Q2 2026 CTO Realty Growth Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Hello and welcome to the CTO Realty Growth Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Jenna McKinney, Director of Finance. Please go ahead.
Operator: Hello and welcome to the CTO Realty Growth Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Jenna McKinney, Director of Finance. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press *11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised.
Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, please press *11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Jenna McKinney, Director of Finance.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for the CTO Realty Growth Q2, 2026 operating results conference call. Participating on the call this morning are John Albright, President and Chief Executive Officer; Philip Mays, Chief Financial Officer; and other members of the executive team that will be available to answer questions during the call.
Jenna McKinney: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for the CTO Realty Growth Q2 2026 Operating Results Conference Call. Participating on the call this morning are John Albright, President and Chief Executive Officer, Philip Mays, Chief Financial Officer, and other members of the executive team that will be available to answer questions during the call. I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements. We undertake no duty to update these statements. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are discussed from time to time in greater detail in the company's Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings.
Jenna McKinney: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for the CTO Realty Growth Q2 2026 Operating Results Conference Call. Participating on the call this morning are John Albright, President and Chief Executive Officer, Philip Mays, Chief Financial Officer, and other members of the executive team that will be available to answer questions during the call. I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements. We undertake no duty to update these statements. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are discussed from time to time in greater detail in the company's Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings.
Speaker #2: I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements, and we undertake no duty to update these statements.
Speaker #2: Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are discussed from time to time, in greater detail, in the company's Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other SEC filings.
Speaker #2: You can find our SEC reports, earnings release, supplemental, and most recent investor presentation on our website at ctorealty.com. With that, I will turn the call over to John.
Jenna McKinney: You can find our SEC reports, earnings release supplemental, and most recent investor presentation on our website at ctoreit.com. With that, I will turn the call over to John.
Jenna McKinney: You can find our SEC reports, earnings release supplemental, and most recent investor presentation on our website at ctoreit.com. With that, I will turn the call over to John.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Jenna, and good morning, everyone. Our strategy of owning and operating high-quality shopping centers and high-growth markets complemented by our structured investments continues to produce results across all areas of our business.
John P. Albright: Thanks, Jenna. Good morning, everyone. Our strategy of owning and operating high-quality shopping centers in high-growth markets, complemented by our structured investments, continues to produce results across all areas of our business. For the quarter, we again delivered strong results driven by robust same-property NOI growth, healthy leasing, and $153 million of investments at a weighted average initial yield of 10.2%. Starting with leasing, during the quarter, we executed 25 new leases, renewals, and extensions totaling 213,000 square feet, including 184,000 square feet of comparable leases at a positive cash rent spread of 6%. Year to date, we have now completed 366,000 square feet of leasing, including 330,000 square feet of comparable leases at a cash rent spread of 10%.
John Albright: Thanks, Jenna. Good morning, everyone. Our strategy of owning and operating high-quality shopping centers in high-growth markets, complemented by our structured investments, continues to produce results across all areas of our business. For the quarter, we again delivered strong results driven by robust same-property NOI growth, healthy leasing, and $153 million of investments at a weighted average initial yield of 10.2%. Starting with leasing, during the quarter, we executed 25 new leases, renewals, and extensions totaling 213,000 square feet, including 184,000 square feet of comparable leases at a positive cash rent spread of 6%. Year to date, we have now completed 366,000 square feet of leasing, including 330,000 square feet of comparable leases at a cash rent spread of 10%.
Speaker #3: For the quarter, we again delivered strong results driven by robust same-property NOI growth, healthy leasing, and 153 million dollars of investments that a weighted average initial yield of 10.2%.
Speaker #3: Starting with leasing, during the quarter, we executed 25 new leases, renewals, and extensions, totaling 213,000 square feet. Including 184,000 square feet of comparable leases at a positive cash rent spread of 6%.
Speaker #3: Year to date, we have now completed 366,000 square feet of leasing, including 330,000 square feet of comparable leases at a cash rent spread of 10%.
Speaker #3: Leases signed during the quarter include Cooper's Hawk and AltParcel Development at Ashley Park, and Party Barn Kids at Millennia Crossing, which is in front of the mall Millennia in Orlando.
John P. Albright: Leases signed during the quarter include Cooper's Hawk, an outparcel development at Ashley Park, and Pottery Barn Kids at Millenia Crossing, which is in front of The Mall at Millenia in Orlando. Reflecting this leasing momentum, at quarter end, our total portfolio was 95.4% leased, up 150 basis points from a year ago. The current spread between leased and occupied rates is 400 basis points. Our signed not open pipeline is 6.3 million, representing approximately 5.8% of in-place annual cash base rent. We believe this provides a meaningful and visible earnings tailwind, as these tenants are expected to take possession and commence paying rent through the balance of 2026 and into 2027. One final leasing note: The Cheesecake Factory recently opened its nearly 7,000 square feet of restaurant space at The Collection at Forsyth in Georgia on 21 July.
John Albright: Leases signed during the quarter include Cooper's Hawk, an outparcel development at Ashley Park, and Pottery Barn Kids at Millenia Crossing, which is in front of The Mall at Millenia in Orlando. Reflecting this leasing momentum, at quarter end, our total portfolio was 95.4% leased, up 150 basis points from a year ago. The current spread between leased and occupied rates is 400 basis points. Our signed not open pipeline is 6.3 million, representing approximately 5.8% of in-place annual cash base rent. We believe this provides a meaningful and visible earnings tailwind, as these tenants are expected to take possession and commence paying rent through the balance of 2026 and into 2027. One final leasing note: The Cheesecake Factory recently opened its nearly 7,000 square feet of restaurant space at The Collection at Forsyth in Georgia on 21 July.
Speaker #3: Reflecting this leasing momentum, at quarter-end, our total portfolio was 95.4% leased, up 150 basis points from a year ago. The current spread between leased and occupied rates is 400 basis points, and our signed-not-opened pipeline is 6.3 million, representing approximately 5.8% of in-place annual cash base rent.
Speaker #3: We believe this provides a meaningful and visible earnings tailwind, as these tenants are expected to take possession and commence paying rent through the balance of 2026 and into 2027.
Speaker #3: One final leasing note: The Cheesecake Factory recently opened its nearly 7,000 square feet of restaurant space at The Collection at Forsyth in Georgia on July 21.
Speaker #3: The opening was highly successful, and the shopping center continues to strengthen its position as a vibrant focal point in Atlanta's most affluent suburb. In addition, demand for the center's 10-acre AltParcel remains strong, and we are in active lease negotiations with an anchor tenant to take possession.
John P. Albright: The opening was highly successful. The shopping center continues to strengthen its position as a vibrant focal point in Atlanta's most affluent suburb. In addition, demand for the center's 10-acre outparcel remains strong, and we are in active lease negotiations with an anchor tenant to take possession. Also reflecting the strength of our operating performance, same-property NOI for our shopping centers increased 10.1% for the quarter compared to the prior year period. This growth continues to be driven by leasing activity across our portfolio, including the anchor backfills that have commenced paying rent. Phil will provide additional details on same-property NOI shortly. Moving to investment activity, during the quarter, we acquired Gallery on the Parkway, a 152,000 square foot open-air retail power center in Dallas, Texas, for $53.3 million. The center is fully occupied and anchored by DICK'S House of Sport, Nordstrom Rack, Cost Plus World Market, and Portillo's.
John Albright: The opening was highly successful. The shopping center continues to strengthen its position as a vibrant focal point in Atlanta's most affluent suburb. In addition, demand for the center's 10-acre outparcel remains strong, and we are in active lease negotiations with an anchor tenant to take possession. Also reflecting the strength of our operating performance, same-property NOI for our shopping centers increased 10.1% for the quarter compared to the prior year period. This growth continues to be driven by leasing activity across our portfolio, including the anchor backfills that have commenced paying rent. Phil will provide additional details on same-property NOI shortly. Moving to investment activity, during the quarter, we acquired Gallery on the Parkway, a 152,000 square foot open-air retail power center in Dallas, Texas, for $53.3 million. The center is fully occupied and anchored by DICK'S House of Sport, Nordstrom Rack, Cost Plus World Market, and Portillo's.
Speaker #3: Also reflecting the strength of our operating performance, same-property NOI for our shopping centers increased 10.1% for the quarter compared to the prior year period.
Speaker #3: This growth continues to be driven by the leasing activity across our portfolio, including the anchor backfills that have commenced paying rent. Phil will provide additional details on same-property NOI shortly.
Speaker #3: Moving to investment activity, during the quarter, we acquired Gallery on the Parkway, 152,000 square foot, open-air retail power center in Dallas, Texas, for $53.3 million.
Speaker #3: The center is fully occupied and anchored by Dick's House of Sports, Nordstrom Rack, Cost Plus World Market, and Portillo's. Situated on 12 acres along the Dallas North Tollway, with over 121,000 vehicles passing daily, this property serves a dense trade area with a population of approximately 368,000 residents within a 5-mile radius.
John P. Albright: Situated on 12 acres along the Dallas North Tollway, with over 121,000 vehicles passing daily, this property serves a dense trade area with a population of approximately 368,000 residents within a 5-mile radius. It is also just 2 miles from the proposed site of the Dallas Mavericks new arena and entertainment district. On a year-to-date basis, we have now completed $234.2 million of investments at a weighted average yield of 9.5%. On the recycling front, during the quarter, we completed $90.7 million of property dispositions at a weighted average exit cap rate of 6.7%. These sales included Madison Yards, a 163,000 square foot shopping center in Atlanta, Georgia, and Granada Plaza, a 74,000 square foot shopping center in Tampa, Florida. These dispositions allow us to continue recycling capital out of low cap rate stabilized assets and into higher yielding investment opportunities.
John Albright: Situated on 12 acres along the Dallas North Tollway, with over 121,000 vehicles passing daily, this property serves a dense trade area with a population of approximately 368,000 residents within a 5-mile radius. It is also just 2 miles from the proposed site of the Dallas Mavericks new arena and entertainment district. On a year-to-date basis, we have now completed $234.2 million of investments at a weighted average yield of 9.5%. On the recycling front, during the quarter, we completed $90.7 million of property dispositions at a weighted average exit cap rate of 6.7%. These sales included Madison Yards, a 163,000 square foot shopping center in Atlanta, Georgia, and Granada Plaza, a 74,000 square foot shopping center in Tampa, Florida. These dispositions allow us to continue recycling capital out of low cap rate stabilized assets and into higher yielding investment opportunities.
Speaker #3: It is also just 2 miles from the proposed site of the Dallas Mavericks New Arena and Entertainment District. On a year-to-date basis, we have now completed 234.2 million of investments at a weighted average yield of 9.5%.
Speaker #3: On the recycling front, during the quarter, we completed 90.7 million dollars of property dispositions at a weighted average exit cap rate of 6.7%. These sales included massing yards 163,000 square foot shopping center in Atlanta, Georgia, and Granada Plaza 74,000 square foot shopping center in Tampa, Florida.
Speaker #3: These dispositions allow us to continue recycling capital out of low cap rate, stabilized assets and into higher-yielding investment opportunities. Further, the State of New Mexico is expected to take possession of approximately 98,000 square feet at our Albuquerque, New Mexico office property this fall.
John P. Albright: Further, the State of New Mexico is expected to take possession of approximately 98,000 square feet at our Albuquerque, New Mexico office property this fall, bringing the property back to full occupancy. Accordingly, we are now preparing to take this property to market. This will represent our last non-core asset to sell. In addition, we are under contract to sell, subject to customary closing conditions, a 76,500 square foot portion of Carolina Pavilion in Charlotte, North Carolina, to a national retailer. This square footage consists of two adjacent vacant anchor boxes, formerly leased to Value City Furniture and JOANN Fabrics. Assuming this sale closes, we will have resolved all but one of the vacant anchor boxes we have been discussing on prior calls.
John Albright: Further, the State of New Mexico is expected to take possession of approximately 98,000 square feet at our Albuquerque, New Mexico office property this fall, bringing the property back to full occupancy. Accordingly, we are now preparing to take this property to market. This will represent our last non-core asset to sell. In addition, we are under contract to sell, subject to customary closing conditions, a 76,500 square foot portion of Carolina Pavilion in Charlotte, North Carolina, to a national retailer. This square footage consists of two adjacent vacant anchor boxes, formerly leased to Value City Furniture and JOANN Fabrics. Assuming this sale closes, we will have resolved all but one of the vacant anchor boxes we have been discussing on prior calls.
Speaker #3: Bringing the property back to full occupancy, we are now preparing to take this property to market. This will represent our last non-core asset to sell.
Speaker #3: In addition, we are under contract to sell, subject to customary closing conditions, a 76,500-square-foot portion of Carolina Pavilion in Charlotte, North Carolina, to a national retailer.
Speaker #3: This square footage consists of two adjacent vacant anchor boxes formerly leased to Value City Furniture and JoAnn Fabrics. Assuming this sale closes, we will have resolved all but one of the vacant anchor boxes we have been discussing on prior calls.
Speaker #3: Based on the eight completed anchored leases and current lease negotiations for the one remaining vacant box, we anticipate a positive lease spread of approximately 75% for these nine anchor spaces combined.
John P. Albright: Based on the eight completed anchor leases and current lease negotiations for the one remaining vacant box, we anticipate a +75% lease spread for these nine anchor spaces combined. Notably, beyond the favorable earnings impact driven by these new anchors, we believe that they will also drive more foot traffic and create vibrancy to our shopping centers. Turning to our structured investment platform, which continues to be an attractive complement to our investment strategy. During the quarter, we originated two preferred equity investments totaling $96.4 million. The first was a previously announced $75 million preferred equity investment in a Class A premier retail property located in the Southwest, which generates a 12% initial cash yield and has a two-year term.
John Albright: Based on the eight completed anchor leases and current lease negotiations for the one remaining vacant box, we anticipate a +75% lease spread for these nine anchor spaces combined. Notably, beyond the favorable earnings impact driven by these new anchors, we believe that they will also drive more foot traffic and create vibrancy to our shopping centers. Turning to our structured investment platform, which continues to be an attractive complement to our investment strategy. During the quarter, we originated two preferred equity investments totaling $96.4 million. The first was a previously announced $75 million preferred equity investment in a Class A premier retail property located in the Southwest, which generates a 12% initial cash yield and has a two-year term.
Speaker #3: Notably, beyond the favorable earnings impact, driven by these new anchors, we believe that they will also drive more foot traffic and create vibrancy to our shopping centers.
Speaker #3: Turning to our structured investment platform, which continues to be an attractive complement to our investment strategy. During the quarter, we originated two preferred equity investments totaling 96.4 million dollars.
Speaker #3: The first was a previously announced $75 million preferred equity investment in the Class A premier retail property located in the Southwest, which generates a 12% initial cash yield and has a two-year term.
Speaker #3: The second was a $21.4 million preferred equity investment in a grocery-anchored development located in the Northeast, which generates a 12% initial yield, including 3% accrued paid-in-kind interest.
John P. Albright: The second was a $21.4 million preferred equity investment in a grocery anchored development located in the Northeast, which generates a 12% initial yield, including 3% accrued paid in kind interest, and has an 18-month term. After the quarter end, we originated a $37 million first mortgage investment secured by a leasehold interest in a mixed-use property located in Austin, Texas, of which $29.8 million was funded at closing. This investment generates a 9.75 initial cash yield and has a two-year term. Including this investment, our pro forma structured investment portfolio stands at approximately $222 million, or approximately 15% of undepreciated assets, which is our target. The pro forma structured investment portfolio generates a weighted average yield of approximately 11.5%. Just a brief update on our six identified outparcel opportunities.
John Albright: The second was a $21.4 million preferred equity investment in a grocery anchored development located in the Northeast, which generates a 12% initial yield, including 3% accrued paid in kind interest, and has an 18-month term. After the quarter end, we originated a $37 million first mortgage investment secured by a leasehold interest in a mixed-use property located in Austin, Texas, of which $29.8 million was funded at closing. This investment generates a 9.75 initial cash yield and has a two-year term. Including this investment, our pro forma structured investment portfolio stands at approximately $222 million, or approximately 15% of undepreciated assets, which is our target. The pro forma structured investment portfolio generates a weighted average yield of approximately 11.5%. Just a brief update on our six identified outparcel opportunities.
Speaker #3: And has an 18-month term. After the quarter end, we originated a $37 million first mortgage investment secured by a leasehold interest in a mixed-use property located in Austin, Texas, of which $29.8 million was funded at closing.
Speaker #3: This investment generates a 9.75 initial cash yield and has a two-year term. Including this investment, our pro forma structured investment portfolio stands at approximately $222 million or approximately 15% of undepreciated assets, which is our target.
Speaker #3: The pro forma structured investment portfolio generates a weighted average yield of approximately 11.5%. Just a brief update on our six identified AltParcel opportunities. As previously discussed, last quarter we signed a lease with Swig for a drive-through customized beverage store at Marketplace at Seminole Town Center located in the Orlando Market.
John P. Albright: As previously discussed, last quarter we signed a lease with Swig for a drive-through customized beverage store at Marketplace at Seminole Town Center, located in the Orlando market. In this quarter, we signed a lease with Cooper's Hawk at Ashley Park, located in the Atlanta market. We remain active in lease negotiations for the remaining four outparcels, which are located at Beaver Creek, West Broad Village, Plaza at Rockwall, and Collection at Forsyth. We continue to expect these six outparcels combined to generate a low double-digit unlevered yield on approximately $30 million of investment, with capital being deployed over late 2026 and into 2027, and beginning to contribute to earnings in 2027, with the full benefit expected to be recognized in 2028. We look forward to providing updates related to this initiative as additional leasing is completed.
John Albright: As previously discussed, last quarter we signed a lease with Swig for a drive-through customized beverage store at Marketplace at Seminole Town Center, located in the Orlando market. In this quarter, we signed a lease with Cooper's Hawk at Ashley Park, located in the Atlanta market. We remain active in lease negotiations for the remaining four outparcels, which are located at Beaver Creek, West Broad Village, Plaza at Rockwall, and Collection at Forsyth. We continue to expect these six outparcels combined to generate a low double-digit unlevered yield on approximately $30 million of investment, with capital being deployed over late 2026 and into 2027, and beginning to contribute to earnings in 2027, with the full benefit expected to be recognized in 2028. We look forward to providing updates related to this initiative as additional leasing is completed.
Speaker #3: In this quarter, we signed a lease with Cooper's Pocket Ashley Park located in Atlanta Market. We remain active in lease negotiation for the remaining four AltParcels, which are located at Beaver Creek, West Broad Village, Plaza at Rockwall, and Collection at Forsyth.
Speaker #3: We continue to expect these six AltParcels combined to generate a low double-digit unlevered yield on approximately $30 million of investment, with capital being deployed over late 2026 and into 2027.
Speaker #3: And beginning to contribute to earnings in 2027, with a full benefit expected to be recognized in 2028. We look forward to providing updates related to this initiative as additional leasing is completed.
Speaker #3: Looking forward, we have built a robust pipeline of acquisition opportunities and are actively underwriting shopping centers that align with our growth strategy. We expect to close at least one additional acquisition before year-end, further strengthening our portfolio.
John P. Albright: Looking forward, we have built a robust pipeline of acquisition opportunities and are actively underwriting shopping centers that align with our growth strategy. We expect to close at least one additional acquisition before year-end, further strengthening our portfolio. Together with our year-to-date activity, this leads us to raise our investment volume guidance by over $100 million to a new range of $300 million to $400 million. In summary, we are very pleased with our performance through the H1 of 2026, and we remain excited about the embedded growth drivers across our portfolio, including our below-market in-place rents, our signed but not open pipeline, our out parcel development opportunities, and our disciplined capital recycling. We believe these initiatives position the company to deliver meaningful earnings growth for years to come. With that, I will hand the call over to Phil.
John Albright: Looking forward, we have built a robust pipeline of acquisition opportunities and are actively underwriting shopping centers that align with our growth strategy. We expect to close at least one additional acquisition before year-end, further strengthening our portfolio. Together with our year-to-date activity, this leads us to raise our investment volume guidance by over $100 million to a new range of $300 million to $400 million. In summary, we are very pleased with our performance through the H1 of 2026, and we remain excited about the embedded growth drivers across our portfolio, including our below-market in-place rents, our signed but not open pipeline, our out parcel development opportunities, and our disciplined capital recycling. We believe these initiatives position the company to deliver meaningful earnings growth for years to come. With that, I will hand the call over to Phil.
Speaker #3: Together with our year-to-date activity, this leads us to raise our investment volume guidance by over $100 million, to a new range of $300 million to $400 million.
Speaker #3: In summary, we are very pleased with our performance through the first half of 2026, and we remain excited about the embedded growth drivers across our portfolio.
Speaker #3: Including our below-market in-place rents, our signed-not-open pipeline, our AltParcel development opportunities, and our disciplined capital recycling, we believe these initiatives position the company to deliver meaningful earnings growth for years to come.
Speaker #3: And with that, I will hand the call over to Phil.
Speaker #2: Thanks, John. On this call, I will briefly highlight our quarterly results, provide an update on our same-property NOI growth and balance sheet, and discuss our updated 2026 outlook.
Philip R. Mays: Thanks, John. On this call, I will briefly highlight our quarter results, provide an update on our same property NOI growth and balance sheet, and discuss our updated 2026 outlook. For the Q2, Core FFO was $18.4 million, a $3.8 million increase compared to $14.7 million reported in the comparable quarter of the prior year. On a per diluted share basis, Core FFO was $0.53 per share versus $0.45 per share, an increase of nearly 18%. AFFO was $19.1 million for the quarter, an increase of $3.9 million compared to $15.3 million reported in the comparable quarter of the prior year. On a per diluted share basis was $0.55 per share versus $0.47 per share.
Philip Mays: Thanks, John. On this call, I will briefly highlight our quarter results, provide an update on our same property NOI growth and balance sheet, and discuss our updated 2026 outlook. For the Q2, Core FFO was $18.4 million, a $3.8 million increase compared to $14.7 million reported in the comparable quarter of the prior year. On a per diluted share basis, Core FFO was $0.53 per share versus $0.45 per share, an increase of nearly 18%. AFFO was $19.1 million for the quarter, an increase of $3.9 million compared to $15.3 million reported in the comparable quarter of the prior year. On a per diluted share basis was $0.55 per share versus $0.47 per share.
Speaker #2: For the second quarter, core FFO was 18.4 million dollars, a 3.8 million dollar increase compared to 14.7 million dollars, reported in the comparable quarter of the prior year.
Speaker #2: On a per-diluted share basis, core FFO was 53 cents per share, versus 45 cents per share, an increase of nearly 18%. AFFO was 19.1 million dollars for the quarter, an increase of 3.9 million dollars, compared to 15.3 million dollars reported in the comparable quarter of the prior year.
Speaker #2: And on a per-diluted share basis was 55 cents per share, versus 47 cents per share. The gross in both core FFO and AFFO was primarily driven by leases executed over the past year, that have commenced paying rent, along with earnings contributions from our recent acquisitions and structured investments.
Philip R. Mays: The growth in both Core FFO and AFFO was primarily driven by leases executed over the past year that have commenced paying rent, along with earnings contributions from our recent acquisitions and structured investments. Regarding same property NOI. As John mentioned, same property NOI for our shopping centers increased 10.1% in the quarter compared to the prior year period. On a year-to-date basis, shopping center same property NOI increased 8.2%, or 7%, excluding certain non-recurring recovery benefits recorded during the Q1 of the year. Total same property NOI, including our few non-core properties, increased 6.7% for the Q2 and 4.5% for the six months ended 30 June. This year-to-date growth, including non-core properties, was impacted by one tenant vacating 98,000 square feet of the 212,000 square feet at our Albuquerque, New Mexico, property at the beginning of December 2025.
Philip Mays: The growth in both Core FFO and AFFO was primarily driven by leases executed over the past year that have commenced paying rent, along with earnings contributions from our recent acquisitions and structured investments. Regarding same property NOI. As John mentioned, same property NOI for our shopping centers increased 10.1% in the quarter compared to the prior year period. On a year-to-date basis, shopping center same property NOI increased 8.2%, or 7%, excluding certain non-recurring recovery benefits recorded during the Q1 of the year. Total same property NOI, including our few non-core properties, increased 6.7% for the Q2 and 4.5% for the six months ended 30 June. This year-to-date growth, including non-core properties, was impacted by one tenant vacating 98,000 square feet of the 212,000 square feet at our Albuquerque, New Mexico, property at the beginning of December 2025.
Speaker #2: Regarding same property NOI, as John mentioned, same property NOI for our shopping centers increased 10.1% in the quarter, compared to the prior year period.
Speaker #2: On a year-to-date basis, shopping center same property NOI increased 8.2% or 7%, excluding certain non-recurring recovery benefits recorded during the first quarter of the year.
Speaker #2: Total same property NOI, including our few non-core properties, increased 6.7% for the second quarter, and 4.5% for the six months ended June 30th. This year-to-date growth, including non-core properties, was impacted by one tenant vacating 98,000 square feet of the 212,000 square feet, at our Albuquerque, New Mexico property at the beginning of December in 2025.
Speaker #2: As John discussed earlier, the space has been fully leased to the state of New Mexico, which is expected to commence paying rent in late 2026.
Philip R. Mays: As John discussed earlier, the space has been fully leased to the State of New Mexico, which is expected to commence paying rent in late 2026. Strong same property NOI growth for our shopping centers in the H1 of the year was driven by new anchor tenant openings, including Onelife Fitness at Beaver Creek, Barnes & Noble at The Plaza at Rockwall, and The Picklr pickleball facility at The Collection at Forsyth, all of which opened in late 2025 and are now contributing to cash rent against a prior year period that excluded them. As we move into the H2 of the year, these tenants, along with certain anchor backfills that took possession and began paying cash rent late in 2025, will begin to roll into the prior year comparable periods. In addition, the Q3 of 2025 had unusually low bad debt expense.
Philip Mays: As John discussed earlier, the space has been fully leased to the State of New Mexico, which is expected to commence paying rent in late 2026. Strong same property NOI growth for our shopping centers in the H1 of the year was driven by new anchor tenant openings, including Onelife Fitness at Beaver Creek, Barnes & Noble at The Plaza at Rockwall, and The Picklr pickleball facility at The Collection at Forsyth, all of which opened in late 2025 and are now contributing to cash rent against a prior year period that excluded them. As we move into the H2 of the year, these tenants, along with certain anchor backfills that took possession and began paying cash rent late in 2025, will begin to roll into the prior year comparable periods. In addition, the Q3 of 2025 had unusually low bad debt expense.
Speaker #2: Strong same property NOI growth for our shopping centers in the first half of the year was driven by new anchor tenant openings, including one Life Fitness at Beaver Creek, Barnes and Noble at the Plaza at Rockwall, and the Pickler pickleball facility at the Collection at Forsyth, all of which opened in late 2025 and are now contributing to cash rent against a prior year period that excluded them.
Speaker #2: As we move into the back half of the year, these tenants, along with certain anchor backfills that took possession and began paying cash rent late in 2025, will begin to roll into the prior year comparable period.
Speaker #2: In addition, the third quarter of 2025 had unusually low bad debt expense. Accordingly, while we still expect healthy same-store growth going forward, we expect it to moderate from the beginning-of-the-year pace.
Philip R. Mays: Accordingly, while we still expect healthy same-store growth going forward, we expect it to moderate from the beginning of the year pace. Moving to the balance sheet. At 30 June, we had total debt of $660.8 million, consisting of $643 million of unsecured borrowings and $17.8 million mortgage note payable, with a weighted average interest rate of 4.6%. We ended the quarter with total liquidity of $131.8 million, consisting of $107 million of undrawn commitments under our revolving credit facility and $24.8 million of cash on hand. Our only remaining debt maturity in 2026 is the $17.8 million mortgage note payable, which matures in August and carries an interest rate of 4.06%. At maturity, we intend to repay this mortgage using our revolving credit facility.
Philip Mays: Accordingly, while we still expect healthy same-store growth going forward, we expect it to moderate from the beginning of the year pace. Moving to the balance sheet. At 30 June, we had total debt of $660.8 million, consisting of $643 million of unsecured borrowings and $17.8 million mortgage note payable, with a weighted average interest rate of 4.6%. We ended the quarter with total liquidity of $131.8 million, consisting of $107 million of undrawn commitments under our revolving credit facility and $24.8 million of cash on hand. Our only remaining debt maturity in 2026 is the $17.8 million mortgage note payable, which matures in August and carries an interest rate of 4.06%. At maturity, we intend to repay this mortgage using our revolving credit facility.
Speaker #2: Moving to the balance sheet, a June 30th, we had total debt of $660.8 million dollars, consisting of 643 million dollars of unsecured borrowings and 17.8 million mortgage note payable, with a weighted average interest rate of 4.6%.
Speaker #2: We ended the quarter with total liquidity of $131.8 million, consisting of $107 million of undrawn commitments under our revolving credit facility, and $24.8 million of cash on hand.
Speaker #2: Our only remaining debt maturity in 2026 is the 17.8 million dollar mortgage note payable, which matures in August and carries an interest rate of 4.06%.
Speaker #2: At maturity, we intend to repay this mortgage using our revolving credit facility. During the quarter, we issued approximately 4.2 million common shares under our common stock ATM program, at a weighted average gross price of $20.29 per share, for total net proceeds of $83.6 million dollars.
Philip R. Mays: During the quarter, we issued approximately 4.2 million common shares under our common stock ATM program at a weighted average gross price of $20.29 per share for total net proceeds of $83.6 million. For the H1 ended 30 June, we issued approximately 4.9 million common shares at a weighted average gross price of $20.18 per share for total net proceeds of $97.8 million. These proceeds, together with our disposition and structured investment repayment activity, funded our investment volume while allowing us to reduce leverage. As a result, we ended the quarter with net debt to pro forma adjusted EBITDA of 5.8 times, a decrease of 0.6 times from the end of the Q1. We expect to continue to de-lever as our signed not open pipeline commences paying rent. Although leverage can vary quarter by quarter depending on investment and disposition activity and how it is funded.
Philip Mays: During the quarter, we issued approximately 4.2 million common shares under our common stock ATM program at a weighted average gross price of $20.29 per share for total net proceeds of $83.6 million. For the H1 ended 30 June, we issued approximately 4.9 million common shares at a weighted average gross price of $20.18 per share for total net proceeds of $97.8 million. These proceeds, together with our disposition and structured investment repayment activity, funded our investment volume while allowing us to reduce leverage. As a result, we ended the quarter with net debt to pro forma adjusted EBITDA of 5.8 times, a decrease of 0.6 times from the end of the Q1. We expect to continue to de-lever as our signed not open pipeline commences paying rent. Although leverage can vary quarter by quarter depending on investment and disposition activity and how it is funded.
Speaker #2: For the six months ended June 30th, we issued approximately 4.9 million common shares, at a weighted average gross price of $20.18 per share, for total net proceeds of $97.8 million dollars.
Speaker #2: These proceeds, together with our disposition and structured investment repayment activity, funded our investment volume while allowing us to reduce leverage. As a result, we ended the quarter with net debt to pro forma adjusted EBITDA of 5.8 times, a decrease of 0.6 times from the end of the first quarter.
Speaker #2: We expect to continue to delever as our signed out open pipeline commences paying rent, although leverage can vary quarter by quarter depending on investment and disposition activity and how it is funded.
Speaker #2: Regarding our investment and management of Alpine Income Property Trust, income from Pine for the quarter was $2.1 million, consisting of $1.4 million in management fees and $0.7 million in dividend income.
Philip R. Mays: Regarding our investment and management of Alpine Income Property Trust, income from PINE for the quarter was $2.1 million, consisting of $1.4 million in management fees and $0.7 million in dividend income. Reflecting PINE's recent earnings and dividend growth, our new annualized run rate is $8.9 million, consisting of $5.7 million in management fees and $3.2 million in dividend income, representing a $0.4 million increase from the annualized Q2 results. One unusual item that I would like to note, income tax expense was elevated at $1.1 million. Of this amount, approximately $800,000 is related to deferred taxes on unrealized gains on securities such as PINE, held in our taxable REIT subsidiary, or TRS, and does not affect our non-GAAP measures because such unrealized gains are excluded net of income taxes. Accordingly, only approximately $300,000 of income tax expense impacted our non-GAAP measures this quarter.
Philip Mays: Regarding our investment and management of Alpine Income Property Trust, income from PINE for the quarter was $2.1 million, consisting of $1.4 million in management fees and $0.7 million in dividend income. Reflecting PINE's recent earnings and dividend growth, our new annualized run rate is $8.9 million, consisting of $5.7 million in management fees and $3.2 million in dividend income, representing a $0.4 million increase from the annualized Q2 results. One unusual item that I would like to note, income tax expense was elevated at $1.1 million. Of this amount, approximately $800,000 is related to deferred taxes on unrealized gains on securities such as PINE, held in our taxable REIT subsidiary, or TRS, and does not affect our non-GAAP measures because such unrealized gains are excluded net of income taxes. Accordingly, only approximately $300,000 of income tax expense impacted our non-GAAP measures this quarter.
Speaker #2: Reflecting Pine's recent earnings and dividend growth, our new annualized run rate is 8.9 million dollars, consisting of 5.7 million dollars in management fees and 3.2 million dollars in dividend income, representing a 0.4 million dollar increase from the annualized second quarter results.
Speaker #2: One unusual item that I would like to note: income tax expense was elevated at 1.1 million dollars. Of this amount, approximately 800,000 dollars is related to deferred taxes on unrealized gains on securities, such as Pine, held in our taxable REIT subsidiary, or TRS, and does not affect our non-GAAP measures.
Speaker #2: Because such unrealized gains are excluded, net of income taxes. Accordingly, only approximately 300,000 of income tax expense impacted our non-GAAP measures this quarter. Now, turning to guidance.
Philip R. Mays: Now turning to guidance. Reflecting our strong H1 results and our completed and pending investment activity, we are raising our full year 2026 outlook. We are increasing Core FFO guidance to a new range of $2.09 to $2.13 per diluted share, up from our prior range of $2.06 to $2.11. We are increasing our AFFO guidance to a new range of $2.21 to $2.25 per diluted share, up from our prior range of $2.19 to $2.24. At the midpoint, our revised Core FFO guidance represents approximately 13% growth compared to actual results for 2025. Key assumptions reflected in our revised guidance include investment volume, including commercial loans and structured investments of $300 million to $400 million, up from our prior range of $175 million to $250 million. Same-property NOI growth for shopping centers of 5% to 6%, up from our prior range of 3.5% to 4.5%.
Philip Mays: Now turning to guidance. Reflecting our strong H1 results and our completed and pending investment activity, we are raising our full year 2026 outlook. We are increasing Core FFO guidance to a new range of $2.09 to $2.13 per diluted share, up from our prior range of $2.06 to $2.11. We are increasing our AFFO guidance to a new range of $2.21 to $2.25 per diluted share, up from our prior range of $2.19 to $2.24. At the midpoint, our revised Core FFO guidance represents approximately 13% growth compared to actual results for 2025. Key assumptions reflected in our revised guidance include investment volume, including commercial loans and structured investments of $300 million to $400 million, up from our prior range of $175 million to $250 million. Same-property NOI growth for shopping centers of 5% to 6%, up from our prior range of 3.5% to 4.5%.
Speaker #2: Reflecting our strong first half results and our completed and pending investment activity, we are raising our full-year 2026 outlook. We are increasing core FFO guidance to a new range of $2.09 to $2.13 per diluted share, up from our prior range of $2.06 to $2.11. We are also increasing our AFFO guidance to a new range of $2.21 to $2.25 per diluted share, up from our prior range of $2.19 to $2.24.
Speaker #2: At the midpoint, our revised core FFO guidance represents approximately 13% growth compared to actual results for 2025. Key assumptions reflected in our revised guidance include: investment volume, including commercial loans and structured investments, of 300 million dollars to 400 million dollars; up from our prior range of 175 million dollars to 250 million dollars; same property NOI growth for shopping centers, up 5% to 6%, up from our prior range of 3.5% to 4.5%; and general and administrative expenses of 20 million dollars to 20.2 million dollars.
Philip R. Mays: General and administrative expenses of $20 million to $20.2 million. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
Philip Mays: General and administrative expenses of $20 million to $20.2 million. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
Speaker #2: And with that operator, please open the line for questions.
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Matthew Erdner: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I'd like to touch on the signed not open pipeline. Kind of the recognition of that across 2027, is that going to be kind of balanced throughout the year? Is it more loaded into kind of the first or second half?
Matthew Erdner: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I'd like to touch on the signed not open pipeline. Kind of the recognition of that across 2027, is that going to be kind of balanced throughout the year? Is it more loaded into kind of the first or second half?
Speaker #3: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I'd like to touch on the signed not open pipeline. So kind of the recognition of that across 2027, is that going to be kind of balanced throughout the year?
Speaker #3: Is it more loaded into kind of the first or second half?
Speaker #2: Yeah, hey, Matt. It's Phil. Over '27, it'll be pretty even. Going for the remainder of this year, there's probably 400,000 or so that picks up in the third quarter, then that probably doubles to about 800 or 1,000 or so in the fourth quarter.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah. Hey, Matt, it's Phil. Over at 2027 it'll be pretty even. Going for the remainder of this year, there's probably 400,000 or so that picked up in Q3, that probably doubles to about 800 or 1,000 or so in Q4. Everything is almost online. Over 90% is online after that, and it's pretty evenly going forward. 1 million, 3 million for a quarter going forward. That's just base rent.
Philip Mays: Yeah. Hey, Matt, it's Phil. Over at 2027 it'll be pretty even. Going for the remainder of this year, there's probably 400,000 or so that picked up in Q3, that probably doubles to about 800 or 1,000 or so in Q4. Everything is almost online. Over 90% is online after that, and it's pretty evenly going forward. 1 million, 3 million for a quarter going forward. That's just base rent.
Speaker #2: And then it's pretty—then everything is almost online. Over 90% is online after that, and it's pretty even going forward—$1 million, $3 million, $4 million per quarter going forward.
Speaker #2: And that's just base rent.
Speaker #3: Got it. That's helpful. And then kind of looking ahead to '27, '28, you have 27% of the ABR kind of rolling over. Have you had any preliminary discussions there?
Matthew Erdner: Got it. That's helpful. Kind of looking ahead to 2027, 2028, you have 27% of the ABR kind of rolling over. Have you had any preliminary discussions there? I guess what opportunity do you think that provides you guys on top of the current signed not open pipeline and the outparcel development?
Matthew Erdner: Got it. That's helpful. Kind of looking ahead to 2027, 2028, you have 27% of the ABR kind of rolling over. Have you had any preliminary discussions there? I guess what opportunity do you think that provides you guys on top of the current signed not open pipeline and the outparcel development?
Speaker #3: And then I guess, what opportunity do you think that provides you guys on top of the current signed not open pipeline and then the outparcel development?
Speaker #4: Yeah. So in my particular order, I mean, we have a very robust lease negotiations and LOI stages and discussions with almost all of the rest of the vacancy so if all that kind of come through, you're going to be high 98% sort of level.
John P. Albright: Yeah. In not any particular order, we have a very robust lease negotiations and LOI stages and discussions with almost all of the rest of the vacancy. If all that kind of comes through, you're going to be high 98% sort of level. Basically the tenants that are expiring, really the one hole we'll have that's kind of meaningful would be in West Broad, where we're having a tenant downsize. One that I think we mentioned before that our theater in Phoenix, we're working on a tenant to take over that box, so that will be good. We really don't have any issues that have any concern. We have good renewals and a lot of interest for the boxes.
John Albright: Yeah. In not any particular order, we have a very robust lease negotiations and LOI stages and discussions with almost all of the rest of the vacancy. If all that kind of comes through, you're going to be high 98% sort of level. Basically the tenants that are expiring, really the one hole we'll have that's kind of meaningful would be in West Broad, where we're having a tenant downsize. One that I think we mentioned before that our theater in Phoenix, we're working on a tenant to take over that box, so that will be good. We really don't have any issues that have any concern. We have good renewals and a lot of interest for the boxes.
Speaker #4: But basically, the tenants that are expiring, the only real hole we'll have that's kind of meaningful would be in West Broad, where we have a tenant downsizing.
Speaker #4: But everything else is pretty I think we mentioned before that our theater in Phoenix, we're going to we're working on tenant to take over that box so that we'll be good.
Speaker #4: But we really don't have any issues that have any concern. We have good renewals and a lot of interest for the boxes.
Speaker #2: Yeah. And you'll see even starting next quarter that '27 expirations come down. I think we've already had a couple people getting close to 100,000 square feet already renewed.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah. You'll see even starting next quarter that 2027 expirations come down. I think we've already had a couple people getting close to 100,000 square feet already renew. You'll start to see those just kind of come down as we get close to year-end as is typical.
Philip Mays: Yeah. You'll see even starting next quarter that 2027 expirations come down. I think we've already had a couple people getting close to 100,000 square feet already renew. You'll start to see those just kind of come down as we get close to year-end as is typical.
Speaker #2: So you'll start to see those just kind of come down as we get close to year-end, as is typical.
Speaker #3: Perfect. Awesome. Thank you, guys.
Matthew Erdner: Perfect. Awesome. Thank you guys.
Matthew Erdner: Perfect. Awesome. Thank you guys.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
John P. Albright: Thanks.
John Albright: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from line of Craig Kuchera from Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Kucera from Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Kucera from Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Speaker #5: Yeah, hey, good morning. John, you sold out of Atlanta this quarter. Was that more of a portfolio decision to reduce exposure there, or AMC, or did you just think the asset had reached full value, since I think it was about 99% occupied?
Craig Kucera: Yeah. Hey, good morning. John, you sold out of Atlanta this quarter. Was that more of a portfolio decision to reduce exposure there or AMC, or did you just think the asset had reached full value since I think it was about 99% occupied?
Craig Kucera: Yeah. Hey, good morning. John, you sold out of Atlanta this quarter. Was that more of a portfolio decision to reduce exposure there or AMC, or did you just think the asset had reached full value since I think it was about 99% occupied?
Speaker #4: Yeah. A little bit of all of the above. Obviously, Atlanta was our largest market, so lightening up that market probably was prudent. But AMC was something that investors and analysts brought up quite a bit.
John P. Albright: Yeah. A little bit of all the above. Obviously Atlanta was our largest market, so it lighten up that market probably was prudent. AMC sort of was something that investors and analysts brought up quite a bit. Knocking out an AMC was good, obviously the cap rate was low where we can recycle into an accretive acquisition, something like the one we did in Dallas on the Dallas North Tollway.
John Albright: Yeah. A little bit of all the above. Obviously Atlanta was our largest market, so it lighten up that market probably was prudent. AMC sort of was something that investors and analysts brought up quite a bit. Knocking out an AMC was good, obviously the cap rate was low where we can recycle into an accretive acquisition, something like the one we did in Dallas on the Dallas North Tollway.
Speaker #4: So knocking out an AMC was good. And obviously, the cap rate was low where we could recycle into an accretive acquisition like the one we did in Dallas on the Dallas North tollway.
Speaker #5: Got it. And I'd like to talk about that transaction, which appears to be a little different than your typical acquisition. I think it was about 100% occupied, but it sounds like it’s in a great location.
Craig Kucera: Got it. I'd like to talk about that transaction, which appears to be a little different than your typical acquisition. I think it was about 100% occupied, but it sounds like in a great location. Is there any value add opportunity there, maybe outparcel development or below market rents? Was it just a high cap rate and a very attractive market?
Craig Kucera: Got it. I'd like to talk about that transaction, which appears to be a little different than your typical acquisition. I think it was about 100% occupied, but it sounds like in a great location. Is there any value add opportunity there, maybe outparcel development or below market rents? Was it just a high cap rate and a very attractive market?
Speaker #5: Is there any value-add opportunity there—maybe outparcel development or below-market rents—or, I guess, what’s the... or was it just a high cap rate in a very attractive market?
Speaker #4: Yeah, you're right, Craig. You answered it for me that it was a very attractive location. Right by north of the Galleria. Mall, but close to where the Dallas Mavericks are going to build their arena.
John P. Albright: Yeah, you're right, Craig. You answered it for me that it was a very attractive location. Right by north of the Galleria Mall, but close to where the Dallas Mavericks are going to build their arena. Basically, the cap rate was higher than you would normally think for a stabilized asset, and Dick's had just taken over and opened a new box, and Portillo's had just opened. The ability to sell off a pad site if we wanted to, for instance, a Portillo's would make it even more accretive on the cap rate. We don't intend to, but that's a potential kind of value enhancing opportunity we have.
John Albright: Yeah, you're right, Craig. You answered it for me that it was a very attractive location. Right by north of the Galleria Mall, but close to where the Dallas Mavericks are going to build their arena. Basically, the cap rate was higher than you would normally think for a stabilized asset, and Dick's had just taken over and opened a new box, and Portillo's had just opened. The ability to sell off a pad site if we wanted to, for instance, a Portillo's would make it even more accretive on the cap rate. We don't intend to, but that's a potential kind of value enhancing opportunity we have.
Speaker #4: And basically, the cap rate was higher than you would normally think for stabilized assets. And Dick's had just taken over and opened a new box, and Portillo's had just opened.
Speaker #4: And the ability to sell off a pad site if we wanted to—for instance, the Portillo's—would make it even more accretive on the cap rate.
Speaker #4: We don't intend to, but that's a potential kind of value-enhancing opportunity we have.
Speaker #5: Okay, great. Changing gears, Phil, you had some interest rate swaps expiring over at Pine. Can you give us some color on your thoughts on the January 2027 expirations?
Craig Kucera: Okay, great. Changing gears. Phil, you had some interest rate swaps expiring over at PINE. Can you give us some color on your thoughts on the January 2027 expirations? Are you expecting to swap them again, or what are your thoughts there?
Craig Kucera: Okay, great. Changing gears. Phil, you had some interest rate swaps expiring over at PINE. Can you give us some color on your thoughts on the January 2027 expirations? Are you expecting to swap them again, or what are your thoughts there?
Speaker #5: Are you expecting to swap them again, or kind of your thoughts there?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, we'll keep all of our term loans swapped. I believe there is a roll-up in rate on the '27. Don't recall right off the top of my head what it's probably going to run.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah. We'll keep all of our term loans swapped. I believe there is a roll-up in rate on the 2027. Don't want to call right off the top of my head what it's probably going to run. That will run up closer to a market rate. Most of our term loans, if we were to do new swaps now, Craig, would be around 5%.
Philip Mays: Yeah. We'll keep all of our term loans swapped. I believe there is a roll-up in rate on the 2027. Don't want to call right off the top of my head what it's probably going to run. That will run up closer to a market rate. Most of our term loans, if we were to do new swaps now, Craig, would be around 5%.
Speaker #2: But that will run up closer to a market rate. Most of our term loans, if we were to do new swaps now, Craig, would be around 5%.
Craig Kucera: Okay.
Craig Kucera: Okay.
Philip R. Mays: Just thinking about new term loans going forward, that's probably a decent rate to model.
Speaker #2: And just thinking about new term loans going forward, that's probably a decent rate to model.
Philip Mays: Just thinking about new term loans going forward, that's probably a decent rate to model.
Speaker #5: Okay, that's useful. Just one more for me, John. I think the whole foods loan you did was the first investment you made outside of the South or Southwest.
Craig Kucera: Okay, that's useful. Just one more from me, John. I think the Whole Foods loan you did was the first investment you made outside of the South or Southwest. Was that more of a one-off or do you think CTO might grow and deploy more capital maybe outside of the South and Southwest going forward?
Craig Kucera: Okay, that's useful. Just one more from me, John. I think the Whole Foods loan you did was the first investment you made outside of the South or Southwest. Was that more of a one-off or do you think CTO might grow and deploy more capital maybe outside of the South and Southwest going forward?
Speaker #5: Was that more of a one-off, or do you think CTO might grow and deploy more capital maybe outside of the South or the Southwest going forward?
Speaker #4: I think more one-off. The developer we did that with is super talented and has a big pipeline of Whole Foods developments. And so we may be able to do some more with him in the future.
John P. Albright: I think more one-off. The developer we did that with is super talented and has a big pipeline of Whole Foods developments. We may be able to do some more with him in the future. Yeah, this is more of a one-off.
John Albright: I think more one-off. The developer we did that with is super talented and has a big pipeline of Whole Foods developments. We may be able to do some more with him in the future. Yeah, this is more of a one-off.
Speaker #4: So yeah, it's just more of a one-off.
Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you.
Craig Kucera: Okay. Thank you.
Craig Kucera: Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
John P. Albright: Thanks.
John Albright: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from line of Jay Kornrich from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jay Kornswiet from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jay Kornreich from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open.
Speaker #6: Hey, thanks. Good morning. If I could just ask a bigger picture question to start: can you just talk a little bit about the general supply-demand fundamentals you're seeing across the portfolio?
Jay Kornswiet: Hey, thanks. Good morning. If I could just ask a bigger picture question to start. Can you just talk a little bit about the general supply-demand fundamentals you're seeing across the portfolio? Is it correct to say that even the power centers have become, I guess, more of a landlord's market where you have more pricing power than, say, a year ago, where you may be experiencing some cap rate compression? Just finally, within that, if that is the case, is that what led to the increase in same-store NOI and guidance, or are there other dynamics pushing that higher?
Jay Kornreich: Hey, thanks. Good morning. If I could just ask a bigger picture question to start. Can you just talk a little bit about the general supply-demand fundamentals you're seeing across the portfolio? Is it correct to say that even the power centers have become, I guess, more of a landlord's market where you have more pricing power than, say, a year ago, where you may be experiencing some cap rate compression? Just finally, within that, if that is the case, is that what led to the increase in same-store NOI and guidance, or are there other dynamics pushing that higher?
Speaker #6: Is it correct to say that even the power centers have become, I guess, more of a landlord's market, where you have more pricing power than, say, a year ago, and maybe are experiencing some cap rate compression?
Speaker #6: And then just finally, within that, if that is the case, is that what led to the increase in same-store NOI and guidance, or are there other dynamics pushing that higher?
Speaker #4: Sure. I'll take the first part of the question. Let Phil answer the second part. Look, definitely the power center market has been very strong of late and a lot of investor more investor interest.
John P. Albright: Sure. I'll take the first part of that question and let Phil answer the second part. Look, definitely the power center market has been very strong of late, more investor interest, more diverse tenant interest because if you think about it, these large formats are in locations you can't find the land. You can't build it for the cost that we're able to buy these things for. So tenants are able to get in good locations, good markets for the box they need. These power centers are sort of morphing into community centers. For instance, at Carolina Pavilion, we mentioned that we're under contract to sell a vacant Jo-Ann's to a tenant, and the tenant is a tenant that usually doesn't go into a power center.
John Albright: Sure. I'll take the first part of that question and let Phil answer the second part. Look, definitely the power center market has been very strong of late, more investor interest, more diverse tenant interest because if you think about it, these large formats are in locations you can't find the land. You can't build it for the cost that we're able to buy these things for. So tenants are able to get in good locations, good markets for the box they need. These power centers are sort of morphing into community centers. For instance, at Carolina Pavilion, we mentioned that we're under contract to sell a vacant Jo-Ann's to a tenant, and the tenant is a tenant that usually doesn't go into a power center.
Speaker #4: More diverse tenant interest because think about it, these large formats are in locations you can't find the land. You can't build it for the costs that we're able to buy these things for.
Speaker #4: And so tenants are able to get in good locations, good markets, for the box they need. And these power centers are sort of morphing into community centers.
Speaker #4: For instance, in Carolina Pavilion, we mentioned that we're under contract to sell a vacant Joann’s to a tenant, and the tenant is a tenant that usually doesn’t go into a power center.
Speaker #4: So it'll be great for the center to create more traffic and diverse traffic, and bring down the cap rate of the property by a fair amount, in our opinion.
John P. Albright: It'll be great for the center, create more traffic and diverse traffic, and bring down the cap rate of the property by a fair amount, in our opinion.
John Albright: It'll be great for the center, create more traffic and diverse traffic, and bring down the cap rate of the property by a fair amount, in our opinion.
Speaker #2: Yeah. And then on the same store, Jay, it's really kind of three different things moving it. One, I've talked about it before. The same-store pool is relatively small.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah, on the same-store, Jay, it's really kind of three different things moving it. One, I've talked about it before. The same-store pool is relatively small. A couple 100,000 in a quarter is 100 basis points of growth. I think early in the year, we tend to be a little conservative. Beyond that, just on the revenue side, tenants just moving in at a little quicker pace and getting open a little quicker. On the expense side, we really had expenses. I think even if you look comparably, they're down year over year, and it's really three things. Management expense is a little less as we've internalized management at a couple of properties. We had a favorable insurance renewal, and insurance costs came down. Just timing of repair and maintenance, it was a little lighter in the quarter.
Philip Mays: Yeah, on the same-store, Jay, it's really kind of three different things moving it. One, I've talked about it before. The same-store pool is relatively small. A couple 100,000 in a quarter is 100 basis points of growth. I think early in the year, we tend to be a little conservative. Beyond that, just on the revenue side, tenants just moving in at a little quicker pace and getting open a little quicker. On the expense side, we really had expenses. I think even if you look comparably, they're down year over year, and it's really three things. Management expense is a little less as we've internalized management at a couple of properties. We had a favorable insurance renewal, and insurance costs came down. Just timing of repair and maintenance, it was a little lighter in the quarter.
Speaker #2: A couple hundred thousand and a quarter is 100 bps of growth. So I think early in the year, we tend to be a little conservative.
Speaker #2: And then beyond that, just on the revenue side, tenants are moving in at a little quicker pace and getting open a little quicker. And on the expense side, we really had expenses—even if you look comparably—they're down year over year.
Speaker #2: And it's really three things. Management expense is a little less as we've internalized management at a couple of properties. We had a favorable insurance renewal, and insurance costs came down.
Speaker #2: And then just timing of repair and maintenance, it was a little lighter in the quarter. So it's really just kind of all of those things that led to the bump in same-store guidance.
Philip R. Mays: It's really just kind of all of those things that led to the bump in same-store guidance.
Philip Mays: It's really just kind of all of those things that led to the bump in same-store guidance.
Speaker #6: Okay, I appreciate that. And then, I guess maybe just following up on the reference to the Carolina Pavilion and the two vacant anchor boxes that you're under contract to sell there.
Jay Kornswiet: Okay. I appreciate that. I guess maybe just following up on the reference to the Carolina Pavilion and the two vacant anchor boxes that you're under contract to sell there. I guess over the past year and a half, two years, there's been a lot of discussion just around the 10 or 11 vacant big box assets, finding tenants to lease that up. Just curious to hear more about what made selling these assets a more compelling opportunity. Assuming the sale does close, how do you want to utilize those proceeds?
Jay Kornreich: Okay. I appreciate that. I guess maybe just following up on the reference to the Carolina Pavilion and the two vacant anchor boxes that you're under contract to sell there. I guess over the past year and a half, two years, there's been a lot of discussion just around the 10 or 11 vacant big box assets, finding tenants to lease that up. Just curious to hear more about what made selling these assets a more compelling opportunity. Assuming the sale does close, how do you want to utilize those proceeds?
Speaker #6: I guess over the past year and a half, two years, there's been a lot of discussion just around the 10 or 11 vacant big-box assets, finding tenants to lease that up.
Speaker #6: I'm just curious to hear more about what made selling these assets the more compelling opportunity. And then, assuming the sale does close, how do you want to utilize those proceeds?
Speaker #4: Yeah, so one really our intention to sell it, but the user really wanted to buy it versus a lease. And so given that the use that the tenant would have is very accretive to the whole center, definitely made it an easy choice for us.
John P. Albright: Yeah. One, really our intention to sell it, but the user really wanted to buy it versus a lease. Given that the use that this tenant would have is very accretive to the whole center, definitely made it an easy choice for us. Obviously it lessens the CapEx for us. We don't have to do a lot of TI that a normal tenant would require. On the other box that we have there at Cons, we're in the final throes of lease negotiations there. We hope to kind of get that announced in 30 days or less and get them going. That's going to be great to fill out that property. I'm sorry, what was the last question on.
John Albright: Yeah. One, really our intention to sell it, but the user really wanted to buy it versus a lease. Given that the use that this tenant would have is very accretive to the whole center, definitely made it an easy choice for us. Obviously it lessens the CapEx for us. We don't have to do a lot of TI that a normal tenant would require. On the other box that we have there at Cons, we're in the final throes of lease negotiations there. We hope to kind of get that announced in 30 days or less and get them going. That's going to be great to fill out that property. I'm sorry, what was the last question on.
Speaker #4: And obviously, it lessens the capex for us. We don't have to do a lot of TI that a normal tenant would require. And then on the other box that we have there, cons were in the final throws of a lease negotiations there.
Speaker #4: And so we hope to kind of get that announced in 30 days or less and get them going. So that's going to be great to fill out that property.
Speaker #4: I'm sorry, what was the last question on?
Speaker #2: You said the proceeds. Initially, we'll just take the proceeds and pay down the line.
Philip R. Mays: Use of the proceeds.
Philip Mays: Use of the proceeds.
John P. Albright: Yeah.
John Albright: Yeah.
Philip R. Mays: Initially, we'll just take the proceeds and pay down the line, Jay.
Philip Mays: Initially, we'll just take the proceeds and pay down the line, Jay.
Jay Kornswiet: Okay, great. If I could just squeeze in one last one, just on the reference to the office property in New Mexico. It sounds like you're about to go to market with that asset. Is that likely, do you think, to be a H2 2026 event, or what do you think about just in terms of the timeline to actually get that asset sold?
Jay Kornreich: Okay, great. If I could just squeeze in one last one, just on the reference to the office property in New Mexico. It sounds like you're about to go to market with that asset. Is that likely, do you think, to be a H2 2026 event, or what do you think about just in terms of the timeline to actually get that asset sold?
Speaker #6: could just squeeze in one last one just on the reference to the office property in New Mexico. It sounds like you're about to go to market with that asset.
Speaker #6: Do you think that's likely to be a second half of 2026 event, or what do you think in terms of the timeline to actually get that asset sold?
John P. Albright: It'll probably be the end of the year or early next year. Given the tenant staying in New Mexico, most likely we'll get occupancy before October. Certainly a buyer's going to want to have that and see how the property looks before executing on something. We're out in the market now, but don't anticipate something happening till very end of the year or next year.
John Albright: It'll probably be the end of the year or early next year. Given the tenant staying in New Mexico, most likely we'll get occupancy before October. Certainly a buyer's going to want to have that and see how the property looks before executing on something. We're out in the market now, but don't anticipate something happening till very end of the year or next year.
Speaker #4: It'll probably be the end of the year or early next year. Given the tenant state of New Mexico, most likely we'll get occupancy before October.
Speaker #4: And so certainly a buyer is going to want to have that and see how the property looks before executing on something. So we're out in the market now, but don't anticipate something happening until very end of the year or next year.
Speaker #6: Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Jay Kornswiet: Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Jay Kornreich: Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
John P. Albright: Thanks.
John Albright: Thanks.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of RJ Milligan from Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of RJ Milligan from Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from a line of RJ Milligan from Raymond Jones. Your line is now open.
Speaker #5: Yeah, hey, good morning, guys. John, just to follow up on the last question, can you give us any indication on the expected pricing for that sale?
RJ Milligan: Yeah. Hey, good morning, guys. John, just to follow up on the last question, can you give us any indication on the expected pricing on that sale?
RJ Milligan: Yeah. Hey, good morning, guys. John, just to follow up on the last question, can you give us any indication on the expected pricing on that sale?
Speaker #4: Yeah, we haven't come out with that. So certainly with state of New Mexico, as far as where we internally had the property NAV and so forth, it's definitely higher than it was a year ago.
John P. Albright: Yeah, we haven't come out with that. Certainly, with State of New Mexico as far as where we internally had the property NAV and so forth, it's definitely higher than it was a year ago. There are costs associated with putting State of New Mexico in. It's at a cap rate that we feel like it's going to trade, that we'll be able to move that capital into a retail property with not a big frictional sort of decrease in yield. Maybe a little bit, but not a big one.
John Albright: Yeah, we haven't come out with that. Certainly, with State of New Mexico as far as where we internally had the property NAV and so forth, it's definitely higher than it was a year ago. There are costs associated with putting State of New Mexico in. It's at a cap rate that we feel like it's going to trade, that we'll be able to move that capital into a retail property with not a big frictional sort of decrease in yield. Maybe a little bit, but not a big one.
Speaker #4: But there are costs associated with putting state of Mexico in. But it's at a cap rate that we feel like it's going to trade that we'll be able to move that capital into a retail property with not as big frictional sort of decrease in yield, maybe a little bit, but not a big one.
Speaker #5: Okay, and then as we think about property dispositions, going forward, portfolio recycling, do you still view that there's a lot more to do, or is this pretty much as we get into after the office asset sale, that's there's not a lot left to do on the disposition side?
RJ Milligan: Okay. As we think about property dispositions going forward, portfolio recycling, do you still view that there's a lot more to do, or is this pretty much as we get into after the office asset sale, there's not a lot left to do on the disposition side?
RJ Milligan: Okay. As we think about property dispositions going forward, portfolio recycling, do you still view that there's a lot more to do, or is this pretty much as we get into after the office asset sale, there's not a lot left to do on the disposition side?
Speaker #4: I mean, there are a couple of smaller properties—more stabilized, lower cap rate—that we may recycle on the acquisition side. We have something that we're working on.
John P. Albright: There's a couple that, smaller properties, more stabilized, lower cap rate that we may recycle. On the acquisition side, we have something that we're working on. If that kind of works out and we close on it, we may want to push out another property.
John Albright: There's a couple that, smaller properties, more stabilized, lower cap rate that we may recycle. On the acquisition side, we have something that we're working on. If that kind of works out and we close on it, we may want to push out another property.
Speaker #4: So, if that kind of works out and we close on it, then we may want to push out another property.
Speaker #5: Okay, and then bigger picture, John, on the structured investment side, I'm just curious if the changing rate outlook has impacted your view on investment risk or reinvestment risk as some of those investments are paid back.
RJ Milligan: Okay, bigger picture, John, on the structured investment side, I'm just curious if the changing rate outlook has impacted your view on investment risk or reinvestment risk as some of those investments are paid back.
RJ Milligan: Okay, bigger picture, John, on the structured investment side, I'm just curious if the changing rate outlook has impacted your view on investment risk or reinvestment risk as some of those investments are paid back.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I think actually the industry environment is going to help us as far as deal flow when we want to replace some of the structured investments.
John P. Albright: Yeah, I think actually the industry environment's going to help us as far as deal flow when we want to replace some of the structured investments. I think a lot of borrowers, developers, banking on lower rates to refi, and when that's not going to happen, we may be in a situation where we can provide some solutions there. I think it's going to be more opportunity for us in the future rather than less.
John Albright: Yeah, I think actually the industry environment's going to help us as far as deal flow when we want to replace some of the structured investments. I think a lot of borrowers, developers, banking on lower rates to refi, and when that's not going to happen, we may be in a situation where we can provide some solutions there. I think it's going to be more opportunity for us in the future rather than less.
Speaker #4: I think a lot of borrowers developers banking on lower rates to refi and when that's not going to happen, we may be in a situation where we can provide some solutions there.
Speaker #4: So I think it's going to be more opportunity for us in the future rather than less.
Speaker #5: Great, that's it for me. Thanks, guys.
RJ Milligan: Great. That's it for me. Thanks, guys.
RJ Milligan: Great. That's it for me. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
John P. Albright: Thanks.
John Albright: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta from Alliance Global Partnerships. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta from Alliance Global Partners. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta from Alliance Global Partners. Your line is now open.
Speaker #7: Yeah, thank you. Good morning. I wanted to ask you about your same-property guidance. I know it's 5% to 6%. Is that number adjusted for non-recurring items?
Gaurav Mehta: Yeah. Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to ask you on your same-property NOI guidance, 5% to 6%, is that number adjusted for non-recurring items?
Gaurav Mehta: Yeah. Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to ask you on your same-property NOI guidance, 5% to 6%, is that number adjusted for non-recurring items?
Philip R. Mays: Adjusted for?
Philip Mays: Adjusted for?
Speaker #2: Adjusted for.
Speaker #7: Is that number comparable to 7%?
Gaurav Mehta: Is that number comparable to 70%?
Gaurav Mehta: Is that number comparable to 70%?
Philip R. Mays: Well, we always take out lease term fees and unusual items like that. The Q1, if you recall, did have some CAM true-ups, non-recurring items that we include and we leave in because it can happen from time to time. Those are in there.
Philip Mays: Well, we always take out lease term fees and unusual items like that. The Q1, if you recall, did have some CAM true-ups, non-recurring items that we include and we leave in because it can happen from time to time. Those are in there.
Speaker #2: Well, so we always take out lease term fees and unusual items like that. The first quarter, if you recall, did have some comp trucks, non-recurring items.
Speaker #2: That we include and we leave in because it can happen from time to time. So those are in there. But as far as term fees and one-off items like that, we always back out a same property in a while.
Gaurav Mehta: Okay.
Gaurav Mehta: Okay.
Philip R. Mays: As far as term fees and one-off items like that, we always back out of same-property NOI.
Philip Mays: As far as term fees and one-off items like that, we always back out of same-property NOI.
Speaker #7: Okay. And you're preparing remarks, you talked something about the bad debt expense that seemed like it was lower in the comparable period for last year.
Gaurav Mehta: Okay. In your prepared remarks, you talked something about the bad debt expense, which seemed like it was lower in the comparable period for last year. The expectation is that bad expense should be normalized for H2 of this year that goes into same-property NOI?
Gaurav Mehta: Okay. In your prepared remarks, you talked something about the bad debt expense, which seemed like it was lower in the comparable period for last year. The expectation is that bad expense should be normalized for H2 of this year that goes into same-property NOI?
Speaker #7: And so the expectation is that bad expense should be normalized for the second half of this year? That goes into same-property NOI?
Speaker #2: Yeah, so we've generally been running around 100 basis points for bad debt, and it's generally fairly consistent. We did have, just in Q3 of last year, a couple of tenants that were basically fully reserved.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah. We've generally been running around 100 basis points for bad debt, and it's generally fairly consistent. We did have just in Q3 of last year, we had a couple of tenants that were basically fully reserved who got current. We collected that, and it pushed bad debt in Q3 down close to zero. I was just highlighting that only because it makes Q3 a little tougher of a comp going forward on same-store growth. It's just highlighting that so you could see same-store growth moderates a little in Q3, you would know why.
Philip Mays: Yeah. We've generally been running around 100 basis points for bad debt, and it's generally fairly consistent. We did have just in Q3 of last year, we had a couple of tenants that were basically fully reserved who got current. We collected that, and it pushed bad debt in Q3 down close to zero. I was just highlighting that only because it makes Q3 a little tougher of a comp going forward on same-store growth. It's just highlighting that so you could see same-store growth moderates a little in Q3, you would know why.
Speaker #2: Who got current. And so we collected that and it pushed bad debt in the third quarter down close to zero. So that just I was just highlighting that only because it makes the third quarter a little tougher going forward on same store growth.
Speaker #2: And so it was just highlighting that so you could see same-store growth moderates a little in the third quarter. You wouldn't know why.
Gaurav Mehta: Okay, understood. On the balance sheet, your leverage is 5.8 times. In the remarks, you mentioned that there could be further deleveraging of the balance sheet. How should we expect that number to evolve over this year or next year?
Gaurav Mehta: Okay, understood. On the balance sheet, your leverage is 5.8 times. In the remarks, you mentioned that there could be further deleveraging of the balance sheet. How should we expect that number to evolve over this year or next year?
Speaker #7: Okay, understood. On the balance sheet your leverage is 5.8 times in the remarks you mentioned that there could be further deleveraging of the balance sheet.
Speaker #7: So, how should we expect that number to evolve over this year or next year?
Speaker #2: Yeah, so just in the remarks, I was really just referring more to as our same sign not open pipeline. Comes online and we get some rent bumps here on some renewals and some new leasing, just organically with the sign not open pipeline and some leasing that we're working on, it should take it down about a half a term.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah. Just in the remarks, I was really just referring more to as our same signed-not-open pipeline comes online and we get some rent bumps here on some renewals and some new leasing, just organically with the signed-not-open pipeline and some leasing that we're working on, it should take it down about a half a term. I was just referring to that.
Philip Mays: Yeah. Just in the remarks, I was really just referring more to as our same signed-not-open pipeline comes online and we get some rent bumps here on some renewals and some new leasing, just organically with the signed-not-open pipeline and some leasing that we're working on, it should take it down about a half a term. I was just referring to that.
Speaker #2: And I was just referring to that.
Speaker #7: Okay, understood. Thank you. That's all I had.
Gaurav Mehta: Okay, understood. Thank you. That's all I had.
Gaurav Mehta: Okay, understood. Thank you. That's all I had.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Massocca from Riley Securities.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Massocca from Riley Securities.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Masoka from B. Riley Securities.
John Massocca: Good morning.
John Massocca: Good morning.
Speaker #5: Good morning.
Speaker #2: Good morning, John.
John P. Albright: Morning, John.
John Albright: Morning, John.
John Massocca: Maybe sticking with kind of the same-store theme in H2, you kind of mentioned the favorable insurance renewal and property management efficiencies as being tailwinds. Do you lap those at some point here in H2, or is it really going to be kind of a tailwind through the remainder of the year?
Speaker #5: So maybe sticking with kind of the same store theme in the back half of the year—you kind of mentioned the favorable insurance renewal and property management efficiencies as being tailwinds.
John Massocca: Maybe sticking with kind of the same-store theme in H2, you kind of mentioned the favorable insurance renewal and property management efficiencies as being tailwinds. Do you lap those at some point here in H2, or is it really going to be kind of a tailwind through the remainder of the year?
Speaker #5: Do you lap those at some point here in 2H, or is it really going to be kind of a tailwind through the remainder of the year?
Speaker #2: Those two items will be a tailwind for the remainder of the year. The comp gets tougher in the second half for a couple of reasons.
Philip R. Mays: Those two items will be a tailwind for the remainder of the year. The comp gets tougher in H2 for a couple of reasons. One, just the bad debt being basically zero in Q3 last year. The anchor leasing we've been doing is starting to come online. Early in the year, there really wasn't any of those rents in the prior year comparable period. As we kind of move on and get towards the latter part of the year, you have some of those rents
Philip Mays: Those two items will be a tailwind for the remainder of the year. The comp gets tougher in H2 for a couple of reasons. One, just the bad debt being basically zero in Q3 last year. The anchor leasing we've been doing is starting to come online. Early in the year, there really wasn't any of those rents in the prior year comparable period. As we kind of move on and get towards the latter part of the year, you have some of those rents
Speaker #2: One, just the bad debt being basically zero in the third quarter last year. And then, the anchor leasing we've been doing is starting to come online.
Speaker #2: So early in the year, there really weren't any of those rents in the prior year comparable period. As we move on and get towards the latter part of the year, that changes.
Speaker #2: You have some of those rents that had come online in the prior year comparable period, which will make the comp period a little tougher.
Philip R. Mays: That had come online in the prior comparable period that will make the comp period a little tougher. We still fully expect healthy same-store growth for the remainder of the year.
Philip Mays: That had come online in the prior comparable period that will make the comp period a little tougher. We still fully expect healthy same-store growth for the remainder of the year.
Speaker #2: But we still fully expect healthy same-store growth for the remainder of the year.
John Massocca: Okay. Then you mentioned the anchor boxes coming out at around a 75% positive lease spread. I know when you had originally talked about repositioning those assets or re-tenanting those assets, there was higher lease spread was going to translate to a higher CapEx spend. Is that what ended up happening? I guess, for me, how does that change the outlook for your CapEx spend or impact the outlook for your CapEx spend in kind of H2 and maybe into 2027?
John Massocca: Okay. Then you mentioned the anchor boxes coming out at around a 75% positive lease spread. I know when you had originally talked about repositioning those assets or re-tenanting those assets, there was higher lease spread was going to translate to a higher CapEx spend. Is that what ended up happening? I guess, for me, how does that change the outlook for your CapEx spend or impact the outlook for your CapEx spend in kind of H2 and maybe into 2027?
Speaker #5: Okay. And then you mentioned the anchor boxes, coming out at around a 75% positive lease spread. I know when you had originally talked about kind of repositioning those assets or retenting those assets, there was kind of higher to lease spread was going to translate to kind of a higher cap expend.
Speaker #5: Is that what ended up happening? And I guess, I mean, how does that outlook change the outlook for your cap expend or impact the outlook for your cap expend in kind of 2H and maybe into 2027?
Speaker #2: Yeah, so with the two being sold, that leaves nine. Eight of them are leased. We have one left. Those blend it.
Philip R. Mays: Yeah. With the two being sold, that leaves nine. Eight of them are leased. We have the one left. Those blended, we expect it is 75%, maybe even a little higher. We are just on the high end of the CapEx range we originally gave. That has not increased. I think the high end was around $15 million in total, and we will be inside of that. The CapEx is still generally coming in line with the higher end of where we thought it would be. The spreads have just come in better. I think we will be at 75% or potentially we may even get to 80% once we finish the last box.
Philip Mays: Yeah. With the two being sold, that leaves nine. Eight of them are leased. We have the one left. Those blended, we expect it is 75%, maybe even a little higher. We are just on the high end of the CapEx range we originally gave. That has not increased. I think the high end was around $15 million in total, and we will be inside of that. The CapEx is still generally coming in line with the higher end of where we thought it would be. The spreads have just come in better. I think we will be at 75% or potentially we may even get to 80% once we finish the last box.
Speaker #2: We expect it's 75%, maybe even a little higher. And we're just on the high end of the capex range we originally gave. That has not increased.
Speaker #2: I think the high end was around $15 million in total, and we'll be inside of that. So the CapEx is still generally coming in line with the higher end of where we thought it would be.
Speaker #2: The spreads have just come in better. I think we'll be at 75%, or potentially we may even get to 80% once we finish the last box.
John Massocca: Okay. Then, if I think about the difference between what you have done year to date in terms of investments and the pipeline or the guidance that is out there, how much of that is really tangible in the pipeline, and how much of that is maybe more theoretical as you look into late Q3, Q4 today?
John Massocca: Okay. Then, if I think about the difference between what you have done year to date in terms of investments and the pipeline or the guidance that is out there, how much of that is really tangible in the pipeline, and how much of that is maybe more theoretical as you look into late Q3, Q4 today?
Speaker #5: Okay. And then if I think about kind of the remaining investments sorry, the remaining the difference between what you've done year to date in terms of investments and kind of the pipeline or the guidance that's out there, how much of that is kind of really tangible in the pipeline and how much of that is maybe more theoretical as you look into kind of late 3Q, 4Q today?
Speaker #6: Yeah, we feel pretty lucky that we have identified some opportunities that feel like they're very realistic. So pretty much what we have is identifiable.
John P. Albright: Yeah. We feel pretty lucky that we have identified some opportunities that feel like they're very realistic. Pretty much what we have is identifiable.
John Albright: Yeah. We feel pretty lucky that we have identified some opportunities that feel like they're very realistic. Pretty much what we have is identifiable.
John Massocca: Okay. That's it for me. Thank you very much.
John Massocca: Okay. That's it for me. Thank you very much.
Speaker #5: Okay. And that's it for me. Thank you very much.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
John P. Albright: Thanks.
John Albright: Thanks.
Operator: This concludes the question and answer session and our call for today. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.
Operator: This concludes the question and answer session and our call for today. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.
Speaker #1: This concludes the question and answer session and our call for today. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program.
Philip R. Mays: Thanks.
Philip Mays: Thanks.