Q2 2026 Sylvamo Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Good morning. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sylvamo's second quarter 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.
Operator: Good morning. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sylvamo's Q2 2026 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, you will have an opportunity to ask questions. If you would like to ask a question, press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw a question, press star one again. As a reminder, your conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Hans Bjorkman, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.
Operator: Good morning. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sylvamo's Q2 2026 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, you will have an opportunity to ask questions. If you would like to ask a question, press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw a question, press star one again. As a reminder, your conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Hans Bjorkman, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.
Speaker #2: After the speakers' remarks, you will have an opportunity to ask questions. If you would like to ask questions, press star 1 to raise your hand.
Speaker #2: To withdraw a question, press star 1 again. As a reminder, your conference is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the call over to Hans Bjorkman, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Speaker #2: Sir, the floor is yours.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Lucas. Good morning. And thank you for joining our call. Our speakers this morning are John Sims, Chief Executive Officer, and Don Devlin, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Hans Bjorkman: Thank you, Lucas. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call. Our speakers this morning are John Sims, Chief Executive Officer, and Don Devlin, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Slides two and three contain important information, including certain legal disclaimers. For example, during this call, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. We will also present certain non-U.S. GAAP financial information. Reconciliations of those figures to U.S. GAAP financial measures are available in the appendix. Our website also contains copies of the earnings release, as well as today's presentation. With that, I would like to turn the call over to John.
Hans Bjorkman: Thank you, Lucas. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call. Our speakers this morning are John Sims, Chief Executive Officer, and Don Devlin, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Slides two and three contain important information, including certain legal disclaimers. For example, during this call, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. We will also present certain non-US GAAP financial information. Reconciliations of those figures to US GAAP financial measures are available in the appendix. Our website also contains copies of the earnings release, as well as today's presentation. With that, I would like to turn the call over to John.
Speaker #3: Slides 2 and 3 contain important information, including certain legal disclaimers. For example, during this call, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainty.
Speaker #3: We will also present certain non-US GAAP financial information. Reconciliations of those figures to US GAAP financial measures are available in the appendix. Our website also contains copies of the earnings release as well as today's presentation.
Speaker #3: With that, I'd like to turn the call over to John.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Hans, and good morning, everyone. I'm glad that you're on the call, and so you know I'm on slide 4 is where I'm starting our second quarter highlights, including continuing to implement the previously communicated uncoded freesheet price increases to our customers across all our regions.
John Sims: Thank you, Hans. Good morning, everyone. I am glad that you are on the call, so you know, I am on slide four. That is where I am starting. Our Q2 highlights include continuing to implement the previously communicated uncoated freesheet price increases to our customers across all our regions. We also advanced our lean transformation journey to embed continuous improvement into how we run the business, so performance improvement becomes employee-driven, systematic, and self-sustaining. We kicked off our lean efforts in our Latin America business and have value stream mapping underway at our Mogi Guaçu and Três Lagoas mills to identify waste and unlock cost savings across end-to-end processes. In North America, we introduced lean at our Ticonderoga, New York mill, and our cut-size sheet plant in Sumter, South Carolina, and across corporate functions.
John Sims: Thank you, Hans. Good morning, everyone. I am glad that you are on the call, so you know, I am on slide four. That is where I am starting. Our Q2 highlights include continuing to implement the previously communicated uncoated freesheet price increases to our customers across all our regions. We also advanced our lean transformation journey to embed continuous improvement into how we run the business, so performance improvement becomes employee-driven, systematic, and self-sustaining. We kicked off our lean efforts in our Latin America business and have value stream mapping underway at our Mogi Guaçu and Três Lagoas mills to identify waste and unlock cost savings across end-to-end processes. In North America, we introduced lean at our Ticonderoga Mill, New York mill, and our cut-size sheet plant in Sumter, South Carolina, and across corporate functions.
Speaker #4: We also advanced our lean transformation journey to embed continuous improvement into how we run the business so performance improvement becomes employee-driven systematic and self-sustaining.
Speaker #4: We kicked off our lean efforts in our Latin America business and have value stream mapping underway at our Moji Guasu and Trace Lagos Mills to identify waste and unlock cost savings across end-to-end processes.
Speaker #4: At North America, we introduced lean at our Ticonderoga New York Mill and our customized sheet plant in Sumter, South Carolina. And across corporate functions, lastly, we continue to make very good progress on our strategic investments at our East River Mill, which we will discuss in more detail later on this call.
John Sims: Lastly, we continue to make very good progress on our strategic investments at our Eastover mill, which we will discuss in more detail later on this call. Let's move to the next slide. Slide five shows our Q2 key financial metrics. 2026 is a transition year as we work through the termination of Riverdale supply agreement and the extended outage at Eastover. Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled sequentially to $60 million, with a margin of 7%. Adjusted operating earnings were $0.03 per share. Free cash flow was -$23 million, a $36 million improvement sequentially. As in prior years, the majority of our free cash flow will be generated in the H2 of this year. Now I'll turn it over to Don to review our performance in more detail. Don?
John Sims: Lastly, we continue to make very good progress on our strategic investments at our Eastover mill, which we will discuss in more detail later on this call. Let's move to the next slide. Slide five shows our Q2 key financial metrics. 2026 is a transition year as we work through the termination of Riverdale supply agreement and the extended outage at Eastover. Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled sequentially to $60 million, with a margin of 7%. Adjusted operating earnings were $0.03 per share. Free cash flow was -$23 million, a $36 million improvement sequentially. As in prior years, the majority of our free cash flow will be generated in the H2 of this year. Now I'll turn it over to Don to review our performance in more detail. Don?
Speaker #4: Let's move to the next slide. Slide 5 shows our second quarter key financial metrics. 2026 is a transition year as we've worked through the termination of Riverdale Supply Agreement and the extended outage at East River.
Speaker #4: Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled sequentially to $60 million, with a margin of 7%. Adjusted operating earnings were $0.03 per share. Free cash flow was negative $23 million, a $36 million improvement sequentially.
Speaker #4: And as in prior years, the majority of our free cash flow will be generated in the second half of this year. Now, I'll turn it over to Don to review our performance in more detail, Don.
Speaker #5: Thank you, John. And good morning, everyone. Slide 6 contains our second quarter earnings bridge versus the first quarter. In the second quarter, we earned $60 million of adjusted EBITDA compared to $29 million in the prior quarter.
Don Devlin: Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Slide six contains our Q2 earnings bridge versus the Q1. In the Q2, we earned $60 million of Adjusted EBITDA compared to $29 million in the prior quarter. Price and mix were favorable by $32 million, reflecting the implementation of paper price increases in all regions. Better mix in the Americas, as well as the implementation of pulp price increases in Europe. Volume increased by $3 million, driven by seasonally stronger demand in Latin America. Operations and costs were favorable by $22 million, largely driven by green energy credits in Europe and lower overhead. Planned maintenance outage costs were unfavorable by $24 million due to scheduled outages in all regions. Input and transportation costs were unfavorable by $2 million as energy costs were stable while purchased wood in Latin America and transportation costs in North America were higher.
Don Devlin: Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Slide six contains our Q2 earnings bridge versus the Q1. In the Q2, we earned $60 million of Adjusted EBITDA compared to $29 million in the prior quarter. Price and mix were favorable by $32 million, reflecting the implementation of paper price increases in all regions. Better mix in the Americas, as well as the implementation of pulp price increases in Europe. Volume increased by $3 million, driven by seasonally stronger demand in Latin America. Operations and costs were favorable by $22 million, largely driven by green energy credits in Europe and lower overhead.
Speaker #5: Price and mix were favorable by $32 million, reflecting the implementation of paper price increases in all regions. There was also a better mix in the Americas, as well as the implementation of price increases in Europe.
Speaker #5: Hope price increases in Europe. Volume increased by 3 million, driven by seasonally stronger demand in Latin America. Operations and costs were favorable by $22 million, largely driven by green energy credits in Europe and lower overhead.
Speaker #5: Planned maintenance outage costs were unfavorable by $24 million, due to scheduled outages in all regions. Input and transportation costs were unfavorable by 2 million as energy costs were stable while purchased wood in Latin America and transportation costs in North America were higher.
Don Devlin: Planned maintenance outage costs were unfavorable by $24 million due to scheduled outages in all regions. Input and transportation costs were unfavorable by $2 million as energy costs were stable while purchased wood in Latin America and transportation costs in North America were higher. These were partially offset by the non-repeat of a one-time charge of $10 million from International Paper's Riverdale mill due to high natural gas costs in the Q1. Let's move to Slide seven to walk through the industry conditions. European industry supply and demand remains challenging. Pulp prices improved throughout the H1 and now seem stable.
Speaker #5: These were partially offset by the non-repeat of a one-time charge of 10 million from International Papers Riverdale Mill due to high natural gas cost in the first quarter.
Don Devlin: These were partially offset by the non-repeat of a one-time charge of $10 million from International Paper's Riverdale mill due to high natural gas costs in the Q1. Let's move to Slide seven to walk through the industry conditions. European industry supply and demand remains challenging. Pulp prices improved throughout the H1 and now seem stable. We continue realizing paper price increases, and we communicated another paper price increase effective mid-June as costs continue to increase and margins are at unacceptable levels. We expect the realization to occur through the Q3. In Latin America, we expect seasonally higher demand through the H2. This should positively impact our volume and geographic mix. We continue realizing paper price increases to our export customers across other Latin American countries, as well as the Middle East and Africa region, and should continue to see additional realization through the Q3.
Speaker #5: Let's move to slide 7 to walk through the industry conditions. European industry supply and demand remains challenging. Hope prices improved throughout the first half and now seem stable.
Speaker #5: We continue realizing paper price increases, and we communicated another paper price increase effective mid-June, as costs continue to increase and margins are at unacceptable levels.
Don Devlin: We continue realizing paper price increases, and we communicated another paper price increase effective mid-June as costs continue to increase and margins are at unacceptable levels. We expect the realization to occur through the Q3. In Latin America, we expect seasonally higher demand through the H2. This should positively impact our volume and geographic mix. We continue realizing paper price increases to our export customers across other Latin American countries, as well as the Middle East and Africa region, and should continue to see additional realization through the Q3.
Speaker #5: We expect the realization to occur through the third quarter. In Latin America, we expect seasonally higher demand through the second half. This should positively impact our volume and geographic mix.
Speaker #5: We continue realizing paper price increases to our export customers across other Latin American countries as well as the Middle East and Africa region. And should continue to see additional realization through the third quarter.
Speaker #5: In North America, industry supply and demand dynamics have improved as 7% of the annual uncoded freesheet industry supply was removed with International Papers Riverdale Mill paper machine conversion.
Don Devlin: In North America, industry supply and demand dynamics have improved as 7% of the annual uncoated freesheet industry supply was removed with International Paper's Riverdale mill paper machine conversion. In the Q2, we saw imports into North America increasing compared to the previous quarter, a reaction to the 10% global tariff window. We also continue realizing paper price increases and expect to see additional realization through the Q3. We expect the Middle East conflict to continue pressuring energy, chemicals, and transportation costs across our regions as we go through the year. Let's move to Slide eight. As we move through the H2 of the year, we expect better earnings across most of our key drivers. This slide provides some perspective to how we see the H2 of the year as compared to the H1.
Don Devlin: In North America, industry supply and demand dynamics have improved as 7% of the annual uncoated freesheet industry supply was removed with International Paper's Riverdale mill paper machine conversion. In the Q2, we saw imports into North America increasing compared to the previous quarter, a reaction to the 10% global tariff window. We also continue realizing paper price increases and expect to see additional realization through the Q3.
Speaker #5: In the second quarter, we saw imports into North America increasing compared to the previous quarter, a reaction to the 10% global tariff window. We also continue realizing paper price increases and expect to see additional realization through the third quarter.
Speaker #5: We expect the Middle East conflict to continue pressuring energy, chemicals, and transportation costs across our regions as we go through the year. Let's move to slide 8.
Don Devlin: We expect the Middle East conflict to continue pressuring energy, chemicals, and transportation costs across our regions as we go through the year. Let's move to Slide eight. As we move through the H2 of the year, we expect better earnings across most of our key drivers. This slide provides some perspective to how we see the H2 of the year as compared to the H1.
Speaker #5: As we move through the second half of the year, we expect better earnings across most of our key drivers. This slide provides some perspective to how we see the second half of the year as compared to the first half.
Speaker #5: Price and mix should have a significant improvement with the price realization we've seen across all our regions and will continue into the third and fourth quarters.
Don Devlin: Price and mix should have a significant improvement with the price realization we've seen across all our regions and will continue into Q3 and Q4. In addition, our mix in both Latin America and North America should be significantly better in H2. Overall, we expect to have $75 million to $85 million benefit from better price and mix compared to H1. Volume should have positive momentum given stronger seasonality in Latin America, which will be partially offset by less volume in North America due to the loss of the Riverdale volume and the extended outage at Eastover in Q4. Operations and other costs are also expected to be much better in H2. Operational issues we had in H1 are now behind us, with the exception of the debarking drum at Nymölla.
Don Devlin: Price and mix should have a significant improvement with the price realization we've seen across all our regions and will continue into Q3 and Q4. In addition, our mix in both Latin America and North America should be significantly better in H2. Overall, we expect to have $75 million to $85 million benefit from better price and mix compared to H1. Volume should have positive momentum given stronger seasonality in Latin America, which will be partially offset by less volume in North America due to the loss of the Riverdale volume and the extended outage at Eastover in Q4. Operations and other costs are also expected to be much better in H2. Operational issues we had in H1 are now behind us, with the exception of the debarking drum at Nymölla.
Speaker #5: In addition, our mix in both Latin America and North America should be significantly better in the second half. Overall, we expect to have a $75 million to $85 million benefit from better price and mix compared to the first half.
Speaker #5: Volume should have positive momentum, given stronger seasonality in Latin America, which will be partially offset by lower volume in North America due to the loss of the Riverdale volume and the extended outage at Eastover in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #5: Operations in other costs are also expected to be much better in the second half. Operational issues we had in the first half are now behind us with the exception of the debarking drum at Numila.
Speaker #5: Planned maintenance outages will be unfavorable by approximately 5 million as we execute our heaviest planned outage quarter and take the extended downtime at our East Over Mill to complete the paper machine investments.
Don Devlin: Planned maintenance outages will be unfavorable by approximately $5 million as we execute our heaviest planned outage quarter and take the extended downtime at our Eastover mill to complete the paper machine investments. Input and transportation costs are expected to be favorable with lower fiber costs in Latin America and Europe, more than offsetting unfavorable energy, chemicals, and transportation due to the Middle East conflict across all regions. In total, we expect a much better earnings performance for H2. I'll now turn it over back to John to talk about our strategic investments at Eastover and our long-term focus. John?
Don Devlin: Planned maintenance outages will be unfavorable by approximately $5 million as we execute our heaviest planned outage quarter and take the extended downtime at our Eastover mill to complete the paper machine investments. Input and transportation costs are expected to be favorable with lower fiber costs in Latin America and Europe, more than offsetting unfavorable energy, chemicals, and transportation due to the Middle East conflict across all regions. In total, we expect a much better earnings performance for H2. I'll now turn it over back to John to talk about our strategic investments at Eastover and our long-term focus. John?
Speaker #5: Input and transportation costs are expected to be favorable with lower fiber costs in Latin America and Europe more than offsetting unfavorable energy, chemicals, and transportation due to the Middle East conflict across all regions.
Speaker #5: In total, we expect a much better earnings performance for the last six months of the year. I'll now turn it back over to John to talk about our strategic investments at Eastover and our long-term focus.
Speaker #5: John?
Speaker #4: Thank you, Don. I'll pick back up on slide 9. Our Eastover strategic investments, including our woodyard modernization and paper machine optimization and new cedar, continue to make good progress.
John Sims: Thank you, Don. I'll pick back up on slide nine. Our Eastover strategic investments, including our wood yard modernization and paper machine optimization and new sheeter, continue to make good progress. Starting with the wood yard, the hardwood line has been performing extremely well since May, and we're seeing improved reliability and chip quality. The wood yard softwood line startup remains on schedule for Q1 next year. The paper machine speed up project remains on schedule, on budget, and will be completed during our Q4 maintenance outage. This will result in 60,000 additional tons of uncoated freesheet capacity annually, which will start to ramp up early next year. The benefits including reducing costs, improving our mix and efficiency, while enhancing service for our customers. Let's go to slide 10. Also within our Eastover strategic investments, the new sheeter project continues to make good progress.
John Sims: Thank you, Don. I'll pick back up on slide nine. Our Eastover strategic investments, including our wood yard modernization and paper machine optimization and new sheeter, continue to make good progress. Starting with the wood yard, the hardwood line has been performing extremely well since May, and we're seeing improved reliability and chip quality. The wood yard softwood line startup remains on schedule for Q1 next year. The paper machine speed up project remains on schedule, on budget, and will be completed during our Q4 maintenance outage. This will result in 60,000 additional tons of uncoated freesheet capacity annually, which will start to ramp up early next year.
Speaker #4: Starting with the woodyard, the hardwood line has been performing extremely well since May, and we're seeing improved reliability and chip quality. The woodyard softwood line startup remains on schedule for the first quarter next year.
Speaker #4: The paper machine speed-up project remains on schedule on budget and will be completed during our fourth quarter maintenance outage. This will result in 60,000 additional tons of uncoded freesheet capacity annually which will start to ramp up early next year.
Speaker #4: The benefits including reducing costs and proving our mix and efficiency while enhancing service for our customers. Let's go to slide 10. Also within our e-service strategic investments, the new cedar project continues to make good progress.
John Sims: The benefits including reducing costs, improving our mix and efficiency, while enhancing service for our customers. Let's go to slide 10. Also within our Eastover strategic investments, the new sheeter project continues to make good progress.
Speaker #4: The cedar passed equipment acceptance testing in June, arrived in the US a few weeks ago, and it teems to preparing for the installation. We expect 50 million dollars of annual benefit from the paper machine speed-up and the new cedar.
John Sims: The sheeter passed equipment acceptance testing in June, arrived in the US a few weeks ago, and the teams are preparing for the installation. We expect $50 million of annual benefits from the paper machine speed up and a new sheeter. We estimate roughly $30 to 40 million of that in 2027. Lastly, we completed a sale leaseback transaction with a third party for existing sheet plant to expand the attached warehouse by 300,000 square feet. A third party is investing the capital to expand the facility and will lease it back to us. The project will reduce supply chain costs, improve service to our customers while providing additional flexibility. We expect this expansion to be completed in Q1 of 2027 and contribute upwards of $5 million in savings per year. These four projects will generate $55 million of benefit per year.
John Sims: The sheeter passed equipment acceptance testing in June, arrived in the US a few weeks ago, and the teams are preparing for the installation. We expect $50 million of annual benefits from the paper machine speed up and a new sheeter. We estimate roughly $30 to 40 million of that in 2027. Lastly, we completed a sale leaseback transaction with a third party for existing sheet plant to expand the attached warehouse by 300,000 square feet. A third party is investing the capital to expand the facility and will lease it back to us. The project will reduce supply chain costs, improve service to our customers while providing additional flexibility. We expect this expansion to be completed in Q1 of 2027 and contribute upwards of $5 million in savings per year. These four projects will generate $55 million of benefit per year.
Speaker #4: We estimate roughly 30 to 40 million of that in 2027. Lastly, we completed a sale leaseback transaction with a third party for existing sheet plant to expand the attached warehouse by 300,000 square feet.
Speaker #4: The third party is investing the capital to expand the facility and will lease it back to us. The project will reduce supply chain costs and improve service to our customers, while providing additional flexibility.
Speaker #4: We expect this expansion to be completed in the first quarter of 2027 and contribute upwards of 5 million in savings per year. These four projects will generate 55 million of benefit per year.
Speaker #4: These strategic investments are high-return projects which will generate incremental earnings and cash flow for the long run. Let's move to slide 11. In my letter to shareholders in January, I described the areas that define our success.
John Sims: These strategic investments are high return projects which will generate incremental earnings and cash flow for the long run. Let's move to slide 11. In my letter to shareholders in January, I described the areas that define our success: safety and wellbeing, employee engagement, customer centricity, operational excellence, cost leadership, and sustainability. Let's go to slide 12 to discuss these in more detail. As we aim to achieve world-class performance in the areas that matter to Sylvamo, we have set clear goals for each one. Today, I want to share with you what we are working toward and how we will measure our progress to achieve these by 2030. Safety and wellbeing is our most important responsibility. Our goal is to have a resilient safety culture in which serious injuries are eliminated.
John Sims: These strategic investments are high return projects which will generate incremental earnings and cash flow for the long run. Let's move to slide 11. In my letter to shareholders in January, I described the areas that define our success: safety and wellbeing, employee engagement, customer centricity, operational excellence, cost leadership, and sustainability. Let's go to slide 12 to discuss these in more detail. As we aim to achieve world-class performance in the areas that matter to Sylvamo, we have set clear goals for each one. Today, I want to share with you what we are working toward and how we will measure our progress to achieve these by 2030. Safety and wellbeing is our most important responsibility. Our goal is to have a resilient safety culture in which serious injuries are eliminated.
Speaker #4: Safety and well-being employee engagement, customer centricity, operational excellence, cost leadership, and sustainability. Let's go to slide 12 to discuss these in more detail. As we aim to achieve world-class performance in the areas that matter to Sylvamo, we have set clear goals for each one.
Speaker #4: Today, I want to share with you what we are working toward, and how we will measure our progress to achieve these by 2030. Safety and well-being is our most important responsibility.
Speaker #4: Our goal is to have a resilient safety culture in which serious injuries are eliminated. If we eliminate serious injuries it will be because our employees truly care and are aligned on relentlessly pursuing excellence.
John Sims: If we eliminate serious injuries, it will be because our employees truly care and are aligned on relentlessly pursuing excellence. On employee engagement, we have nearly achieved world-class engagement with an employee net promoter score of 46. Our focus is to be greater than 50, while we strengthen the capability and readiness of our teams and tap into their talents to help us achieve world-class performance. On customer centricity, we are setting a new standard for customer experience and loyalty. We will measure it through our customer net promoter score and through our perfect order performance, delivering complete on time and without defect. We are targeting a 20-point improvement in net promoter score and higher than 90% on the perfect order. On operational excellence, we are targeting improving overall machine efficiency by 400 basis points. This is a measure of how well our assets run.
John Sims: If we eliminate serious injuries, it will be because our employees truly care and are aligned on relentlessly pursuing excellence. On employee engagement, we have nearly achieved world-class engagement with an employee net promoter score of 46. Our focus is to be greater than 50, while we strengthen the capability and readiness of our teams and tap into their talents to help us achieve world-class performance. On customer centricity, we are setting a new standard for customer experience and loyalty. We will measure it through our customer net promoter score and through our perfect order performance, delivering complete on time and without defect. We are targeting a 20-point improvement in net promoter score and higher than 90% on the perfect order. On operational excellence, we are targeting improving overall machine efficiency by 400 basis points. This is a measure of how well our assets run.
Speaker #4: On employee engagement, we have nearly achieved world-class engagement with an employee net promoter score of 46. Our focus is to be greater than 50.
Speaker #4: While we strengthen the capability and readiness of our teams and tap into their talents to help us achieve world-class performance. Our customer centricity on customer centricity we are setting a new standard for customer experience and loyalty.
Speaker #4: We will measure it through our customer net promoter score and through our perfect order performance. Delivering complete on time and without defect. We are targeting a 20-point improvement in net promoter score and higher than 90% on the perfect order.
Speaker #4: On operational excellence, we are targeting improving overall machine efficiency by 400 basis points. This is a measure of how well our assets run. On cost leadership, we challenge ourselves to set an aggressive goal in order to drive margin improvement, despite the significant inflationary cost pressures.
John Sims: On cost leadership, we challenge ourselves to set an aggressive goal in order to drive margin improvement despite the significant inflationary cost pressures. Our goal is to achieve three to five times our 2022 through 2025 average annual cash cost improvement rate. This will be enabled by our lean and digital transformation efforts. Lastly, on sustainability, we'll continue to operate responsibly to protect forest, uplift communities, and improve the planet every year. Underpinning all six are a talented team, lean management, and digital transformation. I'll conclude my remarks on slide 13. As you are aware, it has been a very dynamic year where we've been adopting and executing the initiatives that are under our control. We are focused on generating strong, sustainable results and long-term value by making disciplined, data-driven decisions that strengthen Sylvamo for decades to come.
John Sims: On cost leadership, we challenge ourselves to set an aggressive goal in order to drive margin improvement despite the significant inflationary cost pressures. Our goal is to achieve three to five times our 2022 through 2025 average annual cash cost improvement rate. This will be enabled by our lean and digital transformation efforts. Lastly, on sustainability, we'll continue to operate responsibly to protect forest, uplift communities, and improve the planet every year. Underpinning all six are a talented team, lean management, and digital transformation. I'll conclude my remarks on slide 13. As you are aware, it has been a very dynamic year where we've been adopting and executing the initiatives that are under our control. We are focused on generating strong, sustainable results and long-term value by making disciplined, data-driven decisions that strengthen Sylvamo for decades to come.
Speaker #4: Our goal is to achieve three to five times our 2022 through 2025 average annual cash cost improvement rate. This will be enabled by our lean and digital transformation efforts.
Speaker #4: Lastly, on sustainability, we'll continue to operate responsibly to protect forests, uplift communities, and improve the planet—every year. Underpinning all six are our talented teams, lean management, and digital transformation.
Speaker #4: I'll conclude my remarks on slide 13. As you're aware, it has been a very dynamic year where we've been adopting and executing the initiatives that are under our control.
Speaker #4: We are focused on generating strong sustainable results and long-term value by making disciplined, data-driven decisions that strengthen Sylvamo for decades to come. We will do this by diligently executing our flagship growth strategy adhering to our discipline capital allocation.
John Sims: We will do this by diligently executing our flagship growth strategy, adhering to our disciplined capital allocation, institutionalizing lean continuous improvement. As industry conditions turn, our capital spending normalizes, and the benefits from our investments begin to materialize, we have the potential to generate annually over $300 million of free cash flow and greater than 15% return on invested capital. With that, I'll turn the call back to you, Lon.
John Sims: We will do this by diligently executing our flagship growth strategy, adhering to our disciplined capital allocation, institutionalizing lean continuous improvement. As industry conditions turn, our capital spending normalizes, and the benefits from our investments begin to materialize, we have the potential to generate annually over $300 million of free cash flow and greater than 15% return on invested capital. With that, I'll turn the call back to you, Lon.
Speaker #4: Institutionalizing lean continuous improvement. As industry conditions turn, our capital spending normalizes and the benefits from our investments begin to materialize we have the potential to generate annually over 300 million of free cash flow and greater than 15% return on invested capital.
Speaker #4: So with that, I'll turn the call back to you, Hans.
Speaker #1: Thanks, John. And thank you, Don. Okay, Lucas, we're ready to take the questions.
Hans Bjorkman: Thanks, John, and thank you, Don. Okay, Lucas, we're ready to take the questions.
Hans Bjorkman: Thanks, John, and thank you, Don. Okay, Lucas, we're ready to take the questions.
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Speaker #3: Daniel, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my questions. I'll start with two. In North America, margin was up at 15% versus 10% in the first quarter.
Daniel Harriman: Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my questions. I'll start with two. In North America, margin was up at 15% versus 10% in Q1. I'm curious if you could add more color on what drove this improvement and how much was price and mix versus maybe lower sourcing costs from bringing product in from Brazil rather than Europe. Leverage finished the quarter at 2.2x with most of the free cash flow for the year expected in the H2. Can you give us a better idea of how much of the H1 working capital build reverses and where you expect to end the year on leverage? Thanks.
Daniel Harriman: Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my questions. I'll start with two. In North America, margin was up at 15% versus 10% in Q1. I'm curious if you could add more color on what drove this improvement and how much was price and mix versus maybe lower sourcing costs from bringing product in from Brazil rather than Europe. Leverage finished the quarter at 2.2x with most of the free cash flow for the year expected in the H2. Can you give us a better idea of how much of the H1 working capital build reverses and where you expect to end the year on leverage? Thanks.
Speaker #5: And I'm curious if you could add more color on what drove this improvement and how much was priced and mixed versus maybe lower sourcing costs from bringing product in from Brazil rather than Europe.
Speaker #5: And then leverage finished the quarter at 2.2 times with most of the free cash flow for the year expected in the back half. Can you give us a better idea of how much of the first half working capital build reverses and where you expect to end the year on leverage?
Speaker #5: Thanks.
Don Devlin: Yeah, Daniel, I'll take your second question first. This is Don, and good morning. The working capital build will unwind by the end of the year mostly. As we talked about in an earlier call, that's due to the Eastover machine speed up project building inventory through what was Q1, Q2, and we'll start to draw down. Q4, it should be pulled out. Your first question, back to North America, the margin improvement from Q1 to Q2. It was largely price and mix, lower operations costs, and a bit of lower input costs. The key driver is price and mix for North America going into Q2 from Q1.
Don Devlin: Yeah, Daniel, I'll take your second question first. This is Don, and good morning. The working capital build will unwind by the end of the year mostly. As we talked about in an earlier call, that's due to the Eastover machine speed up project building inventory through what was Q1, Q2, and we'll start to draw down. Q4, it should be pulled out. Your first question, back to North America, the margin improvement from Q1 to Q2. It was largely price and mix, lower operations costs, and a bit of lower input costs. The key driver is price and mix for North America going into Q2 from Q1.
Speaker #1: Yeah, Daniel. I'll take your second question first. This is Don, and good morning. So the working capital build will unwind by the end of the year mostly.
Speaker #1: And as we talked about in an earlier call, that's due to the Eastover machine speed-up project building inventory through what was first quarter, second quarter, and we'll start to draw down fourth quarter.
Speaker #1: It should be pulled out. And your first question, back to North America—the margin improvement from first to second quarter—it was largely price and mix. And, yeah, price and mix, and lower operations costs, and a bit of lower input costs.
Speaker #1: But the key driver is price and mix for North America going into Q2 from Q1.
Speaker #5: And just to give you a little bit more color, Daniel, there on the working capital — North America is where we built the biggest inventory.
John Sims: Just to give a little bit more color, Daniel, on the working capital. North America is where we built the biggest inventory. It's about 50,000 tons that we expect to draw down in H2, or we will draw down in H2.
John Sims: Just to give a little bit more color, Daniel, on the working capital. North America is where we built the biggest inventory. It's about 50,000 tons that we expect to draw down in H2, or we will draw down in H2.
Speaker #5: It's about 50,000 tons. And we expect it to draw down the second half. We will draw down the second half.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Matthew McKeller with RBC Capital Markets. Matthew, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matthew McKellar with RBC Capital Markets. Matthew, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matthew McKellar with RBC Capital Markets. Matthew, please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. It sounds like you're expecting lower North American volumes in the second half of the year if I've understood your comments on slide eight correctly.
Matthew McKellar: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. It sounds like you're expecting lower North American volumes in H2 of the year if I've understood your comments on slide eight correctly. Is that sales volumes or production? Can I ask what the bogey might be for North American volumes at this point? Thanks.
Matthew McKellar: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. It sounds like you're expecting lower North American volumes in H2 of the year if I've understood your comments on slide eight correctly. Is that sales volumes or production? Can I ask what the bogey might be for North American volumes at this point? Thanks.
Speaker #6: Is that sales volumes or production? And can I ask, what's the bogey might be for North American volumes at this point? Thanks.
Speaker #1: Yeah, Matthew, thanks for the question. So on North American's volume, so it will be both because both production lower production and lower sales. And we have Riverdale's gone.
Don Devlin: Yeah, Matthew, thanks for the question. On North American's volume, so it will be both because both lower production and lower sales. We have Riverdale's gone. That's not our production, but the supply from Riverdale is gone, but that'll impact sales in H2. Of course, we've got the Eastover outage, which is now longer than we thought. We originally planned for 45 days. It'll be a bit longer than that. That'll reduce production as well for North America, and a bit of that flows through sales, and volumes will be lower for those two main reasons.
Don Devlin: Yeah, Matthew, thanks for the question. On North American's volume, so it will be both because both lower production and lower sales. We have Riverdale's gone. That's not our production, but the supply from Riverdale is gone, but that'll impact sales in H2. Of course, we've got the Eastover outage, which is now longer than we thought. We originally planned for 45 days. It'll be a bit longer than that. That'll reduce production as well for North America, and a bit of that flows through sales, and volumes will be lower for those two main reasons.
Speaker #1: That's not our production. But the supply from Riverdale is gone. But that'll impact sales in the second half. And of course, we've got the Eastover outage, which is now it's longer than we thought we originally planned for 45 days.
Speaker #1: It'll be a bit longer than that, so that will reduce production as well for North America. And a bit of that flows through, so sales and volumes will be lower for those two main reasons.
Speaker #3: And one other point would be, Don, is that during this tariff situation, it's gone with IEPA going away, we were able to take advantage of that and move some volume from our Brazilian operations but now with the new tariffs that are in effect, we've had it's not economical.
John Sims: One other point would be, Don, is that during this tariff situation, with IEEPA going away, we were able to take advantage of that and move some volume from our Brazilian operations. Now with the new tariffs that are in effect, we said it's not economical. We absolutely will be bringing in less volume from Europe and Brazil than we expected, there'll be a little bit less than that.
John Sims: One other point would be, Don, is that during this tariff situation, with IEEPA going away, we were able to take advantage of that and move some volume from our Brazilian operations. Now with the new tariffs that are in effect, we said it's not economical. We absolutely will be bringing in less volume from Europe and Brazil than we expected, there'll be a little bit less than that.
Speaker #3: So we absolutely will be bringing in less volume from Europe and Brazil than we expected it. So there'll be a little bit less than that.
Speaker #1: I think your second question relative to North American volume as well. If you think about the impact of Riverdale going away, so that supply is gone and I think we go from what was about a little less than 100,000 tons this year.
Don Devlin: I think your second question relative to North American volume as well. If you think about the impact of Riverdale going away, that supply is gone, I think we go from what was about a little less than 100,000 tons this year, that goes away. It was 90, I think, through April. We won't have that in 2027, yet we'll have the speed up from Eastover. The plan from the speed up was a total of 60. We won't get all of that next year as we'll be ramping up once we come out of the project in the quarter. Eventually, those two things will be a net 40 down.
Don Devlin: I think your second question relative to North American volume as well. If you think about the impact of Riverdale going away, that supply is gone, I think we go from what was about a little less than 100,000 tons this year, that goes away. It was 90, I think, through April. We won't have that in 2027, yet we'll have the speed up from Eastover. The plan from the speed up was a total of 60. We won't get all of that next year as we'll be ramping up once we come out of the project in the quarter. Eventually, those two things will be a net 40 down.
Speaker #1: So that goes away. It was 90, I think, through April. And we won't have that in '27. But yet we'll have the speed-up from Eastover in the plan from the speed-up was a total of 60.
Speaker #1: We won't get all of that next year. As we'll be ramping up once we come out of the project in the quarter. But eventually, those two things will be a net 40 down.
Speaker #6: Okay. So if I think about the Q4 '25 presentation where you talked about 1.17 million tons in North American sales, I think it was, the variance is primarily a longer outage at Eastover and then less volumes coming in from Latin America and Europe than you had anticipated?
Matthew McKellar: Okay. If I think about the Q4 2025 presentation where you talked about 1.17 million tons in North American sales, I think it was. The variance is primarily a longer outage at Eastover, less volumes coming in from Latin America and Europe than you had anticipated?
Matthew McKellar: Okay. If I think about the Q4 2025 presentation where you talked about 1.17 million tons in North American sales, I think it was. The variance is primarily a longer outage at Eastover, less volumes coming in from Latin America and Europe than you had anticipated?
Speaker #3: That's right.
Don Devlin: That's right.
Don Devlin: That's right.
Speaker #6: Okay.
Matthew McKellar: Okay.
Matthew McKellar: Okay.
Speaker #3: And we also got slightly less time from Riverdale, which we already experienced. So Riverdale, I think in that slide, we were assuming 100,000 tons before they converted, and they delivered about 90,000.
John Sims: We also got slightly less tons from Riverdale, which we already experienced. Riverdale, I think in that slide, we were assuming 100,000 tons before they converted, and they delivered about 90,000. That impact's already been felt.
John Sims: We also got slightly less tons from Riverdale, which we already experienced. Riverdale, I think in that slide, we were assuming 100,000 tons before they converted, and they delivered about 90,000. That impact's already been felt.
Speaker #3: But that impacts already been
Speaker #6: Okay. Got it. Thank you. Next, it sounds like you have pricing as a tailwind across each segment into Q3. Could you maybe spend a minute just running through what price is currently announced depending on the markets, maybe talk about how price should trend sequentially by region, either on average or as you execute Q3 in comparison to where you were in Q2?
Matthew McKellar: Okay. Got it. Thank you. Next, it sounds like you have pricing as a tailwind across each segment into Q3. Could you maybe spend a minute just running through what price is currently announced and pending in the markets? Maybe talk about how price should trend sequentially by the region, either on average or as you exit Q3 in comparison to where you were in Q2. Thank you.
Matthew McKellar: Okay. Got it. Thank you. Next, it sounds like you have pricing as a tailwind across each segment into Q3. Could you maybe spend a minute just running through what price is currently announced and pending in the markets? Maybe talk about how price should trend sequentially by the region, either on average or as you exit Q3 in comparison to where you were in Q2. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Yeah. So, Matthew, I'll start with how we see the price in the second half. So, we said $75 to $85 million incremental, which is both mix and price.
John Sims: Yeah. Matthew, I'll start with how we see the price in H2. We said $75 to 85 million incremental, which is both mix and price. I'd say 70% of that is price, and the majority of that is North America and then Europe as well, which we'll see some flow-through. Your second question Can you repeat your second question?
John Sims: Yeah. Matthew, I'll start with how we see the price in H2. We said $75 to 85 million incremental, which is both mix and price. I'd say 70% of that is price, and the majority of that is North America and then Europe as well, which we'll see some flow-through. Your second question Can you repeat your second question?
Speaker #1: I'd say 70% of that is price. And the majority of that is North America and then Europe as well which will see some flow through.
Speaker #1: And your second question, can you repeat your second question?
Speaker #6: Yeah. It was kind of tied together. I mean, what is announced depends on the markets, and then how pricing trends sequentially by region from Q2 into Q3, however you'd like to express that.
Matthew McKellar: Yeah. It was kind of tied together. It was, what is announced and pending in the markets and then how pricing trends sequentially by region from Q2 into Q3, however you'd like to express that. Thank you.
Matthew McKellar: Yeah. It was kind of tied together. It was, what is announced and pending in the markets and then how pricing trends sequentially by region from Q2 into Q3, however you'd like to express that. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah. So I think well, we have a third price increase that's going through in Europe. So that's being implemented right now. And we're actually seeing that in the month of July.
John Sims: Yeah. I think we have a third price increase that's going through in Europe. That's being implemented right now, and we're actually seeing that in the month of July. We'll see that through. In LatAm, we're seeing it in the Olaf markets in MEA, and that's being realized in Q3. We're seeing that now. The same thing with the second price increase that we had in North America. That's being mostly implemented in Q3. Most of these price, the 75 to 85 that Don talked about, a lot of that pricing is, we're seeing that flow through in Q3. That would be relatively flat and carry into Q4.
John Sims: Yeah. I think we have a third price increase that's going through in Europe. That's being implemented right now, and we're actually seeing that in the month of July. We'll see that through. In LatAm, we're seeing it in the Olaf markets in MEA, and that's being realized in Q3. We're seeing that now. The same thing with the second price increase that we had in North America. That's being mostly implemented in Q3. Most of these price, the 75 to 85 that Don talked about, a lot of that pricing is, we're seeing that flow through in Q3. That would be relatively flat and carry into Q4.
Speaker #3: So we'll see that through. And LATAM, we're seeing in the OLA A markets and MIA. And that's MIA realized in the third quarter. We're seeing that now.
Speaker #3: And the same thing with the second price increase that we had in North America—that’s being mostly implemented in the third quarter. So most of these price, the $75 to $85 that Don talked about, a lot of that pricing is—we’re seeing that flow through in the third quarter.
Speaker #3: And then that would be relatively flat and carry into the fourth quarter.
Speaker #6: Okay. Perfect. Thanks for that. And last for me, on slide eight again here, under input and transportation costs, it sounds like lower fiber costs will only partially be offset by higher energy chemicals and transportation costs.
Matthew McKellar: Okay, perfect. Thanks for that. Last for me, on slide eight again here, under input and transportation costs, it sounds like lower fiber costs will only partially be offset by higher energy, chemicals, and transportation costs. It sounds like that benefit is specific to Europe and Latin America. Could you help us understand what's happening with fiber costs and how they're favorable in H2? Thank you.
Matthew McKellar: Okay, perfect. Thanks for that. Last for me, on slide eight again here, under input and transportation costs, it sounds like lower fiber costs will only partially be offset by higher energy, chemicals, and transportation costs. It sounds like that benefit is specific to Europe and Latin America. Could you help us understand what's happening with fiber costs and how they're favorable in H2? Thank you.
Speaker #6: It sounds like that benefit is specific to Europe and Latin America. Could you help us understand what's happening with fiber costs and how they're favorable in the back half?
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Yeah, Matthew. And I'll start with Europe. So we've had a deliberate effort, especially at our Nymolla Mill, to reduce fiber costs there.
Don Devlin: Yeah, Matthew, I'll start with Europe. We've had a deliberate effort, especially at our Nymölla mill, to reduce fiber costs there. I think a lot of what we're seeing in H2 and into Q4 is the benefits of that, both market decreases and actions we've taken. We'll see that benefit H2 in Europe. In Latin America, we had some higher costs in Q2 related to some of our outside wood purchases. They were, I would say, unusual, and we don't expect those to occur again in H2, will be normalized in Latin America. As you know, most of our Latin American fiber is own make, own produce.
Don Devlin: Yeah, Matthew, I'll start with Europe. We've had a deliberate effort, especially at our Nymölla mill, to reduce fiber costs there. I think a lot of what we're seeing in H2 and into Q4 is the benefits of that, both market decreases and actions we've taken. We'll see that benefit H2 in Europe. In Latin America, we had some higher costs in Q2 related to some of our outside wood purchases. They were, I would say, unusual, and we don't expect those to occur again in H2, will be normalized in Latin America. As you know, most of our Latin American fiber is own make, own produce.
Speaker #1: And I think a lot of what we're seeing in the second half and into the fourth quarter is the benefit of that—both market decreases and actions we've taken.
Speaker #1: And so we'll see that benefit in the second half in Europe. And in Latin America, we had some higher costs in Q2 related to some of our outside wood purchases.
Speaker #1: They were, I would say, unusual. And we don't expect those to occur again in the second half. And so we'll be normalized in Latin America.
Speaker #1: And as you know, most of our Latin American fiber is own-make, e, own-produced.
Speaker #3: Just to be maybe a little more specific on New Mill, we've seen a decrease of about 20% since its peak, let's say, in the fourth quarter last year.
John Sims: This will be maybe a little bit more-
John Sims: This will be maybe a little bit more-
Matthew McKellar: Thanks, sir. Go ahead.
Matthew McKellar: Thanks, sir. Go ahead.
John Sims: On Nymölla. We've seen a decrease of about 20% since its peak, let's say, in Q4 last year. It takes 6 months or so for it to start to impact our operations, and that's why we're seeing it in Q3.
John Sims: On Nymölla. We've seen a decrease of about 20% since its peak, let's say, in Q4 last year. It takes 6 months or so for it to start to impact our operations, and that's why we're seeing it in Q3.
Speaker #3: But it takes six months or so for it to start to impact our operations. And that's why we're seeing it in the third quarter.
Speaker #6: Okay. Thanks for the color. I'll turn it back.
Matthew McKellar: Okay. Thanks for the color. I'll turn it back.
Matthew McKellar: Okay. Thanks for the color. I'll turn it back.
Speaker #5: Your next question comes from the line of Mark Ruxland. With truest securities. Mike, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mike Roxland with Truist Securities. Mike, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mike Roxland with Truist Securities. Mike, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Thanks, John. Don and Hans are taking my questions and congrats on all the progress. I think about 18 months ago, I guess you hired a new head of EU.
Michael Roxland: Yeah. Thanks, Daniel Harriman and Hans for taking my questions, and congrats on all the progress. I think, about 18 months ago, I guess you hired a new head of EU. You also established something specifically followed by a mention of a decision on the EU strategic review. That really implies a timeline that you'll have a decision made regarding the EU and what's happening with your European operations around end of year. Can you give us an update as to where that process stands, what the different options are in terms of do you think you're going to continue to put money into those two assets, or are you considering shutting them or selling them?
Michael Roxland: Yeah. Thanks, Daniel Harriman and Hans for taking my questions, and congrats on all the progress. I think, about 18 months ago, I guess you hired a new head of EU. You also established something specifically followed by a mention of a decision on the EU strategic review. That really implies a timeline that you'll have a decision made regarding the EU and what's happening with your European operations around end of year. Can you give us an update as to where that process stands, what the different options are in terms of do you think you're going to continue to put money into those two assets, or are you considering shutting them or selling them?
Speaker #2: And then you also established subsequently followed by a mention of a decision on the EU strategic review. So that really implies then a timeline that you'll have a decision made regarding the EU, what's happening with your European operations around end of year.
Speaker #2: So just can you give us an update as to where that process stands? What the different options are in terms of do you think you're going to continue to put money into those two assets, or are you considering shutting them or selling them?
Speaker #2: Because from our understanding, the cash cost of actually closing the assets seems to be manageable and would roughly imply a two-year payback, and probably would be the most accretive option for shareholders.
Michael Roxland: From our understanding of the cash cost of actually closing the asset seems to be manageable and would roughly imply a two-year payback and probably would be the most accretive option for shareholders. Any color you have on your European operations and your plans there.
Michael Roxland: From our understanding of the cash cost of actually closing the asset seems to be manageable and would roughly imply a two-year payback and probably would be the most accretive option for shareholders. Any color you have on your European operations and your plans there.
Speaker #2: So any color you have on your European operations and your plans there?
Speaker #3: Yeah, Mike, I think you characterized it correct in that we said we were not happy with the performance with our European operations by this time last year.
John Sims: Yeah, Mike, I think you characterized it correct in that we said that we were not happy with the performance with our European operations. About this time last year, we made a significant management change because we wanted to see accelerated performance. I have to say that we made a great change. We're seeing accelerated performance. We're focusing on our strategy there, which is mix improvement from when enabled by the investments we made at our Saillat mill. We're actually ahead of plan there. We're also looking and implementing significant cost reductions that we're seeing both at Saillat and Nymölla increased productivity and also efficiency, we just talked about it, the wood cost. That stay online with our strategy. It's being executed much better and well.
John Sims: Yeah, Mike, I think you characterized it correct in that we said that we were not happy with the performance with our European operations. About this time last year, we made a significant management change because we wanted to see accelerated performance. I have to say that we made a great change. We're seeing accelerated performance. We're focusing on our strategy there, which is mix improvement from when enabled by the investments we made at our Saillat mill. We're actually ahead of plan there. We're also looking and implementing significant cost reductions that we're seeing both at Saillat and Nymölla increased productivity and also efficiency, we just talked about it, the wood cost. That stay online with our strategy. It's being executed much better and well.
Speaker #3: We made a significant management change because we wanted to see accelerated performance. And I have to say that we made a great change—we're seeing accelerated performance.
Speaker #3: We're focusing on our strategy there, which is mixed improvement from what enabled by the investments we made at our SIOP mill. We're actually ahead of plan there.
Speaker #3: We're also looking and implementing significant cost reductions that we're seeing both at SIOP and New Mill, increased productivity and also efficiency. And then we just talked about at the wood cost.
Speaker #3: Let's say online with our strategy, it's being executed and being executed much better and well. But as we said, the conditions are difficult in Europe.
John Sims: As we said, the conditions are difficult in Europe, and we're looking at the long term. Are we satisfied with where we think we can get? We probably would be looking at somewhere in 2027, if we're not satisfied with the outlook that we've got, that we may pursue other options. Those other options are just about essentially everything that you named there. We've been looking at that, but it's probably in 2027 we'll make the call.
John Sims: As we said, the conditions are difficult in Europe, and we're looking at the long term. Are we satisfied with where we think we can get? We probably would be looking at somewhere in 2027, if we're not satisfied with the outlook that we've got, that we may pursue other options. Those other options are just about essentially everything that you named there. We've been looking at that, but it's probably in 2027 we'll make the call.
Speaker #3: And we're looking at the long-term is are we satisfied with where we think we can get? And we'll probably would be looking at somewhere in 2027 if we're not satisfied with the outlook that we've got, that we may pursue other options.
Speaker #3: And those other options are just about essentially everything that you named, and it's not like we're starting—I mean, we've been looking at that.
Speaker #3: And but it's probably in 2027 we'll make the call.
Speaker #2: Got it. Okay. So a little bit longer than the 18 months that you initially outlined. Do you think it's going to be early 2027 in terms of making a determination?
Michael Roxland: Got it. Okay, a little bit longer than the 18 months that you initially outlined. Do you think it's going to be early 2017 in terms of making a determination? Just one quick thing, John, in terms of the cost redux that you've achieved there, what are you ultimately targeting? You've achieved a certain amount already. What are your targets in terms of improving the overall cost structure of Europe?
Michael Roxland: Got it. Okay, a little bit longer than the 18 months that you initially outlined. Do you think it's going to be early 2017 in terms of making a determination? Just one quick thing, John, in terms of the cost redux that you've achieved there, what are you ultimately targeting? You've achieved a certain amount already. What are your targets in terms of improving the overall cost structure of Europe?
Speaker #2: And then just one quick thing, John, in terms of the cost reducts that you've achieved there, what do you ultimately targeting? So you've achieved a certain amount already.
Speaker #2: What are your targets in terms of improving the overall cost structure of Europe?
Speaker #3: Well, I mean, when we look at what we're targeting, we'll probably need somewhere between $50 million or so, so we can be where we are.
John Sims: Well, when we look at what we're targeting, we probably need somewhere between $50 billion or so we can be where we are. It's not just cost reduction, it's mix improvement, it's other things that go into that, to get us at significantly above cash positive on a mid-cycle basis and greater than cost of capital returns. I don't want to lock myself down into a specific, because we're making and looking at where our focus is on Europe. We understand that the issue. I don't want to lock down a timeline. Things could be sooner, things could be later. It depends on how things play out. I don't really want to commit to a certain date, if you don't mind.
John Sims: Well, when we look at what we're targeting, we probably need somewhere between $50 billion or so we can be where we are. It's not just cost reduction, it's mix improvement, it's other things that go into that, to get us at significantly above cash positive on a mid-cycle basis and greater than cost of capital returns. I don't want to lock myself down into a specific, because we're making and looking at where our focus is on Europe. We understand that the issue. I don't want to lock down a timeline. Things could be sooner, things could be later. It depends on how things play out. I don't really want to commit to a certain date, if you don't mind.
Speaker #3: And it's not just cost reduction. It's mixed improvement. It's other things that go into that to get us at significantly above cash positive on the mid-cycle basis.
Speaker #3: And greater than cost of capital returns. And yeah, I don't want to I don't want to lock myself down into a because we're making and looking at just our focus is on Europe.
Speaker #3: We understand that the issue and so I don't want to lock down a timeline. Things could be sooner. Things could be later. It depends on how things play out.
Speaker #3: But I don't really want to commit to a certain date, if you don't mind.
Speaker #2: Totally understand. Two quick questions, then I'll just turn it over. You guys mentioned 75 to 85 million from better price mix in second half over the first half.
Michael Roxland: Totally understand. Two quick questions, then I'll just turn it over. You guys mentioned $75 to $85 million from better price mix in H2 over the H1. Any way to help quantify the benefit from better volumes, better opt-in costs, better input costs? Any way to just quantify that in the H2 versus the H1? The second question, the poison pill ends in November. What's your plan regarding the poison pill? If you have a good relationship with your largest shareholder and they're interested in purchasing more shares, why stop them? Thank you.
Michael Roxland: Totally understand. Two quick questions, then I'll just turn it over. You guys mentioned $75 to $85 million from better price mix in H2 over the H1. Any way to help quantify the benefit from better volumes, better opt-in costs, better input costs? Any way to just quantify that in the H2 versus the H1? The second question, the poison pill ends in November. What's your plan regarding the poison pill? If you have a good relationship with your largest shareholder and they're interested in purchasing more shares, why stop them? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Any way to help quantify the benefit from better volumes, better ops and costs, better input costs? Any way to just quantify that in the second half versus the first half?
Speaker #2: And then the second question, the poison pill ends in November. What's your plan regarding the poison pill? I mean, and if you have a great good relationship with your larger shareholder and they're interested in purchasing more shares, why stop them?
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #1: So Mike, relative to the second half quantifying volume, so we wanted to give you give analysts and investors a sense of the 75 to 85 on price and mix because one, it's big.
Don Devlin: Mike, relative to the H2 quantifying volumes. We wanted to give analysts and investors a sense of the 75 to 85 on price and mix because, one, it's big, two, we're confident prices are in place, and we'll see that carry through. We're confident on the planned maintenance outages. That's something that we typically execute well. On the volume and ops and other costs and inputs, there's more uncertainty. We are leaning in. We're confident in our forecast, we chose not to provide specific guidance there.
Don Devlin: Mike, relative to the H2 quantifying volumes. We wanted to give analysts and investors a sense of the 75 to 85 on price and mix because, one, it's big, two, we're confident prices are in place, and we'll see that carry through. We're confident on the planned maintenance outages. That's something that we typically execute well. On the volume and ops and other costs and inputs, there's more uncertainty. We are leaning in. We're confident in our forecast, we chose not to provide specific guidance there.
Speaker #1: Two, we're confident prices are in place. And we'll see that carry through. We're confident on the planned maintenance outages. That's something that we typically execute well.
Speaker #1: On the volume and ops and other costs and inputs, there's more uncertainty. We are leaning in. We're confident in our forecast, but we chose not to provide specific guidance there.
Speaker #2: Got it.
John Sims: The other question about the shareholder rights plan. The plan remains in place. The board hasn't made it yet a decision what we're going to do in terms of when it does expire at the end of November. That'll be something we'll address with the board when we meet in September.
John Sims: The other question about the shareholder rights plan. The plan remains in place. The board hasn't made it yet a decision what we're going to do in terms of when it does expire at the end of November. That'll be something we'll address with the board when we meet in September.
Speaker #3: And another question about yeah, the shareholder rights plan. The plan remains in place. The board hasn't made it yet a decision on what we're going to do in terms of when it does expire at the end of November.
Speaker #3: And that would be something we'll address with the board when we meet in September.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Michael Roxland: Thank you.
Michael Roxland: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of George L. Stavos. With Bank of America Securities, Incorporated. George, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of George Staphos with BofA Securities, Inc. George, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of George Staphos with BofA Securities, Inc. George, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey, guys. How are you? Thanks for the details. I'll ask two questions, and then I'll come back and queue. First of all, we appreciate you actually providing the pricing guidance that is helpful.
George Staphos: Hey, guys. How are you? Thanks for the details. I'll ask two questions and then I'll come back in queue. First of all, we appreciate you actually providing the pricing guidance. That is helpful. John, Don, if I heard you correctly, most of that hits in Q3. It incorporates what you have in the market, and there's not so much of a tail into Q4. Did I correctly summarize that, or what would you do to modify/add/correct to what I just relayed? Again, thanks for the pricing guide on that. We asked for that last Q.
George Staphos: Hey, guys. How are you? Thanks for the details. I'll ask two questions and then I'll come back in queue. First of all, we appreciate you actually providing the pricing guidance. That is helpful. John, Don, if I heard you correctly, most of that hits in Q3. It incorporates what you have in the market, and there's not so much of a tail into Q4. Did I correctly summarize that, or what would you do to modify/add/correct to what I just relayed? Again, thanks for the pricing guide on that. We asked for that last Q.
Speaker #5: John, Don, if I heard you correctly, most of that hits in three Q. It incorporates what you have in the market. And there's not so much of a tell into fourth quarter.
Speaker #5: Did I correctly summarize that, or what would you do to modify ad correct to what I just relayed? And again, thanks for the pricing guide on that.
Speaker #5: We asked for that last quarter.
Speaker #1: Yeah. So George, thanks for the question. So it'll flow a little more evenly. The way John described those price increases is right. But depending on how it flows through the quarter, for each of the regions.
Don Devlin: George, thanks for the question. It'll flow a little more evenly. The way John described those price increases is right, depending on how it flows through the quarter for each of the regions. We will in Q3 versus Q4 relative to price and mix. It's probably slightly more in Q4
Don Devlin: George, thanks for the question. It'll flow a little more evenly. The way John described those price increases is right, depending on how it flows through the quarter for each of the regions. We will in Q3 versus Q4 relative to price and mix. It's probably slightly more in Q4
Speaker #1: But we will, in Q3 versus Q4, relative to price and mix, it's probably slightly more in Q4.
Speaker #5: Okay.
George Staphos: Okay
George Staphos: Okay
Speaker #1: Than Q3.
Don Devlin: than Q3.
Don Devlin: than Q3.
Speaker #5: Would you be at a full run rate recognizing it's not the full year, but would you be at a full run rate on what you have in the market as you're exiting fourth quarter?
George Staphos: Would you be at a full run rate, recognizing it's not the full year, would you be at a full run rate on what you have in the market as you're exiting Q4? Would that be roughly what you'd be contemplating there? Just factually?
George Staphos: Would you be at a full run rate, recognizing it's not the full year, would you be at a full run rate on what you have in the market as you're exiting Q4? Would that be roughly what you'd be contemplating there? Just factually?
Speaker #5: Would that be roughly what you'd be contemplating there? Just factually there?
Don Devlin: Yes. We would. North America, definitely be at the run rate by end of Q4, LATAM as well, Europe, that would be the expectation.
Don Devlin: Yes. We would. North America, definitely be at the run rate by end of Q4, LATAM as well, Europe, that would be the expectation.
Speaker #1: Yes. Yes. Yeah, we would. So North America, definitely be at the run rate by fourth quarter, end of fourth quarter. LAPTAM as well. And Europe, that would be the expectation.
Speaker #5: Okay. My second question, we noticed the tax rate moved up a little bit. In terms of your guide, that can be a lot of different things.
George Staphos: Okay. My second question: we noticed the tax rate moved up a little bit in terms of your guide. That can be a lot of different things. It's probably mix. Could you help us understand why the effective rate moved up a couple points? I'll come back. Thanks.
George Staphos: Okay. My second question: we noticed the tax rate moved up a little bit in terms of your guide. That can be a lot of different things. It's probably mix. Could you help us understand why the effective rate moved up a couple points? I'll come back. Thanks.
Speaker #5: It's probably mix. But could you help us understand why the effective rate moved up a couple of points? I'll come back. Thanks.
Speaker #1: Yeah. George, that is mainly due to Brazil valuation allowance that we took on a deferred tax asset in our Brazil export entity. And the reason we did that, it was related to the VAT rules are changing in the future.
Don Devlin: Yeah, George, that is mainly due to a Brazil valuation allowance that we took on a deferred tax asset in our Brazil export entity. The reason we did that, it was related to the VAT rules are changing in the future, and we merged two entities to really take advantage of $30 million of VAT tax credits we have in that entity. It came at the expense of this valuation allowance for deferred tax assets. 30 in VAT credits, and it was approximately $9 million for this expense.
Don Devlin: Yeah, George, that is mainly due to a Brazil valuation allowance that we took on a deferred tax asset in our Brazil export entity. The reason we did that, it was related to the VAT rules are changing in the future, and we merged two entities to really take advantage of $30 million of VAT tax credits we have in that entity. It came at the expense of this valuation allowance for deferred tax assets. 30 in VAT credits, and it was approximately $9 million for this expense.
Speaker #1: And we merged two entities to really take advantage of 30 million dollars of VAT tax credits we have in that entity. And it came at the expense of this valuation allowance for deferred tax assets.
Speaker #1: So 30 in VAT credits and it was approximately 9 million for this expense.
Speaker #5: Okay. But implicitly.
George Staphos: Okay.
George Staphos: Okay.
Speaker #3: So we would have stranded the.
John Sims: We would have stranded this.
John Sims: We would have stranded this.
Speaker #5: Go ahead, John.
George Staphos: Go ahead, John. Sorry.
Don Devlin: Go ahead, John. Sorry.
Speaker #3: Sorry. I was going to say we would have stranded that 30 million dollars of tax credits that we've not made this year.
John Sims: I was going to say, we would have stranded that $30 million of tax credits had we not made that move this year.
John Sims: I was going to say, we would have stranded that $30 million of tax credits had we not made that move this year.
Speaker #5: Yeah.
Don Devlin: Yeah
Don Devlin: Yeah
Speaker #3: With the law change.
John Sims: With the law change.
John Sims: With the law change.
Speaker #5: Okay. But it implies. No change in terms of mix or for that matter, your ongoing profitability based on what you were at last quarter.
George Staphos: Okay. It implies no change in terms of mix or, for that matter, your ongoing profitability based on what you were at last quarter.
George Staphos: Okay. It implies no change in terms of mix or, for that matter, your ongoing profitability based on what you were at last quarter.
Speaker #1: That's correct, George.
Don Devlin: That's correct, George. Yeah.
John Sims: That's correct, George. Yeah.
Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you. You're right back.
George Staphos: Okay, cool. Thank you. Be right back.
George Staphos: Okay, cool. Thank you. Be right back.
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Speaker #6: Hi. Thanks. Just one more for me. I thought slide 12 was pretty interesting. As I think about the more kind of operational focus items there, operational excellence, cost leadership, and maybe to some degree customer centricity, how much of that, I guess, do you need to get right to get to your 300 million dollar free cash flow target?
Matthew McKellar: Hi. Thanks. Just one more from me. I thought the slide 12 was pretty interesting. As I think about the more kind of operational focus items there, operational excellence, cost leadership, and maybe to some degree, customer centricity, how much of that, I guess, do you need to get right to get to your $300 million free cash flow target? Thanks.
Matthew McKellar: Hi. Thanks. Just one more from me. I thought the slide 12 was pretty interesting. As I think about the more kind of operational focus items there, operational excellence, cost leadership, and maybe to some degree, customer centricity, how much of that, I guess, do you need to get right to get to your $300 million free cash flow target? Thanks.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
John Sims: That's a good question because as we think about it. To achieve what we want to do, we want to be there across all these metrics. In terms of the $300 million, probably the most important area for us is two. One is the cost leadership. We need to increase the rate at which we can, and the level that we can reduce cost given these high inflationary environments we've had, and it's across all regions and input costs. Additionally, I think it's important with our customer centricity. It's very important that given our strategy, where the flagship growth strategy is and where we want to run our assets at full capability, we need to make sure that our customers, we have intense customer loyalty as the market continues to decline.
John Sims: That's a good question because as we think about it. To achieve what we want to do, we want to be there across all these metrics. In terms of the $300 million, probably the most important area for us is two. One is the cost leadership. We need to increase the rate at which we can, and the level that we can reduce cost given these high inflationary environments we've had, and it's across all regions and input costs. Additionally, I think it's important with our customer centricity. It's very important that given our strategy, where the flagship growth strategy is and where we want to run our assets at full capability, we need to make sure that our customers, we have intense customer loyalty as the market continues to decline.
Speaker #3: That's a good question because we think about it in terms of the to achieve what we want to do, we want to be there across all these metrics.
Speaker #3: But in terms of the $300 million, probably the most important area for us is two. One is the cost leadership. We need to increase the rate at which we can, and the level that we can, reduce costs given these high inflationary environments we've had.
Speaker #3: And it's across all regions and input costs. And additionally, I think it's important with our customer centricity. I mean, it's very important that given our strategy where the flagship growth strategy is and where we want to run and to our assets at the full capability, we need to make sure that our customers we have intense customer loyalty.
Speaker #3: As the market continues to decline, and so it's very important that the customers that we build and serve our customers to a level that's well above their expectations.
John Sims: It's very important that we build and serve our customers to a level that's well above their expectations.
John Sims: It's very important that we build and serve our customers to a level that's well above their expectations.
Speaker #6: Great, thanks for the perspective. I'll turn it back.
Matthew McKellar: Great. Thanks for the perspective. I'll turn it back.
Matthew McKellar: Great. Thanks for the perspective. I'll turn it back.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of George L. Stavos. With Bank of America Securities Incorporated. George, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of George Staphos with BofA Securities, Inc. George, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of George Staphos with BofA Securities, Inc. George, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey, thanks. Two quick ones. Number one, guys, I remember last quarter the update relative to the earnings impact from the footprint alignment related to Eastover.
George Staphos: Hey, thanks. Two quick ones. Number one, guys, I remember last quarter the update relative to the earnings impact from the footprint alignment related to Eastover. There was effectively a $20 million add back for the view that you'd be bringing in some tons, I remember mostly from Brazil, to help on your volume, and it would be a bit more economical. Obviously, with tariffs changing again, maybe that situation has changed, and I think you implied it or commented to it in one of the earlier questions. Can you update us on where that stands? There was a comment in the slide about Eastover and the softwood line, and I was just curious, how are you using softwood in the mix out there? I'll come back. Thanks.
George Staphos: Hey, thanks. Two quick ones. Number one, guys, I remember last quarter the update relative to the earnings impact from the footprint alignment related to Eastover. There was effectively a $20 million add back for the view that you'd be bringing in some tons, I remember mostly from Brazil, to help on your volume, and it would be a bit more economical. Obviously, with tariffs changing again, maybe that situation has changed, and I think you implied it or commented to it in one of the earlier questions. Can you update us on where that stands? There was a comment in the slide about Eastover and the softwood line, and I was just curious, how are you using softwood in the mix out there? I'll come back. Thanks.
Speaker #5: There was effectively a 20 million dollar add-back for the view that you'd be bringing in some tons I remember mostly from Brazil to help on your volume, and it would be a bit more economical, obviously, with tariffs changing again.
Speaker #5: Maybe that situation has changed, and I think you implied it or commented on it in one of the earlier questions. Can you update us on where that stands?
Speaker #5: And then there was a comment in the slide about Eastover and the softwood line and I was just curious, how are you using softwood in the mix out there?
Speaker #5: And I'll come back. Thanks.
Speaker #1: So George, I'll take that first question. So based on the tariff changes, we will not be able to bring in as much product from Brazil as we anticipated last quarter.
Don Devlin: George, I'll take that first question. Based on the tariff changes, we will not be able to bring in as much product from Brazil as we anticipated last quarter. It looks like we'll be back near that $85 million estimate that we provided back in February from our Q4 call. When we said $20 million, it's essentially gone away from Brazil, rather.
Don Devlin: George, I'll take that first question. Based on the tariff changes, we will not be able to bring in as much product from Brazil as we anticipated last quarter. It looks like we'll be back near that $85 million estimate that we provided back in February from our Q4 call. When we said $20 million, it's essentially gone away from Brazil, rather.
Speaker #1: So it looks like we'll be back near that $85 million estimate that we provided back in February from our Q4 call. So when we said $20 million, it's essentially gone away.
Speaker #1: From Brazil, rather. So, back to the $85 million that we originally estimated.
George Staphos: Yeah.
George Staphos: Yeah.
Don Devlin: Back to the $85 million that we originally estimated.
Don Devlin: Back to the $85 million that we originally estimated.
Speaker #3: Yeah. George, and to your question about the softwood, we only have two lines in terms of our wood fiber that we supply the mill, both hardwood and softwood.
John Sims: Yeah, George, to your question about the softwood, we only have two lines, in terms of our wood fiber that we supply to mill, both hardwood and softwood. Generally, we put about 30% to 40% softwood in the products, and mostly that's in the converting grades, which need strength.
John Sims: Yeah, George, to your question about the softwood, we only have two lines, in terms of our wood fiber that we supply to mill, both hardwood and softwood. Generally, we put about 30% to 40% softwood in the products, and mostly that's in the converting grades, which need strength.
Speaker #3: And generally, we put about 30 to 40 percent softwood in the products. And mostly that's in the converting grades, which need stuff. So that's yeah.
George Staphos: Okay, got you.
George Staphos: Okay, got you.
John Sims: Envelope grades and stuff.
John Sims: Envelope grades and stuff.
Speaker #5: I wouldn't I forgot about you. You have some great use for converting. I will turn it over. I'll come back. Thanks.
George Staphos: Yeah, I forgot about you have some grades used for converting. I will turn it over. I'll come back. Thanks.
George Staphos: Yeah, I forgot about you have some grades used for converting. I will turn it over. I'll come back. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of Mike Foxland. With Truist Securities. Mike, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Roxland with Truist Securities. Mike, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Roxland with Truist Securities. Mike, please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Yeah, thanks again for the additional questions. Just two quick ones. First, can you talk about the impact on the U.S. market from additional Canadian tariffs?
Michael Roxland: Yeah. Thanks again for the additional questions. Just two quick ones. First, can you talk about the impact on the US market from additional Canadian tariffs? I think the US imports around 7% of supply from Canada. I'm just wondering, what the new tariffs, if and when they're implemented, would mean for additional tightness in the US market. Second question, just wanted to find out from you. Your most profitable Brazil mill is not backward integrated. The Mogi mill is backward integrated and losing money. Can you remind me why it's important to be backward integrated into pulp in Brazil? What I would also note is, there was an article recently that a domestic US mill has decided to rely on market pulp to produce paper and discontinue the use of internal pulp, and that's actually improved their return profile.
Michael Roxland: Yeah. Thanks again for the additional questions. Just two quick ones. First, can you talk about the impact on the US market from additional Canadian tariffs? I think the US imports around 7% of supply from Canada. I'm just wondering, what the new tariffs, if and when they're implemented, would mean for additional tightness in the US market. Second question, just wanted to find out from you. Your most profitable Brazil mill is not backward integrated. The Mogi mill is backward integrated and losing money. Can you remind me why it's important to be backward integrated into pulp in Brazil? What I would also note is, there was an article recently that a domestic US mill has decided to rely on market pulp to produce paper and discontinue the use of internal pulp, and that's actually improved their return profile.
Speaker #6: I think the U.S. imports around 7% of its supply from Canada, and so I'm just wondering what the new tariffs—if and when they're implemented—would mean for additional tightness in the U.S. market.
Speaker #6: Second question, just wanted to find out from you, your most profitable Brazil mill is not backward integrated. The module is backward integrated and losing money.
Speaker #6: So can you remind me why it's important to be backward integrated into pulp in Brazil? And what I would also notice is that there was an article recently that a domestic US mill has decided to rely on market pulp to produce paper and discontinue the use of internal pulp, and that's actually improved their return profile.
Speaker #6: So any color you have on why the integration is necessary in Brazil. Thank you.
Michael Roxland: Any color you have on why the integration is necessary in Brazil. Thank you.
Michael Roxland: Any color you have on why the integration is necessary in Brazil. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Mike, when you think about the process to produce paper on an integrated mill, not only are you fully integrated, are you using wood to produce the fiber, but you also use that process of reclaiming the chemicals deep arcing it so you get bark.
John Sims: Yeah, Mike, when you think about the process to produce paper on an integrated mill, not only are you fully integrated, are you using wood to produce the fiber, but you also use that process of reclaiming the chemicals, debarking it, so you get bark. You end up producing your energy, both electricity and steam, from the process of cooking the wood. When you add that together collectively, it's typically a much lower cost way to produce the products that we make on uncoated freesheet if you have a good source of wood. Given the competitive situation where you actually may have high-cost wood and relatively low-cost energy, potentially, that may make sense. Where you have low-cost wood, it's going to make more sense to be fully integrated.
John Sims: Yeah, Mike, when you think about the process to produce paper on an integrated mill, not only are you fully integrated, are you using wood to produce the fiber, but you also use that process of reclaiming the chemicals, debarking it, so you get bark. You end up producing your energy, both electricity and steam, from the process of cooking the wood. When you add that together collectively, it's typically a much lower cost way to produce the products that we make on uncoated freesheet if you have a good source of wood. Given the competitive situation where you actually may have high-cost wood and relatively low-cost energy, potentially, that may make sense. Where you have low-cost wood, it's going to make more sense to be fully integrated.
Speaker #3: So you end up producing your energy both electricity and steam from the process of cooking the wood. And when you add that together, collectively, it's typically a much lower cost way to produce the products that we make on cutting free sheet if you have a good source of wood.
Speaker #3: Given the competitive situation where you actually may have high cost wood and relatively low cost energy potentially, that may make sense. But where you have low cost wood, it's going to make more sense to be fully integrated.
Speaker #3: Tracy Ghost is a non-integrated mill, but it has a unique position being attached to a pulp mill. So unlike buying market pulp and then having to repulp that and put it back into your processes, we get it directly from the pulp mill from the Cisano mill.
John Sims: Três Lagoas is a non-integrated mill, but it has a unique position of being attached to a pulp mill. Unlike buying market pulp, and then having to repulp that and put it back into your processes, we get them directly from the pulp mill, from the Suzano mill. We get that in a wet slurry, so no transportation cost, no repulping it. Also, we have an agreement with the Suzano mill to provide steam and energy at very attractive rates. Yeah, that makes that situation down in Três Lagoas. It actually may not be the highest margin business we own, but it certainly is the highest cash generation business, because also you don't have the capital cost on the back end of the mill.
John Sims: Três Lagoas is a non-integrated mill, but it has a unique position of being attached to a pulp mill. Unlike buying market pulp, and then having to repulp that and put it back into your processes, we get them directly from the pulp mill, from the Suzano mill. We get that in a wet slurry, so no transportation cost, no repulping it. Also, we have an agreement with the Suzano mill to provide steam and energy at very attractive rates. Yeah, that makes that situation down in Três Lagoas. It actually may not be the highest margin business we own, but it certainly is the highest cash generation business, because also you don't have the capital cost on the back end of the mill.
Speaker #3: We get that in a wet slurry. So no transportation costs, no repulping yet. And also, we have an agreement with the Cisano mill to provide steam and energy at very attractive rates.
Speaker #3: So yes, that makes that situation come down, and traces the ghost. It actually may not be the lowest or the highest margin business we have, but it certainly is the highest cash generation business, because also you don't have the capital cost on the back end of the mill.
Speaker #1: I would add, John—and for Mike, for your benefit—Louise Antonio is actually our lowest cost mill, even compared to Tres Lagos. And John's comment around a cash basis is important because you don't have, you've got a lot less equipment at Tres Lagos.
Don Devlin: I would add, John, and for Mike, for your benefit. Luiz Antonio is actually our lowest cost mill, even compared to Três Lagoas. John's comment around on a cash basis is important because you got a lot less equipment at Três Lagoas. Luiz Antonio, fully integrated, using fiber is lowest cost.
Don Devlin: I would add, John, and for Mike, for your benefit. Luiz Antonio is actually our lowest cost mill, even compared to Três Lagoas. John's comment around on a cash basis is important because you got a lot less equipment at Três Lagoas. Luiz Antonio, fully integrated, using fiber is lowest cost.
Speaker #1: But Louise Antonio, fully integrated, using fiber is lowest cost.
Speaker #6: And thank you.
Michael Roxland: And-
Michael Roxland: And-
Operator: Go ahead.
Operator: Go ahead.
John Sims: Thank you.
John Sims: Thank you.
John Sims: You asked about the impact on the Canadian tariff. The tariff that was applied was on a very narrow product line of uncoated freesheet, and as you mentioned, it's imported or exported, or comes into the US at a very small volume. The impact of that on the North America market is minuscule from the tariff perspective. Thank you.
John Sims: You asked about the impact on the Canadian tariff. The tariff that was applied was on a very narrow product line of uncoated freesheet, and as you mentioned, it's imported or exported, or comes into the US at a very small volume. The impact of that on the North America market is minuscule from the tariff perspective. Thank you.
Speaker #3: You asked about the impact on the Canadian tariff. And that was the tariff that was applied was on a very narrow product line of uncoated free sheet.
Speaker #3: And as you mentioned, it's imported or exported, or comes into the US at a very small volume. So the impact of that on the North American market is minuscule.
Speaker #3: From the tariff perspective.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Your next question comes from the line of George L. Staffos, Bank of America Securities Incorporated. George, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of George Staphos, BofA Securities, Inc. George, please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of George Staphos, BofA Securities, Inc. George, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hey guys, last two from me—one on Europe and one on the bridge into third quarter. So for Europe, can you—I think you were answering it to Matt, and I might have missed it, but have you quantified what benefit you're getting from improved fiber in Nymölla, or within a reasonable time period—like in the next quarter or two, annualized—what kind of benefit on fiber do you expect to get in Nymölla, relatedly?
George Staphos: Hey, guys. Last two from me, one on Europe and one on the bridge into Q3. For Europe, guys, I think you're answering it to Matt, and I might have missed it, but have you quantified what benefit you're getting from improved fiber in Nymölla? With a reasonable time period, like in the next quarter or two, annualized, what kind of benefit on fiber you expect to get in Nymölla? Relatedly, what are you seeing in the pulp markets in Europe right now, and what it's doing to the cost curve, especially for the non-integrated guys? That's question one, broadly. Question two, if we think about what you reported for Q2, you did $60 million. Again, thank you for the pricing guide. Let's say you get half of that 75 to 85, let's call it $40 million of the midpoint of 80, right?
George Staphos: Hey, guys. Last two from me, one on Europe and one on the bridge into Q3. For Europe, guys, I think you're answering it to Matt, and I might have missed it, but have you quantified what benefit you're getting from improved fiber in Nymölla? With a reasonable time period, like in the next quarter or two, annualized, what kind of benefit on fiber you expect to get in Nymölla? Relatedly, what are you seeing in the pulp markets in Europe right now, and what it's doing to the cost curve, especially for the non-integrated guys? That's question one, broadly. Question two, if we think about what you reported for Q2, you did $60 million. Again, thank you for the pricing guide. Let's say you get half of that 75 to 85, let's call it $40 million of the midpoint of 80, right?
Speaker #5: What are you seeing in the pulp markets in Europe right now, and what it's doing to the cost curve especially for the non-integrated guys?
Speaker #5: So, that's question one. Broadly, question two—if we think about what you reported for Q2, you did $60 million. Again, thank you for the pricing guide.
Speaker #5: Let's say you get half of that 75 to 85. Let's call it 40 million of the midpoint of 80, right? You have maintenance, which comes down 40, I believe, 2Q to 3Q.
George Staphos: You have maintenance, which comes down 40, I believe, Q2 to Q3. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. That's an 80. Should we assume that the Brazilian tons that are not coming in, that -$20 offsets whatever volume and ops benefit you'd get. Basically, we're looking at an $80 million benefit Q3 versus Q2. What other good guys might help you add to that total? Thank you, guys, and good luck in the quarter.
George Staphos: You have maintenance, which comes down 40, I believe, Q2 to Q3. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. That's an 80. Should we assume that the Brazilian tons that are not coming in, that -$20 offsets whatever volume and ops benefit you'd get. Basically, we're looking at an $80 million benefit Q3 versus Q2. What other good guys might help you add to that total? Thank you, guys, and good luck in the quarter.
Speaker #5: Again, correct me if I'm wrong. So, that's an 80. Should we assume that the Brazilian tons that are not coming, in that negative 20, offset whatever volume and ops benefit you'd get?
Speaker #5: So basically, we're looking at an $80 million benefit in Q3 versus Q2. What other good guys might help you add to that total? Thank you, guys, and good luck in the quarter.
Speaker #1: Okay, there's a lot packed in there, George.
Don Devlin: Okay. There's a lot packed in there, George.
Don Devlin: Okay. There's a lot packed in there, George.
Speaker #5: We're trying.
George Staphos: We're trying.
George Staphos: We're trying.
Speaker #1: So maybe, Kate—yeah, appreciate that. So on Europe, let's talk about fiber. Relative to pulp, what we're seeing with pulp is pulp prices coming up, but probably to a stable point.
Don Devlin: Maybe Kate. Yeah. Appreciate that. On Europe, let's talk about fiber. Relative to pulp, what we're seeing with pulp are pulp prices coming up, but probably to a stable point. Relative to the non-integrated players, today there are fewer non-integrated players in Europe than there were some years ago. I think what you traditionally saw where when pulp went up, it helped to put paper prices up. We're not seeing that as much anymore. Operating rates are still low. Pulp has come up somewhat. We've gotten some traction on price, but I think there's less relationship there. Pulp is up EUR 112 a ton, say July year to date, and prices are not up that much.
Don Devlin: Maybe Kate. Yeah. Appreciate that. On Europe, let's talk about fiber. Relative to pulp, what we're seeing with pulp are pulp prices coming up, but probably to a stable point. Relative to the non-integrated players, today there are fewer non-integrated players in Europe than there were some years ago. I think what you traditionally saw where when pulp went up, it helped to put paper prices up. We're not seeing that as much anymore. Operating rates are still low. Pulp has come up somewhat. We've gotten some traction on price, but I think there's less relationship there. Pulp is up EUR 112 a ton, say July year to date, and prices are not up that much.
Speaker #1: And relative to the non-integrated players, today there are fewer non-integrated players in Europe than there were some years ago. And I think that what you traditionally saw was when pulp went up, it helped to push paper prices up.
Speaker #1: We're not seeing that as much anymore. Operating rates are still low. Pulp has come up somewhat. And we've gotten some traction on price, but I think there's less relationship there.
Speaker #1: And pulp is up €112 a ton—sorry, euros a ton—since July year to date, and prices are not up that much.
Speaker #5: Okay. Relatedly, Numila, and then the bridge to Q3. Thank you.
George Staphos: Okay. Relatedly, Nymölla and then the bridge at Q3. Thank you.
George Staphos: Okay. Relatedly, Nymölla and then the bridge at Q3. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yeah, I think, George, we're not going to—but what I said is that wood cost has come down about 20%. But we're going to see the impact of that.
John Sims: Yeah. I think, George, basically what I said is that wood cost has come down about 20%, but we're going to see the impact of that. We're starting to see the impact of that in Q3.
John Sims: Yeah. I think, George, basically what I said is that wood cost has come down about 20%, but we're going to see the impact of that. We're starting to see the impact of that in Q3.
Speaker #3: We're starting to just start to see the impact of that in the third quarter.
Speaker #5: Okay.
George Staphos: Okay.
George Staphos: Okay.
Speaker #3: And that will carry through the rest of the year.
John Sims: That'll carry through the rest of the year.
John Sims: That'll carry through the rest of the year.
Speaker #5: Okay. And the bridge?
George Staphos: Okay. The bridge?
George Staphos: Okay. The bridge?
Speaker #3: And the bridge.
John Sims: On the bridge.
John Sims: On the bridge.
Speaker #1: Yeah. Back to your you're looking for more specifics on each of these the buckets, if you will, for second half?
Don Devlin: Yeah. You're looking for more specifics on each of these, the buckets, if you will, for H2?
Don Devlin: Yeah. You're looking for more specifics on each of these, the buckets, if you will, for H2?
Speaker #5: Yeah, and I gave you some round numbers to work with here, Don.
George Staphos: Yeah. I gave you some round numbers to work with Don.
George Staphos: Yeah. I gave you some round numbers to work with Don.
John Sims: Yeah. When I look at numbers at a very quick level, directionally I would say you're in the ballpark is where we would think. Of course, there's some uncertainty around the input cost with the war, but generally that's right. The other thing too is, maybe we need to talk about this in the volume and stuff. We shipped the volume when the IEEPA tariff went away. We made a change and moved from instead of importing in from our European operations, we imported in from Brazil. We've had to stop that due to the recent tariff implications. There was volume that was shipped into Brazil and not sold, right? Will be sold in H2.
John Sims: Yeah. When I look at numbers at a very quick level, directionally I would say you're in the ballpark is where we would think. Of course, there's some uncertainty around the input cost with the war, but generally that's right. The other thing too is, maybe we need to talk about this in the volume and stuff. We shipped the volume when the IEEPA tariff went away. We made a change and moved from instead of importing in from our European operations, we imported in from Brazil. We've had to stop that due to the recent tariff implications. There was volume that was shipped into Brazil and not sold, right? Will be sold in H2.
Speaker #3: Yeah. And when I look at numbers, very quick level, I mean, directionally, you're I would say you're in the ballpark. It's where we would think.
Speaker #3: And of course, there's some uncertainty around the input cost with the war, but generally, that's right. The other thing, too, is—and maybe we need to talk about this—in the volume and stuff.
Speaker #3: So we ship the volume. When the IEPA tariffs went away, we made a change and moved from, instead of importing in from our European operations, we imported in from Brazil. And we've had to stop that due to the recent tariff implications.
Speaker #3: But there was volume that was shipped into Brazil and not sold, right? Will be sold in the second half. I'm sorry. To the US.
George Staphos: To the US.
Don Devlin: To the US.
John Sims: I'm sorry, to the US. Roughly, that means that the earnings for Brazil understated, and we're going to see the impact of that in H2 in the mix. It's roughly about $9 to $10 million.
John Sims: I'm sorry, to the US. Roughly, that means that the earnings for Brazil understated, and we're going to see the impact of that in H2 in the mix. It's roughly about $9 to $10 million.
Speaker #3: And roughly, that means that the earnings for Brazil on this date is and we're going to see the impact of that in the second half in the mix.
Speaker #3: And it's roughly about $9 to $10 million.
Speaker #5: Okay.
George Staphos: Okay.
George Staphos: Okay.
Speaker #3: But that's not all going to hit the third quarter. As we sell it, it'll be third and fourth quarter.
John Sims: That's not all going to hit Q3. As we sell it'll be Q3 and Q4.
John Sims: That's not all going to hit Q3. As we sell it'll be Q3 and Q4.
Speaker #5: Okay. Thank you very much.
George Staphos: Okay. Thank you very much.
George Staphos: Okay. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I'll now turn the call back over to John Sims for closing remarks. John, please go ahead.
Operator: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I'll now turn the call back over to John Sims for closing remarks. John, please go ahead.
Operator: We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I'll now turn the call back over to John Sims for closing remarks. John, please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Again, thank you for being on the call. Thank you for the questions. We said, and I said at 25 and 26 would be low points in our free cash flow generation.
John Sims: Again, thank you for being on the call, and thank you for the questions. We said, and I said it, 2025 and 2026 would be low points in our free cash flow generation, and I would say that Q1 and Q2 were probably the nadir of that. This is a transition year, 2026. It is going to be a tale of two halves, which we've talked about during this call. This year, we're executing our most significant investments at our Eastover Mill, and will drive a lot of value in the years to come. We've also launched our lean transformation, focused on exceeding our customers' expectations and driving improvement, and accelerating that across all our operations.
John Sims: Again, thank you for being on the call, and thank you for the questions. We said, and I said it, 2025 and 2026 would be low points in our free cash flow generation, and I would say that Q1 and Q2 were probably the nadir of that. This is a transition year, 2026. It is going to be a tale of two halves, which we've talked about during this call. This year, we're executing our most significant investments at our Eastover Mill, and will drive a lot of value in the years to come. We've also launched our lean transformation, focused on exceeding our customers' expectations and driving improvement, and accelerating that across all our operations.
Speaker #5: And I would say that the first and second quarter were probably the nadir of that. But this is a transition year, 2026, and it is going to be a tale of two halves, which we've talked about during this call.
Speaker #5: This year, we're executing our most significant investments that are Eastern Mill. And we'll drive a lot of value in the years to come. We've also launched our lean transformation focus on exceeding our customers' expectations and driving improvement and accelerating that across all our operations we are focused on the long-term value creation and will generate strong sustainable results by diligently executing our flagship growth strategy adhering to the discipline capital allocation principles becoming more customer-centric and institutionalizing lean management principles.
John Sims: We are focused on the long-term value creation and will generate strong, sustainable results by diligently executing our flagship growth strategy, adhering to the disciplined capital allocation principles, becoming more customer-centric, and institutionalizing lean management principles. We have a lot of confidence that we believe that as industry concerns, particularly in Europe and on the older markets, our capital spending normalizes and the benefits from our investments begin to materialize. We have the potential to generate annually greater than $300 million in cash flow, greater than 15% returns on invested capital. Thank you for being on the call.
John Sims: We are focused on the long-term value creation and will generate strong, sustainable results by diligently executing our flagship growth strategy, adhering to the disciplined capital allocation principles, becoming more customer-centric, and institutionalizing lean management principles. We have a lot of confidence that we believe that as industry concerns, particularly in Europe and on the older markets, our capital spending normalizes and the benefits from our investments begin to materialize. We have the potential to generate annually greater than $300 million in cash flow, greater than 15% returns on invested capital. Thank you for being on the call.
Speaker #5: So we have a lot of confidence that, as industry concerns—particularly in Europe and in the older markets—fade, our capital spending normalizes, and the benefits from our investments begin to materialize, we have the potential to generate annually greater than $300 million in cash flow.
Speaker #5: 15% greater than 15% returns on invested capital. So thank you for being on the call.
Speaker #1: Thanks, everybody. Have a great day and a great weekend. Bye-bye.
Don Devlin: Thanks, everybody. Have a great day and a great weekend. Bye-bye.
Don Devlin: Thanks, everybody. Have a great day and a great weekend. Bye-bye.
Operator: Once again, we would like to thank you for participating in Sylvamo's Q2 2026 earnings call. You may now disconnect.
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