Q2 2026 Gaming & Leisure Properties Inc Earnings Call
Peter M. Carlino: I don't remember that. I don't remember that all.
Joseph Jaffoni: Oh. It's good. Read your notes. I got it. It's all there.
Speaker #1: Oh, you two both. I got it. It's all there.
Speaker #2: Greetings, and welcome to the Gaming & Leisure Properties second quarter 2026 earnings conference call and webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Operator: Greetings, welcome to the Gaming & Leisure Properties Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Joseph Jaffoni. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Operator: Greetings, welcome to the Gaming & Leisure Properties Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press *0 on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Joe Jaffoni. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press *0 on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the conference over to your host, Joe Jaffoni. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Carrie, and good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining Gaming & Leisure Properties second quarter 2026 earnings call and webcast. The press release distributed yesterday afternoon is available in the Investor Relations section on our website at www.glpropinc.com.
Joseph Jaffoni: Thank you, Carrie, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Gaming & Leisure Properties Q2 2026 earnings call and webcast. The press release distributed yesterday afternoon is available in the investor relations section on our website at www.glpropinc.com. In addition to the Q2 press release, GLPI also posted supplemental earnings presentation, which highlights the events of the quarter, recent developments, and future considerations that can also be accessed at www.glpropinc.com. On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements address matters that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. Forward-looking statements may include those related to revenue, operating income, and financial guidance, as well as non-GAAP financial measures such as FFO and AFFO.
Joe Jaffoni: Thank you, Carrie, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Gaming & Leisure Properties Q2 2026 Earnings Call and Webcast. The press release distributed yesterday afternoon is available in the investor relations section on our website at www.glpropinc.com. In addition to the Q2 press release, GLPI also posted supplemental earnings presentation, which highlights the events of the quarter, recent developments, and future considerations that can also be accessed at www.glpropinc.com.
Speaker #3: In addition to the second quarter press release, GLPI also posted a supplemental earnings presentation, which highlights the events of the quarter, recent developments, and future considerations.
Speaker #3: That can also be accessed at www.glpropinc.com. On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Joe Jaffoni: On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements address matters that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. Forward-looking statements may include those related to revenue, operating income, and financial guidance, as well as non-GAAP financial measures such as FFO and AFFO.
Speaker #3: Forward-looking statements address matters that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to different materially from those discussed today. Forward-looking statements may include those related to revenue, operating income, and financial guidance, as well as non-gap financial measures such as FFO and AFFO.
Speaker #3: As a reminder, forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates and the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to risk factors and forward-looking statements contained in the company's filings with the SEC, including its 10-Q and in the earnings release, as well as the definitions and reconciliations of non-gap financial measures contained in the company's earnings release.
Joseph Jaffoni: As a reminder, forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates, and the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to risk factors and forward-looking statements contained in the company's filings with the SEC, including its 10-Q and in the earnings release, as well as the definitions and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures contained in the company's earnings release. On this morning's call, we are joined by Peter Carlino, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Gaming & Leisure Properties. Also joining today's call are Brandon Moore, President and Chief Operating Officer; Desiree Burke, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer; Steve Ladany, Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer; and Carlo Santarelli, Senior Vice President, Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Peter Carlino. Peter, please go ahead.
Joe Jaffoni: As a reminder, forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates, and the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to risk factors and forward-looking statements contained in the company's filings with the SEC, including its 10-Q and in the earnings release, as well as the definitions and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures contained in the company's earnings release.
Speaker #3: On this morning's call, we are joined by Peter Carlino, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Gaming & Leisure Properties. Also joining today's call are Brandon Moore, President and Chief Operating Officer; Desiree Burke, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer; Steve Ladny, Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer; and Carlos Santorelli, Senior Vice President and Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations.
Joe Jaffoni: On this morning's call, we are joined by Peter Carlino, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Gaming & Leisure Properties. Also joining today's call are Brandon Moore, President and Chief Operating Officer; Desiree Burke, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer; Steve Ladany, Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer; and Carlo Santarelli, Senior Vice President, Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Peter Carlino. Peter, please go ahead.
Speaker #3: With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Peter Carlino. Peter, please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Well, thank you, Joe. And good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us this morning. So we're happy to announce another strong quarter that sees our AFFO expanding 10% year over year.
Peter M. Carlino: Well, thank you, Joe, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning. We're happy to announce another strong quarter that sees our AFFO expanding 10% year-over-year. We anticipate healthy growth in the near and medium term as our pipeline, which you all can see pretty clearly, provides a lot of visibility into the pace of our growth, which continues to remain strong. We believe the environment for continued transaction activity remains healthy, and we're optimistic that this trend will continue through the balance of this year and beyond. Of importance, and I think critical importance during the Q2 is that the regional gaming market remains strong. I hear a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth that suggests that somehow the regional gaming business is weak. It is absolutely not.
Peter Carlino: Well, thank you, Joe, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us this morning. We're happy to announce another strong quarter that sees our AFFO expanding 10% year-over-year. We anticipate healthy growth in the near and medium term as our pipeline, which you all can see pretty clearly, provides a lot of visibility into the pace of our growth, which continues to remain strong. We believe the environment for continued transaction activity remains healthy, and we're optimistic that this trend will continue through the balance of this year and beyond. Of importance, and I think critical importance during the Q2 is that the regional gaming market remains strong. I hear a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth that suggests that somehow the regional gaming business is weak. It is absolutely not.
Speaker #4: And we anticipate healthy growth in the near and medium term, as our pipeline—which you all can see pretty clearly—provides a lot of visibility into the pace of our growth, which continues to remain strong.
Speaker #4: So, we believe the environment for continued transaction activity remains healthy, and we're optimistic that this trend will continue through the balance of this year and beyond.
Speaker #4: Of importance, and I think critically important, during the second quarter is that the regional gaming market remains strong. I hear a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth that suggests that somehow the gaming regional gaming business is weak.
Speaker #4: It is absolutely not. In fact, there's some lovely numbers being produced by some of our tenants, with properties existing and new and expanded. So the operating environment in the regional world is still very, very strong.
Peter M. Carlino: In fact, there's some lovely numbers being produced by some of our tenants with properties existing and new and expanded. The operating environment in the regional world is still very strong. Our tenants are benefiting from good same store growth and return on investment where they have opened new properties or expansion of properties. It's very strong. I have said for many years, and I'll stand by it today, despite all the kvetching in the marketplace, that gaming revenues are bulletproof. You can write that one down. They're bulletproof, and gaming companies just are as stable an investment as exists on the planet. I would also note that, by the way, this quarter, our dividend was increased by 5% to $0.82 per share, bringing our 3-year dividend growth compounded to 4.4%. Our balance sheet remains strong, providing flexibility for ongoing projects.
Peter Carlino: In fact, there's some lovely numbers being produced by some of our tenants with properties existing and new and expanded. The operating environment in the regional world is still very strong. Our tenants are benefiting from good same store growth and return on investment where they have opened new properties or expansion of properties. It's very strong. I have said for many years, and I'll stand by it today, despite all the kvetching in the marketplace, that gaming revenues are bulletproof. You can write that one down. They're bulletproof, and gaming companies just are as stable an investment as exists on the planet. I would also note that, by the way, this quarter, our dividend was increased by 5% to $0.82 per share, bringing our three-year dividend growth compounded to 4.4%.
Speaker #4: Our tenants are benefiting from good same-store growth and return on investment where they have opened new properties or expanded existing properties, so it's very strong.
Speaker #4: I have said for many, many years—and I'll stand by it today, despite all the wrexing in the marketplace—that gaming revenues are bulletproof.
Speaker #4: You can write that one down. They're bulletproof. And gaming companies are just about as stable an investment as exists on the planet. I would also note that, by the way, this quarter our dividend was increased by 5% to $0.82 per share.
Speaker #4: Bringing our three-year dividend growth compounded to 4.4%. So our balance sheet remains strong, providing flexibility for ongoing projects. We can finance everything that we've got announced with what we have available today.
Peter Carlino: Our balance sheet remains strong, providing flexibility for ongoing projects. We can finance everything that we've got announced with what we have available today. We have no need to go to the market if we don't feel like it. Given our progress to date, we feel good, by the way, about H2 2026. H1 has been very strong. With that, we're happy and believe that the company remains well-positioned to continue on the path that we've set. That gives me the great opportunity to turn the microphone over to Desiree, who can't wait to get to you.
Peter M. Carlino: We can finance everything that we've got announced with what we have available today. We have no need to go to the market if we don't feel like it. Given our progress to date, we feel good, by the way, about H2 2026. H1 has been very strong. With that, we're happy and believe that the company remains well-positioned to continue on the path that we've set. That gives me the great opportunity to turn the microphone over to Desiree, who can't wait to get to you.
Speaker #4: We have no need to go to the market if we don't feel like it. Given our progress to date, we feel good, by the way, about the second half of 2026, first half has been very, very strong.
Speaker #4: So with that, we're happy and believe that the company remains well-positioned to continue on the path that we've set. And that gives me the great opportunity to turn the microphone over to Desiree.
Speaker #4: Can't wait to get to you.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Peter. And good morning. For the second quarter of 2026, our total income from real estate exceeded the second quarter of '25 by over $35 million.
Desiree A. Burke: Thanks, Peter, and good morning. For Q2 2026, our total income from real estate exceeded Q2 2025 by over $35 million. The growth was driven by approximately $43 million in increases in cash income resulting from acquisitions and escalations. For Bally's, the acquisition of the Lincoln Real Estate increased our cash income by $14 million. The Chicago lease increased cash income by $9 million, and the Belle Development project increased our cash income by $2.4 million. For Penn, the Joliet, Aurora, and M Resort funding increased cash income by a collective $5.8 million. The Sunland Park strategic acquisition increased cash income by $3.8 million, and the Dry Creek, Ione, and Cordish Virginia loans increased cash income by $4 million. The recognition of escalators and percentage rent adjustments on our leases added approximately $4 million of cash income.
Desiree Burke: Thanks, Peter, and good morning. For Q2 2026, our total income from real estate exceeded Q2 2025 by over $35 million. The growth was driven by approximately $43 million in increases in cash income resulting from acquisitions and escalations. For Bally's, the acquisition of the Lincoln Real Estate increased our cash income by $14 million. The Chicago lease increased cash income by $9 million, and the Belle Development project increased our cash income by $2.4 million. For Penn, the Joliet, Aurora, and M Resort funding increased cash income by a collective $5.8 million. The Sunland Park strategic acquisition increased cash income by $3.8 million, and the Dry Creek, Ione, and Cordish Virginia loans increased cash income by $4 million. The recognition of escalators and percentage rent adjustments on our leases added approximately $4 million of cash income.
Speaker #5: The growth was driven by approximately $43 million in increases in cash income, resulting from acquisitions and escalations. For valleys, the acquisition of the Lincoln Real Estate increased our cash income by $14 million.
Speaker #5: The Chicago Lease increased cash income by $9 million, and the Bell Development Project increased our cash income by $2.4 million. For Penn, the Joliet, Aurora, and M Resort funding increased cash income by a collective $5.8 million.
Speaker #5: The Sunland Parks Strategic Acquisition increased cash income by $3.8 million. And the Dry Creek, Ione, and Cordish Virginia Loans increased cash income by $4 million.
Speaker #5: The recognition of escalators and percentage rent adjustments on our leases added approximately $4 million of cash income. Then, the combination of our non-cash items from revenue growth ups, investment in lease adjustments, and straight-line rent adjustments resulted in a decrease of $7.2 million.
Desiree A. Burke: The combination of our non-cash items from revenue gross-ups, investment and lease adjustments, and straight-line rent adjustments resulted in a decrease of $7.2 million. Our operating expenses decreased by $54 million, mainly due to the non-cash adjustments in the provision for credit losses. We also included in today's release guidance of between $1.219 billion and $1.225 billion, or $4.10 to $4.12 per diluted share and OP unit. The guidance does not include the impact of future transactions. However, it does include additional development funding of approximately $400 to $450 million, which will be funded relatively evenly over the next two quarters, bringing our total development spend to $750 to $800 million, the same as what we projected Q1 2026. From a balance sheet perspective, Peter mentioned that our leverage ratio is at 4.8 times, slightly below our target level of 5 to 5.5 times.
Desiree Burke: The combination of our non-cash items from revenue gross-ups, investment and lease adjustments, and straight-line rent adjustments resulted in a decrease of $7.2 million. Our operating expenses decreased by $54 million, mainly due to the non-cash adjustments in the provision for credit losses. We also included in today's release guidance of between $1.219 billion and $1.225 billion, or $4.10 to $4.12 per diluted share and OP unit. The guidance does not include the impact of future transactions. However, it does include additional development funding of approximately $400 million to $450 million, which will be funded relatively evenly over the next two quarters, bringing our total development spend to $750 million to $800 million, the same as what we projected Q1 2026.
Speaker #5: Our operating expenses decreased by $54 million, mainly due to the non-cash adjustments and the provision for credit losses. We also included in today's release guidance of between $1.219 billion and $1.225 billion, or $4.10 to $4.12 per diluted share in OP unit.
Speaker #5: The guidance does not include the impact of future transactions. However, it does include additional development funding of approximately $400 to $450 million, which will be funded relatively evenly over the next two quarters, bringing our total development spend to $750 to $800 million—the same as what we projected last quarter.
Speaker #5: From a balance sheet perspective, Peter mentioned that our leverage ratio is at 4.8 times, slightly below our target level of 5 to 5.5 times. We did settle our forward contract, issuing 7.6 million shares and raising net proceeds of $351 million.
Desiree Burke: From a balance sheet perspective, Peter mentioned that our leverage ratio is at 4.8x, slightly below our target level of 5x to 5.5x. We did settle our forward contract, issuing 7.6 million shares and raised net proceeds of $351 million. I'll end with a reminder that our significant development projects pay us cash income upon funding, and our rent coverage on our master leases ranged from 158 to 246 this Q2 2026, as of the Q1 2026 end, that is. With that, I'll turn it back to Peter.
Desiree A. Burke: We did settle our forward contract, issuing 7.6 million shares and raised net proceeds of $351 million. I'll end with a reminder that our significant development projects pay us cash income upon funding, and our rent coverage on our master leases ranged from 158 to 246 this Q2 2026, as of the Q1 2026 end, that is. With that, I'll turn it back to Peter.
Speaker #5: I'll end with a reminder that our significant development projects pay us cash income upon funding, and our rent coverage on our master leases ranged from $1.58 to $2.46 this quarter, as of the prior quarter-end, that is.
Speaker #5: With that, I'll turn it back to Peter.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Desiree. Yeah, look, I hope this highlights that we feel the company's in a terrific position. Scarcely ever been better. So we're very positive here as we sit around this table with the what we have in front of us.
Peter M. Carlino: Thanks, Desiree. Yeah, look, I hope this highlights that we feel the company's in a terrific position. Scarcely ever been better. We're very positive here as we sit around this table with what we have in front of us. With that, let's get to your questions. Carrie, please go ahead.
Peter Carlino: Thanks, Desiree. Yeah, look, I hope this highlights that we feel the company's in a terrific position. Scarcely ever been better. We're very positive here as we sit around this table with what we have in front of us. With that, let's get to your questions. Carrie, please go ahead.
Speaker #4: So with that, let's get to your questions. Carrie, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
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Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press *1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press *2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question will come from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley.
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Speaker #2: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question will come from Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley.
Speaker #6: Hey, great. Just two quick ones. Obviously, there's been a lot of news about some of the operators, potentially going private. And so forth, in the industry.
Ronald Kamdem: Hey, great. Just two quick ones. Obviously, there's been a lot of news about some of the operators potentially going private and so forth in the industry. Would just love to hear some thoughts just from your perspective, how are you thinking about the impact of GLPI? How do you think about this trend overall for the industry? Any color there would be helpful. Thanks.
Ronald Kamdem: Hey, great. Just two quick ones. Obviously, there's been a lot of news about some of the operators potentially going private and so forth in the industry. Would just love to hear some thoughts just from your perspective, how are you thinking about the impact of GLPI? How do you think about this trend overall for the industry? Any color there would be helpful. Thanks.
Speaker #6: We'd just love to hear some thoughts from your perspective. How are you thinking about the impact of GLPI? How do you think about this trend overall for the industry?
Speaker #6: Any color there would be helpful. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Sure. I want to take that.
Peter M. Carlino: Sure. Who wants to take that?
Peter Carlino: Sure. Who wants to take that?
Speaker #6: Hey, Ron. This is Carlo. So look, I mean, obviously, two larger operators that have announced would be effectively take private transactions. We have no relationship with MGM, Caesars.
Carlo Santarelli: Hey, Ron. This is Carlo. Look, obviously two larger operators that have announced what would be effectively take private transactions. We have no relationship with MGM. Caesars, we do have a relatively small portfolio that's about 7% of our cash rent. I think the biggest thing that it shows is something we've believed all along, which is that the gaming business and the operator business in the public markets has been undervalued. I think from our perspective, that's been pleasant to see that others kind of view similarly. I'll turn it over to Steve to talk about what he thinks it could mean for us from an opportunistic standpoint.
Carlo Santarelli: Hey, Ron. This is Carlo. Look, obviously two larger operators that have announced what would be effectively take private transactions. We have no relationship with MGM. Caesars, we do have a relatively small portfolio that's about 7% of our cash rent. I think the biggest thing that it shows is something we've believed all along, which is that the gaming business and the operator business in the public markets has been undervalued. I think from our perspective, that's been pleasant to see that others kind of view similarly. I'll turn it over to Steve to talk about what he thinks it could mean for us from an opportunistic standpoint.
Speaker #6: We do have a relatively small portfolio that's about 7% of our cash that it shows is something we believed all along, which is that the business, the gaming business and the operator business in the public markets has been undervalued.
Speaker #6: So, I think from our perspective, that's been pleasant to see that others kind of view it similarly. I'll turn it over to Steve to talk about what he thinks it could mean for us from an opportunistic standpoint.
Speaker #4: Yeah, that's fine. I don't think that there's a I don't think there's any reasonable there's not a reason to believe that there will be definitive M&A that will fall out of those transactions.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, that's fine. I don't think there's not a reason to believe that there will be definitive M&A that will fall out of those transactions. In other words, I don't think there are set divestitures that will be required to occur or meaningful divestitures that either of the potential buyers will require to occur. I think from our perspective, we have a phone. We're happy to answer it whenever someone calls. We have dialogue with our tenant there, and we would be receptive to any discussions if there were certain avenues they were pursuing or things they were interested in discussing. I think as a base case, we are not assuming that there's derivative M&A that comes out of this.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, that's fine. I don't think there's not a reason to believe that there will be definitive M&A that will fall out of those transactions. In other words, I don't think there are set divestitures that will be required to occur or meaningful divestitures that either of the potential buyers will require to occur. I think from our perspective, we have a phone. We're happy to answer it whenever someone calls. We have dialogue with our tenant there, and we would be receptive to any discussions if there were certain avenues they were pursuing or things they were interested in discussing. I think as a base case, we are not assuming that there's derivative M&A that comes out of this.
Speaker #4: In other words, I don't think there are set divestitures that will be required to occur, or meaningful divestitures that either of the potential buyers will require to occur.
Speaker #4: So, I think from our perspective, we have a phone, we're happy to answer it whenever someone calls. We have dialogued with our tenant there, and we would be receptive to any discussions if there were.
Speaker #4: Certain avenues they were pursuing or things they were interested in discussing. But I think as a base case, we are not assuming that there's derivative M&A that comes out of this.
Speaker #6: Great. Helpful. And then if I can ask, just as the second one, just one more specific on the guidance, the 4 to 450 million.
Ronald Kamdem: Great, helpful. If I can ask, just as the second one, just one more specific on the guidance, the $400 to $450 million, is that? Obviously, it sounds like a big piece of that's going to be Bally's, but is some of that the Live! Virginia project as well? Just any color there. If I could take a step back and just ask a broader question on your pipeline and how that's changed given what we've seen with the 10-year Treasury movement. Thanks so much.
Ronald Kamdem: Great, helpful. If I can ask, just as the second one, just one more specific on the guidance, the $400 million to $450 million, is that? Obviously, it sounds like a big piece of that's going to be Bally's, but is some of that the Virginia Live! Project as well? Just any color there. If I could take a step back and just ask a broader question on your pipeline and how that's changed given what we've seen with the 10-year Treasury movement. Thanks so much.
Speaker #6: Is that obviously, it sounds like a big piece of that's going to be Valley's, s, but is some of that the live Virginia project as well, just any color there?
Speaker #6: And if I could take a step back and just ask a broader question on your pipeline, and how that's changed given what we've seen with the 10-year movement.
Speaker #6: Thanks so much.
Speaker #5: I'll start with the beginning of your question. Yes, the $400 to $450 million includes Chicago, Ione, Dry Creek, and Virginia projects. So all four are included in our guidance.
Desiree A. Burke: I'll start with the beginning of your question. Yes, the $400 to $450 million includes Chicago, Ione Dry Creek, and Virginia projects. All four are included in our guidance, and they are all moving forward and we expect to put money out during 2026. As for the second part of your project, I will turn it over to Steve.
Desiree Burke: I'll start with the beginning of your question. Yes, the $400 million to $450 million includes Chicago, Ione Dry Creek, and Virginia projects. All four are included in our guidance, and they are all moving forward and we expect to put money out during 2026. As for the second part of your project, I will turn it over to Steve.
Speaker #5: And they are all moving forward and expect to have we expect to put money out during 2026. As for the second part of your project, I will turn it over to Steve.
Speaker #4: Yeah. With respect to the 10-year treasury, that's what you were asking about?
Steven L. Ladany: With respect to the 10-year Treasury, that's what you were asking about?
Steve Ladany: With respect to the 10-year Treasury, that's what you were asking about?
Speaker #6: Yeah, and how that's potentially impacting, sort of, the pipeline and conversations. Thanks so much.
Ronald Kamdem: Yeah.
Ronald Kamdem: Yeah. How that's potentially impacting sort of the pipeline and conversations. Thanks so much.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah.
Ronald Kamdem: How that's potentially impacting sort of the pipeline and conversations. Thanks so much.
Speaker #4: Yeah, no problem. So, with respect to the existing pipeline, obviously there's no real impact. We're committed to provide that capital, and we will provide it.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, no problem. With respect to the existing pipeline, obviously, there's no real impact. We're committed to provide that capital, and we will provide it. With respect to future potential transactions and things we're talking to folks about, I think it's a double-edged sword in that obviously it impacts our cost of debt and our borrowing costs. That is a factor that weighs into where we could price potential transactions. I think the opposite end of that pendulum is that it does because borrowing costs are going up not only for us, but also for operators, I think it does create another level of discussion and a little more interest as far as people seeking out alternative financing routes, as they move forward with their capitalization.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, no problem. With respect to the existing pipeline, obviously, there's no real impact. We're committed to provide that capital, and we will provide it. With respect to future potential transactions and things we're talking to folks about, I think it's a double-edged sword in that obviously it impacts our cost of debt and our borrowing costs. That is a factor that weighs into where we could price potential transactions. I think the opposite end of that pendulum is that it does because borrowing costs are going up not only for us, but also for operators, I think it does create another level of discussion and a little more interest as far as people seeking out alternative financing routes, as they move forward with their capitalization.
Speaker #4: With respect to future potential transactions and things we're talking to folks about, I think it's a double-edged sword in that, obviously, it impacts our cost of debt and our borrowing cost.
Speaker #4: So that is a factor that weighs into where we could price potential transactions. I think the opposite end of that pendulum is that it does because borrowing costs are going up, not only for us, but also for operators, I think it does create another level of discussion and a little more interest as far as people seeking out alternative financing routes as they move forward with their capitalization.
Speaker #6: Great, that's it for me. Thank you.
Ronald Kamdem: Great. That's it from me. Thank you.
Ronald Kamdem: Great. That's it from me. Thank you.
Speaker #2: And our next question will come from Greg McGuinness with Scotiabank.
Operator: Our next question will come from Greg McGinnis with Scotiabank.
Operator: Our next question will come from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank.
Speaker #7: Hey, good morning. Thank you. I was hoping you just touch on the Rockford loan extension and what the option for the building improvements would look like in terms of how you would execute on that option, what the amount might be.
Greg McGinnis: Hey, good morning. Thank you. I was hoping you could just touch on the Rockford loan extension and what the option for the building improvements would look like in terms of how you would execute on that option, what the amount might be. Thank you.
Greg McGinnis: Hey, good morning. Thank you. I was hoping you could just touch on the Rockford loan extension and what the option for the building improvements would look like in terms of how you would execute on that option, what the amount might be. Thank you.
Speaker #7: Thank you. Yes. Greg, I don't think we're going to get too much into the details on the option piece, but look, I mean, that was a $150 million loan.
Carlo Santarelli: Yes, Greg, I don't think we're going to get too much into the details on the option piece, look, I mean, that was a $150 million loan. It's good yield for us. The property is ramping nicely. You could all see the GGR results, obviously. That property has been very well-received. The City of Rockford has announced plans to put a hotel around the site, which should only further kind of help that property ramp. I think just in talking with the partner, and Steve could perhaps opine more on this, it just felt like a good move for us to kind of let that money roll forward, while also kind of cementing that option on the building down the road.
Carlo Santarelli: Yes, Greg, I don't think we're going to get too much into the details on the option piece, look, I mean, that was a $150 million loan. It's good yield for us. The property is ramping nicely. You could all see the GGR results, obviously. That property has been very well-received. The City of Rockford has announced plans to put a hotel around the site, which should only further kind of help that property ramp. I think just in talking with the partner, and Steve could perhaps opine more on this, it just felt like a good move for us to kind of let that money roll forward, while also kind of cementing that option on the building down the road.
Speaker #7: It's good yield for us. The property is ramping nicely. You could all see the GGR results. Obviously, that property has been very well received.
Speaker #7: The city of Rockford has announced plans to put a hotel around the site, which should only further help that property ramp. So I think, just in talking with the partner, and Steve could perhaps opine more on this.
Speaker #7: It just felt like a good move for us to kind of let that money roll forward. While also kind of cementing that option on the building down the road.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I think, look, obviously the partner would prefer not to sell the building improvements to us down the line. So, obviously, that's an item that we'll see.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, I think, look, obviously the partner would prefer to not sell the building improvements to us down the line. Obviously that's an item that we'll see where we land as we get further into the loan term. I think the reality is, they're excited about the property. The GGR continues to perform. We're comfortable with the loan, therefore it just made sense for us to roll it, at that rate.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, I think, look, obviously the partner would prefer to not sell the building improvements to us down the line. Obviously that's an item that we'll see where we land as we get further into the loan term. I think the reality is, they're excited about the property. The GGR continues to perform. We're comfortable with the loan, therefore it just made sense for us to roll it, at that rate.
Speaker #4: Where we land as we get further into this into the loan term. But I think the reality is they're excited about the property. The GGR continues to perform.
Speaker #4: We're comfortable with the loan and therefore it just made sense for us to roll it at that rate.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thanks. And then on the financing side, potential acquisitions, leverage is low relative to the range that you guys typically target. Cost equity is a little expensive versus where I'm sure you'd like it to be.
Greg McGinnis: Okay, thanks. Then, on the financing side and potential acquisitions, leverage is low relative to the range that you guys typically target. Cost of equity is a little expensive versus where I'm sure you'd like it to be. Should we expect that any potential acquisitions or investments will just be funded with leverage at this point?
Greg McGinnis: Okay, thanks. Then, on the financing side and potential acquisitions, leverage is low relative to the range that you guys typically target. Cost of equity is a little expensive versus where I'm sure you'd like it to be. Should we expect that any potential acquisitions or investments will just be funded with leverage at this point?
Speaker #7: Should we expect that any potential acquisitions or investments will just be funded with leverage at this point?
Speaker #5: I really think it depends on what the opportunity is. Obviously, we will be pricing in our cost of capital to any opportunity that we decide to anything we decide to acquire.
Desiree A. Burke: I really think it depends on what the opportunity is. Obviously, we will be pricing in our cost of capital to any opportunity that we decide to acquire. I wouldn't just assume we're always going to use debt for now. I think we'd have to price in our cost of equity if it was a larger transaction.
Desiree Burke: I really think it depends on what the opportunity is. Obviously, we will be pricing in our cost of capital to any opportunity that we decide to acquire. I wouldn't just assume we're always going to use debt for now. I think we'd have to price in our cost of equity if it was a larger transaction.
Speaker #5: I wouldn't just assume we're always going to use debt for now. I think we'd have to price in our cost of equity. If it was a larger transaction.
Speaker #7: Yeah. Look, our business, of course, is a spread to our cost. And in some of the yields that we're able to attain, because of the skills and capabilities that we bring to the table—the development ability and understanding construction, willingness to do some things maybe some others are less well-equipped to do—we can command a price that gives us the margin that we need.
Peter M. Carlino: Yeah, look, our business of course, is a spread to our costs. Some of the yields that we're able to attain because of the skills and capabilities that we bring to the table, the development ability and understanding construction, willingness to do some things maybe some others are less well equipped to do. We can command a price that gives us the margin that we need. It's deal by deal. I think Desiree answered it perfectly well. We're not going to do it. I underscore again, you won't be seeing us doing anything crazy.
Peter Carlino: Yeah, look, our business of course, is a spread to our costs. Some of the yields that we're able to attain because of the skills and capabilities that we bring to the table, the development ability and understanding construction, willingness to do some things maybe some others are less well equipped to do. We can command a price that gives us the margin that we need. It's deal by deal. I think Desiree answered it perfectly well. We're not going to do it. I underscore again, you won't be seeing us doing anything crazy.
Speaker #7: So it's steel by deal. I think Desiree answered it perfectly well. We're not going to do it. And I underscore again, we won't be—you won't be seen as doing anything crazy.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thank you.
Greg McGinnis: Okay. Thank you.
Greg McGinnis: Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #2: We'll go next to Brad Heffern with RBC.
Operator: We'll go next to Brad Heffern with RBC.
Operator: We'll go next to Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets.
Speaker #6: Yeah, everybody, thanks. There's obviously been this fight over VGTs in Chicago. Can you talk about if you expect that to have a meaningful impact on the Bally's Chicago project one way or another?
Brad Heffern: Yeah. Hey, everybody. Thanks. There's obviously been this fight over VGTs in Chicago. Can you talk about if you expect that to have a meaningful impact on the Bally's Chicago project one way or another, and if it would have affected your underwriting?
Brad Heffern: Yeah. Hey, everybody. Thanks. There's obviously been this fight over VGTs in Chicago. Can you talk about if you expect that to have a meaningful impact on the Bally's Chicago project one way or another, and if it would have affected your underwriting?
Speaker #6: And if it would have affected your underwriting?
Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks, Brad. So the VGTs, quite frankly, were in our underwriting. It's Chicago, it's Illinois, it's been it's a very long, obviously, relationship that we will have with that asset.
Carlo Santarelli: Yeah, thanks, Brad. The VGTs, quite frankly, were in our underwriting. It's Chicago, it's Illinois. It's a very long, obviously, relationship that we will have with that asset. Clearly, you could imagine everything and anything would've been in our underwriting. The thing I will point out is, I read something recently. I believe there's about 7,000 sweepstakes machines already in that market. To believe that this type of gaming wasn't already taking place, I think would be naive. Clearly, Bally's is going through some things right now with the city as it relates to how this impacts some of the agreements that they've previously come to. In our view, the VGT concept was included in our underwriting, and another thing that was included in our underwriting also was Hawthorne, which seems to not be coming to fruition.
Carlo Santarelli: Yeah, thanks, Brad. The VGTs, quite frankly, were in our underwriting. It's Chicago, it's Illinois. It's a very long, obviously, relationship that we will have with that asset. Clearly, you could imagine everything and anything would've been in our underwriting. The thing I will point out is, I read something recently. I believe there's about 7,000 sweepstakes machines already in that market. To believe that this type of gaming wasn't already taking place, I think would be naive. Clearly, Bally's is going through some things right now with the city as it relates to how this impacts some of the agreements that they've previously come to. In our view, the VGT concept was included in our underwriting, and another thing that was included in our underwriting also was Hawthorne, which seems to not be coming to fruition.
Speaker #7: So, clearly, you could imagine everything and anything would have been in our underwriting. The thing I will point out is I read something recently—I believe there are about 7,000 sweepstakes machines already in that market.
Speaker #7: So to believe that this type of be naive. Clearly, Valley's is going through some things right now with the city as it relates to how this impacts some of the agreements that they've previously come to.
Speaker #7: But in our view, this the VGT concept was included in our underwriting and another thing that was included in our underwriting also was Hawthorne, which seems to not be coming to fruition.
Speaker #7: So, I would say that the puts and takes there are pretty benign overall.
Carlo Santarelli: I would say that the puts and takes there are pretty benign overall.
Carlo Santarelli: I would say that the puts and takes there are pretty benign overall.
Speaker #6: Okay. Thanks for that, Carlo. And then, on the Las Vegas stadium site, can you give an update there? If and when do you expect your remaining committed capital to be used?
Brad Heffern: Okay. Thanks for that, Carlo. On the Las Vegas Stadium site, can you give an update there, if and when you expect your remaining committed capital to be used? If you have any more thoughts about participating in a larger project there sometime down the line.
Brad Heffern: Okay. Thanks for that, Carlo. On the Las Vegas Stadium site, can you give an update there, if and when you expect your remaining committed capital to be used? If you have any more thoughts about participating in a larger project there sometime down the line.
Speaker #6: And then, if you have any more thoughts about participating in a larger project there sometime down the line.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I can take that one. I think the timing of the 125 is somewhat uncertain still. The stadium is proceeding quite nicely. I think you would hear from the A's that the stadium's ahead of schedule.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, I can take that one. I think the timing of the $125 is somewhat uncertain still. The stadium is proceeding quite nicely. I think you would hear from the A's that the stadium's ahead of schedule. We've had the opportunity to visit that stadium, at least Peter and I this year. I think it'll be a spectacular event venue, and that will drive a lot of value to the site. We're keeping an eye on it. Bally's is coming close, I think, to a more concrete plan for some of the critical infrastructure that needs to support the stadium. By that I mean access ways, the podium, utility conduits, things like that. There may be an opportunity for us to invest more in that property and some of that key critical infrastructure. We'll take a look at that when that time comes.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, I can take that one. I think the timing of the $125 is somewhat uncertain still. The stadium is proceeding quite nicely. I think you would hear from the A's that the stadium's ahead of schedule. We've had the opportunity to visit that stadium, at least Peter and I this year. I think it'll be a spectacular event venue, and that will drive a lot of value to the site. We're keeping an eye on it. Bally's is coming close, I think, to a more concrete plan for some of the critical infrastructure that needs to support the stadium. By that I mean access ways, the podium, utility conduits, things like that. There may be an opportunity for us to invest more in that property and some of that key critical infrastructure. We'll take a look at that when that time comes.
Speaker #4: And we've had the opportunity to visit that stadium, at least Peter and I this year. And I think it'll be a spectacular event venue.
Speaker #4: And that will drive a lot of value to the site. So we're keeping an eye on it. Valley's is coming close, I think, to a more concrete plan for some of the critical infrastructure that needs to support the stadium.
Speaker #4: And by that, I mean access ways, the podium, utility conduits, things like that. And there may be an opportunity for us to invest more in that property and some of that key critical infrastructure.
Speaker #4: And we'll take a look at that when the time comes. But I don't think we're prepared at the present time to commit to anything over the 125.
Steven L. Ladany: I don't think we're prepared at the present time to commit to anything over the $125. We'll continue to work with Bally's and see if that makes sense.
Steve Ladany: I don't think we're prepared at the present time to commit to anything over the $125. We'll continue to work with Bally's and see if that makes sense.
Speaker #4: And we'll continue to work with Bally's and see if that makes sense.
Speaker #6: Okay. Thank you.
Brad Heffern: Okay. Thank you.
Brad Heffern: Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #2: And we'll go next to Barry Jonas with Truist Securities.
Operator: We'll go next to Barry Jonas with Truist Securities.
Operator: We'll go next to Barry Jonas with Truist Securities.
Speaker #8: Hey guys, Churchill Downs formally announced they're exploring the sale of most of their gaming assets, and I believe they said they're looking to execute in the coming months.
Barry Jonas: Hey, guys. Churchill Downs formally announced they're exploring the sale of most of their gaming assets, and I believe they said they're looking to execute in the coming months. Just curious if that's something you're looking at in conjunction with or without specific tenants at this time.
Barry Jonas: Hey, guys. Churchill Downs formally announced they're exploring the sale of most of their gaming assets, and I believe they said they're looking to execute in the coming months. Just curious if that's something you're looking at in conjunction with or without specific tenants at this time.
Speaker #8: Just curious if that's something you're looking at in conjunction with, or without, specific tenants at this time.
Speaker #4: Yes, it's something that we're aware of. I think any broader process that's run, we will definitely be involved and will definitely take a look.
Steven L. Ladany: Yes, it's something that we're aware of. I think any broader process that's run, we'll definitely be involved, and we'll definitely take a look. I would assume that most of the processes, you're not supposed to be working with anyone in particular per your NDA. I can't speak to any discussions that may or may not be happening on those fronts. I can tell you that we're definitely aware of the assets. We've spoken with various folks that are involved in that process. We will see how it proceeds. There are assets there that are quality assets.
Steve Ladany: Yes, it's something that we're aware of. I think any broader process that's run, we'll definitely be involved, and we'll definitely take a look. I would assume that most of the processes, you're not supposed to be working with anyone in particular per your NDA. I can't speak to any discussions that may or may not be happening on those fronts. I can tell you that we're definitely aware of the assets. We've spoken with various folks that are involved in that process. We will see how it proceeds. There are assets there that are quality assets.
Speaker #4: I would assume that, for most of these processes, you're not supposed to be working with anyone in particular per your NDA. So I can't speak to any discussions that may or may not be happening on those fronts.
Speaker #4: But I can tell you that we're definitely aware of the assets. We've spoken with various folks who are involved in that process, and we will see how it proceeds.
Speaker #4: There are assets there that are quality assets. There are other assets that are maybe a little more challenging. But at the same time, depending on whether it's an existing tenant that we have a relationship with that finds value in certain assets, or, more importantly—or equally as important—potential new tenant relationships that might find interest in certain assets, whether it's because of ability to cross-manage and garner synergies or the like, we're willing to have discussions with anybody and see if there's paths forward on various levels.
Steven L. Ladany: There are other assets that are maybe a little more challenging. At the same time, depending on whether it's an existing tenant that we have a relationship with that finds value in certain assets or, more importantly or equally as important, potential new tenant relationships that might find interest in certain assets, whether it's because of ability to cross-manage and garner synergies or the like. We're willing to have discussions with anybody and see if there's paths forward on various levels.
Steve Ladany: There are other assets that are maybe a little more challenging. At the same time, depending on whether it's an existing tenant that we have a relationship with that finds value in certain assets or, more importantly or equally as important, potential new tenant relationships that might find interest in certain assets, whether it's because of ability to cross-manage and garner synergies or the like. We're willing to have discussions with anybody and see if there's paths forward on various levels.
Speaker #8: Oh, that's really helpful. And then, just as a follow-up, I think this week a large casino operator kind of voiced increasing optimism for iGaming legislation to pass this year.
Barry Jonas: That's really helpful. Just as a follow-up. I think this week, a large casino operator, they kind of voiced increasing optimism for iGaming legislation to pass this year. They cited Virginia, Maryland, and Indiana. You guys have been certainly vocal with your views on iGaming. Just curious if you share that view on those states or just in general iGaming legalization in the near term. Thank you.
Barry Jonas: That's really helpful. Just as a follow-up. I think this week, a large casino operator, they kind of voiced increasing optimism for iGaming legislation to pass this year. They cited Virginia, Maryland, and Indiana. You guys have been certainly vocal with your views on iGaming. Just curious if you share that view on those states or just in general iGaming legalization in the near term. Thank you.
Speaker #8: They stated Virginia, Maryland, and Indiana. You guys have been certainly vocal with your views on iGaming, but I'm just curious if you share that view on those states specifically, or just in general on iGaming legalization in the near term.
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Speaker #4: So, with respect to the three states you mentioned, I agree that there is legislation moving in those states and there does seem to be some momentum.
Steven L. Ladany: With respect to the three states you mentioned, I agree that there is legislation moving in those states. There does seem to be some momentum, whether or not that'll get across the finish line is unclear. I think from a broader level, predictive markets, sports betting, it's all coming under some level of attack in a lot of states, both when it comes to predictive markets, certainly the federal level, and even sports betting on the state level where people have started to take a closer look at some of the social ills that are occurring in certain demographics from online gaming and sports betting. I think that's garnering a lot of attention in a lot of states.
Steve Ladany: With respect to the three states you mentioned, I agree that there is legislation moving in those states. There does seem to be some momentum, whether or not that'll get across the finish line is unclear. I think from a broader level, predictive markets, sports betting, it's all coming under some level of attack in a lot of states, both when it comes to predictive markets, certainly the federal level, and even sports betting on the state level where people have started to take a closer look at some of the social ills that are occurring in certain demographics from online gaming and sports betting. I think that's garnering a lot of attention in a lot of states.
Speaker #4: But whether or not that'll get across the finish line is unclear. I think from a broader level, prediction markets and sports betting are all coming under some level of attack in a lot of states—both when it comes to prediction markets, certainly at the federal level, and even sports betting at the state level—where people have started to take a closer look at some of the social ills that are occurring in certain demographics.
Speaker #4: Online gaming and sports betting. And I think that's garnering a lot of attention in a lot of states. And I think in the three states you mentioned, that's still a hot topic of conversation as to what impact allowing mobile and social type gaming what impact that's having on certain segments of the population.
Steven L. Ladany: I think in the three states you mentioned, that's still a hot topic of conversation as to what impact allowing mobile and social type gaming, what impact that's having on certain segments of the population. I know depending on who you talk to, people are either overly optimistic that they can expand iGaming or overly optimistic that they can put an end to iGaming. I think both arguments have some momentum in different areas. In the three states you mentioned, I would agree, some momentum toward iGaming. On balance, I think you'll see most states are proceeding very cautiously with increased online gaming.
Steve Ladany: I think in the three states you mentioned, that's still a hot topic of conversation as to what impact allowing mobile and social type gaming, what impact that's having on certain segments of the population. I know depending on who you talk to, people are either overly optimistic that they can expand iGaming or overly optimistic that they can put an end to iGaming. I think both arguments have some momentum in different areas. In the three states you mentioned, I would agree, some momentum toward iGaming. On balance, I think you'll see most states are proceeding very cautiously with increased online gaming.
Speaker #4: And so I know, depending on who you talk to, people are either overly optimistic that they can expand iGaming or overly optimistic that they can put an end to iGaming.
Speaker #4: I think both arguments have some momentum in different areas. And the three states you mentioned, I would agree—some momentum toward iGaming, but on balance, I think you'll see most states are proceeding very, very cautiously with increased online gaming.
Speaker #8: Perfect. Thank you for that.
Barry Jonas: Perfect. Thank you for that.
Barry Jonas: Perfect. Thank you for that.
Speaker #2: Our next question will come from Smeads Rose with City.
Operator: Our next question will come from Smedes Rose with Citi.
Operator: Our next question will come from Smedes Rose with Citi.
Speaker #8: Hi, thank you. You provided an update on the Las Vegas opportunity, and I was just wondering if there are any updates you can provide on the New York opportunity with Bally's at this juncture.
Smedes Rose: Hi, thank you. You provided an update on the Las Vegas opportunity, I was just wondering if there are any updates you can provide on the New York opportunity with Bally's at this juncture.
Smedes Rose: Hi, thank you. You provided an update on the Las Vegas opportunity, I was just wondering if there are any updates you can provide on the New York opportunity with Bally's at this juncture.
Speaker #4: From our perspective, not much has changed on Valley's New York. We remain optimistic that that's going to be a positive and creative project for the Valley's team.
Steven L. Ladany: From our perspective, not much has changed on Bally's New York. We remain optimistic that that's going to be a positive and accretive project for the Bally's team. I don't think it makes a lot of sense for us to be involved with our cost of capital in the front end of that project, I think that's something Bally's knows and we know. We remain close to them, and there could be opportunity sneaks for us as that continues. We do have a ROFR in New York on certain aspects, I think it's way too early in that process, they're pulling together their financing and construction financing, cost of capital and those things for us to really know what kind of role we'll play. We'll stay close to it.
Steve Ladany: From our perspective, not much has changed on Bally's New York. We remain optimistic that that's going to be a positive and accretive project for the Bally's team. I don't think it makes a lot of sense for us to be involved with our cost of capital in the front end of that project, I think that's something Bally's knows and we know. We remain close to them, and there could be opportunity sneaks for us as that continues. We do have a ROFR in New York on certain aspects, I think it's way too early in that process, they're pulling together their financing and construction financing, cost of capital and those things for us to really know what kind of role we'll play. We'll stay close to it.
Speaker #4: I don't think it makes a lot of sense for us to be involved with our cost of capital at the front end of that project.
Speaker #4: And I think that's something Valley's knows and we know. We remain close to them. And there could be opportunities, Smeads, for us as that continues.
Speaker #4: We do have a rover in New York on certain aspects, but I think it's way too early in that process. They're pulling together their financing and construction financing, cost of capital, and those things for us to really know what kind of role we'll play.
Speaker #4: But we'll stay close to it. I think we remain interested in being a part of New York if it's the right part and it's something we can do at an accretive level.
Steven L. Ladany: I think we remain interested in being a part of New York if it's the right part, and it's something we can do at an accretive level.
Steve Ladany: I think we remain interested in being a part of New York if it's the right part, and it's something we can do at an accretive level.
Speaker #8: Okay. Okay. And then I just wanted to ask—you mentioned last quarter a few challenges at the Tropicana in Atlantic City, and it looks like the coverage there ticked down just a tiny bit.
Smedes Rose: Okay. I just wanted to ask you, last quarter you had mentioned a few challenges at the Tropicana in Atlantic City, and it looks like the coverage there ticked down just a tiny bit. I realize it's still strong, but any sort of issues or updates you can provide on that property?
Smedes Rose: Okay. I just wanted to ask you, last quarter you had mentioned a few challenges at the Tropicana in Atlantic City, and it looks like the coverage there ticked down just a tiny bit. I realize it's still strong, but any sort of issues or updates you can provide on that property?
Speaker #8: I mean, it's still—realize it's still strong. But any sort of issues, or challenges, or updates you can provide on that property?
Speaker #4: No, I mean, I think you did have that one challenge in the quarter, which would have been the calendar for Q2 '25 coming in at that point.
Carlo Santarelli: No. I think you did have that one challenging quarter, which would've been the calendar Q4 2025 coming in at that point. What I saw when you look at it sequentially is stability as you move through Q1. Looking at the results from the likes of Caesars and Boyd and even Churchill from their regional properties in Q2, and remember, we're reporting those coverages one quarter in arrears, we won't see that until we report Q3. Looking at the Q2 trends and the performance of each of those tenants that I just mentioned, I think that there should be a nice tailwind in their operations and certainly things have strengthened for those operators in the regional markets. I think broadly speaking, that's a pretty good leading indicator for us as we look ahead.
Carlo Santarelli: No. I think you did have that one challenging quarter, which would've been the calendar Q4 2025 coming in at that point. What I saw when you look at it sequentially is stability as you move through Q1. Looking at the results from the likes of Caesars and Boyd and even Churchill from their regional properties in Q2, and remember, we're reporting those coverages one quarter in arrears, we won't see that until we report Q3. Looking at the Q2 trends and the performance of each of those tenants that I just mentioned, I think that there should be a nice tailwind in their operations and certainly things have strengthened for those operators in the regional markets. I think broadly speaking, that's a pretty good leading indicator for us as we look ahead.
Speaker #4: What I saw when you look at it sequentially is stability as you move through the first quarter. Looking at the results from the likes of Caesars and Boyd and even Churchill from the regional properties in the second quarter.
Speaker #4: And remember, we're reporting those coverages one quarter in arrears. So we won't see that until we report three Q. But looking at the two Q trends and the performance of each of those tenants that I just mentioned, I think there should be a nice tailwind.
Speaker #4: In their operations, and certainly things have strengthened for those operators in the regional markets. So I think, broadly speaking, that's a pretty good leading indicator for us as we look ahead.
Speaker #8: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Smedes Rose: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Smedes Rose: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Carlo Santarelli: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Carlo Santarelli: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker #2: We'll go next to David Katz with Jefferies.
Operator: We'll go next to David Katz with Jefferies.
Operator: We'll go next to David Katz with Jefferies.
Speaker #7: Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. So, to that very same comment you just made, Carlo, we are seeing some real strength out of regional gaming.
David Katz: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. To that very same comment you just made, Carlo, we are seeing some real strength out of regional gaming, and I'm curious to get your collective perspective on whether that is economically driven, macroeconomically driven, whether that's a function of some of the smarter operators having put forth some capital into their properties and improved their value proposition which we've seen pretty broadly, including the one company, Peter, you founded. What is the driver of that and what gives you that confidence that a year from now we're still going to be having that same conversation?
David Katz: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. To that very same comment you just made, Carlo, we are seeing some real strength out of regional gaming, and I'm curious to get your collective perspective on whether that is economically driven, macroeconomically driven, whether that's a function of some of the smarter operators having put forth some capital into their properties and improved their value proposition which we've seen pretty broadly, including the one company, Peter, you founded. What is the driver of that and what gives you that confidence that a year from now we're still going to be having that same conversation?
Speaker #7: And I'm curious to get your collective perspective on whether that is economically driven, macroeconomically driven, or whether that's a function of some of the smarter operators having put forth some capital into their properties and improved their value proposition, which we've seen pretty broadly, including the one company, Peter, you founded.
Speaker #7: Right? What is the driver of that? And what gives you the confidence that, a year from now, we're still going to be having that same conversation?
Speaker #4: You know, my sense is the consumer market, generally, is still pretty strong despite all the negativity you see sometimes in the press. The economy is strong.
Peter M. Carlino: My sense is the consumer market generally is still pretty strong despite all the negativity you see sometimes in the press. The economy is strong. There are areas, of course, of weakness, but by and large, I think people are in the marketplace. You've heard me say many times, David, that people don't give up their entertainments. Food, shelter, and gambling are the priorities in people's lives. Across the board, we're sensing, because we get numbers when you get them, that demand is extremely strong. I have talked broadly with some of the folks at Penn. Their new projects and their investment of capital in hotels and so forth has been apparently off the charts. We'll all wait and get the final result quarter to quarter, but just a terrific result.
Peter Carlino: My sense is the consumer market generally is still pretty strong despite all the negativity you see sometimes in the press. The economy is strong. There are areas, of course, of weakness, but by and large, I think people are in the marketplace. You've heard me say many times, David, that people don't give up their entertainments. Food, shelter, and gambling are the priorities in people's lives. Across the board, we're sensing, because we get numbers when you get them, that demand is extremely strong. I have talked broadly with some of the folks at Penn. Their new projects and their investment of capital in hotels and so forth has been apparently off the charts. We'll all wait and get the final result quarter to quarter, but just a terrific result.
Speaker #4: There are areas, of course, of weakness, but by and large, I think people are in the marketplace. You've heard me say many times, David, that people don't give up their entertainments.
Speaker #4: Food shelter and gambling are the priorities in people's lives. So the across the board, we're sensing because we get numbers when you get them, that demand is extremely strong, extremely strong.
Speaker #4: And I have talked broadly with some of the folks at Penn. Their new projects and their investment of capital in hotels and so forth has been apparently off the charts.
Speaker #4: I mean, we're all waiting to get the final result, quarter to quarter. But just a terrific result. So, I mean, we viscerally feel just a lot of enthusiasm out in the marketplace right now.
Peter M. Carlino: We viscerally feel just a lot of enthusiasm out in the marketplace right now. I think it's just a broad look at the economy generally.
Peter Carlino: We viscerally feel just a lot of enthusiasm out in the marketplace right now. I think it's just a broad look at the economy generally.
Speaker #4: And I think it's just a broad look at the economy, generally.
Speaker #8: Yeah, David, and I'll just add to that. I think, going all the way back to Boyd's spend at Treasure Chest, what you've seen is really healthy returns on incremental capital dollars put in place, including, as Peter just mentioned, Juliette.
Carlo Santarelli: Yeah, David, I'll just add to that. I think going all the way back to kind of Boyd's spend at Treasure Chest, what you've seen is really healthy returns on incremental capital dollars put in place, including, as Peter just mentioned, Joliet. The early results out of the temporary at Live! Virginia have been incredibly positive-
Carlo Santarelli: Yeah, David, I'll just add to that. I think going all the way back to kind of Boyd's spend at Treasure Chest, what you've seen is really healthy returns on incremental capital dollars put in place, including, as Peter just mentioned, Joliet. The early results out of the temporary at Live! Virginia have been incredibly positive-
Speaker #8: The early results out of the temporary at Live Virginia have been incredibly positive. For a temporary facility. So I think dollars being put to work, you're seeing very healthy returns on them.
David Katz: Yeah
David Katz: Yeah
Carlo Santarelli: for a temporary facility. I think dollars being put to work, you're seeing very healthy returns on them. I think that bodes well.
Carlo Santarelli: for a temporary facility. I think dollars being put to work, you're seeing very healthy returns on them. I think that bodes well.
Speaker #8: I think that bodes well.
Speaker #4: But besides the new project, you've got a new hotel in Columbus, which I understand is going well. You've also got the hotel at M.
David Katz: Agreed.
David Katz: Agreed.
Peter M. Carlino: Besides the new project, you got a new hotel in Columbus, which I understand is going well. You've got the hotel at M, the expansion there that has also been apparently very strong. This is all good stuff for us.
Peter Carlino: Besides the new project, you got a new hotel in Columbus, which I understand is going well. You've got the hotel at M, the expansion there that has also been apparently very strong. This is all good stuff for us.
Speaker #4: The expansion there has also been apparently very strong. So this is all good stuff for us.
Speaker #7: Understood. Thank you.
David Katz: Understood. Thank you.
David Katz: Understood. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Moving on to Daniel Guglielmo with Capital One Securities.
Operator: Moving on to Daniel Guglielmo with Capital One Securities.
Operator: Moving on to Daniel Guglielmo with Capital One Securities.
Speaker #6: Hi everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Questions. This is shaping up to be an interesting year across gaming with mergers, asset sales, and development.
Daniel Guglielmo: Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. This is shaping up to be an interesting year across gaming with mergers, asset sales, and development. With so much happening, can you just remind us what you all look for in deals to make sure that they align with the long-term sustainable growth focus?
Daniel Guglielmo: Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. This is shaping up to be an interesting year across gaming with mergers, asset sales, and development. With so much happening, can you just remind us what you all look for in deals to make sure that they align with the long-term sustainable growth focus?
Speaker #6: With so much happening, can you just remind us what you all look for in deals to make sure that they align with the long-term sustainable growth focus?
Speaker #7: Yeah, I think—look, I think when we go through our underwriting process—and anybody can add on at the end here—but I think we go through our underwriting process on really any transaction, regardless of how big or small it may be.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah. Look, I think when we go through our underwriting process, and anybody can add on at the end here, but I think we go through our underwriting process on really any transaction, regardless of how big or small it may be. We're going to look for the things you would expect. Stability, long-term performance, the competitive threats Or opportunities, the credit quality of the tenant. Do we have master lease? Is there a way to diversify, not only geographically, but just based across the portfolio and the asset base? We're going to take a lot of factors into account. I think we would do that whether it was this year or last year or 10 years ago. I don't think our underwriting process has changed.
Steve Ladany: Yeah. Look, I think when we go through our underwriting process, and anybody can add on at the end here, but I think we go through our underwriting process on really any transaction, regardless of how big or small it may be. We're going to look for the things you would expect. Stability, long-term performance, the competitive threats Or opportunities, the credit quality of the tenant. Do we have master lease? Is there a way to diversify, not only geographically, but just based across the portfolio and the asset base? We're going to take a lot of factors into account. I think we would do that whether it was this year or last year or 10 years ago. I don't think our underwriting process has changed.
Speaker #7: We're going to look for the things you would expect: stability, long-term performance, competitive threats or opportunities, the credit quality of the tenant. Do we have a master lease? Is there a way to diversify, not only geographically, but also across the portfolio and the asset base?
Speaker #7: So we're going to take a lot of factors into account. I think we would do that whether it was this year, last year, or ten years ago.
Speaker #7: So I don't think our underwriting process has changed. There's obviously with the expansion of gaming into new jurisdictions over the last few years, I think that definitely changes the way we look at things.
Steven L. Ladany: There's obviously, with the expansion of gaming into new jurisdictions over the last few years, I think that definitely changes the way we look at things, and I think it continues to mold the way we think about potential new jurisdictions and whether they would come to fruition, and where would the asset that we're looking at be located on a geographic map as it relates to potential future competition. Those are all things we think about. I don't know if anybody else has anything to add.
Steve Ladany: There's obviously, with the expansion of gaming into new jurisdictions over the last few years, I think that definitely changes the way we look at things, and I think it continues to mold the way we think about potential new jurisdictions and whether they would come to fruition, and where would the asset that we're looking at be located on a geographic map as it relates to potential future competition. Those are all things we think about. I don't know if anybody else has anything to add.
Speaker #7: And I think it continues to mold the way we think about potential new jurisdictions and whether they were come to fruition and where would the asset that we're looking at be located on a geographic map as it relates to potential future competition.
Speaker #7: So, those are all things we think about. I don't know if anybody else has anything to add.
Speaker #4: Well, I mean, I think it's important to double back on something Carlo said in the beginning, which is that some of the M&A activity in the regional markets—whether it be Bally's, MGM, or Caesars—is probably being driven by a dislocation between the perceived value of these operations and assets and the actual value of these operations and assets.
Brandon J. Moore: Well, I think it's important to double back on something Carlos said in the beginning, which is some of the M&A activity in the regional markets, whether it be Bally's, MGM, or Caesars, is probably being driven by a dislocation between the perceived value of these operations and assets and the actual value of these operations and assets. I think what you're finding is the stock prices get to the point where people say, This has gotten to the point where we're just going to act on this and take it private and realize the value that the market's not seeing. Unfortunately for GLPI, I think the same dislocation feeds into our stock. We have very strong tenants that operate in markets that are doing quite well.
Brandon Moore: Well, I think it's important to double back on something Carlos said in the beginning, which is some of the M&A activity in the regional markets, whether it be Bally's, MGM, or Caesars, is probably being driven by a dislocation between the perceived value of these operations and assets and the actual value of these operations and assets. I think what you're finding is the stock prices get to the point where people say, This has gotten to the point where we're just going to act on this and take it private and realize the value that the market's not seeing. Unfortunately for GLPI, I think the same dislocation feeds into our stock. We have very strong tenants that operate in markets that are doing quite well.
Speaker #4: And I think what you're finding is, the stock prices get to the point where people say, this has gotten to the point where we're just going to act on this.
Speaker #4: And take it private and realize the value that the market's not seeing. And unfortunately for GLPI, I think the same dislocation feeds into our stock.
Speaker #4: We have very strong tenants that operate in markets that are doing quite well. And despite what some of the reports have written, we see a lot of strength in our tenants' operations in the regions.
Brandon J. Moore: Despite what some of the reports have been written, we see a lot of strength in our tenants' operations in the regions. I think you're seeing that drive M&A, and I think you're seeing that in some of the M&A activity out there. As long as those dislocations persist, I think you'll continue to see activity there.
Brandon Moore: Despite what some of the reports have been written, we see a lot of strength in our tenants' operations in the regions. I think you're seeing that drive M&A, and I think you're seeing that in some of the M&A activity out there. As long as those dislocations persist, I think you'll continue to see activity there.
Speaker #4: And I think you're seeing that drive M&A.
Speaker #3: And I think you're seeing that.
Speaker #4: I think you're seeing that in some of the M&A activity out there. So as long as those dislocations persist, I think you'll continue to see activity there.
Speaker #4: Look, the broad-based gaming world has been around for more than 30 years, and I commend anyone to go back and just take a look at the track record of properties and performance over the long, long term.
Peter M. Carlino: Look, the broad-based gaming world has been around for more than 30 years, I commend anyone go back and just take a look at the track record of properties and performance over the long, long term. This is an incredibly stable industry. Incredibly stable. We love these assets. Getting the market to appreciate the value of what we've got has been really a challenge.
Peter Carlino: Look, the broad-based gaming world has been around for more than 30 years, I commend anyone go back and just take a look at the track record of properties and performance over the long, long term. This is an incredibly stable industry. Incredibly stable. We love these assets. Getting the market to appreciate the value of what we've got has been really a challenge.
Speaker #4: This is an incredibly stable industry, incredibly stable. We love these assets. Getting the market to appreciate the value of what we've got has been really a challenge.
Speaker #3: Yeah. And I think whether our coverage is 2.5, 2.3, 1.8, or 1.6, these assets are all performing quite well. These are all portfolios and leases that our operators will want to continue to own and pay rent on.
Brandon J. Moore: Yeah, I think whether our coverage is 2.5 or 2.3 or 1.8 or 1.6, these assets are all performing quite well. These are all portfolios and leases that our operators will want to continue to own and pay rent on. While we remain frustrated at times with the equity cost of capital here, we are still very happy with the performance of our overall portfolio.
Brandon Moore: Yeah, I think whether our coverage is 2.5 or 2.3 or 1.8 or 1.6, these assets are all performing quite well. These are all portfolios and leases that our operators will want to continue to own and pay rent on. While we remain frustrated at times with the equity cost of capital here, we are still very happy with the performance of our overall portfolio.
Speaker #3: So, while we remain frustrated at times with the equity cost of capital here, we're still very happy with the performance of our overall portfolio.
Daniel Guglielmo: That is great. I really appreciate all that color and info. A quick follow-up. One of your tenant partners did decide to forgo funding on a smaller project this year. Thinking farther out, what do you all think of as GLPI's main value proposition for current and future operator tenants, where it makes it worth it for them to fund development through you all versus raising capital themselves?
Daniel Guglielmo: That is great. I really appreciate all that color and info. A quick follow-up. One of your tenant partners did decide to forgo funding on a smaller project this year. Thinking farther out, what do you all think of as GLPI's main value proposition for current and future operator tenants, where it makes it worth it for them to fund development through you all versus raising capital themselves?
Speaker #6: That's great. I really appreciate all that color and info. A quick follow-up: one of your tenant partners did decide to forego funding on a smaller project this year.
Speaker #6: So, thinking farther out, what do you all see as GLPI's main value proposition for current and future operator tenants that makes it worthwhile for them to fund development through you, versus raising capital themselves?
Steven L. Ladany: I will jump in and then Desiree maybe can add something. I think the reality is there are some benefits that the operator gets with respect to depreciation, and the initial onset decision is going to be somewhat dictated by their cost of capital. I think as we move forward, the only other aspect I think they consider is the ramp they can get from the capital, whether their return on the EBITDA side is great enough that they could then sell the improvements to us later for a value that is larger than the cost to build. I think those are the three things that the operator is probably considering when they make that decision. I don't think it is a matter of will they sell the improvements to us ever. I think it is a matter of when will they sell them to us.
Steve Ladany: I will jump in and then Desiree maybe can add something. I think the reality is there are some benefits that the operator gets with respect to depreciation, and the initial onset decision is going to be somewhat dictated by their cost of capital. I think as we move forward, the only other aspect I think they consider is the ramp they can get from the capital, whether their return on the EBITDA side is great enough that they could then sell the improvements to us later for a value that is larger than the cost to build. I think those are the three things that the operator is probably considering when they make that decision. I don't think it is a matter of will they sell the improvements to us ever. I think it is a matter of when will they sell them to us.
Speaker #7: I think I'll jump in and then Desiree maybe can add something. I think the reality is there's some benefits that the operator gets with respect to depreciation and the initial onset decision is going to be somewhat dictated by the cost of capital.
Speaker #7: I think as we move forward, the only other aspect I think they consider is the ramp they can get from the capital and whether their return on the EBITDA side is great enough that they could then sell the improvements to us later for a value that's larger than the cost to build.
Speaker #7: So, I think those are the three things that the operator is probably considering when they make that decision. And I don't think it's a matter of whether they will ever sell the improvements to us.
Speaker #7: I think it's a matter of when will they sell them to us. Because at the end of the day, when the improvements constructed, adjacent to a building we own on land we own, it's probably a foregone conclusion that we'll end up owning it at some point in time.
Steven L. Ladany: At the end of the day, when the improvement's constructed adjacent to a building we own on land we own, it's probably a foregone conclusion that we will end up owning it at some point in time.
Steve Ladany: At the end of the day, when the improvement's constructed adjacent to a building we own on land we own, it's probably a foregone conclusion that we will end up owning it at some point in time.
Desiree A. Burke: No, I agree with all that. I also think you have to look at it as a cross between debt and equity, right? We're giving 35-year funding, which is more akin to equity than it is to debt, and most of the gaming operators typically barely get to a 10-year bond, much less 35 years. Our cost of funding vis-a-vis their cost of equity is definitely a plus.
Desiree Burke: No, I agree with all that. I also think you have to look at it as a cross between debt and equity, right? We're giving 35-year funding, which is more akin to equity than it is to debt, and most of the gaming operators typically barely get to a 10-year bond, much less 35 years. Our cost of funding vis-a-vis their cost of equity is definitely a plus.
Speaker #2: No, I agree with all that. And I also think you have to look at it, I think, as a cross between debt and equity, right?
Speaker #2: So we're giving 35-year funding, which is more akin to equity than it is to debt. And most of the gaming operators typically barely get to a 10-year bond, much less 35 years.
Speaker #2: So our cost of funding, vis-à-vis their cost of equity, is definitely a plus.
Speaker #6: Makes sense. Thank you.
Daniel Guglielmo: Makes sense. Thank you.
Daniel Guglielmo: Makes sense. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Our next question will come from Chad Banon with Macquarie.
Operator: Our next question will come from Chad Beynon with Macquarie.
Operator: Our next question will come from Chad Beynon with Macquarie.
Speaker #7: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the funding guide—the $400 to $450 million in your slide deck where you display what's left to fund.
Chad Beynon: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the funding guide, the $400 to 450 million. In your slide deck, you display what's left to fund. I think Chicago is still expected to open, in Q1 2027. Obviously, Live! in Petersburg is deeper into 2027. I'd assume most of that $400 to 450 million between these two larger loans is going to come from Chicago. Can you maybe just put a little bit of finer point on that $400 to 450 million, where the range is coming from? Is that really just kind of a timing thing? Probably more on Chicago, kind of when they're finishing up, given that Virginia would probably be pretty straightforward, at least at this point in their construction cycle. Thank you.
Chad Beynon: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the funding guide, the $400 to 450 million. In your slide deck, you display what's left to fund. I think Chicago is still expected to open, in Q1 2027. Obviously, Live! in Petersburg is deeper into 2027. I'd assume most of that $400 to 450 million between these two larger loans is going to come from Chicago. Can you maybe just put a little bit of finer point on that $400 to 450 million, where the range is coming from? Is that really just kind of a timing thing? Probably more on Chicago, kind of when they're finishing up, given that Virginia would probably be pretty straightforward, at least at this point in their construction cycle. Thank you.
Speaker #7: I think Chicago is still expected to open in the first quarter of '27. Obviously, Live! in Petersburg is deeper into '27. So, I'd assume most of that $400 to $450 million between these two larger loans is going to come from Chicago.
Speaker #7: But can you maybe just put a little bit of a finer point on that $400 to $450—where's that range coming from? Is that really just kind of a timing thing?
Speaker #7: Probably more on Chicago kind of when they're finishing up, given that Virginia would probably be pretty straightforward, at least at this point in their construction cycle.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Speaker #2: I mean, it's really just our best estimate of the timing of their funding. I mean, look, somebody could pull money in January instead of December.
Desiree A. Burke: It's really just our best estimate of the timing of their funding. Look, somebody could pull money in January instead of December, and that's why we have $400 million to $450 million, and we are funding all four of those projects during 2026 and they will continue into 2027. The range is just simply timing as to when they're pulling the funding.
Desiree Burke: It's really just our best estimate of the timing of their funding. Look, somebody could pull money in January instead of December, and that's why we have $400 million to $450 million, and we are funding all four of those projects during 2026 and they will continue into 2027. The range is just simply timing as to when they're pulling the funding.
Speaker #2: And that's why we have four to 450. And we are funding all four of those projects during 2026, and they will continue into 2027.
Speaker #2: So the range is just simply it's just timing as to when they're pulling the funding.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thanks, Desiree. And then moving on to Boyd announced that they're going to be doing another barge-to-land project. Carlo, I think you talked about the success in treasure chests.
Chad Beynon: Okay. Thanks, Desiree. Moving on to Boyd announced that they're going to be doing another barge to land project. Carlo, I think you talked about the success in Treasure Chest. Do you think there's more opportunities or any other markets where there could be some of these generation one riverboats kind of moving to land? Are there any other proposals or availability either in Louisiana or in other markets that you could see in the future? Thanks.
Chad Beynon: Okay. Thanks, Desiree. Moving on to Boyd announced that they're going to be doing another barge to land project. Carlo, I think you talked about the success in Treasure Chest. Do you think there's more opportunities or any other markets where there could be some of these generation one riverboats kind of moving to land? Are there any other proposals or availability either in Louisiana or in other markets that you could see in the future? Thanks.
Speaker #7: Do you think there are more opportunities or any other markets where some of these Generation One riverboats could be moved onto land, or are there any other proposals or availability, either in Louisiana or in other markets, that you could see in the future?
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Speaker #4: That I could tell you that we have a list of those boats. What I would also say is, I think that the success that we've seen with these transitions over the last several years bodes very well for others' willingness to make that leap and go forward.
Carlo Santarelli: Scott, I can tell you that we have a list of those boats. What I would also say is I think that the success that we've seen with these transitions over the last several years bodes very well for others, a willingness to make that leap and go forward. To the extent I could identify anything specific at this point that operators have talked about, no. Perhaps maybe Steve could, but I tend to think we have an eye on it. I think the history here has lent itself to promoting more such activity as we look out in the future.
Carlo Santarelli: Scott, I can tell you that we have a list of those boats. What I would also say is I think that the success that we've seen with these transitions over the last several years bodes very well for others, a willingness to make that leap and go forward. To the extent I could identify anything specific at this point that operators have talked about, no. Perhaps maybe Steve could, but I tend to think we have an eye on it. I think the history here has lent itself to promoting more such activity as we look out in the future.
Speaker #4: To the extent I could identify anything specific at this point that operators have talked about—no. Perhaps maybe Steve could, but I tend to think we have an eye on it.
Speaker #4: I think the history here has lent itself to promoting more such activity as we look out into the future.
Speaker #5: Yeah. I don't know of any. There are things that we've had private discussions on. I don't think that there are many things public at this point.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, I don't know of any. There are things that we've had private discussions on. I don't think that there are many things public at this point. Look, I think if you think about Penn's capital improvements, Bally's has made capital improvements and landside moves, and then Boyd. The proof's in the pudding. They've each put the capital forward, they've each seen the returns, and you could safely assume that they will continue to look for other ways to deploy that type of capital and achieve those types of returns. I think that they've proved it for themselves, and I think they'll continue to look for opportunities, and we've had discussions, and we'll continue to be open to having more discussions.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, I don't know of any. There are things that we've had private discussions on. I don't think that there are many things public at this point. Look, I think if you think about Penn's capital improvements, Bally's has made capital improvements and landside moves, and then Boyd. The proof's in the pudding. They've each put the capital forward, they've each seen the returns, and you could safely assume that they will continue to look for other ways to deploy that type of capital and achieve those types of returns. I think that they've proved it for themselves, and I think they'll continue to look for opportunities, and we've had discussions, and we'll continue to be open to having more discussions.
Speaker #5: But look, I think if you think about Penn's capital improvements, value is made in capital improvements and landside moves. And then Boyd, the proof's in the pudding.
Speaker #5: They've each put the capital forward. They've each seen the returns. And you could, it's safely assumed, that they will continue to look for other ways to deploy that type of capital and achieve those types of returns.
Speaker #5: So I think that they've proved it for themselves. And I think they'll continue to look for opportunities. And we've had discussions and we'll continue to be open to having more discussions.
Speaker #4: Yeah. The results have been as you've seen, results have been stunning. Nothing short of stunning. So it's really transformed the opportunity market.
Chad Beynon: Yeah. Thank you very much.
Chad Beynon: Yeah. Thank you very much.
Peter M. Carlino: As you've seen, results have been stunning. Nothing short of stunning. It's really transformed the opportunity market.
Peter Carlino: As you've seen, results have been stunning. Nothing short of stunning. It's really transformed the opportunity market.
Speaker #7: Agree. Thank you.
Chad Beynon: Agree. Thank you.
Chad Beynon: Agree. Thank you.
Speaker #1: And moving on to John Tuckery with CBRE.
Operator: Moving on to John DeCree with CBRE.
Operator: Moving on to John DeCree with CBRE.
Speaker #8: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I know we've talked about the two big take-privates out in the market, but big picture, Peter, everyone — you've worked with both public and private companies.
John DeCree: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I know we talked about the two big take privates out in the market, but big picture. Peter, everyone, you've worked with both public and private companies in terms of getting transactions done, development, M&A, sale-leaseback. Curious if you could speak to any differences in working with public-private companies on transactions, any advantages or disadvantages that'd be worth talking about.
John DeCree: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I know we talked about the two big take privates out in the market, but big picture. Peter, everyone, you've worked with both public and private companies in terms of getting transactions done, development, M&A, sale-leaseback. Curious if you could speak to any differences in working with public-private companies on transactions, any advantages or disadvantages that'd be worth talking about.
Speaker #8: In terms of getting transactions done—development, M&A, sale-leasebacks—but curious if you could speak to any differences in working with public versus private companies on transactions, any advantages or disadvantages that would be worth talking about.
Speaker #4: No, I don't see any material difference. It's just as long as it's the quality of the people and the nature of the deal. I mean, we like visibility—public company visibility is nice, to be able to see what's going on.
Peter M. Carlino: I don't see any material difference, just as long as it's the quality of the people and the nature of the deal. We like visibility. Public company visibility is nice to be able to see what's going on, as do you. We have a little less, obviously, with a private group. No, I don't see anything materially different. Steve?
Peter Carlino: I don't see any material difference, just as long as it's the quality of the people and the nature of the deal. We like visibility. Public company visibility is nice to be able to see what's going on, as do you. We have a little less, obviously, with a private group. No, I don't see anything materially different. Steve?
Speaker #4: As do you. You have a little less, obviously, with a private group. But no, I don’t see anything materially different. Steve?
Speaker #5: I agree. And the public company nice to have disclosure can go away the next day when they decide to go private. So we've all seen that happen a couple of times.
Steven L. Ladany: I agree, and the public company nice-to-have disclosure can go away the next day when they decide to go private. We've all seen that happen a couple of times.
Steve Ladany: I agree, and the public company nice-to-have disclosure can go away the next day when they decide to go private. We've all seen that happen a couple of times.
Speaker #2: Our leases do require them to report to us on a monthly basis—balance sheets, income statements, information that we request. So we do have information on our private tenants just like we do on the public tenants.
Desiree A. Burke: Our leases do require them to report to us on a monthly basis, balance sheets, income statements, information that we request. We do have information on our private tenants just like we do on the public tenants. From an information perspective, I'm not concerned at all, and quite frankly, kind of understand why the operators are doing what they're doing, right? They're not being rewarded in the market today. If they can find a cheaper cost of capital, they should do that.
Desiree Burke: Our leases do require them to report to us on a monthly basis, balance sheets, income statements, information that we request. We do have information on our private tenants just like we do on the public tenants. From an information perspective, I'm not concerned at all, and quite frankly, kind of understand why the operators are doing what they're doing, right? They're not being rewarded in the market today. If they can find a cheaper cost of capital, they should do that.
Speaker #2: So, from an information perspective, I'm not concerned at all. And, quite frankly, I kind of understand why the operators are doing what they're doing, right?
Speaker #2: They're not being and if they can find a cheaper cost of capital, they should do that.
Speaker #5: Yeah. I think our bigger problem is not the information we get. The bigger problem is we're unable to convey it to you folks. That's the bigger problem.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, I think our bigger problem is not the information we get. The bigger problem is we're unable to convey it to you folks. That's the bigger problem that we have. We'll have continued transparency into what's going on at these properties. Unfortunately, it puts us in a tighter box to be able to discuss those things publicly.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, I think our bigger problem is not the information we get. The bigger problem is we're unable to convey it to you folks. That's the bigger problem that we have. We'll have continued transparency into what's going on at these properties. Unfortunately, it puts us in a tighter box to be able to discuss those things publicly.
Speaker #5: That we have. So we'll have continued transparency into what's going on at these properties. Unfortunately, it puts us in a tighter box to be able to discuss those things publicly.
Speaker #8: Got it. Maybe a quick follow-up on that. If you could touch on it a little bit earlier, but in the same topic, the valuation that public markets have been ascribing to your tenants and casino companies.
John DeCree: Got it. Maybe a quick follow-up on that. I think you touched on it a little bit earlier, in the same topic, the valuation that public markets have been ascribing to your tenants and casino companies. With the private companies, do you see going forward a better opportunity to transact with those companies as they're not maybe beholden to kind of public market valuations? Do they at moment have more flexibility? I guess looking ahead, would you expect to see more activity as more companies are private, more operators are private? We've certainly seen even some of your tenants, the growth, M&A development coming from private companies. Are they less encumbered, better cost of capital, or what have you expect them to be more active than public companies going forward?
John DeCree: Got it. Maybe a quick follow-up on that. I think you touched on it a little bit earlier, in the same topic, the valuation that public markets have been ascribing to your tenants and casino companies. With the private companies, do you see going forward a better opportunity to transact with those companies as they're not maybe beholden to kind of public market valuations? Do they at moment have more flexibility? I guess looking ahead, would you expect to see more activity as more companies are private, more operators are private? We've certainly seen even some of your tenants, the growth, M&A development coming from private companies. Are they less encumbered, better cost of capital, or what have you expect them to be more active than public companies going forward?
Speaker #8: With the private companies, do you see going forward better opportunity to transact with those companies as they're not maybe beholden to kind of public market valuations?
Speaker #8: Do they, at the moment, have more flexibility? So, I guess looking ahead, would you expect to see more activity as more companies are private, more operators are private?
Speaker #8: We've certainly seen even some of your tenants, the growth, the M&A development coming from private companies. So are they less encumbered? Better cost of capital or what have you expect them to be more active than public companies going forward?
Speaker #4: Yeah, that's a little difficult to answer, John, just because I think there's a wide swath of what it means to be a private gaming operator.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, it's a little difficult to answer, John, just because I think there's a wide swath of what it means to be a private gaming operator. There are some family-owned businesses that are kind of small, their access to capital is probably somewhat limited. Then we're talking about some of the largest gaming companies in the country becoming private. If I kind of think about this on the smaller side of the spectrum, I'd say most of those folks, I'd say their ability to be active in the market is somewhat predicated on their access to capital. I think obviously the Ilitch family just completed a transaction.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, it's a little difficult to answer, John, just because I think there's a wide swath of what it means to be a private gaming operator. There are some family-owned businesses that are kind of small, their access to capital is probably somewhat limited. Then we're talking about some of the largest gaming companies in the country becoming private. If I kind of think about this on the smaller side of the spectrum, I'd say most of those folks, I'd say their ability to be active in the market is somewhat predicated on their access to capital. I think obviously the Ilitch family just completed a transaction.
Speaker #4: There are some family-owned businesses that are kind of small, and their access to capital is probably somewhat limited. And then we're talking about some of the largest gaming companies in the country becoming private.
Speaker #4: So if I kind of think about on the smaller side of the spectrum, I'd say most of those folks I'd say their ability to be active in the market is somewhat predicated on their access to capital.
Speaker #4: I think, obviously, the Ilitch family just completed a transaction. They have plenty of access to capital, but as far as the size of their corporate structure and their team, I think it's going to take some time for them to digest that and then be able to look for the next thing to hunt.
Steven L. Ladany: They have plenty of access to capital, as far as the size of their corporate structure and their team, I think it's going to take some time for them to digest that and to then be able to look for the next thing to hunt. I think there are different nuanced realities that come with each of these private companies that you have to be thoughtful about when you're trying to transact with them. I think, look, at the end of the day, things like greenfield are significantly easier for the private companies to do. They're not out there publicly reporting Their cash flow metrics and their EBITDA impacts when they have none coming from the projects in which they're building.
Steve Ladany: They have plenty of access to capital, as far as the size of their corporate structure and their team, I think it's going to take some time for them to digest that and to then be able to look for the next thing to hunt. I think there are different nuanced realities that come with each of these private companies that you have to be thoughtful about when you're trying to transact with them. I think, look, at the end of the day, things like greenfield are significantly easier for the private companies to do. They're not out there publicly reporting Their cash flow metrics and their EBITDA impacts when they have none coming from the projects in which they're building.
Speaker #4: So, I think there are different nuanced realities that come with each of these private companies that you have to be thoughtful about when you're trying to transact with them.
Speaker #4: But I think, look, at the end of the day, things like Greenfield are significantly easier for the private companies to do. They're not out there publicly reporting their cash flow metrics and their EBITDA impacts when they have none coming from the projects in which they're building.
Speaker #4: And I think that's why we've seen in some states companies like Rush Street be able to do so many Greenfield development projects and be so aggressive in expansion because they haven't had the same analysis and scrutiny from the public markets.
Steven L. Ladany: I think that's why we've seen in some states, companies like Rush Street, be able to do so many greenfield development projects and be so aggressive in expansion because they haven't had the same analysis and scrutiny from the public markets. I think it will be a trend that will continue, and we'll see it probably more widely spread if we see some other jurisdictions legalize gaming.
Steve Ladany: I think that's why we've seen in some states, companies like Rush Street, be able to do so many greenfield development projects and be so aggressive in expansion because they haven't had the same analysis and scrutiny from the public markets. I think it will be a trend that will continue, and we'll see it probably more widely spread if we see some other jurisdictions legalize gaming.
Speaker #4: So, I think it will be a trend that will continue, and we'll see it probably more widely spread if we see some other jurisdictions legalize gaming.
Speaker #8: Awesome. Thanks, Steve. I really appreciate that color. Thank you, everybody.
John DeCree: Awesome. Thanks, Steve. I really appreciate that color. Thank you, everybody.
John DeCree: Awesome. Thanks, Steve. I really appreciate that color. Thank you, everybody.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Brandon J. Moore: Thank you.
Brandon Moore: Thank you.
Speaker #1: And our next question will come from Mitch Germain with Citizens Bank.
Operator: Our next question will come from Mitch Germain with Citizens JMP.
Operator: Our next question will come from Mitch Germain with Citizens JMP.
Speaker #8: Thank you. You guys were previously pretty optimistic about some additional tribal financing transactions. I'm curious about your enthusiasm for possibly getting some more of those over the finish line.
Mitch Germain: Thank you. You guys were previously pretty optimistic about some additional tribal financing transactions. I'm curious about your enthusiasm about possibly getting some more over the finish line.
Mitch Germain: Thank you. You guys were previously pretty optimistic about some additional tribal financing transactions. I'm curious about your enthusiasm about possibly getting some more over the finish line.
Speaker #4: Also, start, and then Steve can probably jump in. Look, I think, Mitch, we remain enthusiastic about the opportunity and the opportunities that are out there in the tribal gaming and financing world.
Brandon J. Moore: I'll start, Steve can probably jump in. Look, I think, Mitch, we remain enthusiastic about the opportunity and the opportunities that are out there in the tribal gaming and financing world. As we indicated early on in this process, things move very slowly in tribal gaming and in tribal financing. We have had and continue to have a lot of very productive conversations, both on developments, refinancings, and other potential uses of capital on tribal land held in trust. To handicap whether or not some of those things will come to fruition in 2026 is hard to do. It would be speculative for us to do it, but it's certainly possible. We have a number of things we're discussing at the moment with various tribes.
Brandon Moore: I'll start, Steve can probably jump in. Look, I think, Mitch, we remain enthusiastic about the opportunity and the opportunities that are out there in the tribal gaming and financing world. As we indicated early on in this process, things move very slowly in tribal gaming and in tribal financing. We have had and continue to have a lot of very productive conversations, both on developments, refinancings, and other potential uses of capital on tribal land held in trust. To handicap whether or not some of those things will come to fruition in 2026 is hard to do. It would be speculative for us to do it, but it's certainly possible. We have a number of things we're discussing at the moment with various tribes.
Speaker #4: As we indicated early on in this process, things move very, very slowly in tribal gaming and in tribal financing. And we are having we have had and continue to have a lot of very productive conversations both on developments, refinancings, and other potential uses of capital on tribal land held in trust.
Speaker #4: Whether or not to handicap—whether or not some of those things will come to fruition in 2026—is hard to do. It would be speculative for us to do it.
Speaker #4: But it's certainly possible. We have a number of things we're discussing at the moment with various tribes. Whether it's 2026 or 2027, I do think you'll see some future activity out of us with respect to those tribes if we can get over a few humps.
Brandon J. Moore: I think whether it's 2026 or 2027, I do think you'll see some future activity out of us with respect to those tribes if we can get over a few humps.
Brandon Moore: I think whether it's 2026 or 2027, I do think you'll see some future activity out of us with respect to those tribes if we can get over a few humps.
Speaker #5: It's been a continual education process. And I think there's been growing receptivity, which we're now trying to cultivate and convert into growing adoption. And as we do that, I think we're also looking to try to prove out that there are additional use cases beyond just tribal Greenfield.
Steven L. Ladany: It's been a continual education process, I think there's been growing receptivity, which we're now trying to cultivate and convert into growing adoption. As we do that, I think we're also looking to try to prove out that there are additional use cases beyond just tribal greenfield. We're working on all those fronts, I agree with everything Brandon said. I don't think timing is known, efforts are real.
Steve Ladany: It's been a continual education process, I think there's been growing receptivity, which we're now trying to cultivate and convert into growing adoption. As we do that, I think we're also looking to try to prove out that there are additional use cases beyond just tribal greenfield. We're working on all those fronts, I agree with everything Brandon said. I don't think timing is known, efforts are real.
Speaker #5: So we're working on all those fronts, and I agree with everything Brandon said. I don't think timing is known, but the efforts are real.
Speaker #4: And I think, Mitch, just to give you a little more comfort in how we look at this, we continue to look at high levels of coverage and a margin of safety around these tribal transactions.
Brandon J. Moore: I think, Mitch, just to give you a little more comfort in how we look at this, we continue to look at high levels of coverage and a margin of safety around these tribal transactions. In everything we're looking at currently, we are side by side with some other traditional banking and financing sources. We're not a full solution for anybody at the moment, but trying to fill gaps and create a long-term piece of capital or a long-term piece of debt to complement what these tribes otherwise have with their traditional financing sources.
Brandon Moore: I think, Mitch, just to give you a little more comfort in how we look at this, we continue to look at high levels of coverage and a margin of safety around these tribal transactions. In everything we're looking at currently, we are side by side with some other traditional banking and financing sources. We're not a full solution for anybody at the moment, but trying to fill gaps and create a long-term piece of capital or a long-term piece of debt to complement what these tribes otherwise have with their traditional financing sources.
Speaker #4: And in everything we're looking at currently, we're side by side with some other traditional banking and financing sources. So we're not a full solution for anybody at the moment, but we're trying to fill gaps and create a long-term piece of capital, or a long-term piece of debt, to complement what these tribes otherwise have with their traditional financing sources.
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Mitch Germain: Thank you.
Mitch Germain: Thank you.
Speaker #1: And we'll go next to Robin Farley with UBS.
Operator: We'll go next to Robin Farley with UBS.
Operator: We'll go next to Robin Farley with UBS.
Speaker #7: Great, thanks. I just wanted to ask a little bit about what the competitive landscape looks like, not for the operators and regional markets, but for you.
Robin Farley: Great, thanks. Just wanted to ask a little bit about what the competitive landscape looks like, not for the operators in regional markets, but for you in terms of other sources of financing, whether it's private equity. Churchill Downs, that competitive environment may be different than some of the interest in Vegas assets in the past, but just would love to get your take on that. Thanks.
Robin Farley: Great, thanks. Just wanted to ask a little bit about what the competitive landscape looks like, not for the operators in regional markets, but for you in terms of other sources of financing, whether it's private equity. Churchill Downs, that competitive environment may be different than some of the interest in Vegas assets in the past, but just would love to get your take on that. Thanks.
Speaker #7: In terms of other sources of financing, whether it's private equity or Churchill Downs, that competitive environment may be different than some of the interest in Vegas assets in the past.
Speaker #7: But I would just love to get your take on that. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Yeah. I think with respect to the Churchill Downs, I guess competitive process, I would expect obviously our main publicly traded competitor to be involved in that process.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, I think with respect to the Churchill Downs competitive process, I would expect, obviously, our main publicly traded competitor to be involved in that process, and they said that yesterday on their call. I also think that there's some different funds that have been, I would think you would call them more private credit, like Blue Owl. I would expect that they would be active participants in this process. Beyond the three of us, I'm not sure that it goes much further or much deeper. As you pointed out, for strip assets, premier strip assets, I think that has brought others to the table, like Blackstone in the past. I think if a premier strip asset were to come to market, I think the same thing would happen yet again.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, I think with respect to the Churchill Downs competitive process, I would expect, obviously, our main publicly traded competitor to be involved in that process, and they said that yesterday on their call. I also think that there's some different funds that have been, I would think you would call them more private credit, like Blue Owl. I would expect that they would be active participants in this process. Beyond the three of us, I'm not sure that it goes much further or much deeper. As you pointed out, for strip assets, premier strip assets, I think that has brought others to the table, like Blackstone in the past. I think if a premier strip asset were to come to market, I think the same thing would happen yet again.
Speaker #4: And they said that yesterday on their call. I also think that there are some different funds that have been—I would think you would call them more private credit, like Blue Owl.
Speaker #4: I would expect that they would be active participants in this process. But beyond the three of us, I'm not sure that it goes much further or much deeper.
Speaker #4: As you pointed out, for strip assets—premier strip assets—I think that has brought others to the table like Blackstone in the past. I think if a premier strip asset were to come to market, the same thing would happen yet again.
Speaker #4: But for a regional portfolio of a number of assets across a number of states, I think it's probably a pretty limited scope—most likely those three parties.
Steven L. Ladany: For a regional portfolio of a number of assets across a number of states, I think it's probably a pretty limited scope, most likely those three parties.
Steve Ladany: For a regional portfolio of a number of assets across a number of states, I think it's probably a pretty limited scope, most likely those three parties.
Speaker #3: And I don't think it changes a lot, Robin. The way we look at this is, we have a cost of capital; we have an underwriting of these facilities.
Brandon J. Moore: I don't think it changes a lot, Robin. The way we look at this is we have a cost of capital, we have an underwriting of these facilities, what we think they'll do, what we think they can do, the competitive threats that they might be under. We come up with a number that we think we're comfortable paying and a construct we're willing to do in a lease. If we're outbid in that, fine. That's okay. I don't think you'll see us chase any transactions just because there's competition. We'll have the same underwriting process and an auction process that we do privately. It may reduce the likelihood of success on our part, but it won't change the way we approach the underwriting.
Brandon Moore: I don't think it changes a lot, Robin. The way we look at this is we have a cost of capital, we have an underwriting of these facilities, what we think they'll do, what we think they can do, the competitive threats that they might be under. We come up with a number that we think we're comfortable paying and a construct we're willing to do in a lease. If we're outbid in that, fine. That's okay. I don't think you'll see us chase any transactions just because there's competition. We'll have the same underwriting process and an auction process that we do privately. It may reduce the likelihood of success on our part, but it won't change the way we approach the underwriting.
Speaker #3: What we think they'll do, what we think they can do, the competitive threats that they might be under, and we come up with a number that we think we're comfortable paying.
Speaker #3: And a construct we're willing to do in a lease. And if we're outbid in that, fine, that's okay. I don't think you'll see us chase any transactions just because there's competition.
Speaker #3: We'll have the same underwriting price process and an auction process that we do privately. So, it may reduce the likelihood of success on our part, but it won't change the way we approach the underwriting.
Speaker #4: Yeah. You've heard me say for many years, there's no deal we have to do. It's just not what drives us here. So we're perfectly willing to walk away.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, you've heard me say for many years, there's no deal we have to do. It's just not what drives us here. We're perfectly willing to walk away.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, you've heard me say for many years, there's no deal we have to do. It's just not what drives us here. We're perfectly willing to walk away.
Speaker #7: Great. Thank you.
Robin Farley: Great. Thank you.
Robin Farley: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Fantastic.
Steven L. Ladany: Have.
Steve Ladany: Have.
Speaker #7: Yeah.
Robin Farley: Yeah.
Robin Farley: Yeah.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Brandon J. Moore: Thank you.
Brandon Moore: Thank you.
Speaker #1: And moving on to Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Operator: Moving on to Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Operator: Moving on to Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Speaker #8: Yeah, hi. Thanks. I just wanted to ask Peter—you talked about a couple of important things on this call. You talked about the dividend that's yielding over 7%.
Todd Thomas: Hi, thanks. Just wanted to ask, Peter, you talked about a couple of important things on this call. You talked about the dividend that's yielding over 7%. You seem very encouraged by the regional gaming landscape. The stock's trading at north of a 9% AFFO yield at the midpoint of your guidance and nearly 8% implied cap rate on current NOI. I'm just curious where stock buybacks fit into the equation. I know there are some potential investment opportunities on the horizon, and you have other commitments and uses of capital, but you've been opportunistic, and it seems like you're a little frustrated with where the stock's trading. I'm just curious if you could talk about how you're thinking about buybacks and how that might fit into the equation.
Todd Thomas: Hi, thanks. Just wanted to ask, Peter, you talked about a couple of important things on this call. You talked about the dividend that's yielding over 7%. You seem very encouraged by the regional gaming landscape. The stock's trading at north of a 9% AFFO yield at the midpoint of your guidance and nearly 8% implied cap rate on current NOI. I'm just curious where stock buybacks fit into the equation. I know there are some potential investment opportunities on the horizon, and you have other commitments and uses of capital, but you've been opportunistic, and it seems like you're a little frustrated with where the stock's trading. I'm just curious if you could talk about how you're thinking about buybacks and how that might fit into the equation.
Speaker #8: You seem very encouraged by the regional gaming landscape. The stock's trading at north of a 9% AFFO yield at the midpoint of your guidance and nearly an 8% implied cap rate on current NOI.
Speaker #8: I'm just curious where stock buybacks fit into the equation. I know there are some potential investment opportunities on the horizon, and you have other commitments and uses of capital, but you've been opportunistic.
Speaker #8: And it seems like you're a little frustrated with where the stock's trading. I'm just curious if you could talk about how you're thinking about buybacks and how that might fit into the equation.
Speaker #4: Well, look, I mean, that's always the last choice. I mean, that's when you throw in the towel and admit that the game is kind of over.
Peter M. Carlino: Well, look, that's always the last choice. That's where you throw in the towel and admit that the game is kind of over. At some level, sure, I think you'd have to responsibly look at that possibility, but we're not there yet by any means. We honestly think there's opportunity to be had, as I said earlier. We have capabilities that others don't. I wouldn't sell short the development capabilities that we've already demonstrated, that we'll step up and take a project from ground up. That is most unusual, but we have the skill to do it, and that's where we can add value and get returns that are a little bit different. I've said many, many times that I'm not sure I ever want to be the winner in an auction. I've sometimes said the winner loses.
Peter Carlino: Well, look, that's always the last choice. That's where you throw in the towel and admit that the game is kind of over. At some level, sure, I think you'd have to responsibly look at that possibility, but we're not there yet by any means. We honestly think there's opportunity to be had, as I said earlier. We have capabilities that others don't. I wouldn't sell short the development capabilities that we've already demonstrated, that we'll step up and take a project from ground up. That is most unusual, but we have the skill to do it, and that's where we can add value and get returns that are a little bit different. I've said many, many times that I'm not sure I ever want to be the winner in an auction. I've sometimes said the winner loses.
Speaker #4: At some level, sure, I think you'd have to responsibly look at that possibility. But we're not there yet by any means. We honestly think there's opportunity to be had, as I said earlier.
Speaker #4: And we have capabilities that others don't. And I wouldn't sell short the development capability we've already demonstrated—that we'll step up and take a project from the ground up.
Speaker #4: That is most unusual, but we have the skill to do it. That's where we can add value and get returns that are a little bit different.
Speaker #4: I've said many, many times, I'm not sure I ever want to be the winner at an auction. I mean, it's just—I've sometimes said the winner loses.
Speaker #4: And there's certainly some examples of that where there have been auctions that have, let's see, not quite worked out the way the winner had hoped.
Peter M. Carlino: There's certainly some examples of that, where there've been auctions that have, let's say, not quite worked out the way the winner had hoped. We like to find opportunity where we can add value, and that's unique and different so that we're not really competing with others. That's kind of our goal, and that's what we've been doing largely.
Peter Carlino: There's certainly some examples of that, where there've been auctions that have, let's say, not quite worked out the way the winner had hoped. We like to find opportunity where we can add value, and that's unique and different so that we're not really competing with others. That's kind of our goal, and that's what we've been doing largely.
Speaker #4: So we like to find opportunities where we can add value, and that's unique and different, so that we're not really competing with others.
Speaker #4: That's kind of our goal, and that's what we've been doing, largely.
Speaker #8: Okay. All right. Thank you.
Todd Thomas: Okay. All right. Thank you.
Todd Thomas: Okay. All right. Thank you.
Speaker #1: We'll go next to Michael Herring with Green Street Capital.
Operator: We'll go next to Michael Herring with Green Street Capital.
Operator: We'll go next to Michael Herring with Green Street Capital.
Speaker #9: Hi, thanks. You guys offered some thoughts on online gaming and the likelihood that there would be legalization in various states. I'm just wondering, how does that impact how you're underwriting incremental capital deployment or new casino sale-leasebacks, relative to states without any sightline to iGaming?
Michael Herring: Hi. Thanks. You guys offered some thoughts on online gaming and the likelihood that there would be legalization in various states. I'm just wondering, how does that impact how you underwrite incremental capital deployment or new casino sale-leasebacks relative to states without any sight line to iGaming?
Michael Herring: Hi. Thanks. You guys offered some thoughts on online gaming and the likelihood that there would be legalization in various states. I'm just wondering, how does that impact how you underwrite incremental capital deployment or new casino sale-leasebacks relative to states without any sight line to iGaming?
Speaker #4: Look, I think overall, not much. Because the reality is, in states where iGaming has been prevalent for five or six years, it hasn't had an impact on the viability of our rent.
Brandon J. Moore: Look, I think overall, not much, because the reality is, in states where iGaming has been prevalent for five or six years, it hasn't had an impact on the viability of our rent. In other words, in a state like Pennsylvania, what we've seen is slower growth in bricks and mortar, not a deterioration in that business, and certainly not something that has gone to the level of impacting our tenants' ability and desire to pay rent. We keep a close eye on iGaming and the proliferation of iGaming and what it might mean, but I don't think it plays a significant role in how we would underwrite the acquisition of an asset.
Brandon Moore: Look, I think overall, not much, because the reality is, in states where iGaming has been prevalent for five or six years, it hasn't had an impact on the viability of our rent. In other words, in a state like Pennsylvania, what we've seen is slower growth in bricks and mortar, not a deterioration in that business, and certainly not something that has gone to the level of impacting our tenants' ability and desire to pay rent. We keep a close eye on iGaming and the proliferation of iGaming and what it might mean, but I don't think it plays a significant role in how we would underwrite the acquisition of an asset.
Speaker #4: In other words, in a state like Pennsylvania, what we've seen is slower growth in bricks and mortar—not a deterioration in that business.
Speaker #4: And certainly not something that has gone on to the level of impacting our tenants' ability and desire to pay rent. So, we keep a close eye on iGaming and the proliferation of iGaming and what it might mean.
Speaker #4: But I don't think it plays a significant role in how we would underwrite the acquisition of an asset. Now, that being said, if eye gaming came in into these states in a way that would be detrimental to the bricks and mortar, in other words, tax rates and things like that, that could effectively cause an operator to or disincentivize an operator to invest in their bricks and mortar property, we'll have to take that into consideration and certainly would.
Brandon J. Moore: Now, that being said, if iGaming came into these states in a way that would be detrimental to the bricks and mortar, in other words, tax rates and things like that could effectively cause an operator to, or disincentivize an operator to invest in their bricks and mortar property, we'll have to take that into consideration and certainly would. I don't think we see it as the end game to gaming. I think, as Peter has said many times, we feel like people do enjoy the entertainment. They enjoy going out to do it. It has resulted in a supplemental source of revenue for some of our tenants in states that have it, which has been a benefit to us when we have things like parent guarantees, because it's just created additional revenue to pay our rent.
Brandon Moore: Now, that being said, if iGaming came into these states in a way that would be detrimental to the bricks and mortar, in other words, tax rates and things like that could effectively cause an operator to, or disincentivize an operator to invest in their bricks and mortar property, we'll have to take that into consideration and certainly would. I don't think we see it as the end game to gaming. I think, as Peter has said many times, we feel like people do enjoy the entertainment. They enjoy going out to do it. It has resulted in a supplemental source of revenue for some of our tenants in states that have it, which has been a benefit to us when we have things like parent guarantees, because it's just created additional revenue to pay our rent.
Speaker #4: So, I don't think we see it as the endgame to gaming. I think, as Peter has said many times, we feel like people do enjoy the entertainment.
Speaker #4: They enjoy going out to do it. It has resulted in a supplemental source of revenue for some of our tenants in states that have it, which has been a benefit to us when we have things like parent guarantees, because it’s just created additional revenue to pay our rent.
Speaker #4: But I'd say we're cautious about it, but I don't think it has a tremendous impact on anything at the moment.
Brandon J. Moore: I'd say we're cautious about it, but I don't think it has a tremendous impact on anything at the moment.
Brandon Moore: I'd say we're cautious about it, but I don't think it has a tremendous impact on anything at the moment.
Speaker #8: Yeah. Let me note that Pennsylvania is supposed to be a state for excess—a state that, at one time, had been circumspect about expansive gaming, but has now sort of limited nothing.
Peter M. Carlino: Yeah. Let me note that Pennsylvania is the poster state for access. A state that at one time had been circumspect about expansive gaming has sort of limited nothing. Yet, in spite of that, the bricks-and-mortar facilities continue to do, let me say, acceptably well. They've been impacted, but not disastrously.
Peter Carlino: Yeah. Let me note that Pennsylvania is the poster state for access. A state that at one time had been circumspect about expansive gaming has sort of limited nothing. Yet, in spite of that, the bricks-and-mortar facilities continue to do, let me say, acceptably well. They've been impacted, but not disastrously.
Speaker #8: And yet, in spite of that, the bricks-and-mortar facilities continue to do, let me say, acceptably well. They've been impacted, but not disastrously.
Speaker #3: Michael, I'll just add to that. I mean, when you think about our underwriting and you look at our coverages and you look at the longevity of how healthy these coverages have been over a decade plus, when we underwrite things, we're underwriting 30-, 40-, 50-year leases. Anything and everything is kind of included in the "what could go wrong" category.
Carlo Santarelli: Michael, I'll just add to that. When you think about our underwriting and you look at our coverages and you look at the longevity of how healthy these coverages have been over a decade plus, when we underwrite things, we're underwriting 30, 40, 50-year leases. Anything and everything is kind of included in the what could go wrong category, and that's how you kind of keep rent coverages where they are and healthy. When we do think about stuff like that, obviously, iGaming is certainly a consideration in those bear and base cases.
Carlo Santarelli: Michael, I'll just add to that. When you think about our underwriting and you look at our coverages and you look at the longevity of how healthy these coverages have been over a decade plus, when we underwrite things, we're underwriting 30, 40, 50-year leases. Anything and everything is kind of included in the what could go wrong category, and that's how you kind of keep rent coverages where they are and healthy. When we do think about stuff like that, obviously, iGaming is certainly a consideration in those bear and base cases.
Speaker #3: And that's how you kind of keep rent coverages where they are and healthy. So, when we do think about stuff like that, obviously, iGaming is certainly a consideration in those bear and base cases.
Speaker #9: Thanks, I appreciate all those thoughts. Maybe just going back to the encouraging regional gaming trends that have been discussed, how has that impacted how you've been looking at structuring rent coverage?
Michael Herring: Thanks. I appreciate all those thoughts. Maybe just going back to the encouraging regional gaming trends that have been discussed, has that impacted how you've been looking at structuring rent coverage? On a similar note, do you have any sight line to your operators underwriting new redevelopments or CapEx into those properties?
Michael Herring: Thanks. I appreciate all those thoughts. Maybe just going back to the encouraging regional gaming trends that have been discussed, has that impacted how you've been looking at structuring rent coverage? On a similar note, do you have any sight line to your operators underwriting new redevelopments or CapEx into those properties?
Speaker #9: And then, on a similar note, do you have any sightline to your operators underwriting new redevelopments or CapEx into those properties?
Speaker #4: I think on the rent coverage piece, it's more validated our model for rent coverage, right? We've always been somewhat cautious around 2x rent coverage from the time we spun out in 2013.
Brandon J. Moore: I think on the rent coverage piece, it's more validated our model for rent coverage, right? We've always been somewhat cautious around two times rent coverage from the time we spun out in 2013. I think because you've seen those rent coverages bounce around a little bit, they're still very healthy. Here we are 13 years later. I think what you're seeing in these gaming markets is they ebb and flow, and there are different economic cycles that impact gaming just as it impacts other things. Gaming has been very resilient in the regional markets, as has it been on the Strip, quite frankly. It may have more volatility, but it's still there, and people are still investing. I think from my perspective, it sort of validates where we were in our rent coverage thought process initially, and that's why it continues to be healthy today.
Brandon Moore: I think on the rent coverage piece, it's more validated our model for rent coverage, right? We've always been somewhat cautious around two times rent coverage from the time we spun out in 2013. I think because you've seen those rent coverages bounce around a little bit, they're still very healthy. Here we are 13 years later. I think what you're seeing in these gaming markets is they ebb and flow, and there are different economic cycles that impact gaming just as it impacts other things. Gaming has been very resilient in the regional markets, as has it been on the Strip, quite frankly. It may have more volatility, but it's still there, and people are still investing. I think from my perspective, it sort of validates where we were in our rent coverage thought process initially, and that's why it continues to be healthy today.
Speaker #4: I think, as you've seen, those rent coverages bounce around a little bit, but they're still very healthy. Here we are, 13 years later. I think what you're seeing in these gaming markets is that they ebb and flow, and there are different economic cycles that impact gaming just as they impact other things.
Speaker #4: But gaming has been very resilient in the regional markets. Has it been on the Strip, quite frankly? It may have more volatility, but it's still there, and people are still investing.
Speaker #4: So I think, from my perspective, it sort of validates where we were in our rent coverage thought process initially. And that's why I continue to be healthy today.
Speaker #4: That's for the other pieces.
Brandon J. Moore: That's for the other pieces.
Brandon Moore: That's for the other pieces.
Speaker #2: What was the other question again? I'm sorry.
Steven L. Ladany: What was the other question again? I'm sorry.
Steve Ladany: What was the other question again? I'm sorry.
Speaker #9: I was just considering the strong trends and the success that you've seen from some of the properties that have received additional capex. Do you have much sightline to new investments?
Michael Herring: It was just considering the strong trends and the success that you've seen from some of the properties that have received additional CapEx.
Michael Herring: It was just considering the strong trends and the success that you've seen from some of the properties that have received additional CapEx.
Steven L. Ladany: Oh, you're on CapEx.
Steve Ladany: Oh, you're on CapEx.
Michael Herring: Do you have much sight line to new investments?
Michael Herring: Do you have much sight line to new investments?
Speaker #2: Yeah, sorry. On the CapEx front, if in fact one of our tenants was going to pursue a larger capital improvement, there's a notification process.
Steven L. Ladany: Yeah, sorry. On the CapEx front, if in fact one of our tenants was going to pursue a larger capital improvement, there's a notification process. They would come to us, and if they're interested in discussing with us potentially us funding the capital, they would obviously provide us with additional information. At the times in which they are pursuing those things, yes, we are receiving information, but just more generally speaking, nothing we can share with you.
Steve Ladany: Yeah, sorry. On the CapEx front, if in fact one of our tenants was going to pursue a larger capital improvement, there's a notification process. They would come to us, and if they're interested in discussing with us potentially us funding the capital, they would obviously provide us with additional information. At the times in which they are pursuing those things, yes, we are receiving information, but just more generally speaking, nothing we can share with you.
Speaker #2: They would come to us, and if they're interested in discussing with us, potentially us funding the capital, they would obviously provide us with additional information.
Speaker #2: So, at the times in which they are pursuing those things, yes, we are receiving information. But more generally speaking, there’s nothing we could share with you.
Michael Herring: And I think-
Michael Herring: And I think-
Brandon J. Moore: I think you have seen increased CapEx. Penn in particular in the last two years has had a renewed emphasis on putting capital back into the bricks and mortar. You've seen that in some other tenants as well. I think you'll continue to see that as the regional performance supports that CapEx spend.
Brandon Moore: I think you have seen increased CapEx. Penn in particular in the last two years has had a renewed emphasis on putting capital back into the bricks and mortar. You've seen that in some other tenants as well. I think you'll continue to see that as the regional performance supports that CapEx spend.
Speaker #4: Capex—I mean, Penn in particular in the last two years has had a renewed emphasis on putting capital back into the bricks and mortar.
Speaker #4: So anything that some other tenants as well. I think you'll continue to see that as the regional performance supports that CapEx spend.
Speaker #8: Yeah. Look, balance is a great illustration. In Baton Rouge, taking those two, dare I say, nondescript—almost, in one case, pretty dreadful—properties and converting them into a real asset has been just phenomenal.
Peter M. Carlino: Yeah, look, Belle of Baton Rouge is a great illustration in Baton Rouge. Taking those two, dare I say, nondescript, almost, into one case, pretty dreadful properties, and converting it into a real asset has been just phenomenal. In a very, very stable and established market, has actually grown the market, which we would've thought would be a long shot, but has actually created more demand. Amazing.
Peter Carlino: Yeah, look, Belle of Baton Rouge is a great illustration in Baton Rouge. Taking those two, dare I say, nondescript, almost, into one case, pretty dreadful properties, and converting it into a real asset has been just phenomenal. In a very, very stable and established market, has actually grown the market, which we would've thought would be a long shot, but has actually created more demand. Amazing.
Speaker #8: And in a very, very stable and established market, has actually grown the market—which we would have thought would be a long shot—but has actually created more demand.
Speaker #8: Amazing.
Speaker #9: Okay, I appreciate the thought. Thank you.
Michael Herring: Okay. Appreciate the thoughts. Thank you.
Michael Herring: Okay. Appreciate the thoughts. Thank you.
Speaker #1: And this now concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Peter Carlino for closing comments.
Operator: This now concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Peter Carlino for closing comments.
Operator: This now concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Peter Carlino for closing comments.
Speaker #4: Well, not much to add that we haven't shared already. We appreciate you dialing in today and look forward to seeing you again down the road next quarter.
Peter M. Carlino: Not much to add that we haven't shared already. We appreciate you dialing in today. Look forward to seeing you again down the road next quarter. See you then. Thank you. Operator, thank you very much. Joe, thanks.
Peter Carlino: Not much to add that we haven't shared already. We appreciate you dialing in today. Look forward to seeing you again down the road next quarter. See you then. Thank you. Operator, thank you very much. Joe, thanks.
Speaker #4: So, see you then. Thank you. Operator, thank you very much. Joe, thanks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.