Q2 2026 NET Power Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Greetings, and welcome to NET Power Inc. Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation.
Operator: Greetings and welcome to NET Power Inc.'s Q2 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone requires operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Bryce Mendes, Director, Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: If anyone requires operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Bryce Mendes, Director of Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to NET Power's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. With me on the call today, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Daniel Rice.
Bryce Mendes: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to NET Power's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. With me on the call today, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Danny Rice, our President and Chief Operating Officer, Marc Horstman, and our Chief Financial Officer, Leah Schumann. Yesterday, we issued our earnings release for the Q2 ended 30 June 2026, which is available on our investor relations website at ir.netpower.com. During today's call, our remarks will include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those stated or implied by forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business, which are discussed in our SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Bryce Mendes: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to NET Power's Q2 2026 earnings conference call. With me on the call today, we have our Chief Executive Officer, Danny Rice, our President and Chief Operating Officer, Marc Horstman, and our Chief Financial Officer, Leah Schumann. Yesterday, we issued our earnings release for the Q2 ended 30 June 2026, which is available on our investor relations website at ir.netpower.com. During today's call, our remarks will include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those stated or implied by forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business, which are discussed in our SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Our President and Chief Operating Officer, Marc Horstman, and our Chief Financial Officer, Lee Shuman. Yesterday, we issued our earnings release for the second quarter ended June 30, 2026, which is available on our Investor Relations website at ir.netpower.com.
Speaker #2: During today's call, our remarks will include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those stated or implied by forward-looking statements, due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business.
Speaker #2: These risks are discussed in our SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. A full description of these risks is available in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K, and the quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2026.
Bryce Mendes: A full description of these risks is available in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and the quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended 30 June 2026, each filed with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Danny Rice, NET Power's Chief Executive Officer.
Bryce Mendes: A full description of these risks is available in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and the quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended 30 June 2026, each filed with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Danny Rice, NET Power's Chief Executive Officer.
Speaker #2: These were filed with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Daniel Rice, NET Power's Chief Executive.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Bryce. And good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us this morning. We've spent the last four months in an intensive customer engagement and marketing process.
Danny Rice: Thanks, Bryce, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us this morning. We've spent the last four months in an intensive customer engagement and marketing process. We talked to a broad set of prospective power buyers, the hyperscalers, the data center developers, general industrial companies looking to procure power, and what we heard was unambiguous. The market needs speed, scale, and reliability, and it's willing to pay a fair price for it. Given the shortage of having speed to reliable power at scale, which I think we'd all agree is mission-critical to the US winning the AI race, the tech industry needs to see as much capital pointed directly at solving that problem today.
Danny Rice: Thanks, Bryce, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us this morning. We've spent the last four months in an intensive customer engagement and marketing process. We talked to a broad set of prospective power buyers, the hyperscalers, the data center developers, general industrial companies looking to procure power, and what we heard was unambiguous. The market needs speed, scale, and reliability, and it's willing to pay a fair price for it. Given the shortage of having speed to reliable power at scale, which I think we'd all agree is mission-critical to the US winning the AI race, the tech industry needs to see as much capital pointed directly at solving that problem today.
Speaker #3: We talked to a broad set of prospective power buyers: the hyperscalers, the data center developers, general industrial companies looking to procure power. And what we heard was unambiguous.
Speaker #3: The market needs speed, scale, and reliability, and it's willing to pay a fair price for it. Given the shortage of having speed to reliable power at scale—which I think we'd all agree is mission-critical to the U.S. winning the AI—much capital is pointed directly at solving that problem today. In our case, I think NET Power is unique because, underneath our clean gas technology layer, there's a fundamental understanding of all things gas power generation: both the equipment and the know-how for where these projects make good sense to site for end customers.
Danny Rice: In our case, I think NET Power is unique because underneath our clean gas technology layer is a fundamental understanding of all things gas power generation, both the equipment and the know-how for where these projects make good sense to site for end customers. The market's told us that our 80-megawatt clean gas is very credible, but what they really need is a lot more power, and they need it sooner. We believe the clean piece is important, but just as it's always been, it will only come at scale once society's basic energy pillars of reliable, affordable power are fully in place and power demand is outstripping supply today.
Danny Rice: In our case, I think NET Power is unique because underneath our clean gas technology layer is a fundamental understanding of all things gas power generation, both the equipment and the know-how for where these projects make good sense to site for end customers. The market's told us that our 80-megawatt clean gas is very credible, but what they really need is a lot more power, and they need it sooner. We believe the clean piece is important, but just as it's always been, it will only come at scale once society's basic energy pillars of reliable, affordable power are fully in place and power demand is outstripping supply today.
Speaker #3: So the market's told us that our 80-megawatt clean gas is very credible, but what they really need is a lot more power and they need it sooner.
Speaker #3: We believe the clean piece is important, but just as it's always been, it will only come at scale once society's basic energy pillars of reliable, affordable power are fully in place.
Speaker #3: And power demand is outstripping supply today, so it's incumbent upon us to take a step back and reassess our allocation of capital and our skills to help meet these basic energy needs, while preserving the ability to do what we originally came here to do, which is to transform natural gas into the lowest-cost form of clean, firm power.
Danny Rice: It's incumbent upon us to take a step back and reassess our allocation of our capital and our skills to help meet these basic energy needs while preserving the ability to do what we originally came here to do, which is to transform natural gas into the lowest cost form of clean, firm power. That's still our North Star. This transition to leading with unabated power first is simply a more actionable and likely lower risk pathway to eventually get to a cleaner energy future. That isn't a judgment about the long-term importance of CCS. We believe in it, and it works. Just several weeks ago, the Entropy team commissioned the world's first clean gas power plant in Canada, and that's a huge milestone for the industry. We're sitting here with tens of billions of tons of annual CO2 demand in the Permian Basin for EOR.
Danny Rice: It's incumbent upon us to take a step back and reassess our allocation of our capital and our skills to help meet these basic energy needs while preserving the ability to do what we originally came here to do, which is to transform natural gas into the lowest cost form of clean, firm power. That's still our North Star. This transition to leading with unabated power first is simply a more actionable and likely lower risk pathway to eventually get to a cleaner energy future. That isn't a judgment about the long-term importance of CCS. We believe in it, and it works. Just several weeks ago, the Entropy team commissioned the world's first clean gas power plant in Canada, and that's a huge milestone for the industry. We're sitting here with tens of billions of tons of annual CO2 demand in the Permian Basin for EOR.
Speaker #3: That's still our North Star, so this transition to leading with unabated power first is simply a more actionable and likely lower-risk pathway to eventually get to a cleaner energy future.
Speaker #3: Now, that isn't a judgment about the long-term importance of CCS. We believe in it, and it works. Just several weeks ago, the Entropy team commissioned the world's first clean gas power plant in Canada, and that's a huge milestone for the industry.
Speaker #3: And we're sitting here with tens of billions of tons of annual CO2 demand in the Permian Basin for EOR, and as oil prices rise, as they have been recently, the demand for CO2 just continues to grow.
Danny Rice: As oil prices rise, as they have been recently, the demand for CO2 just continues to grow. I want to spend a moment on why we believe this strategic recalibration is durable. We view it as a pragmatic response to a structural market condition that we think runs for many, many years. The grid has quickly become a binding constraint on data center growth, first in markets like PJM and MISO, but it has quickly made its way to ERCOT as well. It is interesting. I think a lot of folks in the industry viewed ERCOT as a safe haven for speed to power. For a long time, that was especially true. Shorter queue times, better grid reliability, and access to lower cost power. I do not think Texas was really prepared for the onslaught of demand that is now showing up.
Danny Rice: As oil prices rise, as they have been recently, the demand for CO2 just continues to grow. I want to spend a moment on why we believe this strategic recalibration is durable. We view it as a pragmatic response to a structural market condition that we think runs for many, many years. The grid has quickly become a binding constraint on data center growth, first in markets like PJM and MISO, but it has quickly made its way to ERCOT as well. It is interesting. I think a lot of folks in the industry viewed ERCOT as a safe haven for speed to power. For a long time, that was especially true. Shorter queue times, better grid reliability, and access to lower cost power. I do not think Texas was really prepared for the onslaught of demand that is now showing up.
Speaker #3: So I want to spend a moment on why we believe this strategic recalibration is durable. We view it as a pragmatic response to a structural market condition that we think runs for many, many years.
Speaker #3: The grid has quickly become a binding constraint on data center growth—first in markets like PJM and MISO, but it's quickly made its way to ERCOT as well.
Speaker #3: And it's interesting—I think a lot of folks in the industry viewed ERCOT as a safe haven for speed-to-power, and for a long time, that was especially true.
Speaker #3: Shorter queue times, better grid reliability, and access to lower-cost power. But I don't think Texas was really prepared for the onslaught of demand that's now showing up.
Speaker #3: And now ERCOT queues are getting backed up into the 2030s, with no real end in sight to when new supply will catch up to meet this new demand.
Danny Rice: Now ERCOT queues are getting backed up into the 2030s with no real end in sight to when new supply will catch up to meet this new demand. It is forcing creativity to bring this power to market. The overwhelming response that we are seeing is solutions like behind-the-meter, on-site generation with targeted reliability that has become the most actionable near-term solution in the market. We see ourselves as part of that ecosystem. We have the site, we have the Oxy land relationship, and we have the technical capabilities to deliver firm dispatchable power at scale. That is what the market really needs today, and we believe allocating our capital in this manner is the right thing for shareholders and the power industry alike. On the point of grid constraints, it is a primary concern for local communities, too.
Danny Rice: Now ERCOT queues are getting backed up into the 2030s with no real end in sight to when new supply will catch up to meet this new demand. It is forcing creativity to bring this power to market. The overwhelming response that we are seeing is solutions like behind-the-meter, on-site generation with targeted reliability that has become the most actionable near-term solution in the market. We see ourselves as part of that ecosystem. We have the site, we have the Oxy land relationship, and we have the technical capabilities to deliver firm dispatchable power at scale. That is what the market really needs today, and we believe allocating our capital in this manner is the right thing for shareholders and the power industry alike. On the point of grid constraints, it is a primary concern for local communities, too.
Speaker #3: So, it's forcing creativity to bring this power to market. And the overwhelming response that we're seeing is solutions like behind-the-meter, on-site generation with targeted reliability. That has become the most actionable near-term solution in the market.
Speaker #3: And we see ourselves as part of that ecosystem. We have the site, we have the Oxyland relationship, and we have the technical capabilities to deliver firm, dispatchable power at scale.
Speaker #3: That's what the market really needs today, and we believe allocating our capital in this manner is the right thing for shareholders and the power industry alike.
Speaker #3: On the point of grid constraints, it's a primary concern for local communities too. Over the past several months, we've listened closely to the local and national conversations around data center development.
Danny Rice: Over the past several months, we have listened closely to the local and national conversations around data center development, the Texas legislative activity, the moratorium discussions, the scrutiny on water consumption and grid impact, the broad and diverse community questions around this new kind of infrastructure. These are real concerns from real communities, and they deserve real solutions. The pressure emerging around conventional data center development is, if anything, accelerating the demand for what we aspire to build behind-the-meter and completely off-grid power solutions that do not strain the grid, do not sit in an interconnection queue, and are sited and designed so that carbon capture can be added over time. That is not just commercially attractive, it is the kind of project that has a credible answer for a regulator or a community asking hard questions.
Danny Rice: Over the past several months, we have listened closely to the local and national conversations around data center development, the Texas legislative activity, the moratorium discussions, the scrutiny on water consumption and grid impact, the broad and diverse community questions around this new kind of infrastructure. These are real concerns from real communities, and they deserve real solutions. The pressure emerging around conventional data center development is, if anything, accelerating the demand for what we aspire to build behind-the-meter and completely off-grid power solutions that do not strain the grid, do not sit in an interconnection queue, and are sited and designed so that carbon capture can be added over time. That is not just commercially attractive, it is the kind of project that has a credible answer for a regulator or a community asking hard questions.
Speaker #3: The Texas legislative activity, the moratorium discussions, the scrutiny on water consumption and grid impact, the broadened, diverse community questions around this new kind of infrastructure.
Speaker #3: These are real concerns from real communities, and they deserve real solutions. The pressure emerging around conventional data center development is, if anything, accelerating the demand for what we aspire to build.
Speaker #3: Behind-the-meter and completely off-grid power solutions that don't strain the grid, don't sit in an interconnection queue, and are sited and designed so that carbon capture can be added over time.
Speaker #3: That's not just commercially attractive, it's the kind of project that has a credible answer for a regulator or a community asking hard questions. Through every step of Project Permian's development and evolution, our focus has been to be a good neighbor who endeavors to add long-term value to the communities where we live and work.
Danny Rice: Through every step of Project Permian's development and evolution, our focus has been to be a good neighbor who endeavors to add long-term value to the communities where we live and work. We think the direction of the concerns point toward our recalibrated model, not away from it. With that as the backdrop, our commercial strategy is now organized around what today's power customers are actually prioritizing, speed to power, reliability, and scale. Natural gas power generation, co-located with customer load and deployable in a fast timeline, is how we meet that demand. We are redirecting near-term capital and execution focus towards the development of unabated natural gas power generation capacity, with carbon capture retained as an option, a credible, meaningful, preserved option to be layered into projects over time as customer requirements, project economics, and financing support it.
Danny Rice: Through every step of Project Permian's development and evolution, our focus has been to be a good neighbor who endeavors to add long-term value to the communities where we live and work. We think the direction of the concerns point toward our recalibrated model, not away from it. With that as the backdrop, our commercial strategy is now organized around what today's power customers are actually prioritizing, speed to power, reliability, and scale. Natural gas power generation, co-located with customer load and deployable in a fast timeline, is how we meet that demand. We are redirecting near-term capital and execution focus towards the development of unabated natural gas power generation capacity, with carbon capture retained as an option, a credible, meaningful, preserved option to be layered into projects over time as customer requirements, project economics, and financing support it.
Speaker #3: We think the direction of the concerns points toward our recalibrated model, not away from it. So, with that as the backdrop, our commercial strategy is now organized around what today's power customers are actually prioritizing.
Speaker #3: Speed to power, reliability, and scale. Natural gas power generation, co-located with customer load and deployable in a fast timeline, is how we meet that demand.
Speaker #3: We are redirecting near-term capital and execution focus towards the development of unabated natural gas power generation capacity with carbon capture retained as an option, a credible meaningful preserved option, to be layered into projects over time as customer requirements project economics and financing support it.
Speaker #3: We actually think this will be a very differentiating strategy as time moves on, particularly once power supply catches up to demand and the focus begins to shift back to finding low-cost ways to decarbonize our country's newly installed power generation asset base.
Danny Rice: We actually think this will be a very differentiating strategy as time moves on, particularly once power supply catches up to demand and the focus begins to shift back to finding low-cost ways to decarbonize our country's newly installed power generation asset base. The key will be possessing the skills to do it, which we will retain, but also having projects in the right areas where it is technically and geologically feasible to do carbon capture. Let me expand on what this means for our projects and our partnerships. Project Permian, our site in West Texas, is being redesigned for co-located demand. Based on current market feedback, we do not expect to deploy post-combustion carbon capture in the initial phase of deployment. The project is being designed to preserve the ability to add capture in later phases.
Danny Rice: We actually think this will be a very differentiating strategy as time moves on, particularly once power supply catches up to demand and the focus begins to shift back to finding low-cost ways to decarbonize our country's newly installed power generation asset base. The key will be possessing the skills to do it, which we will retain, but also having projects in the right areas where it is technically and geologically feasible to do carbon capture. Let me expand on what this means for our projects and our partnerships. Project Permian, our site in West Texas, is being redesigned for co-located demand. Based on current market feedback, we do not expect to deploy post-combustion carbon capture in the initial phase of deployment. The project is being designed to preserve the ability to add capture in later phases.
Speaker #3: The key will be possessing the skills to do it, which we will retain, but also having projects in the right areas where it's technically and geologically feasible to do carbon capture.
Speaker #3: So let me expand on what this means for our projects and our partnerships. Project Permian, our site in West Texas, is being redesigned for co-located demand.
Speaker #3: Based on current market feedback, we do not expect to deploy post-combustion carbon capture in the initial phase of deployment. The project is being designed to preserve the ability to add capture in later phases; the siting is right, and the Oxy relationship for CO2 offtake via enhanced oil recovery remains intact as a future pathway.
Danny Rice: The siting is right and the Oxy relationship for CO2 offtake via enhanced oil recovery remains intact as a future pathway. What we are not doing is requiring customers to pay for clean power before they have asked for it. The site has capacity for approximately 1 to 1.5 gigawatts of power generation across multiple phases, and the initial phase is being sized to meet what the market will actually contract for today. On our relationship with Entropy, we are discussing a revised framework under which the parties may pursue deployment of Entropy's post-combustion capture technology in later phases of NET Power's projects, as and when supported by customer demand, economics, and financing. Today, it just would not make sense for us to commit capital for something that is not actionable yet.
Danny Rice: The siting is right and the Oxy relationship for CO2 offtake via enhanced oil recovery remains intact as a future pathway. What we are not doing is requiring customers to pay for clean power before they have asked for it. The site has capacity for approximately 1 to 1.5 gigawatts of power generation across multiple phases, and the initial phase is being sized to meet what the market will actually contract for today. On our relationship with Entropy, we are discussing a revised framework under which the parties may pursue deployment of Entropy's post-combustion capture technology in later phases of NET Power's projects, as and when supported by customer demand, economics, and financing. Today, it just would not make sense for us to commit capital for something that is not actionable yet.
Speaker #3: What we are not doing is requiring customers to pay for clean power before they've asked for it. The site has capacity for approximately one to one-and-a-half gigawatts of power generation across multiple phases, and the initial phase is being sized to meet what the market will actually contract for today.
Speaker #3: On our relationship with Entropy, we're discussing a revised framework under which the parties may pursue deployment of Entropy's post-combustion capture technology in later phases of NET Power's projects.
Speaker #3: As and when supported by customer demand, economics, and financing. But today, it just wouldn't make sense for us to commit capital to something that isn't actionable yet.
Speaker #3: So, we're going to try to preserve the relationship and the great work our teams have already done together. That work has shed a lot of insight on project design to accommodate carbon capture, so that the retrofit option is a consideration in broader power site design.
Danny Rice: We are going to try to preserve the relationship and the great work our teams have already done together. That work has shed a lot of insight on project design to accommodate carbon capture so that the retrofit option is a consideration in broader power site design. Clean power remains the long-term destination. The North Star for us has not changed, but what has changed is the order of operations. We build the power first, a lot of it on an accelerated timeline to meet customers' needs now, and we capture when it makes sense. I will pass it over to Marc to give you a brief operational update, and then Leah will cover the financials. Marc?
Danny Rice: We are going to try to preserve the relationship and the great work our teams have already done together. That work has shed a lot of insight on project design to accommodate carbon capture so that the retrofit option is a consideration in broader power site design. Clean power remains the long-term destination. The North Star for us has not changed, but what has changed is the order of operations. We build the power first, a lot of it on an accelerated timeline to meet customers' needs now, and we capture when it makes sense. I will pass it over to Marc to give you a brief operational update, and then Leah will cover the financials. Marc?
Speaker #3: Clean power remains a long-term destination. The North Star for us hasn't changed, but what has changed is the order of operations. We build the power first.
Speaker #3: A lot of it is on an accelerated timeline to meet customers' needs now, and we capture when it makes sense. So I'll pass it over to Mark to give you a brief operational update, and then Lee will cover the financials.
Speaker #3: Mark.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Danny. Good morning, everyone. I'll keep this brief. We're reorienting our project execution around unabated behind-the-meter power generation, which means firm power at three-nines reliability.
Marc Horstman: Thanks, Danny. Good morning, everyone. I will keep this brief. We are reorienting our project execution around unabated behind-the-meter power generation, which means firm power at three nines reliability. That is 99.9% uptime, which corresponds to the plant being down for only a handful of hours a year. This co-located with customer loads on the 2028 timeline this market is asking for. The configuration we are developing for Project Permian and other sites pairs battery energy storage, reciprocating engines, and gas turbines to build in redundancy. A single unit's outage or scheduled maintenance does not take down power for which the customer desperately needs and requires. Our modeling to date shows a single large unit cannot meet a three nines target on its own, since planned maintenance alone would exceed the outage budget. Multiplying smaller units is what gets you there, and it is the direction the broader market has moved.
Marc Horstman: Thanks, Danny. Good morning, everyone. I will keep this brief. We are reorienting our project execution around unabated behind-the-meter power generation, which means firm power at three nines reliability. That is 99.9% uptime, which corresponds to the plant being down for only a handful of hours a year. This co-located with customer loads on the 2028 timeline this market is asking for. The configuration we are developing for Project Permian and other sites pairs battery energy storage, reciprocating engines, and gas turbines to build in redundancy. A single unit's outage or scheduled maintenance does not take down power for which the customer desperately needs and requires. Our modeling to date shows a single large unit cannot meet a three nines target on its own, since planned maintenance alone would exceed the outage budget.
Speaker #2: And that is 99.9% uptime, which corresponds to the plant being down for only a handful of hours a year. This is co-located with customer load on the 2028 timeline this market is asking for.
Speaker #2: The configuration we're developing for Project Permian and other sites pairs battery energy storage, reciprocating engines, and gas turbines to build in redundancy. So a single unit’s outage or scheduled maintenance doesn't take down power, which the customer desperately needs and requires.
Speaker #2: Our modeling to date shows a single large unit can't meet a three-nines target on its own, since planned maintenance alone would exceed the outage budget.
Speaker #2: Multiplying smaller units is what gets you there, and it's the direction the broader market has moved. On the commercial side, we're going direct to hyperscalers and their data center developers.
Marc Horstman: Multiplying smaller units is what gets you there, and it is the direction the broader market has moved.
David Brown: On the commercial side, we are going direct to hyperscalers and their data center developers, leading with speed to power and land access, pairing our power development with the customer's campus build-out as coordinated parallel work streams with the design preserving the option to add post-combustion capture later. In concert with a potential customer, we are working to secure an additional 120 megawatts of gas power equipment with early delivery, which, combined with our already secured gas turbines, would bring our total secured capacity to nearly 200 megawatts for the first phase of this larger project. Our relationship with Oxy remains an important differentiator. A multi-site land footprint across West Texas is the kind of scalability the largest data center operators are asking for. We are actively working with Oxy to advance land rights for our power development, and that is a near-term priority for us.
Marc Horstman: On the commercial side, we are going direct to hyperscalers and their data center developers, leading with speed to power and land access, pairing our power development with the customer's campus build-out as coordinated parallel work streams with the design preserving the option to add post-combustion capture later. In concert with a potential customer, we are working to secure an additional 120 megawatts of gas power equipment with early delivery, which, combined with our already secured gas turbines, would bring our total secured capacity to nearly 200 megawatts for the first phase of this larger project. Our relationship with Oxy remains an important differentiator. A multi-site land footprint across West Texas is the kind of scalability the largest data center operators are asking for. We are actively working with Oxy to advance land rights for our power development, and that is a near-term priority for us.
Speaker #2: Leading with speed to power and land access, pairing our power development with the customer's campus build-out as coordinated parallel workstreams, with the design preserving the option to add post-combustion capture later.
Speaker #2: In concert with a potential customer, we're working to secure an additional 120 megawatts of gas power equipment with early delivery, which, combined with our already secured gas turbines, would bring our total secured capacity to nearly 200 megawatts for the first phase of this larger project.
Speaker #2: Our relationship with Oxy remains an important differentiator. A multi-site land footprint across West Texas is the kind of scalability the largest data center operators are asking for.
Speaker #2: We're actively working with Oxy to advance land rights for our power development, and that is a near-term priority for us. With that, I'll hand it over to Lee.
David Brown: With that, I will hand it over to Leah.
Marc Horstman: With that, I will hand it over to Leah.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Mark. Good morning. Here's a quick financial update. We ended the second quarter with approximately $310 million in cash, cash equivalents, and investments, and no debt.
Leah Schumann: Thank you, Marc. Good morning. Here is a quick financial update. We ended the Q2 with approximately $310 million cash equivalents, and investments and no debt. Our current cash position is sufficient to support ongoing operations and development activities in Project Permian, plus portions of the equipment for the project. Funding for the project through construction to commercial operation will require project-level financing, partner capital, additional equity, or some combination of those sources. We remain optimistic about our ability to secure capital to complete the project. Our balance sheet gives us the runway to be deliberate about this process. We are measuring every dollar we spend against what it takes to get to a fundable project, and we are managing the business accordingly. With that, I will hand it over to the operator for Q&A.
Lee Shuman: Thank you, Marc. Good morning. Here is a quick financial update. We ended the Q2 with approximately $310 million cash equivalents, and investments and no debt. Our current cash position is sufficient to support ongoing operations and development activities in Project Permian, plus portions of the equipment for the project. Funding for the project through construction to commercial operation will require project-level financing, partner capital, additional equity, or some combination of those sources. We remain optimistic about our ability to secure capital to complete the project. Our balance sheet gives us the runway to be deliberate about this process. We are measuring every dollar we spend against what it takes to get to a fundable project, and we are managing the business accordingly. With that, I will hand it over to the operator for Q&A.
Speaker #1: Our current cash position is sufficient to support ongoing operations and development activities in Project Permian, plus portions of the equipment for the project. Funding for the project, through construction to commercial operation, will require project-level financing, partner capital, additional equity, or some combination of those sources.
Speaker #1: We remain optimistic about our ability to secure capital to complete the project. Our balance sheet gives us the runway to be deliberate about this process.
Speaker #1: We are measuring every dollar we spend against what it takes to get to a fundable project, and we remain—and we are managing the business accordingly.
Speaker #1: With that, I'll hand it over to the operator for Q&A.
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Speaker #5: Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Can you build on your prepared remarks a bit on how you view the longer-term strategic positioning for NET Power with this new focus?
Nathaniel Pendleton: Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Can you build on your prepared remarks a bit on how you view the longer-term strategic positioning for NET Power with this new focus? Specifically, how you think about where NET Power wins against other developers that are also trying to put power on the grid in West Texas?
Nate Pendleton: Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Can you build on your prepared remarks a bit on how you view the longer-term strategic positioning for NET Power with this new focus? Specifically, how you think about where NET Power wins against other developers that are also trying to put power on the grid in West Texas?
Speaker #5: Specifically, how do you think about where NET Power wins against other developers that are also trying to put power on the grid in West Texas?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, that's—a no, it's a good question. Look, I think if you just look at—if you take a step back and you look at the market right now, I think we really have these two potential phases.
Marc Horstman: Yeah. Hey, Nate. No, it's a good question. Look, I think if you take a step back and you look at the market right now, I think we really have these two potential phases. I think the phase that we're in right now is we're definitely in a shortage situation. By that I mean there's not enough power generation being built. I think one of the questions we always ask ourselves is: What's our competitive advantage? What's the differentiating feature of us versus everybody else? I think when markets eventually get to stabilization and markets are at equilibrium, I think you definitely need to have a strategic differentiator versus your peers. But we're not in that market. We're in a very supply-constrained market, and value creation doesn't necessarily have to come from differentiation.
Danny Rice: Yeah. Hey, Nate. No, it's a good question. Look, I think if you take a step back and you look at the market right now, I think we really have these two potential phases. I think the phase that we're in right now is we're definitely in a shortage situation. By that I mean there's not enough power generation being built. I think one of the questions we always ask ourselves is: What's our competitive advantage? What's the differentiating feature of us versus everybody else? I think when markets eventually get to stabilization and markets are at equilibrium, I think you definitely need to have a strategic differentiator versus your peers. But we're not in that market. We're in a very supply-constrained market, and value creation doesn't necessarily have to come from differentiation.
Speaker #2: And I think the phase that we're in right now is we're definitely in a shortage situation. And by that, I mean, there's not enough power generation being built.
Speaker #2: And I think one of the questions we always ask ourselves is, what's our competitive advantage? What's the differentiating feature of us versus everybody else?
Speaker #2: I think when markets eventually get to stabilization, and markets are at equilibrium, you definitely need to have a strategic differentiator versus your peers.
Speaker #2: But we're not in that market. We're in a very, very supply-constrained market. And value creation doesn't necessarily have to come from differentiation. It has to come from just capabilities to be able to meet the market's demand.
Marc Horstman: It has to come from just capabilities to be able to meet the market's demand. I think that's one of the things that we heard loud and clear over the last few months is, yeah, the clean piece is really interesting, but what we really need is just, we need a lot more power, and we need it faster. If you guys have the capital, both the intellectual human capital as well as the financial capital and the wherewithal to be able to do that's where we want to see you allocate your capital. I think for where we are right now, the market is extremely short power, and if you have the capability to be able to do that is value additive, that's value creative.
Danny Rice: It has to come from just capabilities to be able to meet the market's demand. I think that's one of the things that we heard loud and clear over the last few months is, yeah, the clean piece is really interesting, but what we really need is just, we need a lot more power, and we need it faster. If you guys have the capital, both the intellectual human capital as well as the financial capital and the wherewithal to be able to do that's where we want to see you allocate your capital. I think for where we are right now, the market is extremely short power, and if you have the capability to be able to do that is value additive, that's value creative.
Speaker #2: And I think that's one of the things that we heard sort of loud and clear over the last few months is, yeah, the clean piece is really interesting, but we really need what we really need is just we need a lot more power, and we need it faster.
Speaker #2: And if you guys have the capital—both the intellectual human capital as well as the financial capital—and the wherewithal to be able to do that, that's where we want to see you allocate your capital.
Speaker #2: And so I think, for where we are right now, the market is extremely short on power, and if you have the capability to be able to do that, that is value additive.
Speaker #2: That's value creative. And I think as we think about the long-term, once the market actually gets to stabilization—and by that, it's once supply has been built up to be able to restore reliability to the grid, once everybody's basic power needs are being met, which we would argue that they were on the precipice of not happening—I think once you get to that sort of parity, that's where you really have to take a hard look at what's your strategic differentiator versus everybody else.
Marc Horstman: I think as we think about long-term, once the market actually gets to stabilization, and by that it's once supply has been built up to be able to restore reliability to the grid, once everybody's basic power needs are being met, which we would argue that we're on the precipice of that happening. I think once you get to that sort of parity, I think that's where you really have to take a hard look at what's your strategic differentiator versus everybody else. As we think about just this transition from the market being short power today, us being able to install the unabated power gives us the opportunity to create ton of value because of the shortage.
Danny Rice: I think as we think about long-term, once the market actually gets to stabilization, and by that it's once supply has been built up to be able to restore reliability to the grid, once everybody's basic power needs are being met, which we would argue that we're on the precipice of that happening. I think once you get to that sort of parity, I think that's where you really have to take a hard look at what's your strategic differentiator versus everybody else. As we think about just this transition from the market being short power today, us being able to install the unabated power gives us the opportunity to create ton of value because of the shortage.
Speaker #2: And so, as we sort of think about this transition—from the market being short power today—to us being able to install the unabated power, it gives us the opportunity to create a ton of value because of the shortage.
Speaker #2: And then, as we transition into the market and call it 10 or 15 years, where the market's at equilibrium, I think that's where this core strength of decarbonizing the gas power generation really becomes that differentiator.
Marc Horstman: As we transition into the market in call it 10, 15 years, where the market's at equilibrium, I think that's where this core strength of decarbonizing the gas power generation really becomes that differentiator. That's why it's important for us that we're continuing to hold onto that, continue to preserve that.
Danny Rice: As we transition into the market in call it 10, 15 years, where the market's at equilibrium, I think that's where this core strength of decarbonizing the gas power generation really becomes that differentiator. That's why it's important for us that we're continuing to hold onto that, continue to preserve that.
Speaker #2: And so that's why it's important for us that we're continuing to hold on, to hold on to that—continue to preserve that. And the easiest way for us to be able to preserve that is really making sure that we're putting our projects in the areas where sequestration is possible.
Danny Rice: The easiest way for us to be able to preserve that is really making sure that we're putting our projects in the areas where sequestration is possible. I don't think you'll necessarily find us going into areas where the ability to capture and sequester the CO2 is impossible. I think the nice part about West Texas especially, is you're not compromising on the merits of the unabated gas power. The abundance of the natural gas, the land availability, are second to none out there. As you're thinking about places to be able to put just unabated gas power generation, West Texas is incredible.
Danny Rice: The easiest way for us to be able to preserve that is really making sure that we're putting our projects in the areas where sequestration is possible. I don't think you'll necessarily find us going into areas where the ability to capture and sequester the CO2 is impossible. I think the nice part about West Texas especially, is you're not compromising on the merits of the unabated gas power. The abundance of the natural gas, the land availability, are second to none out there. As you're thinking about places to be able to put just unabated gas power generation, West Texas is incredible.
Speaker #2: So I don't think you'll necessarily find us going into areas where the ability to capture and sequester the CO2 is impossible. But I think the nice part about West Texas especially is you're not compromising on the merits of the unabated gas power.
Speaker #2: The abundance of the natural gas and the land availability are second to none out there. So as you're thinking about places to be able to put just unabated gas power generation, West Texas is incredible.
Speaker #2: And when you kind of layer on what's going to happen in five or ten or fifteen years, when the clean piece starts to come into focus again, you're going to want to be in those places where you can take your existing assets and decarbonize them.
Danny Rice: When you kind of layer on what's going to happen in 5 or 10 or 15 years when the clean piece starts to come into focus again, you're going to want to be in those places where you can take your existing assets and decarbonize them. For us, this West Texas location really sort of fits into both of those buckets of, we can use these assets that we have to meet the market's needs today to create value while still preserving the optionality and really the intent and the ability to be able to decarbonize and really flex that differentiated skill set that we possess versus the broader market.
Danny Rice: When you kind of layer on what's going to happen in 5 or 10 or 15 years when the clean piece starts to come into focus again, you're going to want to be in those places where you can take your existing assets and decarbonize them. For us, this West Texas location really sort of fits into both of those buckets of, we can use these assets that we have to meet the market's needs today to create value while still preserving the optionality and really the intent and the ability to be able to decarbonize and really flex that differentiated skill set that we possess versus the broader market.
Speaker #2: So for us, this West Texas location really sort of fits into both of those buckets of we can use these assets that we have to meet the market's needs today to create value, while still preserving the optionality and really the intent and the ability to be able to decarbonize and really flex that differentiated skill set that we possess versus the broader market.
Speaker #5: Got it. Thanks, Daniel. That makes complete sense. And then you just alluded to the customer conversations that drove the change. Maybe how should we think about the path and timing from here to assigned offtake on the back of so many conversations that you've had already?
Nathaniel Pendleton: Got it. Thanks, Danny Rice. That makes complete sense. You just alluded to the customer conversations that drove the change. Maybe how should we think about the path and timing from here to assigned offtake on the back of so many conversations that you've had already?
Nate Pendleton: Got it. Thanks, Danny Rice. That makes complete sense. You just alluded to the customer conversations that drove the change. Maybe how should we think about the path and timing from here to assigned offtake on the back of so many conversations that you've had already?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, those conversations are in progress today. As Marc kind of noted in his comments, we're in the middle of securing additional power equipment to meet these power needs of the customer.
Danny Rice: Yeah, I mean, those conversations are in progress today. As Marc kind of noted in his comments, we are in the middle of securing additional power equipment to meet these power needs of the customer. We are not necessarily going out there on spec the way we did for the first power generation units that we secured last year. That was really to get our foot in the door to do the PCC. We are now able to take that asset and use that as part of the starting block of the first phase of the Project Permian site. This next tranche of megawatts that we are securing is really at the behest of one of these prospective customers that we hope to work with. It is not speculation on our side. It is really just in coordination with them.
Danny Rice: Yeah, I mean, those conversations are in progress today. As Marc kind of noted in his comments, we are in the middle of securing additional power equipment to meet these power needs of the customer. We are not necessarily going out there on spec the way we did for the first power generation units that we secured last year. That was really to get our foot in the door to do the PCC. We are now able to take that asset and use that as part of the starting block of the first phase of the Project Permian site. This next tranche of megawatts that we are securing is really at the behest of one of these prospective customers that we hope to work with. It is not speculation on our side. It is really just in coordination with them.
Speaker #2: So, we're not necessarily going out there on spec the way we did for the first power generation units that we secured last year. That was really to get our foot in the door to do the PCC.
Speaker #2: But we're now able to take that asset and use that as part of the starting block of the first phase of the project premium site.
Speaker #2: So this next tranche of megawatts that we're securing is really at the behest of one of these prospective customers that we hope to work with.
Speaker #2: So, it's not speculation. On our side, it's really just in coordination with them. So, hopefully, in the next couple of months, we'll have more to share. But I think the reality is the ultimate success of this project is making sure that all potential stakeholders are aligned.
Danny Rice: Hopefully in the next couple of months, we will have more to share, but I think the reality is, the ultimate success of this project is making sure that all potential stakeholders are aligned. The community point is going to be a big one, and so we want to make sure that we are doing thing on the appropriate timeline and disclosing things appropriately as it moves along.
Danny Rice: Hopefully in the next couple of months, we will have more to share, but I think the reality is, the ultimate success of this project is making sure that all potential stakeholders are aligned. The community point is going to be a big one, and so we want to make sure that we are doing thing on the appropriate timeline and disclosing things appropriately as it moves along.
Speaker #2: And so the community points is going to be a big one. And so we want to make sure that we're doing things on the appropriate timeline and disclosing things appropriately as it moves along.
Speaker #5: All right. Thanks for taking my questions.
Nathaniel Pendleton: All right. Thanks for taking my questions.
Nate Pendleton: All right. Thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker #2: Yep. Thank you.
Danny Rice: Yep. Thank you.
Danny Rice: Yep. Thank you.
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Speaker #6: Hi, good morning. I was just curious—in the discussions you've had with potential offtakers, to the degree that data center development is a huge part of the incremental demand—are the parties you're talking with more in a project origination stage, would you say, or are they generally well in progress down the development pathway where maybe, when they started to set the process in motion, the internet connectivity, etc., weren't as glaring an issue as they are now?
Noel Parks: Hi. Good morning. I was just curious, in the discussions you have had with potential off-takers, to a degree that data center development is a huge part of the incremental demand. Are the parties you are talking with more in a project origination stage, would you say, or are they generally sort of well in progress down the development pathway where maybe when they set the process in motion, the interconnect queues, et cetera, were not as glaring an issue as they are now?
Noel Parks: Hi. Good morning. I was just curious, in the discussions you have had with potential off-takers, to a degree that data center development is a huge part of the incremental demand. Are the parties you are talking with more in a project origination stage, would you say, or are they generally sort of well in progress down the development pathway where maybe when they set the process in motion, the interconnect queues, et cetera, were not as glaring an issue as they are now?
Speaker #2: Yeah. Noel, are you talking about our project specifically, or are you talking about the potential customers' projects in general?
Danny Rice: Noel, are you talking about our project specifically, or are you talking about the potential customers' projects in general?
Danny Rice: Noel, are you talking about our project specifically, or are you talking about the potential customers' projects in general?
Speaker #6: A potential customer's projects.
Noel Parks: Potential customers' projects.
Noel Parks: Potential customers' projects.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at just the site that we have in West Texas, it's fairly uniquely positioned. It's not just the one site.
Danny Rice: Yeah. I think if you look at just the site that we have on West Texas, it's fairly uniquely positioned. It's not just the one site. We were originally contemplating this would be a grid-connected project, but I think as everybody's starting to have real concerns around just the reliability of the grid, it's been pretty incredible, even in a place like Texas. Texas has been a safe haven for folks for a few years now, and that's why you've seen such an influx of demand for interconnects into the ERCOT grid. But now that the ERCOT grid is starting to indicate that new supply isn't showing up fast enough, I think it's causing people to have some pause around having grid-connected projects.
Danny Rice: Yeah. I think if you look at just the site that we have on West Texas, it's fairly uniquely positioned. It's not just the one site. We were originally contemplating this would be a grid-connected project, but I think as everybody's starting to have real concerns around just the reliability of the grid, it's been pretty incredible, even in a place like Texas. Texas has been a safe haven for folks for a few years now, and that's why you've seen such an influx of demand for interconnects into the ERCOT grid. But now that the ERCOT grid is starting to indicate that new supply isn't showing up fast enough, I think it's causing people to have some pause around having grid-connected projects.
Speaker #2: I mean, we were originally contemplating this would be a grid-connected project, but I think as everybody's starting to have real concerns around just the reliability of the grid, it's been pretty incredible.
Speaker #2: Even in a place like Texas—Texas has been a safe haven for folks for a few years now. And that's why you've seen such an influx of demand for interconnects into the ERCOT grid.
Speaker #2: But now that the ERCOT grid is starting to indicate that new supply isn't showing up fast enough, I think it's causing people to have some pause around having grid-connected projects.
Speaker #2: And I think everybody's now starting to really just take matters into their own hands, saying, "If we can't depend on the grid, we have to be fairly self-sufficient." And so that really lends itself to the behind-the-meter, off-grid sort of model.
Danny Rice: I think everybody's now starting to really just take matters into their own hands, saying, "If we can't depend on the grid, we have to be fairly self-sufficient." That really lends itself to the behind-the-meter, off-grid sort of model. This is more of just a coincidence, but it actually fairly aligns with what we were actually doing on the PCC piece, which was start on the smaller gas turbine units. Let's not go after the big ones to start.
Danny Rice: I think everybody's now starting to really just take matters into their own hands, saying, "If we can't depend on the grid, we have to be fairly self-sufficient." That really lends itself to the behind-the-meter, off-grid sort of model. This is more of just a coincidence, but it actually fairly aligns with what we were actually doing on the PCC piece, which was start on the smaller gas turbine units. Let's not go after the big ones to start.
Speaker #2: And this is more of just a coincidence, but it actually fairly aligns with what we were actually doing on the PCC piece, which was start on the smaller gas turbine units—let's not go after the big ones to start.
Speaker #2: And so we were really designing this sort of site around smaller gas turbine units, which, like Mark said in his prepared remarks, when you aggregate a bunch of smaller units, you're able to get a much higher reliability factor that is a lot more conducive to this behind-the-meter application than if we had one large frame turbine producing 400 megawatts.
Danny Rice: We were really designing this sort of site around smaller gas turbine units, which when you, like Marc said in his prepared remarks, when you aggregate a bunch of smaller units, you're able to get a much higher reliability factor that is a lot more conducive to sort of this behind-the-meter application than if we had one large frame turbine producing 400 megawatts. You're going to have to have so much redundancy there because you have a massive single point of failure risk. So we've sort of been designing this for the PCC, but it's also very conducive to removing the PCC and have the reliability in this behind-the-meter sort of application. So I think the design that we had been working on really for the PCC piece actually works incredibly well in the unabated version.
Danny Rice: We were really designing this sort of site around smaller gas turbine units, which when you, like Marc said in his prepared remarks, when you aggregate a bunch of smaller units, you're able to get a much higher reliability factor that is a lot more conducive to sort of this behind-the-meter application than if we had one large frame turbine producing 400 megawatts. You're going to have to have so much redundancy there because you have a massive single point of failure risk. So we've sort of been designing this for the PCC, but it's also very conducive to removing the PCC and have the reliability in this behind-the-meter sort of application. So I think the design that we had been working on really for the PCC piece actually works incredibly well in the unabated version.
Speaker #2: You're going to have to—you’re going to have to have so much redundancy there, because you have a massive, massive single point of failure risk.
Speaker #2: So we've sort of been designing this for the PCC, but it's also very conducive to removing the PCC and having the reliability and this behind-the-meter sort of application.
Speaker #2: So I think the design that we had been working on, really for the PCC piece, actually works incredibly well in the unabated version. The only real difference is, rather than spending an extra 2x on the PCC piece, we can take that capital and allocate it to essentially double the amount of installed megawatts for the behind-the-meter off-grid application.
Danny Rice: The only real difference is rather than spending an extra 2x on the PCC piece, we can take that capital and allocate it to essentially double the amount of installed megawatts for the behind-the-meter off-grid application. So that's been the biggest piece of the feedback to the market. It's like the feedback has really been like, "You guys have the gas skill set. You're kind of doing it the hard way by also doing the PCC. Take that capital and allocate it to what we need right now, which is, we need as much firm, reliable power generation on an accelerated timeline as you can give us." So we've taken that market feedback. We're running with the market feedback. In concert with this potential customer, we're securing additional turbines or additional power equipment to be able to meet their power needs on an accelerated timeline.
Danny Rice: The only real difference is rather than spending an extra 2x on the PCC piece, we can take that capital and allocate it to essentially double the amount of installed megawatts for the behind-the-meter off-grid application. So that's been the biggest piece of the feedback to the market. It's like the feedback has really been like, "You guys have the gas skill set. You're kind of doing it the hard way by also doing the PCC. Take that capital and allocate it to what we need right now, which is, we need as much firm, reliable power generation on an accelerated timeline as you can give us." So we've taken that market feedback. We're running with the market feedback. In concert with this potential customer, we're securing additional turbines or additional power equipment to be able to meet their power needs on an accelerated timeline.
Speaker #2: So that's been the biggest piece of the feedback from the market. It's like the feedback has really been, "You guys have the gas skill set."
Speaker #2: You're kind of doing it the hard way by also doing the PCC. Take that capital and allocate it to what we need right now, which is as much firm, reliable power generation on an accelerated timeline as you can give us." So we've taken that market feedback.
Speaker #2: We're running with the market feedback. In concert with this potential customer, we're securing additional turbines or additional power equipment to be able to meet their power needs on an accelerated timeline.
Speaker #2: So, I think everybody from the NET Power side is fairly aligned with the strategy. The important part for us is making sure that we preserve this optionality to do the carbon capture, because we are quite confident it's going to come back at some time in the future.
Danny Rice: I think everybody from the NET Power side is fairly aligned with the strategy. The important part for us is making sure that we preserve this optionality to do the carbon capture, because we are quite confident it is going to come back at some time in the future, and we need to be ready for it for when it does happen.
Danny Rice: I think everybody from the NET Power side is fairly aligned with the strategy. The important part for us is making sure that we preserve this optionality to do the carbon capture, because we are quite confident it is going to come back at some time in the future, and we need to be ready for it for when it does happen.
Speaker #2: And we need to be ready for it when it does happen.
Speaker #6: Great, thanks. And as you're looking at scenarios going forward of how long we might be in this shortage situation before utilities and the grid catch up on their interconnectabilities, I've heard some people say maybe five years out, and/or before sort of global production of gas turbines ramps up to be more in alignment with kind of near-term needs.
Noel Parks: Great. Thanks. As you are looking at scenarios going forward of how long we might be in this shortage situation before utilities and the grid catch up on their interconnectabilities, I have heard some people say maybe 5 years out, or before the sort of global production of gas turbines ramps that could be more in alignment with kind of near-term needs. As you were looking at this, did you have sort of a range of how long you thought the shortage situation might last? I was just wondering if you have a sort of a nearer-term scenario, a longer-term scenario, just as far as what that period might look like.
Noel Parks: Great. Thanks. As you are looking at scenarios going forward of how long we might be in this shortage situation before utilities and the grid catch up on their interconnectabilities, I have heard some people say maybe 5 years out, or before the sort of global production of gas turbines ramps that could be more in alignment with kind of near-term needs. As you were looking at this, did you have sort of a range of how long you thought the shortage situation might last? I was just wondering if you have a sort of a nearer-term scenario, a longer-term scenario, just as far as what that period might look like.
Speaker #6: As you were looking at this, did you have sort of a range of how long you thought this or situation might last? And I just want to kind of see if you have sort of a nearer-term scenario, longer-term scenario, just as far as what that period might look like.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I think on the short end of the range, you're talking about the early 2030s. So, I mean, that's just to get new generation or new load onto the grid.
Danny Rice: Yeah. I think on the short end of the range, you are talking about early 2030s. That is just to get new generation or new load onto the grid. You are talking about early 2030s. That is in a market like ERCOT, which is probably the fastest to market. I think if you are looking at MISO and PJM, you are talking about even longer time frames. That is not to solve the problem, that is just to start to solve the problem, which I think is the scary part. I think it all comes down to, are we going to continue to see the advancement of AI cause new demand for new power generation, right? I think as the world quickly starts to adopt AI and embrace it, I think it becomes a fixture in everybody's lives, and it becomes a fixture in terms of just load and demand for power.
Danny Rice: Yeah. I think on the short end of the range, you are talking about early 2030s. That is just to get new generation or new load onto the grid. You are talking about early 2030s. That is in a market like ERCOT, which is probably the fastest to market. I think if you are looking at MISO and PJM, you are talking about even longer time frames. That is not to solve the problem, that is just to start to solve the problem, which I think is the scary part. I think it all comes down to, are we going to continue to see the advancement of AI cause new demand for new power generation, right?
Speaker #2: You're talking about the early 2030s, and that's in a market like ERCOT, which is probably the fastest to market. I think if you're looking at myself and PJM, you're talking about even longer timeframes.
Speaker #2: And that's not to solve the problem. That's just to start to solve the problem, which I think is the scary part. And so, I think it all comes down to: are we going to continue to see the advancement of AI cause new demand for new power generation?
Speaker #2: Right? And I think, as the world quickly starts to adopt AI and embrace it, it becomes a fixture in everybody's lives, and it becomes a fixture in terms of just load and demand for power.
Danny Rice: I think as the world quickly starts to adopt AI and embrace it, I think it becomes a fixture in everybody's lives, and it becomes a fixture in terms of just load and demand for power.
Speaker #2: So the way we kind of the way I kind of see it is in the most conservative sort of scenario, you're talking about a lot of these grid constraints and power constraints being resolved by the middle of next decade.
Danny Rice: The way I kind of see it is in the most conservative sort of scenario, you are talking about a lot of these grid constraints and power constraints being resolved by the middle of next decade. Then there is the scenario where it does not get solved until the 2040s or beyond. I think in any case, when you are designing these behind-the-meter sort of applications or off-grid applications, there is always the expectation or intent that eventually it will become grid connected. As we look at potentially siting these projects, we want to be able to have that sort of optionality, the same way we have the optionality on the carbon capture. That means we are going to be smart about where we site these potential projects, right?
Danny Rice: The way I kind of see it is in the most conservative sort of scenario, you are talking about a lot of these grid constraints and power constraints being resolved by the middle of next decade. Then there is the scenario where it does not get solved until the 2040s or beyond. I think in any case, when you are designing these behind-the-meter sort of applications or off-grid applications, there is always the expectation or intent that eventually it will become grid connected. As we look at potentially siting these projects, we want to be able to have that sort of optionality, the same way we have the optionality on the carbon capture. That means we are going to be smart about where we site these potential projects, right?
Speaker #2: And then there's the scenario where it doesn't get solved until the 2040s or beyond. But I think in any case, when you're designing these behind-the-meter sort of applications or off-grid applications, there's always the expectation or intent that eventually it'll become grid-connected.
Speaker #2: So, as we look at potentially citing these projects, we want to be able to have that sort of optionality, the same way we have the optionality on the carbon capture.
Speaker #2: And that means we're going to be smart about where we site these potential projects, right? So this Permian site project that we have, we're fairly close to a couple of really large high-voltage power lines.
Danny Rice: This Project Permian site that we have, we are fairly close to a couple of really large, high voltage power lines that we can connect into at some point in the future, once the grid is reliable enough for us to connect into it. Then you will have essentially a behind-the-meter sort of application. I think that is one of the key traits that you will sort of see with our project is future proofing, right? Future proof on being able to connect into the grid, but also future proof in terms of if society changes its view on how aggressive we need to be on reducing emissions, we are going to be in a place where we can retrofit very quickly.
Danny Rice: This Project Permian site that we have, we are fairly close to a couple of really large, high voltage power lines that we can connect into at some point in the future, once the grid is reliable enough for us to connect into it. Then you will have essentially a behind-the-meter sort of application. I think that is one of the key traits that you will sort of see with our project is future proofing, right? Future proof on being able to connect into the grid, but also future proof in terms of if society changes its view on how aggressive we need to be on reducing emissions, we are going to be in a place where we can retrofit very quickly.
Speaker #2: That we can connect into at some point in the future, once the grid is reliable enough for us to connect into it. And so then you'll have essentially a behind-the-meter sort of application.
Speaker #2: So I think that's one of, I think, the key traits that you'll sort of see with our project is future-proofing, right? Future-proof on being able to connect into the grid, but also future-proof in terms of if society changes its view on how aggressive we need to be on reducing emissions, we're going to be in a place where we can retrofit very, very quickly.
Speaker #2: And a lot of that's in part due to the great work that Mark and our team have done with Sanjay and the Entropy team over the course of the last 12 months to really understand the PCC piece inside and out, and making sure that these projects are in an area where, if we do have the ability to capture the CO2, we have a place close by to be able to transport and sequester it.
Danny Rice: A lot of that is in part due to the great work that Marc and our team have done with Sanjay and the Entropy team over the course of the last 12 months to really understand the PCC piece inside and out and making sure that these projects are in an area where if we do have the ability to capture the CO2, we have a place close by to be able to transport and sequester it. That sort of partnership with Oxy continues on being able to have that option to be able to sell them the CO2 for utilization in their enhanced oil recovery operations. I think there is a ton of optionality your customers are going to be able to get with NET Power projects.
Danny Rice: A lot of that is in part due to the great work that Marc and our team have done with Sanjay and the Entropy team over the course of the last 12 months to really understand the PCC piece inside and out and making sure that these projects are in an area where if we do have the ability to capture the CO2, we have a place close by to be able to transport and sequester it. That sort of partnership with Oxy continues on being able to have that option to be able to sell them the CO2 for utilization in their enhanced oil recovery operations. I think there is a ton of optionality your customers are going to be able to get with NET Power projects.
Speaker #2: And that sort of partnership with Oxy continues on, being able to have that option to be able to sell them the CO2 for utilization in their enhanced oil recovery operations.
Speaker #2: So, I think there's a ton of optionality you're going to have. Your customers are going to be able to get that with NET Power projects. And that's really what we're designing this for—customer success—because the success of the customer is really going to dictate the success of our shareholders. And I think we certainly have those priorities straight today.
Danny Rice: That is really what we are designing this for is customer success, because the success of the customer is really going to dictate the success of our shareholders, and I think we certainly have those priorities straight today.
Danny Rice: That is really what we are designing this for is customer success, because the success of the customer is really going to dictate the success of our shareholders, and I think we certainly have those priorities straight today.
Speaker #1: Thank you. The next question is coming from Betty Jiang of Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question is coming from Betty Jiang of Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question is coming from Betty Jiang of Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Hi, good morning. Hey Danny. I just want to get a better sense, just given the strategy shift, how you're thinking about sizing the first project.
Betty Jiang: Hi. Good morning. Hey, Danny, I just want to get a better sense, just given the strategy shift, how you are thinking about sizing the first project. Because you could still do the initial design, but is there any appetite to do recip engines, like sort of things that we have seen from other companies in the space?
Betty Jiang: Hi. Good morning. Hey, Danny, I just want to get a better sense, just given the strategy shift, how you are thinking about sizing the first project. Because you could still do the initial design, but is there any appetite to do recip engines, like sort of things that we have seen from other companies in the space?
Speaker #3: Because you could still do the initial design, but is there any appetite to do recent engines—sort of things that we have seen from other companies in the space?
Speaker #2: Yeah, no, Betty, that's a great question. Yeah, we're looking at it, we're evaluating it, we're pursuing it. I think the nice thing with us—and hopefully the market has sort of understood this with us by now—we're fairly technology-agnostic.
Danny Rice: Yeah. No, Betty, that's a great question. We're looking at it. We're evaluating it. We're pursuing it. I think the nice thing with us, and hopefully the market sort of understands this with us by now, we're fairly technology agnostic. We originally started off on the oxy-combustion. I think one of the things we really learned is if you're sort of pigeonholed into a single technology with a single supply chain, it puts your business at risk. You lose so much flexibility to be able to adapt and capitalize on the market. I think we've really taken a step back because we think about just power generation as we think about power generation solutions. I think one of the key features of us is being very agnostic to give us as much flexibility as possible to design the right solution for what the customer needs.
Danny Rice: Yeah. No, Betty, that's a great question. We're looking at it. We're evaluating it. We're pursuing it. I think the nice thing with us, and hopefully the market sort of understands this with us by now, we're fairly technology agnostic. We originally started off on the oxy-combustion. I think one of the things we really learned is if you're sort of pigeonholed into a single technology with a single supply chain, it puts your business at risk. You lose so much flexibility to be able to adapt and capitalize on the market. I think we've really taken a step back because we think about just power generation as we think about power generation solutions. I think one of the key features of us is being very agnostic to give us as much flexibility as possible to design the right solution for what the customer needs.
Speaker #2: We originally started off on the Oxy combustion, and I think one of the things we really learned is if you're sort of pigeonholed into a single technology with a single supply chain, it puts your business at risk.
Speaker #2: You lose so much flexibility to be able to adapt and capitalize on the market. And so, I think we've really taken a step back as we think about just power generation— as we think about power generation solutions.
Speaker #2: I think one of the key features of us is being very agnostic, to give us as much flexibility as possible to design the right solution for what the customer needs.
Speaker #2: And so, yeah, and Marc kind of said it in his prepared remarks—as we think about just what this first project is going to look like, it's going to be a combination of turbines, recip engines, battery storage; it's going to be whatever enables us to deliver the lowest-cost, three-nines reliability for the customer on the timeline that they want.
Danny Rice: Yeah, Marc kind of said it in his prepared remarks, as we think about just what this first project's going to look like, it's going to be a combination of turbines, recips, battery storage. It's going to be whatever enables us to deliver the lowest cost, three nines reliability for the customer on the timeline that they want. So we're not beholden to any single OEM on the equipment. I think you're going to see us be very opportunistic and very creative with what these sort of projects look like. I think that's going to become one of the hallmarks of this company is our adaptive ability to be able to get the customer what they want. I think one of the key pieces that really makes that happen is us having this fundamental understanding of all things gas power generation.
Danny Rice: Yeah, Marc kind of said it in his prepared remarks, as we think about just what this first project's going to look like, it's going to be a combination of turbines, recips, battery storage. It's going to be whatever enables us to deliver the lowest cost, three nines reliability for the customer on the timeline that they want. So we're not beholden to any single OEM on the equipment. I think you're going to see us be very opportunistic and very creative with what these sort of projects look like. I think that's going to become one of the hallmarks of this company is our adaptive ability to be able to get the customer what they want. I think one of the key pieces that really makes that happen is us having this fundamental understanding of all things gas power generation.
Speaker #2: So we're not beholden to any single OEM. On the equipment, I think you're going to see us be very, very opportunistic and very creative with what these sort of projects look like.
Speaker #2: And I think that's going to become one of the hallmarks of this company—our adaptive ability to be able to get the customer what they want.
Speaker #2: And I think one of the key pieces that really makes that happen is us having this fundamental understanding of all things gas power generation.
Speaker #2: And I think that's I think that's probably one of the things that's underestimated about us is this company has spent the last decade working on probably one of the hardest, if not the hardest, technological challenges around gas power generation this Oxy combustion cycle.
Danny Rice: I think that's probably one of the things that's underestimated about us is this company has spent the last decade working on probably one of the hardest, if not the hardest technological challenges around gas power generation, this oxy-combustion cycle. So to be able to take folks that have historically come from a traditional gas power generation skill set, have spent the last 10 years working on the hardest technological challenges, and now going back to where they originally came from, the gas power generation, is a very easy, I would say, fairly easy transition back to the basics. So with that, we have this power generation acumen to be able to assess and understand the pros and cons of all potential power generation solutions to come up with the right one for the customers.
Danny Rice: I think that's probably one of the things that's underestimated about us is this company has spent the last decade working on probably one of the hardest, if not the hardest technological challenges around gas power generation, this oxy-combustion cycle. So to be able to take folks that have historically come from a traditional gas power generation skill set, have spent the last 10 years working on the hardest technological challenges, and now going back to where they originally came from, the gas power generation, is a very easy, I would say, fairly easy transition back to the basics. So with that, we have this power generation acumen to be able to assess and understand the pros and cons of all potential power generation solutions to come up with the right one for the customers.
Speaker #2: And so to be able to take folks that have historically come from a traditional gas power generation skill set, have spent the last 10 years working on the hardest technological challenges, and now are going back to where they originally came from—the gas power generation—is a very, very easy, I would say fairly easy, transition back to the basics.
Speaker #2: And so, with that, we kind of have this power generation acumen to be able to assess and understand the pros and cons of all potential power generation solutions to come up with the right one for the customers.
Speaker #2: And I think that sort of skill set and experience certainly has been resonating with the folks that we've been talking to recently.
Danny Rice: I think that sort of skill set and experience certainly has been resonating with the folks that we have been talking to recently.
Danny Rice: I think that sort of skill set and experience certainly has been resonating with the folks that we have been talking to recently.
Speaker #3: That's great, thank you. That's helpful. My follow-up: can you just speak to how you're thinking about the timing of this project, the first one? And I know there are negotiations ongoing, but just how do you think about deploying the initial deployment?
Betty Jiang: That is great. Thank you. That is helpful. My follow-up, can you just speak to how you are thinking about timing of this project, of first one, and I know there is negotiation ongoing, but just how you think about initial deployment. Then to tag onto that is the trade-off that we are seeing in the market where in order to de-risk the project and then come to an agreement, developers are being asked to front the CapEx and you have to pay money for lonely time items. So there is certain level of spending that is needed in order to de-risk enough to get to the final PPA agreement. Are you seeing that dynamic? Then for NET Power, what does it mean for you guys for your appetite to front the capital to get to a project?
Betty Jiang: That is great. Thank you. That is helpful. My follow-up, can you just speak to how you are thinking about timing of this project, of first one, and I know there is negotiation ongoing, but just how you think about initial deployment. Then to tag onto that is the trade-off that we are seeing in the market where in order to de-risk the project and then come to an agreement, developers are being asked to front the CapEx and you have to pay money for lonely time items. So there is certain level of spending that is needed in order to de-risk enough to get to the final PPA agreement. Are you seeing that dynamic? Then for NET Power, what does it mean for you guys for your appetite to front the capital to get to a project?
Speaker #3: And then tacked onto that is sort of the trade-off that we're seeing in the market, where in order to de-risk the project and come to an agreement, developers are being asked to front the CapEx, and you have to pay money for a long lead-time item.
Speaker #3: So, there's a certain level of spending that's needed in order to de-risk enough to get to the final PPA agreement. Are you seeing that dynamic?
Speaker #3: And then for NET Power, what does it mean for you guys in terms of your appetite to front the capital to get to a project?
Speaker #2: Yeah. I think it's a great question. It's one of the things that we kick around internally a lot is how do we put our capital how do we invest our capital without having too much of that capital at risk?
Danny Rice: Yeah, I think it is a great question. It is one of the things that we kick around internally a lot is how do we invest our capital without having too much of that capital at risk? I think that is one of the things that us having $300 million on the balance sheet affords us the patience to be able to come up with the right structure so that we do not have to put all of our capital at risk, and really toe the line on having too much of our dollars committed to equipment without having sort of a contract in hand. I think part of that is getting alignment with potential customers before you have secured equipment and trying to work out creative solutions to be able to secure the equipment. That is sort of what we are working on right now.
Danny Rice: Yeah, I think it is a great question. It is one of the things that we kick around internally a lot is how do we invest our capital without having too much of that capital at risk? I think that is one of the things that us having $300 million on the balance sheet affords us the patience to be able to come up with the right structure so that we do not have to put all of our capital at risk, and really toe the line on having too much of our dollars committed to equipment without having sort of a contract in hand. I think part of that is getting alignment with potential customers before you have secured equipment and trying to work out creative solutions to be able to secure the equipment. That is sort of what we are working on right now.
Speaker #2: And I think that's one of the things that us having $300 million on the balance sheet affords us—the patience to be able to come up with the right structures so that we don't have to put all of our capital at risk.
Speaker #2: And really toe the line on having too much of our dollars committed to equipment without having a contract in hand. I think part of that is getting alignment with potential customers before you've secured equipment and trying to work out creative solutions.
Speaker #2: To be able to secure the equipment. And that's sort of what we're working on right now. So I think we're going to be I think what you guys are going to see from us over the course of the next couple of months is a very thoughtful, pragmatic sort of approach to being able to secure the equipment for these projects without us having to really lean in on speculation any much more.
Danny Rice: I think what you guys are going to see from us over the course of the next couple of months is a very thoughtful, pragmatic sort of approach to being able to secure the equipment for these projects without us having to really lean in on speculation any much more. I think we have always tried to be very judicious around our spending. The most aggressive we have been has been securing those turbines last year, which I would say has ended up being a very economic decision just because the market for really all power generation equipment has just continued to go up. So that was sort of an accretive commitment on our part, we think.
Danny Rice: I think what you guys are going to see from us over the course of the next couple of months is a very thoughtful, pragmatic sort of approach to being able to secure the equipment for these projects without us having to really lean in on speculation any much more. I think we have always tried to be very judicious around our spending. The most aggressive we have been has been securing those turbines last year, which I would say has ended up being a very economic decision just because the market for really all power generation equipment has just continued to go up. So that was sort of an accretive commitment on our part, we think.
Speaker #2: I think we've always tried to be very judicious around our spending. The most aggressive we've been has been securing those turbines last year, which has ended up—I would say has ended up being a very economic decision, just because the market for really all power generation equipment has just continued to go up.
Speaker #2: So, that was sort of an accretive commitment on our part, we think. But as we think about securing more equipment, I think it's really going to be done in concert with a potential customer and working out a creative solution to be able to help finance the acquisition of it.
Danny Rice: But as we think about securing more equipment, I think it is really going to be done in concert with a potential customer and working out a creative solution to be able to help finance the acquisition of it. More to come there, Betty, but I think what you will really see from us is we are going to be very thoughtful and pragmatic about how we put more capital at risk.
Danny Rice: But as we think about securing more equipment, I think it is really going to be done in concert with a potential customer and working out a creative solution to be able to help finance the acquisition of it. More to come there, Betty, but I think what you will really see from us is we are going to be very thoughtful and pragmatic about how we put more capital at risk.
Speaker #2: So more to come there, Betty, but I think what you'll really see from us is we're going to be very, very thoughtful and pragmatic about how we put more capital at risk.
Speaker #3: Okay, great. That makes sense. Thank you.
Betty Jiang: Okay, great. That makes sense. Thank you.
Betty Jiang: Okay, great. That makes sense. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yep.
Danny Rice: Yep.
Danny Rice: Yep.
Speaker #1: Thank you. The next question is coming from Wade Suki of Capital One. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question is coming from Wade Suki of Capital One. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question is coming from Wade Suki of Capital One. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Good morning, everyone. Appreciate y'all taking my questions. Today, just maybe to sort of dovetail off some of the previous questions, I'm just curious if—and how—possible conversations are going with potential partners. How are you guys exploring potentially bringing in someone else to help develop, or fund, or whatever.
Wade Suki: Good morning, everyone. Appreciate you all taking my questions today. Just maybe to sort of dovetail off some of the previous questions, just curious if and how possible conversations are going with potential partners, how you guys are exploring potentially bringing in someone else to help develop or fund or whatever, how those kinds of conversations might be progressing, if at all. Then any update on costs would be helpful. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Wade Suki: Good morning, everyone. Appreciate you all taking my questions today. Just maybe to sort of dovetail off some of the previous questions, just curious if and how possible conversations are going with potential partners, how you guys are exploring potentially bringing in someone else to help develop or fund or whatever, how those kinds of conversations might be progressing, if at all. Then any update on costs would be helpful. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker #4: How those kinds of conversations might be progressing, if at all. And then any update on costs would be helpful. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker #2: Yep. I mean, so on the second point, I think the cost thing is really going to be a function around what the ultimate project profile is going to look like, in terms of generation solutions.
Danny Rice: Yep. On the second point, I think the cost thing is really going to be a function around what the ultimate project profile is going to look like in terms of generation solutions. I think as everybody sees, the cost of equipment just continues to rise because the market is still tight. That is not really a surprise to anybody. For us on the project side, it is really just making sure that the PPA price delivers a commensurate sort of return for that capital invested and the operating cost associated with operating that facility. I think on your first point, I think we are in a very unique position where we possess sufficient capital to move this project along. I think at the end of the day, I think we are going to be very humble about what our skill sets are.
Danny Rice: Yep. On the second point, I think the cost thing is really going to be a function around what the ultimate project profile is going to look like in terms of generation solutions. I think as everybody sees, the cost of equipment just continues to rise because the market is still tight. That is not really a surprise to anybody. For us on the project side, it is really just making sure that the PPA price delivers a commensurate sort of return for that capital invested and the operating cost associated with operating that facility. I think on your first point, I think we are in a very unique position where we possess sufficient capital to move this project along. I think at the end of the day, I think we are going to be very humble about what our skill sets are.
Speaker #2: I think, as everybody sees, the cost of equipment just continues to rise because the market's still tight. So that's not really a surprise to anybody.
Speaker #2: And so, for us on the project side, it's really just making sure that the PPA price delivers a commensurate sort of return for that capital invested and the operating costs associated with operating that facility.
Speaker #2: I think on your first point, I think we're in a very unique position where we possess sufficient capital to move this project along. I think at the end of the day, I think we're going to be very, very humble about what our skill sets are.
Speaker #2: I think companies can get into trouble when they bite off more than they can chew. And so, for us, it's really making sure that, at the end of the day, we want to make sure that this project is successful.
Danny Rice: I think companies can get into trouble where they bite off more than they can chew. I think for us, it is really making sure that at the end of the day, we want to make sure that this project is successful. I think we certainly possess the skill set and the confidence to be able to do this alone. But is that ultimately what is going to enable us to scale this thing up to achieve the full potential of what these projects could be in West Texas? Because I think the way we kind of think about it is success for this first project leads to a second project and leads to a third project and leads to a fourth project.
Danny Rice: I think companies can get into trouble where they bite off more than they can chew. I think for us, it is really making sure that at the end of the day, we want to make sure that this project is successful. I think we certainly possess the skill set and the confidence to be able to do this alone. But is that ultimately what is going to enable us to scale this thing up to achieve the full potential of what these projects could be in West Texas? Because I think the way we kind of think about it is success for this first project leads to a second project and leads to a third project and leads to a fourth project.
Speaker #2: I think we certainly possess the skill set and the confidence to be able to do this, enabling us to scale this thing up to achieve the full potential of what these projects could be in West Texas.
Speaker #2: Because I think the way we kind of think about it is success for this first project leads to a second project would lead and leads to a third project, and leads to a fourth project.
Speaker #2: And so being able to really improve the confidence and success of that first project if that means bringing in other strategic partners to really complement our skill sets, then we definitely will.
Danny Rice: Being able to really improve the confidence and success of that first project, if that means bringing in other strategic partners to really complement our skill sets, then we definitely will. We started to head down that path with Entropy on the PCC piece. I think we have demonstrated if there are folks out there that have skill sets that are additive to ours and just make the project better, we will definitely want to bring them to the table. But we are sitting here today with a great skill set, with a great foundation that we can build from, and we have sort of a little bit of time and patience and certainly the capital on our balance sheet that we should be able to get pretty far doing it alone. We will certainly report back to everybody as that continues to evolve.
Danny Rice: Being able to really improve the confidence and success of that first project, if that means bringing in other strategic partners to really complement our skill sets, then we definitely will. We started to head down that path with Entropy on the PCC piece. I think we have demonstrated if there are folks out there that have skill sets that are additive to ours and just make the project better, we will definitely want to bring them to the table. But we are sitting here today with a great skill set, with a great foundation that we can build from, and we have sort of a little bit of time and patience and certainly the capital on our balance sheet that we should be able to get pretty far doing it alone. We will certainly report back to everybody as that continues to evolve.
Speaker #2: We started to head down that path with Entropy, on the PCC piece. So I think we've demonstrated, if there are folks out there that have skill sets that are additive to ours and just make the project better, we will definitely want to bring them to the table.
Speaker #2: But we're sitting here today with a great skill set, with a great foundation that we can build from. And we have a little bit of time and patience, and certainly the capital on our balance sheet, that we should be able to get pretty far doing it alone.
Speaker #2: So we'll certainly report back to everybody as that continues to evolve. But I think with where we are today and what we know good looks like, we're in a fairly good place just continuing to go it alone in partnership with Oxy on the land side.
Danny Rice: But I think with where we are today and what we know good looks like, we are in a fairly good place just continuing to go it alone in partnership with Oxy on the land side.
Danny Rice: But I think with where we are today and what we know good looks like, we are in a fairly good place just continuing to go it alone in partnership with Oxy on the land side.
Speaker #4: Got it. Appreciate that. Just kind of one technical question. I guess if I could. Just on the entropy kind of related conversation. Just thinking about the technology.
Wade Suki: Got it. Appreciate that. Just kind of one technical question, I guess, if I could. Just on the Entropy kind of related conversation. Just thinking about the technology, I was sort of under the impression that was something that sort of needed to be integrated with the facility during the build. But is the technology, I guess, capable for retrofit later once or are there other potential technologies that you are looking at as well?
Wade Suki: Got it. Appreciate that. Just kind of one technical question, I guess, if I could. Just on the Entropy kind of related conversation. Just thinking about the technology, I was sort of under the impression that was something that sort of needed to be integrated with the facility during the build. But is the technology, I guess, capable for retrofit later once or are there other potential technologies that you are looking at as well?
Speaker #4: I was sort of under the impression that was something that sort of needed to be integrated with the facility during the build. But is the technology, I guess, capable of retrofit later, or are there other potential technologies that you're looking at as well?
Speaker #2: No, it's—yeah. I mean, Marc, if you want to take that one, that would be great.
Danny Rice: No, it is. Yeah, I mean, Marc, if you want to take that one, that would be great.
Danny Rice: No, it is. Yeah, I mean, Marc, if you want to take that one, that would be great.
Speaker #4: Yeah, that's fine. Hi, Wade, Mark here. With respect to the technology, and especially around entropy, but also in general with the PCC, the post-combustion capture, it does need to be integrated, but it's not integrated to the point where it prevents you from adding it on as a second step.
Marc Horstman: Yeah, that is fine.
Marc Horstman: Yeah, that is fine.
Danny Rice: I think you.
Danny Rice: I think you.
David Brown: Thanks, Danny. Hi, Wade.
Marc Horstman: Thanks, Danny. Hi, Wade.
Marc Horstman: Yep.
Danny Rice: Yep.
Marc Horstman: Marc here. With respect to the technology, especially around Entropy, but also in general with the PCC, the post-combustion capture, it does need to be integrated, but it is not integrated to the point where it prevents you from adding it on as a second step. It actually goes quite well with the current strategy from the standpoint of the power mix that we end up with, most likely, putting that power mix in the simple cycle. Then depending upon, call it the ramp up that Danny was mentioning earlier on what that drives, you could either bring it in a combined cycle for the benefits of the power, or you could also bring it into a combined cycle configuration at the same time of adding the post-combustion capture as well.
Marc Horstman: Marc here. With respect to the technology, especially around Entropy, but also in general with the PCC, the post-combustion capture, it does need to be integrated, but it is not integrated to the point where it prevents you from adding it on as a second step. It actually goes quite well with the current strategy from the standpoint of the power mix that we end up with, most likely, putting that power mix in the simple cycle. Then depending upon, call it the ramp up that Danny was mentioning earlier on what that drives, you could either bring it in a combined cycle for the benefits of the power, or you could also bring it into a combined cycle configuration at the same time of adding the post-combustion capture as well.
Speaker #4: So it actually goes quite well with the current strategy from the standpoint of the power mix that we end up with, most likely putting that power mix into simple cycle.
Speaker #4: And then depending upon call it the ramp-up that Danny was mentioning earlier, on what that drives, you could either bring it in a combined cycle for the benefits of the power or you could also bring it into a combined cycle configuration at the same time of adding the post-combustion capture as well.
Speaker #4: So I think that, as we've looked at what we've learned over these last six or seven months with the Entropy team, the Entropy team has been great.
Marc Horstman: I think that, as we have looked at what we have learned over this last six, seven months with the Entropy team, the Entropy team has been great, and it has been able to, going back to some of Danny's prerecorded comments from the standpoint of, or the remarks from the standpoint of understanding that post-combustion capture element, understanding what that total plant looks like. As we look at the layout of the power now, having that in mind allows us to lay out to where we really have a legitimate path forward on providing the clean energy that we think folks are going to want in the future.
Marc Horstman: I think that, as we have looked at what we have learned over this last six, seven months with the Entropy team, the Entropy team has been great, and it has been able to, going back to some of Danny's prerecorded comments from the standpoint of, or the remarks from the standpoint of understanding that post-combustion capture element, understanding what that total plant looks like. As we look at the layout of the power now, having that in mind allows us to lay out to where we really have a legitimate path forward on providing the clean energy that we think folks are going to want in the future.
Speaker #4: And it's being able to going back to some of Danny's prerecorded comments from the standpoint of or the remarks from the standpoint of understanding that post-combustion capture element, understanding what that total plant looks like.
Speaker #4: So as we look at the layout of the power now, having that in mind allows us to lay out where we really have a legitimate path forward on providing the clean energy that we think folks are going to want in the future.
Speaker #1: Thank you. This brings us to the end of the Q&A session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Rice for closing comments.
Operator: Thank you. This brings us to the end of the Q&A session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Rice for closing comments.
Operator: Thank you. This brings us to the end of the Q&A session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Rice for closing comments.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thanks, everybody. We appreciate the questions from everyone. I know there's a lot to digest on this update. So I kind of want to leave you all with three things.
Danny Rice: Okay. Thanks, everybody. We appreciate the questions from everyone. I know there is a lot to digest on this update, so I want to leave you all with three things. First, this for us is really, it is a change in sequencing, not a change in conviction. We are building unabated power first because that is what the market is telling us it will pay for today on the timeline that it needs. Carbon capture, it remains the long-term destination. The Entropy relationship, the Oxy EOR pathway, the site design itself all preserves that option. We are not walking away from it. We are just being honest about when it gets built. Second, I think this makes us more investable, not less. A contracted natural gas plant with a creditworthy offtaker is one of the most financeable assets in infrastructure, and that is the asset we are building toward as fast as we can.
Danny Rice: Okay. Thanks, everybody. We appreciate the questions from everyone. I know there is a lot to digest on this update, so I want to leave you all with three things. First, this for us is really, it is a change in sequencing, not a change in conviction. We are building unabated power first because that is what the market is telling us it will pay for today on the timeline that it needs. Carbon capture, it remains the long-term destination. The Entropy relationship, the Oxy EOR pathway, the site design itself all preserves that option. We are not walking away from it. We are just being honest about when it gets built. Second, I think this makes us more investable, not less.
Speaker #2: First, this for us is really it's a change in sequencing, not a change in conviction. We're building unabated power first because that's what the market's telling us it will pay for today.
Speaker #2: On the timeline that it needs carbon capture, it remains the long-term destination. The entropy relationship, the Oxy EOR pathway, the site design itself, all preserve that option.
Speaker #2: So, we're not walking away from it. We're just being honest about when it gets built. Second, I think this makes us more investable, not less.
Speaker #2: A contracted natural gas plant with a creditworthy offtaker is one of the most financeable assets and infrastructure. And that's the asset where building toward is fast as we can.
Danny Rice: A contracted natural gas plant with a creditworthy offtaker is one of the most financeable assets in infrastructure, and that is the asset we are building toward as fast as we can.
Speaker #2: And third, patience here is a feature. It's not a bug. And Lee laid it out that we have a balance sheet that lets us run a disciplined commercial process instead of a rushed one.
Danny Rice: Third, patience here is a feature. It is not a bug. Leah laid it out that we have a balance sheet that lets us run a disciplined commercial process instead of a rushed one. We would rather take the time to get the right offtaker and the right structure than force a deal that does not hold up. We know the market will judge us on execution from here, and that is the right standard. We look forward to updating you as these conversations progress. Thank you again for joining us this morning, and thanks for your continued interest in NET Power. Have a good day.
Danny Rice: Third, patience here is a feature. It is not a bug. Leah laid it out that we have a balance sheet that lets us run a disciplined commercial process instead of a rushed one. We would rather take the time to get the right offtaker and the right structure than force a deal that does not hold up. We know the market will judge us on execution from here, and that is the right standard. We look forward to updating you as these conversations progress. Thank you again for joining us this morning, and thanks for your continued interest in NET Power. Have a good day.
Speaker #2: We'd rather take the time to get the right offtaker and the right structure than force a deal that doesn't hold up. So we know the market will judge us on execution from here.
Speaker #2: And that's the right standard. So we look forward to updating you as these conversations progress. So thank you again for joining us this morning.
Speaker #2: And thanks for your continued interest in NET Power. Have a good day.
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