Q2 2026 Carvana Co Earnings Call

July 29, 2026

Speaker #1: Hello, and welcome to the CARVANA second quarter 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.

Operator: Hello, welcome to the Carvana Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. I'll now turn the conference over to Meg Kehan, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #1: I will now turn the conference over to Meg Kehan, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Operator: I'll now turn the conference over to Meg Kehan, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us on CARVANA's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Please note that this call is being webcast and can be accessed, along with our Q2 shareholder letter and supplemental financial tables, on the investor relations section of the company's corporate website at investors.carvana.com.

Meg Kehan: Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on Carvana's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Please note that this call is being webcast and can be accessed along with our Q2 shareholder letter and supplemental financial tables on the Investor Relations section of the company's corporate website at investors.carvana.com. Joining me on the call today are Ernie Garcia, Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Jenkins, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that this discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal securities laws, including but not limited to Carvana's market opportunities and future financial results that involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. A detailed discussion of these factors can be found in the Risk Factors section of Carvana's most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q.

Speaker #2: Joining me on the call today are Ernie Garcia, Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Jenkins, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that this discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws including but not limited to CARVANA's market opportunities and future financial results, that involve risk and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here.

Speaker #2: A detailed discussion of these factors can be found in the Risk Factors section of Carvana's most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations as of today, and Carvana assumes no obligation to update or revise them.

Meg Kehan: A detailed discussion of these factors can be found in the Risk Factors section of Carvana's most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations as of today. Carvana assumes no obligation to update or revise them. Our commentary today will include non-GAAP financial metrics. GAAP reconciliations can be found in the shareholder letter posted on our IR website. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Ernie Garcia. Ernie?

Meg Kehan: These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations as of today. Carvana assumes no obligation to update or revise them. Our commentary today will include non-GAAP financial metrics. GAAP reconciliations can be found in the shareholder letter posted on our IR website. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Ernie Garcia. Ernie?

Speaker #2: Our commentary today will include non-GAAP financial metrics. GAAP reconciliations can be found in the shareholder letter posted on our IR website. And with that said, I would like to turn the call over to Ernie Garcia.

Speaker #2: Ernie?

Speaker #3: Thanks, Meg, and thanks, everyone, for joining the call. The second quarter was another exciting quarter for Carvana. We sold almost 200,000 cars in the quarter.

Ernie Garcia: Thanks, Meg, and thanks everyone for joining the call. Q2 was another exciting quarter for Carvana. We sold almost 200,000 cars in the quarter. The power of compounding is clear in that number, as it is almost double the number of cars we sold just two years ago. That sales volume puts us at just 2% market share of the used car market and 1.5% of the auto retail market as a whole. These numbers make the size of our opportunity exceedingly clear. In Q2, we also crossed over $3 billion adjusted EBITDA annual run rate for the first time. That adjusted EBITDA isn't your typical growth company variety, as is apparent based on how much flows further down the income statement. Our operating income and net income run rates were about $2.7 billion and $2 billion respectively.

Speaker #3: The power of compounding is clear in that number, as it is almost double the number of cars we sold just two years ago. That sales volume puts us at just 2% market share of the used car market and 1.5% of the auto retail market as a whole.

Speaker #3: These numbers make the size of our opportunity exceedingly clear. In Q2, we also crossed over $3 billion adjusted EBITDA annual run rate for the first time.

Speaker #3: And that adjusted EBITDA isn't your typical growth company variety, as is apparent based on how much flows further down the income statement. Our operating income and net income run rates were about $2.7 billion and $2 billion, respectively.

Speaker #3: In the shareholder letter, we shared some simple data related to the inventory growth and sales growth by region that looks detailed at first but tells a much bigger story.

Ernie Garcia: In the shareholder letter, we shared some simple data related to the inventory growth and sales growth by region that looks detailed at first, but that tells a much bigger story. Over the last couple of years, we've been rapidly adding retail production capacity to ADESA sites and existing inspection centers. This has led to variation in inventory growth rates in different parts of the country. The two regions where we added the most production capacity, the Midwest and the Northeast, grew inventory by 57%. In those markets, sales grew in Q2 by 54%. In the two regions where we added the least incremental production capacity over the last year, the West and the Southeast, we grew inventory by 17%. In those regions, sales grew by 30% in Q2. The middle two regions are also reported in the letter and validate this strong correlation.

Speaker #3: Over the last couple of years, we've been rapidly adding retail production capacity to Odessa sites and existing inspection centers. This has led to variation in inventory growth rates in different parts of the country.

Speaker #3: The two regions where we added the most production capacity, the Midwest and the Northeast, grew inventory by 57%. In those markets, sales grew in the second quarter by 54%.

Speaker #3: In the two regions where we added the least incremental production capacity over the last year, the West and the Southeast, we grew inventory by 17%.

Speaker #3: In those regions, sales grew by 30% in the second quarter. The middle two regions are also reported in the letter and validate this strong correlation.

Speaker #3: The correlation this data is driven by the positive feedback in our model we've discussed so many times before in conceptual form. When we grow inventory, any given customer is more likely to find a car they love and conversion goes up.

Ernie Garcia: The correlation of this data is driven by the positive feedback in our model we've discussed so many times before in conceptual form. When we grow inventory, any given customer is more likely to find a car they love and conversion goes up. When conversion goes up, marketing dollars get more efficient, and as a result, our marketing algorithms allocate more dollars to these markets and more customers in these markets come to our site. With more cars closer to more customers, delivery times go down, shipping fees reduce, logistics efficiency goes up, and conversion goes up again, restarting the loop as this causes us to grow inventory further. These simple data points clearly show all that positive feedback in action. It's only possible because of the machine we've built. It drives our strategy and prioritization.

Speaker #3: When conversion goes up, marketing dollars get more efficient, and as a result, our marketing algorithms allocate more dollars to these markets and more customers in these markets come to our site.

Speaker #3: With more cars closer to more customers, delivery times go down, shipping fees reduce, logistics efficiency goes up, and conversion goes up again—restarting the loop, as this causes us to grow inventory further.

Speaker #3: These simple data points clearly show all that positive feedback in action. It's only possible because of the machine we've built, and it drives our strategy and prioritization.

Ernie Garcia: These simple data points clearly show all that positive feedback in action. It's only possible because of the machine we've built. It drives our strategy and prioritization. Building this machine and the unmatched customer experiences it delivers is the key to our future success. The bigger it is, the wider the moat. Our midterm goal is to build this machine to sell 3 million cars per year at 13.5% adjusted EBITDA margin by 2030 to 2035. When we announced this goal with our Q1 2025 results, we needed to grow to about 6x our scale in order to achieve it.

Speaker #3: Building this machine and the unmatched customer experiences it delivers is the key to our future success. And the bigger it is, the wider the moat.

Ernie Garcia: Building this machine and the unmatched customer experiences it delivers is the key to our future success. The bigger it is, the wider the moat. Our midterm goal is to build this machine to sell 3 million cars per year at 13.5% adjusted EBITDA margin by 2030 to 2035. When we announced this goal with our Q1 2025 results, we needed to grow to about 6 times our scale in order to achieve it. Now, 5 quarters later, we need to grow to under 4 times our current scale in order to achieve it. The path is very clear, and there's a lot of execution to do. We have to keep building, we have to keep hiring, we have to keep training, we have to keep caring, and we have to continually improve every part of the machine. We've been doing all those things for the last 13 years.

Speaker #3: Our midterm goal is to build this machine to sell 3 million cars per year at a 13.5% adjusted EBITDA margin by 2030 to 2035. When we announce this goal with our Q1 2025 results, we will need to grow to about 6 times our current scale in order to achieve it.

Speaker #3: Now, five quarters later, we need to grow to under 4 times our current scale in order to achieve it. The path is very clear, and there's a lot of execution to do.

Ernie Garcia: Now, five quarters later, we need to grow to under 4x our current scale in order to achieve it. The path is very clear, and there's a lot of execution to do. We have to keep building, we have to keep hiring, we have to keep training, we have to keep caring, and we have to continually improve every part of the machine. We've been doing all those things for the last 13 years. We aren't going to stop. We are still just getting started. The march continues. Mark?

Speaker #3: We have to keep building, we have to keep hiring, we have to keep training, we have to keep caring, and we have to continually improve every part of the machine.

Speaker #3: We've been doing all those things for the last 13 years. We aren't going to stop. We are still just getting started. The march continues.

Ernie Garcia: We aren't going to stop. We are still just getting started. The march continues. Mark?

Speaker #3: Mark?

Speaker #1: Thank you, Ernie, and thank you all for joining us today. Unless otherwise noted, all comparisons will be on a year-over-year basis. Q2 was another strong quarter, reflecting our team's continued focus on profitable growth and operational execution.

Mark Jenkins: Thank you, Ernie, thank you all for joining us today. Unless otherwise noted, all comparisons will be on a year-over-year basis. Q2 was another strong quarter, reflecting our team's continued focus on profitable growth and operational execution. We set new company records for retail units sold, revenue, gross profit, SG&A expense per retail unit sold, GAAP, operating income, and adjusted EBITDA. Retail units sold totaled 197,325 in Q2, an increase of 38% and a new company record. Revenue was $7.376 billion, an increase of 52%, and a new company record. Revenue growth exceeded retail units sold growth primarily due to traditional gross revenue treatment for certain vehicles acquired from a large retail marketplace partner, higher industry-wide prices, and a mix shift into newer and higher-cost vehicles.

Speaker #1: We set new company records for retail units sold, revenue, gross profit, SG&A expense per retail unit sold, GAAP operating income, and adjusted EBITDA. Retail units sold totaled $197,325 in Q2, an increase of 38% and a new company record.

Speaker #1: Revenue was $7.376 billion an increase of 52% and a new company record. Revenue growth exceeded retail units sold growth primarily due to traditional gross revenue treatment for certain vehicles acquired from a large retail marketplace partner, higher industry-wide prices, and a mixed shift into newer and higher-cost vehicles.

Speaker #1: The gross revenue treatment change will no longer affect year-over-year comparisons beginning in Q3, and we expect revenue growth to be more in line with retail unit growth in Q3.

Mark Jenkins: The gross revenue treatment change will no longer affect year-over-year comparisons beginning in Q3, and we expect revenue growth to be more in line with retail unit growth in Q3. Consistent with past quarters, our growth in Q2 was driven by our three long-term drivers of growth, a continuously improving customer offering, increasing awareness, understanding, and trust, and increasing inventory selection and other benefits of scale. Even beyond automotive retail, our growth continues to stand out. Our organic revenue growth in our most recent quarter ranks in the top 5% of S&P 500 companies, making us one of the fastest-growing large, profitable companies across all industries. Q2 marked our 10th consecutive quarter of industry-leading retail unit growth and adjusted EBITDA margin. Non-GAAP retail GPU decreased by $105, primarily driven by lapping the approximately $100 benefit from tariff-related effects last year.

Speaker #1: Consistent with past quarters, our growth in the second quarter was driven by our three long-term drivers of growth: a continuously improving customer offering, increasing awareness, understanding, and trust, and increasing inventory selection and other benefits of scale.

Speaker #1: Even beyond automotive retail, our growth continues to stand out. Our organic revenue growth and our most recent quarter ranks in the top 5% of S&P 500 companies, making us one of the fastest-growing large profitable companies across all industries.

Speaker #1: The second quarter marked our 10th consecutive quarter of industry-leading retail unit growth and adjusted EBITDA margin. Non-GAAP retail GPU decreased by 105 approximately $100 benefit from tariff-related effects last year.

Speaker #1: Non-vehicle costs were higher, primarily due to inbound transport fuel prices, more than offset by higher retail appreciation. Non-GAAP wholesale GPU decreased by $158, driven by our 38% retail units sold growth outpacing wholesale gross profit.

Mark Jenkins: Non-vehicle costs were higher, primarily due to inbound transport fuel prices, more than offset by higher retail appreciation. Non-GAAP wholesale GPU decreased by $158, driven by our 38% retail unit sold growth outpacing wholesale gross profit. Non-GAAP other GPU decreased by $192, primarily driven by our decision to give back to customers in the form of lower interest rates, as well as higher benchmark rates, partially offset by lower cost of funds, higher average amount finance, and higher finance attach rates. Total GPU aligned with our expectations, with a shift in allocation between retail and other components driven primarily by industry retail pricing dynamics and benchmark rate increases, respectively. Q2 was another strong quarter for levering SG&A expenses.

Speaker #1: Non-GAAP other GPU decreased by 192 dollars, primarily driven by our decision to give back to customers in the form of lower interest rates, as well as higher benchmark rates partially offset by lower cost of funds, higher average amount finance, and higher finance attach rates.

Speaker #1: Total GPU aligned with our expectations, with a shift in allocation between retail and other components driven primarily by industry retail pricing dynamics and benchmark rate increases, respectively.

Speaker #1: Q2 was another strong quarter for levering SG&A expenses. Our 38% growth in retail units sold led to a $157 reduction in non-GAAP SG&A expense per retail unit sold, reflecting a $272 reduction in overhead expenses, partially offset by an $88 increase in operations expenses, primarily due to higher fuel prices.

Mark Jenkins: Our 38% growth in retail units sold led to a $157 reduction in non-GAAP SG&A expense per retail unit sold, reflecting a $272 reduction in overhead expenses, partially offset by an $88 increase in operations expenses, primarily due to higher fuel prices. Advertising expense increased by $27 per retail unit sold, as we continue to invest in building awareness, understanding, and trust in our offering. We expect an increase in advertising expense dollars in Q3. We continue to see opportunities for significant SG&A expense leverage over time and as we scale, driven by both continued improvements in operational expenses as well as leverage in the fixed component of our cost structure. Net income was $513 million, an increase of $205 million. Net income margin was 7%, an increase from 6.4%. Adjusted EBITDA was a record $769 million, an increase of $168 million year over year.

Speaker #1: Advertising expense increased by 27 dollars per retail unit sold as we continue to invest in building awareness, understanding, and trust in our offering. We expect an increase in advertising expense dollars in Q3.

Speaker #1: We continue to see opportunities for significant SG&A expense leverage over time and as we scale, driven by both continued improvements in operational expenses as well as leverage in the fixed component of our cost structure.

Speaker #1: Net income was $513 million, an increase of $205 million. Net income margin was 7%, an increase from 6.4%. Adjusted EBITDA was a record $769 million, an increase of $168 million year-over-year.

Speaker #1: Revenue exceeded $3 billion for the first time, marking another company milestone. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.4%, a decrease from 12.4%, primarily driven by increased retail revenue per unit resulting from the traditional gross revenue treatment mentioned previously.

Mark Jenkins: Rate exceeded $3 billion for the first time, marking another company milestone. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.4%, a decrease from 12.4%, primarily driven by increased retail revenue per unit resulting from the traditional gross revenue treatment mentioned previously. GAAP operating income was $680 million or 88% of adjusted EBITDA, an increase of $169 million and a new company record. As discussed in prior quarters, we continue to drive toward investment-grade quality credit ratios over time. In Q2, we again reduced our net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA ratio to 1.0x our strongest financial position ever. Our results in Q1 and Q2 position us well for a strong Q3 and Q4. Looking forward, we expect the following as long as the environment remains stable. 1, a sequential increase in retail units sold in Q3 compared to Q2.

Speaker #1: GAAP operating income was $680 million, or 88% of adjusted EBITDA, an increase of $169 million, and a new company record. As discussed in prior quarters, we continue to drive toward investment-grade quality credit ratios over time.

Speaker #1: In Q2, we again reduced our net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA ratio to 1.0x, our strongest financial position ever. Our results in Q1 and Q2 position us well for a strong Q3 and Q4.

Speaker #1: Looking forward, we expect the following as long as the environment remains stable. One, a sequential increase in retail units sold in Q3 compared to Q2, and two, adjusted EBITDA of 2.7 to 3.0 billion for the full year 2026, an increase from 2.24 billion last year.

Mark Jenkins: 2, adjusted EBITDA of $2.7 to 3.0 billion for the full year 2026, an increase from $2.24 billion last year. In closing, we are excited about what our team accomplished in Q2. We remain focused on executing at a high level, delivering profitable growth, and making steady progress toward our long-term goals of becoming the largest and most profitable auto retailer and buying and selling millions of cars. Thanks for your attention. We'll now take questions.

Mark Jenkins: 2, adjusted EBITDA of $2.7 to 3.0 billion for the full-year 2026, an increase from $2.24 billion last year. In closing, we are excited about what our team accomplished in Q2. We remain focused on executing at a high level, delivering profitable growth, and making steady progress toward our long-term goals of becoming the largest and most profitable auto retailer and buying and selling millions of cars. Thanks for your attention. We'll now take questions.

Speaker #1: In closing, we are excited about what our team accomplished in Q2. We remain focused on executing at a high level, delivering profitable growth, and making steady progress toward our long-term goals of becoming the largest and most profitable auto retailer, and buying and selling millions of cars.

Speaker #1: Thanks for your attention. We'll now take questions.

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Operator: Thank you. If you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star one again. We do ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. One moment, please, for your first question.

Speaker #2: We do ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Daniela Hagen of Morgan Stanley.

Operator: Your first question comes from the line of Daniela Haigian of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: Your line is open.

Speaker #3: Hi, thanks for taking my question. For what it's worth, I do think the webcast is out, so you might get some questions there. First question is: what's the progress update on reconditioning operations, specifically?

Daniela Haigian: Hi. Thanks for taking a question. For what it's worth, I do think the webcast is out, so you might get some questions there. First question is on, what's the progress update on reconditioning operations specifically? That was something a lot of people were speaking about in the H1 of the year. Can you disaggregate how much of the recent retail GPU dynamics is coming from gains there versus a supportive or favorable used car pricing environment?

Speaker #3: That was something a lot of people were speaking about in the first half of the year. Can you disaggregate how much of the recent retail GPU dynamics is coming from gains there versus a supportive or favorable used car pricing environment?

Speaker #1: Sure. So I think, first of all, we're working on the webcast. The team is aware of that, so thanks for the heads-up. So I would say yes, I think the team's done a great job.

Ernie Garcia: Sure. I think, first of all, we're working on the webcast. The team is aware of that, so thanks for the heads up. I would say, yes. I think the team's done a great job. As we spoke last time, they worked really quickly in a couple of months, got costs back into a great place. I think that was step one of the plan. Step two of the plan was to return back to growth. Our inventory growth slowed a bit there as we were focused on costs. I think around mid Q2, the team started to get our kind of inventory growth moving back closer in line with sales growth. I think that's great. Step three, we plan now to shift to cars that are closer to our traditional mix in terms of age of cars and mileage, et cetera.

Speaker #1: As we spoke last time, they worked really quickly—in a couple of months, got costs back into a great place. I think that was step one of the plan.

Speaker #1: Step two of the plan was to return to growth. Our inventory growth slowed a bit there, as we were focused on costs, and I think around mid-Q2, the team started to get our inventory growth moving back closer in line with sales growth.

Speaker #1: So I think that's great. And then step three, we planned out to shift to cars that are closer to our traditional mix in terms of age of cars, mileage, etc.

Speaker #1: We've been moving up a little bit in car price, and to a little bit more near-aged cars, as we've gone through this over the last couple of months.

Ernie Garcia: We've been moving up a little bit in car price and to a little bit more near age cars as we've gone through this over the last couple of months. I think that's all going great and is right on track. I think the retail strength, the simplest and probably most dramatic part of that is during the quarter, the FTC put out guidance to all dealers that they were required to update their pricing to include doc fees and also any products that were required to be purchased with a car. For us, obviously, that has no impact. We haven't had dealer fees, and we don't have products that are required to be purchased with a car. For many dealers, that was certainly a change.

Speaker #1: So I think that's all going great and is right on track. I think the retail strength, I think, had the most the simplest and probably most dramatic part of that is during the quarter, the FTC put out guidance to all dealers that they were required to update their pricing to include doc fees and also any products that were required to be purchased with a car.

Speaker #1: For us, obviously, that has no impact. We haven't had dealer fees and we don't have products that are required to be purchased with a car.

Speaker #1: But for many dealers, that was certainly a change. And as a result, over the subsequent several months, basically from April through June, many dealers were adjusting to that change, and then that was changing the underlying data that we were seeing that powers our pricing algorithms.

Ernie Garcia: As a result, over the subsequent several months, basically from April through June, many dealers were adjusting to that change, that was changing the underlying data that we were seeing that powers our pricing algorithms. We've been making those adjustments, and kind of figuring out the implications of that. As those changes were being made, we were following the market, that led to some of the outsized gains. I think there's a couple other puts and takes, but for the most part, I think things are operating as expected there.

Speaker #1: We've been making those adjustments and kind of figuring out the implications of that. But as those changes were being made, we were following the market, and that led to some of the outsized gains.

Speaker #1: I think there are a couple of other puts and takes, but for the most part, I think things are operating as expected there.

Speaker #3: Thank you. And then my second question is on the financing piece. How do you think about the outlook on financing margins as you have changes in benchmark rates?

Daniela Haigian: Thank you. My second question is on the financing piece. How do you think about the outlook on financing margins as you have changes in benchmark rates? How much of the risk is hedged, and how do you think about holding margin versus holding rates steady for consumers?

Speaker #3: How much of the risk is hedged, and how do you think about holding margin versus holding rates steady for consumers?

Speaker #1: Yeah. I would put that back in the context of the previous answer a little bit. So I think the way that we try to think about this is we're trying to build a big machine, and that machine delivers great experiences, and then it kicks off great unit economics.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. I would put that back in the context of the previous answer a little bit. I think, the way that we try to think about this is we're trying to build a big machine, that machine delivers great experiences, it kicks off great unit economics. I think this quarter gave a great example of the flexibility of that machine. When we saw these price changes that were flowing through to higher retail GPUs, we also saw the increase in benchmark rates, we basically paused our response to the benchmark rates to make sure that we were understanding the sum of those two changes, just have fewer moving pieces. I think that that's the kind of flexibility that we have.

Speaker #1: And I think this quarter gave a great example of the flexibility of that machine. So when we saw these price changes that were flowing through to higher retail GPUs, and then we also saw the increase in benchmark rates, we basically paused our response to the benchmark rates to make sure that we were understanding some of those two changes, just to have fewer moving pieces.

Speaker #1: And I think that's the kind of flexibility that we have. But overall, I think total GPU, when you add the two up, came in right as we would have expected. And I think, again, it just kind of demonstrates the overall flexibility of the model.

Ernie Garcia: Overall, I think total GPU, when you add the two up, came in right as we would have expected, I think again, just kind of demonstrates the overall flexibility of the model.

Speaker #3: Great. Thank you, Ernie.

Daniela Haigian: Great. Thank you, Ernie.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of John Colantoni of Jefferies. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from line of John Colantuoni of Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker #4: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to come back to the pricing versus rates dynamic. Can you talk to your strategy of keeping consumer-facing interest rates stable despite higher benchmark rates rather than maintaining retail prices?

John Colantuoni: Great, thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to come back to the pricing versus rates dynamic. Can you talk to your strategy of keeping consumer-facing interest rates stable despite higher benchmark rates rather than maintaining retail prices? I'm curious if you're seeing a higher ROI on investments into rates rather than investments into pricing. I have a follow-up after that.

Speaker #4: I'm curious if you're seeing a higher ROI on investments into rates rather than investments into pricing. And I have a follow-up after that.

Speaker #1: Sure. Again, I think the way that we try to think about these things in general is to make the machine as efficient as possible overall, across all line items.

Ernie Garcia: Sure. I would again go, I think the way that we try to think about these things in general is make the machine as efficient as possible, overall, across all line items. We are separately trying to make as much progress as possible in making that machine better, in the form of fundamental gains and foundational capabilities we've talked about in the past. I think Other GPU is a great place to look at exactly those kind of fundamental gains and to see the types of choices that we're making. Year over year, I think Other GPU, to some degree as a result of the effects we just spoke about, was down just shy of $200. During that same period, we passed back over 100 basis points of rate to our customers.

Ernie Garcia: Sure. I would again go, I think the way that we try to think about these things in general is make the machine as efficient as possible, overall, across all line items. We are separately trying to make as much progress as possible in making that machine better, in the form of fundamental gains and foundational capabilities we've talked about in the past. I think Other GPU is a great place to look at exactly those kind of fundamental gains and to see the types of choices that we're making. Year-over year, I think Other GPU, to some degree as a result of the effects we just spoke about, was down just shy of $200. During that same period, we passed back over 100 basis points of rate to our customers.

Speaker #1: And then we are separately trying to make as much progress as possible in making that machine better in the form of fundamental gains and foundational capabilities.

Speaker #1: We've talked about this in the past. I think our GPU is a great place to look at exactly those kinds of fundamental gains and to see the types of choices that we're making.

Speaker #1: Year over year, I think other GPU, to some degree, as a result of the effects we just spoke about, was down just shy of $200.

Speaker #1: During that same period, we passed back over 100 basis points of rate to our customers. I think if you do the math on passing back rate to customers, a good estimate is maybe $4 to $5 per basis point that we pass back to our customers in rate.

Ernie Garcia: I think if you do the math on passing back rate to customers, it's probably a good estimate is maybe $4 to $5 per basis point that we pass back to our customers in rate. Given all the rate that we passed back, all else constant, you probably would have expected something closer to a $500 reduction in Other GPU, but we actually saw was $200. That's because there's give or take $300 of fundamental gains in there. We take those fundamental gains, and we try to figure out what's the best thing to do for the business and our customers in the long run. We've elected to pass those back over time, as we think that that's the right thing to do on our path to 3 million and 13.5.

Speaker #1: And so, given all the rate that we passed back, all else constant, you probably would have expected something closer to a $500 reduction in other GPU, but we actually saw it was $200.

Speaker #1: That's because there's, give or take, $300 of fundamental gains in there. And then we take those fundamental gains and try to figure out what's the best thing to do for the business and our customers in the long run.

Speaker #1: And we've elected to pass those back over time, as we think that's the right thing to do on our path to 3 million and 13.5.

Speaker #4: Okay, great. And second, with labor hours per unit approaching all-time best levels since April, I'm curious if you're expecting to see an incremental tailwind to retail GPU from this dynamic in the third quarter.

John Colantuoni: Okay, great. Second, with labor hours per unit approaching all-time best levels since April, I'm curious if you're expecting to see an incremental tailwind to retail GPU from this dynamic in Q3, given you don't record the lower reconditioning costs until the cars are actually sold. Thanks.

Speaker #4: Given you don't record the lower reconditioning costs until the cars are actually sold. Thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah, I think that conceptually holds. And then I think we are also at a place where our hours per unit is in a very good spot.

Ernie Garcia: I think that conceptually holds. I think we are also at a place where our hours per unit is in a very good spot, and I think the realistic variability in those rates aren't huge dollars. They're not dollars that we would really want you to take in one direction or the other. I think there's more noise in just building a machine of this complexity at the pace that we're building it than there is certainty that any given move there will flow through to the bottom line in any given period. I think there's clearly opportunity for us there over time, and we will seek to get it as quickly as we possibly can.

Speaker #1: And I think the realistic variability in those rates aren't huge dollars, so they're not dollars that we would really want you to kind of take in one direction or the other.

Speaker #1: I think there's more noise in just building a machine of this complexity at the pace that we're building it than there is, I think, certainty that any given move there will flow through to the bottom line in any given period.

Speaker #1: But I think there's clearly opportunity for us there over time, and we will seek to get it as quickly as we possibly can. But I think given the way the business is performing and the unit economics, it kicks off.

Ernie Garcia: I think given the way the business is performing and the unit economics it kicks off, the most important thing we can do is just make sure our costs are in a really good spot and then continue to build the machine. I think today in step 2 and step 3 of that inventory plan we discussed earlier, we're really focused on making sure we get inventory growth back up. Inventory has undergrown sales over the last several months, and that certainly creates a headwind to just the overall business. The team's got a great plan, and we're confident they'll catch up and hopefully surpass it and not just in future. We got to make sure we do that and execute. That, I would say, is the primary objective today in that group.

Speaker #1: The most important thing we can do is just make sure our costs are in a really good spot, and then continue to build the machine.

Speaker #1: So I think today, in step two and step three of that inventory plan we discussed earlier, we're really focused on making sure we get inventory growth back up.

Speaker #1: Its inventory has undergone sales declines over the last several months, and that certainly creates a headwind to the overall business. The team's got a great plan, and we're confident they'll catch up.

Speaker #1: And hopefully surpass it—and not just in the future—but we've got to make sure we do that and execute. And that, I would say, is the primary objective today in that group.

Speaker #4: Thanks. Appreciate the question.

John Colantuoni: Thanks. Appreciate the question.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Appreciate it.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you. Appreciate it.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from a line of Rajat. Gupta, of JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rajat Gupta of JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: All right, great. Thanks for taking the question. So, Ernie, in the past you have hinted that EBITDA per unit is an important metric that you care about, and you know investors do as well.

Rajat Gupta: Great. Thanks for taking the question. Ernie, in the past you have hinted that EBITDA per unit is an important metric that you care about and you know investors do as well. I mean, the used car industry will continue to have these pricing fluctuations, like the two-year rate fluctuations. We've had three quarters of lower EBITDA per unit in a row. I'm curious if you can give us a sense of when investors should expect that to return to growth. Do you think it can happen later this year? Is it a 2027 story? Any color on that would be helpful. I have a quick follow-up.

Speaker #5: I mean, the used car industry will continue to have these pricing fluctuations, like the two-year rate fluctuations. We've had three quarters of lower EBITDA per unit in a row.

Speaker #5: I'm curious if you can give us a sense of when investors should expect that to return to growth. Do you think it can happen later this year?

Speaker #5: Is it a 2027 story? Any color on that would be helpful, and I have a quick follow-up.

Speaker #1: Sure. I'm going to, again, go back to this framework. I think it's all part of the big machine that we're trying to build, and we're trying to make as much progress in both growth and EBITDA dollars per unit as we possibly can.

Ernie Garcia: Sure. I'm going to again go back to the framework of, I think it's all part of the big machine that we're trying to build, we're trying to make as much progress in both growth and EBITDA dollars per unit, as we possibly can. I think when you look year-over-year, I think this quarter we were down about $300 in EBITDA dollars per unit. Quarter-over-quarter, I think we were up about $300. If you break it down this quarter, I think there's some pretty clear year-over-year impacts. Last year, we had a tariff benefit that was around $100. Gas prices moved up pretty dramatically throughout the quarter. That probably cost us something on the order of $75 across the entirety of the income statement. I think there were a couple things that kind of flowed through that helped to explain that.

Speaker #1: I think when you look year over year, I think this quarter we were down about $300 in EBITDA dollars per unit. Quarter over quarter, I think we were up about $300.

Speaker #1: If you break it down, this quarter I think there are some pretty clear year-over-year impacts. Last year, we had a tariff benefit that was around $100, and gas prices moved up pretty dramatically throughout the quarter.

Speaker #1: That probably cost us something on the order of $75 across the entirety of the income statement. I think there were a couple of things that kind of flowed through that helped to explain that.

Speaker #1: Benchmark rates moving certainly didn't help us in the quarter, so I think those things are moving around a little bit. But I think we're extremely happy that we were able to deliver 38% growth, still be there with a map that's that clean, and we did it at a time when our inventory wasn't growing as fast as we wish it were.

Ernie Garcia: Benchmark rates moving certainly didn't help us in the quarter. I think those things are moving around a little bit, I think we're extremely happy that we were able to deliver 38% growth, still be there with a math that's that clean. We did it at a time when our inventory wasn't growing as fast as we wish it were. I spoke in my prepared remarks about those graphs that kind of show the extremely strong relationship between inventory growth and sales growth in all these different regions. When you kind of extrapolate that to the company as a whole, that obviously has a large impact as well. We clearly undergrew sales during the quarter. As I said, the team's got that back on track and we're starting to catch up, we have not yet caught up.

Speaker #1: I spoke in my prepared remarks about those graphs that kind of show the extremely strong relationship between inventory growth and sales growth in all these different regions.

Speaker #1: When you kind of extrapolate that to the company as a whole, that obviously has a large impact as well. And we clearly undergrew sales during the quarter.

Speaker #1: As I said, the team's got that back on track, and we're starting to catch up, but we have not yet caught up. That puts a headwind on the business that has to show up some way; either it's going to show up in lower sales or lower profitability overall, but that's just kind of, again, part of building that machine and balancing it.

Ernie Garcia: That puts a headwind on the business that has to show up some way. Either it's going to show up in lower sales or lower profitability overall, that's just kind of, again, part of building that machine and balancing it. I think the team's growing the machine, scaling it, adding fundamental gains, as we just discussed in Other GPU. We're on a great path, I think we've just got to march and execute. I think the hardest stuff that we have to do is make sure that we're executing across every different operational part of the business. If we do that, the demand is clearly there as shows up in those graphs.

Speaker #1: So I think the team's growing the machine, scaling it, adding fundamental gains. We just discussed another GPU, we're on a great path, and I think we just have to march and execute.

Speaker #1: I think the hardest stuff that we have to do is make sure that we're executing across every different operational part of the business. And if we do that, the demand is clearly there, as shows up in those graphs.

Speaker #5: Understood. That's clear. Just a quick follow-up. So, I think 2025 was a pretty clean year in terms of the seasonal cadence of the business.

Rajat Gupta: Understood. That's clear. Just a quick follow-up. I think 2025 was a pretty clean year in terms of just the seasonal cadence of the business. In H2 of 2025, you actually grew EBITDA versus H1, despite a pretty challenging Q4. The guidance would imply a step down this time, despite the fact that you're actually now catching up to production better in Q2. You're in a more better run rate on production in H2 versus H1. Just curious, what's driving that conservatism, or is there anything that we are missing in terms of the dynamics between H1 and H2 relative to last year when it looks like things are actually getting better from an execution standpoint? Thanks.

Speaker #5: In the second half of ’25, you actually grew EBITDA versus the first half, despite a pretty challenging fourth quarter. The guidance would imply a step-down this time, despite the fact that you’re actually now catching up to production better in the second quarter—more, better run rate on production in the second half versus the first half.

Speaker #5: So, just curious—what's driving that conservatism? Or is there anything that we're missing in terms of the dynamics between the first half and second half relative to last year?

Speaker #5: When it looks like things are actually getting better from an execution standpoint, thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah, I think we've got to stick with guidance. I think once we start giving guidance on guidance, it gets complicated. But I think, listen, we said this in the opening of the shareholder letter and also in my prepared remarks.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. I think we got to stick with guidance. I think once we start giving guidance on guidance, I think it gets complicated. I think, listen, I think we said this in the opening of the shareholder letter and also in my prepared remarks. The most important thing is execution. I think it is very likely clear. Again, I'm going to call back to those graphs. When you look at those graphs and you really think about the implications of those graphs, it's pretty clear if we build the machine and we deliver great experiences, the demand is available. If the demand is available, it will show up in some combination of growth and improving unit economics. The demand has to express through that. I think the question looking forward is generally is about our ability to execute.

Speaker #1: The most important thing is execution. And I think it's very likely clear. Again, I'm going to call back to those graphs. When you look at those graphs and you really think about the implications of those graphs, it's pretty clear: if we build the machine and we deliver great experiences, the demand is available.

Speaker #1: If the demand is available, it will show up in some combination of growth and improving unit economics. That's just—the demand has to express through that.

Speaker #1: So I think the question, looking forward, is generally just about our ability to execute. And I think the team's done an incredible job executing.

Ernie Garcia: I think the team's done an incredible job executing. I also think that the execution is always uncertain as we look forward several months. We're always going to take that into account as we're looking forward, but we're confident we're executing really well. The question is how well do we build out the machine? Because the machine generates the demand and creates the unit economics.

Speaker #1: But I also think that execution is always uncertain as we look forward several months, and so we're always going to take that into account as we're looking forward.

Speaker #1: But we're confident we're executing really well. The question is, how well do we build out the machine? Because the machine generates the demand and creates the unit economics.

Speaker #5: Understood. Thank you. Good luck.

Rajat Gupta: Understood. Thank you. Good luck.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Ron Josie of Citi. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ron Josey of Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker #4: Great, thanks for taking the call and the question. Ernie, I wanted to go back to the 'execute on execute' and specifically understand a little bit more about Roll Call and Leader Hub. I'm wondering if you can give us some insights on whether that's been fully rolled out across the IRCs, and if that's what's needed for inventory to get to that level that the team needs to drive continued growth?

Ron Josey: Great. Thanks for taking the call, the question. Ernie, I wanted to go back to the execute on execute and specifically understand a little bit more about Roll Call and Leader Hub and wondering, can you give us some insights on whether that's been fully rolled out across the IRCs, and is that what's needed for inventory to get to that level that the team needs to drive continued growth? That was question one. Then, with all the comments on AI and with Sebastian being used more and more, just any insights on conversion rates, given just greater usage of Sebastian? Thank you.

Speaker #4: That was question one. And then, with all the comments on AI and with Sebastian being used more and more, just any insights? Oh, excuse me.

Speaker #4: Any insights on conversion rates, given just greater use of Sebastian? Thank you.

Speaker #1: Yeah, okay. So on the inventory plan, no, our new tools are not fully rolled out everywhere. And so I think that's certainly an opportunity. I think the team has rolled out process improvements everywhere, even where the technology is not yet fully rolled out.

Ernie Garcia: Okay, on the inventory plan, no, our new tools are not fully rolled out everywhere. I think that's certainly opportunity. I think the team has rolled out process improvements everywhere, even where the technology is not yet fully rolled out. I think we're seeing very strong results. You're seeing that in our HPU costs and in the fact that we started to grow inventory again in the middle of the quarter. I think there's good stuff in front of us, and I think it's a function of how well we execute. Then I think, yeah, the progress that we're seeing across the entire business, enabled by AI, whether it's just every product in the business being able to move more quickly or if it's customer experiences getting better and simpler, I think that's exceedingly clear.

Speaker #1: And I think we're seeing very strong results. So you're seeing that in our HPU costs and in the fact that we started to grow inventory again in the middle of the quarter.

Speaker #1: So, I think there's good stuff in front of us, and I think it's a function of how well we execute. And then, I think, yeah, the progress that we're seeing across the entire business enabled by AI—whether it's just every product in the business being able to move more quickly, or it's customer experiences getting better and simpler.

Speaker #1: I think that's exceedingly clear. I think that may take the form of Sebastian, so it may happen in kind of chat, or it may take the form of different kinds of features that we've built throughout the website that either pull customers into Sebastian or provide information that Sebastian would have otherwise provided.

Ernie Garcia: I think that may take the form of Sebastian, so it may happen in chat, or it may take the form of different kind of features that we've built throughout the website that either pull customers into Sebastian or provide information that Sebastian would have otherwise provided. I think a reasonable way to think about that is just to think about what is the customer care cost over the last several years and what's happening there. I think if the website is infinitely intelligent and can answer every customer question on its own, through whatever tool you put in front of them, then there would not be calls into customer care, and our customer care expenses would be zero. If we just look at what's happened over the last several years, three years ago, customer care costs went down 40% year over year.

Speaker #1: I think a reasonable way to think about that is just to think about what the customer care cost has been over the last several years and what's happening there.

Speaker #1: I think if the website is infinitely intelligent and can answer every customer question on its own, through whatever tool you put in front of them, then there would not be calls into customer care, and our customer care expenses would be zero.

Speaker #1: If we just look at kind of what's happened over the last several years: three years ago, customer care costs went down 40% year-over-year.

Speaker #1: Two years ago, it went down an additional 30% year over year. One year ago, it went down 20% year over year. This year, we went down an additional 10% year over year.

Ernie Garcia: Two years ago, it went down an additional 30% year over year. One year ago, it went down 20% year over year. This year, we went down an additional 10% year over year. I think the sum of the effects of those compounding gains is clearly showing up. I think we've got a lot of great ideas and a lot of great work still in front of us that we need to just make sure we execute on and unlock the fundamental gains that come with it.

Ernie Garcia: Two years ago, it went down an additional 30% year-over-year. One year ago, it went down 20% year-over-year. This year, we went down an additional 10% year-over-year. I think the sum of the effects of those compounding gains is clearly showing up. I think we've got a lot of great ideas and a lot of great work still in front of us that we need to just make sure we execute on and unlock the fundamental gains that come with it.

Speaker #1: So, I think the sum of the effects of those compounding gains is clearly showing up. And I think we've got a lot of great ideas and a lot of great work still in front of us that we need to just make sure we execute on and unlock the fundamental gains that come with it.

Speaker #4: And just a quick follow-up. You said not fully rolled out for Roll Call and Leader Hub. Any insights on how close we are, or where we are on penetration there?

Ron Josey: Just a quick follow-up. You said not fully rolled out for Roll Call and Leader Hub. Any insights on how close we are or where are we on penetration there, or plan to make it fully rolled out? Thanks.

Speaker #4: Or do you plan to make it fully rolled out? Thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah, we'll be rolling it out over the coming quarters.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. We'll be rolling it out over the coming quarters.

Speaker #4: Got it. Thank you.

Ron Josey: Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Nagel of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Nagel of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Hey, guys. Good afternoon.

Brian Nagel: Hey, guys. Good afternoon.

Speaker #1: Hey, how are you?

Ernie Garcia: Hey, how are you?

Speaker #5: So, there's a question I want to ask. Maybe it's kind of basic, but this is with regard to the guidance that was laid out for the balance of '26.

Brian Nagel: Just the question I want to ask, maybe it's kind of basic, but just with regard to the guidance that was laid out for the balance of 2026. Now are you providing at least a range of EBITDA guidance that's new? The question I'm going to ask is, why issue the guidance now? Then probably more importantly, as you think about that guidance, the parameters around that guidance, or maybe the thought process behind that guidance, are you signaling any type of change in the business from what we've seen here in H1, either from a sales or from a more importantly, a profit standpoint?

Speaker #5: So you now are providing at least a range of EPA, DOD guidance. That's new. So, the question I want to ask is: why issue the guidance now?

Speaker #5: And then, probably more importantly, as you think about that guidance and the parameters around that guidance—or maybe the thought process behind that guidance—are you signaling any type of change in the business from what we've seen here in the first half of the year, either from the sales, or, more importantly, a profit standpoint?

Speaker #1: Sure. Let me take that one. So, I think as a starting point, we were very excited about Q2 results. As Ernie pointed out, it was a record quarter across many dimensions.

Ernie Garcia: Sure. Let me take that one. I think as a starting point, we're very excited about Q2 results, as Ernie pointed out. A record quarter across many dimensions. I think as we think about the guidance, it's actually the same style of guidance that we've applied the last three years. Typically in H1, this is speaking back to, I think, 2024, 2025 time frame. We'll give some sequential color just to allow everybody to understand the seasonality and where we think the business is heading. Then, when we reach mid-year here, we actually give more specific guidance on adjusted EBITDA. The goal there is just to let people know some guardrails around what we're expecting in H2. That really is our philosophy. Again, basically the identical philosophy that we've applied the last couple of years.

Mark Jenkins: Sure. Let me take that one. I think as a starting point, we're very excited about Q2 results, as Ernie pointed out. A record quarter across many dimensions. I think as we think about the guidance, it's actually the same style of guidance that we've applied the last three years. Typically in H1, this is speaking back to, I think, 2024, 2025 time frame. We'll give some sequential color just to allow everybody to understand the seasonality and where we think the business is heading. Then, when we reach mid-year here, we actually give more specific guidance on adjusted EBITDA. The goal there is just to let people know some guardrails around what we're expecting in H2. That really is our philosophy. Again, basically the identical philosophy that we've applied the last couple of years.

Speaker #1: I think, as we think about the guidance, it's actually the same style of guidance that we've applied the last three years. So typically in the first half of the year—this is speaking back to, I think, 2024-2025 time frame.

Speaker #1: We'll give some sequential color just to allow everybody to understand the seasonality and where we think the business is heading. And then when we reach mid-year here, we actually give more specific guidance on adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #1: The goal there is just to let people know some guardrails around what we're expecting in the second half, and that really is our philosophy.

Speaker #1: And again, basically the identical philosophy that we've applied the last couple of years. I will say that overall, I think we're feeling very good about the trajectory of the business.

Ernie Garcia: I will say that overall, I think we're feeling very good about the trajectory of the business. I think, like I said, this is a very strong quarter, driving 38% retail unit growth. That is against an industry backdrop where the industry is down, call it on the order of 4 points year-over-year. I think the 38% growth is a notch more impressive in light of that industry backdrop. The other thing that I just get very excited about this quarter is the fact that in two large regions, representing approximately a third of the country, we grew 54%, and we're growing at 54% in those very large regions, despite the fact that at the company level, we're almost ticking over 30 billion annual revenue run rate.

Mark Jenkins: I will say that overall, I think we're feeling very good about the trajectory of the business. I think, like I said, this is a very strong quarter, driving 38% retail unit growth. That is against an industry backdrop where the industry is down, call it on the order of 4 points year-over-year. I think the 38% growth is a notch more impressive in light of that industry backdrop. The other thing that I just get very excited about this quarter is the fact that in two large regions, representing approximately a third of the country, we grew 54%, and we're growing at 54% in those very large regions, despite the fact that at the company level, we're almost ticking over 30 billion annual revenue run rate.

Speaker #1: I think, like I said, this is a very strong quarter, driving 38% retail unit growth. That is against an industry backdrop where the industry is down, call it, on the order of four points year over year.

Speaker #1: So, I think the 38% growth is even more impressive in light of that industry backdrop. The other thing that I just get very excited about this quarter is the fact that, in two large regions—representing approximately a third of the country—we grew 54%. We're growing at 54% in those very large regions.

Speaker #1: Despite the fact that, at the company level, we're almost ticking over a $30 billion annual revenue run rate. We've ticked over, in Q2, over a $3 billion adjusted EBITDA run rate, and more than a $2 billion run rate of net income.

Ernie Garcia: We've ticked over in Q2, over a $3 billion adjusted EBITDA run rate, more than $2 billion run rate of net income in the Q2, which is a good quarter. That just says we're at real scale here. The fact that we're at this scale and level of profitability, and we've got major regions that are growing at 54%, to me, just got me very fired up this quarter. I think why is that happening? It is building the machine. It's basically all the sources of positive feedback. We grew selection in that region. That did allow customers to choose cars that were closer to them. In addition, as we had more cars, it made sense to market more in those regions.

Mark Jenkins: We've ticked over in Q2, over a $3 billion adjusted EBITDA run rate, more than $2 billion run rate of net income in the Q2, which is a good quarter. That just says we're at real scale here. The fact that we're at this scale and level of profitability, and we've got major regions that are growing at 54%, to me, just got me very fired up this quarter. I think why is that happening? It is building the machine. It's basically all the sources of positive feedback. We grew selection in that region. That did allow customers to choose cars that were closer to them. In addition, as we had more cars, it made sense to market more in those regions.

Speaker #1: In the second quarter—which is a good quarter—but that just says we're at real scale here. And the fact that we're at this scale and level of profitability, and we've got major regions that are growing at 54%, to me, just got me very, very fired up this quarter.

Speaker #1: I think, why is that happening? It's building the machine. It's basically all the sources of positive feedback, so we grew selection in that region.

Speaker #1: That did allow customers to choose cars that were closer to them. In addition, as we had more cars, it made sense to market more in those regions.

Speaker #1: And as we marketed more, we drew more customers to the site who then converted on the cars that we had available. It just served as a really good example of how the whole model works and why it's so valuable for us to continue to march down our execution path—continue to build this machine that involves ramping production, building last-mile and multi-car logistics capacity to connect that production to consumers.

Ernie Garcia: As we marketed more, we drew more customers to the site who then converted on the cars that we had available. It just served as a really good example of how the whole model works and why it's so valuable for us to just continue to march down our execution path, continue to build this machine that involves ramping production, building last mile, and multi-car logistics capacity to connect that production to consumers, continuing to drive the customer experiences. I think one thing Ernie may have mentioned, but we had a great quarter on customer experience as well. We've seen that marching up as we've been growing at these levels.

Mark Jenkins: As we marketed more, we drew more customers to the site who then converted on the cars that we had available. It just served as a really good example of how the whole model works and why it's so valuable for us to just continue to march down our execution path, continue to build this machine that involves ramping production, building last mile, and multi-car logistics capacity to connect that production to consumers, continuing to drive the customer experiences. I think one thing Ernie may have mentioned, but we had a great quarter on customer experience as well. We've seen that marching up as we've been growing at these levels.

Speaker #1: Continuing to drive the customer experiences, and I think one thing Ernie may have mentioned—we had a great quarter on customer experience as well.

Speaker #1: We've seen that marching up as we've been growing at these levels. And so when we put all that together, it was just a really, really great quarter, and it was a quarter where I think we just have data points that give us very high conviction about the growth trajectory that we're on and the long-term sustainability of that growth trajectory.

Ernie Garcia: When we put all that together, it was a really, really great quarter, and it was a quarter where I think we just have data points that give us very high conviction about the growth trajectory that we're on and the long-term sustainability of that growth trajectory. Those would be some of my thoughts.

Mark Jenkins: When we put all that together, it was a really, really great quarter, and it was a quarter where I think we just have data points that give us very high conviction about the growth trajectory that we're on and the long-term sustainability of that growth trajectory. Those would be some of my thoughts.

Speaker #1: So, those would be some of my thoughts.

Speaker #5: I appreciate all the color. Thank you. Very helpful.

Brian Nagel: I appreciate all the color. Thank you. Very helpful.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Mark Jenkins: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Sharon Zackfia of William Blair. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Sharon Zackfia of William Blair. Your line is open.

Speaker #6: Hey, thanks for taking the question. I had a GPU question. Given the degradation we've seen over the past year, which I think has run between $200 to $150 a quarter, do you expect that to narrow as we get into the third quarter?

Sharon Zackfia: Hey, thanks for taking the question. I had a GPU question. Given the degradation we've seen over the past year, which I think has run between USD 200 to 450 a quarter, do you expect that to narrow as we get into the Q3? It seems like you might have still some Other GPU compression, but perhaps the retail side is now getting better. I just would love to get some color on how you're thinking the Q3 might shape up there.

Speaker #6: It seems like you might still have some other GPU compression, but perhaps the retail side is now getting better. I would just love to get some color on how you're thinking the third quarter might shape up there.

Speaker #1: Sure. I think at a high level, we're going to stick with our guidance on this. I think you can look at our results.

Ernie Garcia: Sure. I think at a high level, we're going to stick with our guidance on this. You can look at our results. There's a bit of seasonality in the different GPU line items that is reasonable to assume could be somewhat similar in the future as to what it was in the past. I think we're going to stick with our guidance and try to stay away from giving too much detailed line item by line item color.

Speaker #1: There's a bit of seasonality in the different GPU line items that is kind of reasonable to assume could be somewhat similar in the future as to what it was in the past.

Speaker #1: But I think we're going to stick with our guidance and try to stay away from giving too much detailed, line-item-by-line-item color.

Sharon Zackfia: Can I ask a follow-up?

Speaker #6: Can I ask a follow-up? Just given the West and the Southeast are lagging in production increases: as you think about the Odessa conversions—if I remember correctly, part of the real estate advantage there was that there were quite a few Odessas that were in very favorable locations in the West, particularly in California.

Sharon Zackfia: Can I ask a follow-up?

Ernie Garcia: Sure.

Sharon Zackfia: Just given the West and the Southeast are lagging in production increases, as you think about the ADESA conversions, if I remember correctly, part of the real estate advantage there was that there were quite a few ADESAs that were in very favorable locations in the West, particularly in California. What does the slate look like for conversions geographically over the next 18 months?

Speaker #6: What does the slate look like for conversions geographically over the next 18 months?

Speaker #1: Yeah, I think we've got opportunities all over the place, and I think the team has a very clear kind of build-out plan. And it works basically two ways.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. I think we've got opportunities all over the place, the team has a very clear build-out plan, it works basically two ways. One way is, where is the optimal place for us to put inventory on the map given where we have opportunity? One way is, what are the inspection centers or regions where we've got the management teams that are executing at the highest level? I think that we are constantly trying to balance those two things out. I think, for example, the two regions where we grew inventory the most, the Midwest and the Northeast. The Northeast is definitely pretty heavily impacted by the ADESA footprint that we were able to open up. The Midwest is also impacted, but that was a place we already had some strength. I think looking forward, we plan to balance those two considerations.

Speaker #1: One way is, where is the optimal place for us to put inventory on the map, given where we have opportunity? And then, one way is, what are the inspection centers or regions where we've got the management teams that are executing at the highest level?

Speaker #1: And I think that we are constantly trying to balance those two things out. So, I think, for example, the two regions where we grew inventory the most were the Midwest and the Northeast.

Speaker #1: The Northeast is definitely pretty heavily impacted by the Odessa footprint that we were able to open up. The Midwest is also impacted, but that was a place where we already had some strength.

Speaker #1: I think, looking forward, we plan to balance those two considerations, but all of it we plan to open up. And then, in addition, we also are just beginning work on a fresh build site as well.

Ernie Garcia: All of it, we plan to open up. In addition, we also are just beginning work on a fresh build site as well. The way the team determines where fresh builds will go is they look beyond 3 million, they say, where are the gaps in the map that would be optimal for us to fill in? Those are the sites that we look at there. I think we'll continue to run that. I'd say the first way is basically conceptually. It's just like, what is the best place on the map to grow inventory? The second way is practically, where are we executing the best? I think we'll try to continually balance those two considerations.

Speaker #1: So the way the team determines where fresh builds will go is, they look beyond three million and they say, "Where are the gaps in the map that would be optimal for us to fill in?"

Speaker #1: And then those are the sites that we look at there. So I think we'll continue to kind of run that. I would say the first way is basically conceptually.

Speaker #1: It's just like, what is the best place on the map to grow inventory? And the second way is, practically, where are we executing the best?

Speaker #1: And I think we'll try to continually balance those two considerations. One thing I want to add to Mark's previous comments—because when Mark gets fired up, I get fired up, and I kind of think everyone in the whole company gets fired up.

Ernie Garcia: One thing I want to add to Mark's previous comments, because when Mark gets fired up, I get fired up, and I think everyone in the whole company gets fired up. I'm going to go back to those charts for a second. Not only is the inventory growth driving sales, it really truly does drive the entire machine. In those same regions where we have more production, we have more sales, we have more cars that we buy from customers. We have marketing that is more efficient than the rest of the country. We have profitability that looks very similar to the rest of the country. There's not variability in profitability across those markets.

Speaker #1: So I'm going to go back to those—I'm going to go back to those charts for a second. Not only is kind of the inventory growth driving sales, it really, truly does drive the entire machine.

Speaker #1: In those same regions where we have more production and then we have more sales, we have more cars that we buy from customers. We have marketing that is more efficient than the rest of the country.

Speaker #1: We have profitability that looks very similar to the rest of the country. There's not variability in profitability across those markets. So anyway, I do want to keep pushing on that because I think we try to make this point that execution is the most important.

Ernie Garcia: Anyway, I do want to keep pushing on that because I think we try to make this point that execution is the most important. I think the evidence that the variability in growth rates around the country provided us is very helpful. I think the evidence has always been there across time, to see it laid out so clearly in the same moment in time and to see it across the entire business playing out that clearly, we think is really exciting. That makes it, again, an execution story and we've just got to make sure we execute.

Speaker #1: And I think the evidence that the variability in growth rates around the country provided us is very helpful. I think the evidence has always been there across time.

Speaker #1: But to see it laid out so clearly in the same moment in time, and to see it across the entire business playing out that clearly, we think is really exciting.

Speaker #1: And so that makes it, again, an execution story. And we just have to make sure we execute. Thank you again.

Sharon Zackfia: Okay. Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you again.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Boone of Citizens. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Boone of Citizens. Your line is open.

Speaker #7: Thanks so much for taking the question. Ernie, I wanted to go back to the last comment that you just made about production and more inventory coming online, and what that means.

Andrew Boone: Thanks so much for taking the question. Ernie, I wanted to go back to the last comment that you just made about production and more inventory coming online and what that means. You guys made a decision earlier this year to reinvest a point back into financing costs. I guess just from a higher level, why is that the right decision versus investing into labor or some other choke point that you guys have to drive more production? Why did you guys make that, how do we think about what you're saying today and where you guys allocate investments and costs going forward?

Speaker #7: You guys made a decision earlier this year to reinvest a point back into financing costs. So, I guess, just from a higher level, why is that the right decision versus investing into labor?

Speaker #7: Or some other choke point that you guys have to drive more production? Why did you guys make that? And then how do we think about what you're saying today and where you guys allocate investments and costs going forward?

Speaker #1: Yeah, perfect. Yeah, I think that's a great question. So let me answer the kind of labor versus anything else first. I think the reality is the financial returns on growing the machine are extreme.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah, perfect. I think that's a great question. Let me answer the labor versus anything else first. I think the reality is the financial returns on growing the machine are extreme. It's not a financial question. If we could write a check and have the machine be bigger, it would be very straightforward that we would want to do that at extreme speed. It's much more about the execution of building out the facilities, hiring people, training people, making sure people execute well, that people care. That is the thing that I think is much harder, and it's the thing that unlocks much larger returns and more enduring returns. As a general matter, we are working to go as fast as we reasonably can there. I think occasionally you will see bumps in the road.

Speaker #1: It's not a financial question. If we could write a check and have the machine be bigger, it would be very straightforward that we would want to do that at extreme speed.

Speaker #1: It's much more about the execution of building out the facilities, hiring people, training people, making sure people execute well, that people care. That is the thing that I think is much harder.

Speaker #1: And it's the thing that unlocks much larger returns and more enduring returns. As a general matter, we are working to go as fast as we reasonably can there.

Speaker #1: I think occasionally you will see bumps in the road. I think, kind of, Q4 into early Q1 in recon, we had some bumps in the road.

Ernie Garcia: I think Q4 into early Q1 in Recon, we had some bumps in the road. I think idealized execution would never have a bump, but I think real-world practical execution, I think the best you can hope for is that when you hit a bump, you recover quickly, and I think that team is recovering very quickly. Those execution type investments, we want to make as quickly as we possibly can, and it's just about making sure that we execute. I think that's the big question there. On financial investments, I think that's a very good question that is, I think, interesting and points to at least an apparent contradiction a bit in some of the things that we're saying. We've invested a bunch back in the customer offering, right? We've given fundamental gains back to customers.

Speaker #1: And I think kind of idealized execution would never have a bump. But I think real-world practical execution—the best you can hope for is that when you hit a bump, you recover quickly.

Speaker #1: And I think that team is recovering very quickly. So those execution-type investments, we want to make as quickly as we possibly can. And it's just about making sure that we execute.

Speaker #1: I think that's the big question there. On financial kind of investments, I think that's a very good question that is, I think, interesting and points to at least an apparent contradiction a bit in some of the things that we're saying.

Speaker #1: So, we've invested a bunch back in the customer offering, right? We've given fundamental gains back to customers. We've done that at the same time that we are constrained, right?

Ernie Garcia: We've done that at the same time that we are constrained, right? We're showing you these graphs. We're constrained. We're telling you that inventory grew less than we wish. Why would you give money back to customers in the face of those constraints? The answer is that we expect to relieve those constraints, and we're trying to make sure that we build the business in the best way that we can over the long term. I think anytime we do customer-facing optimization, you can do it two ways. You can view what are the starting economics that we've got and what are elasticities and what are the smart things that we should do to maximize the value to customers and to ourselves if we were not constrained at all, if we could press a button, get car, and the whole system just worked.

Speaker #1: We're showing you these graphs. We're constrained. We're telling you that inventory grew less than we wish. Why would you kind of give money back to customers in the face of those constraints?

Speaker #1: And the answer is that we expect to relieve those constraints, and we're trying to make sure that we build the business in the best way that we can over the long term.

Speaker #1: I think anytime we do customer-facing optimization, you can kind of do it two ways. You can view what are the starting economics that we've got, and what are the elasticities, and what are the smart things that we should do to maximize the value to customers and to ourselves.

Speaker #1: If we were not constrained at all, if we could press a button, get a car, and the whole system just kind of worked. And that's one way to kind of do the math.

Ernie Garcia: That's one way to do the math. Another way you can do the math is you can say, "Okay, we're constrained, and as a result, all fundamental gains should just flow straight through to us." I think in 2022 and 2023, when we were making sure that we put ourselves in a spot where we were completely financially independent, it was very clear what choice we should make. I think where we are today, where we're extraordinarily financially independent, where we're generating enormous cash flow that is accruing on our balance sheet quarter after quarter, and we're compounding and growing. I think we're in a position that we're excited to be in, where we feel like we can make longer-term choices there and do what's right for the customers.

Speaker #1: Another way you can do the math is, you can say, okay, we're constrained, and as a result, all fundamental gains should just flow straight through to us.

Speaker #1: I think in 2002 and 2023, when we were making sure that we put ourselves in a spot where we were completely financially independent, it was very clear what choice we should make.

Speaker #1: I think where we are today, where we're extraordinarily financially independent, where we're generating enormous cash flow that is accruing on our balance sheet quarter after quarter and we're compounding and growing, I think we're in a position that we're excited to be in. We feel like we can make longer-term choices there and do what's right for the customers.

Speaker #1: So it is likely the case that giving back to customers in the form of rates over the last year is not something that we've been fully paid back for in growth.

Ernie Garcia: It is likely the case that giving back to customers in the form of rates over the last year is not something that we've been fully paid back for in growth. The fact that our inventory is tight sort of makes it clear that we didn't get fully paid back for it in growth, because if inventory gets tight, your conversion rates go down. We probably didn't get fully paid for it, but it puts pressure on the machine. It'll cause us to build. We got to make sure that we execute, and we're in a great spot anyway. We're going to try to do what's right for us and our customers over the long run.

Speaker #1: The fact that our inventory is tight sort of makes it clear that we didn't get fully paid back for it in growth, because if inventory gets tight, your conversion rates go down.

Speaker #1: So we probably didn't get fully paid for it. But it puts pressure on the machine. It'll cause us to build, and then we've got to make sure that we execute, and we're in a great spot anyway.

Speaker #1: So we're going to try to do what's right for us and our customers over the long run.

Speaker #7: And then, just as my follow-up question, I wanted to ask about the cash generation. You guys are now at one times kind of leverage. What should we be thinking about, or considering, before you guys start to think about capital returns or some other form of return of cash this year?

Andrew Boone: Just as my follow-up question, I wanted to ask about the cash generation. You guys are now at 1 times leverage. What should we be thinking about or considering before you guys start to think about capital returns or some other form of return of cash to shareholders? Thank you.

Speaker #7: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Sure. Well, I think the most important thing that I think of when I think about what to do with our cash, it really comes down to investing in the business and generating returns and building the machine for the long term. Just to give an example of that...

Mark Jenkins: Well, I think the most important thing that I think of when I think about what to do with our cash, it really comes down to investing in the business and generating returns and building the machine for the long term. Just to give an example of that. Our trailing 12-month operating income was just over $2.2 billion. We generated that $2.2 billion of operating income on only about $7.5 billion of net operating assets. We're talking about on the order of 30% operating return on net operating assets, which is a pretty great business and a business that you really want to invest in. That's a little bit of a different angle on some of the things that we're excited about in the business, including our growth, including our customer experiences, and including our industry-leading margins.

Speaker #1: So our trailing 12-month operating income was just over 2.2 billion dollars. We generated that 2.2 billion dollars of operating income on only about seven and a half billion of net operating assets.

Speaker #1: And so we’re talking about on the order of a 30% operating return on net operating assets, which is a pretty great business, and a business that you really want to invest in.

Speaker #1: And so that's a little bit of a different angle on some of the things that we're excited about in the business, including our growth, our customer experiences, and our industry-leading margins.

Speaker #1: But the way that we're now earning returns on the capital that we invest in building the machine, I think, is also very exciting. And so, first and foremost, where our head goes on, "Hey, what do you want to do with the cash that you're generating?" It's invest in this machine that we're building that delivers great customer experiences and has shown the capability to grow very quickly in a sustained way over a long period of time.

Mark Jenkins: The way that we're now earning returns on the capital that we invest in building the machine, I think is also very exciting. First and foremost, where our head goes on, Hey, what do you want to do with the cash that you're generating? It's invest in this machine that we're building that delivers great customer experiences and has shown the capability to grow very quickly in a sustained way over a long period of time. Those are my major thoughts on that.

Speaker #1: So, those are my major thoughts on that.

Speaker #7: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Lick of Stevens. Your line is open.

Andrew Boone: Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Lick of Stephens. Your line is open.

Speaker #3: Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. I think I'm going to ask Sharon's question, maybe in a different way. But last quarter, you talked about kind of the $200 to $300 of GPU headwinds.

Jeff Lick: Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. I think I'm going to ask Sharon's question maybe in a different way. Last quarter, you talked about the $200 to $300 of GPU headwinds. As you look at how things have unfolded, it does appear that supply has maybe come back online maybe a little faster than demand. Do you see that that $200 to 300 maybe hasn't really played out and it's a little better environment then at this point?

Speaker #3: As you look at how things have unfolded, it does appear that supply has maybe come back online a little faster than demand. Do you see that that 200 to 300 maybe hasn't really played out and it's a little better environment than at this point?

Speaker #1: I mean, I would go back to what we said before. I think, at the highest level, we want to kind of stick with the overall guidance and not give too much detailed color on every line item.

Ernie Garcia: I would go back to what we said before. I think at the highest level, we want to stick with overall guidance and not give too much detailed color on every line item. I think there's some clear year-over-year things that we're dealing with. I think we spoke about some of those, whatever, gas prices, interest rates, tariff, et cetera. I think that the one that probably matters the most today to the machine, that is inside our control and isn't just one of those macro speed bumps that you absorb, is that our inventory in the quarter was less than we wish. When your inventory is less than you wish, that's going to show up as lower conversion, and lower conversion means either lower sales or lower economics, all else constant. Those two things are very directly tradable.

Speaker #1: I think there are some clear year-over-year things that we're dealing with. I think we spoke about some of those—whatever it is: gas prices, interest rates, tariffs, etc.

Speaker #1: And then I think that the one that probably matters the most today to the machine that is inside our control, and isn't just kind of one of those macro speed bumps that you absorb, is that our inventory in the quarter was less than we wish.

Speaker #1: And when your inventory is less than you wish, that's going to show up as lower conversion. And lower conversion means either lower sales or lower economics, all else constant.

Speaker #1: Those two things are very directly tradable. And so, if we build the machine to generate kind of the maximum demand and maximum conversion—and we get to decide how to express it—but I think we've been dealing with those headwinds a little bit over the last quarter or so.

Ernie Garcia: If we build the machine to generate the maximum demand and maximum conversion, then we get to decide how to express it. I think we've been dealing with those headwinds a little bit over the last quarter or so, and I think that we also had less inventory than we would like, and team's got a great plan. We're working quickly to resolve that.

Speaker #1: And I think that we also had less inventory than we would like. And the team's got a great plan. We're working quickly to resolve that.

Speaker #3: And then one follow-up. Inventory—your average list price, as we showed, and I guess it's not your number—was above $28,000. It looks like about a 4% increase year over year, and last year was a big increase as well.

Jeff Lick: One follow-up. Your inventory, your average list price as we showed, and I guess it's not your number, was above $28,000. Looks like about a 4% increase year-over-year, which last year was a big increase as well. I'm just curious, it would appear that you're on the margin getting a higher price point, and if you look at your APR, you're offering, maybe you're getting a, as you go up the demand curve, a slightly better customer or a customer that has options. I'm just curious, are you learning anything new as you try to cater to a customer maybe that has a bit more options?

Speaker #3: I'm just curious—it would appear that you're on the margin, getting a higher price point. And if you look at your APR, maybe as you go up the demand curve, you're getting a slightly better customer, or a customer that has options.

Speaker #3: I'm just curious, are you learning anything new as you try to cater to a customer who maybe has a bit more options?

Speaker #1: Yeah. So I think that's I think that's another very interesting and we would like to think exciting data point with interesting implications. So for sure, our ASP is up.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. I think that's another very interesting, and we would like to think exciting data point with interesting implications. For sure, our ASP is up. Going back to the inventory plan, Step 1 drive down reconditioning costs. Step 2, turn back to growth, but do it on cars that all else constant required less reconditioning so we could turn that on faster. That meant that we went toward more expensive cars and newer cars. Step 3, continue to grow and move back to a more traditional ASP. All that, by the way, is happening in the context of market prices that are going up a little bit anyway, which makes that situation a little bit fuzzier, but that's the plan. I would say we are heading into Step 3 today. As a result of leaning into more expensive inventory, there's been some interesting findings, though.

Speaker #1: So, going back to the inventory plan: Step one, drive down reconditioning costs. Step two, turn back to growth, but do it on cars that, all else constant, require less reconditioning so we could turn that on faster.

Speaker #1: That meant that we went toward more expensive cars and newer cars. Step three: continue to grow and move back to a more traditional ASP.

Speaker #1: And all that, by the way, is happening in the context of market prices that are going up a little bit anyway, which makes that situation a little bit fuzzier.

Speaker #1: But that's the plan. I would say we are heading into step three today. Now, as a result of leaning into more expensive inventory, there have been some interesting findings, though.

Speaker #1: So, for example, if we look at customers with over $100,000 of income, our year-over-year growth in that segment was a little more than 60% year over year.

Ernie Garcia: For example, if we look at customers with over $100,000 of income, our year-over-year growth in that segment was a little more than 60% year-over-year. That's showing you that when the cars are there for that customer segment, the growth is there. I think, again, all of the signs point to us that just say, if we can build the cars that our customers want, whether we think about that in aggregate or if we think about that in segments, if we can build the cars that they want and we can deliver great experience to them through our machine, the demand is there and the economics are there. This is very much an execution story where we just have to make sure that we keep building this machine.

Speaker #1: So that's showing you that when the cars are there for that customer segment, the growth is there. And so I think, again, all of the signs point to us that just say if we can build the cars that our customers want—whether we think about that in aggregate or if we think about that in segments—if we can build the cars that they want and we can deliver great experience to them through our machine, the demand is there and the economics are there.

Speaker #1: And this is very much an execution story, where we just have to make sure that we keep building this machine. And I think that the best and worst thing about Carvana is that we've got a big, complicated machine.

Ernie Garcia: I think that it's the best thing and the worst thing about Carvana is that we've got a big, complicated machine. It means that it's hard. It means that sometimes we're going to hit a bump. It means that there's going to be $100 that bounce around here or there. People are going to look for clear explanations. A lot of times, the explanation is going to be something a little more complicated. It's going to be a function of us building this really big, complicated machine where we're balancing logistics routes and we're balancing building cars in different parts of the country, and we're balancing last mile delivery and customer care. I think that's the reality of what we've got to do and build.

Speaker #1: It means that it's hard. It means that sometimes we're going to hit a bump. It means that there's going to be $100 that bounces around here or there.

Speaker #1: And people are going to look for clear explanations. A lot of times, the explanation is going to be something a little more complicated.

Speaker #1: It's going to be a function of us building this really big, complicated machine where we're balancing logistics routes, and we're balancing building cars in different parts of the country, and we're balancing last mile delivery and customer care.

Speaker #1: And so I think that's the reality of what we've got to do and build. I think that we're extremely proud of the consistency of the results that we've been able to demonstrate for years in a row here.

Ernie Garcia: I think that we're extremely proud of the consistency of the results that we've been able to demonstrate for years in a row here. We're going to continue to keep working hard to do that. In our minds, it's an execution question. We just got to make sure that we execute and build this big machine. The good news is, when we build that big machine, there's a big moat behind us that nobody else wants to run across. I think, like I said, there's good things and there's bad things. We think on net it's good, and we think we're up to the task.

Speaker #1: We're going to continue to keep working hard to do that. But in our minds, this is just—it's an execution question, and we've just got to make sure that we execute and build this big machine.

Speaker #1: And then the good news is, when we build that big machine, there's a big moat behind us that nobody else wants to run across.

Speaker #1: And so I think, like I said, there are good things and there are bad things. We think, on balance, that it's good, and we think we're up to the task.

Speaker #3: Great, thanks for taking my question. It's good to see you so fired up.

Jeff Lick: Great. Thank you for taking my question. It's good to see you so fired up.

Speaker #1: Thank you back.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you, back.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Tom Babcock of Barclays. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Thomas Babcock of Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker #4: Hey, good evening, and thanks for taking my questions. I guess, just first of all, you talked about investing more in advertising over the balance of this year.

Thomas Babcock: Hey. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess just first of all, you talked about investing more in advertising over the balance of this year. Are there other areas you're also planning to invest in from an SG&A standpoint?

John Babcock: Hey. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess just first of all, you talked about investing more in advertising over the balance of this year. Are there other areas you're also planning to invest in from an SG&A standpoint?

Speaker #4: Are there other areas you’re also planning to invest in from an SG&A standpoint?

Speaker #1: I think we pointed to that one because that's our expectation in the very near term. And again, I would point back to—that goes back basically, at the simplest level, to this inventory.

Ernie Garcia: I think we pointed to that one because that's our expectation in the very near term. Again, I would point back to that. That goes back basically, at the simplest level, to this inventory point. Inventory's a little lighter relative to where we wish it were today. All else constant, that's impacting conversion a bit. We want to make sure we keep building the machine at a very consistent pace. We expect to get inventory back in line relatively quickly. A good way to fill in that gap is marketing dollars. I think that's basically the near-term plan there.

Speaker #1: Inventory is a little lighter, relative to where we wish it were today. All else constant, that's impacting conversion a bit. We want to make sure we keep building the machine at a very consistent pace.

Speaker #1: We expect to get inventory back in line relatively quickly. A good way to fill in that gap is marketing dollars, so I think that's basically the near-term plan there.

Speaker #4: Gotcha. That's helpful. And then you were talking just recently about how the growth within comes above $100,000. Just kind of curious, are there income groups that are growing more slowly at this juncture?

Thomas Babcock: Got you. That's helpful. Then, you were talking just recently about the growth with incomes above 100,000. Just curious, are there income groups that are growing more slowly at this juncture? Which ones are more challenged really, I guess, is what I'm getting at.

John Babcock: Got you. That's helpful. Then, you were talking just recently about the growth with incomes above 100,000. Just curious, are there income groups that are growing more slowly at this juncture? Which ones are more challenged really, I guess, is what I'm getting at.

Speaker #4: Which ones are more challenged, really? I guess that's what I'm getting at.

Speaker #1: Yeah. I mean, in order to have 60 on a big population, you have to have less than your average on the remaining population. And so, I would say the groups that are more challenged are basically the cars that we're not producing.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. In order to have 60 on a big population, you have to have less than your average on the remaining population. I would say the groups that are more challenged are basically the cars that we're not producing, which I think is great. I think what's happening is, as we leaned into more expensive cars. As we handed rate back to customers, it was more focused in the prime area. I think that led to more demand there, and that demand caused our machine to build more of those cars and crowded out some of the less expensive cars, and crowded out some of the sales that we would've seen in those other areas. I think our view is we are seeing less express demand in the lower income bands in terms of the growth in sales, but likely not lower actual demand.

Speaker #1: Which I think is great. I think what's happening is, as we leaned into more expensive cars and as we handed rate back to customers, it was more focused in the prime area.

Speaker #1: I think that led to more demand there. And that demand caused our machine to build more of those cars, and crowded out some of the less expensive cars, and crowded out some of the sales that we would have seen in those other areas.

Speaker #1: So I think our view is, we are seeing less expressed demand in the kind of lower income bands in terms of the growth in sales, but likely not lower actual demand. If the cars were there, we would expect the sales to be there as well.

Ernie Garcia: If the cars were there, we would expect the sales to be there as well.

Speaker #4: Okay. And then I was wondering if you might be able to give some update in terms of how things are going in July so far. And by this I mean just generally from a GPU standpoint, because obviously I imagine there's some reconditioning cost improvement as you're starting to roll out those systems across your other sites.

Thomas Babcock: Okay. I was wondering if you might be able to give some update in terms of how things are going in July so far. By this I mean just generally from a GPU standpoint. Because obviously, I imagine there's some reconditioning cost improvement as you're starting to roll out those systems across your other sites. On top of that, I don't know how we should maybe think about fuel costs. Maybe fuel costs are flat, maybe higher. I'm not 100% sure there. Are there things you could maybe help us bridge June to July with a little bit?

John Babcock: Okay. I was wondering if you might be able to give some update in terms of how things are going in July so far. By this I mean just generally from a GPU standpoint. Because obviously, I imagine there's some reconditioning cost improvement as you're starting to roll out those systems across your other sites. On top of that, I don't know how we should maybe think about fuel costs. Maybe fuel costs are flat, maybe higher. I'm not 100% sure there. Are there things you could maybe help us bridge June to July with a little bit?

Speaker #4: On top of that, I don't know how we should maybe think about fuel costs. Maybe fuel costs are flat, maybe higher—I'm not 100% sure there.

Speaker #4: Are there things you could maybe help us bridge kind of June to July with a little bit?

Speaker #3: So on that one, I would just point to our outlook. Our outlook for the rest of the year gives a good sense of what we're thinking.

Ernie Garcia: On that one, I would just point to our outlook. Our outlook for the rest of the year gives a good sense of what we're thinking, and I wouldn't go into more detail than that on a specific month.

Speaker #3: And I wouldn't go into more detail than that on a specific month.

Speaker #4: Okay. Fair enough. Thank you.

Thomas Babcock: Okay. Fair enough. Thank you.

John Babcock: Okay. Fair enough. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from Lane of Marvin Fong of BTIG. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Marvin Fong of BTIG. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Great. Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. Most have been answered here, but I did want to go back to just the mixing into slightly or into newer cars.

Marvin Fong: Great. Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. Most have been answered here. I did want to go back to just the mixing into slightly or into newer cars. Have you done that in response to reducing the pressure on your reconditioning? What I'm getting at is this a structural change we should expect, or might you rebalance a little bit once you get the recon under control, as well as being able to source that lower price point inventory that you just mentioned? Should we think about the newer car having any different GPU profile from an absolute dollar standpoint compared to maybe a 4 to 6-year-old bucket or something like that?

Speaker #5: Have you done that in response to sort of reducing the pressure on your reconditioning? And what I'm getting at is, is this a structural change we should expect, or might you kind of rebalance a little bit once you get the recon under control, as well as being able to source that lower price point inventory that you just mentioned?

Speaker #5: And then, should we think about the newer car having any different GPU profile from an absolute dollar standpoint compared to maybe a four- to six-year-old bucket, or anything like that?

Speaker #1: Yeah. So I would say it's definitely not structural. I think there have been two drivers of that shift. I think one is we have passed back rates to customers, and that has been disproportionately to prime customers.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. I would say definitely not structural. I think there's been two drivers of that shift. I think one is we have passed back rates to customers, and that has been disproportionately to prime customers, which on average demand a more expensive car. All else constant, that just shifts the way all the algorithms work toward purchasing more expensive cars. I think as part of step 2 of the inventory plan, we also did lean into newer cars that would be able to be reconditioned more quickly to get us back to growth. I think the sum of those two things are what's causing that shift in the supply of cars that we're putting in front of customers. We very much do not view that as structural. I think over time we expect all of our metrics to move toward the average car buyer.

Speaker #1: Which, on average, kind of demands a more expensive car. So, all else constant, that just kind of shifts the way all the algorithms work toward purchasing more expensive cars.

Speaker #1: And then I think as part of step two of the inventory plan, we also did lean into newer cars that would be able to be reconditioned more quickly to get us back to growth.

Speaker #1: So I think that some of those two things are what's causing that shift in the supply of cars that we're putting in front of customers.

Speaker #1: We very much do not view that as structural. I think, over time, we expect all of our metrics to move toward the average car buyer.

Speaker #1: We plan to play a very big role in this industry, and to do so, we want to make sure that we're offering the broadest selection we possibly can to customers.

Ernie Garcia: We plan to play a very big role in this industry. To do so, we want to make sure that we're offering the broadest selection we possibly can to customers. I think in moments like that, we're working to quickly get costs back in line, and get operations tight. We will make adjustments, I think that we're in the exciting position of having sufficient demand across every part of the customer spectrum that even as we make those choices, it doesn't really show up in the aggregate business results, because the cars just get absorbed by the different groups.

Speaker #1: But I think in moments like that, we're working to quickly get costs back in line and get operations tight. We will make adjustments. And I think that we're in the exciting position of having sufficient demand across every part of the customer spectrum, that even as we make those choices, it doesn't really show up in the aggregate business results because the cars just get absorbed by the different groups.

Speaker #5: Gotcha. And if I could do one quick follow-up. I mean, the FCC dynamic that you mentioned, is that still an ongoing benefit to you, or do you feel like all dealers have pretty much adjusted their advertised pricing now?

Marvin Fong: Got you. If I could do one quick follow-up. The FTC dynamic that you mentioned, is that still ongoing benefit to you, or do you feel like all dealers have pretty much adjusted their advertised pricing now?

Ernie Garcia: We believe most dealers have adjusted their pricing. I think there are two components to that. One was the requirement of the inclusion of dealer fees, and one was the requirement of the inclusion of different products that were required to be bought in order to get the car. I think that it looks to us like most of those have probably been passed through. Some of the latter may still be lagging in. We certainly expect over time for that to be a positive for us. I think in the immediate moment, our algorithms needed to adapt to that new world because dollars meant different things, and they meant different things for different dealers at different points in time. So that took a second for everything to adapt and for us to fully figure out.

Speaker #1: We believe most dealers have adjusted their pricing. I think there are two components to that. One was the requirement of the inclusion of dealer fees.

Speaker #1: One was the requirement for the inclusion of different products that were required to be bought in order to get the car. It looks to us like most of those have probably been passed through.

Speaker #1: Some of the latter may still be kind of lagging in. We certainly expect, over time, for that to be a positive for us.

Speaker #1: I think, in the immediate moment, our algorithms needed to adapt to that new world because dollars kind of meant different things. And they meant different things for different dealers at different points in time.

Speaker #1: And so that took a second for everything to adapt and for us to fully figure out. But yeah, certainly for most dealers, let's say that their price on their website just went up $500 or $600 and ours didn't move.

Ernie Garcia: Certainly for most dealers, let's say that their prices on their websites just went up five or $600 and ours didn't move, that should be a tailwind in the grand scheme of things, once all that settles out.

Speaker #1: That should be a tailwind in the grand scheme of things once all that settles out. Thank you.

Marvin Fong: Awesome. Thanks so much, Ernest.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from Lane of Joseph Spak of UBS. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Spak of UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker #3: Thanks. Good afternoon. Look, I know seasonality is difficult when you've been growing like you have been growing. But over the past four years, the back half profitability has always been stronger.

Joseph Spak: Thanks. Good afternoon. Look, I know seasonality is difficult when you've been growing like you've been growing. Over the past four years, the H2 profitability has always been stronger. I hear you're talking about inventory availability and some investment, I guess it's still just a little bit unclear to me. With the H2 profitability close to the H1, is this more comp driven or more cost driven, or it's pretty balanced between the two?

Speaker #3: And I hear you’re talking about inventory availability and some investment. But I guess it’s still just a little bit unclear to me—with the second half profitability sort of close to the first half, is this more comp-driven or more cost-driven?

Speaker #3: Or is it pretty balanced between the two?

Ernie Garcia: I think we're going to stick with our guidance I think, yeah, we try to be consistent there and thoughtful of what we put out there. We think the remainder of the year is a function of how well we execute. We think we've got a great plan, and I think we have an opportunity to have an awesome year. As always, we're going to have to execute, and that, I think, is the biggest question for how the results will come out.

Speaker #1: I apologize. I mean, I think we're going to stick with our guidance. I think, yeah, we try to be consistent there and thoughtful about what we put out there.

Speaker #1: And then I think we think the remainder of the year is a function of how well we execute. We think we've got a great plan.

Speaker #1: And I think we have an opportunity to have an awesome year. But as always, we're going to have to execute. And that, I think, is the biggest question for how the results will come out.

Speaker #3: Okay.

Joseph Spak: Okay. Just to follow up on a question before, I don't know if I understood the answer. With the introduction of this EBITDA guidance, is that something you do plan on continuing to do more regularly? Or at certain points in the year when you have better visibility? Or what's just the go-forward communication strategy there?

Speaker #4: And then just to follow up on a question before, I don't know if I understood the answer. So, with the introduction of this EBITDA guidance, is that something you do plan on continuing to provide more regularly, or sort of at certain points in the year when you have better visibility?

Speaker #4: Or what's just the go-forward communication strategy there?

Speaker #3: To just put it in historical context, this type of outlook is exactly what we provided in Q3 of 2025 and Q3 of 2024.

Mark Jenkins: To just put it in historical context, this type of outlook is exactly what we provided in Q3 of 2025 and Q3 of 2024. We are just following the same playbook that we followed last year.

Speaker #3: So we are just following the same playbook that we followed for these two years.

Speaker #4: Okay. And then last one—just Ernie, I know you've been pretty reluctant to talk a lot about the new dealership strategy, so I won't press there.

Joseph Spak: Okay. Last one, just Ernie, I know you've been pretty reluctant to talk a lot about the new dealership strategy, and so I won't press there. Maybe you could just sort of comment if it's at all paying any early dividends on that inventory availability challenge that you mentioned.

Speaker #4: But just in terms, maybe you could just sort of comment if it's at all paying any early dividends on that inventory availability challenge that you mentioned.

Speaker #1: Yes, sir. I think it remains very early, and I think we still are going to wait until we have, I think, a lot more data to share—a lot more with you all.

Ernie Garcia: Yes, sir. I think it remains very early, and I think we still are going to wait till we have, I think, a lot more data to share a lot more with you all. I will say the early signs are very clear. The customer experiences are great. I think that that's exciting. I think we track our NPS closely in every possible dimension, whether it's different customer attributes, different transaction attributes, the way the customer went through the flow, or different car attributes. It's pretty clear that new car NPS is very high and in a discontinuous sort of way. I think that's great. The most important thing whenever you're testing anything is make sure you're delivering an experience that customers love, because that's the fuel that ultimately powers everything. I think that's exciting.

Speaker #1: But I will say the early signs are very clear. The customer experiences are great, and I think that's exciting. I think we track our NPS closely.

Speaker #1: In every possible dimension—whether it's different customer attributes, different transaction attributes, the way the customer went through the flow, or different car attributes—it's pretty clear that new car NPS is very high.

Speaker #1: And in a discontinuous sort of way. So I think that's great. The most important thing whenever you're testing anything is to make sure you're delivering an experience that customers love, because that's the fuel that ultimately powers everything.

Speaker #1: So I think that's exciting. And then I think it's still very early days, but obviously, the operational implications of new cars are very different.

Ernie Garcia: I think it's still very early days, obviously, the operational implications of new cars are very different than used cars. In used cars, we need to kind of remanufacture those cars. In new cars, you are outsourcing manufacturing to somebody else. It's a simpler operational problem for us.

Speaker #1: Than used cars. In used cars, we need to kind of remanufacture those cars. In new cars, you are outsourcing manufacturing to somebody else, so it's a simpler operational problem for us.

Speaker #4: Right. But I guess the question—sorry to be more direct—is having those new dealerships helping with your used inventory at all yet?

Joseph Spak: Right. I guess the question, sorry to be more direct, is having those new dealerships helping with your used inventory at all, Ernie?

Speaker #1: Oh, I think it's early for any of those types of comments. Yeah.

Ernie Garcia: Oh, I think it's early for any of those

Joseph Spak: Okay

Ernie Garcia: types of comments. Yeah.

Speaker #4: Okay. Thanks.

Joseph Spak: Okay, thanks.

Speaker #2: Your next question comes from Lane of Michael McGovern of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Montani of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker #4: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Given the big gap in production growth across regions, how are the challenges different between investing in a higher production growth region versus a low-growth region, where you might have unit growth that's outpacing production? That might create its own set of challenges or limit your unit sales growth there if you have selection issues or anything else?

Michael Montani: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Given the big gap in production growth across regions, how are the challenges different between investing in a higher production growth region versus a low growth region where you might have unit growth that's outpacing production, which might create its own set of challenges or limit your unit sales growth there if you have selection issues or anything else?

Michael McGovern: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Given the big gap in production growth across regions, how are the challenges different between investing in a higher production growth region versus a low growth region where you might have unit growth that's outpacing production, which might create its own set of challenges or limit your unit sales growth there if you have selection issues or anything else?

Speaker #1: Yeah. So, I think as a general matter, we want to grow as quickly as we can everywhere. And then I think the sort of good news is it's sort of a self-metering problem.

Ernie Garcia: Yeah. I think, as a general matter, we want to grow as quickly as we can everywhere. I think the sort of good news is it's sort of a self-metering problem. If we have less production in a region, and we have demand that kind of outstrips our ability to produce cars, then our local inventory shrinks. That, all else constant, would reduce demand in that region. The opposite is also true. I think those problems do resolve to some degree on their own, and it's more about just how quickly can we open production in these different regions and how well can we execute.

Speaker #1: If we have less production in a region and we have demand that kind of outstrips our ability to produce cars, then our local inventory shrinks.

Speaker #1: And so that, all else constant, would reduce demand in that region. And then the opposite is also true. So I think those problems do resolve to some degree on their own.

Speaker #1: And it's more about just how quickly we can open production in these different regions, and how well we can execute.

Speaker #4: Got it. And then I have to follow up really quickly on the new car discussion. NPS is very high. Are there any key differences within the NPS for these new car customers versus used?

Michael Montani: Got it. Then I have to follow up really quickly on the new car discussion. NPS is very high. Are there any key differences within the NPS for these new car customers versus used? Can you discuss any sort of initial learnings on what the GPU expectation would look like for new versus used?

Michael McGovern: Got it. Then I have to follow up really quickly on the new car discussion. NPS is very high. Are there any key differences within the NPS for these new car customers versus used? Can you discuss any sort of initial learnings on what the GPU expectation would look like for new versus used?

Speaker #4: And can you discuss any sort of initial learnings on what the GPU expectation would look like for new versus used?

Speaker #1: I think the NPS is clearly high. I think there’s nothing too concrete to call out that’s different. The experience is very similar, so I don’t think there’s anything too concrete to call out.

Ernie Garcia: I think the NPS is clearly high. I think there's nothing too concrete to call out that's different. The experience is very similar. I don't think there's anything too concrete to call out. Then I think it's early for a ton of detail. New cars are profitable for us today, but beyond that, there's not a ton of detail that we're ready to provide.

Speaker #1: And then I think it's early for a ton of detail. New cars are profitable for us today, but beyond that, there's not a ton of detail that we're ready to provide.

Speaker #4: All right. Thank you.

Michael Montani: All right. Thank you.

Michael McGovern: All right. Thank you.

Speaker #2: And your next question comes from Chris Pierce of Needham. Your line is open.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Chris Pierce of Needham. Your line is open.

Speaker #5: Oh, hey. Good afternoon. Just one on the inventory you're going to grow here. How do you, I guess, with the machine, how do you make sure that you don't have the same problems you had last year, at the end of last year, in the IRCs?

Chris Pierce: Oh, hey. Good afternoon. Just one on the inventory you're going to grow here. I guess with the machine, how do you make sure that you don't have the same problems you had last year, at the end of last year in the IRC? What safeguards can you put in place to make sure that you're growing inventory that gets up on the website at a normal pace?

Speaker #5: What safeguards can you put in place to make sure that you're growing inventory that gets up on the website at a normal pace?

Speaker #1: Well, first of all, thank you for adopting the word "machine." That's the most important thing. And then I think these are operational problems.

Ernie Garcia: Well, first of all, thank you for adopting the word machine. That's the most important thing. I think these are operational problems, and I think they exist in every part of the group. I think if you're in many of our conversations with these different groups, there's always a site somewhere that we're focused on, whether it's in recon or logistics or customer care or anything. There's always a number of groups inside the company that we are focused on making sure we make progress, where we're not doing as well as we would like to do, or not moving as quickly as we would like to move. I think most of the time those things come and go, and there's never public awareness of it.

Speaker #1: And I think they exist in every part of the group. I think if you were in many of our conversations with these different groups, there's always a site somewhere that we're focused on, whether it's in recon or logistics or customer care or anything.

Speaker #1: There are always a number of groups inside the company that we are focused on, making sure we make progress where we're not doing as well as we would like to, or not moving as quickly as we would like to move.

Speaker #1: I think most of the time those things come and go, and there’s never public awareness of it. I think in the case of reconditioning costs in Q4, that rose to a level where it was apparent.

Ernie Garcia: I think in the case of reconditioning costs in Q4, I think that rose to the level where it was apparent, so we discussed it. I think that's the reality of execution in a complicated machine. I think there will always be areas where we're working on different problems. I think the more problems that we solve and put behind us, the more resilient we get and the better we get at resolving whatever the next problem is, whether that's hiring or training or building or permitting or whatever the problem ends up being. There are constantly little issues that pop up. Our team's done a very good job of taking those problems on as they show up and getting them behind us and having it not show up at all in the results.

Speaker #1: And so we discussed it. But I think that's the reality of execution in a complicated machine. I think there will always be areas where we're working on different problems.

Speaker #1: And I think the more problems that we solve and put behind us, the more resilient we get and the better we get at resolving whatever the next problem is, whether that's hiring or training or building or permitting or whatever the problem ends up being. But there are constantly little issues that pop up.

Speaker #1: And our team's done a very good job of taking those problems on as they show up and getting them behind us, and having them not show up at all in the results.

Speaker #1: And I think you see that in the consistency of the results over a very long period of time. So we hope to continue to execute at that same level.

Ernie Garcia: I think you see that in the consistency of the results over a very long period of time. We hope to continue to execute at that same level. It's always work.

Speaker #1: But it's always work.

Speaker #5: Okay. And then just one more on the machine. You kind of said—I don't want to—I'm going to try to paraphrase—hey, we lowered rates 100 bps.

Chris Pierce: Okay, then just one more on the machine. You said, I'm going to try to paraphrase, "Hey, we lowered rates 100 basis points. Other GPU should be down $400 to $500, but it was only down $200. We had efficiency gains." What are some of those efficiency gains that you're still able to drive to that magnitude of $200, $300 Other GPU? Is it more demand for these loans from other parties, or is it something internal you're doing? Or if I got that math totally wrong, please correct me as well.

Speaker #5: Our GPU should be down $400 to $500, but it was only down $200. We had efficiency gains. What are some of those efficiency gains that you're still able to drive to that magnitude of $200, $300 in other GPU?

Speaker #5: Is there more demand for these loans from other parties, or is it something internal you're doing? Or if I got that math totally wrong, please correct me as well.

Speaker #1: No, yeah, I think you've got it right. I think it's all the things that we've talked about—fundamental gains in the past. So it can take the form of lower rates.

Ernie Garcia: No, yeah. I think you've got it right. I think it's all the things that we've talked about, fundamental gains in the past. It can take the form of lower rates. It can take the form of higher finance attach. It can take the form of longer duration because prepayment rates are different. It can take the form of better credit models that help to monetize those things. It can take the form of improvements in our underlying credit pricing that allow us to better monetize variation in loan value across customers. I think there are many things that go into that. But yes, if you do the math simply, we should be down several hundred dollars more than we are, and we're not, and that gap is fundamental gains.

Speaker #1: It can take the form of higher finance attach. It can take the form of longer duration, because prepayment rates are different. It can take the form of better credit models that help to monetize those things.

Speaker #1: It can take the form of improvements in our underlying credit pricing that allow us to better monetize variation in loan value across customers.

Speaker #1: So I think there are many things that go into that. But yes, I mean, if you do the math simply, we should be down several hundred dollars more than we are.

Speaker #1: And we're not. And that gap is fundamental gains. I think that in finance, those are some areas where we're discussing those right now.

Ernie Garcia: I think that in finance, those are some areas where we're discussing those right now. Those exist throughout the business. The opportunities also exist throughout the business, and it's our job to make sure we go pick those up as quickly as we can.

Speaker #1: But those exist throughout the business. And the opportunities also exist throughout the business. And it's our job to make sure we go pick those up as quickly as we can.

Chris Pierce: Okay. Thank you, and good luck.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you. Good luck.

Speaker #1: Thank you.

Ernie Garcia: Thank you.

Speaker #2: That's all the time we have for questions today. I would now like to take this time to turn the call back over to CEO Ernie Garcia for closing remarks.

Operator: That's all the time we have for questions for today. I would now like to take this time to turn the call back over to CEO, Ernie Garcia, for closing remarks.

Speaker #1: Awesome. Well, thanks everyone for joining the call. Really appreciate it. Team Carvana, another awesome quarter. I'm glad we got Mark fired up there for a second.

Ernie Garcia: Awesome. Well, thanks everyone for joining the call. Really appreciate it. Team Carvana, another awesome quarter. I'm glad we got Mark fired up there for a second. Sometimes the crowd cheers, and sometimes they don't. We're going to bend them to our will and make them cheer eventually. Let's just keep doing us. We're going to be all right. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it.

Speaker #1: Sometimes the crowd cheers, and sometimes they don't. But we're going to bend them to our will and make them cheer eventually. So let's just keep doing us.

Speaker #1: We're going to be all right. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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