Q2 2026 Hippo Holdings Inc Earnings Call

July 30, 2026

Operator 2: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the Hippo Holdings Inc. Q2 2026 Earnings Call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Charles Sebaski, Head of Investor Relations. Charles, please go ahead.

Operator: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the Hippo Holdings Inc. Q2 2026 Earnings Call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Charles Sebaski, Investor Relations. Charles, please go ahead.

Speaker #1: If you would like to ask a question, please press *1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press *1 again. I will now hand the conference over to Charles Sebaski, Investor Relations.

Speaker #1: Charles, please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Good morning, and thank you for joining Hippo's second quarter 2026 earnings call. Earlier today, Hippo issued an earnings release announcing its Q2 results and a financial results presentation, which will be webcast during today's call.

Charles Sebaski: Good morning. Thank you for joining Hippo's Q2 2026 earnings call. Earlier today, Hippo issued an earnings release announcing its Q2 results and a financial results presentation, which will be webcast during today's call, both of which are available at investors.hippo.com. Leading today's discussion will be Hippo President and Chief Executive Officer, Rick McCathron, and Chief Financial Officer, Guy Zeltser. Following management's prepared remarks, we will open up the call to questions. Before we begin, we would like to remind you that our discussion will contain predictions, expectations, forward-looking statements, and other information about our business that are based on management's current expectations as of the date of this presentation. Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, Hippo's expectations or predictions of financial and business performance and conditions, and competitive and industry outlook.

Speaker #2: Both of which are available at investors.hippo.com. Leading today's discussion will be Hippo President and Chief Executive Officer Rick McCathron, and Chief Financial Officer Guy Zeltser.

Speaker #2: Following management's prepared remarks, we will open up the call to questions. Before we begin, we'd like to remind you that our discussion will contain predictions and expectations forward-looking statements and other information about our business that are based on management's current expectations as of the date of this presentation.

Speaker #2: Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, Hippo's expectations or predictions of financial and business performance and conditions and competitive and industry outlook. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from historical results and/or our forecast, including those set forth in Hippo's Form 10-Q and 10-K.

Charles Sebaski: Forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from historical results and/or our forecasts, including those set forth in Hippo's Form 10-Q and 10-K. For more information, please refer to the risks, uncertainties, and other factors discussed in Hippo's SEC filings, in particular in the section entitled Risk Factors in our Form 10-Q and 10-K. All cautionary statements are applicable to any forward-looking statements we make whenever they appear. You should carefully consider the risks, uncertainties, and other factors discussed in Hippo's SEC filings. Do not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements as Hippo is under no obligation and expressly disclaims any responsibility for updating, altering, or otherwise revising any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law.

Speaker #2: For more information, please refer to the Risks and Uncertainties and Other Factors discussed in Hippo's SEC filings in particular in the section entitled Risk Factors in our Form 10-Q and 10-K.

Speaker #2: All cautionary statements are applicable to any forward-looking statements we make whenever they appear. You should carefully consider the risks and uncertainties and other factors discussed in Hippo's SEC filings.

Speaker #2: Do not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, as Hippo is under no obligation and expressly disclaims any responsibility for updating, offering, or otherwise revising any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law.

Speaker #2: During this conference call, we will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted net income. Our GAAP results and description of our non-GAAP financial measures with full reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the second quarter 2026 earnings release which has been furnished to the SEC and is available on our website.

Charles Sebaski: During this conference call, we will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted net income. Our GAAP results and description of our non-GAAP financial measures with full reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the Q2 2026 earnings release, which has been furnished to the SEC and is available on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Rick McCathron, our President and CEO.

Speaker #2: And with that, I'll turn the call over to Rick McCathran, our president and CEO.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Chuck, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Hippo delivered another strong quarter, building on the momentum we started the year with.

Rick McCathron: Thank you, Chuck, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Hippo delivered another strong quarter, building on the momentum we started the year with. We grew top and bottom line together, making our fifth straight quarter of profitability on both a stated and adjusted basis. For the quarter, we generated $10 million of net income, a nearly eight-fold increase over last year, and $21 million of adjusted net income, a 24% increase over Q2 last year. Gross written premium came in at $482 million, up 61% over last year, led by the continued expansion of existing program partners in our casualty and CMP lines of business and a return to growth in our homeowners line. However, what stands out most isn't the growth itself, it's that we grew profitably.

Speaker #3: We grew top and bottom line together, making this our fifth straight quarter of profitability on both a stated and adjusted basis. For the quarter, we generated $10 million of net income—a nearly eightfold increase over last year—and $21 million of adjusted net income, a 24% increase over the second quarter last year.

Speaker #3: Gross written premium came in at $482 million, up 61% over last year, led by the continued expansion of existing program partners and our casualty and CMP lines of business.

Speaker #3: And a return to line. However, what stands out most isn't the growth itself; it's that we grew profitably. Our combined ratio improved 4 percentage points year over year to 95.8%, and we're at 97.5% year to date.

Rick McCathron: Our combined ratio improved 4 percentage points year over year to 95.8%, and we're at 97.5% year to date, a 31 percentage point improvement over H1 2025. That combination, growth and underwriting discipline moving in lockstep, is the story of the quarter. Let's walk through it in more detail. In homeowners, we wrote $107 million of premium, up 7% over last year. Growth continues to come from our Progressive and Westwood partnerships with admitted growth more than offsetting the pullback in ENS as the market becomes more competitive. Rate remains adequate with mid to high single-digit renewal rates this quarter, though we expect rate trend to moderate from here, but to keep pace with loss trends. We want this business to grow, but only where we believe there's a high likelihood of profitability. Commercial multi-peril had another strong quarter, up 65% over last year to $138 million.

Speaker #3: A 31 percentage point improvement over the first half of 2025. That combination, growth and underwriting discipline, moving in lock step, is the story of the quarter.

Speaker #3: Let's walk through it in more detail. In homeowners, we wrote $107 million of premium, up 7% over last year. Growth continues to come from our progressive and Westwood partnerships, with admitted growth more than offsetting the pullback in E&S as the market becomes more competitive.

Speaker #3: Rate remains adequate, with mid- to high-single-digit renewal rates this quarter, though we expect the rate trend to moderate from here but to keep pace with loss trends.

Speaker #3: We want this business to grow, but only where we believe there's a high likelihood of profitability. Commercial multi-peril had another strong quarter, up 65% over last year, to $138 million.

Speaker #3: Now following, casualty is our second-largest line on a gross basis, and second-largest on a net written basis behind homeowners. Retention increased to 37%, impacted by a reinsurance structure change; however, we expect retention to return to more historic levels in the low 20s for the year.

Rick McCathron: Now following casualty as our second largest line on a gross basis, and second largest on a net written basis behind homeowners. Retention increased to 37% impacted by a reinsurance structure change. However, we expect retention to return to more historic levels in the low twenties for the year. Casualty was our fastest-growing line again this quarter with gross written premium up sharply to $180 million. Now our largest line on a gross basis, though third on a net basis. That growth continues to be led by one of our longest-tenured partners, a program with a multi-decade track record, which is exactly the kind of program we want to drive growth, one we know well. As we said last quarter, we're starting to lean into higher retention in casualty, and this quarter's uptick reflects both a new excess program and a reinsurance change with an existing partner.

Speaker #3: Casualty was our fastest-growing line again this quarter, with gross written premium up sharply to $180 million, now our largest line on a gross basis, though third on a net basis.

Speaker #3: That growth continues to be led by one of our longest-tenured partners, a program with a multi-decade track record, which is exactly the kind of program we want to drive growth.

Speaker #3: One we know well. As we said last quarter, we're starting to lean into higher retention in casualty and this quarter's uptick reflects both a new excess program and a reinsurance change with an existing partner.

Speaker #3: We expect retention to settle back into the mid-teens from here. We achieved this growth in a competitive market because we believe we've built the program carrier of choice in the MGA space.

Rick McCathron: We expect retention to settle back into the mid-teens from here. We achieved this growth in a competitive market because we believe we've built the program carrier of choice in the MGA space. We now have more than 50 programs, double what we had in Q1 of last year, and most of that growth is coming from existing partners expanding with us, not just new logos. Our longest tenured partner has been with Hippo for over a decade. We keep investing in the platform, capacity, and technology to support that partner program growth, such as fully automated monthly data ingestion process, shortening the bordereau integration from new programs by 90%, and reflecting back real-time insights to programs.

Speaker #3: We now have more than 50 programs double what we had in the first quarter of last year, and most of that growth is coming from existing partners expanding with us, not just new logos.

Speaker #3: Our longest-tenured partner has been with Hippo for over a decade. We keep investing in the platform, capacity, and technology. To support that partner program growth, such as fully automated monthly data ingestion process, shortening the border row integration from new programs by 90%, and reflecting back real-time insights to programs.

Speaker #3: We have continuously been focused on improving our underwriting and over the last several years that has included over 200 rate filings and over a 100% aggregate rate increase to HHIP.

Rick McCathron: We have continuously been focused on improving our underwriting. Over the last several years, that has included over 200 rate filings and over a 100% aggregate rate increase to HHIP. To support our program underwriting, we now have two program managers overseeing every program and three on our fastest-growing casualty programs. All of this work shows up in our underwriting results. Core accident year x cat loss ratio came in at 45.8%, an improvement over last year and among our strongest quarter results in recent years, and nearly 17 points improvement from Q2 2024. This quarter, we evolved our reinsurance structure in ways we think are significant, both for our partners and for Hippo's own risk appetite, something we've been signaling to investors for some time. We renewed our cat bond on attractive terms and added wildfire as a named peril.

Speaker #3: To support our program underwriting, we now have two program managers overseeing every program and three on our fastest-growing casualty programs. All of this work shows up in our underwriting results.

Speaker #3: Core accident year XCAT loss ratio came in at 45.8%, and improvement over last year and among our strongest quarter results in recent years, and nearly 17 points improvement from Q2 2024.

Speaker #3: This quarter, we evolved our reinsurance structure in ways we think are significant both for our partners and for Hippo's own risk appetite—something we've been signaling to investors for some time.

Speaker #3: We renewed our cap bond on attractive terms and added wildfire as a named peril. More importantly, we moved to buying catastrophic reinsurance at the corporate group level rather than program-by-program, which lowered our PMLs by more than 30% across the return periods that matter most to earnings volatility.

Rick McCathron: More importantly, we moved to buying catastrophic reinsurance at the corporate group level rather than program by program, which lowered our PMLs by more than 30% across the return periods that matter most to earnings volatility. We also introduced our first whole account quota share across the portfolio, giving us more optionality as we build a track record managing risks at the enterprise level. Put simply, this reduces our volatility, improves our economics, and gives our partners more room to grow. Those goals reinforce each other. Scale and expense discipline are doing what we said it would. Our net expense ratio came in at 45.4%, down nearly 26 points from where we started 2024. As operating leverage continues to build, during that same period, our fixed expense ratio dropped by 39 points to 29%. AI continues to move from experiment to infrastructure across our business.

Speaker #3: We also introduced our first whole-account quoted share across the portfolio, giving us more optionality as we build a track record managing risks at the enterprise level.

Speaker #3: Put simply, this reduces our volatility, improves our economics, and gives our partners more room to grow. And those goals reinforce each other. Scale and expense discipline are doing what we said they would.

Speaker #3: Our net expense ratio came in at 45.4%, down nearly 26 points from where we started 2024. As operating leverage continues to build, during that same period, our fixed expense ratio dropped by 39 points to 29%.

Speaker #3: AI continues to move from experiment to infrastructure across our business, Hannah, our AI service agent, and Clara, our AI first notice of loss agent, are both live this quarter, and together they're a big part of why we can grow the top line without growing overhead at the same pace.

Rick McCathron: Hannah, our AI service agent, and Clara, our AI first notice of loss agent, are both live this quarter. Together, they're a big part of why we can grow the top line without growing overhead at the same pace. We've also rolled out Devin, Cognition's AI software engineer, across our tech organization, nearly a third of our roughly 500 employees. Tech is core to Hippo's value proposition, and this is about making our best people even better at building it. Our tech native roots also show up in how fast we move. Our full integration with Westwood and our accelerated launch with Progressive are both proof points, and we believe both have plenty of runway left. We'll keep investing here because we believe a unique and targeted distribution model is an opportunity to further differentiate our business.

Speaker #3: We've also rolled out Devin, Cognition's AI software engineer, across our tech organization, nearly a third of our roughly 500 employees. Tech is core to Hippo's value proposition, and this is about making our best people even better at building it.

Speaker #3: Our tech-native roots also show up in how fast we move. Our full integration with Westwood and our accelerated launch with Progressive are both proof points and we believe both have plenty of runway left.

Speaker #3: We'll keep investing here because we believe a unique and targeted distribution model is an opportunity to further differentiate our business. Given everything this quarter, I want to remind everybody what we told investors at last June's Investor Day.

Rick McCathron: Given everything this quarter, I want to remind everybody what we told investors at last June's Investor Day, that by 2028, we'd reach at least $2 billion of gross written premium, a 22% CAGR through organic growth, new programs, scaling our builder channel, and relaunching homeowners outside of builders. How are we doing against that? Over the last year, we've simultaneously added 14 new programs, completed our Westwood integration, now quoting more than 50 builders, and launched our Progressive partnership, accelerating homeowners' growth outside the builder channel. Additionally, this quarter, we significantly advanced our business partnerships, which now brings our expected 2027 premium above $2 billion, hitting our prior 2028 goal a year early. That's real progress against all four drivers we laid out. Given that momentum, we're raising the bar.

Speaker #3: That by 2028, we'd reach at least $2 billion of gross written premium. A 22% CAGR through organic growth, new programs, scaling our builder channel, and relaunching homeowners outside of builders.

Speaker #3: So how are we doing against that? Over the last year, we've simultaneously added 14 new programs completed our Westwood integration, now quoting more than $50 builders, and launched our Progressive partnership, accelerating homeowners' growth outside the builder channel.

Speaker #3: Additionally, this quarter, we significantly advanced our business partnerships which now brings our expected 2027 premium above $2 billion. Hitting our prior 2028 goal a year early.

Speaker #3: That's real progress against all four drivers we laid out. Given that momentum, we're raising the bar. Gross written premium to more than $2.5 billion, a 25% increase over our prior target, representing a 32% compounded annual growth rate.

Rick McCathron: Gross written premium to more than $2.5 billion, a 25% increase over our prior target, representing a 32% compounded annual growth rate, and adjusted net income of more than $140 million in 2028, doubling our current year 2026 guidance. I'm proud of this quarter and even more excited about where Hippo is heading. We're executing with discipline against our long-term goals, and the progress we're seeing gives me real confidence in what's ahead. I'll turn it over to our CFO, Guy Zeltser, to walk through the numbers in detail. We'll take your questions. Guy?

Speaker #3: And adjusted net income of more than $140 million in 2028, doubling our current year 2026 guidance. I'm proud of this quarter, and even more excited about where Hippo is heading.

Speaker #3: We're executing with discipline against our long-term goals, and the progress we're seeing gives me real confidence in what's ahead. Now, I'll turn it over to our CFO, Guy Zeltser, to walk through the numbers in detail, and then we'll take your questions.

Speaker #3: Guy?

Speaker #2: Thanks, Rick. And good morning, everyone. In the second quarter, we once again delivered strong top-line premium growth, improved underwriting, and increased profitability. Q2, gross written premium grew 61% year over year to $482 million, up from $299 million in Q2 of last year.

Guy Zeltser: Thanks, Rick. Good morning, everyone. In Q2, we once again delivered strong top-line premium growth, improved underwriting, and increased profitability. Q2 gross written premium grew 61% year over year to $482 million, up from $299 million in Q2 of last year. Growth in Q2 was achieved across all our lines of business, with especially strong performance in Casualty and Commercial multi-peril lines and more modest extension in renters and Homeowners. I will now highlight a few additional details of how diversified our gross written premium has become. Homeowners grew slightly to $107 million and accounted for 22% of the total gross written premium, down from 33% in Q2 of last year. Commercial multi-peril generated $138 million, accounted for 29% of total gross written premium, up from 28% last year. Casualty generated $180 million, representing 37% of total gross written premium, up from 22% last year.

Speaker #2: Growth in the second quarter was achieved across all our lines of business, with especially strong performance in casualty and commercial multi-peril lines, and more modest expansion in renters and homeowners.

Speaker #2: I will now highlight a few additional details of how diversified our gross written premium has become. Homeowners grew slightly to $107 million and accounted for 22% of total gross written premium, down from 33% in Q2 of last year.

Speaker #2: Commercial multi-peril generated $138 million accounted for 29% of total gross written premium, up from 28% last year. Casualty generated $180 million representing 37% of total gross written premium, up from 22% last year.

Guy Zeltser: Net written premium in Q2 grew 71% year over year to $183 million, slightly ahead of the extension of gross written premium, driven by a program-specific reinsurance change, accounted for $27 million of net written premium this quarter. Consequently, our retention rate in the quarter was 38% compared to 36% last year and is slightly ahead of our full year guide. In general, we view retention levels on a full year basis as timing of program renewal can lead to quarterly variances in that metric. From a niche perspective, Homeowners generated $76 million of net written premium in the quarter, representing 42% of total net written premium, down from 59% last year. Commercial multi-peril generated $51 million and accounted for 28% of total net written premium, up from 24% last year. The aforementioned program reinsurance change this quarter drove $21 million of net written premium in this line.

Speaker #2: Net written premium in Q2 grew 71% year over year to $183 million, slightly ahead of the expansion of gross written premium, driven by a program-specific reinsurance change that accounted for $27 million of net written premium this quarter.

Speaker #2: Consequently, our retention rate in the quarter was 38%, compared to 36% last year, and is slightly ahead of our full-year guide. In general, we view retention levels on a full-year basis, as timing of program renewal can lead to quarterly variances in that metric.

Speaker #2: From a niche perspective, homeowners generated $76 million of net written premium in the quarter, representing 42% of total net written premium, down from 59% last year.

Speaker #2: Commercial multi-peril generated $51 million and accounted for 28% of total net written premium, up from 24% last year. The aforementioned program reinsurance change this quarter drove $21 million of net written premium in this line.

Speaker #2: For the full year, we would expect retention levels to be in the low 20s. Casualty generated $35 million compared to roughly $2 million in Q2 of last year.

Guy Zeltser: For the full year, we would expect retention levels to be in the low 20s. Casualty generated $35 million compared to roughly $2 million in Q2 of last year. As we previously indicated, the increase in casualty retention was intentional and driven mostly by the long tenured program Rick mentioned earlier. However, the 20% retention rate this quarter was also bolstered by the aforementioned program reinsurance change. For the full year, we expect the casualty retention level to be in the mid-teens. Revenue in Q2 was $145 million, up 23% over Q2 of last year. We expect revenue year-over-year growth to accelerate in H2 of the year as the net written premium growth in the quarter is going to earn in. In Q2, our net combined ratio improved 4 percentage points to 95.8% compared to Q2 of last year.

Speaker #2: As we previously indicated, the increase in casualty retention was intentional and driven mostly by the long-tenured program Rick mentioned earlier. However, the 20% retention rate this quarter was also bolstered by the aforementioned program reinsurance change, so for the full year, we expect the casualty retention level to be in the mid-teens.

Speaker #2: Revenue in the second quarter was $145 million, up 23% over Q2 of last year. We expect revenue year-over-year growth to accelerate in the second half of the year, as the net written premium growth in the quarter is going to earn in.

Speaker #2: In Q2, our net combined ratio improved 4 percentage points to 95.8% compared to Q2 of last year. This was achieved by improvement in expense ratio and excellent year loss ratio slightly offset by a lower prior excellent year reserve benefit in Q2 versus Q2 of last year.

Guy Zeltser: This was achieved by improvement in expense ratio and accident year loss ratio, slightly offset by a lower prior accident year reserve benefit in Q2 versus Q2 of last year. Our Q2 net loss ratio increased 3 percentage points year-over-year to 50.4%. Accident year x CAT loss ratio improved to 45.8% from 46.4% last year, reflecting our continued focus on underwriting profitability. Generally, we view accident year x CAT loss ratios in the mid-40s as excellent results. CAT loss ratio improved 1 percentage point to 6.7%, as Q2 this year and last year both experienced relatively light CAT losses. Prior accident year reserve development was 2% in Q2, compared to roughly 7% in Q2 of last year. In Q2, net expense ratio improved 8 percentage points year-over-year to 45.4%.

Speaker #2: Our Q2 net loss ratio increased 3 percentage points year over year to 50.4%. Excellent year ex-cash loss ratio improved to 45.8% from 46.4% last year reflecting our continued focus on underwriting profitability.

Speaker #2: Generally, we view excellent year ex-cash loss ratios in the mid-40s as excellent results. Cap loss ratio improved 1 percentage points to 6.7% as Q2 this year and last year both experienced relatively light cap losses.

Speaker #2: Prior excellent year reserve development was 2% in the second quarter compared to roughly 7% in Q2 of last year. In Q2, net expense ratio improved 8 percentage points year over year to 45.4%.

Speaker #2: As Rick mentioned previously, we believe that our continued focus on operating leverage through AI enables us to grow our business while keeping fixed expense largely flat, which in turn has helped driving the expense ratio improvement.

Guy Zeltser: As Rick mentioned previously, we believe that our continued focus on operating leverage through AI enables us to grow our business while keeping fixed expense largely flat, which in turn has helped driving the expense ratio improvement. Q2 net income came in at $10 million, or $0.38 per diluted share, a $9 million improvement year-over-year. The year-over-year improvement was primarily due to the continued improvement of underwriting results and strong premium growth. Q2 adjusted net income grew 24% year-over-year to $21 million, or $0.79 per diluted share. Total Hippo stockholders' equity at the end of the quarter was up 4% to $466 million from $449 million last quarter, and up 40% from the $333 million at Q2 of last year.

Speaker #2: Q2 net income came in at $10 million or 38 cents per diluted share, a $9 million improvement year over year. The year over year improvement was primarily due to the continued improvement of underwriting results and strong premium growth.

Speaker #2: Q2 adjusted net income grew 24% year over year to $21 million or 79 cents per diluted share. Total Hippo stockholders' equity at the end of the quarter was up 4% to $466 million from $449 million at last quarter and up 40% from the $333 million at Q2 of last year.

Guy Zeltser: Total book value per share at the end of the quarter was up 2% to $17.65 per share from $17.23 per share last quarter, and up 36% from $13.02 per share at Q2 of last year. Following this quarter's results, we are raising our full year guidance. We're increasing gross written premium from a range of $1.45 and $1.525 billion to a range of $1.65 and $1.7 billion. We are increasing net written premium from a range of $520 and $550 million to a range of $565 and $580 million. We're increasing revenue from a range of $560 and $570 million to a range of $580 and $585 million. We are lowering our net combined ratio from a range of 103% and 105%, inclusive of a 13% CAT loss ratio, to a range of 99% and 101%, inclusive of a 10% CAT loss ratio.

Speaker #2: Total book value per share at the end of the quarter was up 2% to $17.65 per share. From $17.23 per share at last quarter and up 36% from $13.02 per share at Q2 of last year.

Speaker #2: Following this quarter's results, we are raising our full-year guidance. We're increasing gross return premium from a range of 1.45 and 1.525 billion dollars to a range of 1.65 and 1.7 billion dollars.

Speaker #2: We're increasing net return premium from a range of $520 million to $550 million, to a range of $565 million to $580 million. We're increasing revenue from a range of $560 million to $570 million, to a range of $580 million to $585 million.

Speaker #2: We are lowering our net combined ratio from a range of 103 and 105 percent inclusive of a 13% cap loss ratio to a range of 99 and 101 percent inclusive of a 10% cap loss ratio.

Speaker #2: And finally, we're increasing adjusted net income from a range of $48 million and $56 million to a range of $62 and $70 million while maintaining the expected impact from stock discompensation and depreciation and amortization to roughly $42 million.

Guy Zeltser: Finally, we're increasing adjusted net income from a range of $48 million and $56 million to a range of $62 million and $70 million, while maintaining the expected impact from stock-based compensation and depreciation and amortization to roughly $42 million. With that, operator, I would now like to open the floor to questions.

Speaker #2: And with that, operator, I would now like to open the floor to questions.

Speaker #1: We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand.

Operator 2: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Randy Binner with Texas Capital. Randy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Randy Binner with Texas Capital. Randy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #1: If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Randy Benner with Texas Capital.

Speaker #1: Randy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Hey, good morning. Hopefully, you're hearing me okay. I had a tough connection there, but I have a question about the business mix going forward.

Randy Binner: Hey, good morning. Hopefully you're hearing me okay. I had a tough connection there. I have a question about just the business mix going forward. It was a good result this quarter, but the casualty lines in particular were a lot of the premiums. Is this a function, you went through retention and growth opportunities and program, but should we think of Hippo as being more like a third or less homeowners longer term? I think a lot of people have thought of it as more of a home insurer. Obviously, you've had a lot of success with the programs, but just trying to understand, looking out in the future, what the business mix is of this kind of multi-line carrier.

Speaker #3: It was a good result this quarter. But the casualty lines in particular were for a lot of the premiums and so is this a function you went through retention and growth opportunities and program and but should we think of Hippo as being more like a third or less homeowners longer term?

Speaker #3: Just I think a lot of people have thought of it as more of a home insurer, obviously, that a lot of success with the programs, but just trying to understand, looking out in the future, what the business mix is of this kind of multi-line carrier.

Speaker #4: Good morning, Randy. This is Rick, and we can hear you loud and clear. I appreciate the question. I think the way everybody should really consider and think about Hippo is: it's our objective to build a very diversified portfolio that allows us to optimize mix based on market cycle and market segment.

Rick McCathron: Good morning, Randy. This is Rick, we can hear you loud and clear. Appreciate the question. I think the way everybody should really consider and think about Hippo is, it's our objective to build a very diversified portfolio that allows us to optimize mix based on a market cycle and market segment. For us, as an example, we talked about the ENS market is softer right now, so we can toggle that back while we're growing the admitted market. Homeowners business is looking favorable, so we're growing that with our Westwood and Progressive partnerships on the admitted basis line. For us to get to a fully diversified portfolio where we have a blended and balanced book, we want to make sure that our commercial multi-peril, our casualty lines, gets up to a point where it does create optimal balance for our homeowners line.

Speaker #4: So for us, as an example, we talked about the ENS market is softer right now, so we can toggle that back while we're growing the admitted market.

Speaker #4: Homeowners business is looking favorable, so we're growing that with our Westwood and Progressive partnerships. On the admitted basis, line. But for us to get to a fully diversified portfolio where we have a blended and balanced book, we want to make sure that our commercial multi-peril, our casualty lines gets up to a point where it does create optimal balance for our homeowners line.

Speaker #4: So we still emphasize the quality of Hippo's home insurance program. We continue to grow that program. We will continue to grow that program, but we want to make sure the portfolio stays in balance over time so the more we grow homeowners, the more we're going to want to grow casualty to create that balance that I mentioned before.

Rick McCathron: We still emphasize the quality of Hippo's Home Insurance Program. We continue to grow that program. We will continue to grow that program, we want to make sure the portfolio stays in balance over time. The more we grow homeowners, the more we're going to want to grow casualty to create that balance that I mentioned before. From an optimal mix perspective, it is very important for us to make sure that we are driving against favorable trends and favorable product lines and favorable market cycles, and again, toggling back when the market cycle might be distressed.

Speaker #4: So from an optimal mix perspective, it's very important for us to make sure that we are driving against favorable trends and favorable product lines and favorable market cycles and, again, toggling back when the market cycle might be distressed.

Speaker #3: Okay, understood. And then just a couple of quick follow-ups. When you—the ENS referenced the market being softer—that is in homeowners? You're seeing softer ENS?

Randy Binner: Okay, understood. Just a couple quick follow-ups. When the ENS reference, the market being softer, that is in homeowners you are seeing softer ENS?

Speaker #4: Correct. Yes, correct. Yes.

Rick McCathron: Correct. Yes, correct.

Randy Binner: Okay.

Rick McCathron: Yes.

Speaker #3: And that makes sense. And then I guess just for the casualty lines growth, I think a common reaction is that that's kind of growing in a softer area of the market, but of course, you have a lot of control through your program.

Randy Binner: That makes sense. I guess just for the casualty lines growth, I think a common reaction is that that is kind of growing in a softer area of the market, of course, you have a lot of control through your program. Just maybe just a little more granularity on kind of the partnerships, the market opportunity in writing those programs and kind of seeing outsized casualty growth and which broadly is seen as a softer casualty market.

Speaker #3: So just maybe just a little more granularity on kind of the partnerships, the market opportunity, and writing those programs and kind of seeing outsized casualty growth and which broadly is seen as a softer casualty market.

Speaker #4: Yes, Randy. Happy to talk about that. I think one thing that is really important to recognize is most of our casualty growth is concentrated in existing known long-tenured programs to us.

Rick McCathron: Yes, Randy, happy to talk about that. I think one thing that is really important to recognize is most of our casualty growth is concentrated in existing known long-tenured programs to us. This is not us going out and chasing new opportunities, chasing rate, chasing growth. If you look at CMP as an example, we tie that back to we are fast becoming the program carrier of choice. We have 50 programs in that space. We know these programs well. These programs are growing with us. We reviewed, in the last 12 to 18 months, approximately 200 programs and selected a relatively small percentage of those as somebody that we want to partner with on a go-forward basis.

Speaker #4: This is not us going out and chasing new opportunities chasing rate, chasing growth. If you look at CMP as an example, we tie that back to we are fast becoming the program carrier of choice.

Speaker #4: We have 50 programs in that space. We know these programs well. These programs are growing with us. We reviewed in the last 12 to 18 months approximately 200 programs and selected a relatively small percentage of those as somebody that we want to partner with on a go-forward basis.

Speaker #4: So from our perspective, it comes through a combination of organic growth with existing long-tenured partners and lack of a better term, cherry-picking new programs that we believe are very well operated and ones that, again, help us get to that diversified ballast that I was talking about.

Rick McCathron: From our perspective, it comes through a combination of organic growth with existing long-tenured partners and, lack of a better term, cherry-picking new programs that we believe are very well operated and ones that, again, help us get to that diversified balance that I was talking about.

Randy Binner: All right. Thanks for the responses. Appreciate it.

Speaker #3: All right. Thanks for the responses. Appreciate it.

Speaker #4: Thanks, Randy.

Rick McCathron: Thanks, Randy.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoint with KBW. Tommy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoynt with KBW. Tommy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoynt with KBW. Tommy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. To start off, can you talk a little more about the partnership with Accelerant that you announced in June?

Tommy McJoynt: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. To start off, can you talk a little more about the partnership with Accelerant that you announced in June? I guess the important question that we want to ask is thinking about premiums that are coming through that channel with Accelerant, and the economics or the bottom line impact of those premiums. How do they compare with non-Accelerant revenues that are coming through? Just want to understand the difference as we think about modeling those premiums. Thanks.

Speaker #5: I guess the important question that we want to ask is, thinking about premiums that are coming through that channel with Accelerant, and the economics or the bottom-line impact of those premiums—how do they compare with non-Accelerant revenues that are coming through?

Speaker #5: I just want to understand the difference as we think about modeling those premiums. Thanks.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Tommy, this is Rick. Happy to start and then Guy can jump in with any other detailed questions. I think first and foremost, the way we view the Accelerant program is a way for us to grow the premium with a partner that has access to a large number of MGA programs.

Rick McCathron: Yeah, Tommy, this is Rick. Happy to start. Guy can jump in with any other detailed questions. I think first and foremost, the way we view the Accelerant program is a way for us to grow the premium with a partner that has access to a large number of MGA programs. I think we've published that we believe and expect this to be in excess of $500 million next year. I also think there's more opportunity in that particular space. We do generally look at each program in great detail before we agree to be the carrier to support Accelerant with that particular program. Again, I'd really like to emphasize today, our growth comes with thoughtful quality, not just growth at all costs. Accelerant gives us an opportunity to look at those programs, take those programs on, and continue to grow it.

Speaker #4: I think we've published that we believe and expect this to be in excess of $500 million next year. But I also think there's more opportunity in that particular space.

Speaker #4: But we do generally look at each program in great detail before we agree to be the carrier to support Accelerant with that particular program.

Speaker #4: So again, I'd really like to emphasize today that our growth comes with thoughtful quality—not just growth at all costs. Accelerant gives us an opportunity to look at those programs, take those programs on, and then continue to grow them.

Speaker #4: We, of course, have our own sourcing of business in the program space outside of Accelerant. And in those, we generally look for things as I mentioned before, with Randy's question, operators that are very have a long track record, high quality, ones that have been in business for quite some time or at least have the expertise in the particular product line space.

Rick McCathron: We of course, have our own sourcing of business in the program space outside of Accelerant. In those, we generally look for things, as I mentioned before with Randy's question, operators that have a long track record, high quality, ones that have been in business for quite some time or at least have the expertise in the particular product line space. We also go out and hire internally to Hippo experts in both underwriting and claims handling in that particular segment. We are an additional backstop or an additional vet on the quality of business that comes in, both on a per risk basis, on a claims handling basis, and in the aggregate. This is the way we look at Accelerant for the most part. I think Accelerant continues to grow, therefore they need lots of capacity.

Speaker #4: And then we also go out and hire internally to Hippo experts in both underwriting and claims handling in that particular segment. So we are an additional backstop or an additional vet on the quality of business that comes in, both on a per-risk basis, on a claims handling basis, and in the aggregate.

Rick McCathron: We are an additional backstop or an additional vet on the quality of business that comes in, both on a per risk basis, on a claims handling basis, and in the aggregate. This is the way we look at Accelerant for the most part. I think Accelerant continues to grow, therefore they need lots of capacity. We're proud to be one of their capacity providers. It allows us to get views of programs that maybe we normally would not have been able to take a look at.

Speaker #4: So, this is the way we look at Accelerant for the most part. I think Accelerant continues to grow, and therefore, they need lots of capacity.

Speaker #4: We're proud to be one of their capacity providers. And it allows us to get views of programs that maybe we normally would not have been able to take a look at.

Rick McCathron: We're proud to be one of their capacity providers. It allows us to get views of programs that maybe we normally would not have been able to take a look at.

Guy Zeltser: Tommy, this is Guy. Just wanted to also comment on the economics. This is a fairly standard transaction. When you model the business going forward in the commission income side specifically, it's very standard to other deals that we're doing. It should be viewed as a scale-up in line with the growth with ceded earned premium.

Speaker #2: And Tommy, this is Guy just wanted to also comment on the economics. This is fairly standard transaction. So when you model the business going forward and the commission income side specifically, it's a very standard to other deals that we're doing.

Speaker #2: So it should be viewed as a scale-up in line with gross and we see the earned premium.

Speaker #5: Okay, got it. That all makes sense. And then switching over, a question on the property books across homeowners and the commercial side as well.

Tommy McJoynt: Okay. Got it. No, it makes sense. Then switching over, a question on the property books across homeowners and the commercial side as well. We hear from a lot of competitors that competition in the space is intensifying. You are seeing some rate deceleration there. Some of that frankly, reflects the lower cost of reinsurance, and you guys reported that as well. If you just talk about the competitive environment and where you see margins heading in the various property books of business that you have.

Speaker #5: We hear from a lot of competitors that competition in the space is intensifying. You are seeing some rate deceleration there. And some of that, frankly, reflects the lower cost of reinsurance.

Speaker #5: And you guys reported that as well. So, if you could just talk about the competitive environment and where you see margins heading in the various property books of business that you have.

Speaker #4: Yeah, I think this is one of the Tommy, I think this is one of the real benefits of our platform because we do write across multiple product lines and multiple barrels.

Rick McCathron: Yeah. Tommy, I think this is one of the real benefits of our platform because we do write across multiple product lines and multiple perils. We're not in the business of chasing risk and chasing growth in a softening market. I agree with your sentiment that the homeowners market is absolutely softening right now, which is one of the reasons why you're seeing an uptick on the commercial and casualty sides of our business. We do believe we have so much room to grow in the property space, both in our own homeowners program and some of the MGAs that we support, that we think that our growth won't slow into the soft market, again, because we're relatively small compared to the industry in that particular space.

Speaker #4: We're not in the business of chasing risk and chasing growth in a softening market. I agree with your sentiment that the homeowners' market is absolutely softening right now, which is one of the reasons why you're seeing an uptick on the commercial and casualty sides of our business.

Speaker #4: But we do believe we have so much room to grow in the property space, both in our own homeowners program and some of the MGAs that we support, that we think that our growth won't slow into the soft market.

Speaker #4: Again, because we're relatively small compared to the industry in that particular space. However, what we will commit to is that if we find ourselves in a position where we do not believe that growth in any particular product line will be accretive to our bottom line and to our combined ratio, we won't grow in that space.

Rick McCathron: However, what we will commit to is that if we find ourselves in a position where we do not believe that growth in any particular product line will be accretive to our bottom line and to our combined ratio, we won't grow in that space. That's, again, the force of what we've built here is those levers for us to pull across cycle, across product line, and across programs in both owned and non-owned business.

Speaker #4: And so that's, again, the force of what we've built here is those levers for us to pull across cycle, across product line, and across programs and both owned and non-owned business.

Speaker #2: Tommy, this is Guy again. Just wanted to also add two points on top of what Rick just mentioned. So, on the homeowner side, one of the reasons why we love the partnership with Progressive is that it gives us access to a lot of lead generation, a lot of flow.

Guy Zeltser: Tommy, this is Guy again. Just wanted to also add two points on top of what Rick just mentioned. On the homeowner side, one of the reasons why we love the partnership with Progressive is that it gives us access to a lot of lead generation, a lot of flow. We're right now live with Progressive at eight states, but we do plan to triple the state footprint by the end of this year. That is giving us even more volume. The influx of volume allows us to still be very disciplined, and only buying businesses we feel very good about from a profitability perspective. The second thing, you also asked about property within the CMP line. We also see the same trend.

Speaker #2: We're right now live with Progressive at eight states, but we do plan to triple the state footprint by the end of the end of this year.

Speaker #2: And that is giving us even more volume. And the impacts of volume allows us to allows us to still be very, very disciplined. And only buying businesses will feel very good about from a profitability perspective.

Speaker #2: And the second thing, you also asked about property within the CMP line. We also see the same trend. So even though the CMP is growing, we do see with commercial property specifically, some softening, which is why we're pulling back.

Guy Zeltser: Even though the CMP is growing, we do see with commercial property specifically, some softening, which is why we're pulling back, which is why the growth that you are seeing is actually coming from other lines. It's the same thing as Rick has mentioned, where we are seeing softness, we have no problem of pulling back. The most important thing, again, is to be disciplined across each and every line.

Speaker #2: Which is why the growth that you were seeing is actually coming from other lines. So it's the same thing that Rick has mentioned, where we are seeing softness.

Speaker #2: We have no problem of pulling back. And the most important thing, again, is to be disciplined across each and every line.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Tommy, one thing I'll add to what Guy had just mentioned is the growth that we are experiencing in Progressive, we only expose a rate to Progressive customers for particular business that we want to write, both from a geographical basis, but also from an inherent underlining per policy basis.

Rick McCathron: Yeah, Tommy, one thing I'll add to what Guy had just mentioned is the growth that we are experiencing in Progressive, we only expose a rate to Progressive customers for a particular business that we want to write, both from a geographical basis, but also from an inherent underlying per policy basis. We do not expose a price or a Hippo quote on any customer of Progressive's that doesn't fit into our desired footprint and our desired underwriting box.

Speaker #4: So we do not expose a price or a Hippo quote on any customer of Progressive's that doesn't fit into our desired footprint and our desired underwriting box.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Tommy McJoynt: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Thanks, Tommy.

Rick McCathron: Thanks, Tommy.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Anderson with Jefferies. Andrew, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Operator 2: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Andersen with Jefferies. Andrew, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Andersen with Jefferies. Andrew, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Yeah, hey, good morning. This is Sid on for Andrew. I'm curious if you could expand on why right now was the why now was the right time to add the whole account quota share and what economics made the transaction attractive.

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Yeah. Hey, good morning. This is Sid on for Andrew. Curious if you could expand on why now is the right time to add the whole account quota share, and what economics made the transaction attractive. Then I know you touched on casualty and CMP, but should we expect any change in the retention in homeowners moving forward?

Speaker #5: And then I know you touched on casualty and CMP, but should we expect any change in the retention and homeowners moving forward?

Speaker #4: Hi, Sid. This is Rick. Thanks for the question. I'll go ahead and start The whole account quota share is more of a capability, the amount of our risk seated in our whole account quota share is very, very small.

Rick McCathron: Hi, Sid. This is Rick. Thanks for the question. I'll go ahead and start with this one. The whole account quota share is more of a capability. The amount of our risk ceded in our whole account quota share is very small. What it does is it creates a capability that as we continue to grow over time, again, another lever for us to pull to put more risk to third-party reinsurers if we feel like it's the best way to stick within our risk tolerance framework. For us, it's more of a capability. I don't think it meaningfully impacts the economics of the business, certainly not at this size of business that we're placing through it, but it's a capability that we thought it was important for us to have as we experience continued growth throughout. Sid, remind me, what was your second question?

Speaker #4: But what it does is, it creates a capability that, as we continue to grow over time, is, again, another lever for us to pull to put more risk to third-party reinsurers if we feel like it's the best way to stick within our risk tolerance framework.

Speaker #4: And so for us, it's more of a capability. I don't think it meaningfully impacts the economics of the business, certainly not at this size of business that we're placing through was important for us to have.

Speaker #4: As we experience continued growth throughout. Sid, remind me, what was your second question?

Speaker #5: Yeah, just curious if I know you guys had touched on casualty and CMP retention, but if we should expect any changes in the homeowners retention moving forward.

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Yeah, just curious if, I know you guys had touched on casualty and CMP retention, but if we should expect any changes in the homeowners' retention moving forward.

Speaker #4: Yeah, that's right. Thank you, Sid. First of all, for the Hippo Home Insurance Program, from an attritional loss perspective and even at the lower levels of CAT, we for all intents and purposes maintain near 100% of that risk.

Rick McCathron: Yeah, that's right. Thank you, Sid. First of all, for the Hippo Home Insurance Program, from an attritional loss perspective, and even at the lower levels of CAT, we, for all intents and purposes, maintain near 100% of that risk. There's really nowhere to go up with that because we're already taking most of it. For our program partners in the property space, we do participate in a sizable amount of risk. It ranges between 20% with some partner programs and up to 40% with others. We think our risk acceptance and our retention for property is right where we want it to be, so we would not expect it to increase in the foreseeable future.

Speaker #4: So there's really nowhere to go up with that because we're already taking most of it. For our program partners in the property space, we do participate in a sizable amount of risk.

Speaker #4: It ranges between 20% with some partner programs and up to 40% with others. We think our risk acceptance and our retention for property is right where we want it to be.

Speaker #4: So we would not expect it to increase. In the foreseeable future.

Guy Zeltser: Yes, Sid. This is Guy here. The only thing I would add is from a, if you just look at the homeowners line, you can tell that we or you can see that we have provided the mix between the admitted and non-admitted. As Rick mentioned, because we are retaining more on the admitted side, and that's the piece that is growing faster, you should expect a bit of an uptick in the overall retention of that line. I would say not significantly above what you're seeing right now. For every intents and purpose, I think you can triangulate the almost 100% retention on the attritional side, on the admitted side of the business, and then the rest will just be a plug number.

Speaker #2: Yeah, Sid, this is Guy here. The only thing I would add is from a if you just look at the homeowners line, you can tell that we you can see that we have provided the mix between the admitted and non-admitted.

Speaker #2: And as Rick mentioned, because we are retaining more on the admitted side, and that's the piece that is growing faster, you should expect a bit of an uptick in the overall retention of that line.

Speaker #2: But not, I would say, not significantly above what you're seeing right now. But for every intent and purpose, I think you can triangulate the almost 100% retention on the attritional side—on the admitted side of the business.

Speaker #2: And then the rest will just be a plug number.

Speaker #5: Okay, thanks for that. And then just as a follow-up, I'm curious to hear if you're seeing any competitive changes on fronting fees or economics as more capital enters the MGA and fronting markets, or maybe you're seeing the opposite occur.

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Okay, thanks for that. Just as a follow-up, I am curious to hear if you are seeing any competitive changes on fronting fees or economics as more capital enters the MGA and fronting markets, or maybe you are seeing the opposite occur.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Sid, it's a really good question. I think for the most part, we are not seeing changes in that because despite what I think a lot of people believe, the fronting business is not a commodity business.

Rick McCathron: Yeah, Sid, it is a really good question. I think for the most part, we are not seeing changes in that. Despite what I think a lot of people believe, the fronting business is not a commodity business, and I think you are seeing that by the amount of deals that we are winning. We are not winning based on decreasing fronting fees or economics back to the MGA. We are winning on more capabilities we can provide to the MGA, both in the form of services, in the form of data insights, the ability to share some of the technologies that we have been building from an AI perspective. When programs are coming to a fronting carrier, they generally fall into one of two buckets. The bucket where the program will take any carrier at the lowest price or the lowest ceding commission. We do not play in that game.

Speaker #4: And I think you're seeing that by the amount of deals that we are winning. We are not winning based on decreasing fronting fees or economics back to the MGA.

Speaker #4: We are winning on more capabilities we can provide to the MGA, both in the form of services, in the form of data insights, and the ability to share some of the technologies that we've been building from an AI perspective.

Speaker #4: So when programs are coming to a fronting carrier, they generally fall into one of two buckets. The bucket where the program will take any carrier at the lowest price or the lowest seed commission.

Rick McCathron: When programs are coming to a fronting carrier, they generally fall into one of two buckets. The bucket where the program will take any carrier at the lowest price or the lowest ceding commission. We do not play in that game. The other bucket is those that say, We want a long-term partner that has enough capital to support our growth, can retain risk, can provide other valuable services and capabilities far beyond just access to the balance sheet and to the rating. I will also reinforce, we had a size increase last quarter, so now we are able at our AM Best A- nine, we are able to really participate in even more opportunities than we were previously.

Speaker #4: We don't play in that game. The other bucket is those that say, we want a long-term partner that has enough capital to support our growth, can retain risk, can provide other valuable services and capabilities far beyond just access to the balance sheet and to the rating.

Rick McCathron: The other bucket is those that say, We want a long-term partner that has enough capital to support our growth, can retain risk, can provide other valuable services and capabilities far beyond just access to the balance sheet and to the rating. I will also reinforce, we had a size increase last quarter, so now we are able at our AM Best A- nine, we are able to really participate in even more opportunities than we were previously.

Speaker #4: I'll also reinforce that we had a size increase last quarter. So now, with our AM Best A- (9), we're able to really participate in even more opportunities than we were previously.

Speaker #5: Okay, thank you.

[Analyst] (Jefferies): Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #1: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. Your next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino with B.

Operator 2: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. Your next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities. Timothy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Operator: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. Your next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities. Timothy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: Riley Securities. Timothy, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: Hi, good morning. Thanks, Rick, for taking all the questions. Just one question on my end. On the 2028 growth targets on slide 14, it seems you emphasize potential new lines.

Timothy D'Agostino: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking all the questions. Just one question on my end. On the 2028 growth targets on slide 14, I see where you emphasize potential new lines. I was just kind of wondering, for Hippo entering new lines, is that really a 2028 idea, or could we see that in 2027? Could you just kind of remind us of the game plan when entering those new lines? Thank you.

Speaker #3: I was just kind of just wondering, for Hippo entering new lines, is that really a 2028 idea, or could we see that in 2027?

Speaker #3: And then, could you just kind of remind us of the game plan when entering those new lines? Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah, Tim, this is Rick. I'm assuming your question is around Hippo entering new lines on a manufactured basis, so products we manufacture. As opposed to products that we front for.

Rick McCathron: Yeah, Tim, this is Rick. I'm assuming your question is around Hippo entering new lines on a manufactured basis, so products we manufacture as opposed to products that we front for. I'll answer both questions. First of all, for products that we manufacture, I would expect us to enter into either new lines or new flavors of lines before the 2028 target. By flavors, I mean new things that we might be doing within the personal homeowners or property space, and other things that might be tangential to that particular space. We're not ready at this point to share what those are, but I think in future quarters, prior to 2028, we'll be able to share a lot more in detail. We do want to grow the owned premium side and the owned product side.

Speaker #4: So I'll answer both questions. First of all, for products that we manufacture, I would expect us to enter into either new lines or new flavors of lines before the 2028 target.

Speaker #4: By flavors, I mean new things that we might be doing within the personal homeowners or property space. And other things that might be tangential to that particular space.

Speaker #4: So we're not ready at this point to share what those are, but I think in future quarters, prior to 2028, we'll be able to share a lot more in detail.

Speaker #4: But we do want to grow the owned premium side and the owned product side. On the fronting business, we will enter new lines if we believe those lines are diversifying to the business that we already have.

Rick McCathron: On the fronting business, we will enter new lines if we believe those lines are diversifying to the business that we already have. Just as a reminder, Hippo has lots of different carriers within its Spinnaker Insurance group, both admitted and non-admitted. We have lots of certificates of authority, not just property and casualty, but also with accident health. There are opportunities that come to us every day, and we go through a fairly detailed analysis of every opportunity to determine, is this accretive to that diversification goal, and will that individual program positively impact the bottom line of the business? Although I can't give you specifics of what those might be at this point, I can tell you that we are looking at other opportunities that meet those strategic goals of ours.

Speaker #4: Just as a reminder, Hippo has lots of different carriers within its spinnaker insurance group, both admitted and non-admitted. We have lots of certificates of authority.

Speaker #4: Not just property and casualty, but also with accident and health. There are opportunities that come to us every day, and we go through a fairly detailed analysis of every opportunity to determine is this accretive to that diversification goal, and will that individual program positively impact the bottom line of the business?

Speaker #4: So although I can't give you specifics of what those might be at this point, I can tell you that we are looking at other opportunities that meet those strategic goals of ours.

Speaker #3: Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Timothy D'Agostino: Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Speaker #4: Thanks, Tim.

Rick McCathron: Thanks, Tim.

Speaker #1: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

Operator 2: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

Operator: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

Speaker #4: Well, I appreciate all of you joining us this morning. We're excited about the quarter that we've had and even more so about the future.

Rick McCathron: Well, I appreciate all of you joining us this morning. We're excited about the quarter that we've had, and even more so about the future. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you, everyone.

Speaker #4: So we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you, everyone.

Speaker #1: This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.

Operator 2: This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect. This event has now concluded. Thank you for joining Hippo Q2 2026.

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