Q2 2026 SBA Communications Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Welcome, and thank you all for joining today's SBA Q2 2026 results call. Please note that today's call is being recorded, and currently all attendees are in listen-only mode.
Operator 4: Welcome, thank you all for joining today's SBA Q2 2026 results. Please note that today's call is being recorded, currently, all attendees are in a listen-only mode. There will be opportunity for Q&A at the end of today's call, at which point we will make sure to give you instructions on how to ask a question. With that, I'd now like to formally begin today's call and turn it over to Louis Friend, Vice President of Finance and Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Welcome, thank you all for joining today's SBA Q2 2026 results. Please note that today's call is being recorded, currently, all attendees are in a listen-only mode. There will be opportunity for Q&A at the end of today's call, at which point we will make sure to give you instructions on how to ask a question. With that, I'd now like to formally begin today's call and turn it over to Louis Friend, Vice President of Finance and Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: There will be opportunities for Q and A at the end of today's call, at which point we will make sure to give you instructions on how to ask a question.
Speaker #1: With that, I'd now like to formally begin today's call and turn it over to Louis's friend, Vice President of Finance and Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Good evening, and thank you for joining us for SBA's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. Here with me today are Brendan Cavanagh, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Marc Montagner, our Chief Financial Officer.
Louis Friend: Good evening, thank you for joining us for SBA's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. Here with me today are Brendan Cavanagh, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Marc Montagner, our Chief Financial Officer. Some of the information we will discuss on this call is forward-looking, including, not limited to, any guidance for 2026 and beyond. In today's press release in our SEC filings, we detail material risks that may cause our future results to differ from our expectations. Our statements are as of today, 03 August, we have no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make. In addition, our comments will include non-GAAP financial measures and other key operating metrics. The reconciliation of, other information regarding these items can be found in our supplemental financial data package, which is located on the landing page of our investor relations website.
Louis Friend: Good evening, thank you for joining us for SBA's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. Here with me today are Brendan Cavanagh, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Marc Montagner, our Chief Financial Officer. Some of the information we will discuss on this call is forward-looking, including, not limited to, any guidance for 2026 and beyond. In today's press release in our SEC filings, we detail material risks that may cause our future results to differ from our expectations. Our statements are as of today, 03 August, we have no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make. In addition, our comments will include non-GAAP financial measures and other key operating metrics. The reconciliation of, other information regarding these items can be found in our supplemental financial data package, which is located on the landing page of our investor relations website.
Speaker #2: Some of the information we will discuss on this call is forward-looking, including but not limited to any guidance for 2026 and beyond. In today's press release, in our SEC filings, we detail material risks that may cause our future results to differ from our expectations.
Speaker #2: Our statements are as of today, August 3rd, and we have no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make. In addition, our comments will include non-GAAP financial measures and other key operating metrics.
Speaker #2: The reconciliation of, and other information regarding, these items can be found in our supplemental financial data package, which is located on the landing page of our investor relations website.
Speaker #2: With that, I will now turn it over to Mark to comment on the Q2 results and 2026 outlook.
Louis Friend: With that, I will now turn it over to Marc to comment on the Q2 results 2026 outlook.
Louis Friend: With that, I will now turn it over to Marc to comment on the Q2 results 2026 outlook.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Louis. We had another good quarter, and our results were in line with our expectations. Even the solid performance in Q2 will modestly increase our full-year outlook for cycling revenue and FFO and FFO per share as compared to our prior 2026 guidance.
Marc Montagner: Thank you, Louis. We had another good quarter, and our results were in line with our expectation. Given the solid performance in Q2, we're modestly increasing our full-year outlook for site leasing revenue, FFO, and FFO per share as compared to our prior 2026 guidance. The primary drivers of these increases include higher straight-line revenues and improved net cash interest expenses. In Q2, FFO per share was $3.05, and we paid a cash dividend of $1.25 per share. We continue to operate efficiently, controlling direct costs and achieving company-wide tower cash flow margins of just under 80%. In the US, we added approximately $9 million of domestic new lease and amendment billings in Q2. The bulk of the activity continues to come from new co-locations as carrier both densify and expand their network footprints.
Marc Montagner: Thank you, Louis. We had another good quarter, and our results were in line with our expectation. Given the solid performance in Q2, we're modestly increasing our full-year outlook for site leasing revenue, FFO, and FFO per share as compared to our prior 2026 guidance. The primary drivers of these increases include higher straight-line revenues and improved net cash interest expenses. In Q2, FFO per share was $3.05, and we paid a cash dividend of $1.25 per share. We continue to operate efficiently, controlling direct costs and achieving company-wide tower cash flow margins of just under 80%. In the US, we added approximately $9 million of domestic new lease and amendment billings in Q2. The bulk of the activity continues to come from new co-locations as carrier both densify and expand their network footprints.
Speaker #3: The primary drivers of this increase include higher streetlight revenues and improved net cash interest expenses. In Q2, FFO per share was $3.05, and we paid a cash dividend of $1.25 per share.
Speaker #3: We continue to operate efficiently, controlling direct costs and achieving company-wide tower cash flow margins of just under 80%. In the U.S., we added approximately $9 million in domestic new lease and amendment billings in Q2.
Speaker #3: The bulk of the activity continues to come from new colocations, as carrier boasts densify and expand their network footprints. With respect to churn, our prior outlook for both print and EcoStar-related churn for the year remains unchanged.
Marc Montagner: With respect to churn, our prior outlook for both Sprint and EchoStar related churn for the year remains unchanged. With regard to EchoStar, we continue to litigate the matter in federal court and believe strongly in our contractual rights. Internationally, we continue to see healthy demand for our infrastructure, and we added approximately $4 million of new lease and amendment billings in Q2. International churn continues to be elevated due to carrier consolidations, carrier bankruptcy, restructuring, and wireless operators networks rationalizations. Moving to our balance sheet, I'm very pleased to discuss our recent debt offering, where in July, we issued our first unsecured investment-grade bonds. The total amount raised was $3.5 billion and net proceed we used to pay in full both our Term Loan B and amounts outstanding on our revolving credit facility.
Marc Montagner: With respect to churn, our prior outlook for both Sprint and EchoStar related churn for the year remains unchanged. With regard to EchoStar, we continue to litigate the matter in federal court and believe strongly in our contractual rights. Internationally, we continue to see healthy demand for our infrastructure, and we added approximately $4 million of new lease and amendment billings in Q2. International churn continues to be elevated due to carrier consolidations, carrier bankruptcy, restructuring, and wireless operators networks rationalizations. Moving to our balance sheet, I'm very pleased to discuss our recent debt offering, where in July, we issued our first unsecured investment-grade bonds. The total amount raised was $3.5 billion and net proceed we used to pay in full both our Term Loan B and amounts outstanding on our revolving credit facility.
Speaker #3: With regard to EcoStar, we continue to litigate the amount in federal court and believe strongly in our contractual rights. Internationally, we continue to see healthy demand for our infrastructure, and we added approximately $4 million of new lease and amendment billings in the Q2.
Speaker #3: International churn continues to be elevated due to carrier consolidations, carrier bankruptcy, restructuring, and wireless operators' network rationalizations. Moving to our balance sheet, I'm very pleased to discuss our recent debt offering. In July, we issued our first unsecured investment-grade bonds.
Speaker #3: The total amount raised was $3.5 billion, and net proceeds were used to pay in full both our Term Note B and amounts outstanding on our revolving credit facility.
Speaker #3: As of today, the revolver is fully paid down, and we currently have a $570 million cash on our balance sheet. For formal for this transaction, the amount of secure versus unsecured debt is now below 50%.
Marc Montagner: As of today, the revolver is fully paid down, and we currently have $570 million of cash on our balance sheet. Pro forma for this transaction, the amount of secure versus unsecured debt is now below 50%. The transaction generated very strong demand for each of the three tranches we issued. The three tranches include $1.350 billion due 2030 with a cash coupon of 4.78%, $1.350 billion 2031 with a cash coupon of 5.15%, and $800 million due 2033 with a cash coupon of 5.45%. In aggregate, the $3.5 billion is a blended cash coupon of 5.11% and a weighted average maturity of 5 years. In addition to the new bond offering, we put in place a new, larger revolving credit facility with $2.5 billion of capacity, which is unsecured.
Marc Montagner: As of today, the revolver is fully paid down, and we currently have $570 million of cash on our balance sheet. Pro forma for this transaction, the amount of secure versus unsecured debt is now below 50%. The transaction generated very strong demand for each of the three tranches we issued. The three tranches include $1.350 billion due 2030 with a cash coupon of 4.78%, $1.350 billion 2031 with a cash coupon of 5.15%, and $800 million due 2033 with a cash coupon of 5.45%. In aggregate, the $3.5 billion is a blended cash coupon of 5.11% and a weighted average maturity of 5 years. In addition to the new bond offering, we put in place a new, larger revolving credit facility with $2.5 billion of capacity, which is unsecured.
Speaker #3: The transaction generated very strong demand for each of the three tranches we issued. The three tranches include $1.35 billion due 2030, with a cash coupon of 4.78%; $1.35 billion due 2031 with a cash coupon of 5.15%; and $800 million due 2033 with a cash coupon of 5.45%.
Speaker #3: In aggregate, the $3.5 billion is a bland cash coupon of 5.11% and a weighted average maturity of 5 years. In addition to the new bond offering, we put in place a new larger revolving credit facility with 2.5 billion capacity which is unsecured.
Speaker #3: We now have a solid base of investor for our investment-grade debt, and we plan to continue to issue investment-grade notes in the future to refinance our upcoming maturing ABS and high-yield security.
Marc Montagner: We now have a solid base of investors for our investment-grade debt, and we plan to continue to issue investment-grade notes in the future to refinance our upcoming maturing ABS and high-yield security. I would also like to point out that in June, SBA was upgraded from BBB minus to BBB by S&P, another positive step in our new investment-grade journey. Consistent with our prior outlook, we continue to assume that at $1.2 billion November ABS maturity will be refinanced in November of this year at 5.25%. We ended the quarter with approximately $13 billion of total debt. Our current leverage of 6.4x net debt to adjusted EBITDA remains near historical lows and within our target range of 6x to 7x. During Q2, we declared and paid a cash dividend of $132.7 million or $1.25 per share.
Marc Montagner: We now have a solid base of investors for our investment-grade debt, and we plan to continue to issue investment-grade notes in the future to refinance our upcoming maturing ABS and high-yield security. I would also like to point out that in June, SBA was upgraded from BBB minus to BBB by S&P, another positive step in our new investment-grade journey. Consistent with our prior outlook, we continue to assume that at $1.2 billion November ABS maturity will be refinanced in November of this year at 5.25%. We ended the quarter with approximately $13 billion of total debt. Our current leverage of 6.4x net debt to adjusted EBITDA remains near historical lows and within our target range of 6x to 7x. During Q2, we declared and paid a cash dividend of $132.7 million or $1.25 per share.
Speaker #3: I would also like to point out that, in June, SBA was upgraded from BBB- to BBB by S&P, another positive step in our new investment-grade journey.
Speaker #3: Consistent with our prior outlook, we continue to assume that, at $1.2 billion November ABS maturity, we'll be refinancing in November of this year at 5.25%.
Speaker #3: We ended the quarter with approximately $13 billion in total debt. Our current leverage of 6.4 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA remains near historical lows and within our target range of 6 to 7 times.
Speaker #3: During the second quarter, we declared and paid a cash dividend of $132.7 million, or $1.25 per share. Today, we announced that our board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of $1.25 per share, payable on September 17, 2026, to shareholders of record as of the close of business on August 20. This represents an increase of approximately 13% over the dividend paid in the prior year period, and an annualized rate of approximately 41% of the midpoint of our full-year FFO outlook.
Marc Montagner: Today, we announce that our board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of $1.25 per share, payable on 17 September 2026, to shareholders of record as of the close of business on 20 August 2026. This dividend represents an increase of approximately 13% over the dividend paid in the prior year period and an annualized rate of approximately 41% of the midpoint of our full-year FFO outlook. I will now turn the call over to Brendan.
Marc Montagner: Today, we announce that our board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of $1.25 per share, payable on 17 September 2026, to shareholders of record as of the close of business on 20 August 2026. This dividend represents an increase of approximately 13% over the dividend paid in the prior year period and an annualized rate of approximately 41% of the midpoint of our full-year FFO outlook. I will now turn the call over to Brendan.
Speaker #3: I will now turn the call over to Brendan.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Mark. Q2 represented another solid period of both financial and operating results. We continue to lead the industry in AFFO per share and dividend growth.
Brendan Cavanagh: Thanks, Marc. The Q2 represented another solid period of both financial and operating results. We continue to lead the industry in AFFO per share and dividend growth. Throughout the quarter, the level of customer activity remained steady and in line with the Q1. In the US, our customers continue to invest in their networks, expanding 5G coverage with new spectrum, including C-band, technology upgrades such as massive MIMO antennas, and growth in fixed wireless access subscribers. Internationally, we continued the solid progress we made last quarter, integrating the Millicom assets and expanding our new tower build capabilities. We built 99 new towers, up from 75 in the last quarter. We expect this number will increase steadily over time. New tower builds continue to be a good use of capital, and we expect the risk-adjusted returns to exceed our cost of capital, often on day one.
Brendan Cavanagh: Thanks, Marc. The Q2 represented another solid period of both financial and operating results. We continue to lead the industry in AFFO per share and dividend growth. Throughout the quarter, the level of customer activity remained steady and in line with the Q1. In the US, our customers continue to invest in their networks, expanding 5G coverage with new spectrum, including C-band, technology upgrades such as massive MIMO antennas, and growth in fixed wireless access subscribers. Internationally, we continued the solid progress we made last quarter, integrating the Millicom assets and expanding our new tower build capabilities. We built 99 new towers, up from 75 in the last quarter. We expect this number will increase steadily over time. New tower builds continue to be a good use of capital, and we expect the risk-adjusted returns to exceed our cost of capital, often on day one.
Speaker #2: Throughout the quarter, the level of customer activity remained steady and in line with the first quarter. In the US, our customers continue to invest in their networks, expanding 5G coverage with new spectrum, including C-band, technology upgrades such as massive MIMO antennas, and growth in fixed wireless access subscribers.
Speaker #2: Internationally, we continued the solid progress we made last quarter, integrating the MILCOM assets and expanding our new tower build capabilities. We built 99 new towers, up from 75 in the last quarter.
Speaker #2: We expect this number will increase steadily over time. New tower builds continue to be a good use of capital, and we expect the risk-adjusted returns to exceed our cost of capital, often on day one.
Speaker #2: We continue to see positive organic growth in our international portfolio due in part to local CPI-linked rent escalators. While international churn remains elevated, we continue to focus on locking in stable predictable operating cash flow through long-term contracts and high-quality customer partnerships.
Brendan Cavanagh: We continue to see positive organic growth in our international portfolio, due in part to local CPI-linked rent escalators. While international churn remains elevated, we continue to focus on locking in stable, predictable operating cash flow through long-term contracts and high-quality customer partnerships. Looking ahead, I am excited about a number of prospects that I think will contribute to organic growth for years to come. On 22 July, the FCC formally adopted a plan to auction 160 MHz of upper C-band spectrum starting in April of next year. When combined with the existing lower C-band spectrum previously auctioned, this auction will create a harmonized super band of 440 MHz of contiguous mid-band spectrum to be used for wireless.
Brendan Cavanagh: We continue to see positive organic growth in our international portfolio, due in part to local CPI-linked rent escalators. While international churn remains elevated, we continue to focus on locking in stable, predictable operating cash flow through long-term contracts and high-quality customer partnerships. Looking ahead, I am excited about a number of prospects that I think will contribute to organic growth for years to come. On 22 July, the FCC formally adopted a plan to auction 160 MHz of upper C-band spectrum starting in April of next year. When combined with the existing lower C-band spectrum previously auctioned, this auction will create a harmonized super band of 440 MHz of contiguous mid-band spectrum to be used for wireless.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, I am excited about a number of prospects that I think will contribute to organic growth for years to come. On July 22nd, the FCC formally adopted a plan to auction 160 megahertz of upper C-Band spectrum starting in April of next year.
Speaker #2: When combined with the existing lower CBAND spectrum previously auctioned, this auction will create a harmonized super band of 440 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum to be used for wireless.
Speaker #2: In addition to the large amount of spectrum being made available and the accelerated pace of the auctions, we were very pleased with the stricter build-out requirements established by the FCC, requiring holders to deploy the spectrum or risk forfeiture with no review or waiver process.
Brendan Cavanagh: In addition to the large amount of spectrum being made available and the accelerated pace of the auctions, we were very pleased with the stricter build-out requirements established by the FCC, requiring holders to deploy the spectrum or risk forfeiture with no review or waiver process. The upper C-band's build-out requires 45% population coverage two years after the transition deadline and 80% coverage six years after, paired with automatic license termination for not fulfilling the second performance benchmark. In addition, the FCC made clear that alternative uses such as IoT, fixed point-to-point, and private networks do not count towards coverage milestones. These tougher build-out requirements are now expected to also extend to private investment firms and others that hold spectrum into the future. This structure will be helpful in ensuring that license winners are serious about deploying spectrum for the benefit of the American wireless consumer.
Brendan Cavanagh: In addition to the large amount of spectrum being made available and the accelerated pace of the auctions, we were very pleased with the stricter build-out requirements established by the FCC, requiring holders to deploy the spectrum or risk forfeiture with no review or waiver process. The upper C-band's build-out requires 45% population coverage two years after the transition deadline and 80% coverage six years after, paired with automatic license termination for not fulfilling the second performance benchmark. In addition, the FCC made clear that alternative uses such as IoT, fixed point-to-point, and private networks do not count towards coverage milestones. These tougher build-out requirements are now expected to also extend to private investment firms and others that hold spectrum into the future. This structure will be helpful in ensuring that license winners are serious about deploying spectrum for the benefit of the American wireless consumer.
Speaker #2: The upper C-Band build-out requires 45% population coverage two years after the transition deadline, and 80% coverage six years after. This is paired with automatic license termination for not fulfilling the second performance benchmark.
Speaker #2: In addition, the FCC made clear that alternative uses, such as IoT, fixed point-to-point, and private networks, do not count toward coverage milestones. These tougher build-out requirements are now expected to also extend to private investment firms and others that hold spectrum into the future.
Speaker #2: This structure will be helpful in ensuring that license winners are serious about deploying spectrum for the benefit of the American wireless consumer. And this will, of course, be good for SBA.
Brendan Cavanagh: This will, of course, be good for SBA. As we invest in supporting our customers in meeting their network build-out goals, we expect to see incremental equipment deployed at our sites, driving organic growth for years to come. These opportunities do not only apply to the upper C-band. The NTIA recently announced that 2.7 GHz spectrum can be repurposed for full power commercial licensed use. Once approved by Congress and coordinated with NOAA and the FAA, the FCC could auction 2.7 GHz spectrum as early as 2028. We expect that deployment of this spectrum will also require new equipment at the tower site and support long-term sustained site leasing organic growth. On Friday, the NTIA announced that it has cleared plans to study the 4.4 GHz band for full power commercial licensed use as well.
Brendan Cavanagh: This will, of course, be good for SBA. As we invest in supporting our customers in meeting their network build-out goals, we expect to see incremental equipment deployed at our sites, driving organic growth for years to come. These opportunities do not only apply to the upper C-band. The NTIA recently announced that 2.7 GHz spectrum can be repurposed for full power commercial licensed use. Once approved by Congress and coordinated with NOAA and the FAA, the FCC could auction 2.7 GHz spectrum as early as 2028. We expect that deployment of this spectrum will also require new equipment at the tower site and support long-term sustained site leasing organic growth. On Friday, the NTIA announced that it has cleared plans to study the 4.4 GHz band for full power commercial licensed use as well.
Speaker #2: As we invest in supporting our customers in meeting their network buildout goals, we expect to see incremental equipment deployed at our sites, driving organic growth for years to come.
Speaker #2: And these opportunities do not only apply to the upper CBAND. The NTIA recently announced that 2.7 gigahertz spectrum can be repurposed for full power commercial licensed use.
Speaker #2: Once approved by Congress and coordinated with NOAA and the FAA, the FCC could auction 2.7 gigahertz of spectrum as early as 2028. We expect that deployment of this spectrum will also require new equipment at the tower site and support long-term, sustained site leasing organic growth.
Speaker #2: And on Friday, the NTIA announced that it has cleared plans to study the 4.4-gigahertz band for full-power commercial licensed use as well.
Speaker #2: We now have the largest set of federal spectrum bands ever under consideration for repurposing, including 1.6 gigahertz, 2.7 gigahertz, 4.4 gigahertz, and the 7 gigahertz band.
Brendan Cavanagh: We now have the largest set of federal spectrum bands ever under consideration for repurposing, including 1.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz, 4.4 GHz, and the 7 GHz band. While it will be several years before these airwaves are made available for commercial use, real progress is being made that will be supportive of network investment on our infrastructure for the next decade. In addition to new spectrum deployments, I am excited for the prospect of other new organic growth drivers, including low latency edge computing demand and terrestrial complements to potential future satellite direct-to-device offerings. With regard to edge computing, we see a clear migration towards a distributed architecture with a significant increase in the required number of power and fiber-fed locations to improve speed and latency, enhance redundancy, and reduce the concentration of resources needed to support the growth in AI-oriented applications.
Brendan Cavanagh: We now have the largest set of federal spectrum bands ever under consideration for repurposing, including 1.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz, 4.4 GHz, and the 7 GHz band. While it will be several years before these airwaves are made available for commercial use, real progress is being made that will be supportive of network investment on our infrastructure for the next decade. In addition to new spectrum deployments, I am excited for the prospect of other new organic growth drivers, including low latency edge computing demand and terrestrial complements to potential future satellite direct-to-device offerings. With regard to edge computing, we see a clear migration towards a distributed architecture with a significant increase in the required number of power and fiber-fed locations to improve speed and latency, enhance redundancy, and reduce the concentration of resources needed to support the growth in AI-oriented applications.
Speaker #2: While it will be several years before these airwaves are made available for commercial use, real progress is being made that will be supportive of network investment in our infrastructure for the next decade.
Speaker #2: In addition to new spectrum deployments, I am excited about the prospect of other new organic growth drivers, including low-latency edge compute demand and terrestrial complements to potential future satellite-directed device offerings.
Speaker #2: With regard to edge compute, we see a clear migration toward a distributed architecture, with a significant increase in the required number of power- and fiber-fed locations.
Speaker #2: To improve speed and latency, enhance redundancy, and reduce the concentration of resources needed to support the growth in AI-oriented applications, our existing portfolio of assets is well-suited to support this growing architecture.
Brendan Cavanagh: Our existing portfolio of assets are well-suited to support this growing architecture. I believe we have the opportunity to realize meaningful incremental organic growth over the coming years as a result of this type of activity. With regard to satellite solutions, there has been a lot of discussion around direct-to-device satellite technology. Our view remains unchanged. Satellites are a complement to terrestrial wireless networks, not a substitute for them. However, depending on how the industry develops, the advancement of this technology is expected to provide growth opportunities for our business. Potential new entrants offering direct-to-device satellite-based coverage will require a terrestrial component to their networks in order to provide ubiquitous, high-quality coverage at a level competitive with traditional networks. As new providers arise, new opportunities to benefit from our extensive high-quality infrastructure portfolio and our experienced network deployment teams will grow as well.
Brendan Cavanagh: Our existing portfolio of assets are well-suited to support this growing architecture. I believe we have the opportunity to realize meaningful incremental organic growth over the coming years as a result of this type of activity. With regard to satellite solutions, there has been a lot of discussion around direct-to-device satellite technology. Our view remains unchanged. Satellites are a complement to terrestrial wireless networks, not a substitute for them. However, depending on how the industry develops, the advancement of this technology is expected to provide growth opportunities for our business. Potential new entrants offering direct-to-device satellite-based coverage will require a terrestrial component to their networks in order to provide ubiquitous, high-quality coverage at a level competitive with traditional networks. As new providers arise, new opportunities to benefit from our extensive high-quality infrastructure portfolio and our experienced network deployment teams will grow as well.
Speaker #2: And I believe we have the opportunity to realize meaningful, incremental organic growth over the coming years as a result of this type of activity.
Speaker #2: With regard to satellite solutions, there has been a lot of discussion around direct-to-device satellite technology, but our view remains unchanged. Satellites are a complement to terrestrial wireless networks, not a substitute for them.
Speaker #2: However, depending on how the industry develops, the advancement of this technology is expected to provide growth opportunities for our business. Potential new entrants offering direct-to-device satellite-based coverage will require a terrestrial component to their networks in order to provide ubiquitous, high-quality coverage at a level competitive with traditional networks.
Speaker #2: As new providers arise, new opportunities to benefit from our extensive, high-quality infrastructure portfolio and our experienced network deployment teams will grow as well. I look forward to the potential of this incremental growth opportunity.
Brendan Cavanagh: I look forward to the potential of this incremental growth opportunity. Finally, turning to capital allocation, our dividend remains the fastest growing in the industry and among the fastest growing of all REITs. Nonetheless, as a percentage of AFFO, it remains relatively low, providing capacity to continue allocating significant capital for the benefit of our shareholders. Our leverage at quarter end was 6.4x net debt to adjusted EBITDA, below the midpoint of our target range. As a result, we have ample liquidity to put to work. We will continue to build new towers and look for attractive acquisition opportunities. However, today, we believe share buybacks are the best use of capital at current valuation levels. As Marc mentioned earlier, we have now fully paid off our revolver balance. We intend to resume share buybacks in H2 of this year.
Brendan Cavanagh: I look forward to the potential of this incremental growth opportunity. Finally, turning to capital allocation, our dividend remains the fastest growing in the industry and among the fastest growing of all REITs. Nonetheless, as a percentage of AFFO, it remains relatively low, providing capacity to continue allocating significant capital for the benefit of our shareholders. Our leverage at quarter end was 6.4x net debt to adjusted EBITDA, below the midpoint of our target range. As a result, we have ample liquidity to put to work. We will continue to build new towers and look for attractive acquisition opportunities. However, today, we believe share buybacks are the best use of capital at current valuation levels. As Marc mentioned earlier, we have now fully paid off our revolver balance. We intend to resume share buybacks in H2 of this year.
Speaker #2: Finally, turning to capital allocation, our dividend remains the fastest-growing in the industry and among the fastest-growing of all REITs. Nonetheless, as a percentage of AFFO, it remains relatively low.
Speaker #2: Providing capacity to continue allocating significant capital for the benefit of our shareholders. Our leverage at quarter-end was 6.4 times net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA, below the midpoint of our target range.
Speaker #2: As a result, we have ample liquidity to put to work. We will continue to build new towers and look for attractive acquisition opportunities. However, today, we believe share buybacks are the best use of capital at current valuation levels.
Speaker #2: As Mark mentioned earlier, we have now fully paid off our revolver balance, and we intend to resume share buybacks in the second half of this year.
Speaker #2: We believe in the strength of our business, the future growth potential, and our ability to execute. As a result, we see share repurchases at current valuations as a low-risk, high-return opportunity.
Brendan Cavanagh: We believe in the strength of our business, the future growth potential, and our ability to execute. As a result, we see share repurchases at current valuations as a low risk, high return opportunity. Before opening it up for questions, I'd like to thank our team members and customers for their trust in SBA. The company's ability to achieve our vision to be our customer's first choice provider and the industry leader in quality infrastructure solutions is what we work towards every day. I'm excited about the future with new bands of spectrum becoming available, new edge use cases for our existing tower infrastructure, and towers being at the center of all future wireless deployments. I'd also like to thank our shareholders for your ongoing support. With that, operator, we are now ready for questions.
Brendan Cavanagh: We believe in the strength of our business, the future growth potential, and our ability to execute. As a result, we see share repurchases at current valuations as a low risk, high return opportunity. Before opening it up for questions, I'd like to thank our team members and customers for their trust in SBA. The company's ability to achieve our vision to be our customer's first choice provider and the industry leader in quality infrastructure solutions is what we work towards every day. I'm excited about the future with new bands of spectrum becoming available, new edge use cases for our existing tower infrastructure, and towers being at the center of all future wireless deployments. I'd also like to thank our shareholders for your ongoing support. With that, operator, we are now ready for questions.
Speaker #2: Before opening it up for questions, I'd like to thank our team members and customers for their trust in SBA. The company's ability to achieve our vision—to be our customers' first-choice provider and the industry leader in quality infrastructure solutions—is what we work towards every day.
Speaker #2: I'm excited about the future, with new bands of spectrum becoming available, new edge use cases for our existing tower infrastructure, and towers being at the center of all future wireless. Thank you to our shareholders for your ongoing support.
Speaker #2: And with that, operator, we are now ready for questions.
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Speaker #3: Great, thank you. Could you provide a little bit more color on the application volume that you're seeing in the second half? And if there are any early indications of the activity that you talked about—higher colocation and the spectrum held by the carriers—that could show up as an acceleration in the growth rate into next year?
Operator 2: Great. Thank you. Could you provide a little bit more color on the application volume that you're seeing in the H2? If any early indications of the activity that you talked about, higher co-location and the spectrum held by the carriers, if that could show up as an acceleration in the growth rate into next year. Thank you.
Batya Levi: Great. Thank you. Could you provide a little bit more color on the application volume that you're seeing in the H2? If any early indications of the activity that you talked about, higher co-location and the spectrum held by the carriers, if that could show up as an acceleration in the growth rate into next year. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Sure. Batya, the volumes that we're seeing in terms of applications are relatively consistent with the first half of the year. We haven't necessarily seen an uptick; that's not necessarily the same across all carriers.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure, Batya. The volumes that we're seeing in terms of applications are relatively consistent with the H1 of the year. We haven't necessarily seen an uptick. That's not necessarily the same across all carriers, and I assume this question is specific to the US market, so that's how I'm answering it. In the US market, one of our customers is a little bit busier than the others with us today, but that's not really that dissimilar from where we are at various points in time, where there's some cyclicality and rotation among who's the busiest. Overall, if you added up the application volumes, they're relatively consistent with where they've been throughout the year.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure, Batya. The volumes that we're seeing in terms of applications are relatively consistent with the H1 of the year. We haven't necessarily seen an uptick. That's not necessarily the same across all carriers, and I assume this question is specific to the US market, so that's how I'm answering it. In the US market, one of our customers is a little bit busier than the others with us today, but that's not really that dissimilar from where we are at various points in time, where there's some cyclicality and rotation among who's the busiest. Overall, if you added up the application volumes, they're relatively consistent with where they've been throughout the year.
Speaker #2: And I assume this question is specific to the US market, so that's how I'm answering it. In the US market, one of our customers is a little bit busier than the others with us today, but that's not really that dissimilar from where we are at various points in time, where there's some cyclicality and rotation among who's the busiest.
Speaker #2: So overall, if you add up the application volumes, they're relatively consistent with where they've been throughout the year. And in terms of the drivers of growth opportunities going into the future, particularly around the new spectrum bands, most of what we talked about is something that is longer term.
Brendan Cavanagh: In terms of the drivers of growth opportunities into the future, particularly around the new spectrum bands, most of what we talked about is something that is longer term in its nature, so that is something that is going to happen over the next 5+ years. I don't necessarily expect it to have a significant impact on next year. We're also not ready to give our outlook for next year's leasing growth yet. Stay tuned for that for next year.
Brendan Cavanagh: In terms of the drivers of growth opportunities into the future, particularly around the new spectrum bands, most of what we talked about is something that is longer term in its nature, so that is something that is going to happen over the next five plus years. I don't necessarily expect it to have a significant impact on next year. We're also not ready to give our outlook for next year's leasing growth yet. Stay tuned for that for next year.
Speaker #2: And its nature, so that's something that's going to happen over the next five-plus years. I don't necessarily expect it to have a significant impact on next year, but we're also not ready to give our outlook for next year's leasing growth yet.
Speaker #2: So stay tuned for that next year.
Speaker #3: That's right. Thank you.
Operator 2: That's fair. Thank you.
Batya Levi: That's fair. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next question. Rick Prentice with Raymond James, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to our next question, Ric Prentiss with Raymond James. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next question, Ric Prentiss with Raymond James. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hey, good afternoon, guys.
Ric Prentiss: Hey, good afternoon, guys.
Ric Prentiss: Hey, good afternoon, guys.
Speaker #2: Hey, Rick.
Brendan Cavanagh: Hey, Ric.
Brendan Cavanagh: Hey, Ric.
Speaker #4: Hey. A couple of questions. One, I got to admit. A little confused by why change guidance at all when it's like rounding points. Obviously, EBITDA down a little bit unchanged without FX, but it seems like the ranges were widened up.
Ric Prentiss: Hey. Couple questions. One, I got to admit, I'm a little confused by why change guidance at all when it's like rounding points. Obviously, EBITDA down a little bit, unchanged without FX. Seems like the ranges were wide enough. What's kind of the philosophical thought on guidance? I have a couple other quick ones.
Ric Prentiss: Hey. Couple questions. One, I got to admit, I'm a little confused by why change guidance at all when it's like rounding points. Obviously, EBITDA down a little bit, unchanged without FX. Seems like the ranges were wide enough. What's kind of the philosophical thought on guidance? I have a couple other quick ones.
Speaker #4: What's kind of the philosophical thought on guidance? I'll have a couple other quick ones.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, we didn't really change much, right? Most of the stuff for the top end is changed slightly because of FX. And because we're changing the specific FX assumption which is really driven by what's happened specifically with the Brazilian real, while it's small, just the math without making a change is driven in large part because of the FX, which is why we break out what the change is excluding FX.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. We didn't really change much, right? Most of the stuff for the top end is changed slightly because of FX and because we're changing the specific FX assumption, which is really driven by what's happened specifically with the Brazilian real. While it's small, just the math without making a change is driven in large part because of the FX, which is why we break out what the change is excluding FX, and you can see most of those did not change. As you get a little bit further down the P&L, there's a few minor changes that are mostly to do with things like interest expense, which is changed in part because of the financing that we did. That causes an impact. Really, we're just flowing those into the numbers.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. We didn't really change much, right? Most of the stuff for the top end is changed slightly because of FX and because we're changing the specific FX assumption, which is really driven by what's happened specifically with the Brazilian real. While it's small, just the math without making a change is driven in large part because of the FX, which is why we break out what the change is excluding FX, and you can see most of those did not change. As you get a little bit further down the P&L, there's a few minor changes that are mostly to do with things like interest expense, which is changed in part because of the financing that we did. That causes an impact. Really, we're just flowing those into the numbers.
Speaker #2: And you can see most of those did not change. As you get a little bit further down the P&L, there's a few minor changes that are mostly to do with things like interest expense, which has changed in part because of the financing that we did.
Speaker #2: So, that causes an impact. And so, really, we're just flowing those into the numbers. But basically, there's no change in our outlook from what we gave last time, except for a couple of these specific things that occurred that we felt we should modify the ranges for.
Brendan Cavanagh: Basically, there's no change in our outlook from what we gave last time, except for a couple of these specific things that occurred, that we felt that we should modify the ranges for. Generally, you're correct. I would expect everything to still end up in the same ranges that we gave before.
Brendan Cavanagh: Basically, there's no change in our outlook from what we gave last time, except for a couple of these specific things that occurred, that we felt that we should modify the ranges for. Generally, you're correct. I would expect everything to still end up in the same ranges that we gave before.
Speaker #2: But generally, you're correct. I would expect everything would still end up in the same ranges that we gave before.
Speaker #4: Okay. Glad to hear the news on the stock buyback. Earlier today, we had Echo Star say they're going to do a $5 billion buyback, but it didn't seem like there was pacing there.
Ric Prentiss: Okay. Glad to hear the news on the stock buyback. Earlier today, we had EchoStar say they're going to do a $5 billion buyback, it didn't seem like there was pacing there. I appreciate you're saying that you could resume in H2 2026. I think it's $1.1 billion you guys have left. How should we think about your pacing of the buyback, how it works with leverage and your other capital allocation items?
Ric Prentiss: Okay. Glad to hear the news on the stock buyback. Earlier today, we had EchoStar say they're going to do a $5 billion buyback, it didn't seem like there was pacing there. I appreciate you're saying that you could resume in H2 2026. I think it's $1.1 billion you guys have left. How should we think about your pacing of the buyback, how it works with leverage and your other capital allocation items?
Speaker #4: I appreciate your saying that you could resume in second half '26. I think it's $1.1 billion you guys have left. But how should we think about your pacing of the buyback?
Speaker #4: How it works with leverage and your other capital allocation items?
Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, obviously, I don't want to say exactly and specifically what we would do, but we were trying to be pretty clear that we fully expect to be active during the second half of the year and buying back our stock.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. Obviously, I don't want to say exactly and specifically what we would do, but we were trying to be pretty clear that we fully expect to be active during the H2 of the year in buying back our stock. If you look at where we were before, we had a fairly large amount outstanding on our revolver. We had some refinancing that we needed to get done. We completed that in July, just a few weeks ago. With that now behind us, we feel like we're in a very strong position to lean into what we think is a very good value in our stock today, unfortunately.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. Obviously, I don't want to say exactly and specifically what we would do, but we were trying to be pretty clear that we fully expect to be active during the H2 of the year in buying back our stock. If you look at where we were before, we had a fairly large amount outstanding on our revolver. We had some refinancing that we needed to get done. We completed that in July, just a few weeks ago. With that now behind us, we feel like we're in a very strong position to lean into what we think is a very good value in our stock today, unfortunately.
Speaker #2: And if you look at where we were before, we had a fairly large amount outstanding on our revolver. We had some refinancing that we needed to get done.
Speaker #2: We completed that in July, just a few weeks ago. And so, with that now behind us, we feel like we're in a very strong position to lean into what we think is a very good value in our stock today, unfortunately.
Speaker #4: Yeah, no, I appreciate that. And the last one for me, on the competition from Sally, which we agree seems more complementary. But how should we think about what percent of your base is really rural?
Ric Prentiss: Yeah. No, I appreciate that. Last one from me. On the competition from satellite, we agree it seems more complementary, how should we think about what % of your base is really rural? What % of your towers? We think that's probably the better venue for satellite direct-to-cell. We like to differentiate direct-to-cell versus direct-to-device. How do you think about that? Are there some sites on the fringe that might be better served by satellite, and what kind of magnitude is that for you guys?
Ric Prentiss: Yeah. No, I appreciate that. Last one from me. On the competition from satellite, we agree it seems more complementary, how should we think about what % of your base is really rural? What % of your towers? We think that's probably the better venue for satellite direct-to-cell. We like to differentiate direct-to-cell versus direct-to-device. How do you think about that? Are there some sites on the fringe that might be better served by satellite, and what kind of magnitude is that for you guys?
Speaker #4: What percent of your towers? Because we think that's probably the better venue for Sally direct to sell. We like to differentiate direct to sell versus direct to device.
Speaker #4: But how do you think about that? Are there some sites on the fringe that might be better served by Sally? And what kind of magnitude is that for you guys?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say. Obviously. Exactly. I think when we look at our portfolio, we've done some of our own analysis about what might be those fringe sites.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. It's hard to say, obviously, exactly. I think when we look at our portfolio, we've done some of our own analysis about what might be those fringe sites. It's probably no more than 2% to 3%, Ric. Even that I'm hesitant to really quantify because this remains to be seen how this all plays out, and I'm not so sure that it's going to be all that impactful at all.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. It's hard to say, obviously, exactly. I think when we look at our portfolio, we've done some of our own analysis about what might be those fringe sites. It's probably no more than 2% to 3%, Ric. Even that I'm hesitant to really quantify because this remains to be seen how this all plays out, and I'm not so sure that it's going to be all that impactful at all.
Speaker #2: It's probably no more than 2% to 3%, Rick. But even then, I'm hesitant to really quantify it, because it remains to be seen how this all plays out.
Speaker #2: And I don't—I’m not so sure that it's going to be all that impactful at all.
Speaker #4: But it's a small number. In fact, it might actually find some sites that need to be built, I guess. As you look at when people start using satellite connectivity, they might actually say, "Oh, we need a cell site here."
Ric Prentiss: It's a small number. In fact, it might actually find some sites that need to be built, I guess, as you look at when people start using satellite connectivity that they might want to actually say, "Oh, we need a cell site here.
Ric Prentiss: It's a small number. In fact, it might actually find some sites that need to be built, I guess, as you look at when people start using satellite connectivity that they might want to actually say, "Oh, we need a cell site here.
Speaker #2: Yeah, for sure. I think I've shared in the past some stories that I've heard, and anecdotal evidence, of the need for incremental sites that might come through satellite activity.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah, for sure. I think I've shared in the past some stories that I've heard anecdotal evidence of the need for incremental sites that might come through satellite activity. I know that Our carrier customers today have used the data that they've gathered from some of the satellite service that has been provided through partners to identify places where they had needs to maybe put a tower site to serve a greater amount of usage than they were expecting in a particular location. I think there will be some balance. There will probably be some fringe sites that perhaps aren't economical to maintain, and there will be other places where the opposite is true, and there'll be new infrastructure added.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah, for sure. I think I've shared in the past some stories that I've heard anecdotal evidence of the need for incremental sites that might come through satellite activity. I know that Our carrier customers today have used the data that they've gathered from some of the satellite service that has been provided through partners to identify places where they had needs to maybe put a tower site to serve a greater amount of usage than they were expecting in a particular location. I think there will be some balance. There will probably be some fringe sites that perhaps aren't economical to maintain, and there will be other places where the opposite is true, and there'll be new infrastructure added.
Speaker #2: And I know that our carrier customers today have used the data that they've gathered from some of the satellite service that has been provided through partners to identify places where they had needs to maybe put a tower site to a greater amount of usage than they were expecting in a particular location.
Speaker #2: So I think there will be some balance. There will probably be some fringe sites that perhaps aren't economical to maintain and there will be other places where the opposite is true and there'll be new infrastructure added.
Speaker #4: Great. Thanks, guys. Have a good afternoon.
Ric Prentiss: Great. Thanks, guys. Have a good afternoon.
Ric Prentiss: Great. Thanks, guys. Have a good afternoon.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to the next caller in our queue, Michael Rollins with PITI, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to the next caller in our queue, Michael Rollins with Citi. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to the next caller in our queue, Michael Rollins with Citi. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thanks, and good afternoon. Two questions, if I could. First, in terms of your overall asset strategy, where are you in the process of continuing to optimize your assets and considering monetization opportunities, whether that's for a particular market or portions of a market?
Michael Rollins: Thanks, good afternoon. Two questions if I could. Just one, in terms of just overall asset strategy, where are you in terms of the process of continuing to optimize your assets, thinking about monetization opportunities, whether it's for a particular market or portions of a market? Secondly, is there anything, now that we're in August, can you kind of look back and you mentioned your observations on the stock on this call. Is there anything that you're able to share about any processes that you did employ during H1, or through July that might also be informing you of your view of how to value your own company? Thank you.
Michael Rollins: Thanks, good afternoon. Two questions if I could. Just one, in terms of just overall asset strategy, where are you in terms of the process of continuing to optimize your assets, thinking about monetization opportunities, whether it's for a particular market or portions of a market? Secondly, is there anything, now that we're in August, can you kind of look back and you mentioned your observations on the stock on this call. Is there anything that you're able to share about any processes that you did employ during H1, or through July that might also be informing you of your view of how to value your own company? Thank you.
Speaker #5: And then secondly, is there anything, now that we're in August and you kind of look back—and you mentioned your observations on the stock on this call—is there anything that you're able to share about any processes that you did employ during the first half of the year or through July that might also be informing you of your view of how to value your own company?
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #2: So in terms of our efforts around optimizing our assets, and really what we talked about two years ago, we've been on a consistent journey around that throughout the last couple of years.
Brendan Cavanagh: In terms of our efforts around optimizing our assets and really what we talked about 2 years ago, we've been on a consistent journey around that throughout the last couple of years. You've seen a number of activities where we have expanded our presence in certain markets to improve our positioning. In other places, we have exited certain markets. We continue on that, Mike. It's not the kind of thing that every quarter there's something specific to announce, but you can be assured that it's an ongoing effort here at the company, and I expect in the future there will be steps taken to improve our positioning as it relates to a variety of markets and businesses that we're in, where they are either subscale or we see greater opportunity to enhance what we're doing there.
Brendan Cavanagh: In terms of our efforts around optimizing our assets and really what we talked about 2 years ago, we've been on a consistent journey around that throughout the last couple of years. You've seen a number of activities where we have expanded our presence in certain markets to improve our positioning. In other places, we have exited certain markets. We continue on that, Mike. It's not the kind of thing that every quarter there's something specific to announce, but you can be assured that it's an ongoing effort here at the company, and I expect in the future there will be steps taken to improve our positioning as it relates to a variety of markets and businesses that we're in, where they are either subscale or we see greater opportunity to enhance what we're doing there.
Speaker #2: You've seen a number of activities where we have expanded our presence in certain markets to improve our positioning, and in other places, we have exited certain markets.
Speaker #2: We continue on that, Mike. It's not the kind of thing that every quarter there's something specific to announce, but you can be assured that it's an ongoing effort here at the company.
Speaker #2: And I expect in the future there will be steps taken to improve our positioning as it relates to a variety of markets and businesses that we're in, where they are either subscale or we see greater opportunity to enhance what we're doing there.
Speaker #2: So I guess all I'd say on that is, stay tuned, and we continue to pursue that effort. On the second question, there's really not much I can say.
Brendan Cavanagh: I guess all I'd say on that is stay tuned and we continue to pursue that effort. On the second question, there's really not much I could say. We're always looking at opportunities in the market in all different ways, and what we see there, as well as conversations with our customers, inform our views on the value of our company. I can just reiterate that I think today our stock is at a price that would suggest a valuation below where we think our intrinsic value is, and that is usually why you see us lean into buying it at times like that.
Brendan Cavanagh: I guess all I'd say on that is stay tuned and we continue to pursue that effort. On the second question, there's really not much I could say. We're always looking at opportunities in the market in all different ways, and what we see there, as well as conversations with our customers, inform our views on the value of our company. I can just reiterate that I think today our stock is at a price that would suggest a valuation below where we think our intrinsic value is, and that is usually why you see us lean into buying it at times like that.
Speaker #2: We're always looking at opportunities in the market in all different ways. What we see there, as well as conversations with our customers, inform our views on the value of our company.
Speaker #2: And I can just reiterate that I think today our stock is at a price that would suggest a valuation below where we think our intrinsic value is.
Speaker #2: And that is usually why you see us lean into buying it at times like that.
Speaker #5: Thanks.
Michael Rollins: Thanks.
Michael Rollins: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next question. Jonathan Atkin with RBC Capital Markets, your line is unmuted. You may please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to our next question, Jonathan Atkin with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next question, Jonathan Atkin with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Thank you. A couple of questions. One, in LatHam, one of the Brazilian carriers talked about expense controls when it comes to things like tower rent.
Jonathan Atkin: Thank you. Couple questions. One, in LatAm, one of the Brazilian carriers talked about expense controls, when it comes to things like tower rent. I wondered if you'd give us an update on what you're doing and how your contracts are structured to maybe prevent exposure to that, if there is anything adverse to be aware of. Secondly, ground lease buybacks and what's going on in that segment of the market in terms of multiples, your activity level and pace. If I can maybe lob in a third one, the returns that you're seeing on new tower builds. Thanks.
Jonathan Atkin: Thank you. Couple questions. One, in LatAm, one of the Brazilian carriers talked about expense controls, when it comes to things like tower rent. I wondered if you'd give us an update on what you're doing and how your contracts are structured to maybe prevent exposure to that, if there is anything adverse to be aware of. Secondly, ground lease buybacks and what's going on in that segment of the market in terms of multiples, your activity level and pace. If I can maybe lob in a third one, the returns that you're seeing on new tower builds. Thanks.
Speaker #6: And I wondered if you could give us an update on what you're doing and how your contracts are structured to maybe prevent exposure to that—if there is anything adverse to be aware of.
Speaker #6: And then secondly, Groundleaf Buybacks and what's going on in that segment of the market in terms of multiples, your activity level and pace. And if I can maybe lob in a third one, the returns that you're seeing on new tower builds.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Sure. So on the LatAm question about tower rents, I mean, it's not really that different in Latin America versus our other markets, in the sense that all of our customers are always looking at ways to be more efficient and to control costs—and one of those costs is their rents on towers.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure. On the LatAm question about tower rents, it's not really that different in Latin America versus our other markets in the sense that all of our customers are always looking at ways to be more efficient and to control costs, and one of those costs is their rents on towers. It's really a matter of making sure that what we're delivering to them is of greater value than the costs that they're incurring in order to be there. I think generally speaking, we're able to do that through having high-quality locations, providing service and support that meets their needs and provides them a better outcome than they might see from somebody else.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure. On the LatAm question about tower rents, it's not really that different in Latin America versus our other markets in the sense that all of our customers are always looking at ways to be more efficient and to control costs, and one of those costs is their rents on towers. It's really a matter of making sure that what we're delivering to them is of greater value than the costs that they're incurring in order to be there. I think generally speaking, we're able to do that through having high-quality locations, providing service and support that meets their needs and provides them a better outcome than they might see from somebody else.
Speaker #2: But it's really a matter of making sure that what we're delivering to them is of greater value than the costs that they're incurring in order to be there.
Speaker #2: And I think, generally speaking, we're able to do that through having high-quality locations, providing service and support that meets their needs and provides them a better outcome than they might see from somebody else.
Speaker #2: And so we continue to work with all of our customers in LatAm and otherwise on how we can provide them the most value for what they need out of the sites that we're leasing to them.
Brendan Cavanagh: We continue to work with all of our customers in LatAm and otherwise on how we can provide them the most value, for what they need out of the sites that we're leasing to them. I think we've done a pretty good job with that. There's always going to be situations where there's a site that they don't need or they have some other alternative and it's more cost-effective. I'd say that those are more the exception than the rule. In terms of ground land buyouts, that's something we continue to do. That's something we've been doing for 15 to 20 years now. Here we have a well-established function inside of the company that focuses on buying out land, both for strategic purposes as well as financial purposes, and I think we've done a very good job.
Brendan Cavanagh: We continue to work with all of our customers in LatAm and otherwise on how we can provide them the most value, for what they need out of the sites that we're leasing to them. I think we've done a pretty good job with that. There's always going to be situations where there's a site that they don't need or they have some other alternative and it's more cost-effective. I'd say that those are more the exception than the rule. In terms of ground land buyouts, that's something we continue to do. That's something we've been doing for 15 to 20 years now. Here we have a well-established function inside of the company that focuses on buying out land, both for strategic purposes as well as financial purposes, and I think we've done a very good job.
Speaker #2: And I think we've done a pretty good job with that. I mean, there's always going to be situations where there's a site that they don't need, or they have some other alternative and it's more cost-effective.
Speaker #2: But I'd say that those are more the exception than the rule. In terms of ground land buyouts, that's something we continue to do. That's something we've been doing for 15 to 20 years now here.
Speaker #2: We have a well-established function inside the company that focuses on buying out land for both strategic and financial purposes. And I think we’ve done a very good job.
Speaker #2: One of the downsides to having done it so well for so long is that the opportunity set is a little bit smaller than perhaps it’s been in the past, particularly in places like the U.S. where we've been at it for a long time.
Brendan Cavanagh: One of the downsides to having done it so well for so long is that the opportunity set is a little bit smaller than perhaps it's been in the past, particularly in places like the US, where we've been at it for a long time. Most of the new opportunities that we see are with the new assets that we've added in some of the other markets, including Central America, and we continue to lean into it there. In terms of the values, though, we continue to find opportunities to do immediately financially accretive deals as well as secure our assets for the long term.
Brendan Cavanagh: One of the downsides to having done it so well for so long is that the opportunity set is a little bit smaller than perhaps it's been in the past, particularly in places like the US, where we've been at it for a long time. Most of the new opportunities that we see are with the new assets that we've added in some of the other markets, including Central America, and we continue to lean into it there. In terms of the values, though, we continue to find opportunities to do immediately financially accretive deals as well as secure our assets for the long term.
Speaker #2: Most of the new opportunities that we see are with the new assets that we've added in some of the other markets, including Central America.
Speaker #2: And we continue to lean into it there. In terms of the values, though, we continue to find opportunities to do immediately financially accretive deals, as well as secure our assets for the long term.
Speaker #2: And then in places like Brazil and others, where you have pass-throughs of land costs, we're able to share a little bit of that with our customers.
Brendan Cavanagh: In places like Brazil and others, where you have pass-throughs of land costs, we're able to share a little bit of that with our customers, and that goes to your first question in that it helps reduce some of that cost for them and make it a better value proposition. Your last question, I think, was on new tower builds, if I remember correctly, the returns on new tower builds. It's been tough in the US to see very strong returns because we've had competition from folks who've been willing to accept, frankly, returns that we just really weren't willing to accept.
Brendan Cavanagh: In places like Brazil and others, where you have pass-throughs of land costs, we're able to share a little bit of that with our customers, and that goes to your first question in that it helps reduce some of that cost for them and make it a better value proposition. Your last question, I think, was on new tower builds, if I remember correctly, the returns on new tower builds. It's been tough in the US to see very strong returns because we've had competition from folks who've been willing to accept, frankly, returns that we just really weren't willing to accept.
Speaker #2: And that goes to your first question, in that it helps reduce some of that cost for them and makes it a better value proposition.
Speaker #2: And then your last question, I think, was on new tower builds, if I remember correctly—the returns on new tower builds. It's been tough in the U.S. to see very strong returns because we've had competition from folks who've been willing to accept, frankly, returns that we just really weren't willing to accept.
Speaker #2: But our ability to deliver timely for our customers and to do a quality job, I think, is going to allow us some incremental opportunities here over the next couple of years.
Brendan Cavanagh: Our ability to deliver timely for our customers and to do a quality job, I think is going to allow us some incremental opportunities here over the next couple of years, and I would expect to see us do a little bit more. Having said that, I don't expect it to be overly material. Internationally, though, we're building a lot of sites. We have some great opportunities, in both Africa and in Central America in particular. You're seeing us build more and more sites. As mentioned in my prepared comments, as we move to the balance of the year, I would expect that you'll see us build a greater amount of sites, each of the successive quarters throughout the rest of the year.
Brendan Cavanagh: Our ability to deliver timely for our customers and to do a quality job, I think is going to allow us some incremental opportunities here over the next couple of years, and I would expect to see us do a little bit more. Having said that, I don't expect it to be overly material. Internationally, though, we're building a lot of sites. We have some great opportunities, in both Africa and in Central America in particular. You're seeing us build more and more sites. As mentioned in my prepared comments, as we move to the balance of the year, I would expect that you'll see us build a greater amount of sites, each of the successive quarters throughout the rest of the year.
Speaker #2: And I would expect to see us do a little bit more. But, having said that, I don't expect it to be overly material. Internationally, though, we're building a lot of sites.
Speaker #2: We have some great opportunities in both Africa and in Central America in particular. And you're seeing us build more and more sites. As I mentioned in my prepared comments, as we move through the balance of the year, I would expect that you'll see us build a greater number of sites in each of the successive quarters throughout the rest of the year.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Jonathan Atkin: Thank you.
Jonathan Atkin: Thank you.
Speaker #2: You're welcome.
Brendan Cavanagh: You're welcome.
Brendan Cavanagh: You're welcome.
Speaker #1: Moving to the next question in our queue. Brendan Lynch with Barclays, your line is unmuted. You may please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to the next question in our queue, Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to the next question in our queue, Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Great, thanks for taking my questions. Brendan, maybe just to follow up on the D2D opportunity. There was some discussion about potential additional towers, but maybe you could just kind of scope the order of magnitude of what this opportunity might be and how it relates to either just deployments on your towers specifically, or maybe just using your sites for ground stations or something else.
Brendan Lynch: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Brendan, maybe just to follow up on the D2D opportunity. Maybe you could just kind of scope the order of magnitude of what this opportunity might be, and how it relates to either just deployments on your tower specifically or maybe just using your sites for ground stations or something else, just to help us understand what might be the outcome over the next couple of years. Thank you.
Brendan Lynch: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Brendan, maybe just to follow up on the D2D opportunity. Maybe you could just kind of scope the order of magnitude of what this opportunity might be, and how it relates to either just deployments on your tower specifically or maybe just using your sites for ground stations or something else, just to help us understand what might be the outcome over the next couple of years. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Just to help us understand what might be the outcome over the next couple of years. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah, Brendan, that's honestly a little bit of a hard question to answer because of where we are in the current status of the development of those opportunities.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. Brendan, that's honestly a little bit of a hard question to answer because of where we are in the current status of the development of those opportunities. The companies that are obviously looking at direct-to-device service are still in the very early stages of working out how that might work as they acquire spectrum bands and they start to do network planning. The comments that I made were really meant to highlight what I believe will be a long-term driver of additional opportunity for our towers, and that is that anybody that is going to provide direct-to-device satellite service, if they plan to compete with the existing MNOs and the existing networks, in order to do that effectively and to deliver the kind of quality that will be required, there will be a need for a terrestrial component of those networks.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. Brendan, that's honestly a little bit of a hard question to answer because of where we are in the current status of the development of those opportunities. The companies that are obviously looking at direct-to-device service are still in the very early stages of working out how that might work as they acquire spectrum bands and they start to do network planning. The comments that I made were really meant to highlight what I believe will be a long-term driver of additional opportunity for our towers, and that is that anybody that is going to provide direct-to-device satellite service, if they plan to compete with the existing MNOs and the existing networks, in order to do that effectively and to deliver the kind of quality that will be required, there will be a need for a terrestrial component of those networks.
Speaker #2: The companies that are obviously looking at direct-to-device service are still in the very early stages of working out how that might work, as they acquire spectrum bands and start to do network planning.
Speaker #2: The comments that I made were really meant to highlight what I believe will be a long-term driver of an additional opportunity for our towers.
Speaker #2: And that is that anybody that is going to provide direct-to-device satellite service, if they plan to compete with the existing MNOs and the existing networks, in order to do that effectively and to deliver the kind of quality that will be required, there will be a need for a terrestrial component of those networks.
Speaker #2: And if that is the case, obviously, that will be good for us, because we will be able to provide a solution that gets them to market and on-air as quickly as possible.
Brendan Cavanagh: If that is the case, obviously that will be good for us, because we will be able to provide a solution that gets them to market and on air as quickly as possible. I think we're very early in those conversations, so it's premature to talk about anything specifically, but I'm hopeful that over the coming year or two, we will have more specifics that we can discuss as that starts to develop. The bottom line is really the physics and what's necessary to provide that kind of service and compete, and I think we're well positioned to benefit from that.
Brendan Cavanagh: If that is the case, obviously that will be good for us, because we will be able to provide a solution that gets them to market and on air as quickly as possible. I think we're very early in those conversations, so it's premature to talk about anything specifically, but I'm hopeful that over the coming year or two, we will have more specifics that we can discuss as that starts to develop. The bottom line is really the physics and what's necessary to provide that kind of service and compete, and I think we're well positioned to benefit from that.
Speaker #2: And I think we're very early in those conversations, so it's premature to talk about anything specifically. But I'm hopeful that over the coming year or two, we will have more specifics that we can discuss as that starts to develop.
Speaker #2: But the bottom line is really the physics and what's necessary to provide that kind of service and compete, and I think we're well positioned to benefit from that.
Speaker #4: Okay, great. Thanks, that's helpful. And then maybe just on the headcount reductions that we've seen at some of the U.S. carriers recently—has this altered their plans or the pace of deployments that you're seeing for this year, or even going into 2027?
Brendan Lynch: Okay, great. Thanks. That's helpful. Then, maybe just on the headcount reductions that we've seen at some of the US carriers recently, has this altered their plans or the pace of deployments that you're seeing for this year or kind of even going into 2027?
Brendan Lynch: Okay, great. Thanks. That's helpful. Then, maybe just on the headcount reductions that we've seen at some of the US carriers recently, has this altered their plans or the pace of deployments that you're seeing for this year or kind of even going into 2027?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I don't know whether the headcount reductions specifically, but I do think that there's been a change in leadership at a couple of our larger customers, and certainly a renewed focus on cost control, and maybe just a refreshed review of how things are done.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I don't know whether the headcount reductions specifically, I do think that there's been a change in leadership at a couple of our larger customers and certainly a renewed focus on cost control and maybe just a refreshed review of how things are done. I think while taking a pause to refresh how they view these things and where they spend their resources, that has had some impact on spending levels here in the US. I don't think that it means anything that significant for the long term, because ultimately, network quality is going to continue to be critical for their future competitive positioning, and I think we're in a good position for that.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I don't know whether the headcount reductions specifically, I do think that there's been a change in leadership at a couple of our larger customers and certainly a renewed focus on cost control and maybe just a refreshed review of how things are done. I think while taking a pause to refresh how they view these things and where they spend their resources, that has had some impact on spending levels here in the US. I don't think that it means anything that significant for the long term, because ultimately, network quality is going to continue to be critical for their future competitive positioning, and I think we're in a good position for that.
Speaker #2: And I think, while taking a pause to refresh how they view these things and where they spend their resources, that has had some impact on spending levels here in the U.S.
Speaker #2: But I don't think that it means anything that significant for the long term, because ultimately, network quality is going to continue to be critical for their future competitive positioning, and I think we're in a good position for that.
Speaker #4: Very good. Thank you.
Brendan Lynch: Very good. Thank you.
Brendan Lynch: Very good. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thanks.
Brendan Cavanagh: Thanks.
Brendan Cavanagh: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next question. Richard Cho with J.P. Morgan, your line is unmuted. You may please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to our next question, Richard Choe with J.P. Morgan. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next question, Richard Choe with JPMorgan. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hi. I just wanted to follow up on the edge opportunity. What kind of conversations are you having, and what kind of timing should we expect?
Richard Choe: Hi. I just wanted to follow up on the edge opportunity. Just what kind of conversations are you having, and what kind of timing should we expect? Could something happen this year, or is it more for next year and the year after?
Richard Choe: Hi. I just wanted to follow up on the edge opportunity. Just what kind of conversations are you having, and what kind of timing should we expect? Could something happen this year, or is it more for next year and the year after?
Speaker #5: Could something happen this year, or is it more for next year and the year after?
Speaker #2: Well, I can't give you the—to a number of parties who have an interest in this more disaggregated approach to compute, and specifically to spread out the usage of power—those types of things that I think present challenges in the existing, more centralized or hyperscale data center structure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Well, I can't give you the specific details at this point, but we are talking to a number of parties who have an interest in this more disaggregated approach to compute and specifically to spread out the usage of power, those types of things that I think present challenges in the existing more centralized or hyperscale data center structure. Based on how the conversation's going, I would expect that things will develop over the course of the next 12 months. It's just a hair premature to get into that specifically. I do feel more confident today than I have at any point in the past about the development of this particular opportunity for us.
Brendan Cavanagh: Well, I can't give you the specific details at this point, but we are talking to a number of parties who have an interest in this more disaggregated approach to compute and specifically to spread out the usage of power, those types of things that I think present challenges in the existing more centralized or hyperscale data center structure. Based on how the conversation's going, I would expect that things will develop over the course of the next 12 months. It's just a hair premature to get into that specifically. I do feel more confident today than I have at any point in the past about the development of this particular opportunity for us.
Speaker #2: So, based on how the conversation is going, I would expect that things will develop over the course of the next 12 months. But it's just a hair premature to get into that specifically.
Speaker #2: But I do feel more confident today than I have at any point in the past about the development of this particular opportunity for us.
Speaker #5: And from what you're saying, it seems like maybe there's been a pickup in how many conversations you're having—instead of just with one company, it could be multiple ones.
Richard Choe: From what you're saying, it seems like maybe there's been a pickup in how many conversations you're having in terms of instead of just with one company, it could be multiple ones.
Richard Choe: From what you're saying, it seems like maybe there's been a pickup in how many conversations you're having in terms of instead of just with one company, it could be multiple ones.
Speaker #2: Yes. That's true.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yes, that's true.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yes, that's true.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Richard Choe: Thank you.
Richard Choe: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Richard. Moving to our next question. Cameron McVey with Morgan Stanley, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Brendan Cavanagh: Thanks, Richard.
Brendan Cavanagh: Thanks, Richard.
Operator 5: Moving to our next question. Cameron McVeigh with Morgan Stanley, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next question. Cameron McVeigh with Morgan Stanley, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hi, thank you. So, just a couple of questions. With the increase in the discretionary capex guide, I'm just curious—how many total builds might now be expected this year and in '26, and how much of that increase relates to Central America and Millicom?
Cameron McVeigh: Hi. Thank you. Just a couple. With the increase in the discretionary CapEx guide, just curious how many total builds might now be expected in this year, in 2026, and how much of that increase relates to Central America and Millicom? Secondly, from a high level, could you characterize just the stage of the 4G to 5G investment cycle across your international markets? And curious where you might see the greatest remaining runway for carrier activity. Thanks.
Cameron McVeigh: Hi. Thank you. Just a couple. With the increase in the discretionary CapEx guide, just curious how many total builds might now be expected in this year, in 2026, and how much of that increase relates to Central America and Millicom? Secondly, from a high level, could you characterize just the stage of the 4G to 5G investment cycle across your international markets? And curious where you might see the greatest remaining runway for carrier activity. Thanks.
Speaker #4: And then secondly, from a high level, could you characterize just the stage of the 4G to 5G investment cycle across your international markets? And I'm curious where you might see the greatest remaining runway for carrier activity?
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Yeah, so on the discretionary capex, I would say that we're expecting in the ballpark of around 600 or so sites to be built—new tower builds this year, most of those in Central America.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. On the discretionary CapEx, I would say that we're expecting in the ballpark of around 600 or so sites to be built, new tower builds this year, most of those in Central America, and a reasonable amount in Tanzania as well. That's maybe slightly up from what we had previously assumed, which contributes to the discretionary CapEx increase. Your second question, and I apologize if I got this a little bit mixed up. I think you're asking the status across our international markets of a 4G to 5G transition. Is that correct?
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. On the discretionary CapEx, I would say that we're expecting in the ballpark of around 600 or so sites to be built, new tower builds this year, most of those in Central America, and a reasonable amount in Tanzania as well. That's maybe slightly up from what we had previously assumed, which contributes to the discretionary CapEx increase. Your second question, and I apologize if I got this a little bit mixed up. I think you're asking the status across our international markets of a 4G to 5G transition. Is that correct?
Speaker #2: And a reasonable amount in Tanzania as well, so that's maybe slightly up from what we had previously assumed, which contributes to the discretionary capex increase.
Speaker #2: And then, your second question—and I apologize if I got this a little bit mixed up—I think you're asking about the status across our international markets of the 4G to 5G transition.
Speaker #2: Is that correct?
Speaker #4: That's right. Yep.
Cameron McVeigh: That's right. Yep.
Cameron McVeigh: That's right. Yep.
Speaker #2: Yeah. So many of our markets do not actually have 5G service outside of the core central urban areas. And that allows a great opportunity for us to see incremental spending and amendment activity to upgrade those networks over the coming years.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. Many of our markets do not actually have 5G service outside of the core central urban areas, and that allows a great opportunity for us to see incremental spending and amendment activity to upgrade those networks over the coming years. I don't have a percentage for you offline. We can probably get you something to give you a ballpark on that, but it's fairly low. It's certainly well behind the US. I would say if you were looking at it in terms of years, it's at least five years, maybe more, behind the US in terms of development for our average LATAM and African market.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. Many of our markets do not actually have 5G service outside of the core central urban areas, and that allows a great opportunity for us to see incremental spending and amendment activity to upgrade those networks over the coming years. I don't have a percentage for you offline. We can probably get you something to give you a ballpark on that, but it's fairly low. It's certainly well behind the US. I would say if you were looking at it in terms of years, it's at least five years, maybe more, behind the US in terms of development for our average LATAM and African market.
Speaker #2: I don't have a percentage for you offhand. We can probably get you something to give you a ballpark on that, but it's fairly low.
Speaker #2: It's certainly well behind the U.S., I would say. If you're looking at it in terms of years, it's at least five years, maybe more, behind the U.S. in terms of development for our average LATAM and African market.
Speaker #4: Got it. Thank you.
Cameron McVeigh: Got it. Thank you.
Cameron McVeigh: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next caller, David Bardin with New Street Research, your line is unmuted. You may please go ahead.
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Speaker #6: Hey guys, this is Ryan Smith on for Dave. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple of quick ones here. Going back to the DISH lawsuit, EchoStar believes that the bankruptcy code entitles them to haircut the claims by 85%.
Ryan Smyth: Hey, guys. This is Ryan Smyth for Dave. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple of quick ones here. Going back to the DISH lawsuit, like, EchoStar believes that the bankruptcy code entitles them to haircut the claims by 85%. Where do you guys land on that? Separately, just with the escrow fund being finalized there, is there anything that's come across with that that changes your view on fighting it out in court versus settling? Thanks.
Ryan Smyth: Hey, guys. This is Ryan Smyth for Dave. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple of quick ones here. Going back to the DISH lawsuit, like, EchoStar believes that the bankruptcy code entitles them to haircut the claims by 85%. Where do you guys land on that? Separately, just with the escrow fund being finalized there, is there anything that's come across with that that changes your view on fighting it out in court versus settling? Thanks.
Speaker #6: And where do you guys land on that? And then separately, just with the escrow fund being finalized there, is there anything that's come across with that that changes your view on fighting it out in court versus settling?
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I mean, we obviously vehemently disagree with their claims of the cap, and we will fight that as we currently are. I think we're pretty well aligned with the rest of the industry and the counterparties that are involved in this.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I mean, we obviously vehemently disagree with their claims of the cap, and we will fight that as we currently are. I think we're pretty well aligned with the rest of the industry and the counterparties that are involved in this. I don't want to say too much about something that's ongoing litigation. I am pleased that the FCC did make it clear that some of the games, frankly, that were being played by DISH, EchoStar around the fund, the escrow fund that was set up in terms of their rights to make claims there, that was shut down pretty quickly by the FCC, which we appreciate. We expect that we will be successful in our legal pursuits and that there will be plenty of funds available within that account to meet many of those obligations that we expect DISH will have to SBA.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I mean, we obviously vehemently disagree with their claims of the cap, and we will fight that as we currently are. I think we're pretty well aligned with the rest of the industry and the counterparties that are involved in this. I don't want to say too much about something that's ongoing litigation. I am pleased that the FCC did make it clear that some of the games, frankly, that were being played by DISH, EchoStar around the fund, the escrow fund that was set up in terms of their rights to make claims there, that was shut down pretty quickly by the FCC, which we appreciate. We expect that we will be successful in our legal pursuits and that there will be plenty of funds available within that account to meet many of those obligations that we expect DISH will have to SBA.
Speaker #2: I don't want to say too much about something that's ongoing litigation. I am pleased that the FCC did make it clear that some of the games, frankly, that were being played by Dish, Echostar, around the fund—the escrow fund that was set up in terms of their rights to make claims there—that that was shut down pretty quickly by the FCC, which we appreciate.
Speaker #2: But we expect that we will be successful in our legal pursuits and that there will be plenty of funds available within that account to meet many of those obligations that we expect Dish will have to SBA.
Speaker #6: Great. And then one more, if I can. Just with the recent DE auction, Verizon came out a winner there. As they deploy that spectrum, is that within your agreements? Is that something that you'll be able to monetize?
Ryan Smyth: Great. One more, if I can. Just with the recent DE auction, Verizon came out a winner there. As they deploy that spectrum, is that within your agreements, is that something that you'll be able to monetize?
Ryan Smyth: Great. One more, if I can. Just with the recent DE auction, Verizon came out a winner there. As they deploy that spectrum, is that within your agreements, is that something that you'll be able to monetize?
Speaker #2: Yes. Short answer, yes.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yes. Short answer, yes.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yes. Short answer, yes.
Speaker #6: Okay, great. Thanks very much—appreciate the time.
Ryan Smyth: Okay, great. Thanks very much. Appreciate the time.
Ryan Smyth: Okay, great. Thanks very much. Appreciate the time.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to the next caller. Matt Nicknum with Truist, your line is unmuted. Please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to the next caller, Matt Niknam with Truist. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to the next caller, Matt Niknam with Truist. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey, thanks so much for taking the question. Two quick ones, if I could. I guess, first on M&A — you only acquired about six sites in the quarter.
Matt Niknam: Hey, thanks so much for taking the question. Two quick ones if I could. I guess first on M&A. You only acquired about 6 sites in the quarter. I think it's the lowest we've seen in some time. Maybe if you could talk about the opportunities you're seeing on the M&A front. I understand that you may be a little bit more constructive on share buybacks. Just wondering whether the enhanced balance sheet flexibility accommodates more opportunity for M&A. Just secondly, how should we think about the cadence of new leasing in the US in H2 of the year, just given the relative consistency in application volumes and activity we've seen year to date? Thanks.
Matt Niknam: Hey, thanks so much for taking the question. Two quick ones if I could. I guess first on M&A. You only acquired about 6 sites in the quarter. I think it's the lowest we've seen in some time. Maybe if you could talk about the opportunities you're seeing on the M&A front. I understand that you may be a little bit more constructive on share buybacks. Just wondering whether the enhanced balance sheet flexibility accommodates more opportunity for M&A. Just secondly, how should we think about the cadence of new leasing in the US in H2 of the year, just given the relative consistency in application volumes and activity we've seen year to date? Thanks.
Speaker #7: I think that's the lowest we've seen in some time. Maybe if you could talk about the opportunities you're seeing on the M&A front. And I understand that you may be a little bit more constructive on share buybacks.
Speaker #7: Just wondering whether the enhanced balance sheet flexibility accommodates more opportunity for M&A. And then, just secondly, how should we think about the cadence of new leasing in the U.S. in the second half of the year?
Speaker #7: Just given the relative consistency and application volumes and activity you've seen year to date, thanks.
Speaker #2: Sure. On the M&A front, you should expect that we are looking at everything, as we always have, and we continue to do that. I mean, what really is being reflected here with the low number of sites that we've closed on—and the commentary on the buybacks, which you correctly put together—is just simply that, and this is mostly specific to the U.S., but the relative valuations for the limited number of assets that are available in the U.S. are, on average, at a much higher valuation than our own company is valued at, by a fairly significant margin.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure. On the M&A front, you should expect that we are looking at everything as we have always and continue to do that. I mean, what really is being reflected here with the low number of sites that we've closed on and the commentary on the buybacks, which you correctly put together, is just simply that, and this is mostly specific to the US, but the relative valuations for the limited number of assets that are available in the US are on average at a much higher valuation than our own company is valued at by a fairly significant margin. As a result, comparatively, in terms of using our resources for investment, we see our stock as a much better use of capital than paying up for dilutive deals, frankly.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure. On the M&A front, you should expect that we are looking at everything as we have always and continue to do that. I mean, what really is being reflected here with the low number of sites that we've closed on and the commentary on the buybacks, which you correctly put together, is just simply that, and this is mostly specific to the US, but the relative valuations for the limited number of assets that are available in the US are on average at a much higher valuation than our own company is valued at by a fairly significant margin. As a result, comparatively, in terms of using our resources for investment, we see our stock as a much better use of capital than paying up for dilutive deals, frankly.
Speaker #2: And so, as a result, comparatively, in terms of using our resources for investment, we see our stock as a much better use of capital than paying up for dilutive deals, frankly.
Speaker #2: However, there are opportunities that still come along, and where we think maybe we can add value, and I would expect that we will still be active in the M&A market when those opportunities arise.
Brendan Cavanagh: However, there are opportunities that still come along where we think maybe we can add value, and I would expect that we will still be active in the M&A market when those opportunities arise. On the new leasing cadence in the H2, if you look at our outlook that we provided in the revenue bridge that's in our press release, you look at the range that we provided, at the midpoint of the range for new leasing contributions in the US, you'll note that based on the actual results of the H1 of the year, it implies a lesser contribution in the H2 of the year. That's kind of been the expectation throughout the year. Nothing is really different than what we expected. We didn't change that outlook at all.
Brendan Cavanagh: However, there are opportunities that still come along where we think maybe we can add value, and I would expect that we will still be active in the M&A market when those opportunities arise. On the new leasing cadence in the H2, if you look at our outlook that we provided in the revenue bridge that's in our press release, you look at the range that we provided, at the midpoint of the range for new leasing contributions in the US, you'll note that based on the actual results of the H1 of the year, it implies a lesser contribution in the H2 of the year. That's kind of been the expectation throughout the year. Nothing is really different than what we expected. We didn't change that outlook at all.
Speaker #2: On the new leasing cadence in the second half, if you look at our outlook that we provided in the revenue bridge that's in our press release, and you look at the range that we provided, at the midpoint of the range for new leasing contributions in the U.S., you'll note that based on the actual results of the first half of the year, it implies a lesser contribution in the second half of the year.
Speaker #2: That's kind of been the expectation throughout the year, so nothing is really different than what we expected. We didn't change that outlook at all.
Speaker #2: But based on a little bit of a slowdown coming out of last year and into this year, and although it's been steady this year, that flows through with it being a little bit higher in the first half of the year and a little bit lower in the second half of the year.
Brendan Cavanagh: Based on a little bit of a slowdown coming out of last year and into this year, and although it's been steady this year, that flows through with it being a little bit higher in the H1 of the year and a little bit lower in the H2 of the year. That's still our expectation. Nothing has happened to change that for this year.
Brendan Cavanagh: Based on a little bit of a slowdown coming out of last year and into this year, and although it's been steady this year, that flows through with it being a little bit higher in the H1 of the year and a little bit lower in the H2 of the year. That's still our expectation. Nothing has happened to change that for this year.
Speaker #2: So that's still our expectation. Nothing has happened to change that for this year.
Speaker #7: Great. Thank you.
Matt Niknam: Great. Thank you.
Matt Niknam: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #2: You're welcome.
Brendan Cavanagh: You're welcome.
Brendan Cavanagh: You're welcome.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next caller, Eric Lucha with Wells Fargo, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to our next caller, Eric Luebchow with Wells Fargo. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next caller, Eric Luebchow with Wells Fargo. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Great, thanks for taking the question. Brendan, I think you alluded to the fact that the majority of your activity levels today are coming from colos versus amendments.
Eric Luebchow: Great. Thanks for taking the question. Brendan, I think you alluded to the fact the majority of your activity levels today are coming from colos versus amendments. When do you think we'll start to see an uptick in amendment volumes? Is it next year with 600MHz for AT&T or lower C-band for T-Mobile? Are we largely waiting for some of the larger upcoming auctions, like upper C-band next year, to drive the next amendment cycle?
Eric Luebchow: Great. Thanks for taking the question. Brendan, I think you alluded to the fact the majority of your activity levels today are coming from colos versus amendments. When do you think we'll start to see an uptick in amendment volumes? Is it next year with 600MHz for AT&T or lower C-band for T-Mobile? Are we largely waiting for some of the larger upcoming auctions, like upper C-band next year, to drive the next amendment cycle?
Speaker #8: And when do you think we’ll start to see an uptick in amendment volumes? Is it next year with 600 megahertz for AT&T or lower C-band for T-Mobile, or are we largely waiting for some of the larger upcoming auctions, like upper C-band next year, to drive the next amendment cycle?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I think each of the things that you just mentioned would certainly drive more activity toward amendments, because they would each require either a replacement of the existing antennas with one that has a new radio embedded, or there would be incremental antennas added in some cases.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I think each of the things that you just mentioned would certainly drive more activity towards amendments because they would each require either a replacement of the existing antennas with one that has a new radio embedded, or there would be incremental antennas added in some cases. Those would all be in the form of amendments. I would expect that would be the nearer-term drivers, the two items that you just mentioned. Definitely longer term with some of these new spectrum bands that will come online over the coming years that we discussed in our prepared comments, I would think a lot of that initial activity would be in the form of amendments.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I think each of the things that you just mentioned would certainly drive more activity towards amendments because they would each require either a replacement of the existing antennas with one that has a new radio embedded, or there would be incremental antennas added in some cases. Those would all be in the form of amendments. I would expect that would be the nearer-term drivers, the two items that you just mentioned. Definitely longer term with some of these new spectrum bands that will come online over the coming years that we discussed in our prepared comments, I would think a lot of that initial activity would be in the form of amendments.
Speaker #2: Those would all be in the form of amendments, so I would expect that would be the nearer-term drivers—the two items that you just mentioned.
Speaker #2: But definitely, longer-term, with some of these new spectrum bands that will come online over the coming years—as we discussed in our prepared comments—I would think a lot of that initial activity would be in the form of amendments.
Speaker #2: And there is usually a cycle where you have amendments, where you upgrade the existing network, and then there's kind of an effort where there's more colocations as there's some infill or densification of the network done for that newer spectrum band over time.
Brendan Cavanagh: There is usually a cycle where you have amendments where you upgrade the existing network, then there's kind of an effort where there's more co-locations as there's some infill or densification of the network done for that newer spectrum band over time. In this point in time, we're sort of in that phase for prior deployments, including C-band, lower C-band.
Brendan Cavanagh: There is usually a cycle where you have amendments where you upgrade the existing network, then there's kind of an effort where there's more co-locations as there's some infill or densification of the network done for that newer spectrum band over time. In this point in time, we're sort of in that phase for prior deployments, including C-band, lower C-band.
Speaker #2: And at this point in time, we're sort of in that phase for prior deployments, including C-band, lower C-band.
Speaker #8: Great, appreciate that. And just one follow-up for me. Could you maybe update us on international churn? I think you've talked about this being a peak year, but I believe there's still a chunk of Claro churn that could come.
Eric Luebchow: Great. Appreciate that. Just one follow-up for me. Could you maybe update us on international churn? I think you've talked about this being a peak year, I believe there's still a chunk of Claro churn that could come. Just trying to gauge the timing of when the international churn comes down back to a more normalized level. Thanks.
Eric Luebchow: Great. Appreciate that. Just one follow-up for me. Could you maybe update us on international churn? I think you've talked about this being a peak year, I believe there's still a chunk of Claro churn that could come. Just trying to gauge the timing of when the international churn comes down back to a more normalized level. Thanks.
Speaker #8: So, just trying to gauge the timing of when the international churn comes down back to a more normalized level. Thanks.
Speaker #2: Yeah, it's been elevated recently and probably remains elevated for at least a little while. We're in regular conversations with our customers, but the reality is there's been a decent amount of both consolidation and even bankruptcies in some of our international markets, particularly our largest international market.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. It's been elevated recently, probably remains elevated for at least a little while. We're in regular conversations with our customers, the reality is there's been a decent amount of both consolidation and even bankruptcies in some of our international markets, particularly our largest international market. That's had an impact on the international churn. In any case, our focus is on working out agreements with each of our largest customers, where we stabilize that through long-term arrangements, where they get something out of it that might be some rental relief that results in churn, that we get something out of it, too, which is a much more stabilized and consistent and reliable cash flow stream. It allows us to work together towards new growth opportunities as they deploy new spectrum bands. We're kind of in the midst of that.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. It's been elevated recently, probably remains elevated for at least a little while. We're in regular conversations with our customers, the reality is there's been a decent amount of both consolidation and even bankruptcies in some of our international markets, particularly our largest international market. That's had an impact on the international churn. In any case, our focus is on working out agreements with each of our largest customers, where we stabilize that through long-term arrangements, where they get something out of it that might be some rental relief that results in churn, that we get something out of it, too, which is a much more stabilized and consistent and reliable cash flow stream. It allows us to work together towards new growth opportunities as they deploy new spectrum bands. We're kind of in the midst of that.
Speaker #2: And so that's had an impact on the international churn. In any case, our focus is on working out agreements with each of our largest customers where we stabilize that through long-term arrangements—where they get something out of it that might be some rental relief that results in churn, but that we get something out of it too, which is a much more stabilized, consistent, and reliable cash flow stream.
Speaker #2: And it allows us to work together towards new growth opportunities as they deploy new spectrum bands. So we're kind of in the midst of that.
Speaker #2: I don't want to commit as it relates to next year, because, frankly, we're having a lot of those conversations today, and I don't know for sure what the timing will be.
Brendan Cavanagh: I don't want to commit as it relates to next year, because frankly, we're having a lot of those conversations today, I don't know for sure what the timing will be. I expect that we're nearing the end of this heightened international churn, mostly because we've gone through it with most of the customers and there's only a couple left.
Brendan Cavanagh: I don't want to commit as it relates to next year, because frankly, we're having a lot of those conversations today, I don't know for sure what the timing will be. I expect that we're nearing the end of this heightened international churn, mostly because we've gone through it with most of the customers and there's only a couple left.
Speaker #2: But I expect that we're nearing the end of this heightened international churn, mostly because we've gone through it with most of the customers, and there are only a couple left.
Speaker #8: Great. Thank you.
Eric Luebchow: Great. Thank you.
Eric Luebchow: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next question, Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to our next question, Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next question, Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. I just have two as well. First, just with the IG senior notes that you issued to pay down the 2024s and the revolver, I was just wondering if you could give us a sense of what the net interest savings are going to be, and how we should think about interest going forward.
Michael Ng: Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. I just have two as well. First, just with the IG senior notes that you issued to pay down the 2024s and the revolver, I was just wondering if you could give us a sense of what the net interest savings are going to be and how we should think about interest going forward. Second, just in the US, I was just wondering if you could talk about some of the factors that would push you more towards a holistic agreement or an a la carte agreement as you go through those MLAs that come up over the next couple of years. Thank you.
Michael Ng: Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. I just have two as well. First, just with the IG senior notes that you issued to pay down the 2024s and the revolver, I was just wondering if you could give us a sense of what the net interest savings are going to be and how we should think about interest going forward. Second, just in the US, I was just wondering if you could talk about some of the factors that would push you more towards a holistic agreement or an a la carte agreement as you go through those MLAs that come up over the next couple of years. Thank you.
Speaker #9: And then second, just in the US, I was just wondering if you could talk about some of the factors that would push you more towards a holistic agreement or an à la carte agreement as you go through those MLAs that come up over the next couple of years.
Speaker #9: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Sure. On the bond, I think we gave all the details that you can look at for each of the specific tranches of notes and what the interest rates are.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure. On the bond, I think we gave all the details that you can look at for each of the specific tranche of notes and what the interest rates are. You can basically do the math on what that will be going forward. When you talk about in terms of savings, unfortunately, we're refinancing debt that is, generally speaking, less expensive or will be in the future. It's really a matter of savings against what the alternative might be. I think as an IG issuer, we're getting a better interest rate today than we could get if we weren't. There are savings, but we're in an overall higher interest rate environment than we were when we put in place some of the debt instruments that will be coming due now and in the next several years.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure. On the bond, I think we gave all the details that you can look at for each of the specific tranche of notes and what the interest rates are. You can basically do the math on what that will be going forward. When you talk about in terms of savings, unfortunately, we're refinancing debt that is, generally speaking, less expensive or will be in the future. It's really a matter of savings against what the alternative might be. I think as an IG issuer, we're getting a better interest rate today than we could get if we weren't. There are savings, but we're in an overall higher interest rate environment than we were when we put in place some of the debt instruments that will be coming due now and in the next several years.
Speaker #2: And so you can basically do the math on what that will be going forward. When you talk about, in terms of savings, unfortunately we're refinancing debt that is, generally speaking, less expensive—or will be in the future.
Speaker #2: So it's really a matter of savings against what the alternative might be. And I think, as an IG issuer, we're getting a better interest rate today than we could get if we weren't.
Speaker #2: So there are savings, but we're in an overall higher interest rate environment than we were when we put in place some of the debt instruments that will be coming due now and in the next several years.
Speaker #2: But it all should be very clear, and our guys can walk through that with you, Michael, if you need any help on calculating the interest impacts going forward.
Brendan Cavanagh: It should all be very clear, and our guys can walk through that with you, Michael, if you need any help on calculating the interest impacts going forward. On the wholesale MLAs versus a la carte approach, the reality is we're sort of indifferent to the structure in and of itself. It really comes down to the specific terms. I think with the wholesale MLAs, we've done more of that recently than we had in the early days of our history, in part because we've had an evolution here where things are getting a little bit more mature. There's less customers, and there's a value that they see, and frankly, we see, in having some level of certainty, not only in price points, but also in how business flows, how we process things, how we can be helping them be more efficient in their deployments, which ultimately benefits us.
Brendan Cavanagh: It should all be very clear, and our guys can walk through that with you, Michael, if you need any help on calculating the interest impacts going forward. On the wholesale MLAs versus a la carte approach, the reality is we're sort of indifferent to the structure in and of itself. It really comes down to the specific terms. I think with the wholesale MLAs, we've done more of that recently than we had in the early days of our history, in part because we've had an evolution here where things are getting a little bit more mature. There's less customers, and there's a value that they see, and frankly, we see, in having some level of certainty, not only in price points, but also in how business flows, how we process things, how we can be helping them be more efficient in their deployments, which ultimately benefits us.
Speaker #2: On the wholesale MLAs versus à la carte approach, the reality is we're sort of indifferent to the structure in and of itself. It really comes down to the specific terms.
Speaker #2: I think with the wholesale MLAs, we've done more of that recently than we had in the early days of our history, in part because we've had an evolution here, where things are getting a little bit more mature.
Speaker #2: There are fewer customers, and there's a value that they see—and, frankly, that we see—in having some level of certainty, not only in price points but also in how business flows, how we process things, and how we can help them be more efficient in their deployments, which ultimately benefits us.
Speaker #2: And the easier we make business for them, I think that that benefits us. But having said all that, at the end of the day, if the terms are not something that we feel are in the best interest of our company or our shareholders, then we're fine doing it à la carte as well.
Brendan Cavanagh: That the easier we make business for them, I think that that benefits us. Having said all that, at the end of the day, if the terms are not something that we feel is in the best interest of our company or our shareholders, then we're fine doing it a la carte as well, and that's what we've done many times in the past. I would expect there will probably be a situation at some point where we have some carriers on MLAs and others that we are dealing with on an a la carte basis.
Brendan Cavanagh: That the easier we make business for them, I think that that benefits us. Having said all that, at the end of the day, if the terms are not something that we feel is in the best interest of our company or our shareholders, then we're fine doing it a la carte as well, and that's what we've done many times in the past. I would expect there will probably be a situation at some point where we have some carriers on MLAs and others that we are dealing with on an a la carte basis.
Speaker #2: And that's what we've done many times in the past, so I would expect that we'll probably be in a situation at some point where we have some carriers on MLAs and others that we are dealing with on an à la carte basis.
Speaker #9: Great. Thank you very much.
Michael Ng: Great. Thank you very much.
Michael Ng: Great. Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to the next question. Nick Beldeo with MoffettNathanson, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to the next question, Nick Del Deo with MoffettNathanson. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to the next question, Nick Del Deo with MoffettNathanson. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hey, thanks for taking my questions. First, Brendan, in your comments a few moments ago discussing satellite providers potentially deploying terrestrially, you said that we're very early in those conversations.
Nick Del Deo: Hey, thanks for taking my questions. First, Brendan, in your comments a few moments ago discussing satellite providers potentially deploying terrestrially, you said that we're very early in those conversations. Just to be clear, should we take that to mean that you've had exploratory discussions with satellite providers on that front?
Nick Del Deo: Hey, thanks for taking my questions. First, Brendan, in your comments a few moments ago discussing satellite providers potentially deploying terrestrially, you said that we're very early in those conversations. Just to be clear, should we take that to mean that you've had exploratory discussions with satellite providers on that front?
Speaker #9: Just to be clear, should we take that to mean that you've had exploratory discussions with satellite providers on that front?
Speaker #2: We have talked to many satellite providers, yes.
Brendan Cavanagh: We have talked to many satellite providers, yes.
Brendan Cavanagh: We have talked to many satellite providers, yes.
Speaker #9: Okay. Second, I was hoping to return to the edge compute idea. There are various concepts of how that might be deployed, whether it's a small fraction of a megawatt deployment at a host of different sites, or, call it single-digit megawatt, mini data centers at certain sites.
Nick Del Deo: Okay. Second, I was hoping to return to the edge computing idea. There are various concepts of how that might be deployed, whether it's kind of small fraction of a megawatt deployments at a host of different sites, or call it single-digit megawatt mini data centers at certain sites. Are the conversations you're having skewing more towards one architecture than another?
Nick Del Deo: Okay. Second, I was hoping to return to the edge computing idea. There are various concepts of how that might be deployed, whether it's kind of small fraction of a megawatt deployments at a host of different sites, or call it single-digit megawatt mini data centers at certain sites. Are the conversations you're having skewing more towards one architecture than another?
Speaker #9: Are the conversations you're having skewing more towards one architecture than another?
Speaker #2: Well, it depends on who we're talking to. Obviously, there are different thoughts depending on the potential customers that we're currently engaged with, and some have very specific plans and expectations.
Brendan Cavanagh: Well, depends on who we're talking to. Obviously, there are different thoughts depending on the potential customers that we're currently engaged with, and some have very specific plans and expectations, and they're not all exactly the same. On average, these would be smaller type of facilities. These would not be 1-megawatt facilities typically. That's something that is possible down the road, but really our tower sites are not set up today for that in terms of power availability specifically. We continue to work through what the needs are, and we're able to make adjustments and accommodations to help meet the needs of the customer based on what works for them. It'll continue to evolve, I'm sure, and we'll find the right balance between provide and what they need.
Brendan Cavanagh: Well, depends on who we're talking to. Obviously, there are different thoughts depending on the potential customers that we're currently engaged with, and some have very specific plans and expectations, and they're not all exactly the same. On average, these would be smaller type of facilities. These would not be 1-megawatt facilities typically. That's something that is possible down the road, but really our tower sites are not set up today for that in terms of power availability specifically. We continue to work through what the needs are, and we're able to make adjustments and accommodations to help meet the needs of the customer based on what works for them. It'll continue to evolve, I'm sure, and we'll find the right balance between provide and what they need.
Speaker #2: And they're not all exactly the same. But on average, these would be smaller-type facilities; these would not typically be one-megawatt facilities.
Speaker #2: That's something that is possible down the road. But really, our tower sites are not set up today for that, in terms of power availability specifically.
Speaker #2: But we continue to work through what the needs are, and we're able to make adjustments and accommodations to help meet the needs of the customer, based on what works for them.
Speaker #2: So it'll continue to evolve, I'm sure. And we'll find the right balance between what we provide and what they need.
Speaker #9: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Nick Del Deo: Okay, great. Thank you.
Nick Del Deo: Okay, great. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Brendan Cavanagh: Sure.
Speaker #1: Moving to our next question, Ari Kline with BMO Capital Markets, your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator 5: Moving to our next question, Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Operator: Moving to our next question, Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is unmuted. You can please go ahead.
Ari Klein: Thanks. You have some flexibility on the balance sheet, noted you can take leverage to seven times, curious if you'd push up to the top end of that range with your repurchases. Are you more likely to stay kind of in the mid six range?
Ari Klein: Thanks. You have some flexibility on the balance sheet, noted you can take leverage to seven times, curious if you'd push up to the top end of that range with your repurchases. Are you more likely to stay kind of in the mid six range?
Speaker #4: Thanks. You have some flexibility on the balance sheet, noting you can take leverage to seven times. But I'm curious if you'd push up to the top end of that range with your repurchases, or are you more likely to stay in the mid-six range?
Speaker #2: Yeah, we have flexibility, as you said. And the good news is that we're producing a lot of free cash flow as well. So, we actually have flexibility that doesn't even have a major impact on our leverage.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. We have flexibility, as you said. The good news is that we're producing a lot of free cash flow as well. We actually have flexibility that doesn't even have a major impact on our leverage. I would expect us to try to be more towards the middle of our target range over time, if we saw an opportunity where we could be opportunistic around some dislocation that we thought didn't make any sense, perhaps you would see us temporarily bring leverage up a little bit closer to the high end.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. We have flexibility, as you said. The good news is that we're producing a lot of free cash flow as well. We actually have flexibility that doesn't even have a major impact on our leverage. I would expect us to try to be more towards the middle of our target range over time, if we saw an opportunity where we could be opportunistic around some dislocation that we thought didn't make any sense, perhaps you would see us temporarily bring leverage up a little bit closer to the high end.
Speaker #2: I would expect us to try to be more towards the middle of our target range over time. But if we saw an opportunity where we could be opportunistic around some dislocation that we thought didn't make any sense, then perhaps you would see us temporarily bring leverage up a little bit closer to the high end.
Speaker #4: Thanks. And then maybe just following up on the Edge questions—any color that you can provide on the types of customers that are looking at it?
Ari Klein: Thanks. Maybe just following up on the edge questions. Any color that you can provide on the types of customers that are looking at it? Then just curious to what percentage of your portfolio or US portfolio you think could ultimately accommodate edge data centers.
Ari Klein: Thanks. Maybe just following up on the edge questions. Any color that you can provide on the types of customers that are looking at it? Then just curious to what percentage of your portfolio or US portfolio you think could ultimately accommodate edge data centers.
Speaker #4: And then, just curious, what percentage of your portfolio or U.S. portfolio do you think could ultimately accommodate edge data centers or just benefit from it?
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah
Ari Klein: benefit from it.
Ari Klein: benefit from it.
Speaker #2: Yeah. I don't really want to say too much for competitive reasons. I don't want to say too much about the specific customers today.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I don't really want to say too much, for competitive reasons, I don't want to say too much about the specific customers today. That is something that we will certainly talk more about if it develops, as I expect that it will. In terms of our portfolio, the types of things that we're looking at today, I would say roughly half, just about half of our portfolio in the US, would be well-suited for the type of uses that we're discussing with some of these parties today.
Brendan Cavanagh: Yeah. I don't really want to say too much, for competitive reasons, I don't want to say too much about the specific customers today. That is something that we will certainly talk more about if it develops, as I expect that it will. In terms of our portfolio, the types of things that we're looking at today, I would say roughly half, just about half of our portfolio in the US, would be well-suited for the type of uses that we're discussing with some of these parties today.
Speaker #2: But that is something that we will certainly talk more about if it develops as I expect that it will. In terms of our portfolio, the types of things that we're looking at today, I would say roughly half—just about half—of our portfolio is in the US.
Speaker #2: It would be well suited for the types of uses that we're discussing with some of these parties today.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Ari Klein: Thank you.
Ari Klein: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Okay, that concludes all of the questions in our queue. With that, I'll turn it back over for closing comments.
Operator 5: Okay. That concludes all of the questions in our queue. With that, I'll turn it back over for closing comments.
Operator: Okay. That concludes all of the questions in our queue. With that, I'll turn it back over for closing comments.
Speaker #2: Great. Well, thank you all for taking the time tonight. We appreciate it, and we look forward to reporting our third quarter results next quarter.
Brendan Cavanagh: Great. Well, thank you all for taking the time tonight, and we appreciate it. We look forward to reporting our Q3 results next quarter. Thank you again.
Brendan Cavanagh: Great. Well, thank you all for taking the time tonight, and we appreciate it. We look forward to reporting our Q3 results next quarter. Thank you again.
Speaker #2: So thank you again.
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