Q1 2027 Oxford Lane Capital Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Oxford Lane Capital Corp Announces Net Asset Value and Selected Financial Results for the first fiscal quarter 2027.
Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Oxford Lane Capital Corp announces net asset value and selected fiscal financial results for the Q1 2027 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Jonathan Cohen, CEO. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Oxford Lane Capital Corp announces net asset value and selected fiscal financial results for the Q1 2027 Conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Jonathan Cohen, CEO. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: To withdraw your question, press star one again. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Jonathan Cohen, CEO. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Oxford Lane Capital Corp. first fiscal quarter 2027 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Saul Rosenthal, our president.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Oxford Lane Capital Corp First Fiscal Quarter 2027 Earnings Conference Call. I am joined today by Saul Rosenthal, our President, Bruce Rubin, our CFO, and Joe Kupka, our Managing Director and Portfolio Manager. Bruce, could you open the call with a disclosure regarding forward-looking statements?
Jonathan Cohen: Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Oxford Lane Capital Corp First Fiscal Quarter 2027 Earnings Conference Call. I am joined today by Saul Rosenthal, our President, Bruce Rubin, our CFO, and Joe Kupka, our Managing Director and Portfolio Manager. Bruce, could you open the call with a disclosure regarding forward-looking statements?
Speaker #2: Bruce Rubin, our CFO, and Joe Kupka, our Managing Director and Portfolio Manager. Bruce, could you open the call with a disclosure regarding forward-looking statements?
Speaker #3: Sure, Jonathan. Today's conference call is being recorded. An audio replay of the call will be available for 30 days. Replay information is included in our press release, as issued earlier this morning.
Bruce L. Rubin: Sure, Jonathan. Today's conference call is being recorded. An audio replay of the call will be available for 30 days. Replay information is included in our press release as issued earlier this morning. Please note that this call is the property of Oxford Lane Capital Corp. Any unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. At this point, please direct your attention to the customary disclosure in this morning's press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company's current views with respect to, among other things, future events and financial performance. We ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in these projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law.
Bruce Rubin: Sure, Jonathan. Today's conference call is being recorded. An audio replay of the call will be available for 30 days. Replay information is included in our press release as issued earlier this morning. Please note that this call is the property of Oxford Lane Capital Corp. Any unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. At this point, please direct your attention to the customary disclosure in this morning's press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company's current views with respect to, among other things, future events and financial performance. We ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in these projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law.
Speaker #3: Please note that this call is the property of Oxford Lane Capital Corp, and the unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited.
Speaker #3: At this point, please direct your attention to the customary disclosure in this morning's press release, regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company's current views, with respect to, among other things, future events and financial performance.
Speaker #3: We ask that you refer to our most recent findings with the SEC for important factors that can cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in these projections.
Speaker #3: We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law. During this call, we will use terms defined in the earnings release and also refer to non-GAAP measures.
Bruce L. Rubin: During this call, we will use terms defined in the earnings release and also refer to non-GAAP measures. For definitions and reconciliations to GAAP, please refer to our earnings release posted on our website at www.oxfordlanecapital.com. With that, I'll turn the presentation back over to Jonathan.
Bruce Rubin: During this call, we will use terms defined in the earnings release and also refer to non-GAAP measures. For definitions and reconciliations to GAAP, please refer to our earnings release posted on our website at www.oxfordlanecapital.com. With that, I'll turn the presentation back over to Jonathan.
Speaker #3: For definitions and reconciliations to GAAP, please refer to our earnings release posted on our website at www.oxfordlanecapital.com. With that, I'll turn the presentation back over to Jonathan.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Bruce. On June 30, 2026, our net asset value per share stood at $10.74 compared to a net asset value per share of $10.56 as of the prior quarter.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Thank you, Bruce. On 30 June 2026, our net asset value per share stood at $10.74, compared to a net asset value per share of $10.56 as of the prior quarter. For the quarter end of June, we recorded GAAP total investment income of approximately $87 million, representing a decrease of approximately $6.9 million from the prior quarter. The quarter's GAAP total investment income consisted of approximately $83.7 million from our CLO equity and CLO warehouse investments and approximately $3.4 million from our CLO debt investments and from other income. Oxford Lane recorded GAAP net investment income of approximately $50.2 million, or $0.51 per share for the quarter end in June, compared to approximately $54.5 million or $0.56 per share for the quarter ended 31 March 2026.
Jonathan Cohen: Thank you, Bruce. On 30 June 2026, our net asset value per share stood at $10.74, compared to a net asset value per share of $10.56 as of the prior quarter. For the quarter end of June, we recorded GAAP total investment income of approximately $87 million, representing a decrease of approximately $6.9 million from the prior quarter. The quarter's GAAP total investment income consisted of approximately $83.7 million from our CLO equity and CLO warehouse investments and approximately $3.4 million from our CLO debt investments and from other income. Oxford Lane recorded GAAP net investment income of approximately $50.2 million, or $0.51 per share for the quarter end in June, compared to approximately $54.5 million or $0.56 per share for the quarter ended 31 March 2026.
Speaker #2: For the quarter ended June, we recorded GAAP total investment income of approximately $87 million, representing a decrease of approximately $6.9 million from the prior quarter.
Speaker #2: The quarter's GAAP total investment income consisted of approximately $83.7 million from our CLO equity and CLO warehouse investments, and approximately 3.4 million dollars from our CLO debt investments and from other income.
Speaker #2: Oxford Lane recorded GAAP net investment income of approximately $50.2 million or $51 per share for the quarter ended June, compared to approximately $54.5 million or $56 per share for the quarter ended March 31.
Speaker #2: Our core net investment income was approximately $93.4 million or $95 per share for the quarter ended June, compared with approximately $100.7 million or $1.03 per share for the quarter ended March 31.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Our core net investment income was approximately $93.4 million or $0.95 per share for the quarter ended June, compared with approximately $100.7 million or $1.03 per share for the quarter ended 31 March. As of 30 June, we held approximately $66.2 million in newly issued or newly acquired CLO equity investments that had not yet made their initial distributions to Oxford Lane. For the quarter ended June, we recorded net unrealized appreciation on investments of approximately $54.5 million and net realized losses of approximately $2.4 million. We had a net increase in net assets resulting from operations of approximately $76.3 million or $0.78 per share for Q1. As of 30 June, the following metrics applied. We note that none of these metrics necessarily represented a total return to shareholders.
Jonathan Cohen: Our core net investment income was approximately $93.4 million or $0.95 per share for the quarter ended June, compared with approximately $100.7 million or $1.03 per share for the quarter ended 31 March. As of 30 June, we held approximately $66.2 million in newly issued or newly acquired CLO equity investments that had not yet made their initial distributions to Oxford Lane. For the quarter ended June, we recorded net unrealized appreciation on investments of approximately $54.5 million and net realized losses of approximately $2.4 million. We had a net increase in net assets resulting from operations of approximately $76.3 million or $0.78 per share for Q1. As of 30 June, the following metrics applied. We note that none of these metrics necessarily represented a total return to shareholders.
Speaker #2: As of June 30, we held approximately $66.2 million in newly issued or newly acquired CLO equity investments that had not yet made their initial distributions to Oxford Lane.
Speaker #2: For the quarter ended June, we recorded net unrealized or appreciation of investments on investments of approximately $54.5 million and net realized losses of approximately $28.4 million.
Speaker #2: We had a net increase in net assets resulting from operations of approximately $76.3 million, or $0.78 per share, for the first fiscal quarter. As of June 30, the following metrics applied.
Speaker #2: We note that none of these metrics necessarily represent a total return to shareholders. The weighted average effective yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 11.1%, down from 11.7% as of March 31.
Jonathan H. Cohen: The weighted average effective yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 11.1%, down from 11.7% as of 31 March. The weighted average cash distribution yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 16.3%, down from 16.7% as of 31 March. We note that the cash distribution yields calculated on our CLO equity investments are based on the cash distributions we received or which we were entitled to receive at each respective period end. During the quarter ended 30 June, we made additional CLO investments of approximately $37.8 million, and we received approximately $50.7 million from sales and from repayments. On 23 July, our board of directors declared monthly common stock distributions of $0.20 per share for each of the months ending October, November, and December of 2026. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Managing Director, Joe Kupka. Joe.
Jonathan Cohen: The weighted average effective yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 11.1%, down from 11.7% as of 31 March. The weighted average cash distribution yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 16.3%, down from 16.7% as of 31 March. We note that the cash distribution yields calculated on our CLO equity investments are based on the cash distributions we received or which we were entitled to receive at each respective period end. During the quarter ended 30 June, we made additional CLO investments of approximately $37.8 million, and we received approximately $50.7 million from sales and from repayments. On 23 July, our board of directors declared monthly common stock distributions of $0.20 per share for each of the months ending October, November, and December of 2026. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Managing Director, Joe Kupka. Joe.
Speaker #2: The weighted average cash distribution yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 16.3%, down from 16.7% as of March 31. We note that the cash distribution yields calculated on our CLO equity investments are based on the cash distributions we received, or which we were entitled to receive, at each respective period end.
Speaker #2: During the quarter ended June 30, we made additional CLO investments of approximately $37.8 million and we received approximately $50.7 million from sales and from repayments.
Speaker #2: On July 23, our board of directors declared monthly common stock distributions of $0.20 per share for each of the months ending October/November and December of 2026.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn the call over to our managing director, Joe Kupka. Joe?
Speaker #4: Thanks, Jonathan. During the quarter ended June 30, 2026, U.S. loan market performance improved versus the prior quarter. U.S. loan price index increased from 94.63% as of March 31 to 94.96% as of June 30.
Joe Kupka: Thanks, Jonathan. During the quarter ended 30 June 2026, US loan market performance improved versus the prior quarter. The US loan price index increased from 94.63% as of 31 March to 94.96% as of 30 June. The increase in US loan prices led to an approximate 4-point increase in median US CLO equity net asset values.
Joe Kupka: Thanks, Jonathan. During the quarter ended 30 June 2026, US loan market performance improved versus the prior quarter. The US loan price index increased from 94.63% as of 31 March to 94.96% as of 30 June. The increase in US loan prices led to an approximate 4-point increase in median US CLO equity net asset values.
Speaker #4: The increase in U.S. loan prices led to an approximate 4-point increase in median U.S. CLO equity net asset values. Additionally, we observed median weighted average spreads across loan pools within CLO portfolios decrease modestly to 302 basis points, compared to 304 basis points last quarter.
Joe Kupka: Additionally, we observed median weighted average spreads across loan pools within CLO portfolios decrease modestly to 302 basis points, compared to 304 basis points last quarter. The 12-month trailing default rate for the loan index decreased to 0.97% by principal amount at the end of the quarter from 1.44% at the end of March. We note that out-of-court restructurings, exchanges, and subpar buybacks, which are not captured in the cited default rate, remain elevated. CLO new issuance for the quarter totaled approximately $33 billion, reflecting an approximate $14 billion decrease from the previous quarter. Additionally, the US CLO market saw approximately $94 billion in reset and refinancing activity in Q2 2026, compared to approximately $56 billion in the previous quarter. Oxford Lane remained active this quarter, trading over $85 million in CLO equity.
Joe Kupka: Additionally, we observed median weighted average spreads across loan pools within CLO portfolios decrease modestly to 302 basis points, compared to 304 basis points last quarter. The 12-month trailing default rate for the loan index decreased to 0.97% by principal amount at the end of the quarter from 1.44% at the end of March. We note that out-of-court restructurings, exchanges, and subpar buybacks, which are not captured in the cited default rate, remain elevated. CLO new issuance for the quarter totaled approximately $33 billion, reflecting an approximate $14 billion decrease from the previous quarter. Additionally, the US CLO market saw approximately $94 billion in reset and refinancing activity in Q2 2026, compared to approximately $56 billion in the previous quarter. Oxford Lane remained active this quarter, trading over $85 million in CLO equity.
Speaker #4: The 12-month trailing default rate for the loan index decreased to 0.97% by principal amount at the end of the quarter from 1.44% at the end of March.
Speaker #4: We note that out-of-court restructurings, exchanges, and subpar buybacks, which are not captured in the cited default rate, remain elevated. CLO new issuance for the quarter totaled approximately $33 billion, reflecting an approximate $14 billion decrease from the previous quarter.
Speaker #4: Additionally, the U.S. CLO market saw approximately 94 billion dollars in reset and refinancing activity in Q2, 2026, compared to approximately 56 billion dollars in the previous quarter.
Speaker #4: Oxford Lane remained active this quarter, trading over $85 million in CLO equity. During the quarter, we also led or participated in numerous resets and refinancings, taking advantage of tighter liability spreads to lower the cost of funding and lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's equity portfolio from October 2029 to November 2029.
Joe Kupka: During the quarter, we also led or participated in numerous resets and refinancings, taking advantage of tighter liability spreads to lower the cost of funding and lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's equity portfolio from October 2029 to November 2029. We continue to evaluate existing investments for opportunities to improve the economics of our CLO equity positions. In the current market environment, we intend to continue to utilize our opportunistic and unconstrained CLO investment strategy across US CLO equity debt and warehouses as we look to maximize our long-term total return. As a permanent capital vehicle, we've historically been able to take a longer-term view towards our investment strategy. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jonathan.
Joe Kupka: During the quarter, we also led or participated in numerous resets and refinancings, taking advantage of tighter liability spreads to lower the cost of funding and lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's equity portfolio from October 2029 to November 2029. We continue to evaluate existing investments for opportunities to improve the economics of our CLO equity positions. In the current market environment, we intend to continue to utilize our opportunistic and unconstrained CLO investment strategy across US CLO equity debt and warehouses as we look to maximize our long-term total return. As a permanent capital vehicle, we've historically been able to take a longer-term view towards our investment strategy. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jonathan.
Speaker #4: We continue to evaluate existing investments for opportunities to improve the economics of our CLO equity positions. In the current market environment, we intend to continue to utilize our opportunistic and unconstrained CLO investment strategy across the U.S.
Speaker #4: CLO equity debt and warehouses as we look to maximize our long-term total return. And as a permanent capital vehicle, we've historically been able to take a longer-term view towards our investment strategy.
Speaker #4: With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jonathan.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Joe. Additional information about Oxford Lane's first fiscal quarter performance has been uploaded to our website at oxfordlanecapital.com, and with that operator, we're happy to open the call up for questions.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Thanks, Joe. Additional information about Oxford Lane's first fiscal quarter performance has been uploaded to our website at oxfordlanecapital.com. With that operator, we're happy to open the call up for questions.
Jonathan Cohen: Thanks, Joe. Additional information about Oxford Lane's first fiscal quarter performance has been uploaded to our website at oxfordlanecapital.com. With that operator, we're happy to open the call up for questions.
Speaker #5: At this time, to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, that's star 1 to ask a question. Our first question comes from the line of Eric Zwit with Lucid Capital Markets.
Operator: At this time, to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Again, that's star one to ask a question. Our first question comes from the line of Erik Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: At this time, to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Again, that's star one to ask a question. Our first question comes from the line of Erik Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Good morning, guys.
Erik Zwick: Thank you. Good morning, guys.
Erik Zwick: Thank you. Good morning, guys.
Speaker #2: Morning, Eric.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Morning, Erik.
Jonathan Cohen: Morning, Erik.
Erik Zwick: I got a few questions here. I wanted to maybe start with one of the topics Joe kind of mentioned there towards the end, just in terms of the opportunities to continue executing resets and refis. It sounds like liability spreads have tightened and hopefully they kind of remain so here for the next little bit. Can you maybe just frame kind of the opportunity you have here in the near term to continue improving the cost of funding in the portfolio?
Erik Zwick: I got a few questions here. I wanted to maybe start with one of the topics Joe kind of mentioned there towards the end, just in terms of the opportunities to continue executing resets and refis. It sounds like liability spreads have tightened and hopefully they kind of remain so here for the next little bit. Can you maybe just frame kind of the opportunity you have here in the near term to continue improving the cost of funding in the portfolio?
Speaker #6: I've got a few questions here. I wanted to maybe start with one of the topics Joe kind of mentioned there towards the end. Just in terms of the opportunities to continue executing resets and re-issues, it sounds like liability spreads have tightened and hopefully they kind of remain.
Speaker #6: So here, for the next little bit, if you maybe just frame kind of the opportunity you have here in the near term to continue improving the cost of funding in the portfolio?
Speaker #4: Sure. I think, year to date, we've completed about 25 resets or refinancings, kind of taken on a case-by-case basis, whether they're going to be a refi or reset.
Joe Kupka: Sure. I think year to date, we've completed about 25 resets or refinancings, kind of taken on a case-by-case basis, whether they're going to be a refi or reset. For the remainder of our book, looking from the end of this quarter on, I think about 30% of our book in terms of market value could be in the money for a refi or a reset transaction through the end of the year. Looking forward to 2027, an additional 30% of the market value. Overall, over half of our book has potential short-term optionality embedded in it.
Joe Kupka: Sure. I think year to date, we've completed about 25 resets or refinancings, kind of taken on a case-by-case basis, whether they're going to be a refi or reset. For the remainder of our book, looking from the end of this quarter on, I think about 30% of our book in terms of market value could be in the money for a refi or a reset transaction through the end of the year. Looking forward to 2027, an additional 30% of the market value. Overall, over half of our book has potential short-term optionality embedded in it.
Speaker #4: For the remainder of our book, looking from the end of this quarter on, I think about 30% of our book in terms of market value could be in the money for a refi or a reset transaction through the end of the year.
Speaker #4: And then looking forward to 2027, an additional 30% of the market value. So overall, over half of our book has potential short-term optionality embedded in it.
Speaker #6: Excellent. That's very helpful. Thanks, Joe. Maybe flipping, then, towards the investment outlook—I know earlier in the year, when you kind of restructured the dividend, you mentioned you wanted to be able to take advantage of more investment opportunities.
Erik Zwick: Excellent. That's very helpful. Thanks, Joe. Maybe flipping then towards the investment outlook. I know earlier in the year when you kind of restructured the dividend, you mentioned you want to be able to take advantage of more investment opportunities. Curious if you could just talk maybe specifically to the secondary market, what you're seeing today in terms of liquidity, because I know it was pretty slow in the first calendar quarter of the year. Sounds like it may have been a little bit better here in Q2, but just maybe what you're seeing here and what you expect going forward and are you seeing attractive opportunities to add to the portfolio and potentially help the future yield going forward?
Erik Zwick: Excellent. That's very helpful. Thanks, Joe. Maybe flipping then towards the investment outlook. I know earlier in the year when you kind of restructured the dividend, you mentioned you want to be able to take advantage of more investment opportunities. Curious if you could just talk maybe specifically to the secondary market, what you're seeing today in terms of liquidity, because I know it was pretty slow in the first calendar quarter of the year. Sounds like it may have been a little bit better here in Q2, but just maybe what you're seeing here and what you expect going forward and are you seeing attractive opportunities to add to the portfolio and potentially help the future yield going forward?
Speaker #6: I'm curious if you could speak specifically to the secondary market—what you're seeing today in terms of liquidity, because I know it was pretty slow in the first calendar quarter of the year.
Speaker #6: It sounds like it may have been a little bit better here in Q2, but just maybe what you're seeing here and what you expect going forward and are you seeing attractive opportunities to add to the portfolio and potentially help the future yield going forward?
Speaker #4: Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely seeing an improved bid-ask spread, especially if we compare it to what we saw towards the end of March. We're seeing a very interesting basis in terms of the basis between tier 1 and tier 2 managers.
Joe Kupka: Yeah. We're definitely seeing improved bid-ask spread, especially if we compare to what we saw towards the end of March. We're seeing a very interesting basis in terms of the basis between tier 1 and tier 2 managers. Especially if you look at some of these lower tier managers that trade at wider yields, they can be very attractive on both a cash on cash and ultimate yield basis. We're seeing a lot of opportunities just on an absolute basis and also to do some relative value trading in our portfolio.
Joe Kupka: Yeah. We're definitely seeing improved bid-ask spread, especially if we compare to what we saw towards the end of March. We're seeing a very interesting basis in terms of the basis between tier 1 and tier 2 managers. Especially if you look at some of these lower tier managers that trade at wider yields, they can be very attractive on both a cash on cash and ultimate yield basis. We're seeing a lot of opportunities just on an absolute basis and also to do some relative value trading in our portfolio.
Speaker #4: So especially if you look at some of these lower-tier managers that trade at wider yields, they can be very attractive on both a cash-on-cash and ultimate yield basis.
Speaker #4: So we're seeing a lot of opportunities just on an absolute basis and also to do some relative value trading in our portfolio.
Speaker #2: And Eric, when Joe references lower-tier managers, we're referring principally to their perception in the primary and secondary CLO markets, not their virtuosity.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Erik, when Joe references lower tier managers, we're referring principally to their perception in the primary and secondary CLO markets, not their virtuosity.
Jonathan Cohen: Erik, when Joe references lower tier managers, we're referring principally to their perception in the primary and secondary CLO markets, not their virtuosity.
Speaker #6: Got it. No, that's helpful. And then I assume some of the you were active definitely more active in the second quarter trading and I'm sure some of that contributed to the net realized losses that were recorded there in the quarter.
Erik Zwick: Got it. No, that's helpful. I assume you're definitely more active in the Q2 trading. I'm sure some of that contributed to the net realized losses that were recorded there in the quarter. Just kind of curious, the positions that you may have traded out of, were there any kind of common characteristics, or why were those particular investments chosen? Was there anything on the credit front, or just you saw better opportunities to rotate into new investments to replace them that had better, more attractive yield, long-term yield kind of components?
Erik Zwick: Got it. No, that's helpful. I assume you're definitely more active in the Q2 trading. I'm sure some of that contributed to the net realized losses that were recorded there in the quarter. Just kind of curious, the positions that you may have traded out of, were there any kind of common characteristics, or why were those particular investments chosen? Was there anything on the credit front, or just you saw better opportunities to rotate into new investments to replace them that had better, more attractive yield, long-term yield kind of components?
Speaker #6: So just kind of curious, the positions that you may have traded out of, were there any kind of common characteristics or why were those particular investments chosen?
Speaker #6: Was there anything on the credit front or just you saw better opportunities to rotate into new investments to replace them that had better more attractive yield long-term yield?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I think it.
Speaker #4: Sure. Yeah, I think it mainly went along with our thesis of trading out of some of these more sought-after managers. As Jonathan said, buying some of the less regarded managers just given the widening basis, we also had some legacy positions finally roll off just their indentures were finally discharged.
Joe Kupka: Sure. Yeah, I think it mainly went along with our thesis of trading out of some of these more sought-after managers. As Jonathan said, buying some of the less regarded managers just given the widening basis. We also had some legacy positions finally roll off, just their indentures were finally discharged, so that flowed in as well. Yeah, that made up the bulk of it.
Joe Kupka: Sure. Yeah, I think it mainly went along with our thesis of trading out of some of these more sought-after managers. As Jonathan said, buying some of the less regarded managers just given the widening basis. We also had some legacy positions finally roll off, just their indentures were finally discharged, so that flowed in as well. Yeah, that made up the bulk of it.
Speaker #4: So, that flowed in as well. But yeah, that made up the bulk of it.
Speaker #6: Okay. Yeah, it was nice to see the weighted average investment period move out a little bit longer as well. So, let's see. I think last one for me, maybe just in terms of— you’ve made these, some of the new investments, rotating the portfolio a little bit, made some new investments as well that have yet to make first distribution.
Erik Zwick: Okay. Yeah, it was nice to see the weighted average investment period move out a little bit longer as well. Let's see, I think last one for me, maybe just in terms of you've made these some of the new investments, rotating the portfolio a little bit, made some new investments as well that have yet to make first distribution. Just in terms of thinking about the cash distribution yield on the portfolio, when could we get to the point where that kind of bottoms out and starts expanding again? Curious if you have any thoughts there.
Erik Zwick: Okay. Yeah, it was nice to see the weighted average investment period move out a little bit longer as well. Let's see, I think last one for me, maybe just in terms of you've made these some of the new investments, rotating the portfolio a little bit, made some new investments as well that have yet to make first distribution. Just in terms of thinking about the cash distribution yield on the portfolio, when could we get to the point where that kind of bottoms out and starts expanding again? Curious if you have any thoughts there.
Speaker #6: So just in terms of thinking about the cash distribution yield on the portfolio, when could we get to the point where that kind of bottoms out and starts to expand again?
Speaker #6: Curious if you have any thoughts there.
Speaker #4: So, yeah, I would say April payments stabilized a bit. We did see another leg down in the July payments. Just as we see continued spread compression, that said, it had slowed down year to date.
Joe Kupka: Yeah. I would say April payments stabilized a bit. We did see another leg down in the July payments just as we see continued spread compression. That said, it had slowed down year to date. It all depends on really the loan market and where refinancing and repricings happen. I don't want to make any particular predictions, but July has definitely been a low point if you look compared to January and April. Hopefully we see some pickup from here, but that's hard to say.
Joe Kupka: Yeah. I would say April payments stabilized a bit. We did see another leg down in the July payments just as we see continued spread compression. That said, it had slowed down year to date. It all depends on really the loan market and where refinancing and repricings happen. I don't want to make any particular predictions, but July has definitely been a low point if you look compared to January and April. Hopefully we see some pickup from here, but that's hard to say.
Speaker #4: So it all depends on, really, the loan market and where refinancing and repricings happen. Yeah, I don't want to make any particular predictions, but July has definitely been a low point if you look compared to January and April.
Speaker #4: So hopefully, we see some pickup from here, but that's hard to say.
Speaker #2: Right. Hopefully driven, at least in part, Eric, by the driver that you referenced earlier, which is the refi and reset market for CLO liability stacks. Of course, to the extent that that's an active market and a very natural offset to spread compression in the U.S. indicated corporate loan market.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Right. Hopefully driven, at least in part, Erik, by the driver that you referenced earlier, which is the refi and reset market for CLO liability stacks, which is, of course, to the extent that that's an active market and a very natural offset to spread compression in the U.S. syndicated corporate loan market.
Jonathan Cohen: Right. Hopefully driven, at least in part, Erik, by the driver that you referenced earlier, which is the refi and reset market for CLO liability stacks, which is, of course, to the extent that that's an active market and a very natural offset to spread compression in the U.S. syndicated corporate loan market.
Speaker #6: Yeah, yeah. No, that'd be great if you guys can continue resetting and refi. And actually, I did have I think one other nope, I'm actually good.
Erik Zwick: Yep. No, that'd be great if you guys can continue resetting and refi. Actually, I did have, I think, one other. Nope, I'm actually good. Thank you. That's all I had right now.
Erik Zwick: Yep. No, that'd be great if you guys can continue resetting and refi. Actually, I did have, I think, one other. Nope, I'm actually good. Thank you. That's all I had right now.
Speaker #6: Thank you. And that's all I had right now.
Speaker #2: All right. Thank you very much, Eric. Appreciate it.
Jonathan H. Cohen: All right. Thank you very much, Erik. Appreciate it.
Jonathan Cohen: All right. Thank you very much, Erik. Appreciate it.
Speaker #1: And with no further questions in queue, I will now hand the call back over to Jonathan Cohen, CEO, for closing remarks.
Operator: With no further questions in queue, I will now hand the call back over to Jonathan Cohen, CEO, for closing remarks.
Operator: With no further questions in queue, I will now hand the call back over to Jonathan Cohen, CEO, for closing remarks.
Speaker #2: Thanks very much. Thanks to everybody who took the time to listen to our call, either live or on the replay today. And we look forward to speaking to you again soon.
Jonathan H. Cohen: Thanks very much. Thanks to everybody who took the time to listen to our call, either live or on the replay today. We look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thanks very much.
Jonathan Cohen: Thanks very much. Thanks to everybody who took the time to listen to our call, either live or on the replay today. We look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thanks very much.
Speaker #2: Thanks very much.
Speaker #1: And audio recording of the event will be available via Echo Replay through Thursday. August 27th at 11:59 PM. This does conclude today's conference call.
Operator: An audio recording of the event will be available via Aeco Replay through Thursday, 27 August at 11:59 PM. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
Operator: An audio recording of the event will be available via Aeco Replay through Thursday, 27 August at 11:59PM. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.