Q2 2026 Lazard Ltd Earnings Call

July 23, 2026

Speaker #1: Please stand by. Your program is about to begin. Good morning, and welcome to Lazard's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. This call is being recorded.

Operator: Good morning, and welcome to Lazard's Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the call, please press the star key followed by zero on your telephone keypad. At this time, I will turn the call over to William Burton, Lazard's Head Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Operator: Good morning, and welcome to Lazard's Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the call, please press the star key followed by zero on your telephone keypad. At this time, I will turn the call over to William Murdock, Lazard's Head Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the call, please press the star key followed by zero on your telephone keypad.

Speaker #1: At this time, I will turn the call over to William Murdoch, Lazard's Head of Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Chelsea. Good morning, and welcome to Lazard's earnings call for the second quarter and first half of 2026. I'm William Murdoch, Head of Strategy and Investor Relations.

William M. Burton: Thanks, Chelsea. Good morning and welcome to Lazard's earnings call for the Q2 and H1 2026. I'm William Burton, Head of Strategy and Investor Relations. In addition to today's audio comments, we have posted our earnings release on our website. A replay of this call will also be available on our website later today. Before we begin, let me remind you that we may make forward-looking statements about our business and performance. There are important factors that could cause our actual results, level of activity, performance, achievements, or other events to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, those factors discussed in the company's SEC filings, which you can access on our website. Lazard assumes no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of these forward-looking statements and assumes no duty to update them.

William Murdock: Thanks, Chelsea. Good morning and welcome to Lazard's earnings call for the Q2 and H1 2026. I'm William Murdock, Head of Strategy and Investor Relations. In addition to today's audio comments, we have posted our earnings release on our website. A replay of this call will also be available on our website later today. Before we begin, let me remind you that we may make forward-looking statements about our business and performance. There are important factors that could cause our actual results, level of activity, performance, achievements, or other events to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, those factors discussed in the company's SEC filings, which you can access on our website. Lazard assumes no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of these forward-looking statements and assumes no duty to update them.

Speaker #2: In addition to today's audio comments, we have posted our earnings release on our website. A replay of this call will also be available on our website later today.

Speaker #2: Before we begin, let me remind you that we may make forward-looking statements about our business and performance. There are important factors that could cause our actual results, level of activity, performance, achievements, or other events to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, those factors discussed in the company's SEC filings, which you can access on our website.

Speaker #2: Lazard assumes no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of these forward-looking statements and assumes no duty to update them. Please also note that, unless we state otherwise, all financial measures we discuss today are non-GAAP adjusted financial measures.

William M. Burton: Please also note that, unless we state otherwise, all financial measures we discuss today are non-GAAP adjusted financial measures. We believe these non-GAAP financial measures are meaningful when evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP measure is provided in our earnings release and our investor presentation. Hosting our call today are Peter Orszag, Lazard's Chief Executive Officer and Chairman, and Tracy Farr, Lazard's Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, Chris Hogbin, Chief Executive Officer of Asset Management, will join as we open for questions. I'll now turn the call over to Peter.

William Murdock: Please also note that, unless we state otherwise, all financial measures we discuss today are non-GAAP adjusted financial measures. We believe these non-GAAP financial measures are meaningful when evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP measure is provided in our earnings release and our investor presentation. Hosting our call today are Peter Orszag, Lazard's Chief Executive Officer and Chairman, and Tracy Farr, Lazard's Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, Chris Hogbin, Chief Executive Officer of Asset Management, will join as we open for questions. I'll now turn the call over to Peter.

Speaker #2: We believe these non-GAAP financial measures are meaningful when evaluating the company's performance. Reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP measure is provided in our earnings release and our investor presentation.

Speaker #2: Hosting our call today are Peter Orszag, Lazard's Chief Executive Officer and Chairman, and Tracy Farr, Lazard's Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, Chris Hogman, Chief Executive Officer of Asset Management, will join as we open for questions.

Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to Peter.

Speaker #3: Thank you, William, and thank you to everyone for joining our call today. Firmwide, adjusted net revenue was $786 million for the second quarter and $1.5 billion for the first half of the year.

Peter Orszag: Thank you, William. Thank you to everyone for joining our call today. Firm-wide adjusted net revenue was $786 million for Q2 and $1.5 billion for H1 of the year. Before Tracy takes you through the numbers, it has now been almost three years since we issued our Lazard 2030 plan. It seems appropriate to discuss where we are in our efforts to transform our firm for long-term profitable growth. When we laid out our vision for Lazard 2030, we said we would measure success through relevance, revenue, and returns. We're seeing tangible progress across all three. In H1 of this year, Financial Advisory achieved its strongest announced league table position since 2014. Asset Management delivered its best H1 net inflows in nearly 20 years and reached its highest reported AUM level ever.

Speaker #3: Before Tracy takes you through the numbers, it has now been almost three years since we issued our Lazard 2030 plan, and so it seems appropriate to discuss where we are in our efforts to transform our firm for long-term profitable growth.

Speaker #3: When we laid out our vision for Lazard 2030, we said we would measure success through relevance, revenue, and returns. We're seeing tangible progress across all three.

Speaker #3: In the first half of this year, Financial Advisory achieved its strongest announced league table position since 2014. Asset Management delivered its best first-half net inflows in nearly 20 years, and reached its highest reported AUM level ever.

Speaker #3: That progress is driven by the role we play for clients. Increasingly, boards, CEOs, and asset owners are turning to Lazard for their most consequential decisions and investments.

Peter Orszag: That progress is driven by the role we play for clients. Increasingly, board CEOs and asset owners are turning to Lazard for their most consequential decisions and investments. We believe this expanding client activity is due to our ability to deliver what we call contextual alpha by combining business analysis with broader insight into geopolitics and the regulatory environment. Clients also value that we can connect capital distribution and technology across a broader platform. With our acquisition of Campbell Lutyens, we will establish a third business that will be the leader in global private capital advisory, providing us with a full array of capabilities in private markets to complement our strength in public markets. At the same time, we are rapidly adopting AI and other technologies to serve clients more effectively and enhance productivity as part of our commitment to being the leading AI-enabled independent financial firm on Wall Street.

Peter Orszag: That progress is driven by the role we play for clients. Increasingly, board CEOs and asset owners are turning to Lazard for their most consequential decisions and investments.

Speaker #3: We believe this expanding client activity is due to our ability to deliver what we call contextual alpha by combining business analysis with broader insight into geopolitics and the regulatory environment.

Peter Orszag: We believe this expanding client activity is due to our ability to deliver what we call contextual alpha by combining business analysis with broader insight into geopolitics and the regulatory environment. Clients also value that we can connect capital distribution and technology across a broader platform. With our acquisition of Campbell Lutyens, we will establish a third business that will be the leader in global private capital advisory, providing us with a full array of capabilities in private markets to complement our strength in public markets. At the same time, we are rapidly adopting AI and other technologies to serve clients more effectively and enhance productivity as part of our commitment to being the leading AI-enabled independent financial firm on Wall Street.

Speaker #3: Clients also value that we can connect capital distribution and technology across a broader platform. With our acquisition of Campbell Lutchins, we will establish a third business that will be the leader in global private capital advisory, providing us with the full array of capabilities in private markets to complement our strength in public markets.

Speaker #3: At the same time, we are rapidly adopting AI and other technologies to serve clients more effectively and enhance productivity, as part of our commitment to being the leading AI-enabled independent financial firm on Wall Street.

Speaker #3: In short, our work to advance Lazard's legacy is well underway. Tracy will now discuss our financial results, along with the near-term effects of the investments we've made.

Peter Orszag: In short, our work to advance Lazard's legacy is well underway. Tracy will now discuss our financial results along with the near-term effects of the investments we've made. I'm going to come back to provide more details on the progress we have made that is reinforcing our confidence in increased growth, productivity, and profitability over time.

Speaker #3: Then I'm going to come back to provide more details on the progress we have made that is reinforcing our confidence in increased growth, productivity, and profitability over time.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Peter. Financial advisory adjusted net revenue was $445 million for the second quarter. An $801 million for the first half of 2026. Financial advisory revenue during the quarter was driven primarily by M&A completions in North America.

Tracy Farr: Thank you, Peter. Financial Advisory adjusted net revenue was $445 million for the Q2 and $801 million for the H1 of 2026. Financial Advisory revenue during the quarter was driven primarily by M&A completions in North America. Across Europe and the Middle East, our business continued to perform well despite ongoing geopolitical uncertainty, with our advisory team in London performing particularly well during the quarter. Globally, Restructuring and Liability Management delivered strong results, achieving its best H1 performance in almost a decade. Our Private Capital Advisory business also saw increased client demand, particularly in primary fundraising, highlighting the opportunity ahead with our launch of Lazard CL later this year. Demonstrating increased client engagement and activity across the business, completed transactions include Synopsys on its $1.1 billion sale to Fresco, and Network Connex's sale to Olympus Partners.

Speaker #2: Across Europe and the Middle East, our business continued to perform well despite ongoing geopolitical uncertainty, with our advisory team in London performing particularly well during the quarter.

Speaker #2: Globally, restructuring and liability management delivered strong results, achieving its best first-half performance in almost a decade. In our private capital advisory business, we also saw increased client demand, particularly in primary fundraising.

Speaker #2: Highlighting the opportunity ahead with our launch of Lazard CL later this year. Demonstrating increased client engagement and activity across the business, completed transactions include Synopta on its $1.1 billion sale to Refresco, and network connections sale to Olympus Partners.

Speaker #2: Recently announced transactions include Altis Francis' proposed sale of SFR for up to $21 billion, and Nexterra's landmark deal with its combination with Dominion Energy, creating an enterprise value of approximately $420 billion.

Tracy Farr: Recently announced transactions include Altice France's proposed sale of SFR for up to €21 billion, and NextEra's landmark deal with its combination with Dominion Energy, creating an enterprise value of approximately $420 billion. Liability Management and Restructuring assignments include Republic National Distributing Company, Cerrell's Rally Minerals, and Trinseo. In Private Capital Advisory, recent assignments include advising Corsair Capital and G Square on continuation funds and advising Regal Healthcare on the raise of Fund IV. We're encouraged by the growth opportunities across Financial Advisory overall, with continued Forward indicators and client engagement supporting a stronger H2 of the year. Peter will speak more about this in a moment. Turning to asset management. Adjusted net revenue was $331 million for the Q2 and $640 million for the H1 of the year.

Speaker #2: Liability management and restructuring assignments include Republic National Distributing Company, Serils Valley Minerals, Intrinsio, and in private capital advisory, recent assignments include advising Corsair Capital and G-Square on continuation funds and advising Regal Healthcare on the raise of fund four.

Speaker #2: We're encouraged by the growth opportunities across Financial Advisory overall, with continued strength in our forward indicators and client engagement supporting a stronger second half of the year.

Speaker #2: Peter will speak more about this in a moment. Turning to asset management, adjusted net revenue was $331 million for the second quarter and $640 million for the first half of the year.

Speaker #2: Our revenues included management fees of $310 million for the second quarter, $23% higher than the second quarter of 2025, and up 5% on a sequential basis.

Tracy Farr: Our revenues included management fees of $310 million for the Q2, 23% higher than the Q2 of 2025, and up 5% on a sequential basis. During the quarter, we had market appreciation of $27 billion, foreign exchange depreciation of $1 billion, net outflows of $1.6 billion, and a $1 billion increase attributable to acquiring a controlling interest in Elaia Partners. We delivered net inflows of $7.4 billion in the H1 of the year. As of 30 June, we reported AUM of $285 billion, 15% higher than June 2025 and up 10% compared to the prior quarter. Average AUM for the quarter was $279 billion, 17% higher than the Q2 of 2025. Client engagement remains strong and new mandates in the quarter reflect ongoing demand for our quant platform, emerging markets, Japanese equity, international equities, fixed income, and private markets.

Speaker #2: During the quarter, we had market appreciation of $27 billion, foreign exchange depreciation of $1 billion, outflows of $1.6 billion, and a $1 billion increase attributable to acquiring a controlling interest in Lyell Partners.

Speaker #2: We delivered net inflows of $7.4 billion in the first half of the year. As of June 30, we reported AUM of $285 billion, 15% higher than June 2025 and up 10% compared to the prior quarter.

Speaker #2: Average AUM for the quarter was $279 billion, 17% higher than the second quarter of 2025. Client engagement remains strong, and new mandates in the quarter reflect ongoing demand for our Quant platform, emerging markets, Japanese equity, international equities, fixed income, and private markets.

Speaker #2: Our quantitative equity business, the Lazard Advantage platform, has more than doubled to $50 billion in assets under management in the past year. The Lazard Advantage platform provides fundamental insights with strong performance that is resonating with clients.

Tracy Farr: Our quantitative equity business, the Lazard Advantage Platform, has more than doubled to $50 billion in assets under management in the past year. The Lazard Advantage Platform provides fundamental insights with a systematic approach, and it has delivered strong performance that is resonating with clients. We continue to develop our asset management platform, during the Q2, we filed initial registration statements for three additional active ETFs, including our first fixed income ETFs. This February, in less than a year after launching, our US ETF platform surpassed $1 billion in AUM, which had already doubled to $2 billion in July. Our asset management leadership is also advancing our broader Lazard 2030 objectives.

Speaker #2: We continue to develop our asset management platform, and during the second quarter, we filed initial registration statements for three additional active ETFs, ETFs. This February, in less than a year after launching, our US ETF platform surpassed $1 billion in AUM.

Speaker #2: Which had already doubled to $2 billion in July. Our asset management leadership is also advancing our broader Lazard 2030 objectives. We’re embedding AI across research, portfolio construction, and client servicing, and we have recently hired senior roles, including a Head of Global Product to help us focus on our investment product set, and a Head of Corporate Development to help us pursue targeted growth opportunities going forward.

Tracy Farr: We're embedding AI across research, portfolio construction, and client servicing. We have recently hired senior roles, including a head of global product to help us focus on our investment product set and a head of corporate development to help us pursue targeted growth opportunities going forward. As we look ahead, firm-wide total revenue in H2 of the year is usually stronger than H1, driven by Financial Advisory. This year, our current projections suggest that pattern will be somewhat more pronounced. Turning to firm-wide expenses, our adjusted non-compensation expense was $172 million for Q2, resulting in a non-compensation ratio of 21.8%. Our adjusted compensation expense was $550 million for Q2, resulting in a compensation ratio of 69.9%.

Speaker #2: As we look ahead, firm-wide total revenue in the second half of the year is usually stronger than the first half, driven by Financial Advisory.

Speaker #2: This year, our current projections suggest that pattern will be somewhat more pronounced. Turning to firm-wide expenses, our adjusted non-compensation expense was $172 million for the second quarter, resulting in a non-compensation ratio of 21.8%.

Speaker #2: Our adjusted compensation expense was $550 million for the second quarter, resulting in a compensation ratio of 69.9%. Given several factors that could reduce our compensation ratio this year that are still evolving, we continue to accrue compensation in the second quarter at the same level we did in the first.

Tracy Farr: Given several factors that could reduce our compensation ratio this year that are still evolving, we continued to accrue compensation in Q2 at the same level we did in Q1. Factors that could reduce compensation on a constant deferral rate include the closing of the Campbell Lutyens transaction, which we anticipate will reduce our adjusted compensation ratio over time, the degree to which we moderate hiring below last year's level, and whether our advisory pipeline continues to build at the current pace our leading indicators suggest. We'll have more to say about our full-year compensation ratio when we report Q3 results. Turning to taxes, our adjusted effective tax rate for Q2 was 69.7%. This was a primary driver of the earnings reduction this quarter, anomalous and associated with a catch-up adjustment with the vesting of equity awards.

Speaker #2: Factors that could reduce compensation on a constant deferral rate include the closing of the Camp Elections transaction, which we anticipate will reduce our adjusted compensation ratio over time; the degree to which we moderate hiring below last year’s level; and whether our advisory pipeline continues to build at the current pace, or leading indicators suggest.

Speaker #2: We'll have more to say about our full-year compensation ratio when we report third-quarter results. Turning to taxes, our adjusted effective tax rate for the second quarter was 69.7%.

Speaker #2: This was a primary driver of the earnings reduction this quarter. Anomalous and associated with a catch-up adjustment with the vesting of equity awards. It is not indicative of the full-year effective tax rate, which we still expect to be in the high 20s percent range on a gap basis.

Tracy Farr: It is not indicative of the full-year effective tax rate, which we still expect to be in the high 20s% range on a GAAP basis. Regarding capital allocation, in Q2 of 2026, we returned $103 million to shareholders, including a quarterly dividend of $49 million and share repurchases of $50 million. After pausing last quarter due to the Campbell Lutyens transaction, we are pleased to restart our share buybacks with a current repurchase authorization of just over $250 million. We expect to continue buybacks throughout the year, balancing investment and growth with further offsetting share issuances from compensation over time. In addition, yesterday, we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.50 per share. Let me turn the call back to Peter.

Speaker #2: Regarding capital allocation in the second quarter of 2026, we returned $103 million to shareholders. Including a quarterly dividend of $49 million, and share repurchases of $50 million.

Speaker #2: After pausing last quarter due to the Camp Elections transaction, we were pleased to restart our share buybacks, with a current $250 million. We expect to continue buybacks throughout the year, balancing investment and growth with further offsetting share issuances from compensation over time.

Speaker #2: In addition, yesterday we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.50 per share. Now, let me turn the call back to Peter.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Tracy. Let me now provide details on our progress, which reinforce our confidence that the Lazard 2030 strategy will increasingly translate into revenue returns as our growth investments pay off.

Peter Orszag: Thank you, Tracy. Let me now provide details on our progress, which reinforce our confidence that the Lazard 2030 strategy will increasingly translate into revenue returns as our growth investments pay off. In Asset Management, over the past few years, we have sharpened our strategy, enhanced our investment platform and distribution efforts, and transformed our leadership. The result is a renewed focus on the products and strategies where we believe active management delivers advantage and where we can capture client demand. With this progress, Asset Management revenue is up 23% from one year ago. Even with our strong net inflows in H1 of the year, ongoing client demand has supported our won but not yet funded pipeline, which continues to replenish and is higher than it was at year-end 2025.

Speaker #3: In Asset Management, over the past few years, we have sharpened our strategy, enhanced our investment platform and distribution efforts, and transformed our leadership.

Speaker #3: The result is a renewed focus on the products and strategies where we believe active management delivers advantage, and where we can capture client demand.

Speaker #3: With this progress, asset management revenue is up 23% from one year ago. Even with our strong net inflows in the first half of the year, ongoing client demand has supported our one but not-yet-funded pipeline, which continues to replenish and is higher than it was at year-end 2025.

Speaker #3: Looking ahead, we remain on track to deliver positive net flows for the year, and we remain confident in the sustained momentum of the business in the second half of the year and beyond.

Peter Orszag: Looking ahead, we remain on track to deliver positive net flows for the year. We remain confident in the sustained momentum of the business in the H2 of the year and beyond. In Financial Advisory, the repositioning of our business by upgrading our managing directors has been guided by the core conviction that raising the bar on talent and productivity would unlock shareholder value over time. Transformation at this scale is unusual. Since we are now emerging from the period during which we made the strategic choice to turn over 40% of our advisory managing directors, we want to provide more context on our progress. While we do not necessarily intend to provide this level of detail on an ongoing basis, we are doing so now to help investors understand where we are in this transition and what we are seeing as we move through it.

Speaker #3: In financial advisory, the repositioning of our business by upgrading our managing directors has been guided by the core conviction that raising the bar on talent and productivity will unlock shareholder value over time.

Speaker #3: Transformation at this scale is unusual, and since we are now emerging from the period during which we made the strategic choice to turn over 40% of our advisory managing directors, we want to provide more context on our progress.

Speaker #3: While we do not necessarily intend to provide this level of detail on an ongoing basis, we are doing so now to help investors understand where we are in this transition, and what we are seeing as we move through it.

Speaker #3: To that end, a number of our forward indicators are increasingly encouraging. Confidence clearances are up almost 40% year over year on a dollar-weighted basis and up over 100% for deals above $5 billion.

Peter Orszag: To that end, a number of our forward indicators are increasingly encouraging. Conflict clearances are up almost 40% year-over-year on a dollar-weighted basis, and up over 100% for deals above $5 billion. Our weighted backlog for this year is building more rapidly than last year. Our weighted pipeline for 2027, while at an early stage, as is typical for July, is already more than twice the level it was for 2026 at this same time last year. Achieving our best position since 2014 in announced league tables is also a net positive for future revenue. We also see evidence of our strategy in client activity and market position. We have invested in talent in our healthcare, power, energy, and infrastructure groups over the past few years, as some examples, areas where we already have strength and see room to grow.

Speaker #3: Our weighted backlog for this year is building more rapidly than last year. Our weighted pipeline for 2027, while at an early stage as is typical for July, is already more than twice the level it was for 2026 at this same time last year.

Speaker #3: And achieving our best position since 2014 in announced league tables is also a net positive for future revenue. We also see evidence of our strategy in client activity and market positions.

Speaker #3: We have invested in talent in our healthcare, power, energy, and infrastructure groups over the past few years, as some examples—areas where we already have strength and see room to grow.

Speaker #3: This quarter, we were involved in eight announced biopharma transactions over $1 billion, while our role as lead financial advisor to NextEra on the largest energy transaction in history demonstrates the expanding global leadership of our PEI group.

Peter Orszag: This quarter, we were involved in eight announced biopharma transactions over $1 billion, while our role as lead financial advisor to NextEra on the largest energy transaction in history demonstrates the expanding global leadership of our PEI group. Taken together, these indicators reinforce our belief that the repositioning of our advisory business is proceeding as we planned. They also increase our confidence in our managing director by managing director analysis, which shows we are now exiting the transitional period in which the hard decisions required to upgrade our talent created a headwind, and moving toward a phase in which the investments we have already made shift to a meaningful tailwind for future growth.

Speaker #3: Taken together, these indicators reinforce our belief that the repositioning of our advisory business is proceeding as we planned. They also increase our confidence in our managing director by managing director analysis, which shows we are now exiting the transitional period in which the hard decisions required to upgrade our talent created a headwind, and moving toward a phase in which the investments we have already made shift to a meaningful tailwind for future growth.

Speaker #3: While progress in this business is not linear, and we may experience a slight dip in productivity this year given the large number of new MDs we added last year, our MD by MD analysis also shows we remain fully on track to meet our next target of $10 million per MD by 2028.

Peter Orszag: While progress in this business is not linear, we may experience a slight dip in productivity this year, given the large number of new MDs we added last year, our MD by MD analysis also shows we remain fully on track to meet our next target of $10 million per MD by 2028. Moving forward, the ramping of our new hires and promotes is increasingly less burdened by the elevated level of separations we made the decision to undertake. This allows their expanding productivity to translate more powerfully into net revenue growth, delivering the longer-term structural improvement aligned with our Lazard 2030 vision and goals. Two other points are worth emphasizing. First, we are very pleased with the quality of talent we have at the firm, including those we have been able to attract to Lazard and to promote from within.

Speaker #3: Moving forward, the ramping of our new hires and promotes is increasingly less burdened by the elevated level of separations we made the decision to undertake.

Speaker #3: This allows their expanding productivity to translate more powerfully into net revenue growth, delivering longer-term structural improvement aligned with our Lazard 2030 vision and goals.

Speaker #3: Two other points are worth emphasizing. First, we are very pleased with the quality of talent we have at the firm, including those we have been able to attract to Lazard and to promote from within.

Speaker #3: Even after only two years on our platform, the average annual productivity of our newly hired MDs has already exceeded the productivity of the MDs we parted with during our strategic repositioning.

Peter Orszag: Even after only 2 years on our platform, the average annual productivity of our newly hired MDs has already exceeded the productivity of the MDs we parted with during our strategic repositioning. Our tenured MDs set the standard for global excellence, and it is encouraging to see the commercial and collegial integration taking place across the firm. Second, we are committed to bringing the compensation ratio down over time, not only through the operating leverage associated with higher productivity, but also through efficiency initiatives that more directly reduce expenses, including through our expanded use of technology. Stepping back, there are broader, longer-term dynamics supporting our Financial Advisory outlook. Companies continue to pursue scale and rapid technological change, and see a constructive regulatory environment.

Speaker #3: Our tenured MDs set the standard for global excellence and is encouraging to see the commercial and collegial integration taking place across the firm. Second, we are committed to bringing the compensation ratio down over time, not only through the operating leverage associated with higher productivity, but also through efficiency initiatives that more directly reduce expenses including through our expanded use of technology.

Speaker #3: Stepping back, there are broader longer-term dynamics supporting our financial advisory outlook. Companies continue to pursue scale and rapid technological change, and see a constructive regulatory environment.

Speaker #3: Boards and C-suites increasingly treat geopolitical uncertainty as a feature of the landscape rather than a reason to wait, and an ongoing focus on corporate portfolio composition continues to drive both divestiture activity and M&A.

Peter Orszag: Boards and C-suites increasingly treat geopolitical uncertainty as a feature of the landscape rather than a reason to wait, and an ongoing focus on corporate portfolio composition continues to drive both divestiture activity and M&A. While M&A activity has been robust, it has been concentrated in strategic transactions, and private equity M&A has remained subdued. Our forward indicators would be even more encouraging beyond their current levels if private equity M&A were to become more active. Together, market conditions, client activity, and strong evidence internally on our progress further validate the trajectory that we see. Integration planning is well underway for the Campbell Lutyens acquisition. As our teams have spent more time together, we have even greater conviction in the strategic logic and cultural fit behind the combination. We also are even more impressed by the quality of talent Campbell Lutyens brings to complement our world-class PCA bankers.

Speaker #3: While M&A activity has been robust, it has been concentrated in strategic transactions, and private equity M&A has remained subdued. Our forward indicators would be even more encouraging beyond their current levels if private equity M&A were to become more active.

Speaker #3: Together, market conditions, client activity, and strong evidence internally on our progress further validate the trajectory that we see. Integration planning is well underway for the Campbell Lutchins acquisition, as our teams have spent more time together we have even greater conviction in the strategic logic and cultural fit behind the combination.

Speaker #3: We are also even more impressed by the quality of talent Campbell Lutchins brings to complement our world-class PCA bankers. In addition to the revenue opportunity with Lazard CL alone, we expect the broader connectivity between our M&A, restructuring, and fundraising businesses to compound over time.

Peter Orszag: In addition to the revenue opportunity with Lazard CL alone, we expect the broader connectivity between our M&A, restructuring, and fundraising businesses to compound over time. Without including revenue or expense synergies, as we said in an announcement, we expect this acquisition to be accretive to earnings in 2027 and thereafter, with clear potential for further upside. In sum, we are confident in our path toward our Lazard 2030 objectives. I would like to thank our colleagues for their hard work and commitment to our clients. Before I close, I would also like to welcome Kathy Elsesser to our board of directors, a retired Goldman Sachs partner with more than 3 decades of investment banking experience. Kathy has a broad perspective across both public and private markets. We are excited to have her join us as we build on our momentum in Financial Advisory, Asset Management, and firm-wide.

Speaker #3: Without including revenue or expense synergies as we said in announcement, we expect this acquisition to be accretive to earnings in 2027 and thereafter, with clear potential for further upside.

Speaker #3: In sum, we are confident in our path toward our Lazard 2030 objectives, and I would like to thank our colleagues for their hard work and commitment to our clients.

Speaker #3: For a close, I'd also like to welcome Kathy Elsessor to our Board of Directors. A retired Goldman Sachs partner with more than three decades of investment banking experience, Kathy has a broad perspective across both public and private markets. We're excited to have her join us as we build on our momentum in Financial Advisory, Asset Management, and firm-wide.

Peter Orszag: Before I close, I would also like to welcome Kathy Elsesser to our board of directors, a retired Goldman Sachs partner with more than 3 decades of investment banking experience. Kathy has a broad perspective across both public and private markets. We are excited to have her join us as we build on our momentum in Financial Advisory, Asset Management, and firm-wide.

Speaker #3: Now we'll open the call to

Peter Orszag: Now we will open the call to questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you. At this time, if you have a question, please press star one (*) on your telephone keypad. If your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two (*2).

Operator: Thank you. At this time, if you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. Others can hear your questions clearly, we do ask that you please pick up your handset for best sound quality. We'll take our first question from Gabe Angelini with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #4: Hi, good morning. Like you said, there's been a divergence year to date in strategic versus sponsor M&A activity. So maybe if you can give us a mark-to-market on why we're seeing that divergence and what, in your conversations with sponsors and strategics, is causing that. And then also, if you can talk about the outlook for sponsor activity in the second half of this year and the first half of next year.

Gabe Angelini: Hi. Good morning. Like you said, there's been a divergence year-to-date in strategic versus sponsor M&A activity. Maybe you can give us a mark to market on why we're seeing that divergence, and what in your conversations with sponsors and strategics is causing that. Also if you can talk about the outlook for sponsor activity in H2 of this year and H1 next year.

Speaker #3: Sure. I think the core challenge it really involves valuations. The rise in interest rates that we saw from the exceptionally low period of rates that had existed for a while, caused the net present value of cash flows to decline and that disconnect in valuations, I think, has led to some hesitation to sell portfolio companies that are held by private equity firms.

Peter Orszag: Sure. I think the core challenge, it really involves valuations. The rise in interest rates that we saw from the exceptionally low period of rates that had existed for a while caused the net present value of cash flows to decline. That disconnect in valuations, I think, has led to some hesitation to sell portfolio companies that are held by private equity firms, especially if they're marked at a different level or if the return is not what the sponsors had hoped to achieve. I think that's what's causing the delay. Now, there is a counter pressure, which is that LPs would like to see some cash. There's building pressure both as this period of higher interest rates persists, and we can talk about the inflationary outlook and the rate environment, I think that's likely to continue for some period of time.

Speaker #3: Especially if they're marked at a different level, or the return on the return is not what the sponsors had hoped to achieve. And so I think that's what's causing the delay.

Speaker #3: Now, there is a counterpressure, which is that LPs would like to see some cash, and so there's building pressure both as this period of higher interest rates persists and we can talk about the inflationary outlook and the rate environment, but I think that's likely to continue for some period of time, and so there's a bit of, well, what are we waiting for?

Peter Orszag: There's a bit of, Well, what are we waiting for? that's starting to emerge, and also this demand for LPs for distributions. On the latter point, I would note that one of the accelerants in continuation funds and secondary activity is exactly that. We are well-positioned not only with our existing PCA business, but with the Campbell Lutyens transaction and the new Lazard CL leg of Lazard to meet client demand for secondaries, which we see as quite robust. It's the interplay between this valuation effect and the demand for cash that I think is at the heart of the question of when private equity M&A will really pick up again.

Speaker #3: That's starting to emerge, and also this demand for LPs for distributions. On the latter point, I would note that one of the accelerants in continuation funds and secondary activity is exactly that, and so we are well positioned not only with our existing PCA business but with the Campbell Lutchins transaction and the new Lazard CL leg of Lazard to meet client demand for secondaries, which we see as quite robust.

Speaker #3: But it's the interplay between this valuation effect and the demand for cash that I think is at the heart of the question of when private equity M&A will really pick up again.

Speaker #3: Beyond that, what I would say is if and to your question about the second half and into 2027, if you listen to the both private conversations and public conversations, the heads of the large alternative asset managers, which are the biggest players in private equity, they are suggesting that this is about to shift.

Peter Orszag: Beyond that, what I would say is, to your question about the H2 and into 2027, if you listen in both private conversations and public conversations, the heads of the large alternative asset managers, which are the biggest players in private equity, they are suggesting that this is about to shift. We will await those words converting into action. That's how I would characterize the state of play right now.

Speaker #3: So we will await those words converting into action, but that's kind of how I would characterize the state of play right now.

Speaker #4: Great. Thank you. That's helpful. And maybe just one for Chris. Obviously, you started in the asset management business in December, and I think there have been a number of changes that you've made since joining the business.

Gabe Angelini: Great. Thank you. That's helpful. Maybe just one for Chris. Obviously, you started in the asset management business in December, and I think there have been a number of changes that you've made since joining the business. Maybe if you can walk us through some of the most important changes and maybe some KPIs that we can track to watch the progress that you're making there. Thank you.

Speaker #4: So maybe you could walk us through some of the most important changes, and maybe some KPIs that we can track to monitor the progress you're making there.

Speaker #4: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Sure. Thank you for that question. To strengthen the business, the first step was to appoint a Chief Investment Officer for the first time in the business, because really the core of what we do is deliver investment outcomes for clients.

Chris Hogbin: Sure. Thank you for that question. Look, a number of changes that we've made to really try and strengthen the business. The first was to appoint a Chief Investment Officer for the first time in the business because really the core of what we do is deliver investment outcomes for clients. Having somebody whose full-time job is to focus on bringing the strength and the breadth of our investment platform to bear for clients is important. He is, as you might imagine, working very closely with the portfolio managers to re-underwrite and help them improve their processes and make sure that we have the right level of data resources, technology, et cetera, in all of the teams. There, I think that you really need to look at how our investment performance tracks.

Speaker #5: So, having somebody whose full-time job is to focus on bringing the strength and breadth of our investment platform to bear for clients is important.

Speaker #5: And he is, as you might imagine, working very closely with the portfolio managers to re-underwrite and help them improve their processes, and make sure that we have the right level of data, resources, technology, etc., in all of the teams.

Speaker #5: So there, I think that you really need to look at how our investment performance tracks at the moment. We stand with 68% of AUM that we manage on behalf of clients outperforming their stated benchmarks over five years.

Chris Hogbin: At the moment, we stand with 68% of AUM that we manage on behalf of clients outperforming their stated benchmarks over 5 years. The second big change I made was to appoint a new Chief Operating Officer, Rosalie Berman, who is to help us really run the business more effectively and efficiently to really make sure that we're focusing our resources on the areas that can drive the business forward. She's also overseen a lot of our efforts to adopt and drive AI across the business. She made an important hire in a head of AI for the asset management business. That's been a big part of what we've been focused on. As we roll into next week, we have two more executives joining our team. One is head of product, and one is head of corporate development for the asset management business.

Speaker #5: The second big change I made was to appoint a new chief operating officer. Rosalie Berman, who is to help us really run the business more effectively and efficiently to really make sure that we're focusing our resources on the areas that can drive the business forward.

Speaker #5: She's also overseen a lot of our efforts to adopt and drive AI across the business, and she made an important hire, a head of AI for the asset management business.

Speaker #5: So that's been a big part of what we've been focused on. And as we roll into next week, we have two more executives joining our team.

Speaker #5: One is Head of Product, and one is Head of Corporate Development for the asset management business—both very long-tenured industry leaders—who will help us think through what the product roadmap should look like going forward.

Chris Hogbin: Both very long-tenured industry leaders who will help us think through what should the product roadmap look like going forward. Where do we want to prioritize, where do we want to de-emphasize? We'll come back with more detail on that. Obviously, one of the things that people should track is what's happening to our flows, because ultimately that will reflect how clients think we are performing for them. The good news there is for H1, we saw $7.5 billion of net inflows. As Peter said in his remarks, are the strongest level of net inflows we've seen for almost 2 decades in H1 with a good breadth of different investment services, regions, and clients contributing to that.

Speaker #5: Where do we want to prioritize? Where do we want to de-emphasize? We’ll come back with more detail on that. Obviously, one of the things that people should track is what's happening to our flows, because ultimately that will reflect how clients think we are performing for them.

Speaker #5: The good news there is for the first half of the year, we saw seven and a half billion dollars of net inflows. But as Peter said in his remarks, so the strongest level of net inflows we've seen for almost two decades.

Speaker #5: In the first half, with a good breadth of different investment services, regions and clients contributing to that.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question will come from Brennan Hawken with BMO. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Brennan Hawken with BMO. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. You've spoken to a stronger second half and advisory. Peter, I believe you referenced that you expect it to be somewhat more pronounced than typical.

Brennan Hawken: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. You've spoken to a stronger H2 in advisory. Peter, I believe you referenced that you expect it to be somewhat more pronounced than typical. It would be great if you could add some further color to that. What kind of magnitude would be reasonable when you look at your pipelines and think about what is expected to close, and which businesses do you expect to drive the greater than normal seasonality in H2?

Speaker #6: It would be great if you could add some further color to that. What kind of magnitude would be reasonable when you look at your pipelines and think about what is expected to close?

Speaker #6: And which businesses do you expect to drive the greater-than-normal seasonality in the back half? Thanks.

Brennan Hawken: Thanks.

Speaker #3: Chris, I think that was Tracey, so I'm going to let him characterize things. But on the different lines of business, I'll give a little color.

Peter Orszag: First, I think that was Tracy, so I'm going to let him characterize things. On the different lines of business, I'll give a little color. Maybe a couple of different pieces that are relevant. Our M&A, non-M&A balance is staying roughly 60/40, so that has not really evolved. We are seeing a bit more shift towards North America in the overall mix of our revenue. That's not to be too surprising because just coming back to this J-curve and the ramping of our managing directors, you look at the number of tenured managing directors, so that's MDs on our platform for more than 3 years. We're going to be more than tripling that number between the base of 2023 to 2025 and 2028. Those people are already on the platform. They're just ramping. That's a large number of increasingly productive MDs that are showing up in revenue.

Speaker #3: Maybe a couple of different pieces that are relevant are M&A and non-M&A; the balance is staying roughly 60/40, so that has not really evolved. We are seeing a bit more shift towards North America in the overall mix of our revenue.

Speaker #3: That's not too surprising, because just coming back to this J curve and the ramping of our managing directors, you look at the number of tenured managing directors—that's MDs on our platform for more than three years.

Speaker #3: We're going to be more than tripling that number between the base of 2023 to 2025 and 2028. Those people are already on the platform.

Speaker #3: They're just ramping. And so that's a large number of increasingly productive MDs that are showing up in revenue. Those are disproportionately people that we've added in healthcare, industrials, technology, and then also in some other areas.

Peter Orszag: Those are disproportionately people that we've added in healthcare, industrials, technology, and also in some other areas. We made a defense tech hire that will be coming online, we're excited about, and more broadly in private capital. Those are some of the areas where we're seeing increased activity. You're also seeing that show up in the league tables. I mentioned the statistic about the increased activity that we're seeing in healthcare with those people that we're bringing on ramping nicely. Tracy, I'll let you characterize your comments.

Speaker #3: We made a defense tech hire that will be coming online, which we're excited about. And more broadly, in private capital, those are some of the areas where we're seeing increased activity.

Speaker #3: You're also seeing that show up in the league tables. I mentioned the statistic about the increased activity that we're seeing in Healthcare, with those people that we're bringing on ramping nicely.

Speaker #3: And then Tracey, I'll let you characterize your comments.

Speaker #5: Yeah. Brennan, I think the comment was, and I think you know this actually pretty well, if you were to look historically, primarily on the financial advisory side of the business, the second half is usually stronger than the first half.

Tracy Farr: Yeah. Brennan, I think the comment was, and I think you know this actually pretty well, if you were to look historically, primarily on the Financial Advisory side of the business, the H2 is usually stronger than the H1. My comment was simply to say that given the H1 being lighter on revenue than we had maybe expected at the end of last year, which we've talked at length about. The growth in some of those factors Peter just mentioned. The just strong performance in some of these ramping MDs, in the tenured MDs that we've had, the pace of that pipeline build, which we've probably talked about in the past, that H1 versus H2 trend might be more pronounced this year. That's what I was trying to highlight there. Peter highlighted the reasons for that.

Speaker #5: My comment was simply to say that, given the first half being lighter on revenue than we had maybe expected at the end of last year—which we've talked at length about—but the growth in some of those factors Peter just mentioned, the strong performance in some of these ramping MDs and the tenured MDs that we've had, and the pace of that pipeline build, which we've probably talked about in the past, that first half versus second half trend might be more pronounced this year.

Speaker #5: That's what I was trying to highlight there. And Peter highlighted the reasons for that. I think the only thing I would add to that is that pace of growth into the second half has been just at a higher pace than in years past, and it's part of the reason that when I'm sure there may be a question on comprehension, it's part of the reason that we think that there's probably some potential for improvement in that.

Tracy Farr: I think the only thing I would add to that is that pace of growth into the H2 has been just at a higher pace than in years past, and it's part of the reason that I'm sure there may be a question on comp ratio. It's part of the reason that we think that there's probably some potential for improvement in that. It's just at this point in the year, that revenue growth continuing at that pace is higher than in years past. So we have a slightly lower visibility to how much that comp ratio could improve in the H2. Got it. Okay, thanks. Sorry, Tracy, I messed up.

Speaker #5: It's just, at this point in the year, that the pace at which revenue growth continued is higher than in years past. And so it's just that we have slightly lower visibility into how much that comprehension could improve in the second half.

Speaker #6: Got it. Okay, thanks. And sorry, Tracey—I messed up when attributing.

Brennan Hawken: Got it. Okay, thanks. Sorry, Tracy, I messed up.

Peter Orszag: That's okay.

Speaker #3: That's okay.

Speaker #5: That's fine, Brennan. I took it personally.

Tracy Farr: That's all right, Brennan.

Peter Orszag: I took a H1.

Speaker #6: No, I sure hope not. I'll really tick you off if that's the case at different times. So, one more—my follow-up. You touched on this a little bit in your comments, Peter. MD headcount.

Brennan Hawken: I sure hope not. I'll really tick you off if that's the case. It's different times. One more. My follow-up. You touched on this a little bit in your comments, Peter. MD headcount. We saw MD headcount decline a bit quarter-over-quarter. Could you talk about what drove that and how we should think about headcount for the rest of the year? You commented on the J-curve and improving some of the ramp. You spoke in your answer to my other question on the quantum of MDs that you guys have added. What are some of the important things we should think about on that front?

Speaker #6: So we saw MD headcount decline a bit quarter over quarter. Could you talk about what drove that and how we should think about headcount for the rest of the year?

Speaker #6: You commented on the J curve and improving some of the ramp. You spoke in your answer to my other question on the quantum of MDs that you guys have added.

Speaker #6: So, what are some of the important things we should think about on that front?

Speaker #3: First, I wouldn't focus too much on the quarter-to-quarter fluctuations in the MD count, because that involves some idiosyncratic things about exactly when garden leave expires and someone can join the platform, and also exactly when, on the separation front, the departures happen.

Peter Orszag: First, I wouldn't focus too much on the quarter-to-quarter fluctuations in the MD count because that involves some idiosyncratic things about exactly when garden leave expires and someone can join the platform, and also exactly when, on the separation front, the departures happen. I guess the key point is, at the end of the Q1, I believe the number of our advisory managing directors was 238. I'm getting a nod. 238. We will be at least at 248, if not more, by the end of the Q1 2027. We remain on track to continue adding 10 to 15 net MDs per year. We already have visibility into achieving that objective. That's what I would say about the managing directors.

Speaker #3: I guess the key point is, at the end of the first quarter, I believe the number of our advisory managing directors was 238. I'm getting a nod.

Speaker #3: Okay. So, 238. We will be at least at 248, if not more, by the end of the first quarter of 2027. So, we remain on track to continue adding 10 to 15 net MDs per year, and we already have visibility into achieving that objective.

Speaker #3: And so that's what I would say about the managing directors. And then in terms of where we're hiring, I already gave a little bit of context, healthcare industrials technology, but we have a very active recruitment effort.

Peter Orszag: In terms of where we're hiring, I already gave a little bit of context, healthcare, industrials, and technology, but we have a very active recruitment effort. We are attracting talent in Europe also. You should expect it to be disproportionate in the United States, but still adding talent elsewhere in the world. I don't know if that answers what you were asking.

Speaker #3: We are adding talent in Europe also. And you should expect it to be disproportionate in the United States. But still adding talent elsewhere in the world.

Speaker #3: I'm not sure if that answers what you were asking.

Speaker #6: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was kind of hoping to understand a little bit about the ramping.

Tracy Farr: Yeah. I was kind of hoping to understand a little bit about the ramping.

Speaker #3: Oh, sure. Okay. Let me talk about that. So look, Brennan, we've done a very detailed analysis of the separations that we strategically made the choice to do.

Peter Orszag: Oh, sure. Okay.

Tracy Farr: Yeah.

Peter Orszag: Let me talk about that. Look, Brennan, we've done a very detailed analysis of the separations that we strategically made the choice to do, the new people that we're bringing on. What I think is important to realize is, I kind of feel for you on this, we're providing more clarity at this moment in time. Because what we've done is unusual, on purpose, again, with a significant amount of Basically turnover on purpose in our MD ranks. Specifically, the ramping that we're seeing from our new managing directors is very encouraging.

Speaker #3: And then the new people that were bringing on. And what I think is important to realize is, and I kind of feel for you on this, so we're going to we're providing more clarity at this moment in time because what we've done is unusual.

Speaker #3: On purpose, again, with a significant amount of the turnover—basically turnover on purpose—in our MD ranks. And so, specifically, the ramping that we're seeing from our new managing directors is very encouraging.

Speaker #3: For you, it may be a little bit or anyone on the outside, I don't mean you specifically, that is a little bit obfuscated by this J curve that we've talked about where there is some, not proportionate to the number of managing directors that we separated with because they were disproportionately lower productivity, but still some revenue loss associated with those separations.

Peter Orszag: For you, it may be a little bit, or anyone on the outside, I don't mean you specifically, that is a little bit obfuscated by this J-curve that we've talked about, where there is some, not proportionate to the number of managing directors that we separated with because they were disproportionately lower productivity, but still some revenue loss associated with those separations. You have the ramping of the new managing directors. That is, I don't want to say unique to Lazard, but we have done something that is unusual and exceptional. Again, we're excited about the evidence that we're seeing that it's playing out as we hoped it to do. Two more comments on this. One, if you look at the managing director by managing director ramp, it is looking very encouraging.

Speaker #3: And then you have the ramping of the new managing directors. And that is—I don't want to say unique to Lazard—but we have done something that is unusual and exceptional.

Speaker #3: Again, we're excited about the evidence that we're seeing—that it's playing out as we hoped it would. So, two more comments on this.

Speaker #3: One, if you look at the managing director-by-managing director ramp, it is looking very encouraging. I'll give you one statistic: even after two years on the platform, they're already above the separated MDs.

Peter Orszag: I give you one statistic that even after 2 years on the platform, they're already above the separated MDs. That's consistent with the pattern that we would like to be seeing and very encouraging. That was only one data point among many that we have about the ramping occurring in a constructive way and on the schedule that we expected. Second point is that will all be increasingly visible to you as we are now exiting this transitional J-curve moment. We've done a very detailed analysis of the net impact, if you will, of the separations and the new hires. That was a significant tailwind, I mean, sorry, headwind, excuse me, in 2024. It was moving more towards neutrality in 2025 and 2026, but still weighing on our results to some degree.

Speaker #3: But that's consistent with the pattern that we would like to be seeing, and very encouraging. That was only one data point among many that we have about the ramping occurring in a constructive way and on the schedule that we expected.

Speaker #3: The second point is that all of this will be increasingly visible to you, as we are now exiting this transitional J-curve moment. We have done a very detailed analysis of the net impact, if you will, of the separations and the new hires.

Speaker #3: That was a significant tailwind I mean, sorry, headwind, excuse me, in 2024. It was moving more towards neutrality in '25 and some degree. And as we move into 2027, it becomes a quite significant tailwind when you go MD by MD very granularly.

Peter Orszag: As we move into 2027, it becomes a quite significant tailwind when you go MD by MD very granularly. That is consistent with the forward indicators that we're seeing. From roughly this point forward, as there are more indicators that we're emerging from this transitional J-curve moment, you should see the external results of the ramping more consistent with the patterns that you may have seen at other firms because they did not have the large number of necessary separations. The go forward, you'll just see the ramping of new hires increasingly translate into net revenue growth and then into earnings and comp leverage.

Speaker #3: And that is consistent with the forward indicators that we're seeing. So from roughly this point forward as we as there are more indicators that we're emerging from this transitional J curve moment, you should see the external results of the ramping more consistent with what you may the patterns that you may have seen at other firms because they did not have the large number of necessary separations.

Speaker #3: So, going forward, you'll just see the ramping of new hires increasingly translate into net revenue growth, and then into earnings and comp leverage.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question will come from Mike Brown with UBS. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Michael Brown with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So I wanted to start on the asset management side. So the first half, 7.5 billion of net inflows, clearly a really positive start to the year.

Michael Brown: Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to start on the asset management side. The H1, $7.5 billion of net inflows, clearly a really positive start to the year. Clearly tracking to the positive net flows for the year. I guess what's clear is you've had that successful H1, but it's also clear that you have a large cushion here for the H2. I assume you're not expecting the H2 to be kind of the mirror image or opposite of the H1. Maybe any comments on the puts and takes for flows in the H2, and maybe just touch on where you're seeing the most traction there. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Clearly tracking to the positive net flows for the year. I guess what's clear is we've had that successful first half, but it's also clear that you have a large cushion here for the second half.

Speaker #6: I assume you're not expecting the second half to be kind of the mirror image or opposite of the first half. So maybe any comments on the puts and takes for flows in the second half and maybe just touch on where you're seeing the most traction there.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Mike. That's a great question. So look, we are very confident in the sustained momentum that we're commercial momentum we're seeing in the asset management business, as you said.

Chris Hogbin: Thanks, Michael. That's a great question. Look, we are very confident in the sustained momentum, the commercial momentum we're seeing in the asset management business. As you said, it's a very strong H1. Underlying that, there's a real breadth to what's contributing. You're seeing that notably from our systematic equities platform, our Advantage platform that has doubled in size to $50 billion over the last year. There's a large number of other services contributing, emerging markets, listed infrastructure, Japan, robotics, and some fixed income strategies as well. There's real breadth to it from a product perspective. There's real breadth to it from a geographic perspective. We're seeing net inflows in Asia, we're seeing net inflows in Europe, we're seeing net inflows in the US.

Speaker #5: It's a very strong first half. Underlying that, there's a real breadth to what's contributing. You're seeing that notably from our Systematic Equities platform, our Advantage platform, which has doubled in size to $50 billion over the last year.

Speaker #5: But there's a long large number of other services contributing: emerging markets, listed infrastructure, Japan, robotics, and then some fixed income strategies as well. So there's real breadth to it from a product perspective.

Speaker #5: There's real breadth to it from a geographic perspective. We're seeing net inflows in Asia. We're seeing net inflows in Europe. We're seeing net inflows in the US.

Speaker #5: If we look at our looking forward, if we look at our one but not funded pipeline, it is at a level today that is higher than we had at the end of last year.

Chris Hogbin: Looking forward, if we look at our won but not funded pipeline, it is at a level today that is higher than we had at the end of last year. That gives us a lot of confidence in the sustained momentum going forward. As you track through month by month, you can kind of split the business in half. There's a retail business that's been a very steady contributor to the net flow picture. Then we have institutional that by its nature is lumpier, with big mandates that we can win and also big mandates we can see redeemed. That will give us some volatility month to month. Given the level of commercial activity I'm seeing, I'm very confident as we look through the remainder of the year.

Speaker #5: That gives us a lot of confidence in this sustained momentum going forward. As you track through month by month, there's two parts to you can kind of split the business in half.

Speaker #5: There's a retail business that's been a very steady contributor to the net flow picture. And then we have institutional, which by its nature is lumpier.

Speaker #5: With big mandates, that we can win and also big mandates we can see redeemed so that will give us some volatility month to month.

Speaker #5: But given the level of commercial activity I'm seeing, I'm very confident as we look through the remainder of the year.

Speaker #6: Okay, great. Thank you, Chris. And if we just shift back to the comp leverage discussion—a comprehensive discussion—a little bit; lots of good color there.

Michael Brown: Okay, great. Thank you, Chris. If we just shift back to the comp leverage discussion, comp ratio discussion a little bit. Lots of good color there, I know you don't have a crystal ball and it's going to be very kind of revenue dependent. If asset management continues on the path it's on, I guess it'll be kind of FA driven here. Clearly, optimism's high in the H2. I guess if I frame it this way, if financial advisory is up, say, 40% or so in the H2 versus the H1 or call it 20% versus the H2 of last year, can you get to that 65.5 level for the comp ratio that you were at last year?

Speaker #6: And I know that you don't have a crystal ball, and it's going to be very kind of revenue dependent. If asset management continues on the path it's on, I guess it'll be kind of FA driven here.

Speaker #6: Clearly, optimism is high in the second half. So I guess if I frame it this way, if financial advisory is up, say, 40% or so in the second half versus the first half or call it 20% versus the second half of last year, can you get to that 65 and a half level for the comp ratio that you were at last year?

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Michael Brown: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Yeah. This is a really yeah. This is a really good question. And I think we're probably we're going to get a few more questions on this.

Tracy Farr: Yeah, this is a really good question. I think we're probably going to get a few more questions on this. If you don't mind, I'm actually going to maybe get into a bit more detail here, because to Peter's point, I know that there's certain things that we're seeing in the business that you don't have around that forward momentum. Secondly, actually I would point out, I don't know if we mentioned it, but there was a new slide in the investor presentation that exactly highlights graphically some of the volume of change in the MDs and some of the curves that I'll talk to in just a second. I think it was in page 24 of the investor deck. I might point that out because that could be helpful to some people. Let me just take a minute.

Speaker #5: So if you don't mind, I'm actually going to maybe get into a bit more detail here because to Peter's point, I know that there's certain things that we're seeing in the business that you don't have around that forward momentum.

Speaker #5: And then secondly—and actually, I would point out, I don't know if we mentioned it—but there was a new slide in the investor presentation that exactly highlights graphically some of the volume of change in the MDs and some of the curve that I'll talk to in just a second.

Speaker #5: I think it was on page 24 of the investor deck, so I might point that out because that could be helpful to some people.

Speaker #5: But so let me just take a minute. I mentioned first off a few factors that would limit visibility at this point in the year.

Tracy Farr: I mentioned, first off, a few factors that would limit visibility at this point in the year. Let me flag that. With perhaps one exception in the past decade, our Q2 accrual has always kind of mirrored our Q1 accrual. If you went back to our Q1 accrual, we had a lighter Q1 on revenue. We had higher fixed costs. The vast majority, if not almost all of the Q1 accrual, was due to fixed comp, significantly more than in 2025, and that ties back to Peter's comment about the hiring. To maintain that consistency, that's partly why we had this Q2 accrual, but that's regular practice on our end. It's not really until the H2 of the year that we have better visibility.

Speaker #5: Let me flag that. With perhaps one exception, in the past decade, our Q2 accrual has always kind of mirrored our Q1 accrual. And if you went back to our Q1 accrual, we had a lighter Q1 on revenue.

Speaker #5: We had higher fixed costs, the vast majority, if not almost all of the Q1 accrual was due to fixed comp. Significantly more than in 2025.

Speaker #5: And that ties back to Peter's comment about the hiring. So to maintain that consistency, that's partly why we had this Q2 accrual. But that's regular practice on our end.

Speaker #5: And so, it's not really until the second half of the year that we have better visibility. But you're right—if revenue performs, and that's partly why we had that caveat—if revenue continues to perform, that comp ratio can come down in the second half of the year.

Tracy Farr: You're right, if revenue performs, and that's partly why we had that caveat, if revenue continues to perform, that comp ratio can come down in the H2 of the year. I'm not going to get into specifics about where it could end up, but I think you're thinking about it the right way, that it is kind of indexed to FA performance in the H2 of the year, and we'll get more visibility in that H2 or certainly into Q3. I do want to step back and address something I continue to think that people may be underappreciating. Peter just highlighted this, the significance of that repositioning and that J-curve impact that Peter mentioned. I want to just touch on that briefly. It exists on both the revenue and expense sides of the comp ratio.

Speaker #5: I'm not going to get into specifics about where it could end up, but I think you're thinking about it the right way—that it is kind of indexed to FA performance in the second half of the year.

Speaker #5: And we'll get more visibility in that second half, or certainly into Q3. But I do want to step back and address something I continue to think that people may be underappreciating.

Speaker #5: Peter just highlighted this—the significance of that repositioning and the J-curve impact that Peter mentioned. I want to touch on that briefly. It exists on both the revenue and expense sides of the comp ratio.

Speaker #5: So, on the revenue side, Peter just mentioned this. Revenue from our new MDs takes time to build. We're very excited about the pace of that and the MD productivity, even by cohort.

Tracy Farr: On the revenue side, Peter Orszag just mentioned this, revenue from our new MDs takes time to build. We're very excited about the pace of that and the MD productivity, even by cohort. The revenue that we lost from the separated MDs is more immediate. On the expense side, there's a related but inverted dynamic, basically an inverted curve, because lateral MDs, which were a higher proportion of rebuilding that, over 90 MDs hired since 2023. That's very different. That gross impact is very different than kind of the 10 to 15 net MDs per year that I think a lot of people focus on. I think the impact of the comp ratio largely comes from the accounting impact and delayed accrual amortization related to that gross change in the MD pool that really happened between effectively end of 2023 and 2024.

Speaker #5: But the revenue that we lost from the separated MDs is more immediate. On the expense side, there's a related but inverted dynamic. Basically, an inverted curve because lateral MDs, which were a higher proportion of rebuilding that, over 90 MDs hired since 2023, that's very different.

Speaker #5: That gross impact is very different than kind of the 10 to 15 net MDs per year that I think a lot of people focus on.

Speaker #5: I think the impact of the comp ratio largely comes from the accounting impact and delayed amortization related to that gross change. In the MD pool, that really happened between effectively end of '23 and '24.

Speaker #5: And so just as a reminder, since '23, we separated with over MDs or placed them with roughly 90 new hires and promotes. That gross impact is far more significant than that net add would suggest.

Tracy Farr: Just as a reminder, since 2023, we separated with over MDs and replaced them with roughly 90 new hires and promotes. That gross impact is far more significant than that net add would suggest. If you're only focused on that 10 to 15 with the elevated hiring that Peter Orszag focuses on, you're probably underappreciating and may not be accounting enough for the higher amortization levels. If you dig into it, I could get into this more if we wanted to, the kind of fixed costs related to guarantees and the amortization from prior periods. If you look at H1 2026 versus H1 2025, there's a pretty big difference that's again contributing to that. I just wanted to highlight that gross emphasis on the MD pool change that drives a lot of it.

Speaker #5: So if you're only focused on that 10 to 15 with the elevated hiring that Peter focuses on, you're probably underappreciating and may not be accounting enough for the higher amortization levels.

Speaker #5: And if you dig into and I could get into this more if we wanted to, the kind to guarantees and the amortization from prior periods, if you look at first half of '26 versus first half of '25, there's a pretty big difference.

Speaker #5: That's, again, contributing to that. So I just wanted to highlight that gross emphasis on the MD pool change that drives a lot of it.

Speaker #5: But to tie back to your original question, I think you're thinking about it right. The improvement in the comp ratio in the second half of the year is really indexed to the FA performance in the second half of the year.

Tracy Farr: To tie back to your original question, I think you're thinking about it right. The improvement in the comp ratio in H2 of the year is really indexed to the FA performance in H2 of the year, and Peter Orszag highlighted all of that positive momentum that we're seeing.

Speaker #5: And Peter highlighted all of that positive momentum that we're seeing.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question will come from James Yarrow with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from James Yaro with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: Thanks for taking the question. I want to touch a little bit on AI impacts on investment banking. I would posit that much of the AI impact on investment bank activity appears to be in financing markets rather than M&A.

James Yaro: Thanks for taking the question. I want to touch a little bit on AI impacts on investment banking. I would posit that much of the AI impact on investment bank activity appears to be in financing markets rather than M&A. I'd just love to get your perspective on the ways in which Lazard's strategic advisory business can benefit from AI, and specifically on M&A, but more broadly on strategic advisory and maybe in the secondaries business as well.

Speaker #4: So I'd just love to get your perspective on the ways in which Lazard's strategic advisory business can benefit from AI. And specifically on M&A.

Speaker #4: But more broadly, on strategic advisory and maybe in the secondary's business as well.

Speaker #5: Okay, so let me answer that in a couple of different ways. First, with regard to clients, we have, through Lazard Capital Solutions, a lot of capabilities in matching strategics with sources of private capital, including insurance capital.

Peter Orszag: Okay. Let me answer that in a couple different ways. First, with regard to client activity, we have through Lazard Capital Solutions, a lot of capabilities in matching strategics with sources of private capital, including insurance capital. That is a very active vector for a lot of AI investments, frankly, even beyond AI, a lot of corporate balance sheet optimization. That's one piece. I think secondly, especially as we move towards the Lazard CL, third leg of Lazard in private capital advisory, there's an exceptionally good data asset that the combined businesses will have in terms of insight into GPs and LPs, and deploying our AI technologies to that data we already know will provide lots of insight that is commercially relevant and valuable to clients.

Speaker #5: And that is a very active vector for a lot of the AI investments. Frankly, even beyond AI, a lot of corporate balance sheet optimization so that's one piece.

Speaker #5: I think secondly, especially as we move towards the Lazard CL third leg of Lazard, in private capital advisory, there's an exceptionally good data asset that the combined businesses will have in terms of insight into GPs and LPs.

Speaker #5: And deploying our AI technologies to that data is going to, we already know, provide lots of insight that is commercially relevant and valuable to clients.

Speaker #5: So, one of the things we haven't talked a lot about, but that we're excited about, is ways of deploying that data asset, if you will, with the scale that the Lazard/CL combination will bring.

Peter Orszag: One of the things we haven't talked a lot about but that we're excited about is ways of deploying that data asset, if you will, with the scale that the Lazard CL combination will bring. The third piece I'd say is with regard to how we serve our clients. I've spoken about this before and I mentioned it briefly, but We are committed to being at the forefront of this ongoing revolution in technology, and it is an exciting moment because the tools continue to advance quite rapidly. The deployment of AI within Lazard to our banking teams and to the asset management side of the business is very encouraging.

Speaker #5: And then the third piece, I'd say, is with regard to how we serve our clients. I've spoken about this before, and I mentioned it briefly, but we are committed to being at the forefront of this ongoing revolution in technology.

Speaker #5: And it is an exciting moment because the tools continue to advance quite rapidly. So the deployment of AI within Lazard to our banking teams and to the asset management side of the business is very encouraging.

Speaker #5: And every day there are new use cases. And so I'm very excited about the ability of our adoption of this technology to help us better serve clients and serve clients in new and innovative ways.

Peter Orszag: Every day there are new use cases, I'm very excited about the ability of our adoption of this technology to help us better serve clients and serve clients in new and innovative ways. A lot more to come on that topic as we continue to pursue new opportunities. I would just call out the exceptional AI team we have internally, and then also the fact that we've got Dmitry Shevelenko, the deputy of Perplexity, on our board, who is a fantastic resource for helping guide us to where the puck is going and not just where it currently sits.

Speaker #5: So a lot more to come on that topic as we continue to pursue new opportunities. And I would just call out the exceptional AI team we have internally and then also the fact that we've got Dimitri Shevalenko, the deputy at Perplexity, on our board who is a fantastic resource for helping guide us to where things where the puck is going and not just where it currently sits.

Speaker #4: That's very helpful. I just wanted to zoom in and clarify one point on the advisory strength in the quarter. I would argue a strong result here and ahead of what we had at least forecasted.

James Yaro: That's very helpful. I just wanted to zoom in and clarify one point on the advisory strength in the quarter. I would argue a strong result here and ahead of what we had at least forecasted. Was there anything that changed relative to your commentary at the intra-quarter conference, whether that be in terms of faster closings, pull forwards, or something else? Just trying to put this quarter's results into context relative to your, what I would characterize as quite constructive H2 outlook for strategic advisory.

Speaker #4: Was there anything that changed relative to your commentary at the intra-quarter conference, whether that be in terms of faster closings, pull-forwards, or something else?

Speaker #4: Just trying to put this quarter's results into context relative to your what I would characterize as quite constructive second half outlook for strategic advisory.

Speaker #5: Look, what I would say is there was no exceptional pull-forward or that sort of thing. I think the point is, instead, it's not really a quarterly business because things can bounce around.

Peter Orszag: Look, what I would say is there was no exceptional pull forward or that sort of thing. I think the point is instead, it's not really a quarterly business because things can bounce around. What we're seeing is increasing momentum across the business, some of which showed up in this quarter. There wasn't any particular M&A, non-M&A mix shift, et cetera. I think it's just an indication of a bit more strengthening as we're emerging from this J-curve period in our momentum.

Speaker #5: And what we're seeing is increasing momentum across the business, some of which showed up in this quarter. And there wasn't any particular M&A, non-M&A mix shift, etc.

Speaker #5: I think it's just an indication of a bit more strengthening of as we're emerging from this JCAR period. In our momentum.

Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question will come from Connell Schmitz with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Connell Schmitz with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So I guess speaking with the AI point, you've added a new piece to your AI progression timeline with the rollout of Claude, but you have not spoken much about it.

Connell Schmitz: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I guess I'm sticking with the AI point. You've added a new piece to your AI progression timeline with the rollout of Claude, but you have not spoken much about it. Does this mark a bit of a shift in your AI strategy from a provider standpoint? Broadly, this involves increased tech investment. How should we think about the model around non-comp expenses trajectory for the remainder of the year? Has there been any progress made so far regarding the reduction in corporate overhead expenses that have been talked about? Thanks.

Speaker #6: Does this mark a bit of a shift in your AI strategy from a provider standpoint? And then broadly, this involves increased tech investment. How should we think about the model around non-comp expenses trajectory for the remainder of the year?

Speaker #6: And has there been any progress made so far regarding the reduction in corporate overhead expenses that have been talked about? Thanks.

Speaker #5: Okay. I'll take the first part and Tracy can take the second part. We have always been throughout this AI journey committed to not locking into a single model, not having us kind of sole source vulnerability or choke point, if you will.

Peter Orszag: Okay, I'll take the first part, and Tracy can take the second part. We have always been, throughout this AI journey, committed to not locking into a single model, not having a kind of sole source vulnerability or choke point, if you will. We've been very explicit in having a variety of models that sit inside of our firewall and that can be used by our banking teams. I think the rollout of Claude is just consistent with that general philosophy. Claude is not the only model that sits inside of the firewall, as it were. We've got multiple different models. I think the important thing that we're trying to drive is the cultural change in terms of how work is undertaken. To be able to easily swap out the underlying model as we do that work is very explicitly part of our AI strategy.

Speaker #5: So we've been very explicit in having a variety of models that sit inside of our firewall and that can be used by our banking teams.

Speaker #5: And I think the rollout of Claude has just consistent with that general philosophy. And Claude is not the only model that's inside of the firewall as it were.

Speaker #5: So, we've got multiple different models. I think the important thing that we're trying to drive is the cultural change in terms of how work is undertaken.

Speaker #5: And to be able to easily swap out the underlying model as we do that work is very explicitly part of our AI strategy. So I wouldn't make too much about Claude or any of the other models other than to say the progression and the quality of the output is remarkable.

Peter Orszag: I wouldn't make too much about Claude or any of the other models other than to say the progression and the quality of the output is remarkable and it's exciting to see. One final comment is I'd say at this point, our AI spend and token cost is still quite modest and so not really material from any non-comp expense perspective, but I'll let Tracy comment more broadly about non-comp. Just before I close out, relative to the opportunity, the spend here is still quite modest. We will obviously watch that, but we see huge opportunity here and are trying to drive the adoption culturally, and are pleased with what we're seeing. Tracy.

Speaker #5: And it's exciting to see. One final comment is, I'd say at this point, our AI spend and token cost is still quite modest, and so not really material from any non-comp expense perspective. But I'll let Tracy comment more broadly about non-comp.

Speaker #5: So, just before I close out, relative to the opportunity, the spend here is still quite modest. And we will obviously watch that, but we see huge opportunity here.

Speaker #5: And still and are trying to drive the adoption culturally and are pleased with what we're seeing. Tracy.

Speaker #2: Yeah. Peter, I'd echo that same point. I mean, we track the AI spend really closely. And as Peter mentioned, we have access to a lot of models and there's we can track that actually by vendor I may actually come back to that point around non-comp spend at the end.

Tracy Farr: Yeah, Peter, I'd echo that same point. We track the AI spend really closely and, as Peter mentioned, we have access to a lot of models and we can track that actually by vendor. I may actually come back to that point around non-comp spend at the end. You asked about some of the cost efficiency things. Firm-wide, we're kind of trying to simplify our corporate and support function processes and structure broadly. Before I talk about that, when you think about the two businesses, in asset management, we already talked about streamlining our research platform, portfolio managers and analysts working more efficiently in closer coordination across the equity businesses. In asset management, there was already in the past month a series of headcount reductions reflecting that efficiency and some just business as usual improvement, which I think is positive.

Speaker #2: You asked about some of the cost efficiency measures. Firm-wise, we're trying to simplify our corporate and support function processes and structure broadly.

Speaker #2: But before I talk about that, when you think about the two businesses, an asset management, we already talked about streamlining our research platform, portfolio managers and analysts working more efficiently and closer coordination across the equity businesses.

Speaker #2: In asset management, there was already, in the past month, a series of headcount reductions, reflecting efficiency and some just business-as-usual improvement, which I think is positive.

Speaker #2: In financial advisory, Peter's already mentioned this, but we're looking towards smaller deal teams and we've talked about in the past is really a lower total associate equivalent to MD ratio.

Tracy Farr: In financial advisory, Peter's already mentioned this, but we're looking towards smaller deal teams and what we've talked about in the past is really a lower total associate equivalent to MD ratio. Speaking to that MD headcount. As far as whether it's AI or team structures affecting the front offices, if you want to think about it that way from an expense perspective, we'll have a lot more detail in the H2 of the year, but that's where the focus is right now. In the back office or in the corporate, we've launched an in-depth review, and there's a lot of work being done on that.

Speaker #2: So really speaking to that MD headcount. So as far as whether it's AI or team structures, affecting the front offices, if you want to think about it that way from an expense perspective, we'll have a lot more detail in the second half of the year, but that's where the focus is right now.

Speaker #2: In the back office or in the corporate, we've launched an in-depth review and there's a lot of work being done on that. As I highlighted before, when we think about the corporate expense, what we're most interested in is structural change that is sticky, that delivers a kind of a divorce in the relationship of inflation and those corporate and support functions from revenue growth.

Tracy Farr: As I highlighted before, when we think about the corporate expense, what we're most interested in is structural change that is sticky, that delivers a kind of a divorce in the relationship of inflation in those corporate and support functions from revenue growth. As Peter's highlighted, we're very positive on the forward-looking trajectory on revenue. My hope is that the efforts we're doing in corporate lower the growth rate in that corporate expense as the total revenue grows for the firm. That is a long-term project. We will have a lot more detail towards the end of the year on that, but that's where the efforts are going. The only point I would make on coming back to the AI spend, as Peter mentioned, it's not material, but the promising indicator is more cultural, if anything.

Speaker #2: As Peter's highlighted, we're very positive on the forward-looking trajectory on revenue. My hope is that the efforts we're doing in corporate lower the growth rate in that corporate expense as the total revenue grows for the firm.

Speaker #2: On that, that is a long-term project. We will have a lot more detail toward the end of the year on that. But that's where the efforts are going.

Speaker #2: The only point I would make on coming back to the AI spend, as Peter mentioned, it's not material, but the promising indicator is more cultural, if anything.

Speaker #2: We have the data as we look at the non-comp spend in the AI piece that shows this cultural adoption of AI within Lazard. And we're pretty confident about the return on investment there.

Tracy Farr: We have the data as we look at the non-comp spend in the AI piece that shows this cultural adoption of AI within Lazard, and we're pretty confident about the return on investment there. One thing that I don't think will be a near-term impact but will be something industry-wide to watch is as we shift more of those expenses toward technology over time, nothing near term, you might see actually some shift between comp expense and non-comp expense as just the workflows change. That's not anything near term. Right now, what we're observing is just a cultural adoption of AI throughout the organization.

Speaker #2: One thing that I don't think will be a near-term impact, but will be something industry-wide to watch, is as we shift more of those expenses toward technology over time—nothing near-term.

Speaker #2: You might actually see some shift between comp expense and non-comp expense as the workflows change. But that's not anything near-term. Right now, what we're observing is just a cultural adoption of AI throughout the organization.

Speaker #6: Thank you. That's very helpful. Just one quick follow-up on buybacks and M&A. So given you're restarting buybacks, is it fair to conclude that inorganic growth within the wealth space is unlikely in the near term?

Connell Schmitz: Thank you. That's very helpful. Just one quick follow-up on buybacks and M&A. Given you're restarting buybacks, is it fair to conclude that inorganic growth within the wealth space is unlikely in the near term as you look to increase wealth distribution from here? How's that strategy going?

Speaker #6: As you look to increase wealth distribution from here and how's that strategy going?

Speaker #2: Let me first say, I wouldn't classify or characterize it the way that you mentioned. We were excited to restart our buyback activity after we were kind of precluded from doing that with the Campbell Lections transaction.

Tracy Farr: I wouldn't characterize it the way that you mentioned. We were excited to restart our buyback activity after we were kind of precluded from doing that with the Campbell Lutyens transaction. We expect that to continue. Even, I think it's a fair characterization that actually our buyback activity remains while healthy. It's still a modest level versus historical levels. It wouldn't preclude any kind of investment from a strategic or inorganic perspective, as Peter's mentioned.

Speaker #2: We expect that to continue. But even I think it's a fair characterization that actually our buyback activity remains while healthy. It's still a modest level versus historical levels.

Speaker #2: And it wouldn't preclude any kind of investment from a strategic or inorganic perspective. As Peter's mentioned.

Speaker #5: I think the question was different if I understood it, which is does this signal that you're not at a stage in an inorganic process that precludes current buybacks?

Peter Orszag: I think the question was different, if I understood it, which is, does this signal that you're not at a stage in an inorganic process that precludes current buybacks? I think that would be a fair conclusion from our statements. We've also said we are actively looking at lots of inorganic options, it depends on what you mean by the timetable. We're actively looking at lots of different options. Sorry, Tracy.

Speaker #5: And I think that would be a fair conclusion. From our statements, but we've also said we are actively looking at lots of inorganic options.

Speaker #5: And so it depends on what you mean by the timetable. We're actively looking at lots of different options. Sorry, Tracy.

Speaker #2: No, no, I think that's all fair.

Tracy Farr: No, I think that's all fair.

Speaker #5: Did we was that the nature of the question?

Peter Orszag: Was that the nature of the question?

Speaker #6: Yeah, that was very helpful. Thank you.

Connell Schmitz: Yeah, that was very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #4: Thank you. Our next question will come from Steven Cheubak with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Steven Chubak with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Hi, good morning. And thanks for taking my questions. So appreciate all the detail unpacking some of the underlying business momentum that admittedly is obscured by the MDJ curve.

Steven Chubak: Hi. Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate all the detail unpacking some of the underlying business momentum that admittedly is obscured by the MD J-curve. Also recognize the complex that you spoke to in the second half is certainly going to be contingent on the magnitude of the FA ramp. Looking beyond 2026, was hoping you could speak to expectations for the comp trajectory if you just extrapolate based on the current ramp that you're seeing in productivity from new hires while still staying the course in terms of the commitment to adding talent in line with the 2030 targets.

Speaker #6: Also, recognize that the complex you spoke to in the second half is certainly going to be contingent on the magnitude of the FA ramp.

Speaker #6: But looking beyond '26, was hoping you could speak to expectations for the comp trajectory if you just extrapolate based on the current ramp that you're seeing in productivity from new hires while still staying the course in terms of the commitment to adding talent in line with the 2030 targets.

Speaker #5: That is a great question. And we see, obviously, the comp ratio coming down as we continue to pursue the Lazard 2030 plan, while also making new investments. Because again, to Tracy's point, I think the underappreciated point here is that elevated level of separations on a one-time basis that we had to do then necessitated—or it was always part of the plan—was matched with an elevated level of gross lateral hires, not net, gross lateral hires.

Peter Orszag: That is a great question. We see, obviously, the comp ratio coming down as we continue to pursue the Lazard 2030 plan while also making the new investments. Again, to Tracy's point, I think the underappreciated point here is that elevated level of separations on a one-time basis that we had to do then necessitated, or it was always part of the plan, was matched with an elevated level of gross lateral hires, not net, gross lateral hires. That creates a temporary bump in the comp ratio. There are kind of three things to highlight as we move into 2027 and 2028. One is just with time, the comp ratio comes down because the one-time effects of those buyouts, if you will, fade out of the equation.

Speaker #5: That creates a temporary bump in the comp ratio. So there are kind of three things to highlight as we move into 2027 and 2028.

Speaker #5: One is, just with time, the comp ratio comes down because the one-time effects of those buyouts, if you will, fade out of the equation.

Speaker #5: Secondly, as we continue to raise productivity and again, I underscored our conviction that we're on track to hit our $10 million per MD productivity target by 2028, we get non-MD comp pool because as productivity per MD goes up, the non-MD comp to revenue ratio goes down.

Peter Orszag: Secondly, as we continue to raise productivity. Again, I underscored our conviction that we're on track to hit our $10 million per MD productivity target by 2028. We get operating leverage out of the non-MD comp pool because as productivity per MD goes up, the non-MD comp to revenue ratio goes down. The third is that we do see the opportunity for efficiencies in how we go to market and in some of our corporate and other functions. There's a time effect, there's an operating leverage effect, then there's a kind of direct efficiency effect. The combination suggests a significant decline in 2027 and 2028 in the comp ratio. I don't know, Tracy, if you wanted to elaborate.

Speaker #5: And then the third is that we do see the opportunity for efficiencies in how we go to market and in our some of our corporate and other functions.

Speaker #5: So there's kind of a there's a time effect. There's an operating leverage effect. And then there's a kind of direct efficiency effect. And the combination suggests a significant decline over in '27 and '28 in the comp ratio.

Speaker #5: I don't know, Tracy, if you wanted to elaborate.

Speaker #2: No, I think that's really helpful. I think, just to maybe even dig in a bit deeper on that timeline expectation, Peter and I have talked about these J-curves.

Tracy Farr: I think that's really helpful. I think just to maybe even dig in a bit deeper on that timeline expectation. Peter and I have talked about these J-curves, Peter highlighted how 2026, you're kind of seeing the headwind from a revenue perspective die out, that turning into a tailwind in 2027. I think from a timing perspective, this is really just accounting, I would emphasize this again, a lot of the compensation expense that is driving some of the comp story already happened. It happened as those elevated hiring levels on a gross basis that Peter highlighted, which has really kind of already happened. As you know, given our deferrals and our vesting schedules and everything else, a lot of that comp expense amortizes over 3 years.

Speaker #2: And Peter highlighted how in '26, you're kind of seeing the headwind from a revenue perspective die out. And that turning into a tailwind in 2027 or yeah, 2027.

Speaker #2: I think the from a timing perspective, and this is really just accounting. I would emphasize this again. A lot of the compensation expense that is driving some of the comp story already happened.

Speaker #2: It happened as those elevated hiring levels on a gross basis that Peter highlighted, which has really kind of already happened. And as you know, given our deferrals and our vesting schedules and everything else, a lot of that comp expense amortizes over three years.

Speaker #2: As Peter highlighted with the revenue growth, we're kind of seeing even in the second year these ramping MDs exceed their productivity versus the MDs that were separated.

Tracy Farr: As Peter highlighted with the revenue growth, we're kind of seeing, even in the second year, these ramping MDs exceed their productivity versus the MDs that were separated. What does that all mean from a timing perspective? Just trend-wise, I think what you'll see is that there'll be a revenue tailwind in 2027. On the comp side, I think you really see it revert back to a normalized basis really in 2028, because when you think about comp expense on its own as its layer of the comp ratio, it's got a little bit of a lag versus the revenue showing up simply because of the accounting amortization. I agree with the way that Peter just characterized it, that there's this downward trend that is going to be evident both in 2027 and 2028, and that is really material over that 2-year period.

Speaker #2: So what does that all mean from a timing perspective? Just trend-wise, I think what you'll see is that there'll be a revenue tailwind in '27.

Speaker #2: On the comp side, I think you really see it revert back to a normalized basis really in 2028 because that's it's kind of a lack when you think about comp expense on its own is its layer of the comp ratio.

Speaker #2: It's got a little bit of a lag versus the revenue showing up, simply because of the accounting amortization. So I agree with the way that Peter just characterized it, that there's this downward trend that is going to be evident both in '27 and '28.

Speaker #2: And that is really material over that two-year period. And part of it is just a better appreciation for the unwind of the amortization that's happening from an accounting perspective on the comp ratio, and this dramatic build on the revenue side from the J-curve that Peter highlighted earlier.

Tracy Farr: Part of it is just a better appreciation for the unwind of the amortization that's happening from an accounting perspective on the comp ratio, and this dramatic build on the revenue side from the J-curve that Peter highlighted earlier.

Speaker #6: No, thank you both. That's really helpful color. And just for my follow-up, wanted to just get an update on the non-M&A businesses, whether it's private capital advisory or restructuring.

Steven Chubak: Thank you both. That's really helpful color. Just for my follow-up, wanted to just get an update on the non-M&A businesses, whether it's Private Capital Advisory or restructuring, just how you see momentum trending across the different geographies.

Speaker #6: Just how you see momentum trending across the different geographies.

Speaker #5: Yeah, so, well, on the geographies, I mentioned that we've seen a bit of a shift towards North America. I think that's partly market-driven. It's partly driven by our MD mix, which is growing disproportionately in North America on purpose.

Peter Orszag: Well, on the geographies, I mentioned that we've seen a bit of a shift towards North America. I think that's partly market driven. It's partly driven by our MD mix, which is growing disproportionately in North America on purpose. With regard to the non-M&A businesses, just to give you again that we're at roughly 60% M&A and 40% non-M&A in the advisory business. The non-M&A piece will expand as we move to integrating Campbell Lutyens. Just as one indicator of that, we have said previously and we still believe that the Lazard CL combination will produce $500 million in revenue in 2027, next year. Underlying trends that we're seeing in this year, PCA often has a lot of activity in the Q4, but it's trending in the ways that we expected in healthy business, the fundraising business.

Speaker #5: And then with regard to the non-M&A businesses, just to give you again that we're at roughly 60% M&A and 40% non-M&A in the advisory business.

Speaker #5: The non-M&A piece will expand as we move to integrating Campbell Lutchins. Just as one indicator of that, we have said previously and we'll we still believe that the Lazard CL combination will produce 500 million dollars in revenue in 2027, next year.

Speaker #5: And underlying trends that we're seeing in this year, PCA is a very often has a lot of activity in the fourth quarter, but it's trending in the ways that we expected and kind of healthy business, the fundraising business.

Speaker #5: And I'd say the same thing in restructuring. The restructuring team is flat out—sorry, I should say restructuring and liability management, since most of it is liability management.

Peter Orszag: I'd say the same thing in restructuring. The restructuring team is flat out. Sorry, I should say restructuring and liability management, since most of it's liability management.

Speaker #4: Thank you. Our next question will come from Devin Ryan with Citizens Bank. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Devin Ryan with Citizens Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Thanks. Good morning, Peter, Tracy, Chris. I'll just ask one question here. Peter, you mentioned conflict clearances are up over 100% for deals over $5 billion. That stood out to us.

Devin Ryan: Thanks. Good morning, Peter, Tracy, Chris. I'll just ask one question here. Peter, you mentioned conflict clearances are up over 100% for deals over $5 billion. That stood out to us. I know that's a material acceleration from the 50% you mentioned last quarter. Obviously, Lazard's always been involved in kind of large, complex deals. Can you just talk about some of the recent acceleration and whether that's a function of the kind of diverging backdrop between strategics and sponsors, versus being a result of maybe a concerted effort under your leadership within Lazard just to concentrate on larger deals and perhaps maybe the mix is shifting within the firm and even increasing market share there? Thanks.

Speaker #7: I know that's a material acceleration from the 50% you mentioned last quarter. Obviously, Lazard's always been involved in kind of large complex deals. But can you just talk about some of the recent acceleration and whether that's a function of the kind of diverging backdrop between strategic and sponsors versus being a result of maybe a concerted effort under your leadership within Lazard just to concentrate on larger deals and perhaps maybe the mix is shifting within the firm and even increasing market share there?

Speaker #7: Thanks.

Speaker #5: Yeah, a couple of comments on this. First, I think you may be mixing and matching slightly. We'll get back to you, but the 100—the up 40% overall dollar-weighted conflict clearances and/or the 100% for deals above $5 billion is a fee-weighted estimate.

Peter Orszag: Yeah. A couple comments on this. First, I think you may be mixing and matching slightly. We'll get back to you, but the up 40% overall dollar-weighted conflict clearances and more than 100% for deals above $5 billion is a fee-weighted estimate. The prior number you may be citing was the number of conflict clearances up. We'll get back to you to make sure, but the broader point holds regardless of that detail, we'll get back to you on that, which is we are seeing a significant uplift in our large cap activity. I think that's the reflection of three things. The first is that's what's happening in the marketplace. Coming back to the private equity discussion we were just having, disproportionately strategic activity is the thing driving M&A right now, and disproportionately large deals are driving the strategic activity, so that's partly market.

Speaker #5: The prior number you may be citing was the number of conflict clearances up. We'll get back to you to make sure, but I believe that that's but the broader point holds regardless of that detail.

Speaker #5: We'll get back to you on that, which is, we are seeing a significant uplift in our large-cap activity. I think that's the reflection of three things.

Speaker #5: The first is that we that's what's happening in the marketplace. So coming back to the private equity discussion, we were just having, disproportionately strategic activity is the thing driving M&A right now and disproportionately large deals are driving the strategic activity.

Speaker #5: So that's partly market. Second, and I think we articulated this on the one of the prior earnings calls, we had we were pleased with investments that we had been making in our private capital coverage efforts, but we set ourselves the task of lead table prominence and large cap prominence, including in 2026.

Peter Orszag: Second, I think we articulated this on one of the prior earnings calls. We were pleased with the investments that we had been making in our private capital coverage efforts, but we set ourselves the task of lead table prominence and large cap prominence, including in 2026. This is partly a kind of leadership and management initiative. It's always been core to Lazard to play in that arena. The third thing I think is the operating model that we've adopted, the increased level of Relationship building and convening, and also the hiring that we've been doing. We are in an increasing number of boardrooms and C-suites, and we're pleased with the progress that isn't even in the conflict clearance numbers, which is the traction we're getting with large clients.

Speaker #5: So this is partly a kind of leadership and management initiative. It's always been core to Lazard to play in that arena. And then the third thing I think is the operating model that we've adopted, the increased level of relationship building and convening.

Speaker #5: And also the hiring that we've been doing we are in an increasing number of boardrooms and C-suites and we're pleased with the progress that isn't even in the conflict clearance numbers, which is the traction we're getting with large clients.

Speaker #5: And I just highlight they are also Lazard's historical ability, which has been refreshed and renewed and reinforced to deliver contextual alpha. That is to incorporate the geopolitical piece into the analysis.

Peter Orszag: I'd just highlight there also Lazard's historical ability, which has been refreshed and renewed and reinforced to deliver contextual alpha, that is, to incorporate the geopolitical piece into the analysis, I think is part of what's giving us traction there. Partly market, partly leadership initiative, and partly our talent and our competitive advantage in what I call contextual alpha.

Speaker #5: I think that is part of what's giving us traction there, but it's partly market, partly a leadership initiative, and partly our talent and our competitive advantage in what I call contextual alpha.

Speaker #7: Yeah. Got it. Thank you, Peter. And you're correct. Yeah, I was citing the conflict clearances about 5 from last quarter. So slightly different.

Devin Ryan: Yeah. Got it. Thank you, Peter. You're correct. Yeah, I was citing the conflict clearances about five from last quarter, so slightly different-

Peter Orszag: Yeah, that was the number.

Speaker #5: Yeah, that was the number. But the point holds. The point still holds. There's disproportionate activity there.

Devin Ryan: comparison.

Peter Orszag: The point still holds. There's disproportionate activity there.

Speaker #7: Yep. Appreciate it. Okay. I'll leave it there. Thank you guys. Appreciate it.

Devin Ryan: Yep, appreciate it. Okay, I'll leave it there. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Speaker #4: Thank you. And our last question will come from Alex Bond with KBW. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. Our last question will come from Alex Bond with KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Follow-up to the last question actually around deals in the 1 to 5 billion dollar range.

Alex Bond: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Follow-up to the last question actually around deals in the $1 to $5 billion range. You obviously cited the $5 billion-plus range has been quite strong year to date. Wondering if you've seen any pickup in activity in this sub $5 billion range. I know part of the equation here is obviously the still depressed sponsor activity. Is there anything else that you'd point to here that might help get this deal cohort more active here moving forward?

Speaker #6: You obviously cited the $5 billion plus range that has been quite strong year to date. But wondering if you've seen any pickup in activity in this sub $5 billion range.

Speaker #6: I know part of the equation here is obviously the still depressed sponsor activity, but is there anything else that you'd point to here that might help get this deal cohort more active here moving forward?

Speaker #5: I think a lot of that activity is going to come back to the private equity dynamic we talked about. The reason we gave you the overall dollar-weighted conflict clearances is to give a sense of overall activity.

Peter Orszag: I think a lot of that activity is going to come back to the private equity dynamic we talked about. The reason we gave you the overall dollar-weighted conflict clearances is to give a sense of overall activity. It is still skewing somewhat towards the very large transactions. If private equity in particular were to become even, you would see a significant pickup in smaller deal sizes coexisting with those large strategic ones. I guess the way I would characterize it is the forward indicators that are very encouraging are encouraging despite the fact that private equity M&A has not yet fully reawakened. If it were to do so, the forward indicators would be even stronger.

Speaker #5: It is still skewing somewhat towards the very large transactions, but if private equity in particular were to become even you would see a significant pickup in smaller deal sizes coexisting with those large strategic ones.

Speaker #5: And so I guess the way I would characterize it is the forward indicators that are very encouraging are encouraging despite the fact that private equity M&A has not yet kind of fully reawakened.

Speaker #5: And if it were to do so, the forward indicators would be even stronger.

Speaker #6: Okay. Makes sense there. And then maybe one more just quickly on the non-comp side. Just wondering if your previous guide of mid to high single digits year over year for non-comp growth still holds and just any commentary on upward pressures on things like travel expense from higher energy prices, and I think you touched on this a little bit earlier, but AI-related costs on the tech side would be helpful as well.

Peter Orszag: Okay. Makes sense there. Maybe one more just quickly on the non-comp side. Just wondering if your previous guide of mid to high single digits year over year for non-comp growth still holds. Just any commentary on upward pressures on things like travel expense from higher energy prices. I think you touched on this a little bit earlier, but AI-related costs on the tech side would be helpful as well. Thank you.

Alex Bond: Okay. Makes sense there. Maybe one more just quickly on the non-comp side. Just wondering if your previous guide of mid to high single digits year over year for non-comp growth still holds. Just any commentary on upward pressures on things like travel expense from higher energy prices. I think you touched on this a little bit earlier, but AI-related costs on the tech side would be helpful as well. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Yeah. On the non-comp, that guidance still holds. I think it might be up a point or two, but still from what I said before, but still in that kind of mid to high single digit increase.

Tracy Farr: Yeah, on the non-comp, that guidance still holds. I think it might be up a point or two from what I said before, but still in that mid to high single-digit increase. I think the point on that, there might be a little bit more noise in it this year also because of the Campbell Lutyens transaction and some of the advisory that related to that. We'll try our best to carve that out or at least identify it. On the AI spend, Peter mentioned that. That will be increasing. Again, we've highlighted that adoption, but it's not yet material, and again, the return there is very, very strong. You mentioned travel. This is an area where I'm not too sure I want to distinguish between actual energy costs versus actual activity. What I would highlight is travel activity convening client meetings is on the rise, as Peter mentioned.

Speaker #5: I think on that point, there might be a little bit more noise in it this year, also because of the Campbell Legends transaction and some of the advisory that related to that.

Speaker #5: We'll try our best to kind of carve that out or at least identify it. On the AI spend, Peter mentioned that. That will be increasing.

Speaker #5: Again, we've highlighted that adoption, but it's not yet material. And again, the return, there is very, very strong. You mentioned travel. I mean, this is an area where I've not too sure I want to distinguish between actual energy costs versus actual activity.

Speaker #5: What I would highlight is travel activity, convening, client meetings is on the rise as Peter mentioned. We're very bullish on that and that's probably an area of non-comp that while we always want to be efficient, it's not something we're trying to dial back.

Tracy Farr: We're very bullish on that's probably an area of non-comp that while we always want to be efficient, it's not something we're trying to dial back. We're trying to make sure our bankers and our portfolio managers are with their clients, that there's a lot of activity. We see that as a differentiator for Lazard, particularly in an environment where AI is increasing. We view the client relationship as paramount. So that convening activity, that higher T&E spend will be offset by some of the savings that we're trying to do in other areas of non-comp. We actually see that as almost a revenue driver, if anything else.

Speaker #5: We're trying to make sure our bankers and our portfolio managers are with their clients that there's a lot of activity. We see that as a differentiator for Lazard, particularly in an environment where AI is increasing.

Speaker #5: We view the client relationship as paramount. And so that convening activity, that higher T&E spend will be offset by some of the savings that we're trying to do in other areas of non-comp.

Speaker #5: But we actually see that as almost a revenue driver if anything else.

Speaker #4: Great. Thank you. This now concludes Lazard's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. We appreciate your time and participation. You may disconnect at this time.

Operator: Great. Thank you. This now concludes Lazard's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. We appreciate your time and participation. You may disconnect at this time.

Operator: Great. Thank you. This now concludes Lazard's Q2 2026 Earnings Conference Call. We appreciate your time and participation. You may disconnect at this time.

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