Q2 2026 DMC Global Inc Earnings Call

July 29, 2026

Speaker #2: If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Geoff High, VP of Investor Relations at DMC Global.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Geoff. You may begin. Hello and welcome to the DMC Second Quarter Conference Call. Presenting today are President and CEO Jim O'Leary and Chief Financial Officer Eric Walter.

Geoff High: Hello. Welcome to DMC's Q2 conference call. Presenting today are President and CEO, James O'Leary, and Chief Financial Officer, Eric Walter. I'd like to remind everyone that matters discussed during this call may include forward-looking statements that are based on our estimates, projections, and assumptions as of today's date, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that are disclosed in our filings with the SEC. Our business is subject to certain risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in our forward-looking statements. DMC assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. Today's earnings release and a related presentation on our Q2 performance are available on the investors page of our website, located at dmcglobal.com. A webcast replay of today's presentation will be available at our website shortly after the conclusion of this call.

Speaker #2: I'd like to remind everyone that matters discussed during this call may include forward-looking statements that are based on our estimates, projections, and assumptions as of today's date, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that are disclosed in our filings with the SEC.

Speaker #2: Our business is subject to certain risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in our forward-looking statements. DMC assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events.

Speaker #2: Today's earnings release and a related presentation on our second quarter performance are available on the Investors page of our website, located at dmcglobal.com. A webcast replay of today's presentation will be available at our website shortly after the conclusion of this call.

Speaker #2: And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Jim O'Leary. Jim?

Geoff High: With that, I'll now turn the call over to James O'Leary. Jim?

Speaker #3: Thanks, Geoff, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Despite continued headwinds in each of our end markets, many of the initiatives discussed in previous calls have been successful.

James O'Leary: Thanks, Geoff, thanks to everyone for joining us today. Despite continued headwinds in each of our end markets, many of the initiatives discussed in previous calls have been successful, notably at Arcadia. As a result, Q2 consolidated sales of $157 million were at the high end of our forecasted range, while adjusted EBITDA attributable to DMC of $10.7 million exceeded the high end of our range. Arcadia's Q2 sales increased 9% year over year and 19% sequentially, marking its strongest quarterly sales performance since Q2 of 2024 and the best EBITDA performance in over a year. These results were delivered despite a still horrible commercial construction market. The American Institute of Architects reported last week that its Architectural Billings Index has now gone 41 consecutive months without a majority of the firms reporting billings growth.

Speaker #3: Notably, at Arcadia. As a result, second quarter consolidated sales of 157 million dollars were at the high end of our forecasted range. While adjusted EBITDA attributable to DMC of 10.7 million dollars exceeded the high end of our range.

Speaker #3: Arcadia's second quarter sales increased 9% year over year and 19% sequentially, marking its strongest quarterly sales performance since the second quarter of 2024 and the best EBITDA performance in over a year.

Speaker #3: These results were delivered despite a still horrible commercial construction market. The American Institute of Architects reported last week that its architectural billing index has now gone 41 consecutive months without a majority of the firms reporting billings growth.

Speaker #3: This is the longest downturn in the more than 30-year history of the ABI. While demand for large, longer-term construction projects remains highly challenged, Arcadia saw improved turnover for its core short-cycle products across its regional service center network, as well as for high-end residential windows and doors.

James O'Leary: This is the longest downturn in the more than 30-year history of the ABI. While demand for large, longer-term construction projects remains highly challenged, Arcadia saw improved turnover for its core short-cycle products across its regional service center network, as well as for high-end residential windows and doors. The stronger performance reflects the efforts of Arcadia's management team to improve product availability and service, longstanding hallmarks of Arcadia's business model. Additionally, efforts to right-size our residential products offerings and refocus on attainable targets contributed significantly to Arcadia's improved performance. Sales at DynaEnergetics, our energy products business, were flat year over year, but increased 13% sequentially. Demand was steady, but unfavorable mix, increased input costs, and price pressure weighed on profitability. DynaEnergetics recently completed its first shipment of a new perforating system developed specifically for use in enhanced geothermal systems.

Speaker #3: The stronger performance reflects the efforts of Arcadia's management team to improve product availability and service, longstanding hallmarks of Arcadia's business model. Additionally, efforts to rightsize our residential products offerings and refocus on attainable targets contributed significantly to Arcadia's improved performance.

Speaker #3: Sales at Dyna Energetics, our energy products business, were flat year over year, but increased 13% sequentially. Demand was steady, but unfavorable mix, increased input costs, and price pressure put pressure on profitability.

Speaker #3: Dyna Energetics recently completed its first shipment of a new perforating system developed specifically for use in enhanced geothermal systems. EGS is emerging as a potentially significant source of baseload electricity and could represent a meaningful opportunity for Dyna Energetics.

James O'Leary: EGS is emerging as a potentially significant source of base load electricity and could represent a meaningful opportunity for DynaEnergetics. At NobelClad, our composite metals business, Q2 sales were down 17% year over year, due primarily to lower activity in the global oil and gas market. Sales were up 15% sequentially as a result of increased deliveries on a large petrochemical order. NobelClad continues to maintain a healthy backlog with increased shipments from that backlog, including order deliveries delayed by customers, should drive stronger results during H2 of the year. I'll now turn it over to Eric for a closer look at our Q2, our guidance for Q3, and some important color on our capital structure as we're on the altar of the potential put call exercise.

Speaker #3: At Noble Clad, our composite metals business, second quarter sales were down 17% year over year, due primarily to lower activity in the global oil and gas market.

Speaker #3: Sales were up 15% sequentially as a result of increased deliveries on a large petrochemical order. Noble Clad continues to maintain a healthy backlog with increased shipments from that backlog, including order deliveries delayed by customers should drive stronger results during the second half of the year.

Speaker #3: I'll now turn it over to Eric for a closer look at our second quarter, our guidance for the third quarter, and some important color on our capital structure as we're on the altar of the potential put/call exercise.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Jim. I'll start with a look at our second-quarter profitability across our businesses. Arcadia reported adjusted EBITDA margin before NCI allocation of 13.6%, up from 10.9% in the year-ago quarter and 6.9% in the first quarter.

Eric Walter: Thanks, Jim. I'll start with a look at our Q2 profitability across our businesses. Arcadia reported adjusted EBITDA margin before NCI allocation of 13.6%, up from 10.9% in the year ago quarter and 6.9% in Q1. The improvement principally reflects improved fixed cost absorption on higher sales and improved results as we successfully right-sized our residential offering. At DynaEnergetics, adjusted EBITDA margin was 8.4% and benefited from a $1.5 million tariff refund. The results were down from 13.4% last year, driven by unfavorable pricing and mix, along with higher input costs. Dyna's EBITDA margin was up from 4.6% in the prior quarter from sales growth and the tariff refund. NobelClad reported adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.7%, down from 16.5% in the year ago quarter, and up from 9.8% in Q1.

Speaker #2: The improvement principally reflects improved fixed cost absorption on higher sales and improved results as we successfully rightsized our residential offering. At Dyna Energetics, adjusted EBITDA margin was 8.4%, and benefited from a 1.5 million dollar tariff refund.

Speaker #2: The results were down from 13.4% last year driven by unfavorable pricing and mix, along with higher input costs. Dyna's EBITDA margin was up from 4.6% in the prior quarter from sales growth and the tariff refund.

Speaker #2: NobleClad reported an adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.7%, down from 16.5% in the year-ago quarter and up from 9.8% in the first quarter. Second quarter SG&A expense was $24.5 million, or 15.6% of sales, versus 16.8% of sales in the year-ago second quarter and 18.1% of sales in the first quarter.

Eric Walter: Q2 SG&A expense was $24.5 million, or 15.6% of sales, versus 16.8% of sales in the year ago Q2 and 18.1% of sales in Q1. The sequential decline principally relates to higher sales and improved operating leverage on fixed costs. Q2 adjusted net income attributable to DMC was $727,000, or $0.04 per diluted share. With respect to liquidity, we ended Q2 with cash and cash equivalents of $28.6 million. Net debt increased to $30.5 million, up from $18.7 million at our 2025 year end. The increase was primarily due to higher credit facility borrowings to fund working capital needed for business growth. Net cash used in operations was $8 million, also reflecting our investments in working capital as activity improves. Now the guidance for Q3.

Speaker #2: The sequential decline principally relates to higher sales and improved operating leverage on fixed costs. Second quarter adjusted net income attributable to DMC was $727,000, or $0.04 per diluted share.

Speaker #2: With respect to liquidity, we ended the second quarter with cash and cash equivalents of 28.6 million dollars, net debt increased to 30.5 million dollars, up from 18.7 million at our 2025 year-end.

Speaker #2: The increase was primarily due to higher credit facility borrowings to fund working capital needed for business growth. Net cash used in operations was 8 million dollars, also reflecting our investments in working capital as activity improves.

Speaker #2: And now the guidance for the third quarter. We expect sales will be in a range of 158 to 168 million dollars while adjusted EBITDA attributable to DMC is expected in a range of 10 to 13 million dollars.

Eric Walter: We expect sales will be in a range of $158 to $168 million, while adjusted EBITDA attributable to DMC is expected in a range of $10 to $13 million. The anticipated sequential improvements reflect steady performance at Arcadia, increases in well completion activity at DynaEnergetics' oil and gas and EGS markets, and increased product shipments at NobelClad. Our guidance does not contemplate increased disruptions in international supply chains due to renewed hostilities in the Middle East, which could impact both DynaEnergetics and NobelClad, continued volatility in aluminum input costs at Arcadia, or generally weaker end market conditions. As a reminder, our guidance is heavily impacted by macroeconomic conditions, including evolving tariff policies, particularly in our core energy and construction markets. Our guidance is subject to change either upward or downward as these highly volatile inputs evolve in 2026.

Speaker #2: The anticipated sequential improvements reflect steady performance at Arcadia, increases in well-completion activity at Dyna Energetics oil and gas and EGS markets, and increased product shipments at Noble Clad.

Speaker #2: Our guidance does not contemplate increased disruptions in international supply chains due to renewed hostilities in the Middle East, which could impact both Dyna Energetics and Noble Clad.

Speaker #2: Continued volatility in aluminum input costs at Arcadia or generally weaker end-market conditions. As a reminder, our guidance is heavily impacted by macroeconomic conditions, including evolving tariff policies.

Speaker #2: Particularly in our core energy and construction markets. Our guidance is subject to change either upward or downward as these highly volatile inputs evolve in 2026.

Speaker #2: Now I'd like to provide an update on the non-controlling interest in Arcadia. As a reminder, when we acquired our 60% interest in Arcadia in 2021, our joint venture partner retained a 40% ownership interest equal to a net value of approximately 162 million dollars.

Eric Walter: Now I'd like to provide an update on the non-controlling interest in Arcadia. As a reminder, when we acquired our 60% interest in Arcadia in 2021, our joint venture partner retained a 40% ownership interest equal to a net value of approximately $162 million. Under the terms of our operating agreement, DMC can acquire the remaining 40% at any time through a call option that would be settled entirely in cash. Our joint venture partner also holds a put option, which becomes exercisable on 06 September. If either the call or put option is exercised, DMC would acquire the 40% share of Arcadia's adjusted EBITDA that we currently don't own. In addition to adding the 40% of Arcadia's EBITDA and cash flow, it would considerably simplify our reporting and operating structure.

Speaker #2: Under the terms of our operating agreement, DMC can acquire the remaining 40% at any time through a call option, that would be settled entirely in cash.

Speaker #2: Our joint venture partner also holds a put option, which becomes exercisable on September 6th. If either the call or put option is exercised, DMC would acquire the 40% share of Arcadia's adjusted EBITDA that we currently don't own.

Speaker #2: In addition to adding the 40% of Arcadia's EBITDA in cash flow, it would considerably simplify our reporting and operating structure. If the put option is exercised, DMC can settle the obligation either entirely in cash or with a combination of 20% cash and 80% preferred shares.

Eric Walter: If the put option is exercised, DMC can settle the obligation either entirely in cash or a combination of 20% cash and 80% preferred shares. These preferred shares are convertible on a one-for-one basis and are mandatorily redeemable. I'd like to explain some critical considerations around any redemption of these preferred shares. Under Nasdaq rules, and as previously discussed and disclosed, the conversion and related voting rights are limited to 19.9% of DMC's outstanding common shares prior to issuance. Any conversion beyond that level would require approval from our shareholders, and the holder of the preferred shares would not be eligible to vote. This leaves any dilution above the 19.9% completely in the hands of DMC's shareholders. In terms of the mandatorily redeemable feature on the preferred shares, DMC would make equal annual cash redemptions over the subsequent three years after issuance.

Speaker #2: These preferred shares are convertible on a one-for-one basis and are mandatorily redeemable. However, I'd like to explain some critical considerations around any redemption of these preferred shares.

Speaker #2: Under NASDAQ rules and as previously discussed and disclosed, the conversion and related voting rights are limited to 19.9% of DMC's outstanding common shares prior to issuance.

Speaker #2: Any conversion beyond that level would require approval from our shareholders and the holder of the preferred shares would not be eligible to vote. This leaves any dilution above the 19.9% completely in the hands of DMC's shareholders.

Speaker #2: In terms of the mandatorily redeemable feature on the preferred shares, DMC would make equal annual cash redemptions over the subsequent three years after issuance.

Speaker #2: However, any redemption of the preferred shares is subject to DMC having sufficient legally available funds to redeem the shares. Delaware law prohibits a company from redeeming preferred shares if doing so would impair its ability to operate or adversely affect the interests of its creditors.

Eric Walter: Any redemption of the preferred shares is subject to DMC having sufficient legally available funds to redeem the shares. Delaware law prohibits a company from redeeming preferred shares if doing so would impair its ability to operate or adversely affect the interests of its creditors. This requires our board of directors to make a good faith determination each quarter as to whether DMC can meet the requirements for a redemption. Our board could not authorize any redemption that could threaten DMC's solvency or our ability to continue as a going concern. If DMC cannot redeem the preferred shares, it would not be in default under the governing document for the preferred shares. The unconverted preferred shares will remain outstanding until they can be redeemed, assuming the 19.9% has been converted.

Speaker #2: This requires our board of directors to make a good faith determination each quarter as to whether DMC can meet the requirements for a redemption.

Speaker #2: Our board could not authorize any redemption that could threaten DMC's solvency or our ability to continue as a going concern. If DMC cannot redeem the preferred shares, it would not be in default under the governing document for the preferred shares.

Speaker #2: The unconverted preferred shares will remain outstanding until they can be redeemed, assuming the 19.9% has been converted. From an accounting perspective, the redeemable preferred stock would not be considered debt until DMC borrows on its credit facility to make those redemptions.

Eric Walter: From an accounting perspective, the redeemable preferred stock would not be considered debt until DMC borrows on its credit facility to make those redemptions. Additional details regarding the redemption of the preferred shares are summarized in Note two to the financial statements in today's Form 10-Q under the title Redeemable Noncontrolling Interests. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jim.

Speaker #2: Additional details regarding the redemption of the preferred shares are summarized in Note 2 to the financial statements in today's Form 10-Q, under the title Redeemable Non-Controlling Interest.

Speaker #2: And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Jim.

Speaker #3: Thanks, Eric. As noted before, we made meaningful progress during the quarter, particularly at Arcadia, even as our end markets provided very little help. Arcadia executed on several successful performance improvement initiatives.

James O'Leary: Thanks, Eric. As noted before, we made meaningful progress during the quarter, particularly at Arcadia, even as our end markets provided very little help. Arcadia executed on several successful performance improvement initiatives. We believe it can build on this momentum, although we remain very mindful that the broader construction environment remains challenging. DynaEnergetics should benefit from the anticipated improvement in well completion activity in its core North American market during the balance of the year and hopefully continued success in the emerging EGS space. At NobelClad, a strong order backlog and the expected easing of customer-related delivery delays should drive higher shipment volumes and stronger financial results during the H2 of the year. We remain focused on disciplined execution and tight cost controls so each of our businesses can capitalize on eventually improving market conditions.

Speaker #3: We believe it can build on this momentum, although we remain very mindful that the broader construction environment remains challenging. DynaEnergetics should benefit from the anticipated improvement in well-completion activity in its core North American market during the balance of the year, and hopefully continue its success in the emerging EGS space.

Speaker #3: At Noble Clad, a strong order backlog and the expected easing of customer-related delivery delays should drive higher shipment volumes and stronger financial results during the second half of the year.

Speaker #3: We remain focused on disciplined execution and tight cost controls, so each of our businesses can capitalize eventually improving market conditions. Finally, I'd like to thank our associates for their continued hard work and focus during the quarter.

James O'Leary: Finally, I'd like to thank our associates for their continued hard work and focus during the quarter. With that, we'd be glad to take any questions.

Speaker #3: With that, we'd be glad to take any questions.

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Speaker #1: Our first question is from Jerry Sweeney with Roth Capital Partners LLC. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #2: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my call.

Gerard Sweeney: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker #3: Hey, Jerry.

James O'Leary: Hey, Jerry.

Speaker #4: Hey, Jerry.

Jim Schladen: Hey, Jerry.

Gerard Sweeney: I wanted to start with Arcadia. On the Q1 earnings, you did discuss some supply chain constraints that hampered the short cycle business. Obviously we saw some improvement in Q2. Did you recapture all the lost business, or is there still some more opportunity there to go as we look out to the rest of the year and forward?

Speaker #2: I wanted to start with Arcadia. On Q1 earnings, you did discuss some supply chain constraints that hampered the short-cycle business, and obviously, we saw some improvement in Q2.

Speaker #2: Did you recapture all the lost business, or is there still some more opportunity there to go as we look out for the rest of the year and forward?

Speaker #4: Sure. So and Jerry, I'm thinking back to whatever we said on the last quarter. The supply chain issues or costing issue, it's all around aluminum.

James O'Leary: Sure. Jerry, I'm thinking back to whatever we said on the last quarter. The supply chain issues or costing issue, it's all around aluminum.

Speaker #4: It's all around just the general environment exacerbated, obviously, by what's going on in the Middle East. Where we were capturing business, and I don't want to go too far down memory lane, but if you remember, and this goes back to the third quarter of '24, which I remember vividly, I think that was the first time I was introduced to the company.

Gerard Sweeney: Yeah.

James O'Leary: It's all around just the general environment exacerbated, obviously, by what's gone on in the Middle East. Where we're recapturing business, and I don't want to go too far down memory lane, but if you remember, and this goes back to Q3 2024, which I remember vividly. I think that was the first time I was introduced to the company. We had the goodwill write-off, and we also had just a horrible quarterly performance where we talked about supply chain disruptions, product availability, customer issues. We brought Jim Schladen back after that, and our focus was, number one, stability from end to end. Let's make sure our supply chain partners feel the love and we get that sorted out, which was really broken in that Q3.

Speaker #4: We had the goodwill write-off. And we also had just a horrible quarterly performance where we talked about supply chain disruptions, product availability, customer issues.

Speaker #4: We brought Jim Schladen back after that, and our focus was, number one, stability. From end to end, let's make sure our supply chain partners feel the love and we get that sorted out.

Speaker #4: Which was really broken in that third quarter. And let's get back to the customers who to be candid, we kind of screwed over when we didn't have product available.

James O'Leary: Let's get back the customers who, to be candid, we kind of screwed over when we didn't have product available. They rely on Arcadia. That's why we have number one positions in every one of these, the major MSAs we deal with. That was Jim's priority. With the short cycle businesses coming back now, it's not because the market's any better.

Speaker #4: They rely on Arcadia. That's why we have number one positions in every one of these major MSAs we deal with. And that was Jim's priority.

Speaker #4: And with a short cycle business is coming back now, it's not because the market's any better. It is still absolutely horrible. It's not because the long cycle business isn't any better.

Gerard Sweeney: Yeah.

James O'Leary: It is still absolutely horrible. It's not because the long cycle business isn't any better. It's still very interest rate driven, and obviously, the Fed didn't do us any favors today. The basic, Jim calls it the bread and butter business, the stuff that Arcadia was really, I don't know, founded on is wrong. The thing that made it successful in good times, bad times, through recessions, was just how important it was in the supply chain for its customers. We think we're getting that business back. It's closer to five, going on six months now, where the daily storefront business is consistently up day after day in our daily sales reports. When you don't hear about problems in the supply chain, that means something's going right. When the trains don't run, that's the only time you hear about them. That's going well, too.

Speaker #4: It's still very interest rate driven. And obviously, the Fed didn't do us any favors today. But the basic Jim calls it the bread and butter business, the stuff that Arcadia was really I don't know, founded on is wrong, but the thing that made it successful in good times, bad times, through recessions, was just how important it was in the supply chain for its customers.

Speaker #4: And we think we're getting that business back. It's closer to five going on six months now where the daily storefront business is consistently up day after day in our daily sales reports.

Speaker #4: When you don't hear about problems in the supply chain, that means something's going right. It's when the trains don't run—that's the only time you hear about them.

Speaker #4: So that's going well too. And really, to give credit, not just to Jim, but we focus on stability. We wanted to bring back those customers, particularly on the storefront business, so the focus on the customers check working.

James O'Leary: Really, to give credit, not just to Jim, but we focus on stability. We wanted to bring back those customers, particularly on the storefront business. The focus on the customers, check, working. We did have a lot of turnover. Besides Jim, we had a lot of presidents, interim presidents during that period. This has been the longest time since DMC's Arcadia where we've had consistent leadership at the top. Jim's doing a great job. He's also done a great job bringing back a lot of the people who left during that period. It's lead salespeople, guys in the branches, I think when they come back, the business is coming back. Even though the macroeconomic environment is still challenging, even though the aluminum issues still keep us awake at night, all the things we can control and we can influence are going right.

Speaker #4: We did have a lot of turnover, besides Jim. We had a lot of presidents, interim presidents during that period. This has been the longest time since DMCs at Arcadia where we've had consistent leadership at the top.

Speaker #4: Jim's doing a great job. He's also done a great job bringing back a lot of the people who left during that period. And it's lead salespeople, guys in the branches, and I think when they come back, the business is coming back.

Speaker #4: And even though the macroeconomic environment is still challenging, and even though the aluminum issues still keep us awake at night, all the things we can control and we can influence are going right.

Speaker #4: So hope that answers the question.

James O'Leary: Hope that answers the question.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, I was just curious. I mean, let's just say you lost 10 points because of issues. I'm just curious if you'd gotten 5 points back and there's still some room.

Gerard Sweeney: Yeah. I was just curious, let's just say you lost 10 points because of issues. I'm just curious if you've gotten five points back and there's still some room to maybe recapture some lost market share, with the understanding that the end markets are just in a tough position. That's all.

Speaker #2: To maybe recapture some lost market share, with the understanding that the end markets are just in a tough position. That's all.

James O'Leary: It would be a guess, half of it's probably not wrong.

Speaker #4: It would be a guess, but half of it's probably not wrong. It's still a fair amount. With the aluminum being what it is— and I'm not going to name names— but we do have some competitors who have more challenged balance sheets than we do, who are much more aggressive on pricing than we’d like, and have historically been.

Gerard Sweeney: Okay.

James O'Leary: There's still a fair amount, with the aluminum being what it is, and I'm not going to name names, but we do have some competitors who have more challenged balance sheets than we do, who are much more aggressive on pricing than we'd like and have historically been. There's a little bit of market share that trades because of things that we don't want to participate in as far as like the really bottom of the barrel pricing. I think we've probably gotten back a lot of the share that's within our control, and the rest we probably don't want to participate in. At least right now. When things get better and everyone starts behaving better, that'll come back as well.

Speaker #4: So, there's a little bit of market share that trades because of things that we don't want to participate in, as far as the really bottom-of-the-barrel pricing.

Speaker #4: So I think we probably gotten back a lot of the share that's within our control. And the rest, we probably don't want to participate in.

Speaker #4: But at least right now, and when things get better and everyone starts behaving better, that'll come back as well.

Speaker #2: Understood. That's helpful. And then, DynEnergetics—it's an interesting world out there. Higher for longer. I think you indicated maybe some increased well completions in the second half of the year.

Gerard Sweeney: Understood. That's helpful. Then DynaEnergetics, it's an interesting world out there. Higher for longer. I think you indicated maybe some increased well completions in the H2 of the year. Just curious if you could give any more color on what you're hearing out there, what's happening, and if there's even an opportunity to push this into 2027 or is it too early to even say on that front?

Speaker #2: Just curious if you could give any more color on what you're hearing out there, what's happening, and if there's even an opportunity to push this into '27 or is it too early to even say on that front?

James O'Leary: I'd say it's too early to say just because it's been up one day, down the next.

Speaker #4: I'd say it's too early to say just because it's been so up one day, down the next, the straights are open, the straights are closed.

Gerard Sweeney: Okay.

James O'Leary: The straits are open, the straits are closed. I'm just going to repeat the things that you probably read as well. Of the peers of ours that are larger, in some cases they're either peers or customers, they may actually have better visibility on it than we do because of their proximity to the majors. Everyone is still expecting a pickup in the H2. Everyone is saying they're hoping there'll be momentum into 2027. We're not hearing anything that contradicts it. It's just been slow to come. Obviously, we don't directly correlate with rig count, but until last week, I think it was the longest streak that rigs had increased in about two or three years. Again, all the anecdotes are positive. It's just they've yet to translate into meaningfully better business. I'd say hopefully momentum in the H2. Hopefully that carries into 2027.

Speaker #4: I'm just going to repeat some of the things that you've probably read as well. Of our peers—some of whom are larger, and in some cases, are peers or customers—they may actually have better visibility on it than we do because of their proximity to the majors.

Speaker #4: Everyone is still expecting a pickup in the second half. And everyone is saying they're hoping there'll be momentum into 2027. We're not hearing anything that contradicts it.

Speaker #4: It's just been slow to come. Obviously, we're not a direct we don't directly correlate with rig count, but until last week, I think it was the longest streak that rigs had increased in about two or three years.

Speaker #4: And again, all the anecdotes are positive. It's just that they've yet to translate into meaningfully better business. So I'd say hopefully momentum in the second half, and hopefully that carries into 2027.

Speaker #4: And the only caveat that would be, I think, specific to us, particularly amongst equipment providers, is that we have a pretty big European presence. And we're a little bit more influenced or impacted negatively when you can't get stuff to some of our Middle Eastern customers.

James O'Leary: The only caveat that would be, I think, specific to us, particularly amongst equipment providers, we have a pretty big European presence and we're a little bit more influenced or impacted negatively when you can't get stuff to some of our Middle Eastern customers. The European supply chain, traffic/freight has been an impact. We might have timing issues there, but again, nothing specific to call out. All anecdotal.

Speaker #4: The European supply chain traffic and freight have had an impact, so we might have timing issues there. But again, nothing specific to call out—it’s all anecdotal.

Speaker #2: Got it. And one more quick question on Dyn Energy. Dyn Energetics, excuse me. The enhanced geothermal any idea of how we should look at that in terms of potential market size or growth or where it could go over the next couple of years?

Gerard Sweeney: Got it. One more quick question on DynaEnergetics. The enhanced geothermal. Any idea of how we should look at that in terms of potential market size or growth or where it could go over the next couple of years? Again, is this still very nascent in its development and more testing needs to answer that question?

Speaker #2: Or, again, is this still very nascent in its development, and more testing is needed to answer that question?

James O'Leary: Way too early. I wouldn't say it's testing, look, the best indicator and something I draw your attention to, take a look at Fervo's S-1, take a look at their website. They're the pioneer in this area. Everybody's watching them to see if they're successful. Very much driven by all the buzz around data centers. The power super cycle that's much talked about and seems to be playing out. The best thing to keep an eye on would be Fervo. For possible size of the market, I would look to the things they have in their S-1.

Speaker #4: Way too early. I wouldn't say it's testing, but look, the best indicator in something I drew your attention to, take a look at Fervo's S1, take a look at their website.

Speaker #4: They're a pioneer in this area. Everybody's watching them to see if they're successful. It's very much driven by all the buzz around data centers, and the power supercycle that's much talked about and seems to be playing out.

Speaker #4: But the best thing to keep an eye on would be Fervo, and for possible size of the market, I would look to the things they have in the rest one.

Gerard Sweeney: Understood. All right. Thanks. I appreciate it, King. Nice to see a solid quarter for you. You guys deserve it.

Speaker #2: Understood. All right. Thanks. I appreciate it and nice to see a good sell a quarter for you. You guys deserve it.

James O'Leary: You're welcome. Thank you.

Speaker #4: You're welcome. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Our next question is from Steven Jangaro, who's Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Operator: Our next question is from Stephen Gengaro with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Stephen Gengaro: Thanks. Good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker #4: Thanks. Good afternoon, everybody. I had two thanks. I had two I'll follow up on the prior question. On the geothermal side first. Can you talk a little bit about on the geothermal side, is the integrated perf gun technology a differentiator like it is in the oil patch?

James O'Leary: Thanks, Stephen.

Stephen Gengaro: Thanks. I had two. I'll follow up on the prior question on the geothermal side first. Can you talk a little bit about, on the geothermal side, is the integrated perforating gun technology a differentiator like it is in the oil patch? Or is it just kind of another opportunity for advanced perforating guns in general? I'm trying to figure out, is there a more or less differentiated opportunity than you participate in the oil field?

Speaker #4: Or is it just kind of another opportunity for advanced perf guns in general? I'm trying to figure out— is there a more or less differentiated opportunity than you participate in, in the oil field?

James O'Leary: If I understand the question, it's using the existing technology, but with some nuances and some nuances that we're able to provide. The type of gun, we're using a 5-inch gun and some additional tweaks. I still think it's safe to say we're the technology leader there. We're doing a lot of hand-holding, a lot of partnership. You can only really do that if you have an expertise in the area. Because the rock formations they're going into are different than in the traditional oil and gas application. The type of gun and its attributes are a little bit different. Beyond that, and nuances to the detonator as well, there's a reason why you see all oil and gas people at the lead of all these companies. It's a very similar technology.

Speaker #4: If I understand the question, it's using the existing technology, but with some nuances—and some nuances that we're able to provide. The type of gun, we're using a five-inch gun and some additional tweaks.

Speaker #4: Because we are I still think it's safe to say where the technology leader there, we're doing a lot of hand-holding, a lot of partnership.

Speaker #4: And you can only really do that if you have an expertise in the area, because the rock formations they're going into are different than in the traditional oil and gas application. The type of gun and its attributes are a little bit different.

Speaker #4: But beyond that, and the nuances to the detonator as well, it's the reason why you see all oil and gas people at the lead of all these companies.

Speaker #4: It's a very similar technology. Okay. Thank you. And then you talked a little bit about the market backdrop for Dyn Energetics and kind of what we're seeing on the activity side and hopefully it continues to improve.

Stephen Gengaro: Okay. Thank you. Then you talked a little bit about the market backdrop for DynaEnergetics and kind of what we're seeing on the activity side, and hopefully it continues to improve. What do you see specifically on the competitive landscape and the pricing dynamics for the perforating guns?

Speaker #4: What do you see specifically on the competitive landscape and the pricing dynamics for the perf guns? That's still very challenging. It's still one of the more fragmented areas in the chain.

James O'Leary: That's still very challenging. It's still one of the more fragmented areas in the chain. When you work your way from the majors down, pricing is still hard to come by. There's no price increases and it's very competitive, which has certainly been the case since in the three years that I've been on the board and in the company. No different really there. I would also add between tariffs that we've been unable to recover, between cost pressures on almost every input cost we have, the margin squeeze has been painful, and you see it in ours, and I think you would see it in our competitors' numbers as well.

Speaker #4: When you work your way from the majors down, pricing is still hard to come by. There's no price increases and it's very competitive. Which has certainly been the case since in the three years that I've been on the board and in the company.

Speaker #4: So no different really there. And yeah, and I would also add between tariffs that we've been unable to recover, between cost pressures on almost every input cost we have, the margin squeeze has been painful and you see it in ours.

Speaker #4: And I think you would see it in our competitors' numbers as well. Okay. Great. Thanks. And if I could just ask one more. You did a good job and I appreciate the explanation on the put-call option and kind of it seemed like we revisited that with sort of more detail than we've heard recently.

Stephen Gengaro: Okay, great. Thanks. If I could just ask one more. You did a good job, and I appreciate the explanation on the put call option. It seemed like we revisited that with sort of more detail than we've heard recently. Is that sort of foreshadowing something that's going to happen in the near term? Or are you just kind of reminding the market as to how the put call option functions?

Speaker #4: Is there is that sort of foreshadowing something that's going to happen in the near term? Or are you just kind of reminding the market as to how the put-call option functions?

Speaker #4: Well, so I'll start off. I'll give you kudos. I mean, you're one of our few analysts who's gone out and modeled it because I think you went a year or two further out last year.

James O'Leary: Well, I'll start off, I'll give you kudos. You're one of our few analysts who's gone out and modeled it because I think you went a year or two further out last year. It highlighted to us the fact that even though everything has been disclosed, and if you go back to 2021, the agreement, the operating agreement, the form of the preferred, everything's disclosed out there. We can't get away from the fact it's a complicated transaction. It's been five years and this won't be way breaking news. It's 29 July. The thing is exercisable on 6 September, and we have absolutely no idea if our partner will stay in the joint venture, if they'll decide to exercise. This is the first time that it is exercisable, and we're issuing our quarter, and the next time we'll formally talk to you, it could be exercised.

Speaker #4: And it highlighted to us the fact that even though everything has been disclosed and if you go back to 2021, the agreement, the operating agreement, the form of the everything's disclosed out there.

Speaker #4: But we can't get away from the fact it's a complicated transaction. It's been five years. And this won't be way-breaking news. It's July 29th.

Speaker #4: The thing is exercisable on September 6th. And we have absolutely no idea if our partner will stay in the joint venture, if they'll decide to exercise.

Speaker #4: But this is the first time that it is exercisable. And we're issuing our quarter, and the next time we'll formally talk to you, it could be exercised.

Speaker #4: So, what we wanted to do is make sure everybody has the same information—in addition to yourself, anybody else who is going to model it in their next report, including our shareholders if they're doing their own modeling.

James O'Leary: What we wanted to do is make sure everybody has the same information, in addition to yourself, anybody else who is going to model it in the next report, including our shareholders, if they're doing their own modeling. We wanted to make sure people understood two things. Number one, the level of dilution it was originally committed to. Nothing changed. Exactly the same. We wanted to make sure, particularly the shareholders knew that the misconception that it was endless dilution, it's completely in the hands of our shareholders. They'll get a vote on anything above the 99. I think you've modeled that well, and you understand it really well. We want to make sure everybody understands it as well as you.

Speaker #4: We want to make sure people understood two things. Number one, the level of dilution that was originally committed to. Nothing changed. Exactly the same.

Speaker #4: We wanted to make sure, particularly for the shareholders, that the misconception it was endless dilution is incorrect. It's completely in the hands of our shareholders.

Speaker #4: They'll get a vote on anything above the 19.9. I think you've modeled that well and you understand it really well. We want to make sure everybody understands it as well as you.

Speaker #4: And the other thing, whether it's the 132 or 100, we want to make sure people understand that the debt, if you put it in our debt footnote, if you schedule it out, it looks like a lot for this company to handle.

James O'Leary: The other thing, whether it's the 132 or 100, we want to make sure people understand that the debt, if you put it in our debt footnote, if you schedule it out, it looks like a lot for this company to handle. We want to make sure people understand the preferred stock is a capital instrument. It is called mandatorily redeemable, but the board has an obligation to make sure it's not buying back the preferred shares at the wrong time. We want to make sure that people understand, number one, how the dilution works, number two, how the debt works, and number three, that they know that they are in control as far as shareholder vote, and we are in control as far as making sure we're not buying back shares or redeeming the preferred at a time that would put the company in jeopardy.

Speaker #4: But we want to make sure people understand the preferred stock is a capital instrument. It is called mandatorily redeemable, but the board has an obligation to make sure it's not buying back the preferred shares.

Speaker #4: At the wrong time. So, we want to make sure that people understand, number one, how the dilution works. Number two, how the debt works.

Speaker #4: And number three, that they know they are in control as far as shareholder vote, and we are in control as far as making sure we're not buying back shares or redeeming the preferred at a time that would put the company in jeopardy.

James O'Leary: Really just clearing up things that are in the marketplace and making sure we don't have, again, you've done a great job at it. Other guys are working on it. We want to make sure we also don't have selective disclosure issues in between in trying to explain something that's out there, we appreciate it's a really complicated transaction.

Speaker #4: So really just clearing up things that are in the marketplace and making sure we don't have—again, you've done a great job at it.

Speaker #4: Other guys are working on it. We want to make sure we also don't have selective disclosure issues in between. I'm trying to explain something that's out there, but we appreciate it's a really complicated transaction.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Great. No, thank you for all the color. That's very helpful. You're welcome. And by the way, it really meant that. You did a good job modeling it.

Stephen Gengaro: Yeah, great. No, thank you for all the color. That's very helpful.

James O'Leary: No, you're welcome. By the way, I really meant that. You did a good job modeling it. We want to make sure everyone has the same information.

Speaker #4: We want to make sure everyone has the same information. Thank you.

Stephen Gengaro: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Our next question is from Ken Newman. From KeyBank Capital Markets, please proceed with your question.

Operator: Our next question is from Ken Newman from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #5: Hey, thanks. Congrats on the nice quarter, guys.

Ken Newman: Hey, thanks. Congrats on the nice quarter, guys.

James O'Leary: Thank you, Ken.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Ken.

Speaker #5: Yep, of course. I just wanted to circle back a little bit onto the supply chain dynamics, and question in Arcadia a little bit more. I think last quarter we were talking about higher aluminum prices being a bit of a headwind for new project activity.

Eric Walter: Thanks, Ken.

Eric Walter: Yep. Of course. I just wanted to circle back a little bit onto the supply chain dynamics question in Arcadia a little bit more. I think last quarter we were talking about higher aluminum prices being a bit of a headwind for new project activity. Obviously, I know commercial activity is still very challenging right now, but it sounds like it may also have been a tailwind on sales this quarter to a certain extent, right? Maybe Eric, is there any way to maybe help us bridge how much of the year-over-year sales was really driven by stronger volumes versus the higher aluminum pricing? Because obviously that took a step up, I think, sequentially on a year-over-year basis in aluminum costs.

Speaker #5: Obviously, I know the commercial activity is still very challenging right now, but it sounds like it may also have been a tailwind on sales this quarter to a certain extent, right?

Speaker #5: So maybe Eric, is there any way to maybe help us bridge how much of the year-over-year sales was really driven by a stronger volumes versus the higher aluminum pricing?

Speaker #5: Because obviously, that took a step up, I think, sequentially on a year-over-year basis in aluminum costs.

Speaker #3: Yeah, I think a lot of the year-over-year increase is going to be due to the aluminum price increases. There was some volume pickup that we had as well.

Eric Walter: Yeah, I think a lot of the year-over-year increase is going to be due to the aluminum price increases. There was some volume pickup that we had, but where we're seeing the increases in what Jim talked about, our short cycle business, and that's typically business that's to the small to medium-sized glazers and contractors that are less price sensitive versus a longer cycle project that would have more competitors bidding for the same piece of work. Those same types of issues that we talked about in Q1 around projects being delayed, intense price competition, those still exist for the long cycle business. What we've seen is that the short cycle business, or sometimes we call it storefront business, has picked up considerably over the last several months.

Speaker #3: But what we're seeing the increase is in what Jim talked about, our short cycle business. And that's typically business that's to the small to medium-sized glazers and contractors that are less price sensitive.

Speaker #3: Versus a longer cycle project that would have more competitors bidding for the same piece of work. So those same types of issues that we talked about in the first quarter around projects being delayed, intense price competition, those still exist for the long cycle business.

Speaker #3: But what we've seen is that the short-cycle business, or sometimes we call it the storefront business, has picked up considerably over the last several months.

Speaker #3: And so we're excited about that because that's business that's fairly steady. It's higher margin. And it's really the bread and butter of what Arcadia was founded on, which was the service that small to medium-sized glazer.

Eric Walter: We're excited about that because that business is fairly steady, it's higher margin, and it's really the bread and butter of what Arcadia was founded on, which was to service that small to medium-sized glazier.

Ken Newman: That's helpful color. I guess, Jim, does it feel like with all the work that you've done in optimizing the network within Arcadia, does it feel like this is pretty stable so long as the macro kind of still works with you, or is there still kind of more work or more levers to pull in order to drive better optimization from here?

Speaker #5: That's helpful color. I guess, Jim, does it feel like with all the work that you've done in optimizing the network within Arcadia, does it feel like this is pretty stable so long as the macro kind of still works with you?

Speaker #5: Or is there still kind of more work or more leverage to pull in order to drive better optimization from here?

James O'Leary: Well, really the one thing I did was bring back Jim Schladen. The only other thing I did was nothing, meaning stability, prioritize, just letting the thing get healthy by itself. I think as far as getting it back to where it was in 2021, 2022, Jim, he brought back the right people. We reprioritized and brought stability into the supply chain, how we managed some of our supply chain partners. We've calmed down the level of introduction of whether it's new processes. Whenever you buy a founder-led company, and I have seen this a bunch of times, there's a temptation to try to boil the ocean right away and do everything new. We've stopped that altogether.

Speaker #4: Well, really, the one thing I did was bring back Jim Schladen. And the only other thing I did was nothing—meaning stability, prioritize, just letting the thing get healthy by itself.

Speaker #4: I think, as far as getting it back to where it was in 2021, 2022, Jim, he brought back the right people. We reprioritized and brought stability into the supply chain—how we managed some of our supply chain partners.

Speaker #4: We've calmed down the level of introduction of whether it's new processes. Whenever you buy a founder-led company—and I have seen this a bunch of times—there's a temptation to try to boil the ocean right away and do everything new.

Speaker #4: We've stopped that altogether. There's a reference in the there's a reference in the press release to the high-end residential business, which a couple of years ago, I could have told you I was more likely to close it than not.

James O'Leary: There's a reference in the press release to the high-end residential business which, a couple of years ago, I could have told you I was more likely to close it than not, and that was just an overreaction, probably on my part to the challenges it had because we'd introduced so much change and maybe we set the goals for that company as far as how big it could get and how fast it would get there. Maybe we were too ambitious. Jim and I had a handshake when he came back. He'd get it to a certain level, both on sales and profitability, within a certain time period. He's meeting all those goals. I think we're more measured on where we can get to in an absolutely horrible macroeconomic environment.

Speaker #4: And that was just an overreaction. Probably on my part to the challenges it had because we'd introduced so much change and maybe set maybe we set the goals for that company as far as how big it could get and how fast it would get there.

Speaker #4: Maybe we were too ambitious. And Jim and I had a handshake when it came back. He'd get it to a certain level, both on sales and profitability within a certain time period.

Speaker #4: And he's meeting all those goals. We're more I think we're more measured on where we can get to and absolutely horrible macroeconomic environment when we first bought the company.

James O'Leary: When we first bought the company, I think we set out some goals that were probably too hard to get to. We still have the best product in the market. We think the Arcadia name adds a halo effect to whatever we put out there on the residential side. Jim and the people he's brought back are, again, every commitment he made to me and I made to our board as far as getting that business to where it is are all coming to pass. The short answer is that the only thing I did was bring him back and let him bring back the people he wanted. We kind of restored the trust in our supply chain partners. Our people are restoring the trust our customers had in us when we let them down in 2024.

Speaker #4: I think we set out some goals that were probably too hard to get to, but we still have the best product in the market.

Speaker #4: We think the Arcadian name adds a halo effect to whatever we put out there, on the residential side. And Jim and the people he's brought back are, again, every commitment he made to me and I made to our board as far as getting that business to where it is, are all coming to pass.

Speaker #4: So the short answer is that the only thing I did was bring them back and let him bring back the people he wanted. We kind of restored the trust in our supply chain partners.

Speaker #4: Our people are restoring the trust our customers had in us when we let them down in 2024. And right now, there are some things we probably could do in terms of processes. We think we’ve got the systems—we had an ERP conversion.

James O'Leary: Right now there are some things we probably could do in terms of processes. We think we got the systems. We had an ERP conversion. We're maybe 75% to 80% of the way there. We're going slow. There's still a big digestion issue. As far as other operational improvement, we're not going to force-feed the company things like maybe we had in the past. I'd like to have tailwinds. To be candid, we really have headwinds in every one of our markets. Arcadia, despite the fantastic performance this quarter, it's still got real headwinds as far as input costs, interest rates, general malaise with our developers. When we have tailwinds again, we'll be a little bit more ambitious on additional improvements we can do.

Speaker #4: We are maybe 75 to 80 percent of the way there. We're going slow. It's still a big digestion issue. As far as other operational improvement, I'd rather we not force-feed the company things—like maybe we had in the past.

Speaker #4: I'd like to have tailwinds to be candid. We really have headwinds. And every one of our markets and Arcadia despite the fantastic performance this quarter, it still got real headwinds as far as input costs, interest rates, general malaise with our developers.

Speaker #4: So, when we have tailwinds again, we'll be a little bit more ambitious on additional improvements we can do. But for the time being, just getting back to where we were on the storefront business, and with both our customers and our supply chain partners, is—I think that's a tall enough task.

James O'Leary: For the time being, just getting back to where we were on the storefront business and with both our customers and our supply chain partners is, I think that's a tall enough task.

Speaker #5: Got it. That's very good color. I appreciate that. Maybe one last one, if I could squeeze it in. It sounds like there was maybe a modest benefit to Dyna, EBITDA margins this quarter from the tariff refunds.

Ken Newman: Got it. That's very good color. I appreciate that. Maybe one last one if I could squeeze it in. It sounds like there was maybe a modest benefit to Dyna EBITDA margins this quarter from the tariff refunds. Is there a way to maybe parse out what that benefit was and whether or not that stretches into the remainder of the year?

Speaker #5: Is there a way to maybe parse out what that benefit was and whether or not that stretches into the remainder of the year?

Speaker #3: Yeah. We had about a million and a half of tariff refunds in the second quarter. That's from a combination of refunds from the government as well as negotiations with vendors.

Eric Walter: Yeah. Ken, we had about a million and a half of tariff refunds in Q2. That's from a combination of refunds from the government as well as negotiations with vendors. We're continuing to go through and file for additional refunds from the government and continuing those negotiations with our supply chain. It's really difficult to forecast what that's going to look like.

Speaker #3: We're continuing to go through and file for additional refunds from the government, and continuing those negotiations with our supply chain. But it's really difficult to forecast what that's going to look like because—.

Speaker #5: Just to be clear, does the current guidance already assume a similar level of refunds for the third quarter?

Ken Newman: Just to be clear, does the current guidance already assume a similar level of refunds for Q3?

Speaker #3: It does. It does not. The current guidance has no refund, no tariff refunds factored into it.

Eric Walter: It does not. The current guidance has no tariff refunds backed into it.

Speaker #5: Very helpful. Thank you.

Ken Newman: Very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #4: Yeah. Our ability to forecast tariff recovery is almost as good as our ability to forecast whether the straits of Formose will be open when we walk out of this room.

James O'Leary: Yeah. Our ability to forecast tariff recovery is almost as good as our ability to forecast whether the Straits of Hormuz will be open when we walk out of this room. All right. Hey, thank you. Operator, other than thank you to anybody who participated today, thanks for your patience. We're trying to do the best we can in a very challenging market. Really appreciate all the work on the part of our employees at each one of our divisions here and in Europe. We look forward to talking to you in a couple of months and enjoy the rest of the summer. That's it, Elise.

Speaker #5: All right. Thank you.

Speaker #4: And operator, other than thank you to anybody who participated today, thanks for your patience. We're trying to do the best we can in a very challenging market.

Speaker #4: But really appreciate all the work on the part of our employees at each one of our divisions, here and in Europe. And we look forward to talking to you in a couple of months.

Speaker #4: And enjoy the rest of the summer. That's it, Phillies.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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