Q2 2026 Methanex Corp Earnings Call

July 29, 2026

Speaker #1: Good morning. My name is Angela, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Methanex Corp. Q2 2026 results conference call.

Operator: Good morning. My name is Angela, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to Welcome everyone to the Methanex Corporation Q2 2026 Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference call over to the Vice President, Investor Relations at Methanex, Mr. Robert Winslow. Please go ahead, Mr. Winslow.

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Operator: I would now like to turn the conference call over to the Vice President, Investor Relations at Methanex, Mr. Robert Winslow. Please go ahead, Mr. Winslow.

Speaker #1: Mr. Winslow.

Speaker #2: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Methanex's second quarter 2026 results conference call. Our 2026 second quarter news release, management's discussion and analysis, and financial statements can be accessed through our website at methanex.com.

Robert Winslow: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Methanex's Q2 2026 results conference call. Our 2026 Q2 news release, management's discussion and analysis, and financial statements can be accessed through our website at methanex.com. I would like to remind listeners that our comments today may contain forward-looking information, which by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from actual results. We may also refer to non-GAAP financial measures and ratios, any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP, and are therefore unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies. Any references made on today's call reflect our 63.1% economic interest in the Atlas facility, our 50% economic interest in the Egypt facility, our 50% interest in the Natgasoline facility, and our 60% interest in Waterfront Shipping.

Robert Winslow: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Methanex's Q2 2026 Results Conference Call. Our 2026 Q2 news release, management's discussion and analysis, and financial statements can be accessed through our website at methanex.com. I would like to remind listeners that our comments today may contain forward-looking information, which by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from actual results. We may also refer to non-GAAP financial measures and ratios, any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP, and are therefore unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies. Any references made on today's call reflect our 63.1% economic interest in the Atlas facility, our 50% economic interest in the Egypt facility, our 50% interest in the Natgasoline facility, and our 60% interest in Waterfront Shipping.

Speaker #2: I would like to remind listeners that our comments today may contain forward-looking information. Which by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from actual results.

Speaker #2: We may also refer to non-GAAP financial measures and ratios. These do not have any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP and are therefore unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies.

Speaker #2: Any references made on today's call will affect our 63.1% economic interest in the Atlas facility, our 50% economic interest in the Egypt facility, our 50% interest in the NatGasoline facility, and our 60% interest in Waterfront Shipping.

Speaker #2: To review the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements, and to find definitions and reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures, please refer to our most recent news release MDNA Annual Report and Investor Presentation.

Robert Winslow: To review the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements and to find definitions and reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures, please refer to our most recent news release, MD&A, annual report, and investor presentation, all of which are posted on our website under the Investor Relations tab. I will now turn the call over to Methanex's President and CEO, Mr. Rich Sumner, for his comments, followed by a question and answer period.

Speaker #2: All of which are posted on our website under the Investor Relations tab. I will now turn the call over to Methanex's President and CEO, Mr. Rich Sumner, for his comments, followed by a question-and-answer period.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss our 2nd Quarter 2026 results. Our 2nd Quarter average realized price of $529 per ton and produced sales of approximately $2.2 million tons generated adjusted EBITDA of $577 million and adjusted net income of $300 million.

Rich Sumner: Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss our Q2 2026 results. Our Q2 average realized price of $529 per ton and produced sales of approximately 2.2 million tons generated adjusted EBITDA of $577 million and adjusted net income of $300 million. This adjusted EBITDA, which includes a $12 million accrual for restructuring activities at our Trinidad and Tobago operations, increased versus the Q1 2026, largely due to a higher average realized price driven by the Middle East conflict, combined with continued strong production from our enhanced asset base, particularly in North America. The resulting strong cash flows from operations allowed us to repay the remaining $290 million outstanding on the Term Loan A facility while still ending the period in a strong financial position with more than $380 million of cash on the balance sheet.

Speaker #3: This adjusted EBITDA, which includes a $12 million accrual for restructuring activities at our Trinidad and Tobago operations, increased versus the first quarter of 2026, largely due to a higher average realized price driven by the Middle East conflict, combined with continued strong production from our enhanced asset base.

Speaker #3: Particularly in North America. The resulting strong cash flows from operations allowed us to repay the remaining $290 million outstanding on the term loan A facility while still ending the period in a strong financial position with more than $380 million of cash on the balance sheet.

Speaker #3: The continuing Middle East conflict has resulted in an unprecedented impact on many industries, including methanol. We estimate that 15 to 20 million tons of annualized methanol supply is required to transit the Strait of Hormuz to reach end markets. During the second quarter, we believe some of this supply—mainly from Iran—came to market at significantly reduced volumes, and almost entirely from pre-existing inventories.

Rich Sumner: The continuing Middle East conflict has resulted in an unprecedented impact on many industries, including methanol. We estimate that 15 to 20 million tons of annualized methanol supply is required to transit the Strait of Hormuz to reach end markets. During the Q2, we believe some of this supply, mainly from Iran, came to market at significantly reduced volumes and almost entirely from preexisting inventories. We believe the significant supply gaps created through the Q2 were met with a combination of rapid drawdowns of inventory, primarily in Asia, and through increasing demand rationalization, both Methanol to Olefin demand in China and other demand, particularly in Asia. This situation led to elevated and volatile methanol pricing across the world throughout the Q2.

Speaker #3: We believe the significant supply gaps created through the 2nd Quarter were met with a combination of rapid drawdowns of inventory primarily in Asia and through increasing demand rationalization, both methanol to olefin demand in China and other demand, particularly in Asia.

Speaker #3: This situation led to elevated and volatile methanol pricing across the world throughout the second quarter. There remains significant uncertainty as to the ultimate resolution of the ongoing conflict, and the extent of damage to methanol plants and broader infrastructure is still not clear.

Rich Sumner: There remains significant uncertainty as to the ultimate resolution to the ongoing conflict, and the extent of damage to methanol plants and broader infrastructure is still not clear. As we move into the Q3 under current conditions, the impact of a more prolonged conflict will become even more severe on the methanol industry. We believe the 15 to 20 million tons of production previously mentioned continues to be idle and that pre-conflict inventories are now meaningfully reduced. As a result, we would expect to see even less supply from the Middle East as we move through the Q3, and this, combined with inventory now drawn to very low levels, means we would expect increasing pressure on industry supply to meet ongoing demand.

Speaker #3: As we move into the third quarter under current conditions, the impact of a more prolonged conflict will become even more severe on the methanol industry.

Speaker #3: We believe the 15 to 20 million tons of production previously mentioned continues to be idle, and that pre-conflict inventories are now meaningfully reduced. As a result, we would expect to see even less supply from the Middle East as we move through the 3rd Quarter and this, combined with inventory now drawn to very low levels, means we would expect increasing pressure on industry supply to meet ongoing demand.

Speaker #3: Under current conditions, demand rationalization will increasingly be required until a resolution allowing Middle East production to resume and to reach the market on a more normalized basis is found.

Rich Sumner: Under current conditions, demand rationalization will increasingly be required until a resolution allowing Middle East production to resume and to reach the market on a more normalized basis is found. Turning to our operations in Q2, our total equity methanol production of 2.2 million tons was slightly below Q1 production levels. Starting in North America, we produced a record-high volume during the quarter of 1.6 million tons across Canada and the United States. We produced 1.1 million and 27,000 tons at Geismar, which is also a record level in a quarterly period for that site. We produced 180,000 tons of methanol at the Beaumont plant in Q2, and our equity share of production at the Natgasoline joint venture was 204,000 tons.

Speaker #3: Turning to our operations in the second quarter, our total equity methanol production of 2.2 million tons was slightly below first quarter production levels. Starting in North America, we produced a record high volume during the quarter of 1.6 million tons across Canada and the United States.

Speaker #3: We produced $1.1 million and 27,000 tons at Gizma, which is also a record level in a quarterly period for that site. We produced 180,000 tons of methanol at the Beaumont plant in the second quarter, and our equity share of production at the NatGasoline joint venture was 204,000 tons.

Speaker #3: At Beaumont, we took the plant offline in early June and safely executed a 30-day unplanned outage to repair the cooling tower with the plant restarting in early July.

Rich Sumner: At Beaumont, we took the plant offline in early June and safely executed a 30-day unplanned outage to repair the cooling tower, with the plant restarting in early July. In Chile, we produced 327,000 tons in Q2, utilizing gas supply from Chile and Argentina. As expected, production was lower in Q2 as we shifted to operating one plant midway through the quarter due to the seasonal reduction of gas availability from Argentina during the Southern Hemisphere winter season. In Egypt, our Q2 production was similar to that of Q1, with the plant operating at full rates. The plant continues to operate well today, and we're closely monitoring the supply and demand balances in the country during the summer season when local residential gas demand typically peaks.

Speaker #3: In Chile, we produced 327,000 tons in the second quarter, utilizing gas supply from Chile and Argentina. As expected, production was lower in the second quarter as we shifted to operating one plant midway through the quarter due to the seasonal reduction of gas availability from Argentina during the Southern Hemisphere winter season.

Speaker #3: In Egypt, our second-quarter production was similar to that of the first quarter, with the plant operating at full rates. The plant continues to operate well today, and we're closely monitoring the supply and demand balances in the country during the summer season when local residential gas demand typically peaks.

Speaker #3: In New Zealand, we produced 46,000 tons in the 2nd Quarter, down from the prior Quarter, as we entered into various commercial arrangements to manage and optimize our gas supply entitlements given the meaningful short-term uncertainty and structural challenge in the gas market.

Rich Sumner: In New Zealand, we produced 46,000 tons in Q2, down from the prior quarter as we entered into various commercial arrangements to manage and optimize our gas supply entitlements given the meaningful short-term uncertainty and structural challenge in the gas market. We shut down the plant for May and June and restarted in early July at similar reduced operating rates to Q1. Lastly, on 29 June, we announced the indefinite idling of our Titan plant in Trinidad and Tobago as we were unable to come to terms on a commercially viable natural gas contract. We'll continue to monitor future developments in Trinidad with a view to reassessing conditions over the coming years. I want to thank our excellent team members in the country for their professionalism through a difficult period.

Speaker #3: We shut down the plant for May and June, and restarted in early July at similar reduced operating rates to the 1st Quarter. Lastly, on June 29, we announced the indefinite idling of our Titan plant in Trinidad and Tobago as we were unable to come to terms on a commercially viable natural gas contract.

Speaker #3: We'll continue to monitor future developments in Trinidad with a view to reassessing conditions over the coming years. I want to thank our excellent team members in the country for their professionalism through a difficult period.

Speaker #3: As a result of the commencement of restructuring activities, we recorded a $115 million non-cash after-tax asset impairment charge and a $12 million accrual for restructuring activities.

Rich Sumner: As a result of the commencement of restructuring activities, we recorded a $115 million non-cash after-tax asset impairment charge and a $12 million accrual for restructuring activities. Looking forward, our expected equity production for 2026 is approximately 9 million tons of methanol. Actual production may vary by quarter based on timing of turnarounds, gas availability, unplanned outages, and unanticipated events. Based on July and August contract price postings and assuming market conditions remain consistent in this volatile macro environment, we expect our average realized price range for July and August will be approximately $460 to $485 per ton. Assuming this pricing holds through September and factoring in produced sales volumes similar to those of Q2, we expect another strong quarter of earnings lower than in Q2 due to lower pricing.

Speaker #3: Looking forward, our expected equity production for 2026 is approximately $9 million tons of methanol, actual production may vary by Quarter based on timing of turnarounds, gas availability, unplanned outages, and unanticipated events.

Speaker #3: Based on July and August contract price postings and assuming market conditions remain consistent in this volatile macro environment, we expect our average realized price range for July and August will be approximately $460 to $485 per ton, assuming this pricing holds through September and factoring in produced sales volumes similar to those of the 2nd Quarter we expect another strong Quarter of earnings lower than in the 2nd Quarter due to lower pricing.

Rich Sumner: Our priorities for 2026 are unchanged: to safely and reliably operate our assets and supply chain and to complete the OCI integration plan and realize planned synergies. Now that the $550 million Term Loan A facility has been repaid, we are approaching our initial leverage target of approximately three times adjusted debt to adjusted EBITDA. In this highly uncertain and volatile environment, we will continue to direct the majority of available free cash flow to building cash and reducing debt to move towards our longer-term leverage target range of two to 2.5 times adjusted debt to adjusted EBITDA at mid-cycle pricing. As we make progress towards this goal, we will evaluate directing a modest amount of free cash flow towards share repurchases. We would now be happy to answer questions.

In this highly uncertain and volatile environment, we will continue to direct the majority of available free cash flow to building cash and reducing debt to to move towards our longer term. Leverage target, range of 2 to 2.5 times, adjusted debt to adjusted EA at mid-cycle pricing

As we make progress towards this goal, we will evaluate directing a modest amount of free cash flow towards share repurchases. We would now be happy to answer questions.

Operator: At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star and the number one on your telephone keypad. On today's event, we request everyone to please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up only. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone that to ask a question, please press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. On today's event, we request that everyone please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Thank you.

Ben Isaacson: Thank you very much, and good morning, everyone. I just have one multi-part question, Rich. On the Q4 call, about six months ago, you said that we would not really see much Q1 margin capture of rising spot prices as it related to the start of the war, as you were going to honor contracts and discount rates that had already been negotiated, I think, a few days earlier. The thinking was that if you did not capture margin on the way up, then you would certainly capture it on the way down. I think why the stock is down a bit today is because it appears that that ASP guide that you are giving, it appears to be giving up margin on not just the way up, but the way down as well. Is that the wrong way to think about it?

And your first question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson with kosha bank, your line is now open.

Thank you very much, and good morning, everyone.

Ben Isaacson: Can you remind us how exactly monthly contract prices are set, how those discount rates are set and adhered to? Just a blue sky question, would it not be easier just to charge spot plus say, a fixed premium of whatever the number is, $40 or so, for customer service availability, reliability, et cetera? Thank you.

Uh, I just have one multi-part question, Rich. Uh, on the Q4 call, so about six months ago, you said that we wouldn't really see much, uh, Q1 margin capture of rising spot prices as it related to the start of the war, as you were going to honor contracts and discount rates that had already been negotiated, I think, a few days earlier. So the thinking was that if you didn't have that margin on the way up, then you would certainly capture it on the way down. And I think why the stock is down a bit today is because it appears that the ASP guide that you're giving, um, it appears to be giving up margin on not just the way up, but the way down as well. So is that the wrong way to think about it? And can you remind us how exactly monthly contract prices are set?

Rich Sumner: Yeah. Thanks, Ben. I think, just to answer that question, is it the wrong way to look at it? Maybe partially, but certainly, there's an explanation regarding spot. I think in a rising price environment, what happens is contract prices tend to lag the rising price. Some elements in our contracts have some reference to spot pricing. Some of our regions are more focused towards a spot type of pricing element, Asia being the one that points more towards spot. In a rising spot environment, you will have, I call it a compression. You'll realize more off of the discount in a rising price environment, and in a lower price environment, you'd realize less of that contract price because of those components in our contract.

How does discount rates are set and adhere to and then just a blue sky question, would it not be easier just to charge spot plus say a fixed premium of whatever the number is forty dollars? Or so for uh customer service availability, reliability Etc. Thank you.

Rich Sumner: Right now, when we gave our price guide for Q3, just remembering that from a market perspective, we saw a pretty meaningful impact through. This is a very highly volatile price environment we're in. Through July and August was the period here when we entered, is the period where we had the temporary ceasefire. A lot of product got released in a very short period of time. That's now obviously stopped. That actual volume combined with sentiment meant we saw a pretty big downshift in spot pricing, particularly in Asia, but actually in regions around the world. We effectively put that into our estimates for the quarter to be conservative. That's actually already started to reverse. When we look at our price guide, we're probably already at the top end of the range.

Rising spot environment, you will have a, I'll call it a compression. You'll realize more off of the discount in a rising price environment and a in a lower price environment, you would realize you'd realize less of that contract price because of those components in our in our contract. So, so right now we we we when we gave our price guide for the third quarter, just remembering that from a market perspective, we saw a pretty meaningful impact through. And this is a very high highly, volatile price environment. We're in through July and August, was the period here. When we entered is the period where we had, the temporary ceasefire, um, and a lot of product got released in a very short period of time, that's now obviously stopped that that actual volume combined with sentiment meant. We saw a pretty big uh, downshift in spot pricing, particularly in Asia, but actually in regions around the world. So we had we

Rich Sumner: If market conditions continue, because we don't see supply being released, we would expect things to tighten up and that those realizations would be higher, based on that view. Back to your point about pricing. I think, call it the market principle, has been contract price postings. That's the way the industry prices. Are we always looking the way discounts have gone and the way some of the formulas work? We're always looking at is there a better way to price? As of today, we remain committed to our contract price postings, and that's the way we go to market to customers. Hopefully that answers your question.

Effectively put that into our estimates, for the quarter to be conservative. That's actually already started to reverse. Um, so when we look at our price guide, we're probably already at the top end of the range if market conditions continue because we we do, we don't see Supply being released, we would expect things to tighten up and that those realizations would be higher, uh, based on that view. So so, um, and then back to your point about pricing, you know, the the, I think the, uh,

Call it the market. Um, principal has been contract price proceedings, that's the way the industry prices. Uh, are we always looking the way discounts have gone and the way some of the formulas work, we're always looking at. Is there a better way to price? But, as of today, we we remain committed to our contract Pro, uh, price postings. And that's the way we go to market to customers.

Ben Isaacson: That's great. Yeah. Thanks, Rich. Appreciate it.

Hopefully, that answers your question.

That's great. Yeah. Thanks, Rich. Appreciate it.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Josh Spector with UBS Group. Your line is now open.

Your next question comes from the line of Josh Spectre with UBS Group. Your line is now open.

Josh Spector: Yeah. Hey, good morning. I just wanted to ask on the production guidance, you basically held that constant despite taking down supply. What's the assumption behind that? Are you assuming you could run Americas harder or am I just reading too much into a small change here?

Rich Sumner: Oh, thanks, Josh. Really, when we look at that guide, we are looking at where we are today. Where we are today, we're higher than the guide. We've kind of already accounted for the H2 with Titan now being idled and under the assumption that what we've seen so far and where we're higher is really in Egypt and New Zealand. When we look at the H2 and how things are trending, we think we make up that volume. We're around the 9 million tons and holding to that. I will also say that when we think about the tons, not all tons are created equal when it comes to earnings, right? Taking out Titan is a lot different than having higher Egypt volumes.

Um, so I just wanted to ask on the production guidance. I mean, you basically held that constant despite taking down supply. I mean, what's the assumption behind that? Are you assuming you can run Americas harder or am I just reading too much into a small change here?

No, thanks Josh. Um, really when we look at that guide, we're we're sort of, you know, we we are looking at where we are today and where we are today, we're we're slightly. We're higher than that, um, higher than the guide. And so, we've kind of already accounted for the back, half of the year with with, uh, with Titan. Um, now being idled and under the assumption, that our, what we've seen so far and where we're higher is really in Egypt and New Zealand. Um, and and you know, when we look at the back half of the year and how things are trending, we think we make

Rich Sumner: There's a benefit there certainly in terms of the cost competitiveness of the production that's really running well right now.

Up that volume. So we're around the 9 million tons and holding to that. I will also say that the, you know, when we think about the tons, not all tons are created equal when it comes to earnings, right? And, and, um, you know, taking out Titan is a lot different than having higher Egypt volume. So there's a, there's a benefit there, certainly in in terms of the, uh, cost competitiveness of the production that's really running well, right now.

Josh Spector: Okay. No, that makes sense. I just wanted to follow up on your comments you made around cash deployment and particularly buybacks. I guess we don't know how long higher prices are going to last, but you're clearly generating more cash here. We understand your goal of getting the 2 to 2.5 times, but your stock is very volatile around people's views around war on, war off, and it would seem like you have opportunistic opportunities to maybe deploy some cash there and still have pretty good visibility to getting to your leverage target in 6, 12 months from now. Why not considering doing something earlier? Or is that something that's going through the thought process at all as you look at where your stock is over the next 3 to 6 months?

Rich Sumner: It's certainly going through the thought process right now. We'll make an assessment of where we are against our de-leveraging, what's the forward view of cash generation and where the share price is performing and determining how much goes to share repurchases, and also when we would open up the flexibility to do that. I can say that it is in the thought processes right now.

Okay, that makes sense. And I just wanted to follow up on your comments, you made around cash deployment and and particularly BuyBacks, I guess, you know, we don't know how long higher prices are going to last but I mean you're clearly generating more cash here and I mean, we understand your goal of getting the 2 to 2 and a half times. But your stock is very volatile around people's views around war on war off and it would seem like you have opportunistic opportunities to maybe deploy some cash there and still have pretty good visibility to getting to your leverage Target in 612 months from now. So why not considering do doing something earlier? Or is that something that's going through the thought process at all? As you look at where your stock is over the next 3 to 6 months.

Certainly going through, this is certainly going through the thought process right now. Um, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll make an assessment of where we are against our deleveraging, what's the forward view of cash generation and where the share price is is performing and determining? Uh, how much goes to share repurchases and also when we would open up the flexibility,

To do that. But I can say that it is in the thought processes right now.

Josh Spector: Okay. Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Zacusca with JP Morgan. Your line is now open.

Jeff Zekauskas: Thanks very much. Your cash flows were very strong this quarter, but it's a little difficult to tell if there are taxes that need to be paid or if working capital really needs to move up toward the end of the year. What do you think the relationship between your operating cash flow and your adjusted EBITDA will be this year? What percentage will be operating cash flow, roughly?

Uh, strongest quarter but it's a little difficult to tell.

you know, if there are taxes that need to be paid or if

working capital really needs to move up toward the end of the year. What do you think the relationship between your operating cash flow? And your adjusted ebta will be this year? What what, what? Percentage will be operating cash flow.

Rich Sumner: Yeah. In a normalized environment, we look at our adjusted EBITDA on an annualized basis, and the difference, we would say, is around $500 million between the two. That's our lease payments, our interest, our capital, and cash taxes as well. When it comes to this period, we did have a significant working capital build that was around $150 million, and a lot of that is in our trade receivables. A pretty big chunk of the earnings we saw is captured in AR right now. In an event, if we get back to more normalized prices, we'd expect that those earnings would come through. The longer that that doesn't come through, the more we're earning in terms of higher prices.

Roughly.

Yeah, so when we, um,

Rich Sumner: When it relates to cash taxes, maybe I'll turn it over to Dean Richardson, our CFO, to speak to that.

Dean Richardson: Sure. Good morning, Jeff.

When we look at our adjusted debt in a normalized environment, we look at our adjusted debt and our, our, uh, on an annualized basis. And the difference, we would say, is around $500 million between the two. And that's, that's, uh, our lease payments, our interest, our capital, um, and then cash taxes as well. When it comes to this period, we did have a significant working capital build; that was around $150 million, and a lot of that is in our trade receivables. So you can think of a lot of our, you know, pretty big chunk of, uh, the earnings we saw is captured in our, in, in our right now, and in an event, if we get back to more normalized prices, we'd expect that those earnings would, would, would come through. So the longer that that doesn't come through, the more we're earning in terms of higher prices. Um, and then when it relates to cash taxes, maybe I'll turn it over to Dean Richardson, our CFO, to speak to that.

Jeff Zekauskas: Hi.

Dean Richardson: You're correct that we did accrue cash taxes in the quarter, obviously, given the earnings. You'll see that the cash taxes paid on the cash flow is a modest amount. There is a payable that's been billed. That's part of the build in our accounts payable. You're correct, there is a timing factor there that's already been accounted for. Our guide on taxes remains the same, is that about a 25% tax rate and about 50/50 cash taxes. That's primarily due to in this high-price environment, our US assets are not cash taxable. That's the micro answer. The macro answer, Rich gave it around the relationship between EBITDA and cash flow.

Sure. Good morning Jeff. Um, so you're correct that we did a crew uh, cash taxes in the quarter obviously, given the the earnings. And so you'll see that the cash taxes paid on the cash flow is is a modest amount. And so there there is a payable that's been built. So that's part of the build in our accounts payable. Um so you're correct there is a timing Factor there. That's already been accounted for, it's our guide on taxes Remains the Same as that uh about a 25% uh tax rate in about 5050 uh cash taxes. Um and that's primarily due to the in this high price environment our us assets are are not um cast taxable. So that's the the micro answer the the macro answer, you know, Rich gave it around. Um the relationship between ibida and cash flow.

Jeff Zekauskas: Thanks for that. When the Straits opened up, how much methanol do you estimate came through the Straits? How much have the Chinese increased their methanol production to make up for the tons they're not getting from Iran?

Um, thanks for that. And and when the Straits opened up,

How much methanol do you estimate? Uh, came through the Straits?

And how much have the Chinese increased? Their, um,

Methanol production to make up for the tons. They're not getting from Iran.

Rich Sumner: On the first question, when we think about the Middle East and the 15 to 20 million tons, the big question is sort of how does the market stay in balance there? We think of that amount during Q2. About a third of that was actually released during the quarter. That was Iran coming out at smaller, more reduced volumes throughout the whole Q2, mostly. Then during the period where there was the temporary ceasefire, we saw both Iran and the Saudi volumes being released, Saudi and other non-Iranian volumes being released out of the Gulf. It's about a third total. Determining how much came out during the ceasefire versus is a bit difficult. We do track vessels, and a lot of those will be coming into the market over July and August. It was certainly lumpy during that timeframe.

Yeah. Um, so, on the first question, you know, when we think about the, the Middle East and the 15 to 20 million tons, uh, the big question is sort of how how do we, how does the market stay in Balance? There we think of that amount during the second quarter about a third.

Rich Sumner: Where we go from here, how we also balance was on inventories, both the coastal inventories in China also on demand rationalization. Those levers are going to be hard to replicate because the plants haven't been idle and now inventories are fully drawn. Domestic operating rates in China have been strong, there hasn't been a huge step up of Chinese operating rates. The Chinese market has been somewhat sheltered by MTO shouldering most of the supply issue with Iran. What will happen is as we work through inventories and there's no longer these buffers, it's going to put both all of the MTO coastal demand under pressure and likely start to pressure domestic markets. In a lot of ways, the domestic industry has been sheltered because MTO really takes the brunt of lost Iranian product into the market.

A third of that was was actually released during the quarter. Um and and that was Iran, coming out at smaller, more reduced volumes throughout the whole second quarter. Um, mostly and then during the period where there was the temporary ceasefire, we saw both Iran and the Saudi volumes, uh, being released Saudi and and other non-iranian volumes being released out of the gulf. Um, so it's about a third total determining. How much came out during the ceasefire versus is a bit difficult. So we do track vessels. And a lot of those will be coming into the market over July and August, but it was a, it was a, it certainly lumpy during that, that time frame. Um, you know, H, how we, where we go from here. How we also balance was, was on inventories both, um, the coastal inventories in China and then also on demand rationalization. So, so those left

Jeff Zekauskas: Thanks.

Covers are going to be hard to replicate because the plants haven't been idle. And now uh inventories are fully drawn um domestic operating rates in China have been strong, but there hasn't been a huge step up of of of Chinese. Uh, operating rates, the, the Chinese market has been somewhat sheltered by MTO shouldering, most of the supply issue with Iran. Um and what will happen is as that as we work through inventory is then there's no longer these buffers, you know, it's going to put both uh all of the MTO Coastal demand under pressure and and and likely start to pressure domestic markets. So, in a lot of ways, the domestic industry has been sheltered because MTO uh, really takes the takes the brunt of of lost Iranian product into the, into the market.

Thanks.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Joel Jackson: Good morning. Looking at Beaumont, you took down, I think, the cooling tower. It's back up. I know you talk about maybe being able to make some changes over time at that plant, maybe improving it. Would that be something you have to wait to do a bit later on a turnaround? Or did you be able to do some of the work in the last month or, sorry, in June?

Your next question comes from the line of choel. Jackson with BMO Capital markets. Your line is now open.

Uh, good morning. Um, looking at Bont—you took down, I think, the cooling tower; it's back up. Um, I know you've talked about maybe being able to make some changes, um,

Rich Sumner: Yeah. No, thanks, Joel. Just a reminder maybe about more broadly, both Natgasoline and Beaumont. We're very pleased so far with what we've seen from those assets after a year from the point where we closed the deal. The operating rates we've seen so far have been above where we sort of came out from a deal value perspective. What we've done is deep technical reviews of both the assets, and that's looking at how the assets have run. We look at all of the inspection reports, and then we come up with a list of risks and vulnerabilities. Our goal is to always reduce those down as much as possible through online maintenance, through if we have unplanned maintenance, as well as major turnarounds. Obviously, the most work you can do is during a major turnaround.

Over time at that plant. Uh, maybe improving it. Would that be something you have to wait to do a bit later on a turnaround? Uh, or that you'd be able to do some of the work in the last month or sorry in June.

Yeah, no, thanks Joel. Um,

Rich Sumner: This issue with the cooling tower, we did have as a risk in our risk matrix for the plant. We had had plans to do online maintenance during H2 of the year here, upon further inspection, we saw that the structural damage to the support of the cooling towers was too much. We took an outage. The team executed that within 30 days as planned, safely, and at the same time, we took out other vulnerabilities of the plant. Our goal is to continue to run this reliably and safely and reliably, and we believe we can, on a long-term basis, do that with both of these sites. Now, we are still learning the assets, and if you ask us would we like to have a full turnaround cycle, for sure. We're getting to know these assets really well now.

Just a reminder, maybe about more broadly, you know, both Nat gasoline and an we're we're very pleased so far with what we've seen from those assets after a year from the point where we, uh, we close the deal. Uh, you know, the operating rates we've seen so far have been above where we would have, you know, where we sort of came out from a deal value perspective. Um, this this this what we've done is deep technical reviews, of both the assets and that's looking at how the assets have run. We look at all of the inspections reports and then we we come up with the list of risks and vulnerabilities and our goal is to always reduce those down as much as possible through online maintenance through, if we have unplanned maintenance, as well as major turnarounds, and obviously the most work you can do is during a, a major turnaround.

Rich Sumner: Our goal is to continue to operate at really strong reliability and get the opportunities to reduce risk as much as possible. The next one being the turnarounds, which isn't until the 2028, 2029 timeframe. The team's doing a great job learning the assets and integrating with the teams.

Um this this issue with the cooling tower, we did have as a as a, a risk in our, in our risk Matrix for the plant and we and we had had plans to uh, to do online maintenance during the second half of the Year here. But upon further inspection, we saw that the structural damage to the support of the cooling. Towers was too much. So we took a we took an outage, uh, the team executed that within 30 days, uh, as plants safely and, and at the same time we took out other vulnerabilities of the plant. Um, so our goal is to continue to run this reliably and safely and reliably. Um and we believe we can on a long-term basis to do that. With both of these sites. Now, we are still learning the assets and if you asked us would we like to have a a full turnaround cycle for sure. But we know that we're getting to know these assets really well now and um, you know, our goal is to continue to operate at really strong reliability.

Reliability and then get the opportunities to reduce risk as much as Pro possible. The next 1 being the turn turnarounds, which isn't until the 28th 29th time frame, but the team's done it doing a great job, learning the assets and integrating with the teams

Joel Jackson: Okay, at Geismar, the 3 plants seem to perform really well. You get over 1 million tons in the quarter. You'd never done above 1 million before. Should we be modeling that going forward? You should be above 1 million tons now, ignoring turnarounds or any unplanned outages?

Okay, and then um, a Gwar, the free plan seemed to perform really well, I get over a million tons in the quarter, you never down above million before. Um, should we be modeling that going forward? You should be above a million tons now, uh, ignoring turnarounds or any unplanned outages.

Rich Sumner: I think that's our goal. Our goal is 4 million tons for the plant, and that's considering about a 97% reliability rate. We always do have in between turnaround cycles, there becomes limitations as you get closer to a turnaround that kind of getting to the 4 million tons sometimes that you do dip below that because where you are in catalyst life. Over the average, yeah, the target is to have 4 million tons of production there.

I mean, I I, I think we, we, that's our goal. Our goal is, is 4 million tons for the plants, and that's considering about a 97% reliability, reliability rate. The plants performed we always do have inter in between turnaround Cycles. They're they're becomes limitations as you get closer to a turnaround that makes the night, you know, kind of getting to the 4 million tons. Sometimes that that you do dip below that because you're where you are in Catalyst life but over over the average. Yeah, the the target is, is, is to have 4 million tons of production there.

Joel Jackson: Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Your line is now open.

Your next question comes from the line of Hassan Ahmed with Olympic Global your line is now open.

Hassan Ahmed: Morning, Rich. Rich, wanted to revisit the 15 to 20 million tons of sort of capacity being impacted by the Middle Eastern conflict question again. I understand that you mentioned that almost a third of that was released as Hormuz opened up, and clearly, it seems that these fits and starts will continue. As you sort of cut through the noise, I'm just trying to get a better sense of how much of those 15 to 20 million tons have actually been significantly adversely impacted. Meaning, what percentage of those 15 to 20 million tons will take a while to hit the market, as in when there is peace declaration and Hormuz fully opens up?

Morning Rich. Um, Rich wanted to revisit the 15 to 20 million, uh, tons of um sort of capacity being impacted by the middle eastern conflict question again. Um, you know, I understand that, you know, you mentioned that almost a third of that was released as uh, hormones opened up and, you know, clearly it seems that these fit

And starts will continue, but you know, as you sort of cut through the noise, I'm just trying to get a better sense of—

Rich Sumner: Yeah. Thanks, Hassan. I think when you ask how much of the production is impacted, all of it is. It's all idle. None of it is able to transit. We don't have free navigation flowing in through the Strait of Hormuz now, and all of it has to transit that waterway. We have a long ways to go before we get back to normal here. Really, in my opening remarks, what I was trying to communicate is, what we have is that we did have about a third of that, we would say, came into the market through preexisting inventories. That was what was in storage or in vessels prior to the conflict. We haven't had any production to back that up.

of how much of those 15 to 20 million tons have. Um, have actually been, you know, significantly adversely impacted meaning, you know what percentage of those 15 to 20 million, tons will take a while, uh, to hit the market as, and when, you know, there is peace, declaration and hormones fully opens up.

Um, you know, I think it...

is, it's

Rich Sumner: How the market's really effectively weathered that is by having that be released and then draw inventories through the supply chain. Also, we've seen now demand much lower than what we would expect at this time of year. Typically, you'd have The coastal MTO operating, that's 10 to 11 million tons of demand that would be operating at high rates in a normal year. Last year, we would've seen that operating at 80% to 90% operating rates. It's at 30% to 40%. We've seen demand happening, rationalization in the Middle East, in India, in Southeast Asia, that's making up for a chunk of this. What we're not going to have, we did have this product be released through July and August, that's coming into the market today.

Um, you know, so and none of it is able to Transit, we we don't have, we don't have free navigation flowing in through the straight of hormones. Now, and all of it has to Transit that that uh, that that Waterway. And so we have a, a long ways to go before we get back to, to normal here. And really what, you know, in my opening remarks, what I was trying to to, to communicate is, you know, what we have is that we did have about a third of that. We would say, it came into the market through pre-existing inventories that was, what was in storage or in vessels, uh, prior to the conflict. And then we haven't had any production to back that up. Um, and how the markets really effectively weathered that is by drawing, by having that be released. But and then draw inventories through the supply chain, and also we've seen now, um, demand much lower than what we would expect at this time of year. So,

Typically you'd have, you know, the coastal MTO operating—that's 10 to 11 million tons of demand—that would be operating at high rates in a normal year. So, last year, we would have seen that operating at 80 to 90% operating rates. It's at 30 to 40 thousand. We've seen that demand happening, uh, rationalization in the Middle East, in India, in Southeast Asia, and that's making up for a chunk of this. What we're not going to have—we did have this product be released through July.

Rich Sumner: Once we get through, if we don't see some sort of normalization, once we work through that inventory, we don't have those levers to work with. We've got an issue where you've got to see further demand rationalization and pressure on the industry. Even if we get back to something that's more normal, it is really important that we were able to assess, can they get gas flowing to methanol plants the same way it was? Are methanol plants able to operate at the same rates they were? Is navigation as free flowing as it was prior to the conflict level, given the risks on shipping and the ability for owners, charterers, and insurers to get comfortable with that navigation.

In August, and that's coming into the market today. And once we get through, if we don't see some sort of normalization once we work through that inventory,

Rich Sumner: We're in a situation where we do see some sustained pressure to getting back to something that looks like the world pre this conflict.

you know, we don't have those levers, um, to work with. And so then we've got a an issue where you've got to see further demand, rationalization and pressure on the industry. And, and even if we get back to something that's more normal, it is really important, uh, that, that, you know, we were able to assess can the is gas flowing to methanol plants. The same way. It was our methanol plants able to operate at the same rate. They they were. Um, and is navigation as free flowing as as it was prior to the conflict level, uh, given the risks on shipping and the ability for owners, and charterers, and insurers to get comfortable with with, with that navigation. So, you know it it's it's, it's we're in a situation where here, where we do see some sustained pressure to to getting back to to something that uh that that looks like the world.

Pre, pre, pre, pre, pre. This, this conflict.

Hassan Ahmed: Very helpful, Rich. Again, wanted to dig a bit deeper, probably on the demand side now as well, particularly in light of some of the inventory statements you guys made. You obviously talked about fairly significant drawdowns of inventory in Asia. I'm just trying to get a better sense. Look, no two periods are the same, but if one was to go back to 2003 and the Iraq conflict, it just seemed starting with upstream oil prices, which obviously are quite correlated to methanol prices. Going back to that time period, initially as the conflict subsided, there were steep declines in oil, drawdowns in inventory, a lot of paper selling of oil and in theory, obviously negatively impacting downstream product pricing. All of a sudden, the physical buyers came out and demand picked up. There was major restocking, and pricing went up significantly.

Hassan Ahmed: All of a sudden, the physical buyers came out and demand picked up. There was major restocking, and pricing went up significantly. Again, with that in mind, I'm just trying to get a sense of how critical are inventory levels right now. As you earlier said that pricing even today may be trending to the higher end of the guided to range. If pricing does start ticking up, what potentially could a restock look like?

Very helpful, right? And, and again, wanted to dig a bit deeper, probably on the demand side now as well. You know, particularly in light of some of the inventory question. Uh, uh, statements you guys made, um, you know, you obviously talked about, um, fairly significant drawdowns of inventory in Asia, and I'm just trying to get a better sense. I mean, uh, look, um, you know, no 2 periods are the same, but, you know, if 1 was to go back to 2003 and, and, and, you know, the Iraq conflict, um, you know, it just seemed, you know, starting with Upstream, you know, oil prices, which obviously are quite correlated to to methanol prices, you know, going back to that time period, um, initially as, as sort of um, you know, the conflict subsided, you know, there were steep declines in oil, you know, draw Downs in inventory, a lot of papers selling or sort of oil and in theory obviously negatively impacting uh Downstream product pricing.

Hassan Ahmed: Again, with that in mind, I'm just trying to get a sense of how critical are inventory levels right now. As you earlier said that pricing even today may be trending to the higher end of the guided to range. If pricing does start ticking up, what potentially could a restock look like?

And then, all of a sudden, the physical buyers came out and uh, and you know, demand picked up, there was Major restocking and pricing, uh, went up significantly. So again, with that in mind, I'm just trying to get a sense of how critical our inventory levels right now. Um, you know, as you, you know, earlier said that pricing even today maybe trending to the higher end of the guide to range. So if pricing

Does start ticking up. I mean, you know, what potentially could have restocked looked like

Rich Sumner: Thanks, Hassan. I think you're asking all the right questions. It's really hard for us to formulate firm views because it is such a dynamic environment. For us, we see the methanol side. What we see from methanol is that we think our supply chains have been depleted of inventory pretty meaningfully, especially in Asia. When you look at coastal markets in China, it's now around 500,000 tons. That was 1 million tons draw in a quarter. On an annualized basis, that's a lot. We do think that customer supply chains are really tight. It gets into, well, how is that affecting the downstream? I mentioned there that China has somewhat been sheltered because they've had strong domestic production.

Rich Sumner: That has supported some of the chemical markets like acetic acid and others, where you do have export that has propelled a lot of export manufacturing, which is probably filling some of the traditional chemical value chains, the gaps created by the Middle East supply. How long that lasts and how sustainable that is without price killing off demand further downstream is a big question mark for us. These are the things that we're continually monitoring. One of the things to note for us is that the markets that are most acutely impacted here are the markets that we don't supply because it's where the Middle East is logistically advantaged. It's a lot of India, Southeast Asia, Taiwan. We do think that the longer this goes on, it's going to creep into the markets that we're also in.

Um, and then we, we do think that customer Supply chains are really tight. Um, then it gets into. Well, how is that affecting the downstream? I mentioned there that China has has somewhat been sheltered, because they've had strong domestic production that has supported, um, some of the chemical, uh, markets, like, acetic acid and others where you do have export that has has propelled a lot of export manufacturing, which is probably filling some of the, the traditional, uh, traditional chemical value. Chains, the gaps created in by the Middle East Supply, how long that lasts, and how sustainable that is, without price killing off demand. Further Downstream is a big question, mark for us. So, these are the things that we're continually monitoring Now. 1 of the things to note for us is that the markets that are most acutely impacted here. Are the markets that we don't, we don't Supply because it's where the Middle East is logistically advantage.

Rich Sumner: We're paying really close attention to that with our customers as well. Again, price is usually the one that kills it off. That also gets into higher pricing down the value chain and inflationary pressures. What does that do to long-term demand risks? That's why we're navigating this current market really carefully and carefully monitoring this situation.

So, it's a lot of India, it's Southeast Asia, it's Taiwan. But I do—we do think that the longer this goes on, it's going to creep into the markets that we're also in. And so, we're paying really close attention to that with our customers as well. But again, price is usually the one that kills it off, and then that also gets into, you know, higher pricing down the value chain and inflationary pressures. And what does that do to long-term demand risks? And that's why we're navigating this current—

Hassan Ahmed: Very helpful, Rich. Thank you so much.

Current market really, really, uh, carefully and, and uh, you know, and carefully monitoring this situation. So,

very helpful, rich. Thank you so much.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Nelson Ng with RBC Capital. Your line is now open.

Nelson Ng: Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just on shipping costs, I think the disclosure was higher logistics and other costs in Q2 compared to Q1 reduced EBITDA by about, I think, $18 million. Can you just provide a bit of color in terms of whether the majority of that was mainly higher shipping costs? Within shipping costs, is it just higher fuel costs, like longer shipping routes-

Your next question comes from the line of Nelson Ng with RBC Capital. Your line is now open.

Great, thanks. And good morning, everyone. Just on shipping costs, I think that disclosure was higher logistics and other costs in Q2.

Compared to q1 uh reduced EBA by about, I think 18 million. Um, can you just provide a bit of color in terms of whether the majority of that was mainly higher shipping costs?

Rich Sumner: Yeah

Nelson Ng: Insurance or other factors?

Rich Sumner: Yeah, no. Thanks, Nelson. Yeah, when we're looking at our shipping costs today, I think we're in a very different environment on the supply chain than what we would've expected coming into this year. It's affecting both the fuel cost, because we saw bunker costs go up by about 40% during the quarter or over this last five-month period. The other thing that is happening is, in a normal environment, you see a much lower spot vessel market. The spot pricing for spot vessels has gone up significantly, and there's far less backhaul opportunity as refiners are limiting export or unable to get the crew they need to produce or limiting exports.

And within shipping costs like, is it just higher fuel costs, uh, like longer shipping routes insurance or or other factors?

Yeah, no thanks Nelson. Um, yeah, when we, when we're looking at our shipping, uh, costs? Today, I I think we're, we're in a very different, um, environment on on the supply chain, than what we would have expected coming into this year, and it's to it's affecting both the fuel costs because we saw bunker costs go up by about 40% during the quarter or over this last 5 month period. The other thing, uh, that is is happening, is, you know, in a normal environment. Um, you see a much lower spot vessel market so it was a spot price.

Rich Sumner: What that means is a far less optimal fleet, both from a shipping cost as well as the, I'm going to call it the miles per ton of methanol, because we're having more shipping days for the methanol that we're moving around the world. We're avoiding any spot exposure from a cost perspective. Those two factors are probably causing $30 to $40 million versus our, call it our run rate or plan for the year. All of that would actually normalize and go away in a different market, in a different pricing scenario. Part of the price uplift we're getting is coming with a less optimized fleet, which we're carefully managing. We saw about $18 million come through in Q2.

Pricing for for spot vessels has gone up significantly, and there's far less. Uh backhaul opportunity as refiners are are are limiting export or unable to get the crude they need to to to produce or limiting exports. And so what that means is a is a far less optimal Fleet. Uh, both from a shipping cost as well as the the I'm going to call it the uh miles per ton of methanol because we're carry, we're we're having more ship shipping days. Uh, for the month methanol, uh, that we're moving around the world and we're avoiding, uh, any any spot exposure from a cost perspective. So those 2 factors are probably causing 30 to 40 million dollars versus our call at our run rate or plan for the year. All of that would would actually would would normalize and go away in a different in a different, uh, in a different Market, in a different pricing scenario.

Rich Sumner: We would expect that we'll continue to have some increasing costs as we move into Q3 because of the lag impact on inventory and how that works through our shipping actually gets kind of attached to the inventory and flows on a lag basis.

Nelson Ng: Okay. Got it. Just can you remind me, what portion of your product do you transport with your own ships versus using spot?

So part of the price uplift we're getting is coming with a with a less optimized Fleet which we're carefully managing. Uh we saw about 18 million come through in Q2. We would expect that. It the we will we'll continue to have some increase in costs as we move into Q3 because of the lag impact on on inventory and how that works through our, our shipping actually gets kind of attached to the inventory and flows on a lag basis.

Rich Sumner: Yeah.

Nelson Ng: Is it pretty much the vast majority?

Rich Sumner: The vast majority is our time charter. Think 80%. In a normal environment, 80% is time charter and about 10% to 20% is going to be COA and spot. In this environment, normally we'd be doing backhaul and efficiently managing fleet. Without backhaul, we use our time charters to solely move our product. We're more towards 100% basis right now, because that's the most efficient way with lack of opportunity and the high cost in the system. We're trying to optimize around that, but today, we have zero spot exposure effectively because we're managing around that.

Okay, got it. And then, just can you remind me, what portion of your product do you transport with your own ships versus, uh, using spot? Is it pretty much the vast majority?

Nelson Ng: Okay. Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

In this environment, we're be normally we would be doing back call and and efficiently managing Fleet without back call, we shift away from, we use our time, Charters to, to solely, move our product. So we're more towards a 100% basis right now, uh, because that's the most efficient way uh with lack of opportunity and the high cost in the system. So so we're trying to optimize around that. But today, it's, we have zero spot exposure effectively because we're managing around that.

Okay, got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Your next question comes from the line of Lawrence Alexander with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Laurence Alexander: Good morning. Two related questions on the demand side. One is, could you be a little bit more granular about where you're seeing demand shaking out this year by the key end markets? I guess, can you clarify to what extent your visibility on the degree to which demand is getting pushed back, or are you hearing from the downstream chain significant efforts to shift or substitute away or just outright demand destruction? Just trying to get your sense for how much visibility, if any, you've been able to get over the last few months.

Good morning. Two related questions on the demand side. One is, could you be a little bit more granular about where you're seeing demand shaking out this year by the key end markets? And I guess, can you clarify to what extent you have visibility on the degree to which demand is getting pushed back? Or are you hearing from the downstream chain significant efforts to shift or substitute away, or just outright demand destruction? Just trying to get your sense for how much visibility, if any.

Rich Sumner: Yeah. Thanks, Laurence. Maybe just to kind of put it into perspective, on a yearly basis, again, it's 100 million tons. 60% of demand in China, 20% to 25% is in Asia, ex-China, and 15% to 20% is in the Atlantic regions. What we've seen today is probably, in estimate, we're operating 5% to 10% lower demand today than what we would normally expect at this time of year. That's MTO operating at probably 5 million tons lower demand on an annualized basis than what we would expect. Then there's probably another kind of 3 million tons-ish of demand between Middle East, like MTBE. They've got MTBE production there. They've got some acetic acid production there. That's not operating. The market in India has been impacted, the market in Southeast Asia. Those, we would say, is probably about 5% to 10% lower, and particularly in those markets.

You've been able to get over the last few months.

Uh thanks Lawrence. Um maybe just uh to to kind of put it into perspective like uh on a yearly basis. Again, it's a 100 million tons 60% of demand in China, 20 to 25% is in Asia ex-china and and they're 15 to 20 is in the Atlantic regions. Um, what we've seen today is probably, you know, in estimate. We're at 5, we're we're operating 5 to 10% lower demand today than what we would normally.

Rich Sumner: When we look at outside of, in the other applications, when we think about formaldehyde is very much a regional type of demand. Housing has not been particularly strong. It's stable off of a low base. Some of the other applications I was talking about earlier is like acetic acid, silicones, some of the more downstream products that you do see being exported further down the value chain. What we think is happening is the pressure has been somewhat dealt with by China continuing to operate and exporting out, and that's helping that value chain by solving that. Solving some of the supply. How much of this is real demand destruction remains to be seen, and we haven't seen it trigger huge uptick in acetic acid pricing and VAM pricing and others.

Expect in this this time of year and that's MTO operating at, you know, probably 5 million tons lower Demand on an annualized basis than what we would expect. And then there's probably another kind of 3 million. Tons is of demand between Middle East, uh, like MTB, they've got MTB production there, they've got some acetic acid production there. That's not operating. The the market in India has been impacted the market in Southeast Asia. So, so those we, we would say is probably about about, you know, 5 to 10% lower. Um, and in particularly in those markets. Now, when we look at outside of, you know, in the other applications when we think about

Um, for Malahide is a, is a, is a very much, a regional type of demand housing has not been particularly strong. It's it's stable off of a low base. Um, some of the other applications I was talking about earlier is is um like acetic acid silicone some of the more Downstream products that you do see being exported further down the value chain. What we think is happening is the pressure has been somewhat dealt with by China, continuing to operate and being and exporting out. Um, and that's helping that value Chain by solving, that, that's solving some of the supply. How much of this is real, demand. Destruction is remains to be seen and it hasn't. We haven't seen it trigger.

Rich Sumner: We're waiting to see how this responds, because if it does lead to ultimately a destruction further down the chain, you would expect to see pricing increasing to higher levels there. We're monitoring all of it. I think as we progress here, we'll get increasing visibility, both methanol as well as further down the chain.

Laurence Alexander: Thank you.

Huge uptick in acetic acid pricing, and Van pricing and others. So we're waiting to see how this responds because if it does lead to uh ultimately uh uh destruction further down the chain, you would expect to see pricing increasing to to higher levels uh there. So we're monitoring all of it. Um I think as we progress here we'll get a bit. We'll get increasing visibility. Uh both methanol as well as further down the chain.

Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair with TPH. Your line is now open.

Matthew Blair: Thank you, and good morning. Rich, do you think the Iranian methanol supply has been structurally impaired going forward? If so, would that come from hits to the South Pars gas field in Iran, or actual damage to any Iranian methanol plants?

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair with TPH. Your line is now open.

Rich Sumner: Well, thanks, Matthew. It's still unclear today around what damage may exist. I think we haven't heard any reports that lead us to believe the actual methanol plants have been damaged. We have heard reports about the South Pars field, and we have heard that the gas processing from those fields could be limited. It's really hard to know, because we obviously don't have direct access to information. We've never seen a period where anything could operate stably through the last five months. It's hard for us to know. We will be looking really closely as soon as possible. If the gas fields are impacted or gas processing, of course, then it gets into how are you prioritizing your gas and where does methanol fit. We do think that methanol is obviously going to be deprioritized relative to residential demand, et cetera.

Uh thank you and good morning. Um, Rich, do you think that Iranian methanol supply has been structurally impaired going forward and and if so would that come from uh you know, hits to like the South car's gas field in Iran uh or uh or or actual damage to any Iranian methanol plants.

Uh, thanks Matthew. Uh, we we it's still unclear today, uh, around around what damage may exist? I think we haven't heard

Reports about the South Paris field, and we have heard that the gas processing from those fields could be limited.

Um, it's really hard to know because we obviously don't have, you know, direct access to information, and we've never... we've never seen a period where—

Rich Sumner: That's always been the case when gas isn't operating or there's peak demand residentially, that gets prioritized. This is a big risk in the ability for supply to continue to meet demand. The other big thing, obviously, is navigation and getting that reestablished. As of today, we don't have visibility or information that confirms any long-term damage.

Anything could operate St stably through through the last 5 months. So it's it's hard for us to know, you know, we we, we, we will be looking really closely, um, as soon as possible. And when, if, if the gas fields are, are impacted or gas processing, of course, then it gets into into how you prioritizing your gas and where does methanol fit. And we do think that, you know, methanol is obviously going to be deep, prioritized relative to residential demand, Etc. And that's always been the case when gas is an operating or, or there's Peak demand residentially that gets prioritized. So, it's a, it's a very, um, you know, this is a big risk in the ability for for, for Supply to continue to to meet demand. The other big thing, obviously, is navigation and and getting that reestablished, but as of today, we don't have, uh, we don't have visibility or or information that confirms any long-term damage.

Matthew Blair: Sounds good. I think it's interesting that Methanex itself has built inventory each of the past two quarters despite a very favorable methanol price environment. Should we think about that as preparation for upcoming turnarounds in H2, or is that just kind of normal course of business? Ultimately, would you expect to draw down some of that inventory in H2?

Rich Sumner: Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into that. I would say that in this environment, we have seen customers being very cautious and especially when on sentiment. If they see an upward pricing pressure that may stabilize, we will probably see them destocking and running low inventories and buying as little as possible until there's a more normal. I think the world is waiting for a more normal environment. Just small changes in our sales projections can lead to a bit of a build in inventory. I wouldn't read a lot into that. You would expect those things to reverse over time, but I wouldn't read a lot into that build.

Sounds good. Um, and then I think it's interesting that Methanex itself has built inventory each of the past two quarters, you know, despite a very favorable methanol price environment. Um, should we think about that as preparation for upcoming turnarounds in the back half of the year, or is that just kind of normal course of business? And ultimately, would you expect to draw down some of that inventory in the back half of the year?

Yeah, I I I I I wouldn't read too much into that. I would, I would say that in this environment, we have seen customers being very cautious. And, and especially when on sentiment, uh, you know, if they see a an upward pricing pressure that may stabilize we'll probably see them destocking and being, and running low inventories and buying as little as possible, until there's a more normal and I think the world is waiting for a more normal environment. So just small changes in our sales, uh, projections can lead to a bit of a build in inventory, but I wouldn't read read a lot into that. Um, you know, you would expect those things to to reverse over time. But uh, I wouldn't read a lot into that that build

Matthew Blair: Great. Thank you.

Great. Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hamir Patel: Hi, good morning. Rich, with your current customer commitments and the different demand destruction that you're seeing out there, how do you think about, for the remainder of the year, your geographic sales mix? Just thinking about that slide you show that shows the different regions and how you might look to optimize that for the rest of the year.

Your next question comes from the line of hamir Patel with CIBC Capital markets. Your line is now open.

Rich Sumner: Well, thanks, Hamir. We would stick to that guidance, probably on the low end from a China perspective. We're going to be within the range certainly. With lower Trinidad now, we would expect China would be lower. We'd be selling less there. Probably the proportionality is leaning less to China and more to markets outside of China, which obviously has a benefit from an overall ARP.

Hi, uh, good morning, Rich. With your current, uh, customer commitments and the, you know, different demand destruction that you're seeing out there, how do you think about, uh, for the remainder of the year, your geographic sales mix? Uh, just thinking about that slide you show that shows the different regions and, um, you know, how you might look to optimize that for the rest of the year.

Thanks Hammer. Uh, we're we're we're kind of we would stick to that guidance. Probably on the low end in in the on from a China perspective. Um, but we're going to be within the range, uh, certainly, you know, with lower with lower Trinidad Trinidad. Now, you know, we would expect China, it would be would be lower, we'd be selling less there. So, probably the proportionality is leaning less to China and more to markets outside of China, which obviously has a a benefit from an overall arp.

Hamir Patel: Great. Thanks, Rich. Just the last question I had. Earlier on a shipping question, I think you mentioned sort of $30 to 40 million headwinds you're seeing this year. You had $18 million in Q1. Should we expect most of that remainder to show up in. Sorry, the $18 million in Q2, the remainder in Q3?

Rich Sumner: Yeah. I just want to clarify, that's $30 to 40 million a quarter. It's significant in terms of the fuel, 40% increase in bunker charge and then the sub-optimization overall in the fleet. Something we're very carefully managing. Yeah, about half of that came through. I'm just ballparking, half came through in Q2, and the other half would be coming through in. I'm quoting the $30 to 40 million against our run rate or our plan, which is way far less optimized today because of fuel and fleet. Yeah, half through Q2 and then the other half through Q3. Once we're there, we're kind of seeing that running through the system. If things normalize, we would expect to see the benefit coming through lower shipping costs in future quarters.

It's a great. Uh, thanks Richard. And just the last question I had, uh, earlier on, on a shipping question, I think you mentioned, uh, sort of 30 to 40 million headwinds. You're seeing this year, you you uh, had 18 million in q1. Uh, should we expect most of that remainder to show up, uh, in, um, uh, sorry the 18 million in Q2 the remainder in Q3.

Hamir Patel: Okay, great. Thanks, Tully Haddell. I'll turn it over.

We would expect to see the benefit, uh, coming through lower shipping costs and future course.

Okay, great. Uh, thanks. That's all I had. I'll turn it over.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ahmed Abdullah with National Bank of Canada. Your line is now open.

Ahmed Abdullah: Yeah, thanks for taking my question. Just on the Trinidad idling process, beyond the $12 million restructuring costs, are there any ongoing other cash costs or closure expenditures that you anticipate in Q3?

Your next question comes from the line of Ahmed Abdullah with National Bank of Canada. Your line is now open.

Trinidad, idling process beyond the 12 million restructuring costs. Are there any ongoing other cash costs or closure expenditures that you anticipate in Q3?

Rich Sumner: No, no, there won't be. Obviously, we still have our team there. We're going through a restructuring planning activity right now to ultimately determine what the existing or the remaining preservation team will look like. Those would be costs that would continue to be incurred in our system, but wouldn't be very material.

No, no there's there won't be obviously we still have a a we still have our, our team there. Uh, we're going through uh uh uh we're going through a restructuring planning activity right now, to ultimately determine what uh, the the existing or the remaining preservation team will look like uh and those would be costs, that would be continued to be incurred in our system, but wouldn't be uh wouldn't be very material.

Ahmed Abdullah: Okay, that's fair. Just touching on the acquired assets and given their strong performance, you mentioned that you're on track to realize the synergies. Is there an opportunity that perhaps you exceed your original targets for the acquired assets in terms of synergies?

Rich Sumner: I think maybe just to put it in terms of some of the buckets here, we came out with $30 million of hard synergies. We've realized some of those, so we're running lower costs in certain areas. This year, though, we're running higher costs to try to tease out those synergies by the end of the year. We're very much on track for the $30 million in hard synergies by the end of the year, and the team is doing an outstanding job progressing that. In terms of the other, what I would call them deal value, because we did make some assumptions on deal value, and I would put those in controllable and uncontrollable. The controllable variables are the asset performance and capital deployment. Both in terms of how the assets have performed and how much capital we're deploying against those assets.

Okay, that's fair. And just uh, touching on the acquired assets and given their strong performance, um, you mentioned that you were on track to realize the synergies. Is there an opportunity that perhaps you exceed your original targets? Uh, for the acquired Assets in terms of synergies?

Rich Sumner: We're doing much better than what we showed on the deal value take or the assumptions around the deal. Then the uncontrollable are the natural gas market and the methanol pricing market. Natural gas costs in North America have continued to be very competitively priced and priced lower than the $3.50 MMBtu that we assumed on deal value. Then, of course, methanol prices have far exceeded, kind of the $350 run rate numbers that we put out. Across all the elements, the transaction is obviously performing extremely well, and it also shows the benefit of having fixed costs because all the uplift on price goes to earnings and cash flows. Those are the elements, and our job today is to control the controllables and continue to deliver on the integration, on the synergies, as well as maintaining safe, reliable operations of the assets.

Yeah I think um maybe just to put it in terms of uh like kind of some of the buckets here. We we came out with 30 million of heart synergies. Uh We've realized some of those so we running lower cost in certain areas this year though, we're running higher cost uh to try to tease out those synergies by the end of the year. So we're very much on track for the 30 million in Heart synergies by the end of the year, and the team is doing an outstanding job, progressing. That, in terms of the other, what we call, uh, I would call them deal value, uh, because we did make some some assumptions on, on Deal value. And, and the and I will put those in controllable. And, and, and uncontrollable the controllable variables are the asset performance and capital deployment, um, and both in terms of how the assets have performed and how much Capital we're deploying against those assets. We're, you know, we're we're, we're, we're, we're doing much better than than what we took.

What we showed on the deal, value date, or the uh, assumptions around the deal. And then the uncontrollable are the natural gas market and the methanol pricing market and natural gas costs in North. America have continued to be very competitively priced and price lower than the 3.50 cents mmbtu that we assumed on Deal value. Um, and then, of course, methanol prices have been have far exceeded, you know, kind of the 350 run rate.

Numbers that we, we put out. So across all the elements, the, uh, the the the transaction is obviously performing extremely well. Um, and it also shows the benefit of having, you know, fixed cost because all the uplift on price goes goes to, uh, earnings and cash flows. So, but those are the elements and, and today, you know, our job today is to control the controllables and continue to deliver, uh, on the, on the integration on the synergies, as well as, uh, maintaining safe, reliable operations of the assets.

Ahmed Abdullah: Okay, thank you. That's very helpful. I'll pass the line.

Okay, thank you. That's very helpful. I'll pass the line.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Roger Spitz with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Roger Spitz: Thank you. Good morning. On Trinidad natural gas contracts, can you speak to why you were unable to agree on a new supply contract? How was Titan not contributing EBITDA or free cash flow in Q2?

Your next question comes from the line of Rogers Bits with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Rich Sumner: Yeah. When we look at the way that the gas contract prices, the big reason why we idled, just to be clear, is the fact that we were unable to negotiate a future gas contract and that gas contract was coming to an end. We did wind up terminating a gas contract earlier by a few months because we'd lived up to our contractual obligations. As it relates to the actual economics, the pricing under the gas contract is such that it's linked to methanol prices. Those methanol prices are linked to different regions around the world. When we assess that gas price against where Trinidad fits into our supply chain, we weren't making money on it from that perspective.

Thank you. Uh, good morning. On Trinidad natural gas contracts, can you speak to why you were unable to agree on a new supply contract? How was Titan not contributing, even though our free cash flow was up in the second quarter?

yeah, I I think um,

So when we look at, uh, the way that the gas contract prices um and and you know, the big, the big reason why we idled uh just just to be clear is, is is the fact that we were unable to negotiate a future gas contract, and that gas contract was coming to an end. So we did wind up. Uh, we did wind up, um, you know, uh, terminating

Rich Sumner: Those methanol prices are linked to different regions around the world. When we assess that gas price against where Trinidad fits into our supply chain, we weren't making money on it from that perspective. We were talking about a gas contract that was going to be probably less favorable than the one we had at that point. We took the decision to idle the plant.

A gas contract earlier, uh, by a few months, um, because we'd lived up to our contractual obligations. Um, as it relates to the actual economics, the pricing under the gas contract is such that it's linked to methanol prices. Those methanol prices are linked to, uh, different regions around the world. And then when we assess that gas price,

Rich Sumner: We were talking about a gas contract that was going to be probably less favorable than the one we had at that point. We took the decision to idle the plant.

On the on on on it from a from from that perspective. And the fact that we were able to you know, we were we were talking about a gas contract that was was going to be probably less favorable than the 1. We had at that point and so we took the decision to to idle idle the plant.

Roger Spitz: Last, on the 5.125% of 2027, they go current 15 October. What is your thought on refi timing or, given methanol price levels, maybe you think about just outright repaying the debt?

Rich Sumner: Yeah, I'll turn that over to Dean.

Got it. And then last on the $500 million and an ace of $27 million, they go current October 15th. Uh, what is your thought on refi timing, or given nothing—at all price levels—maybe you think about just outright repaying the debt?

Dean Richardson: Yeah, Roger, you're correct. We have lots of options with regards to that in terms of as we build cash, our intentions to deploy it. We haven't made a final determination as to early repayment or that, we have lots of options that we're working through right now.

Roger Spitz: Thank you very much.

Yeah, I'll I'll, uh, I'll turn that over to to Dean. Yeah, Roger. Um, you're correct. Uh, we have lots of options with regards to that in terms of, uh, as we build cache our intentions to, to deploy it. So we haven't made a final determination as to early repayment or or or that but we have lots of options uh that we're working through right now.

Thank you very much.

Operator: Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Rich Sumner.

Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star and the number 1 on your telephone keypad.

Rich Sumner: All right. Well, thank you for your questions and interest in our company. We hope you'll join us in October when we update you on our Q3 results.

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Rich Sumner.

All right. Well, thank you for your questions and interest in our company. We hope you'll join us in October, when we update you on our third quarter results.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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