Q2 2026 Las Vegas Sands Corp Earnings Call
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Speaker #3: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sands second quarter 2026 earnings call. At this time, all participants have been placed on listen-only mode.
Operator 1: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sands Q2 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. We will open the floor for your questions and comments following the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Mr. Daniel Briggs, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Sands. Sir, the floor is yours.
Operator: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sands Q2 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. We will open the floor for your questions and comments following the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Mr. Daniel Briggs, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Sands. Sir, the floor is yours.
Speaker #3: We will open the floor for your questions and comments following the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Mr. Daniel Briggs, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Sands.
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Speaker #4: Thank you, Paul. Joining the call today are Patrick Dumont, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Dr. Wilfred Wong, President of Sands China; and Grant Chum, Chief Executive Officer of Sands China and Executive Vice President of Asia Operations. Today's conference call will contain forward-looking statements.
Daniel Briggs: Thank you, Paul. Joining the call today are Patrick Dumont, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Wilfred Wong, Executive Vice Chairman of Sands China, and Grant Chum, CEO and President of Sands China and EVP of Asia Operations. Today's conference call will contain forward-looking statements. We will be making those statements under the safe harbor provision of federal securities laws. The language on forward-looking statements included in our press release also applies to our comments made on the call today. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results reflected in those forward-looking statements. We'll discuss non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measure are included in our press release. We have posted an earnings presentation on our website. We will refer to that presentation during the call.
Daniel Briggs: Thank you, Paul. Joining the call today are Patrick Dumont, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Wilfred Wong, Executive Vice Chairman of Sands China, and Grant Chum, CEO and President of Sands China and EVP of Asia Operations. Today's conference call will contain forward-looking statements. We will be making those statements under the safe harbor provision of federal securities laws. The language on forward-looking statements included in our press release also applies to our comments made on the call today. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results reflected in those forward-looking statements. We'll discuss non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measure are included in our press release. We have posted an earnings presentation on our website. We will refer to that presentation during the call.
Speaker #4: We will be making those statements under the safe harbor provisions of federal securities laws. The language on forward-looking statements included in our press release also applies to our comments made on the call today.
Speaker #4: The company's actual results may differ materially from the results reflected in those forward-looking statements. We will discuss non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measure are included in our press release.
Speaker #4: We have posted an earnings presentation on our website. We will refer to that presentation during the call. Finally, for the Q&A session, we ask those interested to please post one question and one follow-up question, so we can allow everyone the opportunity to participate.
Daniel Briggs: For the Q&A session, we ask those with interest to please pose one question and one follow-up question so we might allow everyone with interest the opportunity to participate. This presentation is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Patrick.
Daniel Briggs: For the Q&A session, we ask those with interest to please pose one question and one follow-up question so we might allow everyone with interest the opportunity to participate. This presentation is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Patrick.
Speaker #4: This presentation is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Patrick.
Speaker #5: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. I just want to start off by saying our strategic priorities remain clear and consistent.
Patrick Dumont: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. I just want to start off by saying our strategic priorities remain clear and consistent. We will continue to invest with discipline with the fundamental objective of creating meaningful shareholder returns over the long term. Turning to our current quarter, we again delivered strong financial results at Marina Bay Sands in Singapore, generating EBITDA of $689 million for the quarter. If we had held as expected in our rolling play, our EBITDA would have been $37 million lower or $652 million. That performance was achieved despite the seasonally softer tourism demand that exists in both Singapore and Macau in Q2 of each calendar year. There's another factor to note. There was a decrease in visitation to both Marina Bay Sands and our Macau properties by our high-value patrons during the World Cup football tournament.
Patrick Dumont: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. I just want to start off by saying our strategic priorities remain clear and consistent. We will continue to invest with discipline with the fundamental objective of creating meaningful shareholder returns over the long term. Turning to our current quarter, we again delivered strong financial results at Marina Bay Sands in Singapore, generating EBITDA of $689 million for the quarter. If we had held as expected in our rolling play, our EBITDA would have been $37 million lower or $652 million. That performance was achieved despite the seasonally softer tourism demand that exists in both Singapore and Macau in Q2 of each calendar year. There's another factor to note. There was a decrease in visitation to both Marina Bay Sands and our Macau properties by our high-value patrons during the World Cup football tournament.
Speaker #5: We will continue to invest with discipline, with the fundamental objective of creating meaningful shareholder returns over the long term. Turning to our current quarter, we again delivered strong financial results at the Marina Bay Sands in Singapore.
Speaker #5: Generating EBITDA of $689 million for the quarter. If we had held as expected in our rolling play, our EBITDA would have been $37 million lower, or $652 million.
Speaker #5: That performance was achieved despite the seasonally softer tourism demand that exists in both Singapore and Macau in the second quarter of each calendar year.
Speaker #5: There's another factor to note. It was the decrease in visitation to both Marina Bay Sands and our Macau properties by our high-value patrons during the World Cup football tournament.
Speaker #5: It was very noticeable in June, given the trajectory of the businesses and both markets earlier in the quarter. Despite these headwinds, mass gaming revenues at Marina Bay Sands grew 5% for the quarter compared to the second quarter of 2025, which highlights the resilience and underlying strength of the business.
Patrick Dumont: It was very noticeable in June, given the trajectory of the businesses in both markets earlier in the quarter. Despite these headwinds, mass gaming revenues of Marina Bay Sands grew 5% for the quarter compared to Q2 2025, which highlights the resilience and underlying strength of the business. Singapore remains an ideal market for high-value tourism spending. Our focus on creating unique and memorable entertainment and hospitality experiences for our guests continues to generate outstanding financial performance. Our results this quarter reinforce our view that Marina Bay Sands' structural earnings power has been elevated following our significant product investments, suite renovations, service enhancements, and the successful execution of our premium customer strategy.
Patrick Dumont: It was very noticeable in June, given the trajectory of the businesses in both markets earlier in the quarter. Despite these headwinds, mass gaming revenues of Marina Bay Sands grew 5% for the quarter compared to Q2 2025, which highlights the resilience and underlying strength of the business. Singapore remains an ideal market for high-value tourism spending. Our focus on creating unique and memorable entertainment and hospitality experiences for our guests continues to generate outstanding financial performance. Our results this quarter reinforce our view that Marina Bay Sands' structural earnings power has been elevated following our significant product investments, suite renovations, service enhancements, and the successful execution of our premium customer strategy.
Speaker #5: Singapore remains an ideal market for high-value tourism spending, and our focus on creating unique and memorable entertainment and hospitality experiences for our guests continues to generate outstanding financial performance.
Speaker #5: Our results this quarter reinforce our view that Marina Bay Sands' structural earnings power has been elevated following our significant product investments, suite renovations, service enhancements, and the successful execution of our premium customer strategy.
Speaker #5: We remain confident that our market-leading product, service, and focus on driving high-value tourism will enable us to create unrivaled hospitality experiences for the world’s most discerning customers and deliver additional growth at Marina Bay Sands in the years ahead.
Patrick Dumont: We remain confident that our market-leading product, service, and focus on driving high-value tourism will enable us to create unrivaled hospitality experiences for the world's most discerning customers and deliver additional growth at Marina Bay Sands in the years ahead. As I shared last quarter, the company's fundamental operating strategy relies on three critical pillars: our people, our product, and our service. When we get these three pillars optimized as we have in Marina Bay Sands, we are positioned to drive high-value tourism to the market and to create outstanding financial and operating performance. We remain excited about the growth opportunities presented by the Marina Bay Sands expansion. The expansion will meaningfully increase our premium suite capacity, service and entertainment offerings, including the debut of a state-of-the-art arena envisioned to be the finest in Asia.
Patrick Dumont: We remain confident that our market-leading product, service, and focus on driving high-value tourism will enable us to create unrivaled hospitality experiences for the world's most discerning customers and deliver additional growth at Marina Bay Sands in the years ahead. As I shared last quarter, the company's fundamental operating strategy relies on three critical pillars: our people, our product, and our service. When we get these three pillars optimized as we have in Marina Bay Sands, we are positioned to drive high-value tourism to the market and to create outstanding financial and operating performance. We remain excited about the growth opportunities presented by the Marina Bay Sands expansion. The expansion will meaningfully increase our premium suite capacity, service and entertainment offerings, including the debut of a state-of-the-art arena envisioned to be the finest in Asia.
Speaker #5: As I shared last quarter, the company's fundamental operating strategy relies on three critical pillars: our people, our product, and our service. When we get these three pillars optimized, as we have in Marina Bay Sands, we are positioned to drive high-value tourism to the market and to create outstanding financial and operating performance.
Speaker #5: We remain excited about the growth opportunity presented by the Marina Bay Sands expansion. The expansion will meaningfully increase our premium suite capacity, service, and entertainment offerings, including the debut of a state-of-the-art arena envisioned to be the finest in Asia.
Speaker #5: We remain on track with the development process and look forward to opening the expansion early in 2031, subject to the required government approvals. Now, let's turn to Macau.
Patrick Dumont: We remain on track with the development process and look forward to opening the expansion early in 2031, subject to the required government approvals. Now let's turn to Macau. Our $430 million in EBITDA for the quarter was negatively impacted by the exceptionally low VIP rolling hold of 1.35% for the quarter. If we had held as expected our rolling play, our EBITDA would have been $87 million higher or $517 million for the quarter. The actions that we have taken to improve our service levels and the customer experience are clearly achieving some early success. We are encouraged by our progress during Q2. Sands China's growth in gaming volumes meaningfully exceeded the growth in gaming volumes in the Macau market overall. When compared to Q2 2025, we delivered strong growth in gaming volumes in all segments.
Patrick Dumont: We remain on track with the development process and look forward to opening the expansion early in 2031, subject to the required government approvals. Now let's turn to Macau. Our $430 million in EBITDA for the quarter was negatively impacted by the exceptionally low VIP rolling hold of 1.35% for the quarter. If we had held as expected our rolling play, our EBITDA would have been $87 million higher or $517 million for the quarter. The actions that we have taken to improve our service levels and the customer experience are clearly achieving some early success. We are encouraged by our progress during Q2. Sands China's growth in gaming volumes meaningfully exceeded the growth in gaming volumes in the Macau market overall. When compared to Q2 2025, we delivered strong growth in gaming volumes in all segments.
Speaker #5: Our $430 million in EBITDA for the quarter was negatively impacted by the exceptionally low VIP rolling hold of 1.35% for the quarter. If we had held as expected in our rolling play, our EBITDA would have been $87 million higher, or $517 million for the quarter.
Speaker #5: The actions that we have taken to improve our service levels and the customer experience are clearly achieving some early success. We are encouraged by our progress during the second quarter.
Speaker #5: Sands China's growth in gaming volumes meaningfully exceeded the growth in gaming volumes in the Macau market overall. When compared to the second quarter of 2025, we delivered strong growth in gaming volumes in all segments.
Speaker #5: Our rolling volume was up 73% year over year. Our non-rolling drop was up 15% year over year. And our slotting EPG handle was up 30% year over year.
Patrick Dumont: Our rolling volume was up 73% year-over-year. Our non-rolling drop was up 15% year-over-year, and our slot and EPG handle was up 30% year-over-year. Sands China's mass gross gaming revenue grew 8% for the quarter year-over-year, twice as fast as the overall market's 4% mass GGR growth for the quarter. Sands China's total GGR grew by 4% for the quarter compared to Q2 2025, while the Macau market's total gross gaming revenue was flat for the quarter. If we had held as expected our rolling play, Sands China's total GGR growth would have been 14% year-over-year. Sands China's VIP rolling chip volume share reached a market-leading 26% in the quarter. Turning to our reinvestment strategy, we have been optimizing reinvestment levels since the beginning of the year.
Patrick Dumont: Our rolling volume was up 73% year-over-year. Our non-rolling drop was up 15% year-over-year, and our slot and EPG handle was up 30% year-over-year. Sands China's mass gross gaming revenue grew 8% for the quarter year-over-year, twice as fast as the overall market's 4% mass GGR growth for the quarter. Sands China's total GGR grew by 4% for the quarter compared to Q2 2025, while the Macau market's total gross gaming revenue was flat for the quarter. If we had held as expected our rolling play, Sands China's total GGR growth would have been 14% year-over-year. Sands China's VIP rolling chip volume share reached a market-leading 26% in the quarter. Turning to our reinvestment strategy, we have been optimizing reinvestment levels since the beginning of the year.
Speaker #5: Sandshine's mass gross gaming revenue grew 8% for the quarter year over year, twice as fast as the overall market's 4% mass GGR growth for the quarter.
Speaker #5: Sands China's total GGR grew by 4% for the quarter compared to the second quarter of 2025, while the Macau market's total gross gaming revenue was flat for the quarter.
Speaker #5: If we had held as expected in our rolling play, Sandshine’s total GDR growth would have been 14% year over year. Sandshine’s VIP rolling ship volume share reached a market-leading 26% in the quarter.
Speaker #5: Turning to our reinvestment strategy, we have been optimizing reinvestment levels since the beginning of the year. I wanted to highlight that our approach to reinvestment has remained consistent over the last several quarters.
Patrick Dumont: I wanted to highlight our approach to reinvestment has remained consistent over the last several quarters. Our approach has not changed. If you look at the metrics, reinvestment as a percentage of revenue did increase during this quarter. The increase as a percentage of revenue was driven by changes in business mix and lower hold percentage on our non-rolling play. Our goal is to remain consistent with our reinvestment strategy going forward and to achieve greater profitability as revenues grow in the future. With respect to operating expenses, we have elected over the last year to invest in additional table operating hours, increase sales, marketing, and customer service personnel, and enhance levels of customer service. The increased investment in operating expenses related to our efforts should begin to level off in H2 2026.
Patrick Dumont: I wanted to highlight our approach to reinvestment has remained consistent over the last several quarters. Our approach has not changed. If you look at the metrics, reinvestment as a percentage of revenue did increase during this quarter. The increase as a percentage of revenue was driven by changes in business mix and lower hold percentage on our non-rolling play. Our goal is to remain consistent with our reinvestment strategy going forward and to achieve greater profitability as revenues grow in the future. With respect to operating expenses, we have elected over the last year to invest in additional table operating hours, increase sales, marketing, and customer service personnel, and enhance levels of customer service. The increased investment in operating expenses related to our efforts should begin to level off in H2 2026.
Speaker #5: Our approach has not changed. If you look at the metrics, reinvestment as a percentage of revenue did increase during this quarter. The increase as a percentage of revenue was driven by changes in business mix and lower hold percentage on our non-rolling play.
Speaker #5: Our goal is to continue to remain consistent with our reinvestment strategy going forward, and to achieve greater profitability as revenues grow in the future.
Speaker #5: With respect to operating expenses, we have elected over the last year to invest in additional table operating hours, increase sales, marketing, and customer service personnel, and enhance levels of customer service.
Speaker #5: The increased investment in operating expenses related to our efforts should begin to level off in the second half of 2026. These investments are critical to the achievement of our long-term objectives of being able to service our customers to the highest standards and to create unique and memorable hospitality experiences for our guests.
Patrick Dumont: These investments are critical to the achievement of our long-term objectives of being able to service our customers to the highest standards and to create unique and memorable hospitality experiences for our guests. We remain steadfast in our belief that successful execution of our initiatives will support growth in both revenue and profitability over time. The growth in the Macao market remains primarily driven by the premium segment. The competition in that segment remains intense, and luxurious suite product coupled with outstanding service levels are critical to success. We remain singularly focused today on matching that suite and room product with the service levels that the most discerning and valuable customers in Macao increasingly demand. We retain our goal of reaching $700 million in quarterly EBITDA and beyond over time as we fully implement our investment and operating strategies and as the Macao market grows in the future.
Patrick Dumont: These investments are critical to the achievement of our long-term objectives of being able to service our customers to the highest standards and to create unique and memorable hospitality experiences for our guests. We remain steadfast in our belief that successful execution of our initiatives will support growth in both revenue and profitability over time. The growth in the Macao market remains primarily driven by the premium segment. The competition in that segment remains intense, and luxurious suite product coupled with outstanding service levels are critical to success. We remain singularly focused today on matching that suite and room product with the service levels that the most discerning and valuable customers in Macao increasingly demand. We retain our goal of reaching $700 million in quarterly EBITDA and beyond over time as we fully implement our investment and operating strategies and as the Macao market grows in the future.
Speaker #5: We remain steadfast in our belief that successful execution of our initiatives will support growth in both revenue and profitability over time. Growth in the Macau market remains primarily driven by the premium segment.
Speaker #5: The competition in that segment remains intense, and a luxurious suite product coupled with outstanding service levels are critical to success. We remain singularly focused today on matching that suite and room product with the service levels that the most discerning and valuable customers in Macau increasingly demand.
Speaker #5: We retain our goal of reaching $700 million in quarterly EBITDA and beyond over time, as we fully implement our investment and operating strategies and as the Macau market grows in the future.
Speaker #5: I want to turn to the product pillar in Macau. As I highlighted last quarter, we are focused on investing in the highest-return projects over the next three years in order to create the best opportunities to increase cash flow.
Patrick Dumont: I want to turn to the product pillar in Macao. As I highlighted last quarter, we are focused on investing in the highest return projects over the next three years in order to create the best opportunities to increase cash flow. Renovation of The Venetian rooms and suites commenced in March and work is progressing. While we have some product coming back into inventory across the work period, our target is to have all 2,900 rooms and suites completely refurbished and reintroduced by Chinese New Year 2028. We will also introduce new premium-focused gaming salons and related amenities as a component of The Venetian investment program. The meaningful patron and volume growth we have seen in The Londoner and Grand Suites at Four Seasons provide support for these investments. It's important to note that the work we envision will not create significant disruption throughout the portfolio.
Patrick Dumont: I want to turn to the product pillar in Macao. As I highlighted last quarter, we are focused on investing in the highest return projects over the next three years in order to create the best opportunities to increase cash flow. Renovation of The Venetian rooms and suites commenced in March and work is progressing. While we have some product coming back into inventory across the work period, our target is to have all 2,900 rooms and suites completely refurbished and reintroduced by Chinese New Year 2028. We will also introduce new premium-focused gaming salons and related amenities as a component of The Venetian investment program. The meaningful patron and volume growth we have seen in The Londoner and Grand Suites at Four Seasons provide support for these investments. It's important to note that the work we envision will not create significant disruption throughout the portfolio.
Speaker #5: Renovation of the Venetian rooms and suites commenced in March, and work is progressing. While we have some product coming back into inventory across the work period, our target is to have all 2,900 rooms and suites completely refurbished and reintroduced by Chinese New Year 2028.
Speaker #5: We will also introduce new premium-focused gaming salons and related amenities as a component of the Venetian investment program. The meaningful patron volume growth we have seen in The Londoner and Grand Suites of Four Seasons provides support for these investments.
Speaker #5: It's important to note that the work we envision will not create significant disruption throughout the portfolio. The scale of our portfolio will allow us to serve customers in other properties and elsewhere in each resort while work is in progress.
Patrick Dumont: The scale of our portfolio will allow us to serve customers in other properties and elsewhere in each resort while work is in progress. Nothing we are doing as we invest in the portfolio over the next several years will hinder our ability to use our scale advantages to outperform in the non-premium segment should spending in that segment accelerate in the future. We will use our scale advantage and product advantage together with service level improvements and targeted incentives to effectively compete in every market. We expect growth in EBITDA and EBITDA margins as revenues grow over time. Turning to our program to return capital to shareholders, we repurchased $787 million of LVS stock during the quarter. We also paid our recurring quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share. We have now repurchased 16.3% of the company's outstanding shares over the last 11 quarters.
Patrick Dumont: The scale of our portfolio will allow us to serve customers in other properties and elsewhere in each resort while work is in progress. Nothing we are doing as we invest in the portfolio over the next several years will hinder our ability to use our scale advantages to outperform in the non-premium segment should spending in that segment accelerate in the future. We will use our scale advantage and product advantage together with service level improvements and targeted incentives to effectively compete in every market. We expect growth in EBITDA and EBITDA margins as revenues grow over time. Turning to our program to return capital to shareholders, we repurchased $787 million of LVS stock during the quarter. We also paid our recurring quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share. We have now repurchased 16.3% of the company's outstanding shares over the last 11 quarters.
Speaker #5: Nothing we are doing as we invest in the portfolio over the next several years will hinder our ability to use our scale advantages to outperform in the non-premium segment, should spending in that segment accelerate in the future.
Speaker #5: We will use our scale advantage and product advantage, together with service level improvements and targeted incentives, to effectively compete in every market. We expect growth in EBITDA and EBITDA margins as revenues grow over time.
Speaker #5: Turning to our program to return capital to shareholders, we repurchased $787 million of LVS stock during the quarter. We also paid our recurring quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share.
Speaker #5: We have now repurchased 16.3% of the company's outstanding shares over the last 11 quarters. Our board of directors recently increased our repurchase authorization to $6 billion.
Patrick Dumont: Our board of directors recently increased our repurchase authorization to $6 billion. We believe additional repurchases of LVS equity through our share repurchase program will be meaningfully accretive to the company and its shareholders over the long term. While we did not purchase any additional shares of SCL during this quarter, we do continue to see value in both the LVS and SCL names. The company's ownership of SCL remained at 74.8% as of 30 June 2026. We look forward to continuing to utilize the company's share repurchase program to increase returns to shareholders. Thanks again for joining the call today and for your interest in the company. Now let's take some questions.
Patrick Dumont: Our board of directors recently increased our repurchase authorization to $6 billion. We believe additional repurchases of LVS equity through our share repurchase program will be meaningfully accretive to the company and its shareholders over the long term. While we did not purchase any additional shares of SCL during this quarter, we do continue to see value in both the LVS and SCL names. The company's ownership of SCL remained at 74.8% as of 30 June 2026. We look forward to continuing to utilize the company's share repurchase program to increase returns to shareholders. Thanks again for joining the call today and for your interest in the company. Now let's take some questions.
Speaker #5: We believe additional repurchases of LVS equity through our share repurchase program will be meaningfully accretive to the company and its shareholders over the long term.
Speaker #5: While we did not purchase any additional shares of SCL during this quarter, we do continue to see value in both the LVS and SCL names.
Speaker #5: The company's ownership of SCL remained at 74.8% as of June 30, 2026. We look forward to continuing to utilize the company's share repurchase program to increase returns to shareholders.
Speaker #5: Thanks again for joining the call today, and for your interest in the company. Now, let's take some questions.
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Speaker #1: Please hold a minute while we pull for questions. And the first question today is coming from Lizzie Dove from Goldman Sachs. Lizzie, your line is live.
Speaker #3: Hey, thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to ask as it relates to, you know, performance, whether it be in Macau or Singapore, kind of, I guess, hard to kind of pass it out, but how much of it you think is kind of macro or consumer-driven?
Lizzie Dove: Hey, thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to ask as it relates to performance, whether it be in Macau or Singapore, I guess hard to parse it out, but how much of it you think is macro or consumer driven, to the extent there was also maybe some World Cup impact versus just execution or kind of missteps or investment needed in the property? I know there's probably a lot to unpack there, but any kind of details on that would be helpful.
Lizzie Dove: Hey, thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to ask as it relates to performance, whether it be in Macau or Singapore, I guess hard to parse it out, but how much of it you think is macro or consumer driven, to the extent there was also maybe some World Cup impact versus just execution or kind of missteps or investment needed in the property? I know there's probably a lot to unpack there, but any kind of details on that would be helpful.
Speaker #3: You know, to the extent there was also maybe some World Cup impact, versus just, you know, execution or kind of missteps, or investment needed in the property.
Speaker #3: And there is probably a lot to unpack there, but any kind of details on that would be helpful.
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure. First off, I just want to start out by saying this quarter doesn't represent the true earnings power of our properties at SCL.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah, sure. First off, I just want to start out by saying this quarter doesn't represent the true earnings power of our properties at SCL. Hold had an impact. World Cup had an impact. You mentioned investment for growth in the future. If you look at some of the things we've invested in recently, Londoner Grand, Londoner Court, what we've done at the Grand Suites at Four Seasons, the customers are there, and the productivity is there if the product is right and the service is right. We feel like our investment programs position us well for future growth. This quarter was not what we wanted to see. When you think about the 517, given the hold normalization, we feel pretty good about where we're headed, given the growth in volumes across all segments.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah, sure. First off, I just want to start out by saying this quarter doesn't represent the true earnings power of our properties at SCL. Hold had an impact. World Cup had an impact. You mentioned investment for growth in the future. If you look at some of the things we've invested in recently, Londoner Grand, Londoner Court, what we've done at the Grand Suites at Four Seasons, the customers are there, and the productivity is there if the product is right and the service is right. We feel like our investment programs position us well for future growth. This quarter was not what we wanted to see. When you think about the 517, given the hold normalization, we feel pretty good about where we're headed, given the growth in volumes across all segments.
Speaker #5: COVID had an impact. The World Cup had an impact. You mentioned investment for growth in the future. If you look at some of the things we've invested in recently—Londoner Grand, Londoner Court, what we've done at the Grand Suites at Four Seasons—the customers are there, and the productivity is there.
Speaker #5: If the product is right and the service is right, we feel like our investment programs position us well for future growth. This quarter was not what we wanted to see.
Speaker #5: But when you think about the $517 million, given the hold normalization, we feel pretty good about where we're headed, given the growth in volumes across all segments.
Speaker #5: To me, that's just a sign of the effect that the new service model is having—that we're now able to serve the highest level of patrons at a higher level.
Patrick Dumont: To me, that's just a signal of the effect that the new service model is taking, that we're now able to service the highest level patrons at a higher level. While we didn't get the hold that we wanted this quarter, the volumes were there, the visitation was there, and even though World Cup had an impact, we felt like we're headed in the right direction.
Patrick Dumont: To me, that's just a signal of the effect that the new service model is taking, that we're now able to service the highest level patrons at a higher level. While we didn't get the hold that we wanted this quarter, the volumes were there, the visitation was there, and even though World Cup had an impact, we felt like we're headed in the right direction.
Speaker #5: And so while we didn't get the hold that we wanted this quarter, the volumes were there, the visitation was there, and even though the World Cup had an impact, we felt like we're headed in the right direction.
Speaker #3: Got it. And then just one—oh, sorry. Go on.
Lizzie Dove: Got it. Oh, sorry, go on.
Lizzie Dove: Got it. Oh, sorry, go on.
Grant Chum: The market was tracking very well, in Macau in April and May. SCL, our gaming volumes were very strong. In fact, May was an all-time high for us in SCL in terms of monthly mass GGR. June was clearly softer, there was some impact from World Cup. As we look overall for the quarter, we see very strong underlying trends across all of our different gaming segments. VIP rolling segment, we were gaining share significantly during the quarter, up 73% year over year, whilst the market was flattish. In terms of our table games and non-rolling, we were impacted somewhat by the lower hold percentage, especially in June. In slot and ETG, we clearly outperformed the market with 21% revenue growth for the quarter.
Grant Chum: The market was tracking very well, in Macau in April and May. SCL, our gaming volumes were very strong. In fact, May was an all-time high for us in SCL in terms of monthly mass GGR. June was clearly softer, there was some impact from World Cup. As we look overall for the quarter, we see very strong underlying trends across all of our different gaming segments. VIP rolling segment, we were gaining share significantly during the quarter, up 73% year over year, whilst the market was flattish. In terms of our table games and non-rolling, we were impacted somewhat by the lower hold percentage, especially in June. In slot and ETG, we clearly outperformed the market with 21% revenue growth for the quarter.
Speaker #6: The market was tracking very well in Macau in April and May, and SCL—our gaming volumes were very strong. In fact, May was an all-time high for us in SCL in terms of monthly mass GGR.
Speaker #6: June was clearly softer, and there was some impact from the World Cup. But as we look overall for the quarter, we see very strong underlying trends across all of our different gaming segments, including the VIP rolling segment.
Speaker #6: We were gaining shares significantly during the quarter, up 73% year over year, while the market was flattish. In terms of our table games and non-rolling, we were impacted somewhat by the low hold percentage, especially in June.
Speaker #6: And then, in slot and ETG, we clearly outperformed the market with 21% revenue growth for the quarter. So overall, if you take account of the lower hold percentage in non-rolling and the business mix, we were able to achieve gains in every segment in the market share year over year, and remain consistent in terms of market share sequentially, with very similar reinvestment levels once you adjust for those hold percentage factors and business mix, sequentially.
Grant Chum: Overall, if you take account of the lower hold percentage in non-rolling and the business mix, we're able to achieve gains, in every segment in the market share year over year and remain consistent in terms of market share sequentially with very similar reinvestment levels, once you adjust for those hold percentage factors and business mix sequentially.
Grant Chum: Overall, if you take account of the lower hold percentage in non-rolling and the business mix, we're able to achieve gains, in every segment in the market share year over year and remain consistent in terms of market share sequentially with very similar reinvestment levels, once you adjust for those hold percentage factors and business mix sequentially.
Speaker #5: And I do want to come back to MBS as well. I just want to highlight that this was an incredibly powerful quarter in several of our segments, but the key is we were impacted by the World Cup there as well, given the high-value nature of our patrons.
Patrick Dumont: I do want to come back to MBS as well. I just want to highlight that this was an incredibly powerful quarter in several of our segments. The key is we were impacted by World Cup there as well, given the high-value nature of our patrons. I think as we look to that asset in the future, we see a very strong market, very strong visitation. For us, we're going to continue to invest there because we see the long-term potential of growth in Singapore given what we see today.
Patrick Dumont: I do want to come back to MBS as well. I just want to highlight that this was an incredibly powerful quarter in several of our segments. The key is we were impacted by World Cup there as well, given the high-value nature of our patrons. I think as we look to that asset in the future, we see a very strong market, very strong visitation. For us, we're going to continue to invest there because we see the long-term potential of growth in Singapore given what we see today.
Speaker #5: And, you know, I think as we look to that asset in the future, we see a very strong market, very strong visitation. And, you know, for us, we're going to continue to invest there because we see the long-term potential for growth in Singapore.
Speaker #5: Given what we see today.
Speaker #3: Got it. And just to follow up on that, and maybe just to stick with Macau for a second—I appreciate you said this is not where you want to be or could be.
Lizzie Dove: Got it. Just to follow up on that, maybe just to stick with Macau for a second. Appreciate you said this is not where you want to be or could be. I know in the past you've talked about $700 million in quarterly EBITDA. Last quarter, $600 million came into the mix, this is maybe a bit of a one-time quarter, but closer to $500 million on a hold-adjusted basis. I know you don't give guidance, is anything you're seeing in the market or on a company-specific basis changing how you think about what that right run rate is for Macau, at least over the next year or two?
Lizzie Dove: Got it. Just to follow up on that, maybe just to stick with Macau for a second. Appreciate you said this is not where you want to be or could be. I know in the past you've talked about $700 million in quarterly EBITDA. Last quarter, $600 million came into the mix, this is maybe a bit of a one-time quarter, but closer to $500 million on a hold-adjusted basis. I know you don't give guidance, is anything you're seeing in the market or on a company-specific basis changing how you think about what that right run rate is for Macau, at least over the next year or two?
Speaker #3: And I know in the past, you know, you’ve talked about $700 million in quarterly EBITDA. Last quarter, you know, then $600 million came into the mix, and now, I guess, you know, this is maybe a bit of a one-time quarter, but closer to $500 million on a hold-adjusted basis.
Speaker #3: And so I know you don't give guidance, but is anything you're seeing in the market or on a company-specific, you know, basis changing how you think about what that right run rate is for Macau, at least over the next kind of year or two?
Speaker #5: No, I think our target is still the $700 million. I think historically what we've always seen is that Q2 has always been our softest quarter.
Patrick Dumont: No, I think our target is still the $700 million. I think historically what we've always seen is that Q2 has always been our softest quarter. We talked about that at our last earnings call, that this quarter had some seasonality built into it. We saw that here. I also think that if we held better, we'd be having a little bit of a different discussion in certain things. I think for us, we look to the progress we're making in the market. If you look at the growth that we've had year over year, if you look at the fact that we did this through the World Cup cycle, I think there's some positive things there that we look to. I think our goal is still the $700 million.
Patrick Dumont: No, I think our target is still the $700 million. I think historically what we've always seen is that Q2 has always been our softest quarter. We talked about that at our last earnings call, that this quarter had some seasonality built into it. We saw that here. I also think that if we held better, we'd be having a little bit of a different discussion in certain things. I think for us, we look to the progress we're making in the market. If you look at the growth that we've had year over year, if you look at the fact that we did this through the World Cup cycle, I think there's some positive things there that we look to. I think our goal is still the $700 million.
Speaker #5: And so, you know, we talked about that at our last earnings call—that this quarter had some seasonality built into it. And so, we saw that here.
Speaker #5: But I also think that if we had held better, we'd be having a little bit of a different discussion on certain things. So, I think for us, we look to the progress we're making in the market.
Speaker #5: If you sort of look at the growth that we've had year over year, if you look at the fact that we did this through the World Cup cycle, I think there are some positive things there that we look to.
Speaker #5: And I think our goal is still the $700 million. I think we have some work to do to get there, but we feel like the process is in place for us to keep working to head in that direction.
Patrick Dumont: I think we have some work to do to get there, we feel like the process in place for us to keep working to head in that direction. We know what we need to do.
Patrick Dumont: I think we have some work to do to get there, we feel like the process in place for us to keep working to head in that direction. We know what we need to do.
Speaker #5: We know what we need to do.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Lizzie Dove: Thank you.
Lizzie Dove: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. The next question will be from Dan Poulitzer at JPMorgan. Dan, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Dan Politzer from JPMorgan Chase. Dan, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Dan Politzer from JPMorgan Chase. Dan, your line is live.
Dan Politzer: Hey. Good afternoon, and thanks for the question. First, I wanted to touch on Singapore. Obviously, you talked a bit about World Cup and seasonality there. Given where the property is, and I think we're kind of anniversary-ing that first big quarter there, do you feel like you're at a place where the property maybe reverts back to historical seasonality? Broadly, just in terms of the seasonality discussion, can you just remind us as how you think about it for Macau as well while we're on the topic?
Dan Politzer: Hey. Good afternoon, and thanks for the question. First, I wanted to touch on Singapore. Obviously, you talked a bit about World Cup and seasonality there. Given where the property is, and I think we're kind of anniversary-ing that first big quarter there, do you feel like you're at a place where the property maybe reverts back to historical seasonality? Broadly, just in terms of the seasonality discussion, can you just remind us as how you think about it for Macau as well while we're on the topic?
Speaker #7: Hey.
Speaker #6: Good afternoon, and thanks for the question. First, I wanted to touch on Singapore. Obviously, you talked a bit about World Cup and seasonality there.
Speaker #6: You know, given where the property is, and I think we're kind of anniversaring that first big quarter there, do you feel like you're at a place where the property maybe reverts back to historical seasonality?
Speaker #6: And broadly, just in terms of the seasonality discussion, can you just remind us how you think about it from a Macau perspective as well, while we're on the topic?
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure. I think what we said before is the big step function in growth in Singapore was the switch from the room product to the suite product.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah, sure. I think what we said before is the big step function growth in Singapore was the switch from the suite product from the room product. We went from 135 suites to 770. That was the step function in terms of our product pillar to be able to accommodate the substantial growth that you saw in run rate. We also added a significant service component, credit to the team there for revamping our service model, adding food and beverage, and of course, very importantly, the service levels on the casino floor as well as some of the novel games, as well as just the overall presentation. All those things came to bear that allowed us to have the growth that you saw.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah, sure. I think what we said before is the big step function growth in Singapore was the switch from the suite product from the room product. We went from 135 suites to 770. That was the step function in terms of our product pillar to be able to accommodate the substantial growth that you saw in run rate. We also added a significant service component, credit to the team there for revamping our service model, adding food and beverage, and of course, very importantly, the service levels on the casino floor as well as some of the novel games, as well as just the overall presentation. All those things came to bear that allowed us to have the growth that you saw.
Speaker #5: So we went from 135 suites to 770. And so that was the step function in terms of our product pillar to be able to accommodate the substantial growth that you saw in run rate.
Speaker #5: We also added a significant service component, so credit to the team there for revamping our service model, adding new food and beverage, and, of course, very importantly, the service levels on the casino floor, as well as some of the novel games and just the overall presentation.
Speaker #5: So all those things came to bear that allowed us to have the growth that you saw. Now, the growth is going to be based on yielding and more incremental growth as we continue to invest in the property that's there.
Patrick Dumont: Now the growth is going to be based on yielding and more incremental growth as we continue to invest in the property that's there. There are still things that we're doing that we think will create growth over time, particularly in patron types that are higher value. I think for us, looking forward in Singapore, it's going to be about continuing to serve these customers. We have a very strong base there. Visitation matters for the highest-end customers, particularly at the highest end, it is concentrated. We've talked about that before. Whether it's World Cup or other things, some of those people weren't in the building this quarter. When they show up, we do incredibly well. When we play favorably, our margins look extraordinary.
Patrick Dumont: Now the growth is going to be based on yielding and more incremental growth as we continue to invest in the property that's there. There are still things that we're doing that we think will create growth over time, particularly in patron types that are higher value. I think for us, looking forward in Singapore, it's going to be about continuing to serve these customers. We have a very strong base there. Visitation matters for the highest-end customers, particularly at the highest end, it is concentrated. We've talked about that before. Whether it's World Cup or other things, some of those people weren't in the building this quarter. When they show up, we do incredibly well. When we play favorably, our margins look extraordinary.
Speaker #5: So there are still things that we're doing that we think will create growth over time, particularly in patron types that are higher value. But I think for us, looking forward in Singapore, it's going to be about continuing to serve these customers.
Speaker #5: We have a very strong base there. And, you know, visitation matters for the highest-end customers. Particularly at the highest end, it is concentrated. We've talked about that before.
Speaker #5: And whether it's World Cup or other things, some of those people weren't in the building this quarter. And when they show up, we do incredibly well.
Speaker #5: And when we play favorably, our margins look extraordinary. And when some of those people don't show up in scale, and they don't play in high volume, and we don't hold very well, our margins can look less.
Patrick Dumont: When some of those people don't show up and scale, they don't play in high volume, we don't hold very well, our margins can look less. We're heading in the right direction. I don't know that there's a gaming business that grows forward in a straight line, I'd like to believe that this business is heading in the right direction. To be fair, we're also seeing the benefit of a lot of wealth creation in Southeast Asia. We feel very good about the long-term prospects of both our investment and the trajectory of the business there.
Patrick Dumont: When some of those people don't show up and scale, they don't play in high volume, we don't hold very well, our margins can look less. We're heading in the right direction. I don't know that there's a gaming business that grows forward in a straight line, I'd like to believe that this business is heading in the right direction. To be fair, we're also seeing the benefit of a lot of wealth creation in Southeast Asia. We feel very good about the long-term prospects of both our investment and the trajectory of the business there.
Speaker #5: So, but we're heading in the right direction. I don't know that there's a gaming business that grows forward in a straight line. And I'd like to believe that this business is heading in the right direction.
Speaker #5: And to be fair, we're also seeing the benefit of a lot of wealth creation in Southeast Asia. So we feel very good about the long-term prospects of both our investment and the trajectory of the business there.
Speaker #6: Got it. And then, I suppose on Macau, just talking a little bit more about that $700 million quarterly EBITDA run rate and kind of the path to getting there.
Dan Politzer: Got it. I suppose on Macao, just talking a little bit more about that $700 million quarterly EBITDA run rate and the path to getting there, can you maybe give a sense of the capital or the timeframe, the capital that you have to still commit or the timeframe that you think is reasonable to get to that level? Obviously, this quarter wasn't ideal, how should we think about the path forward towards that $700?
Dan Politzer: Got it. I suppose on Macao, just talking a little bit more about that $700 million quarterly EBITDA run rate and the path to getting there, can you maybe give a sense of the capital or the timeframe, the capital that you have to still commit or the timeframe that you think is reasonable to get to that level? Obviously, this quarter wasn't ideal, how should we think about the path forward towards that $700?
Speaker #6: Can you maybe give a sense of the capital or the time frame you know, the capital that you have to still commit or the time frame that you think is reasonable to kind of to get to that level?
Speaker #6: Obviously, this quarter wasn't an ideal, but, you know, how should we think about kind of the path forward towards that 700?
Speaker #5: So, I think, first off, this quarter was impacted by seasonality. We talked about that. You know, we see it. There was the World Cup impact that we just mentioned.
Patrick Dumont: I think first off, this quarter was impacted with seasonality. We talked about that. We see it. There was the World Cup impact that we just mentioned. I also think, for us, as we continue to invest and get higher-value patron-fulfilling inventory, we'll be able to grow our market share and grow our revenues. For us, this is what we talked about. We talked about a multi-year investment strategy as we updated our portfolio there and invested for the highest-value premium mass segments that we do really well in. That's a very deep part of our database. Nothing's changed from our strategy, from our approach, and from the timelines that we talked about before. Grant, I don't know if there's anything else that you want to add.
Patrick Dumont: I think first off, this quarter was impacted with seasonality. We talked about that. We see it. There was the World Cup impact that we just mentioned. I also think, for us, as we continue to invest and get higher-value patron-fulfilling inventory, we'll be able to grow our market share and grow our revenues. For us, this is what we talked about. We talked about a multi-year investment strategy as we updated our portfolio there and invested for the highest-value premium mass segments that we do really well in. That's a very deep part of our database. Nothing's changed from our strategy, from our approach, and from the timelines that we talked about before. Grant, I don't know if there's anything else that you want to add.
Speaker #5: But I also think for us, as we continue to invest and get higher-value patron-fulfilling inventory, we'll be able to grow our market share and grow our revenues.
Speaker #5: And so for us, this is what we talked about. We talked about a multi-year investment strategy as we updated our portfolio there.
Speaker #5: And invested for the highest value premium asset segments that we do really well in. That's a very deep part of our database, and so nothing's changed from our strategy, from our approach.
Speaker #5: And from the timelines that we talked about before, Grant, I don't know if there's anything else that you want to add.
Speaker #6: I think in terms of capital projects, we still have a long way to go in terms of ramping up Londoner. It's done very well so far.
Grant Chum: I think in terms of capital projects, we have still a long way to go in terms of ramping up Londoner. It's done very well so far. As you can see, both Londoner and Four Seasons, even for this quarter, we're above where we were in 2019 on a normalized basis. That's a very positive evidence of how these product upgrades can drive the revenue growth and market share gains. Secondly, we are very focused on the upcoming completion of The Venetian renovation, which would take us all the way, as Patrick referenced, to early 2028. We should start to see the benefits of those new suites as we progressively get more critical mass of new suites throughout 2027.
Grant Chum: I think in terms of capital projects, we have still a long way to go in terms of ramping up Londoner. It's done very well so far. As you can see, both Londoner and Four Seasons, even for this quarter, we're above where we were in 2019 on a normalized basis. That's a very positive evidence of how these product upgrades can drive the revenue growth and market share gains. Secondly, we are very focused on the upcoming completion of The Venetian renovation, which would take us all the way, as Patrick referenced, to early 2028. We should start to see the benefits of those new suites as we progressively get more critical mass of new suites throughout 2027.
Speaker #6: As you can see, both Londoner and Four Seasons are even for this quarter; we're above where we were in 2019 on a normalized basis.
Speaker #6: So that's very positive evidence of how the product upgrades can drive revenue growth and market share gains. Secondly, we are very focused on the upcoming completion of the Venetian renovation, which would take us all the way, as Patrick referenced, to early 2028.
Speaker #6: But we should start to see the benefits of those new suites as we progressively get more critical mass of these suites throughout 2027.
Speaker #6: And certainly by the end of that, we're going to have a completely new hotel in, I think, what is still an amazing property for people to visit.
Grant Chum: Certainly, by the end of that, we're going to have a completely new hotel in, I think, what is still an amazing property for people to visit, but with an entirely upgraded, refreshed product, both in hotel and also in parts of the premium gaming sections.
Grant Chum: Certainly, by the end of that, we're going to have a completely new hotel in, I think, what is still an amazing property for people to visit, but with an entirely upgraded, refreshed product, both in hotel and also in parts of the premium gaming sections.
Speaker #6: But with an entirely upgraded, refreshed product—both in hotel and also in parts of the premium gaming sections. Thank you so much.
Dan Politzer: Thank you so much.
Dan Politzer: Thank you so much.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Dan.
Patrick Dumont: Thanks, Dan.
Patrick Dumont: Thanks, Dan.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Sean Kelly from Bank of America. Sean, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Shaun Kelley from Bank of America. Shaun, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Shaun Kelley from Bank of America. Shaun, your line is live.
Speaker #1: Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Patrick or Grant, maybe just a comment on the nature of the growth in the premium segment you're seeing in Macau.
Shaun Kelley: Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Patrick or Grant, maybe just a comment on sort of the nature of the growth in the premium segment you're seeing in Macao. This is pretty significant hold volatility we're seeing at some of the properties. Just kind of curious if this is going to be the nature of the market a little bit moving forward, just given concentration in a smaller and smaller set of customers, or if there's a little bit of an outlier and really want to chalk it up a little bit more to that, just in terms of activity and maybe the concentration of what you saw driving this kind of hold volatility. We tend to think for LVS in particular, sort of averages out across a much bigger base of business. Clearly, we didn't see that this quarter.
Shaun Kelley: Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Patrick or Grant, maybe just a comment on sort of the nature of the growth in the premium segment you're seeing in Macao. This is pretty significant hold volatility we're seeing at some of the properties. Just kind of curious if this is going to be the nature of the market a little bit moving forward, just given concentration in a smaller and smaller set of customers, or if there's a little bit of an outlier and really want to chalk it up a little bit more to that, just in terms of activity and maybe the concentration of what you saw driving this kind of hold volatility. We tend to think for LVS in particular, sort of averages out across a much bigger base of business. Clearly, we didn't see that this quarter.
Speaker #1: You know, this is, you know, pretty significant hold volatility. You know, we're seeing it in some of the properties, and just kind of curious if this is going to be the nature of the market a little bit moving forward.
Speaker #1: Just given concentration in, you know, a smaller and smaller set of customers, or if there's a little bit of an outlier, and, you know, really want to chalk it up a little bit more to that.
Speaker #1: Just in terms of activity, and maybe the concentration of what you saw driving this kind of hold volatility—because we tend to think, for LVS in particular, it sort of averages out across a much bigger base of business.
Speaker #1: Clearly, we didn't see that this quarter.
Speaker #5: So I think what's really important is we have product and service now that allow us to attract the most important patrons in both markets.
Patrick Dumont: I think what's really important is we have product and service now that allows us to attract the most important patrons in both markets. That's a big step. The good news is sometimes we get that play in Singapore, sometimes we get that play in Macao, sometimes we get it in both. Sometimes we have a lot of it, sometimes we have less of it. Sometimes when we have less of it, the volatility works against us, given the number of decisions and the bet size and the volatility during the quarter of measurement. The good news is we take this business, and over time, it really works in our favor. This is the largest hold adjustment we've ever had in the history of Macao.
Patrick Dumont: I think what's really important is we have product and service now that allows us to attract the most important patrons in both markets. That's a big step. The good news is sometimes we get that play in Singapore, sometimes we get that play in Macao, sometimes we get it in both. Sometimes we have a lot of it, sometimes we have less of it. Sometimes when we have less of it, the volatility works against us, given the number of decisions and the bet size and the volatility during the quarter of measurement. The good news is we take this business, and over time, it really works in our favor. This is the largest hold adjustment we've ever had in the history of Macao.
Speaker #5: That's a big step. The good news is, sometimes we get that play in Singapore, sometimes we get that play in Macau, and sometimes we get it in both.
Speaker #5: Sometimes we have a lot of it, and sometimes we have less of it. Sometimes, when we have less of it, the volatility works against us, given the number of decisions.
Speaker #5: And the bet size and the volatility during the quarter of measurement. The good news is, we take this business, and over time, it really works in our favor.
Speaker #5: This is the largest hold adjustment we've ever had in the history of Macau. And the good news is, it happened after the pandemic, at a time when a lot of people thought high-level VIP play wouldn't show up in Macau.
Patrick Dumont: The good news is it happened after the pandemic at a time when a lot of people thought high-level VIP play wouldn't show up in Macao, and now we're earning it. Over time, we believe that things will. There's an old expression, right? The gate of luck swings both ways, and we like to believe that over time, by taking this play and providing the right service and keeping these patrons playing with us over time, that we'll be more successful. The play is very concentrated. The other thing is, for some of these patrons, we tend to think about it across both of our properties. Do we have the right amount of offsetting play across our entire portfolio of properties? For us, I think the important thing is the most asserting patrons want to stay with us and play high volumes with us.
Patrick Dumont: The good news is it happened after the pandemic at a time when a lot of people thought high-level VIP play wouldn't show up in Macao, and now we're earning it. Over time, we believe that things will. There's an old expression, right? The gate of luck swings both ways, and we like to believe that over time, by taking this play and providing the right service and keeping these patrons playing with us over time, that we'll be more successful. The play is very concentrated. The other thing is, for some of these patrons, we tend to think about it across both of our properties. Do we have the right amount of offsetting play across our entire portfolio of properties? For us, I think the important thing is the most asserting patrons want to stay with us and play high volumes with us.
Speaker #5: And now we're earning it. So over time, we believe that things will — there's an old expression, right? The gate of luck swings both ways.
Speaker #5: And we like to believe that over time, by taking this play and providing the right service, and keeping these patrons playing with us over time, we will be more successful.
Speaker #5: And so the play is very concentrated. The other thing is, for some of these patrons, we tend to think about it across both of our properties.
Speaker #5: Right? Do we have the right amount of offsetting play across our entire portfolio of properties? So for us, I think the important thing is that the most discerning patrons want to stay with us and play high volumes with us.
Speaker #5: The bad thing is, we got beat really bad this quarter. And we actually got beat on the mass side, too. There's a belief in gaming that goes back a long time, that when customers play lucky, they continue to strengthen their bond and relationship with you because, over time, they'll eventually lose.
Patrick Dumont: Bad thing is we got beat really bad this quarter, we actually got beat on the mass side too. There's a belief in gaming that goes back a long time, that when customers play lucky, they continue to strengthen their bond and relationship with you, over time, they'll eventually lose. I think for us, customers winning is an investment in future marketing and gives us the ability to retain high-value customers over time. This quarter didn't work in our favor. Hopefully, in the future it will.
Patrick Dumont: Bad thing is we got beat really bad this quarter, we actually got beat on the mass side too. There's a belief in gaming that goes back a long time, that when customers play lucky, they continue to strengthen their bond and relationship with you, over time, they'll eventually lose. I think for us, customers winning is an investment in future marketing and gives us the ability to retain high-value customers over time. This quarter didn't work in our favor. Hopefully, in the future it will.
Speaker #5: And so, I think for us, customers winning is an investment in future marketing and gives us the ability to retain high-value customers over time.
Speaker #5: This quarter didn't work in our favor. Hopefully, in the future, it will.
Speaker #6: Yeah, Jerry, I'd just add to that.
Shaun Kelley: Derek.
Shaun Kelley: Derek.
Grant Chum: Yeah. Just to add to that.
Grant Chum: Yeah. Just to add to that.
Speaker #2: Sorry. Yeah, Grant?
Shaun Kelley: Sorry. Yeah, Grant.
Shaun Kelley: Sorry. Yeah, Grant.
Speaker #6: I think the facts have shown, if you look at both VIP rolling and the premium mass segment, we have gained a significant amount of market share at that very top end, given all of the strategies we've deployed since May of last year.
Grant Chum: I think the facts have shown, if you look at both VIP rolling and the premium mass segment, we have gained significant amount of market share at that very top end, given all of the strategies we've deployed since May of last year. Yep, there's no secret, we have done huge gains in VIP segment against a flat market. This quarter, we've come from a position where we were number 4 in the rolling segment a year ago, and now we're number 1 with 26% volume share. Part of that share gain is coming from the super VIP segment, where we're also very successful in the Marina Bay Sands property. That's the VIP segment. In terms of the premium mass, we all keep saying that the Macau growth is driven by the premium segment in the current environment.
Grant Chum: I think the facts have shown, if you look at both VIP rolling and the premium mass segment, we have gained significant amount of market share at that very top end, given all of the strategies we've deployed since May of last year. Yep, there's no secret, we have done huge gains in VIP segment against a flat market. This quarter, we've come from a position where we were number 4 in the rolling segment a year ago, and now we're number 1 with 26% volume share. Part of that share gain is coming from the super VIP segment, where we're also very successful in the Marina Bay Sands property. That's the VIP segment. In terms of the premium mass, we all keep saying that the Macau growth is driven by the premium segment in the current environment.
Speaker #6: So yeah, there's no secret—we have done huge gains in the VIP segment against a flat market this quarter. We've come from a position where we were number four in the rolling segment a year ago.
Speaker #6: And now we're number one with 26% volume share. Part of that share gain is coming from the Super VIP segment, where we've also been very successful in the Marina Bay Sands property.
Speaker #6: So that's the VIP segment. And then, in terms of the premium mass, we all keep saying that Macau growth is driven by the premium segment in the current environment.
Speaker #6: And within that, yes, there is some very high-end premium mass play, which is available to capture. And we've been capturing more than a fair share of that in the last six. Unfortunately, this quarter, the luck just didn't play our way.
Grant Chum: Within that, yes, there is some very high-end premium mass play, which is available to capture, and we've been capturing more than a fair share of that in the last six months. Unfortunately, this quarter, the luck just didn't play our way. We are gaining the customers, we're gaining the volume, and they will be back, and the luck will even out in the end.
Grant Chum: Within that, yes, there is some very high-end premium mass play, which is available to capture, and we've been capturing more than a fair share of that in the last six months. Unfortunately, this quarter, the luck just didn't play our way. We are gaining the customers, we're gaining the volume, and they will be back, and the luck will even out in the end.
Speaker #6: But we are gaining the customers. We're gaining the volume. And they will be back. And the luck will even out in the end.
Speaker #1: Perfect. Thank you both. And then my follow-up, maybe just a quick high-level one on sort of Patrick, I think you mentioned, you know, the run rate and the investments being made on the operating expense side in Macau.
Shaun Kelley: Perfect. Thank you both. As my follow-up, maybe just a quick high level one on, Patrick, I think you mentioned the run rate, and the investments being made on the operating expense side of Macau. Just a quick thought on Singapore. Is this a general good run rate as we're expecting to see a little bit more of incremental gains on the top line? Will that be matched relatively closely with investments on the bottom line? Just how is the operating or run rate operating expense looking there?
Shaun Kelley: Perfect. Thank you both. As my follow-up, maybe just a quick high level one on, Patrick, I think you mentioned the run rate, and the investments being made on the operating expense side of Macau. Just a quick thought on Singapore. Is this a general good run rate as we're expecting to see a little bit more of incremental gains on the top line? Will that be matched relatively closely with investments on the bottom line? Just how is the operating or run rate operating expense looking there?
Speaker #1: Just a quick thought on Singapore. Is this a general good run rate, as we're expecting to see a little bit more of incremental gains on the top line?
Speaker #1: Will that be matched relatively closely with sort of investments on the bottom line? Or just, how is the operating or run-rate operating expense looking there?
Speaker #5: So, first off, we're really happy with the 50% EBITDA margin at Marina Bay Sands. We have a fixed cost base there that's really focused on providing the highest levels of service.
Patrick Dumont: First off, we're really happy with the 50% EBITDA margin at Marina Bay Sands. We have a fixed cost base there that's really focused on providing the highest levels of service. We can do really, really well with more visitation from high-value patrons and their play. We can also see higher margins when we have higher volumes from those patrons, and things happen to go our way on the gaming tables. In quarters past, we've seen higher margins because we had a lot of great play, and that play was favorable. Look, in the long run, we're really happy to make these investments to attract and keep our highest levels of patrons. We're going to continue to invest in things necessary to support great experiences for our patrons, really at the highest levels.
Patrick Dumont: First off, we're really happy with the 50% EBITDA margin at Marina Bay Sands. We have a fixed cost base there that's really focused on providing the highest levels of service. We can do really, really well with more visitation from high-value patrons and their play. We can also see higher margins when we have higher volumes from those patrons, and things happen to go our way on the gaming tables. In quarters past, we've seen higher margins because we had a lot of great play, and that play was favorable. Look, in the long run, we're really happy to make these investments to attract and keep our highest levels of patrons. We're going to continue to invest in things necessary to support great experiences for our patrons, really at the highest levels.
Speaker #5: We can do really, really well with more visitation from high-value patrons and their play. We can also see higher margins when we have higher volumes from those patrons.
Speaker #5: And things happened to go our way on the gaming tables. So in quarters past, we've seen higher margins because we had a lot of great play.
Speaker #5: And that play was favorable. Look, in the long run, we're really happy to make these investments to attract and keep our highest levels of patrons.
Speaker #5: We're going to continue to invest in things necessary to support great experiences for our patrons, really at the highest levels. And look, sometimes, from time to time, some of these customers require provisions.
Patrick Dumont: Look, sometimes from time to time, some of these customers require provisions, sometimes they require some promo, as a practical matter, this is a great business, and we believe in the margin structure over time. Just broadly, we believe that we have a significant opportunity to continue to invest and optimize and grow, as we have, given the strong customer interest that we have and just the growing amount of patrons that we see coming out of Southeast Asia that are high-value tourists that want to go to Singapore. We're going to continue investing behind this thesis for the long term.
Patrick Dumont: Look, sometimes from time to time, some of these customers require provisions, sometimes they require some promo, as a practical matter, this is a great business, and we believe in the margin structure over time. Just broadly, we believe that we have a significant opportunity to continue to invest and optimize and grow, as we have, given the strong customer interest that we have and just the growing amount of patrons that we see coming out of Southeast Asia that are high-value tourists that want to go to Singapore. We're going to continue investing behind this thesis for the long term.
Speaker #5: Sometimes they require some promo, but as a practical matter, this is a great business, and we believe in the margin structure over time.
Speaker #5: And just broadly, we believe that we have a significant opportunity to continue to invest, optimize, and grow as we have, given the strong customer interest that we have and just the growing number of patrons that we see coming at us from Southeast Asia who are high-value tourists that want to go to Singapore.
Speaker #5: So we're going to continue investing behind this thesis for the long term.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Thank you.
Shaun Kelley: Thank you.
Shaun Kelley: Thank you.
Grant Chum: Thanks, Shaun.
Grant Chum: Thanks, Shaun.
Shaun Kelley: Thank you.
Shaun Kelley: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Stephen Gramling from Morgan Stanley. Stephen, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Stephen Grambling from Morgan Stanley. Stephen, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Stephen Grambling from Morgan Stanley. Stephen, your line is live.
Speaker #3: Hey, so I just want to go back to that to make sure I understood it correctly. I think that your promo was down sequentially, but still up year over year.
Stephen Grambling: Thanks. I just want to go back to that to make sure I understood it correctly. I think that your promo was down sequentially, still up year-over-year. Is it down sequentially predominantly because of the World Cup and maybe those customers not showing up, and they tend to require higher reinvestment, so we haven't quite seen a change in the promotional environment yet? Has it even potentially ratcheted up? Just curious if there's any way to dig into that and what you're seeing in the competitive environment.
Stephen Grambling: Thanks. I just want to go back to that to make sure I understood it correctly. I think that your promo was down sequentially, still up year-over-year. Is it down sequentially predominantly because of the World Cup and maybe those customers not showing up, and they tend to require higher reinvestment, so we haven't quite seen a change in the promotional environment yet? Has it even potentially ratcheted up? Just curious if there's any way to dig into that and what you're seeing in the competitive environment.
Speaker #3: Is it down sequentially predominantly because of the World Cup and maybe those customers not showing up? And they tend to require higher reinvestments. So, we haven't quite seen a change in the promotional environment yet.
Speaker #3: Or has it even potentially ratcheted up? Just curious if there's any kind of way to dig into that and what you're seeing in the competitive environment.
Speaker #6: Stephen, just to clarify, in Macau, our reinvestment level sequentially remained flat—so, second quarter versus first quarter—when we adjust for hold percentage and the difference in business mix.
Grant Chum: Stephen, just to clarify, in Macau, our reinvestment level sequentially remained flat. Q2 versus Q1, when we adjust for the whole percentage and the difference in business mix. Year-over-year, we see obviously a higher level of reinvestment because we only started to adopt a more aggressive reinvestment strategy to adjust to the market in the H2 of last year.
Grant Chum: Stephen, just to clarify, in Macau, our reinvestment level sequentially remained flat. Q2 versus Q1, when we adjust for the whole percentage and the difference in business mix. Year-over-year, we see obviously a higher level of reinvestment because we only started to adopt a more aggressive reinvestment strategy to adjust to the market in the H2 of last year.
Speaker #6: Year over year, we see, obviously, a higher level of reinvestment because we only started to adopt a more aggressive reinvestment strategy to adjust to the market in the second half of last year.
Speaker #3: Right. But you had the World Cup in there, which I imagine, if you're not having some people that require higher reinvestment, maybe that would suggest that perhaps it's even ticking up sequentially, just as we think about the underlying.
Stephen Grambling: Right. You had the World Cup in there, which I imagine if you're not having some people that require higher reinvestment, maybe that would suggest that perhaps it's even ticking up sequentially just as we think about the underlying. Are you seeing any change in the, of the competitive dynamic if you pull back the onion a bit?
Stephen Grambling: Right. You had the World Cup in there, which I imagine if you're not having some people that require higher reinvestment, maybe that would suggest that perhaps it's even ticking up sequentially just as we think about the underlying. Are you seeing any change in the, of the competitive dynamic if you pull back the onion a bit?
Speaker #3: So, are you seeing any change in the competitive dynamic, if you kind of pull back the onion a bit?
Grant Chum: There's no change, in either our approach or the reinvestment levels, when you look at it sequentially. As we have been doing since the start of the year, we're looking to optimize the level of reinvestment into all of these customer ADT segments. What we're finding, as we were successful in Q1, is that we're able to adjust some of those reinvestment levels and still achieve the market share gain. As we look into the H2, we'll continue that process of optimization, and we aim to achieve a higher level of gross margin from this higher level of revenues.
Grant Chum: There's no change, in either our approach or the reinvestment levels, when you look at it sequentially. As we have been doing since the start of the year, we're looking to optimize the level of reinvestment into all of these customer ADT segments. What we're finding, as we were successful in Q1, is that we're able to adjust some of those reinvestment levels and still achieve the market share gain. As we look into the H2, we'll continue that process of optimization, and we aim to achieve a higher level of gross margin from this higher level of revenues.
Speaker #6: There's no change in either approach or the reinvestment levels when you look at it sequentially. And as we have been doing since the start of the year, we're looking to optimize the level of reinvestment into all of these customer ADT segments.
Speaker #6: And what we're finding as we were successful in the first quarter is that we're able to adjust some of those reinvestment levels and still achieve the market share gain.
Speaker #6: So, as we look into the second half, we'll continue that process of optimization, and we aim to achieve a higher level of gross margin from this higher level of revenues.
Speaker #3: Okay, fair enough. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.
Stephen Grambling: Okay, fair enough. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.
Stephen Grambling: Okay, fair enough. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Stephen.
Grant Chum: Thanks, Steven.
Grant Chum: Thanks, Steven.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Robin Farley from UBS. Robin, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Robyn Farley from UBS. Robyn, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Robyn Farley from UBS. Robyn, your line is live.
Robin Farley: Great, thanks. I wanted to go back to a comment that you made during the call where you said that reinvestment would level off in the H2. Just wanted to make sure that I'm understanding that correctly. Leveling off meaning it'll be flat year-over-year, or that the rate of increase in the H2 would be about the same rate of increase year-over-year we saw in the H1, and not a higher rate of increase?
Robin Farley: Great, thanks. I wanted to go back to a comment that you made during the call where you said that reinvestment would level off in the H2. Just wanted to make sure that I'm understanding that correctly. Leveling off meaning it'll be flat year-over-year, or that the rate of increase in the H2 would be about the same rate of increase year-over-year we saw in the H1, and not a higher rate of increase?
Speaker #7: Great, thanks. I wanted to go back to a comment you made during the call, where you said that reinvestment would level off in the second half.
Speaker #7: And just wanted to make sure that I'm understanding that correctly. Leveling off meaning it'll be flat year over year, or that the rate of increase in the second half would be about the same rate of increase year over year we saw in the first half and not a higher rate of increase?
Grant Chum: Just to clarify, Robin, there are two different topics here. One is the reinvestment and the other is the operating expenses. For reinvestment, what we're looking to do is to continue to optimize the reinvestment percentage as a proportion of actual revenue, that process has started since the beginning of the year. We've had some success in this, we'll continue that into the H2. In terms of Patrick's comments on operating expenses, we have had some OPEX growth during the H1 of 2026, we do expect the rate of OPEX growth to moderate into the H2. We've been investing in the table operating hours, in the sales, network distribution, and also in the service elevation.
Grant Chum: Just to clarify, Robin, there are two different topics here. One is the reinvestment and the other is the operating expenses. For reinvestment, what we're looking to do is to continue to optimize the reinvestment percentage as a proportion of actual revenue, that process has started since the beginning of the year. We've had some success in this, we'll continue that into the H2. In terms of Patrick's comments on operating expenses, we have had some OPEX growth during the H1 of 2026, we do expect the rate of OPEX growth to moderate into the H2. We've been investing in the table operating hours, in the sales, network distribution, and also in the service elevation.
Speaker #6: Just to clarify, Robin, there are two different topics here. One is the reinvestment, and the other is the operating expenses. So, for reinvestment, what we're looking to do is to continue to optimize the reinvestment percentage as a proportion of actual revenue.
Speaker #6: And that process has started since the beginning of the year. We've had some success in this, and we'll continue that into the second half.
Speaker #6: In terms of Patrick's comments on operating expenses, we have had some OPEX growth during the first half of 2026, but we do expect the rate of OPEX growth to moderate into the second half.
Speaker #6: We've been investing in the table operating hours in the sales network distribution and also in the service elevation. But the big step change in those investments has largely happened, and what we expect into the second half, into 2027, is a more moderate rate of OPEX growth.
Grant Chum: The big step change in those investments have largely happened, what we expect into the H2 into 2027 is a more moderate rate of OPEX growth. We should therefore be able to achieve some operating leverage on the EBITDA margin as revenues grow.
Grant Chum: The big step change in those investments have largely happened, what we expect into the H2 into 2027 is a more moderate rate of OPEX growth. We should therefore be able to achieve some operating leverage on the EBITDA margin as revenues grow.
Speaker #6: And we should, therefore, be able to achieve some operating leverage on the EBITDA margin as revenues grow.
Robin Farley: Is that saying that the H2 rate of increase in OPEX will be similar to the H1?
Speaker #7: And is that saying that the second half rate of increase in OPEX will be similar to the first half?
Robin Farley: Is that saying that the H2 rate of increase in OPEX will be similar to the H1?
Speaker #3: Slower. I mean, this will be slower.
Patrick Dumont: Slower. Means it's still be slower.
Patrick Dumont: Slower. Means it's still be slower.
Robin Farley: No. Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify what leveling off, just to make sure I understood. Can you talk a little bit about. I don't want to get too focused on the very immediate term, but obviously the World Cup, you've talked about that impacting visitation. Are you seeing bounce back, pent-up demand, or is it just back to normal levels? In other words, are you seeing a clear sign that was just during the World Cup and how things look now versus that period? Thanks.
Robin Farley: No. Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify what leveling off, just to make sure I understood. Can you talk a little bit about. I don't want to get too focused on the very immediate term, but obviously the World Cup, you've talked about that impacting visitation. Are you seeing bounce back, pent-up demand, or is it just back to normal levels? In other words, are you seeing a clear sign that was just during the World Cup and how things look now versus that period? Thanks.
Speaker #7: Thank you. I just wanted to clarify what 'leveling off' means, just to make sure I understood. And then, can you talk a little bit about—I mean, I don't want to get too focused on the very immediate term—but obviously, the World Cup: you've talked about that impacting visitation.
Speaker #7: Are you seeing bounce-back, pent-up demand, or is it just back to normal levels? In other words, are you seeing a clear sign that that was just during the World Cup, and how do things look now versus that period?
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Speaker #5: I do want to point out the final was on Sunday, so I'm not really sure yet how we think about it. I will tell you that this was quite an unbelievable sporting event.
Patrick Dumont: I do want to point it out the final was on Sunday. I'm not really sure yet how we think about it. I will tell you that this was quite an unbelievable sporting event. The level of success of the World Cup in the US is really remarkable. I think the earnings that they generated were a record. I think the attendance might have been record. I think the involvement with the broader field really captured a global phenomenon, and it was something that I think a lot of people went to. Unfortunately, a lot of our high-value patrons are followers or a lot of the players and a lot of the teams who had representation in the World Cup are from countries that participated, and it just drove a lot of tourism away from our two core markets, our two markets.
Patrick Dumont: I do want to point it out the final was on Sunday. I'm not really sure yet how we think about it. I will tell you that this was quite an unbelievable sporting event. The level of success of the World Cup in the US is really remarkable. I think the earnings that they generated were a record. I think the attendance might have been record. I think the involvement with the broader field really captured a global phenomenon, and it was something that I think a lot of people went to. Unfortunately, a lot of our high-value patrons are followers or a lot of the players and a lot of the teams who had representation in the World Cup are from countries that participated, and it just drove a lot of tourism away from our two core markets, our two markets.
Speaker #5: The level of success the World Cup in the US has is really remarkable. I think the earnings that they generated were a record. I think the attendance might have been a record.
Speaker #5: I think the involvement with the broader field really captured a global phenomenon. And it was something that I think a lot of people went to.
Speaker #5: And unfortunately, a lot of our high-value patrons are followers, or a lot of the players and a lot of the teams who are representation.
Speaker #5: And the World Cup we had are from countries that participated. And it just drove a lot of tourism away from our two core markets, our two markets.
Speaker #5: And so we're obviously very optimistic about the long term, but also we think our patrons want to come back to doing what they're doing.
Patrick Dumont: We're obviously very optimistic about the long term, but also we think our patrons want to come back to doing what they're doing. We look forward to seeing them back in our properties, looking forward to seeing them back in our markets, and we'll go from there. It's a little early to tell you about any snapback given that everything ended only a few days ago.
Patrick Dumont: We're obviously very optimistic about the long term, but also we think our patrons want to come back to doing what they're doing. We look forward to seeing them back in our properties, looking forward to seeing them back in our markets, and we'll go from there. It's a little early to tell you about any snapback given that everything ended only a few days ago.
Speaker #5: So we look forward to seeing them back in our properties, looking forward to seeing them back in our markets, and we'll go from there.
Speaker #5: But it's a little early to tell you about any snapback, given that everything ended only a few days ago.
Robin Farley: Yeah. Thanks very much.
Robin Farley: Yeah. Thanks very much.
Speaker #7: Yeah. Thanks very much.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Robin.
Patrick Dumont: Thanks, Robyn.
Patrick Dumont: Thanks, Robyn.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Brent Montour from Barclays. Brent, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Brandt Montour from Barclays. Grant, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Brandt Montour from Barclays. Grant, your line is live.
Brandt Montour: Great. Thanks, everybody. The mass drop stat that you guys gave, 15% in the quarter, would you be willing to break that out by month in the quarter?
Brandt Montour: Great. Thanks, everybody. The mass drop stat that you guys gave, 15% in the quarter, would you be willing to break that out by month in the quarter?
Speaker #4: Great, thanks, everybody. The math drop stat that you guys gave is 15% in the quarter. Would you be willing to break that out by month in the quarter?
Speaker #5: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear the question. Could you say that again, please?
Patrick Dumont: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear the question. Could you say that again, please?
Patrick Dumont: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear the question. Could you say that again, please?
Speaker #4: Sorry about that. So, math table drop in the quarter was up 15%. You highlighted that, Patrick, in your prepared remarks. Would you be willing to break that out by month, just so we can get a sense of how your performance was trending, Sands—sorry, ex-hold, before World Cup started?
Brandt Montour: Sorry about that. Mass table drop in the quarter was up 15%. You highlighted that, Patrick, in your prepared remarks. Would you be willing to break that out by month just so we can get a sense of how your performance was trending ex whole before World Cup start?
Brandt Montour: Sorry about that. Mass table drop in the quarter was up 15%. You highlighted that, Patrick, in your prepared remarks. Would you be willing to break that out by month just so we can get a sense of how your performance was trending ex whole before World Cup start?
Speaker #5: Yeah, I would just say we typically don't do that, but just directionally, we were impacted in June.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah, I would just say we typically don't do that, but just directionally, we were impacted in June.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah, I would just say we typically don't do that, but just directionally, we were impacted in June.
Speaker #4: Okay. And then in your slides, you have a slide about the Macau airport passenger volume. It took a big step back in the second quarter.
Brandt Montour: Okay. In your slides, you have a slide about the Macau airport passenger volume. It took a big step back in Q2, more in line with last Q2, right? We know that it's a seasonally weak quarter, but Q1 this year had a big step up unlike prior years. It almost would seem like that capacity had taken a structurally higher step up since COVID. Just curious, when you talk to your partners or your contacts in the transportation division, is that temporary? Is that seasonal? Do you expect it to sort of rebound? Is there something that you think drove that?
Brandt Montour: Okay. In your slides, you have a slide about the Macau airport passenger volume. It took a big step back in Q2, more in line with last Q2, right? We know that it's a seasonally weak quarter, but Q1 this year had a big step up unlike prior years. It almost would seem like that capacity had taken a structurally higher step up since COVID. Just curious, when you talk to your partners or your contacts in the transportation division, is that temporary? Is that seasonal? Do you expect it to sort of rebound? Is there something that you think drove that?
Speaker #4: More in line with last second quarter, right? We know that's a seasonally weak quarter, but the first quarter this year had a big step up.
Speaker #4: Unlike prior years, it almost would seem like that capacity has taken a structurally higher step up since COVID. Just curious, when you talk to your partners or your contacts in the transportation division, is that temporary?
Speaker #4: Is that seasonal? Do you expect it to sort of rebound? Is there something that you think drove that?
Speaker #5: So I just want to clarify. You're referring to slide 39, where we talk about the Macau Airport monthly passenger volume?
Patrick Dumont: I just wanted to clarify, you're referring to slide 39, where.
Patrick Dumont: I just wanted to clarify, you're referring to slide 39, where.
Brandt Montour: Yeah
Brandt Montour: Yeah.
Patrick Dumont: talk about the Macau airport monthly passenger volume?
Patrick Dumont: talk about the Macau airport monthly passenger volume?
Speaker #4: That's right. 39.
Brandt Montour: That's right, 39.
Brandt Montour: That's right, 39.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah. Look, I think if you look at it's not too much different from the Q2 of 2025. Just sort of highlighting the fact that there is seasonality in visitation to Macau. That's kind of what my takeaway from that would be. Grant, I don't know if you have anything else you'd like to add.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah. Look, I think if you look at it's not too much different from the Q2 of 2025. Just sort of highlighting the fact that there is seasonality in visitation to Macau. That's kind of what my takeaway from that would be. Grant, I don't know if you have anything else you'd like to add.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Look, I think if you look at it, if you look at it, it's not too much different from the second quarter of '25.
Speaker #5: Just sort of highlighting the fact that there is seasonality in visitation to Macau. That’s kind of what my takeaway from that would be. Grant, I don’t know if you have anything else you’d like to add.
Speaker #6: Yeah, I think you can say clearly the second quarter is seasonally softer. And in the second half, we had much higher levels of passenger volume.
Grant Chum: Yeah, I think you can see clearly Q2 is seasonally softer. In the H2, we had much higher levels of passenger volume. It's fair to say international visitation during the quarter, but especially June, did slow down for a number of reasons, but also affected by the World Cup in June. I think it's not a surprise to see that the airport passenger volume is not as strong as the H2 of last year.
Grant Chum: Yeah, I think you can see clearly Q2 is seasonally softer. In the H2, we had much higher levels of passenger volume. It's fair to say international visitation during the quarter, but especially June, did slow down for a number of reasons, but also affected by the World Cup in June. I think it's not a surprise to see that the airport passenger volume is not as strong as the H2 of last year.
Speaker #6: But it's fair to say international visitation during the quarter, but especially in June, did slow down. For a number of reasons, but also affected by the World Cup in June.
Speaker #6: So I think it's not a surprise to see that the airport passenger volume is not as strong as the second half of last year.
Speaker #4: And this is just one airport, too, obviously. There's the Hong Kong airport, which isn't reflected here. There's the Zhuhai airport, which isn't reflected here.
Daniel Briggs: This is just one airport, too. Obviously, there's the Hong Kong airport, which isn't reflected here. There's the Zhuhai Airport, which isn't reflected here. These carriers are trying to make money, obviously, and there's a lot more money to be made when people are traveling than when you have those very soft periods, April and June. Part of this is just supply and demand with respect to what those people are doing.
Daniel Briggs: This is just one airport, too. Obviously, there's the Hong Kong airport, which isn't reflected here. There's the Zhuhai Airport, which isn't reflected here. These carriers are trying to make money, obviously, and there's a lot more money to be made when people are traveling than when you have those very soft periods, April and June. Part of this is just supply and demand with respect to what those people are doing.
Speaker #4: Obviously, there’s a lot more money to be made when people are traveling than during those very soft periods—April and June.
Speaker #4: So, part of this is just supply and demand with respect to what those people are doing. Great. Thanks for the question, Carolyn.
Patrick Dumont: Great. Thanks for the question, Daryl.
Patrick Dumont: Great. Thanks for the question, Daniel.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Chad Bennon from Macquarie. Chad, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Chad Beynon from Macquarie. Chad, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Chad Beynon from Macquarie. Chad, your line is live.
Speaker #5: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. First, on capital allocation—your buybacks were again at an elevated pace for the second quarter in a row.
Chad Beynon: Afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. First, on capital allocation, your buybacks were again at an elevated pace for the Q2 in a row. Can you talk about availability or appetite to stay at this pace versus reverting to maybe where you were in 2025? Thanks.
Chad Beynon: Afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. First, on capital allocation, your buybacks were again at an elevated pace for the Q2 in a row. Can you talk about availability or appetite to stay at this pace versus reverting to maybe where you were in 2025? Thanks.
Speaker #5: Can you talk about availability or appetite to stay at this pace versus reverting to maybe where you were in ’25? Thanks. So, first off, we see meaningful value in both LVS and SCL equity.
Patrick Dumont: First off, we see meaningful value in both LVS and SCL equity, we're going to continue to act with this belief. You see that on display this quarter. I think for us, share repurchases are a great way to return capital. They shrink the share count. They are accretive for EPS, we have a very strong view about repurchases given where the equity is today. If you look at the board, the board has been very supportive, we're very appreciative. They just approved a $6 billion authorization, our goal is to use it. I think for us, we see a lot of long-term value in the investments we're making.
Patrick Dumont: First off, we see meaningful value in both LVS and SCL equity, we're going to continue to act with this belief. You see that on display this quarter. I think for us, share repurchases are a great way to return capital. They shrink the share count. They are accretive for EPS, we have a very strong view about repurchases given where the equity is today. If you look at the board, the board has been very supportive, we're very appreciative. They just approved a $6 billion authorization, our goal is to use it. I think for us, we see a lot of long-term value in the investments we're making.
Speaker #5: And we're going to continue to act with this belief. And so you see that on display this quarter. I think for us, share repurchases are a great way to return capital, to shrink the share count—they are accretive for EPS.
Speaker #5: And we have a very strong view about repurchases, given where the equity is today. If you look at the Board—and the Board has been very supportive—we're very appreciative.
Speaker #5: They just approved a $6 billion authorization, and our goal is to use it. So, I think for us, we see a lot of long-term value in the investments we're making.
Speaker #5: We feel very strongly about the markets that we're in, and so we're going to continue to be aggressive in the way that we think about the value of our equity and how we repurchase stock.
Patrick Dumont: We feel very strongly about the markets that we're in, we're going to continue to be aggressive in the way that we think about the value of our equity and how we repurchase stock.
Patrick Dumont: We feel very strongly about the markets that we're in, we're going to continue to be aggressive in the way that we think about the value of our equity and how we repurchase stock.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. The next question will be from George Choi from Citigroup. George, your line is live.
Chad Beynon: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Chad Beynon: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from George Choi from Citigroup. George, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from George Choi from Citigroup. George, your line is live.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much for taking my questions. If I remember correctly, you guys started optimizing your play with investments in June of last year.
George Choi: Thank you very much for taking my questions. If I remember correctly, you guys started optimizing your play investments in June of last year. Are you comfortable with the way it's going now versus your competitors? I guess more importantly, do you believe you can get back to the EBITDA market share that you used to obtain without changing your current play with investment strategies?
George Choi: Thank you very much for taking my questions. If I remember correctly, you guys started optimizing your play investments in June of last year. Are you comfortable with the way it's going now versus your competitors? I guess more importantly, do you believe you can get back to the EBITDA market share that you used to obtain without changing your current play with investment strategies?
Speaker #3: Are you comfortable with the way it's going now versus your competitors? And I guess more importantly, do you believe you can get back to the EBITDA market share that you used to attain without changing your current playbook or investment strategies?
Speaker #5: Thanks, George, for the question. On reinvestment—yes, we started to make a step change in our reinvestment levels from the second half of last year.
Grant Chum: Thanks, George, for the question. On reinvestment, yes, we started to make a step change in our reinvestment levels from H2 of last year. As we have gone through the last four quarters, we've been able to be more efficient in the way we reinvest, especially at some of those higher-end customer segments. I think H1 of this year, we've seen that we've been able to continue to gain share, but whilst staying at a lower level of reinvestment versus Q4 of last year. We're happy at how it's working out, but we will stay alert to how the market environment adjusts, and we'll stay close to the market. The goal is most definitely to continue to optimize into H2 and to earn a higher gross margin from this higher level of revenue.
Grant Chum: Thanks, George, for the question. On reinvestment, yes, we started to make a step change in our reinvestment levels from H2 of last year. As we have gone through the last four quarters, we've been able to be more efficient in the way we reinvest, especially at some of those higher-end customer segments. I think H1 of this year, we've seen that we've been able to continue to gain share, but whilst staying at a lower level of reinvestment versus Q4 of last year. We're happy at how it's working out, but we will stay alert to how the market environment adjusts, and we'll stay close to the market. The goal is most definitely to continue to optimize into H2 and to earn a higher gross margin from this higher level of revenue.
Speaker #5: And as we have gone through the last four quarters, we've been able to be more efficient in the way we reinvest, especially at some of those higher-end customer segments.
Speaker #5: And I think the first half of this year, we've seen that we've been able to continue to gain share, but while staying at a lower level of reinvestment versus the fourth quarter of last year.
Speaker #5: So we're happy with how it's working out. But we will stay alert to how the market environment adjusts, and we'll stay close to the market.
Speaker #5: But the goal is most definitely to continue to optimize into the second half and to earn a higher gross margin from this higher level of revenue.
Speaker #5: You know what? I appreciate the question. Our goal is to get back to our EBITDA market share, and that's why we're investing. But in order for us to do it, we need to see some market growth.
Patrick Dumont: I appreciate the question. Our goal is to get back to our EBITDA market share, and that's why we're investing. In order for us to do it, we need to see some market growth. We need to continue with our reinvestment program and the approach that we're taking today. We need to see the high-value product come online in the way that we've seen with the Londoner Grand, the Londoner Court, and the Grand Suites at Four Seasons. As we continue The Venetian renovation, as we work through the rest of the properties that we're planning on investing in, as we get that higher value product, as Grant mentioned earlier, as we continue to have the highest level of service, we will have the opportunity to grow back to that level of EBITDA. That's what our goal is.
Patrick Dumont: I appreciate the question. Our goal is to get back to our EBITDA market share, and that's why we're investing. In order for us to do it, we need to see some market growth. We need to continue with our reinvestment program and the approach that we're taking today. We need to see the high-value product come online in the way that we've seen with the Londoner Grand, the Londoner Court, and the Grand Suites at Four Seasons. As we continue The Venetian renovation, as we work through the rest of the properties that we're planning on investing in, as we get that higher value product, as Grant mentioned earlier, as we continue to have the highest level of service, we will have the opportunity to grow back to that level of EBITDA. That's what our goal is.
Speaker #5: We need to continue with our reinvestment program and the approach that we're taking today. We need to see the high-value product come online in the way that we've seen with The Londoner Grand, The Londoner Court, and the Grand Suites at Four Seasons.
Speaker #5: So as we continue the Venetian renovation, as we work through the rest of the property that we've the rest of the properties that we're planning on investing in, as we get that higher-value product and as Grant mentioned earlier, as we continue to have the highest level of service we will have the opportunity to grow back to that level of EBITDA.
Speaker #5: That's what our goal is.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much. And as a follow-up, we noticed that you have a very strong lineup of events and concerts in Macau for the next several months, which is very encouraging.
George Choi: Thank you very much. As a follow-up, we noticed that you have a very strong lineup of events and concerts in Macau for the next several months, which is very encouraging. Just wondering how would you describe the current level of competition on getting top tier artists to perform at your Venetian and London arenas versus other venues in Macau?
George Choi: Thank you very much. As a follow-up, we noticed that you have a very strong lineup of events and concerts in Macau for the next several months, which is very encouraging. Just wondering how would you describe the current level of competition on getting top tier artists to perform at your Venetian and London arenas versus other venues in Macau?
Speaker #3: Just wondering, how would you describe the current level of competition in getting top-tier artists to perform at your Venetian and Londoner arenas, versus other venues in Macau?
Speaker #5: Thanks, George, for that question. The competition in entertainment content is fairly intense across the region, so it will be acts that are stopping in Asia, where Macau as the destination is competing against other cities in the region.
Grant Chum: Thanks, George, for that question. The competition in entertainment content is fairly intense across the region. It will be acts that are stopping in Asia, where Macau as a destination is competing for against the other cities in the region. That hasn't really changed versus the last 2 years. Within Macau, there is obviously more entertainment acts going on, and therefore, there is competition for similar acts. However, as you just highlighted, we have a very strong lineup into the H2, and we feel very good about our event calendar able to drive all segments of the business. We've seen some positive impact from these events in the first 6 months of the year. The H2 looks very strong for us, especially as we build into August, September, and obviously culminating in the NBA games in October.
Grant Chum: Thanks, George, for that question. The competition in entertainment content is fairly intense across the region. It will be acts that are stopping in Asia, where Macau as a destination is competing for against the other cities in the region. That hasn't really changed versus the last 2 years. Within Macau, there is obviously more entertainment acts going on, and therefore, there is competition for similar acts. However, as you just highlighted, we have a very strong lineup into the H2, and we feel very good about our event calendar able to drive all segments of the business. We've seen some positive impact from these events in the first 6 months of the year. The H2 looks very strong for us, especially as we build into August, September, and obviously culminating in the NBA games in October.
Speaker #5: That hasn't really changed compared to the last two years. Within Macau, there are obviously more entertainment acts going on, and therefore, there is competition for similar acts.
Speaker #5: However, as you just highlighted, we have a very strong lineup going into the second half. We feel very good about our event calendar being able to drive all segments of the business.
Speaker #5: And we've seen some positive impact from these events in the first six months of the year. But the second half looks very strong for us, especially as we build into August, September, and then obviously culminating in the NBA games in October.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much for the color.
George Choi: Thank you very much for the color.
George Choi: Thank you very much for the color.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Trey Bowers from Wells Fargo. Trey, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Trey Bowers from Wells Fargo. Trey, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Trey Bowers from Wells Fargo. Trey, your line is live.
Speaker #3: Hi, it's Zach Silverberg filling in for Trey. Thank you for taking our questions. The first one on MBS: theoretical VIP hold in Flight 11 ticked up quarter over quarter despite a change in mix.
Zach Silverberg: Hi, it's Zach Silverberg filling in for Trey. Thank you for taking our questions. The first one on MBS. Theoretical VIP hold in slide 11 ticked up quarter-over-quarter despite a change in mix on visitation, as you called out in June. Can you kind of unpack that a little bit? What drove the theoretical hold to tick up quarter-over-quarter despite these changes?
Zach Silverberg: Hi, it's Zach Silverberg filling in for Trey. Thank you for taking our questions. The first one on MBS. Theoretical VIP hold in slide 11 ticked up quarter-over-quarter despite a change in mix on visitation, as you called out in June. Can you kind of unpack that a little bit? What drove the theoretical hold to tick up quarter-over-quarter despite these changes?
Speaker #3: On visitation, as you called out in June, can you kind of unpack that a little bit? What drove the theoretical hold to tick up quarter over quarter despite these changes?
Speaker #5: Well, first off, Zach, welcome to the LVS earnings call.
Patrick Dumont: Well, first off, Zach, welcome to the LVS earnings call.
Patrick Dumont: Well, first off, Zach, welcome to the LVS earnings call.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Zach Silverberg: Thank you.
Zach Silverberg: Thank you.
Patrick Dumont: In terms of the 4.2%, as we talked about last quarter, who shows up in the building and how they play really matters for our theoretical hold percentage. We talked about last quarter with our $18 billion worth of rolling volume, which, as you mentioned, is on page 11 of our earnings slides. You can see that we held 3.6%. That was actually a barbell where we had many of our patrons who play to a higher level of hold theoretically, and then a few patrons who are very concentrated, who play to a high volume at a lower theoretical hold.
Speaker #5: So in terms of the 4.2%, as we talked about last quarter, who shows up in the building and how they play really matters for our theoretical hold percentage.
Patrick Dumont: In terms of the 4.2%, as we talked about last quarter, who shows up in the building and how they play really matters for our theoretical hold percentage. We talked about last quarter with our $18 billion worth of rolling volume, which, as you mentioned, is on page 11 of our earnings slides. You can see that we held 3.6%. That was actually a barbell where we had many of our patrons who play to a higher level of hold theoretically, and then a few patrons who are very concentrated, who play to a high volume at a lower theoretical hold.
Speaker #5: And we talked about last quarter with our $18 billion worth of rolling volume, which, as you mentioned, is on page 11 of our earnings slides.
Speaker #5: You can see that we held 3.6. That was actually a barbell, where we had many of our patrons who play to a higher level of hold, theoretically.
Speaker #5: And then a few patrons were very concentrated, who played to a high volume at a lower theoretical hold. In this case, you can look at our volumes of $9.3 billion, which were exceptional in any consideration for the quarter.
Patrick Dumont: In this case, you can look at our volumes of $9.3 billion, which were exceptional in any consideration for a Q2, but note that the players who were in the building played on more of the side bets, played more of the higher value bets with more volatility, and that's what generated the 4.2% theoretical hold for the quarter.
Patrick Dumont: In this case, you can look at our volumes of $9.3 billion, which were exceptional in any consideration for a Q2, but note that the players who were in the building played on more of the side bets, played more of the higher value bets with more volatility, and that's what generated the 4.2% theoretical hold for the quarter.
Speaker #5: But note that the players who were in the building played more of the side bets, played more of the higher-value bets with more volatility.
Speaker #5: And that's what generated the 4.2% theoretical hold for the quarter.
Speaker #3: Thanks. And for my follow-up, just following up on Robin's question earlier on Macau outbacks, have you guys known how to strike the right balance between opex and kind of the rolling volume share gains you've seen?
Zach Silverberg: Thanks. For my follow-up, just following up on Robyn's question earlier on Macau OpEx. How do you guys know how to strike the right balance between OpEx and kind of the rolling volume share gains you've seen? I guess, in other words, is there an opportunity to lean in more on the service levels if you're still taking this high-end share?
Zach Silverberg: Thanks. For my follow-up, just following up on Robyn's question earlier on Macau OpEx. How do you guys know how to strike the right balance between OpEx and kind of the rolling volume share gains you've seen? I guess, in other words, is there an opportunity to lean in more on the service levels if you're still taking this high-end share?
Speaker #3: I guess, in other words, is there an opportunity to lean in more on the service levels if you're still taking this high-end share?
Speaker #5: I think you have to divide between the different components of the additional headcount that we've invested in. First of all, the biggest headcount increase has come from our investment in additional operating hours in table games.
Grant Chum: I think you have to divide between the different components of the additional headcount that we've invested in. First of all, the biggest headcount increases come from our investment in additional operating hours in table games. That actually feeds all segments of the market. That obviously leverages our scale advantage with our 1,680 tables. First off, that's a multi-segment investment. In terms of the sales distribution and the service elevation, those are more targeted at the premium segments, but not only to rolling segment, also into the premium mass table games. All three components have started to benefit our revenue capture, but certainly position us much, much better for the future, as we bring on some of these product upgrades in the portfolio as they progressively complete over the next two years.
Grant Chum: I think you have to divide between the different components of the additional headcount that we've invested in. First of all, the biggest headcount increases come from our investment in additional operating hours in table games. That actually feeds all segments of the market. That obviously leverages our scale advantage with our 1,680 tables. First off, that's a multi-segment investment. In terms of the sales distribution and the service elevation, those are more targeted at the premium segments, but not only to rolling segment, also into the premium mass table games. All three components have started to benefit our revenue capture, but certainly position us much, much better for the future, as we bring on some of these product upgrades in the portfolio as they progressively complete over the next two years.
Speaker #5: And that actually feeds all segments of the market, and that obviously leverages our scale advantage with our 1,680 tables. So, first off, that's a multi-segment investment.
Speaker #5: In terms of the sales distribution and the service elevation, those are more targeted at the premium segments, but not only to the rolling segment—also into the premium mass table games.
Speaker #5: And all three components have started to benefit our revenue capture, but certainly position us much, much better for the future as we bring on some of these product upgrades in the portfolio as they progressively complete over the next two years.
Speaker #5: So, we are very happy that we've made the step changes in the investments in table hours, sales, and service elevation. The bulk of those additional investments have already been made.
Grant Chum: We're very happy that we've made the step changes in the investments, in table hours, sales, and service elevation. The bulk of those additional investments have already been made, but we'll continue to tweak and add as needed, in accordance with the market growth opportunities.
Grant Chum: We're very happy that we've made the step changes in the investments, in table hours, sales, and service elevation. The bulk of those additional investments have already been made, but we'll continue to tweak and add as needed, in accordance with the market growth opportunities.
Speaker #5: But we'll continue to tweak and add as needed, in accordance with the market growth opportunities.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Zach Silverberg: Thank you.
Zach Silverberg: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Zach.
Patrick Dumont: Thanks, Zach.
Patrick Dumont: Thanks, Zach.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from Joe Stout from SIG. Joe, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Joe Stauff from SIG. Joe, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Joe Stauff from SIG. Joe, your line is live.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Patrick, I was wondering if you could—sorry, one follow-up on the World Cup. I was wondering if you could possibly size the World Cup impact in July relative to what you saw in June?
Joseph Stauff: Thank you. Patrick, one follow-up on World Cup. I was wondering if you could possibly size the World Cup impact in July relative to what you saw in June.
Joseph Stauff: Thank you. Patrick, one follow-up on World Cup. I was wondering if you could possibly size the World Cup impact in July relative to what you saw in June.
Patrick Dumont: Sorry, I can't. We just had a lot of people who weren't there.
Patrick Dumont: Sorry, I can't. We just had a lot of people who weren't there.
Speaker #4: Sorry, I can't. We just had a lot of people who weren't there. It really captivated the whole world, and if you sort of follow Southeast Asia and the Asian region, European football is the most popular sport.
Joseph Stauff: Yeah.
Joseph Stauff: Yeah.
Patrick Dumont: Like, it really captivated the whole world, if you sort of follow Southeast Asia and the Asian region, European football is the most popular sport. That and basketball are the two most popular sports. I think just anecdotally, we had a lot of people not around.
Patrick Dumont: Like, it really captivated the whole world, if you sort of follow Southeast Asia and the Asian region, European football is the most popular sport. That and basketball are the two most popular sports. I think just anecdotally, we had a lot of people not around.
Speaker #4: That and basketball are the two most popular sports, and so I think you could just see anecdotally, we had a lot of people not around. It ended on Sunday.
Joseph Stauff: Understood.
Joseph Stauff: Understood.
Operator 1: It ended last Sunday.
Operator: It ended last Sunday.
Patrick Dumont: It ended on Sunday. Let's talk again in 92 days, and we'll let you know what happened.
Patrick Dumont: It ended on Sunday. Let's talk again in 92 days, and we'll let you know what happened.
Speaker #4: So let's talk again in 92 days, and we'll let you know what happened.
Speaker #6: Fair enough. And then on MBS, like Dan was asking earlier, we're a year into the launch of the new renovations. Is there any way or measure you can give us in terms of the new customer development? Where are you in that, in terms of, again, kind of like the highest end number of population set that you have?
Joseph Stauff: Fair enough. At MBS, like Dan was asking earlier, we're a year into the launch of the new renovations. Is there any way or measure you can give us in terms of the new customer development, where you are in that, in terms of, again, kind of like the highest end number of population set that you have? Where are you in that development? Are you early? If there's any sense you can give us in terms of that. It's been a year, so you probably see some patterns, but just wondering how much is left.
Joseph Stauff: Fair enough. At MBS, like Dan was asking earlier, we're a year into the launch of the new renovations. Is there any way or measure you can give us in terms of the new customer development, where you are in that, in terms of, again, kind of like the highest end number of population set that you have? Where are you in that development? Are you early? If there's any sense you can give us in terms of that. It's been a year, so you probably see some patterns, but just wondering how much is left.
Speaker #6: Where are you in that development? Are you early? If there's any sense you can give us in terms of that, it's been a year.
Speaker #6: So you probably see some patterns, but just wondering how much is left.
Speaker #4: So I think it's early days yet in the market for high-value tourism in Southeast Asia. If you look at the population size, if you look at the economies in the countries that are the catchment area—where our tourists come from and where the tourists that come to Singapore come from—there is a huge amount of foreign direct creation.
Patrick Dumont: I think it's early days yet in the market for high-value tourism in Southeast Asia. If you look at the population size, if you look at the economies in the countries in our catchment area, where our tourists come from, and where the tourists that come to Singapore come from, there is a huge amount of foreign direct investment. There is a huge amount of wealth creation. And there are a lot of young people who are becoming very successful as entrepreneurs. And many of those people want to come to Singapore. And so we are the beneficiary of Singapore's status in Southeast Asia and Asia in general as an incredibly desirable tourism destination for high-value tourists. The most successful people in Asia are coming to Singapore, and they keep growing. And their wealth keeps compounding.
Patrick Dumont: I think it's early days yet in the market for high-value tourism in Southeast Asia. If you look at the population size, if you look at the economies in the countries in our catchment area, where our tourists come from, and where the tourists that come to Singapore come from, there is a huge amount of foreign direct investment. There is a huge amount of wealth creation. And there are a lot of young people who are becoming very successful as entrepreneurs. And many of those people want to come to Singapore. And so we are the beneficiary of Singapore's status in Southeast Asia and Asia in general as an incredibly desirable tourism destination for high-value tourists. The most successful people in Asia are coming to Singapore, and they keep growing. And their wealth keeps compounding.
Speaker #4: There are a lot of young people who are becoming very successful as entrepreneurs, and many of them want to come to Singapore.
Speaker #4: And so we are the beneficiary of Singapore's status in Southeast Asia, and Asia in general, as an incredibly desirable tourism destination for high-value tourists.
Speaker #4: The most successful people in Asia are coming to Singapore, and they keep growing, and their wealth keeps compounding. So, you have the benefit of our patrons creating more wealth over time for themselves and growing within the MBS ecosystem.
Patrick Dumont: You have the benefit of our patrons creating more wealth over time for themselves and growing within the MBS ecosystem. And then you have a lot of new patrons who we've never seen before, who are very successful in our catchment area, showing up because they want to experience the great things that MBS has on offer: entertainment, hospitality, food and beverage. Most very importantly, retail. That's a huge component of our customer activity and, of course, gaming. And all of these things come together and create a very unique high-level experience. We also have a lot of customers who are very successful, who are also MICE customers. Where we're located and Singapore's focus on MICE tourism and facilitating trade and business creates a lot of opportunities for very high-net-worth people to have MICE interactions on our property and then return again and be leisure patrons or do both.
Patrick Dumont: You have the benefit of our patrons creating more wealth over time for themselves and growing within the MBS ecosystem. And then you have a lot of new patrons who we've never seen before, who are very successful in our catchment area, showing up because they want to experience the great things that MBS has on offer: entertainment, hospitality, food and beverage. Most very importantly, retail. That's a huge component of our customer activity and, of course, gaming. And all of these things come together and create a very unique high-level experience. We also have a lot of customers who are very successful, who are also MICE customers. Where we're located and Singapore's focus on MICE tourism and facilitating trade and business creates a lot of opportunities for very high-net-worth people to have MICE interactions on our property and then return again and be leisure patrons or do both.
Speaker #4: And then you have a lot of new patrons who we've never seen before, who are very successful in our catchment area, showing up because they want to experience the great things that MBS has on offer.
Speaker #4: And entertainment, hospitality, food and beverage, and most very importantly, retail—that's a huge component of our customer activity. And of course, gaming. All of these things come together and create a very unique, high-level experience.
Speaker #4: We also have a lot of customers who are very successful, who are also MICE customers. Where we're located, and Singapore's focus on MICE tourism and facilitating trade and business, creates a lot of opportunities for very high-net-worth people to have MICE interactions on our property and then return again and be leisure patrons, or do both.
Speaker #4: So we think we're in the very, very early innings of the Marina Bay Sands story. And, to be fair, of the story of Singapore's success as a center of trade and business.
Patrick Dumont: We think we're in very early innings of the Marina Bay Sands story and, to be fair, of the story of Singapore's success as a center of trade and business. We're very excited about the long-term opportunity there, about the investments we're making, and about the patron profile that we have and how so many of them are young, and how they're creating wealth, and how the economies are developing in and around Singapore, all throughout Southeast Asia. Thanks, Frederick.
Patrick Dumont: We think we're in very early innings of the Marina Bay Sands story and, to be fair, of the story of Singapore's success as a center of trade and business. We're very excited about the long-term opportunity there, about the investments we're making, and about the patron profile that we have and how so many of them are young, and how they're creating wealth, and how the economies are developing in and around Singapore, all throughout Southeast Asia. Thanks, Frederick.
Speaker #4: So we're very excited about the long-term opportunity there, about the investments we're making, and about the patron profile that we have, and how so many of them are young.
Speaker #4: And how they're creating wealth, and how the economies are developing in and around Singapore, all throughout Southeast Asia.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Patrick.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from David Katz with Jefferies. David, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from David Katz from Jefferies. David, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from David Katz from Jefferies. David, your line is live.
Speaker #7: Hi, everyone. Thanks for including me—I appreciate it. I wanted to get a long-term perspective on capital spending in Macao. I'm looking at your slide 21, and I see you have $600 million next year and the year after.
David Katz: Hi, everyone. Thanks for including me. Appreciate it. I wanted to just get a long-term perspective on capital spending in Macau. I'm looking at your slide 21, and I see you have $600 million next year and the year after. What should we think about being included in there? As we look out longer term, is that a rate that you expect you can continue to maintain and work your way across the portfolio, in Cotai, as you've been doing?
David Katz: Hi, everyone. Thanks for including me. Appreciate it. I wanted to just get a long-term perspective on capital spending in Macau. I'm looking at your slide 21, and I see you have $600 million next year and the year after. What should we think about being included in there? As we look out longer term, is that a rate that you expect you can continue to maintain and work your way across the portfolio, in Cotai, as you've been doing?
Speaker #7: What should we consider including in there? And as we look out longer-term, is that a rate you expect you can continue to maintain?
Speaker #7: And work your way across the portfolio in Cotai as you've been doing?
Speaker #4: So the reason why we show that capex on top of the maintenance is to invest for growth. So, as we talked about before, and as I said in the prepared remarks, we have looked for the highest-returning, highest cash flow-generating projects that we can undertake in the near term to begin to grow the business and head towards, as Joyge described, our previous levels of EBITDA.
Patrick Dumont: The reason why we show that CapEx on top of the maintenance is to invest for growth. As we talked about before, and I said in the prepared remarks, we have looked for the highest returning, highest cash flow generating projects that we can undertake in the near term to begin to grow the business and head towards, as George described, as our previous levels of EBITDA and our previous EBITDA share. We're very focused on growing this business, and the way we have to grow this business is through investment in the three pillars we talked about. One of those pillars is great product. We've shown success, and we've shown meaningful returns on the capital we've deployed in product to address our high-value premium mass at super premium mass segments.
Patrick Dumont: The reason why we show that CapEx on top of the maintenance is to invest for growth. As we talked about before, and I said in the prepared remarks, we have looked for the highest returning, highest cash flow generating projects that we can undertake in the near term to begin to grow the business and head towards, as George described, as our previous levels of EBITDA and our previous EBITDA share. We're very focused on growing this business, and the way we have to grow this business is through investment in the three pillars we talked about. One of those pillars is great product. We've shown success, and we've shown meaningful returns on the capital we've deployed in product to address our high-value premium mass at super premium mass segments.
Speaker #4: And our previous EBITDA share. We're very focused on growing this business, and the way we have to grow this business is through investment in the three pillars we talked about.
Speaker #4: And one of those pillars is great product. And we've shown success, and we've shown meaningful returns on the capital we've deployed. And product to address our high-value premium mass and super premium mass segments.
Speaker #4: And on the rolling segment at the higher VIP level, which you see in our volumes in Macao. And so, we intend to invest to create the opportunity to grow the business.
Patrick Dumont: On the rolling segment at the higher VIP level, which you see in our volumes in Macau. We intend to invest to create the opportunity to grow the business. That's why you see that number there. We'll continue for a bit. We'll keep going, but we're going to see returns from this CapEx, or we wouldn't be doing it.
Patrick Dumont: On the rolling segment at the higher VIP level, which you see in our volumes in Macau. We intend to invest to create the opportunity to grow the business. That's why you see that number there. We'll continue for a bit. We'll keep going, but we're going to see returns from this CapEx, or we wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker #4: And that's why you see that number there. So, we'll continue for a bit. We'll keep going. But we're going to see returns from this capex, or we wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker #7: Okay, fair enough. And just one detail—apologies if you've already mentioned it; I can go back and look it up. Did you tell us how many rooms are out at the Venetian?
David Katz: Okay. Fair enough. Just one detail. Apologies if you've already mentioned it. I can go back and look it up. Did you tell us how many rooms are out at The Venetian and we should expect out per quarter just so we can get our model set up the right way?
David Katz: Okay. Fair enough. Just one detail. Apologies if you've already mentioned it. I can go back and look it up. Did you tell us how many rooms are out at The Venetian and we should expect out per quarter just so we can get our model set up the right way?
Speaker #7: And we should expect out per quarter, just so we can get our model set up the right way.
Speaker #5: Yeah, David. It's approximately 400 keys out of inventory on average for the second quarter. You can assume that figure will fluctuate between 400 to 500 every quarter.
Grant Chum: Yeah, David. It's approximately 400 keys out of inventory on average for the Q2, You can assume that figure will fluctuate between four to 500 every quarter between now and into 2027.
Grant Chum: Yeah, David. It's approximately 400 keys out of inventory on average for the Q2, You can assume that figure will fluctuate between four to 500 every quarter between now and into 2027.
Speaker #5: Between now and into 2027.
Speaker #7: That'll work. Thank you very much.
David Katz: That'll work. Thank you very much.
David Katz: That'll work. Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question will be from the next question will be from Steve Wojcicki from STEFO. Steve, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you.
David Katz: Thanks
David Katz: Thanks.
Operator 1: The next question will be from Steven Wieczynski from Stifel. Steven, your line is live.
Operator: The next question will be from Steven Wieczynski from Stifel. Steven, your line is live.
Speaker #7: Yeah, hey guys. Good afternoon. Just one question from me. So, Patrick, you talked a lot so far about the reinvestment rate in the Macao market for yourselves.
Steven Wieczynski: Yeah. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Just one question from me. Patrick, you talked a lot about, so far about the reinvestment rate in the Macau market for yourselves. Wondering if you could comment on your peer group as well in terms of maybe what you're seeing out there across the entire market and how you guys are thinking about the rate of reinvestment for the whole market. Maybe a better way to ask that is, when could the entire market maybe start to slow that reinvestment rate down?
Steven Wieczynski: Yeah. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Just one question from me. Patrick, you talked a lot about, so far about the reinvestment rate in the Macau market for yourselves. Wondering if you could comment on your peer group as well in terms of maybe what you're seeing out there across the entire market and how you guys are thinking about the rate of reinvestment for the whole market. Maybe a better way to ask that is, when could the entire market maybe start to slow that reinvestment rate down?
Speaker #7: But I was wondering if you could comment on your peer group as well, in terms of maybe what you're seeing out there across the entire market, and how you guys are thinking about the rate of reinvestment for the whole market.
Speaker #7: Or maybe a better way to ask that is, when could the entire market maybe start to slow that reinvestment rate down?
Speaker #4: So, I think, first off, our approach isn't changing, as I mentioned before in the prepared remarks and as Grant said earlier. We're going to continue to approach this the same way.
Patrick Dumont: I think first off, I think our approach isn't changing. As I mentioned before in the prepared remarks, as Grant said earlier, we're going to continue to approach this the same way. I think what we're seeing in the market now is some stability, some movement. I think in the long run, as the market grows, there will be less pressure and people will have the opportunity to make more money. Grant, I don't know if there's anything else you want to add.
Patrick Dumont: I think first off, I think our approach isn't changing. As I mentioned before in the prepared remarks, as Grant said earlier, we're going to continue to approach this the same way. I think what we're seeing in the market now is some stability, some movement. I think in the long run, as the market grows, there will be less pressure and people will have the opportunity to make more money. Grant, I don't know if there's anything else you want to add.
Speaker #4: And I think what we're seeing in the market now is some stability, some movement. But I think, in the long run, as the market grows, there will be less pressure.
Speaker #4: And people have the opportunity to make more money. But Grant, I don't know if there's anything else you want to add.
Speaker #5: I think that's exactly right. As revenues grow in the market, there will be some kind of decompression underneath to continuously elevate the reinvestment levels.
Grant Chum: I think that's exactly right. As revenues grow in the market, there will be some kind of decompression on the need to continuously elevate the reinvestment levels. The competition environment hasn't really changed for the past several quarters, as we've continuously said on this call, our approach has been very consistent, especially since the start of the year. We'll continue to look to optimize that reinvestment, we're cognizant of any changes in the market as well. We will be adjusting in accordance with that. At this stage, we don't see any significant change in the competitive landscape as far as reinvestment is concerned.
Grant Chum: I think that's exactly right. As revenues grow in the market, there will be some kind of decompression on the need to continuously elevate the reinvestment levels. The competition environment hasn't really changed for the past several quarters, as we've continuously said on this call, our approach has been very consistent, especially since the start of the year. We'll continue to look to optimize that reinvestment, we're cognizant of any changes in the market as well. We will be adjusting in accordance with that. At this stage, we don't see any significant change in the competitive landscape as far as reinvestment is concerned.
Speaker #5: The competition environment hasn't really changed for the past several quarters. And as we've continuously said on this call, our approach has been very consistent especially since the start of the year.
Speaker #5: And we'll continue to look to optimize that reinvestment, but we're cognizant of any changes in the market as well, so we will be adjusting in accordance with that.
Speaker #5: But at this stage, we don't see any significant change in the competitive landscape as far as reinvestment is concerned.
Speaker #7: Okay, great. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.
Steven Wieczynski: Okay, great. Thanks. I appreciate it.
Steven Wieczynski: Okay, great. Thanks. I appreciate it.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Steve.
Daniel Briggs: Thanks, Steven.
Daniel Briggs: Thanks, Steven.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And the next question will be from Steve Pisella from Deutsche Bank. Steve, your line is live.
Operator 1: Thank you. The next question will be from Stephen Pizzella from Deutsche Bank. Steven, your line is live.
Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Stephen Pizzella from Deutsche Bank. Steven, your line is live.
Steven Pizzella: Hey, good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for the question. Just one from us following up on the World Cup one more time. As you look back at historical World Cups versus this one, is there any reason that this year would've had a higher impact versus past World Cups? Could it be what's driving the market this year or the location in the US, or any thoughts on that? Thank you.
Steven Pizzella: Hey, good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for the question. Just one from us following up on the World Cup one more time. As you look back at historical World Cups versus this one, is there any reason that this year would've had a higher impact versus past World Cups? Could it be what's driving the market this year or the location in the US, or any thoughts on that? Thank you.
Speaker #3: Hey, good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for the question. Just one from us, following up on the World Cup one more time. As you look back at historical World Cups versus this one, is there any reason that this year would have had a higher impact versus past World Cups?
Speaker #3: Could it be what’s driving the market this year, or the location in the US? Any thoughts on that? Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Thank you, really appreciate the question. A couple of thoughts. So, first off, this World Cup had a larger number of teams participating, so that was maybe one factor.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah. Thank you. Really appreciate the question. A couple of thoughts. First off, this World Cup had a larger number of teams participating. That was maybe one factor. Being in the US, given the infrastructure and tourism infrastructure here, including airports, hotel rooms, and the ability to attract tourists from all over the world, was another benefit for the World Cup, maybe not for visitation to Macau and Singapore, but definitely for the World Cup. I think just the increase in viewership of European football globally over the years probably hasn't hurt and the star power of some of the players that were participating. There are some players there that are really of note and generational talents, and this might be maybe their last World Cup or their first World Cup. There was a lot of interest.
Patrick Dumont: Yeah. Thank you. Really appreciate the question. A couple of thoughts. First off, this World Cup had a larger number of teams participating. That was maybe one factor. Being in the US, given the infrastructure and tourism infrastructure here, including airports, hotel rooms, and the ability to attract tourists from all over the world, was another benefit for the World Cup, maybe not for visitation to Macau and Singapore, but definitely for the World Cup. I think just the increase in viewership of European football globally over the years probably hasn't hurt and the star power of some of the players that were participating. There are some players there that are really of note and generational talents, and this might be maybe their last World Cup or their first World Cup. There was a lot of interest.
Speaker #4: Being in the U.S., given the infrastructure and tourism infrastructure here, including airports, hotel rooms, and the ability to attract tourists from all over the world, was another benefit.
Speaker #4: For the World Cup, maybe not for visitation to Macao and Singapore, but definitely for the World Cup. I think just the increase in viewership of European football globally over the years probably hasn't hurt, and the star power of some of the players that were participating.
Speaker #4: There are some players there that are really of note and generational talents. And this might be maybe their last World Cup, or their first World Cup.
Speaker #4: So there was a lot of interest. And I think most importantly, the last World Cup was really during the pandemic. It was '22. Visitation to both Macao and Singapore was very different.
Patrick Dumont: I think, most importantly, the last World Cup was really during the pandemic. It was 2022. Visitation to both Macau and Singapore was very different. Transit around Asia was very different. It's very hard for us to have a comp to look at and understand what the impact could be on a run rate basis. I think you had two things here. You had an extraordinary sporting event that captivated the world, and that was one part of it. The other part is we didn't really know what would happen, because we haven't seen a World Cup in more than eight years in a normal run rate environment. There's prediction markets that weren't there four years ago, too.
Patrick Dumont: I think, most importantly, the last World Cup was really during the pandemic. It was 2022. Visitation to both Macau and Singapore was very different. Transit around Asia was very different. It's very hard for us to have a comp to look at and understand what the impact could be on a run rate basis. I think you had two things here. You had an extraordinary sporting event that captivated the world, and that was one part of it. The other part is we didn't really know what would happen, because we haven't seen a World Cup in more than eight years in a normal run rate environment. There's prediction markets that weren't there four years ago, too.
Speaker #4: Transit around Asia was very different, and so it's very hard for us to have a comp to look at and understand what the impact could be on a run-rate basis.
Speaker #4: So, I think you had two things here. You had an extraordinary sporting event that captivated the world, and that was one part of it.
Speaker #4: And then the other part is, we didn't really know what would happen because we haven't seen a World Cup in more than eight years.
Speaker #4: And in a normal run-rate environment. And there are prediction markets that weren't there four years ago, too.
Speaker #3: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Steven Pizzella: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Steven Pizzella: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And that does conclude our Q&A session for today. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. It also concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.
Operator 1: Thank you. That does conclude our Q&A session for today. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. It does also conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation.
Operator: Thank you. That does conclude our Q&A session for today. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. It does also conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation.