Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Good morning, My name is Andrew and I will be your conference operator today.
At this time I would like to welcome everyone to Energizer is third quarter fiscal 2019 conference call.
After the speakers remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
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I would now like to turn the conference over to Jackie Burwitz, Vice President Investor Relations you May begin your conference.
Good morning, and thank you for joining with me. This morning are Alan Huh.
Chief Executive Officer, Mark Levine, Chief operating Officer, and Tim Gorman, Chief Financial Officer. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay via the Investor Relations section of our website Energizer holdings Dot com.
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These risks may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements. We do not undertake to update these forward looking statements.
With that I would like to turn the call over to Alan.
Thanks, Jackie and good morning, everyone.
During the quarter, we made great progress on transforming energizer into a global diversified household products leader.
Our combined battery and lighting business, which represents approximately 80% of our topline.
This strong and operating well.
In auto care, we have been focused on stabilizing the date facility and are nearing successful completion of that project.
We are now focused on plans for innovation and brand building that will drive future growth.
The combination of these businesses positions us well to drive long term shareholder value by delivering strong EBITDA and free cash flow growth.
Our third quarter results reflect the strong health of the battery in auto care categories. The strength of our brands robust growth within our combined battery and lighting business.
Weather related challenges in our refrigerant business, our commitment to cost management.
And significant progress on our integration.
As we look ahead to the balance of the year, we remain on track to deliver our full year 2019 outlook for adjusted earnings per share EBITDA and free cash flow all while continuing to integrate realized synergies and invest in our new businesses to build momentum to drive future growth.
First and most importantly in the quarter, we extended our track record of consistent growth in our legacy business behind our strategic priorities, leading with innovation.
Operating with excellence and driving productivity.
We delivered strong organic sales growth of 3.6% behind pricing and distribution gains.
Turning to the acquisitions.
The strategic rationale for both is stronger than ever.
In the acquired battery business, we've seen incremental wins by leveraging our broader portfolio, which are driving improved trends.
We are just beginning to utilize our combined global supply chain manufacturing base that are already seeing the benefits of the scale and flexibility.
In the acquired Autocare business, the core appearance business delivered year over year growth in the quarter behind the overall brand that was more than offset by weather related declines in tight year over year inventory management from our customers in our refrigerant business.
The refrigerant category was negatively impacted as the US continued to experience prolonged unseasonably cool and wet weather versus unseasonably hot weather than the prior year.
The current year weather trends reversed in July with hot weather across most of the U.S.
We are now seeing strong sell through but given the late start to the season, we do not expect to be able to make up the difference in the fiscal year.
Recall that our refrigeration business is predominantly in the us where we have over 60% share, making us more prone to weather impacts.
As you May recall, our first priority in the auto care acquisition was to ensure we operated with excellence and met our customers' needs throughout the peak selling season.
As a result, we prioritize the stabilization of the date facility to ensure we met customer service level expectations.
And thanks to the hard work of our Dayton team the facility performed well with average fill rates of approximately 99%.
Now that we have ensured operational excellence, we can turn our attention to reinvigorating the innovation pipeline to deliver topline growth and drive margin improvements going forward as we execute a clear set of initiatives.
As we look ahead, we have confidence in the long term health of the auto care category and the strength of our brands.
Our core strategies will allow us to drive growth and efficiencies in the business into the future.
Our game plan is simple first we will lead with innovation supported by Smart brand building investments to drive long term growth and consumer connections to our products.
Second we will execute with excellence by focusing on and investing in core category fundamentals, such as visibility distribution and revenue management to drive growth in our brands and create value in our categories.
We will also drive incremental growth through our global distribution footprint.
And finally, we will drive productivity gains to reduce costs and maximize efficiency to ensure we have adequate reinvestment in our business to deliver future growth.
Beyond the excellent work in Dayton, we made tremendous progress integrating our two new businesses in the quarter and have completed several important milestones with minimal disruption.
Coupled with that tremendous progress we have also been able to over deliver on our synergy expectations.
We achieved synergy benefits of $5 million in the quarter tracking ahead of our original synergy target for 2019.
In addition, we have uncovered significant incremental opportunities and are raising our total synergy target to approximately $100 million that will drop to the bottom line by the end of the first three years of ownership.
This is up approximately $25 million from the original three year targets.
Even more promising is that we also expect to deliver incremental synergies above the $100 million target.
And we will reinvest those back into the business in support of innovation and brand building activities to drive growth and profitability over the long term.
We expect the initial investments will be primarily focused on our combined autocare business, where innovation and brand building have been limited and are confident that there will be significant return on those investments as we greatly improve the consumer focused innovation and branding across the portfolio.
This should sound like a familiar playbook. It is the same plan we executed after our separation and we are confident that these increased investments will achieve similar if not greater benefits than what we achieved in our legacy battery business, which resulted in expanded distribution increased value share and most importantly organic growth with margin expansion.
These acquired businesses are in categories and retailers, we know well and we have plans to leverage our existing capabilities, improving operating expertise to drive profitable topline growth and enhanced margins across our expanded platform.
We will continue to generate stable organic growth in our legacy business and realize significant synergies, which will enable steady debt reduction and a meaningful dividend.
When you combine those attributes with the ability to invest behind our newly acquired businesses. We have a solid foundation for delivering shareholder value for the years to come.
With that I'd like to turn the call over to Mark for a deeper dive into our initiatives integration activity and an update on the divestiture of the BARDA business Mark.
Thank you Alan and good morning, everyone I'm going to first review the performance of our categories.
And then provide insights into our business performance the status of our integration efforts and finally our divestiture.
Starting with our largest category.
Global battery was down slightly with value down four tenths of a percent as declines in the performance Outland segment.
Were partially offset by growth in the price alkaline and specialty batteries.
Energizer is combined battery business outperformed the category.
Up a half a share point to 40.9%.
This share performance was driven by increased distribution as we leveraged our broader portfolio now anchored by the Energizer and rayovac brands.
We were also able to implement pricing actions across several markets, most notably in the us on Energizer, Max and ultimate lithium.
In the US we saw ecommerce battery category growth slowed significantly compared to what we have seen in recent periods. Once again energizer continues to outpace category growth online and we remain the overall us market share leader in this channel.
We're also seeing an early indication of what we were able to do with our combined battery portfolio.
By using our combined ecommerce expertise, we have significantly improved Rev. Ex online presence and during the last three months rayovac was the fastest growing battery brand online growing at 35%, which is well beyond the category growth rate of 4%.
Ecommerce provides an early example of what the combined force of the organizations can achieve.
Across all channels, including ecommerce that promotional and pricing environment continues to be stable.
We have seen the depth of promotions decline as retailer ads have focused more on full price products.
In addition pricing actions taken in the us in certain international markets have driven upside in the back half of the June quarter with expected benefits to continue over the next 12 months.
Turning to the auto category. It was up nearly 2% with strong growth in most segments offset by weather related declines in the refrigerant category.
Our total value share in the category declined 1.6 points to 21.6% driven by weak refrigerant sales and competitive activity in other segments.
As Alan discussed weather was a significant headwind in the category overall and disproportionately impacts our business due to our strong share in refrigerants.
We have seen hotter weather beginning in July and sales have rebounded, but given the late start to the season, we do not expect to make up the full amount of the shortfall.
Pricing and promotion in the auto care category trended positively in the quarter with both category and Energizer price per units up across all segments other than refrigerants.
Despite the weather impact this year and after six months of ownership. We are even more excited about the opportunities we have in the auto care category.
Three of the four sub segments in which we compete appearance fragrance and performance chemicals have healthy growth rates and respond well to innovation.
Even with the refrigerant segment being negatively impacted by the weather this quarter, we have a strong and growing share base.
We have clear plans to invest behind our iconic brands in these categories and drive future growth.
In addition, we know that we can drive further efficiencies in Dayton now that we have the facility operating with service levels in the high Ninetys.
Going forward, we will focus on continuous improvement in key areas, including driving line efficiencies to optimize production runs driving labor efficiencies optimizing distribution and improving inventory management.
Moving on to business performance.
As Alan referenced our results come from a simple formula we lead with innovation, we operate with excellence and we drive productivity in all of our categories.
First leading with innovation.
Our new Energizer visual identity and packaging refresh started showing up on shelf this quarter.
This new packaging, which has been rolled out globally will connect with consumers through a clear and impactful visual identity.
We expect this connection will drive greater velocity for all of our products.
While you are most familiar with our innovation in the battery category, we have the need even greater opportunity in auto care.
Those efforts are underway.
And as we mentioned shortly after we announced the transaction we feel that we can infuse significant incremental innovation into the pipeline, particularly now that we can leverage these ideas with iconic brands like armor, all and STP, we will have much more to come on that on future calls.
Second operating with excellence, our operational excellence in batteries is second to none.
Our deep category expertise in store execution and supply chain excellence are just a few of the things, we do which make us the category partner of choice for our retailers.
Combining platforms with the rayovac assets will enable us to take that to the next level.
With an expanded footprint in the us we can truly maximize operational efficiencies to meet or even better exceed our customers expectations.
Now, we can turn that expertise toward auto care, where we acquired scale us based manufacturing capabilities, we didnt have before.
The significant operational improvements in the Dayton facility are just the beginning of what we can do.
These operating improvements, which have already been accomplished were all achieved while staying laser focused on service levels.
Looking ahead as we began to exit the peak season, we will be engaging in a series of continuous improvement exercises to enhance the efficiency of the Dayton facility in 2020 and 2021.
We expect healthy gross margin expansion on a year over year basis for the next several years.
And finally, our greatest opportunity is to drive productivity over the next couple of years through our integration efforts as Alan mentioned, we are updating our expected run rate synergies to approximately a $100 million, which will be fully realized an operating profit by the end of the third year of ownership.
Separately, we expect to have additional synergies, which we believe are in excess of $10 million and our intention is to reinvest those amounts in support of innovation and brand building activities. We have a high degree of confidence in achieving these synergies, which when reinvested.
Should drive growth and profitability over the long term.
We expect to exit the year with run rate savings ahead of our original plan.
And we will continue to push the organization to uncover any and all synergy opportunities.
As we have mentioned since the close we will remain focused first on the stability in the businesses and minimizing any customer disruption.
It is a credit to the teams that they have been able to operate with excellence and minimize any customer disruption all while over delivering the synergies we expected.
With the combined impact of leading with innovation and operating with excellence. Our sales forces will deliver more the teams have identified and implemented numerous cross selling opportunities by leveraging the power.
Of our Energizer and rayovac portfolios.
Over the long term, we see significant upside in leveraging our rayovac value brands in conjunction with our premium Energizer brand as part of our multi brand strategy across our global markets.
As we have discussed previously we will leverage the brand that resonates the most.
With consumers in each market between Energizer, rayovac eveready or BARDA.
We really like the Optionality. This provides us in auto care, we have recently been awarded additional category Captaincies.
At major retailers, a clear vote of confidence for what our combined team can bring to this space.
Turning to core integration activities.
Our integration program has now shifted from stabilization and planning to execution.
We have firm plans in place to integrate all three businesses together in a way, which captures the synergies we updated today and will drive future growth.
Recently, we completed two major milestones on systems integration, both of which went very smoothly.
These are the first steps that will eventually allow us to exit transition service agreements and reduce costs.
These systems integrations were successfully completed with minimal disruption and we remain on track across all remaining integration work streams.
And briefly on the divestiture process of the Varda business in late May we announced an agreement to sell the Europe based Florida consumer battery business.
For $400 million, our expectation now is to receive regulatory approval and close the transaction by the end of the calendar year.
Looking ahead, we believe that we have all the pieces in place to execute seamless integration and to drive improved performance with attractive growth opportunities across our expanded portfolio of leading brands.
With that I will turn it over to Tim.
Thanks, Mark and good morning, everyone.
In 2019, we are delivering on our outlook for adjusted EBITDA free cash flow and for earnings per share.
EBITDA and free cash flow are the primary focus for our organization.
And enable us to deliver value for our shareholders.
Our relentless focus on strong cost management and the acceleration of synergies benefited us in the quarter and we expect it will continue over the balance of the year.
We are reconfirming our outlook for the following metrics for 2019.
Adjusted EBITDA in the range of $540 million to $560 million.
Adjusted free cash flow to be in the range of $220 million to $250 million and adjusted EPS to be between $2.90 and $3.
2019 is both a transformative and transitional year for Energizer.
As we close two transformative transactions in January .
Here are the key takeaways at this point in the year.
Our core business is strong and growing.
Acquired battery business is improving.
Synergy expectations are growing and accelerating.
And the integration is progressing smoothly.
Auto care operations in Dayton, our stabilized with sustained service levels in the high Ninetys.
It is important to call out that we also experienced softness in our Autocare business, which was challenged by weather and increased competition.
We expect this to negatively impact our full year expectation for auto care sales by approximately $40 million.
As you recall in auto care, our first priority was to stabilize the Dayton facility.
With the operational performance improved and customer service levels high we can now direct our attention to investing in incremental innovation and brand building activities.
We are now six months end.
We are already seeing the beginning of a three year period of meaningful value creation.
Through cost rationalization from our recent acquisitions.
By the end of the third quarter, we had already delivered over 5 million in synergies.
And we expect to more than double our synergy estimate for the first full year of ownership.
And this is just the beginning.
Behind significant work done on operational efficiencies across the combined business that Alan and Mark discussed earlier, we are now projecting overall realized synergies to be approximately a $100 million in the first three years of ownership.
Which will benefit our bottom line results.
Now, let's walk through the results for the third quarter of 2019 in more detail.
We have also posted slides on our website to provide greater detail on the third quarter results and our updated outlook.
Starting with the results for the current quarter adjusted EBITDA.
Was $127 million, increasing to $380 million year to date.
Our adjusted free cash flow increased $37 million from the second quarter to $138 million year to date.
Adjusted earnings per share from continuing operations was 37 cents compared to 54 cents in the prior year third quarter.
The current quarter was negatively impacted by weather effects on our AC pro refrigerant business, which reduced earnings per share by 10 cents.
And an additional five cents was due to a change in the allocation of interests between continuing operations and discontinued operations, reflecting the lower part of valuation.
Improved cost efficiencies and synergies were able to partially offset these impacts.
Net sales on a reported basis for the quarter was $647 million.
$254 million inclusive of the net sales contributed by the acquired businesses.
Importantly, organic sales were up 3.6%, primarily as a result of the strength in our battery business, reflecting pricing action and distribution gains.
Which more than offset the currency headwinds of $7.4 million or 1.9%.
Looking quickly at net sales activity by geographic segment.
America's net sales increased to $465 million up 93% and reflected organic sales growth of 3%.
In an international net sales increased to $182 million up 20%, including organic sales growth of 4.6%.
The organic net sales growth in both segments was driven by increased pricing and distribution gains.
Our adjusted gross margin rate for the third quarter was 40%.
Largely driven by lower margin profile of the acquired businesses.
We did see improvements in the adjusted gross margin rate in our legacy business, excluding the negative impacts of currency.
SGN eight excluding acquisition and integration costs was 17.4% of net sales.
Which included a 240 basis point improvement from the prior year in our legacy business.
We continue to drive cost efficiencies and synergies across our combined businesses.
Moving forward, we expect additional favorability in SSG and eight as we continue to realize synergies from the acquisitions.
Now turning to the acquired businesses.
The acquired battery business contributed net sales of $109 million, representing a quarterly sequential improvement in trend as we anniversary its shelf space changes in the prior year.
The current quarter was also impacted by unfavorable currency headwinds.
We expect battery net sales to turn slightly positive compared to the prior year and the upcoming fourth quarter due to increased display activity.
Acquired Autocare contributed net sales of $136 million for the quarter.
The results in the quarter were negatively impacted in large part due to the performance in our refrigerant business, where we exited unprofitable private label business and experienced negative impacts from weather and in performance care chemicals due to share losses.
Quantifying the declines in the refrigerant business.
Approximately $25 million was weather related and $30 million was from the private label exit.
In terms of weather trends are improving now that warmer weather has arrived.
But we do not expect to make up the full difference over the balance of the year due to the shortened season.
As we look at capital allocation.
We remain confident in our overall strategy will deliver shareholder value.
Through a balanced approach to capital allocation fueled by our strong free cash flow generation from our combined businesses.
During the quarter, we continued to invest in our businesses through innovation and brand building activities.
Hey, down $35 million in debt and remain on track to achieve a 4.7 times net leverage ratio by the end of the first quarter of 2020, reflecting the timing of the Varda closing.
Paid our quarterly common dividend of $21 million and preferred dividend of $4 million.
And we also repurchased approximately 1 million shares at $45 million to offset dilution.
We are confident in the strength of our balance sheet, which provides energizer with the appropriate base from which we can prudently manage our business.
Lastly, I would like to turn to our updated outlook for 2019.
In 2020.
First a night 2019, we are reaffirming our outlook for adjusted earnings per share from continuing operations EBITDA and free cash flow.
This outlook does not assume any benefit from storm activity over the balance of the year, which is difficult to predict and would be incremental to our outlook for the current year.
We are confident in our ability to achieve our full year outlook. Despite challenges in the acquired Autocare business.
Due to our team's great work in identifying opportunities across all businesses to improve operating efficiencies and reduce costs.
Reflecting the challenge net sales performance in the acquired Autocare business, particularly in the refrigerant sub category in the third quarter and the modest declines in the acquired battery business due in part to expected distribution losses, and an incremental impacts of currency headwinds.
We are revising our full year net sales outlook as follows.
Total global net sales on a reported basis to be in the range of $2.48 billion to $2.5 billion.
Acquired auto care net sales to be in the range of $310 million to $320 million.
And acquired battery net sales to be at the low end of our previously guided range of $350 million to $370 million.
Our outlook for the legacy business remains unchanged from the previous outlook with organic net sales growth.
Expected to be in the range of 3% to 3.5%.
Foreign currency headwinds to be in the range of 1.5% to 2% and our team Argentina is negative highly inflationary impact of 30 basis points.
Our gross margin at rate improves the midpoint of our range by 70 basis points to be in the range of 42.5% to 42.9%.
Interest expense for the full year.
It is now expected to be approximately $160 million, reflecting a revision in the purchase accounting allocation of interest between continuing and discontinued operations. This change in allocation is driven by the var evaluation.
We expect this impact to carry over to 2020 as the divestiture is now expected to occur in the first quarter.
The remainder of the outlook provided in our second quarter earnings release remains unchanged from our prior outlook.
Now turning to the outlook for 2020.
As we noted in our earnings release this morning.
We are currently in the midst of our annual planning process.
As such.
We are not reconfirming our outlook for 2020.
The battery and lighting business, which represents approximately 80% of our total business is stable and growing and we would expect our outlook for 2020 would be in line with our prior outlook.
However, based upon the revised Autocare outlook for 2019.
We will be revising our outlook for auto care sales to be in the range of $510 million to $525 million.
We also expect the marginal impact of these lower sales to flow through to our adjusted EBITDA free cash flow and earnings per share.
Offset impart by approximately $10 million to $12 million of increased synergy benefits.
We will provide a full updated guidance for 2020 during our fourth quarter earnings release.
Now I would like to turn the call back over to Allen for closing remarks.
Thanks, Tim before we open it up for questions I want to thank our colleagues around the globe for their continued hard work as we continue executing our integration plan and providing industry leadership in our respective categories.
We are successfully executing on our key initiatives as we transform the company.
Our battery business at both legacy and recently acquired is stronger than ever.
And continues to be a source of future growth.
We are invigorated by our excellent stabilization efforts in auto care and remain confident that we can bring these brands to their full potential with careful and considered investment.
In growth and brand building.
We remain as confident as ever in our ability to achieve the full synergy benefits of our acquisition and the next three full years, which will enable us to continue to reinvest in our business and brands for long term growth.
Generate strong and rapidly growing free cash flows and EBITDA.
Quickly de lever as we target of 4.7 times net leverage ratio on closing the var to transaction.
And pursue a balanced approach to capital allocation.
With these combined businesses Energizer is now better positioned to execute on its strategy to deliver long term shareholder value.
With that I would now like to turn it over to the operator, who will open up the line for questions.
We will now begin the question and answer session.
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The first question comes from Bill Chappell of Suntrust. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Good morning.
Good morning Bill.
With the understanding that it's a journey can you maybe help us understand the auto care guidance going in for the bridge from 2019 to 2020 and just.
But does that if its weather related.
Unless you're.
Expecting some kind of weather change into next year, just trying understand why sales would come down.
Phil.
It's a great question and bear with me, because I'm going to give a little bit more detail and color than <unk>.
I might otherwise just because I think this is an important question and one where I think we can provide more more detail around the update there were a number of factors, which caused us to change the guidance on the auto care business for the balance of 19, the first and biggest reason behind it was the weather.
That was the largest contributing factor, we had a unseasonably cool and wet spring and early summer seasons.
And this was against a comp last year, which is which had an.
Historically hot and actually equally important early hitting summer season.
And so we attribute about $19 million to $20 million about half of the change in the guidance to that impact. This this is both a direct result of lower Pos at retail, but then also some inventory in promotional focus that we saw from our retailers in response to the weather that was hitting.
The next factor is the international distributor network.
The international growth forecast was too aggressive frankly, and given the distributor load in advance of a price increase which hit in early fiscal 19 as well as there was another load right before the closing of the transaction the distributors entered.
Our ownership with a fairly heavy inventory load and that's a significant portion of that there was also some competitive activity and minor transition disruption, but the bulk of the issue came from the inventory levels.
And that accounts for about $11 million or 25% of the overall change and then appearance and performance.
Probably the rest the remaining balance is equally split between those two.
The team was able to preserve shelf space last year during the line reviews. Despite the disruption from Dayton, but what they did have to do is pause on some of the innovation that they otherwise would have introduced in the market.
And what we saw in the marketplaces that appearance grew more slowly than we anticipated and performance chemicals declined slightly.
So those are the issues that are driving that the 19 update.
But I want to talk a little bit about what we're doing about it and what I would say is first and foremost as everyone is who's been on the calls before our first priority was to ensure that date and was operating at an extremely high level.
It is and it continues to be it is in sustained high Ninetys service levels to our retailers, which is exactly where we wanted it to be thats compared to last year, where at times it dipped into the Eightys.
There was no point in introducing new innovation or or deploying a lumpy when you weren't able to ship on time and in full.
Operational efficiency in the plant is up by 20 points Theres also a long list of continuous improvement activities, which were going to be able to undertake once we exit the peak season. So mission accomplished at Dayton. It is operating as it needs to be and that allows us to really turn to the next level and where that is we need to we need to address topline growth.
I don't want any of this to come across as were Cavalierly accepting the results I think anyone who's around US right now understands were not happy and we are addressing it with urgency and one of the reasons that we are so confident is if you look at these categories other than refrigerants, which was impacted by the weather. The categories are growing appearances growing at 2.5% performance chemicals at 1.7% and fragrance of 2.7%. These are categories that respond to innovation and we are working aggressively to infuse consumer insight innovation into the portfolio and we've identified a number of opportunities to do that when you pair that innovation with the iconic brands that we have we're confident in our going forward ability to grow at or ahead category growth rates.
And because of the favorability that we've mentioned several times on synergies, we're going to have the firepower to invest behind innovation and brand building. So when we factor all that in and then you lead into 20 and this gets to more of your question Bill is why what's the logic behind 20 is we expect to finish F Y 19 in the.
For 95 to 5.5 range call it $500 million at the midpoint.
Whether we Didnt, we didnt believe it was prudent to plan that all the weather was going to come back. When you look at 18 and 19, you have exceptionally divergent weather years, so built into our updated 20 guidance is.
A $10 million.
Bring backup the weather and so that's that's what's built into our assumptions obviously, if the weather ends up being like it is an 18. There is some upside to that if it continues the trend of 19 than obviously the weather impact could be a little bit worse than that but we really wanted to be balanced in how we were approaching.
It approaching 20 with the weather much like we do with Hurricanes on the battery side.
With category growth, we expect to grow at or above category growth rates of call that 2% now that we've stabilized date and we're going to introduce innovation, we're going to support it in the market. So we feel good about being able to keep up with category growth rates.
International.
Well, we've it's what we've assumed in this number is that the distributors will resume a more normal ordering patterns. So we've built in around $4 million back into the 20, and then one minor point, but in 2020 is going to be a bit of a transition year for the portfolio theres going to be some cannibalization because we have a few brands that compete in the same space and as we position brands.
More holistically within our portfolio I think there could be some minor cannibalization I don't think it will be anything anything significant but growth, maybe a little bit more muted than it otherwise would be so that kind of gives you. The the flavor of how we got to the rest of 19, and then into 20 I hope that helps fill.
No. Thanks for the extended color I'd just follow up as I look at your updated synergy number just trying to match that with is that on the battery side is that on the auto care said, how does that split and then how does that mesh with the thoughts your commentary of the Dayton is back to where you want it to be operationally that was a bill big piece of getting the profitability of Dayton.
Closer to the.
Eventual $150 million of did two three years ago. So I'm just trying to understand how do I look at that synergy number and then how are we progressing on getting dating back to profitability and how do they match.
Yes, so I'll start and then turn it over to Allen for more color on date and I'd say on synergies. We are extremely confident in the $100 million dropping to the bottom line by the end of three years of ownership, we have identified synergies, which we believe are in excess of 10 million, which are going to help fund some of the growth initiatives in auto care, both behind innovation and NP, we feel really confident in the ability to achieve both of those things. So I think the 100 million.
Is is something we feel we have a very good line of sight to in terms of Dayton, when I say, its operating where it needs to be that means we are.
The service levels are in the high Ninetys. It is not operating as efficiently as it will be able to in the future and those initiatives needs to be undertaken in a way, which doesnt impact service levels and we have a long list of those which are going to take place through 2021, and bill just to build on that if you think about those there were four that we undertook.
Right away, including maximizing line efficiencies, eliminating waste and we did that by improving the material sourcing. We did look at the workforce efficiency to drive that as well and then a reduction in inventory overflow, which existed prior to the acquisition all four of those have been managed as we go forward.
We'll also be looking at manufacturing and distribution network optimization.
That becomes a key one in terms of driving further efficiency efficiencies, we don't anticipate that.
Because of the high service levels as Mark alluded to that were done we continue to look for ways to drive improved productivity and one of the things. We've noticed in these first six months of ownership you went from the eighties on service levels. When when the acquisition was complete to the high Ninetys now so you're at 99. The other thing that we've done is we've also improve the overall equipment efficiency. So think about that as just the overall improvement in manufacturing productivity Thats up almost 20 points in the last four months. So we know that we have the ability to continue to sustain the current level of performance. What we're going to do is going and look at how we drive either even more efficiency and productivity and further waste elimination. So you can expect more to come on that.
Got it thanks.
The next question comes from Robert Ottenstein of Evercore. Please go ahead.
Great.
And thank you for that detailed answer on the auto business I have just one follow up on that and then a question on batteries. So in autos you mentioned that the service levels are where you are and that because of the work that you had to do on service levels you held back on the innovation.
So as you work to improve the efficiency of Dayton is that also going to have an impact on the top line and the sales.
Are you able to do you think you'd be able to accomplish that without impacting the sales.
Of the business. That's the first question and my second question is if you can give us kind of your current assessment.
On the radio that business, a little bit more detail on what you've done with that business to what extent you've been able to re purpose any assets upgrade them.
To to Energizer assets, and maybe a little bit more detail on what looks to be the Q4 stabilization of that business. Thank you.
I'll get started and I'll, let Alan and Tim jump in with any additional detail first on on Dayton.
Just to.
Just to be clear, we didnt hold back on innovation for days and that was held back previously before our ownership.
I think one thing to remind everyone. As this has a different line review cycle as anyone who has been listening to us since the handstands acquisition has heard before and it takes longer for innovation. Once you introduce it to retailers to actually hit shelf. It it's a much more long dated.
Line review cycle. So they held back on the innovation that they was on shelf this year and in terms of the current line reviews, which are underway right. Now we are going ahead with innovation and we have pushed innovation through the system in terms of your question on Dayton as we continued to improve that facility. We will absolutely that will absolutely not impede introducing new innovation. It will not impede growth in fact, continuing to operate that facility better and better should only help accelerate growth in the future.
In terms of the battery question on that one I mean, 80% of our business frankly is hitting on all cylinders. We love with this acquisition has been able to do for our portfolio in the markets, where we were able to acquire it in early indication of that as we mentioned in the prepared remarks is on e-commerce .
I've seen the healthy growth rates in the Rayovac brand online. It was the fastest growing brand over that time period. So it's an early indication we've had a number of conversations a number of wins in some regional grocery retailers, where you're going to see extent expanded space for rayovac not at the expense of energizer, but at the expense of other brands.
All the other major distributions of scale are underway. Those discussions are ongoing you are seeing.
Continued sequential improvement in Q3 in Q4, we would expect from a sales line on the acquired battery business from that to be flat to slightly positive and that's it.
When you when you pair that with the legacy business, which is going to grow 6% organically in Q4, 80% of our business is absolutely firing on all cylinders.
Thank you very much.
Yes to your last question on the ability to utilize the North America assets, we are able to flex.
Activity between all of our facilities. So it gives us flexibility and agility to react to opportunities in the marketplace for the Energizer brand and Weve everything that we believed when we acquired the business still holds true. If you think about we've already talked about the compelling synergies. The fact that we now have clear global market leadership in the battery category. We are scaling up our Latam business to expand distribution visibility by leveraging the the rayovac and BARDA brands certainly the breadth of our product portfolio has been expanded its allowed us to approach markets with multi brand strategy and as we've learned doing that in Asia that provides significant opportunity to build distribution and then there's two things that were able to access and leverage one day hearing aid Audiologist piece is very important it's a strategic part of the hearing aid sub channel and that is because 80% of total battery category volume and hearing aid is done in non retail channels. So having that access is really imply.
And then finally as Mark alluded to we've been able to leverage the high performing made in USA product with several of our channels in the U.S.
Yes, Rick just you mentioned the 6% organic growth for the legacy business can you give us.
Where year, where that number comes from.
Yes. So if you if you look at.
The guide that we've given for the full year, 3% to 3.5% it reflects organic growth in Q4 in excess of 6%.
And so just breaking that down in terms of what's driving that it's.
4.5% is related to distribution and promotional.
Activity.
2.5% is pricing.
We have the royalty.
Reclass, that's a 50 basis point contributor and then.
Offsetting that is the hurricane activity, which was about 150 basis points.
Contributor last year.
As I noted in the script that we we did not project any storm activity for this year. If there is that would be incremental to our outlook.
And presumably.
The additional from distribution and pricing how tight is how tied are those gains into the.
The improved physician that you have of Ryan back.
It's a combination of both it's a combination of with the distribution gains and in our Energizer, both in the Americas and in international and so there will be some carryover impact of that and then the pricing obviously the biggest price.
Increase that we took would have been in the us and that is carrying over into Q4, and then we will carry over into 2020.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
The next question comes from Jason English of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning folks. Thank good morning, Ross Thanks for slot ma'am.
I want to come back to the auto care business real quick.
The acquired all of your business that is the legacy spectrum business. It looks like you're on track for that business to on a fully annualized fiscal year basis deliver around $400 million throughout this year.
Or about 60 566 million short of where what the business did with spectrum in fiscal 18.
First to high roughly in the ballpark and then second can you on pack that a little bit.
How much of the annualized declines.
Do you expect to come from private label, how much from this weather issue net of what happened last quarter and presumably some recovery this quarter.
And then share losses, and then it sounds like based on your comments of inventory that that base level may have been maybe a bit inflated with some inventory, particularly in with international distributors.
So any any color you can share on those components will be helpful. Yes, Jason your number in terms of.
Where the acquired wind up is spot on.
Relative to the exit of private label, that's roughly $23 million.
Decreased from from fiscal 18.
Whether as Mark indicated.
Is approximately $19 million to $20 million.
The international so that was the discussion around distributor loading.
That's roughly.
$11 million and then the balance is attributed to the performance and the parents and and performance chemicals.
Market indicated lack of innovation was was part of the driver of that decline.
And in the refrigerator the AC recharge business, how is your market share doing.
Yes actually growing.
The the categories, obviously had a rough season because of the weather, but we've been able to take share.
During that same time period.
Awesome. Thanks, that's helpful guys. Thank you for that and then one quick question on base batteries, you mentioned, the DM somewhat subdued promotional depth that you're seeing in the marketplace right now.
It's unclear to us how much of this is sort of a bend in the trend versus maybe some timing with duracell with a new optimum innovation.
Presumably you've got programming locked and loaded into the holiday at this point with retailers what are you expecting from a pricing promotional environment as we roll through the critical holiday season based on what you've negotiated so far.
Yes. So we're we're expecting no significant change in other words, where you look at just the most current quarter.
Overall pricing is stable price mix is flat you've got average pricing up in the category almost two tenths of a percent and then you've got promotional levels down and battery similar story to auto by the way as we look forward with their current launch and all the things that we've got in the market around our restage as well as the performance improvements in our business. Our expectation is you'll see continued stability in the overall category from a promotional standpoint from a pricing standpoint, I think you're probably aware energizer did take pricing at 13 markets around the world that included the US we expect that pricing continue to flow through in Q4, and you will see the annualized benefit Q4 through the next three quarters after that.
We are seeing overall pricing appear on shelf.
For Energizer, we're seeing same quarter result, prior to the price increase that we announced on Max and ultimate lithium we were seeing.
Prices to consumers on shelf going up on both private label as well as on the value brands. So the GAAP wallets widen a bit since our announcement is still in line with what we expected it will normalize over time the price gaps overall between the premium brands and the other brands. It's in line with what we've communicated previously private labels, 40% to 60% below the premium brands, you've got the value brands, 20% to 30% below the premium brands performance Altland, which is a declining part of the category is 20% to 30% over the premium brands and ultimate lithium in the US it's roughly two times the premium brands internationally, it's two and a half to three times the premium brands, but all in the pricing and promotion environment in the battery category is stable and the same can be said for automotive.
The next question comes from Kevin Grundy of Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, guys.
Good morning, I wanted to come back to the auto care business as well.
Mark I think you said the July trends had improved building on Jasons question, a moment ago, if I'm not mistaken I think your guidance implies and you can correct me if I'm wrong here sort of high single digit declines in the acquired Autocare business in the fourth quarter, maybe you can confirm that number and then just in terms. If it is correct. What's driving the improvement is that just normalize weather with some carryover impact from this distributor international distributor issue.
More broadly Mark I guess, the hope was.
That this is more sort of forward looking with the auto care business.
This was once upon a time $150 million EBITDA business. The hope was on the Bull case of this eventually gets back to that at some point.
Is the hope here that.
This business troughs in fiscal 20.
From an earnings perspective, and what's your level of confidence today.
On that comment that this indeed does this sort of the fiscal 20 will mark the low point for this business and then the last piece this will be for market now and just the international opportunity seems like this business has changed hands over the years as you guys are well aware and everyone sort of speaks to the international opportunity and the ability to to expand distribution. So setting aside the distributor piece and inventory levels. There maybe talk to us about where that stands how you see that your level of excitement around the ability to expand distribution internationally. Thanks for all that guys.
Yes, thanks, So Kevin I'll start here and then.
Tim and Alan can jump in and then and then let US know if we didnt catch all other questions I think.
The way you're thinking about the balance of of the this fiscal year for auto care is directionally accurate I think the important point for US is where does it go into 20 and your question on where does that build come from again, we're building back in more normalized weather and we're trying to pull out.
A little bit of the more extreme 18 versus 19 divergent weather patterns. So we've put in a week is a reasonable weather assumption into into that growth. We've built in more normalized inventory levels at distributors and more normalized order patterning order patterns for that as well because again, we did see ahead.
Ori growth rates, which in this past fiscal year was a bit more of a challenge because they did pause on the innovation.
In terms of international growth, let me cover that one really quick as we feel really good about where the international growth I know a lot of people have talked about it.
But we are building plans I think Tim.
In the last earnings call mentioned, we feel really confident about our ability to double the size of that international business and nothing that we've seen or planned for thus far gives us any reason to think otherwise and the only add I'd have is if you go back to the thesis for the acquisition when when we explored this we really like to the opportunity that auto gave us an additional class room to grow.
And diversified beyond battery in what we can tell you is that the underlying fundamentals of the categories. The segments. We compete in an overall automotive and the brands that we acquired are strong I think that needs to be a key takeaway from this and I think we've got some underlying facts that are going to support that again as mark alluded to three of the four segments in which we compete in auto and total auto are growing and if you look at the key indicators behind that that are driving that you've got improvement in the overall car park size. The fact that vehicles are older and the number of miles driven is growing used car sales are growing the fact that DIY why is holding stable and the average number of vehicles and in the years that those are being owned are all up so as we look at the trends in our ability to innovate around.
The idea of looking better running longer smelling better and creating innovation around those three platforms for the segments. We compete in we're very excited about the opportunity to grow that not just domestically, but to bring that same level of innovation internationally and Kevin not to belabor the point and make this answer even longer but I want to.
Emphasized kind of the way we've approached this integration with this business and.
Notwithstanding the updated numbers that we've provided today.
I'm, we're really confident in how we're handling this integration in this business and how we're approaching it weve first priority was Dayton, we dealt with that that issues behind us.
The next one was to get in and do joint line reviews and to make sure that we were setting ourselves up for next year sets.
For success and we've we've had really good line reviews. This this cycle and so we were focused on that we've also focused on innovation and brand building.
I think in terms of Q3 of fiscal 19, obviously, we were disappointed in the results we were going to have limited impact on the ability to impact that in a very limited way.
In the six months Weve owned this business. So what we focused on is the medium to long term and everything we are doing there is going to help set up success going forward. So we feel really confident in the call and at the midpoint awful, albeit lowered base you are growing to 3.5% for 20, and we think that's just the start going forward and I Wouldnt as Mark said in his prepared remarks. The fact that we've been able to pickup additional category Captain ships. It key retailers is important to call out that's going to give us the ability to bring our story to the trade to drive that category growth and improvement and to leverage the innovation, we're going to bring to bear.
The next question comes from William Reuter of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
I know you.
You're not prepared to provide fiscal year 2000 and guidance yet, but I was wondering if you could talk at all about the deleveraging path in general that you guys see over the next two years has it changed materially based upon what you are seeing this year and.
In terms of revenues and auto care.
No Bill it's it hasn't the one the one factor that is impacting.
The de leveraging is the timing of the Varda closing. So we had originally projected that to close by the end of end of the fiscal year, It's now moving into.
Q1 of 2020, so we're on track for the 4.7 times and then.
At the end of fiscal 20, we'd expect to be at roughly four times.
And then just my follow up there with regard to the.
Can you remind us I guess, what the net proceeds should be.
From the combination of payments from spectrum sale.
Sale of BARDA, and then any taxes due and then will that go towards term loan production.
Yes, it will go towards term loan reductions so the.
The purchase price is roughly $400 million and their purchase price adjustments against that.
As a debt free cash free deal and so we're projecting somewhere in the range of net proceeds of $3 million to $320 million and those subject to closing those were adjustments, which were also made on the spectrum. So thats correct part of the business.
The next question comes from Pfizer Ali of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Yes, hi, good morning.
Hi, good morning.
Hi, I wanted to talk a little bit more about Cisco's 20, So I know that you're not I guess you sound very good on the legacy or the entire battery portfolio you sound. Good on gross margins it looks like cost inflation of.
Manageable, if anything favorable currencies seem to be.
If not favorable at least stable.
So I know I know the missing piece is the is the auto care sales side, but then you do have incremental synergies coming in so I'm just wondering sort of what why you are not able to reiterate your fiscal 20 guide.
Yes, so as I think we gave we gave the fiscal 2020 at Q2 is indicative of what the full run rate of the business would be we've called out the two items that we know have changed.
Since that Q2 outlook.
The rest we're in we're in the midst of the planning process.
And it doesn't make sense to go through all of the outlook that we provided a Q2.
One we're going to update data Q4, so we've given the major components that are changing from where we were at before.
And so.
We have the call down of Autocare and that we've identified what the incremental synergy benefits are expected for 2020. So if you take the auto care call down.
45 to 50.
The marginal impact of that as roughly 15 to 20 million offset by the increased synergy benefits.
The impact on EBITDA would be roughly in the $5 million to $10 million range.
So we think we've provided appropriate update to what we provided a Q2 and again as you know with.
Different things there is a lot of puts and takes that we're going through with our teams right now and we'll update that in Q4, but we're confident in terms of where we're at as you indicated that 80% of our business.
In battery is strong and growing and auto care.
There were there were impacts and 19 that we're addressing as we move forward in 2000, and we are approaching our annual business planning process and it's important to note that we do want to take the time to sit with our teams and understand those plans going forward and that will be included at the updated in November .
Okay. That's helpful. Okay, then I just wanted to follow up on on the legacy again, the organic growth you've called out 6% in fourth Q.
Can you talk a little bit more about what you're seeing by channel because we're not seeing this type of growth in the Nielsen data if anything it seems like Rio back has been improving on the Energizer brand has been declining if we look at the very.
Near term data. So is there anything you can call out in terms of channels.
Yes. So overall, if you look at the category the volume and value in the most current quarter are both near flat you saw it started at the segment level first overall premium was flat year topping prior year earlier quarter.
Weather in in addition to that you've got the performance segment down that's driven by performance alkaline rechargeable declines youre seeing price alkyl enough thats a bit of an anomaly because of a promotional event that occurred in Germany, and then you've got growth in specialty.
Driven predominantly by watch electronics.
As we look at channels.
Really energizer gained a half of share point in the most current quarter and we did that across most most channels.
We also saw growth in E Commerce, which will answer that question when it comes up on during the call today.
And we saw growth in our non measured channels. So we're really not seeing overall declines in total each side you are seeing some mix shifts occur in certain channels Masters. An example between the brands Thats occurred but part of that was a result of actions. We took pre acquisition that we're benefiting from now what the Energizer brand.
I think size on that one too. It's if we get the question a lot of our you just trading between amortize earn rayovac and Alan pointed it out it's not just going from a write back to our left pocket in terms of the way. This is approaching it we had combined battery sales growth and share growth and so it's not just trading between Energizer brand back and I think thats something that were going to try and continue to talk more about the holistic portfolio.
As we anniversary more the more of the acquisition quarters.
The next question comes from Olivia Tong of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Great. Thanks.
First maybe I could build a little bit on that question.
Just sort of talk through the distribution channels you mentioned in your prepared comments that e-commerce growth slowed significantly. So can you parse out that a little bit.
And then in terms of the non tracked.
Which which channels I mean batteries are everywhere, so which channels in terms of non tracked our growing especially.
E Commerce.
A little bit slow down thanks.
Yes, so start we'll start with the channel and then I'll have Mark address the first part of the question from a channel perspective don't get you got home Center, DIY, which is a big part of the non measured base and is growing.
Energizer, certainly has a dominant position in that particular channel or channels. We continue to do well. There. So we are seeing growth in non measured channels and that goes beyond home center.
So for us that's a pretty important part of it I'll, let mark speak little bit specifically to the ecommerce and why the minus the plus four in the current three months versus the plus 10 in the fifties yet Olivia It's Alan mentioned it grew at four latest 13, 10% in the latest 52.
In terms of individual I know, sometimes you guys like to hear individual brand growth rates Energizer was at 29% over that same time period Rayovac was at 35 as we mentioned in the script.
Sure. So as a 22, an Amazon was down 9% in that same time period, the resulting share.
When you when you factor those growth rates and combined energizer racks, and a 31% share.
Amazon to 25, and then Dermacell so 60.
So we're going to.
From a channel perspective, the way we're approaching innovation in both legacy and acquired battery is not really going to be any different we're going to continue to lead with innovation. It's important part of our secret sauce. If you will the other half of that is really the operational excellence that we are doing in stores. You can expect that to continue as well. The teams remain focused on looking at gaining distribution as well as increasing visibility, which is really expanding your space in existing retailers or channels, where you have it today that remains a focus for us going forward. The key is going to be leveraging our multi brand strategy to be able to reach the different price points that consumers are looking for and that value equation combined with performance of looking for and batteries overall in Olivia we kind of focus on the us, but I'd just point you to.
Our international is also growing organic revenue growth in the third quarter was 4.6%.
We expect a continuation of that as we move over the balance of the year. So that is a contributor as well.
The next question comes from Steve Stricker Cola of UBI US. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
So the first question is.
Just wanted to follow up on the organic sales trends and make sure I'm getting the numbers right.
Were you, saying that 6.5% for the battery business organic sales in the fiscal fourth quarter and was that four points of distribution was that specific to total batteries or just the legacy NR battery system.
I was.
It was 4.5% on our legacy business, so that would be inclusive of the battery lights and auto care.
Pricing was two and a half and royalty revenue Reclass was was 50 basis points and we did we did reference on the acquired battery that in Q4, we expect it to be flat to slightly positive organic growth and that would be distribution related as well, but thats not in the organic numbers that were calling now because.
That that organic growth is on the legacy business.
Right correct and so for the distribution gains that you're.
During for the legacy battery business right now is it anything unique in terms of maybe some retail exclusivities where they were.
Previously doing business with just one premium battery company and now all of a sudden you're getting kind of like a major distribution into an existing retailer where you didnt have share of wallet like whats really driving that level of a pop in the distribution.
It's not any one sort of flip.
Have a retailer on an exclusive basis from from our competition to us. So it's it's really broad based which again is it makes it even healthier in that regard. It's continued expansion of space. It's continued.
Activity within the store that allows us to drive the growth. So it. It is there's some inconvenience there's some in the dollar channel.
In mass in some club you start to see some distribution expansion and space expansion and Thats whats driving the growth and you'll also see that in the non measured channels as well.
The next question comes from Andrea Teixeira of Jpmorgan. Please go ahead.
Thank you.
Can you.
I know we are.
Trying to go entry on really the performance of the acquired battery business, but I think it's important to just like understand how.
The trajectory of that business is going so on the distribution gains are you referencing only to the legacy Energizer. So what would have been the combined distribution for batteries all channels.
Well the clarifications. Please first on the S&P in the fourth quarter by our math it seems as if your guidance implies that you are not a vast amounts of there on the acquired and acquired business this quarter.
Second.
Did you have an increase in shipments in the quarter to fulfill this one day shipping on E Commerce.
That's what we heard from a couple of other companies.
And is that can you bridge the three third quarter performance of your comments you made about decelerating commerce trends in the quarter I appreciate that thank you.
In terms of whether we saw increased.
We continue to partner on E Commerce and as shipping times.
Increase you obviously have to monitor.
Inventory levels at something we watch and partner with I Wouldnt say, we saw meaningful impact this quarter based on that we continue to watch inventory levels throughout.
In terms of the overall battery business I mean, again I want to I want to focus on.
On the holistic view of the business, which as you saw sales growth and you saw share growth.
On the legacy business, we've talked through the distribution gains its expanded space.
It's continued to make sure that that space is working even even better in store in the acquired battery business. It is.
It's leveraging our existing relationships, it's increased display activity that youre seeing in certain retailers and it's just continuing to just go to the go to retailers and allows us different brands in different products to be able to meet their needs and we've seen the number of instances where retailers came to us with a specific need where we were able to meet that with array of that product and we think thats only going to continue this is just making us a better partner to our retailers.
Anything in there that we didnt touch on.
Yes, I guess I mean do you do to one on nine and Indian Rupee also do one on I just want to say as you are saying that one of mine last year for the legacy spectrum business was lower than that or it was higher than that you say it was and.
And MP commentary it seems as if you're not investing much on the acquired business for the quarter just to.
Thanks.
Just a quick.
So maybe to take take the last question first.
Relative to the investment in the acquired businesses I think their investment in a and B.
It has been historically lower than we have.
In the battery business, the legacy business, which we've indicated in the range of 6% to 7%.
Clearly on a on a value brand like Rayovac, you are going to have a lower level of S&P investment.
With respect to the auto care business.
Our view is that going forward, we would expect to increase that level of investment that has historically been there thats what market walked through earlier.
Relative to the trends on on the.
Battery business, what we've seen is just.
Sequential improvement in that business from Q2, where it was down 13%.
Q3 down 6% and as we indicated it would be flat to positive slightly positive in Q4. So that is a that is a trend that we like it's a trend that reflects the work that has been done by the combined teams and reflects the combined portfolio and the strength of that portfolio and then from an AMC in a trade investment standpoint, if you look at the acquired businesses two things were going to be doing warm, we're going to be looking at the AMC investments at the prior pet parent had in those.
Those segments those categories. If you will and then rethinking and reapplying those investments to what we would think to be more productive.
Working a.
From a trade investment standpoint, the teams have already gone in and started to look at where we can drive more efficiencies in those investments.
Very similar to what we've done in the legacy business and you can expect that we will continue to the whole idea is really to drive more productivity and efficiency out of those investment dollars and we have plans as we move toward November to identify where and how those changes be made at the existing business the acquired businesses.
The next question comes from Karru Martinson of Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Good morning, just wanted to comment that ask about.
Why the pause in ecommerce.
Yes, obviously slowing down a bit here, but it has been growing.
So robustly like what's changed in the marketplace on that front or do you feel that this is a temporary blip.
I think you can expect the ecommerce to continue to grow at a healthy growth rates I think as the numbers get larger and as as comps in some instances get harder.
You're going to see momentary pull back a little bit in some of the growth rates some of the growth rates over the same time period again, we were getting into hurricane season, and some of those growth rates, depending upon how they impacted the growth rates at this time last year, maybe impacting that.
I also think as consumers are going to continue.
To shop in store they are going to continue to shop in line at some point, you're going to really reach some sort of stability in that penetration, but I think in the near term.
I think you can expect the growth rates to continue and we will be ready to grow right along with it to other comments on E. Commerce. We're also seeing growth in international ecommerce and energize was outpacing that growth sense and separately, we're seeing growth in omnichannel, So think about that as brick and motor players with their own online programs. Those are also growing with energizer doing a terrific job growing there as well so overall from an ecommerce standpoint, as mark alluded to part of it is comping. Some promotional activity part of its comping storms you can expect it to hold to current levels, but you can also expect that E com and international.
And Omnichannel will grow as well.
Okay, and then just on the promotional front I mean, I think pretty much every holiday season ends up being.
A little bit more promotional than we thought what gives us the confidence.
The promotional environment will stay steady here going into the end of the year.
Yes, so keep in mind, we typically plan out with our customers a year in advance. So we have a pretty good understanding of the types of programs that will be deployed during holiday. If you look at the sequential trends quarter to quarter for the last several years, we've seen overall promotional levels stable. So think about that as a percent price decrease attached to a promotion is not as aggressive and you're seeing less overall promotional activity. In fact, when you look at retailers today, a lot of the merchandising that they are putting on the floor is at full price or not discounting that which which leads you to understand that they're also looking to capture the full margin on what is typically a prompted purchase. So overall our expectation is that you can expect.
The pricing to remain stable between online and brick and mortar. We're seeing overall average unit prices go up and our expectation is we'll see similar stable promotional activity in the category going forward I think what you may see is more beefed up a and b as companies like Energizer continue to introduce innovation across their categories that is something that we will continue to do and as as Tim alluded to one of the prior questions.
For battery AMC typically runs in that 5% to 7% range it will ebb and flow year to year really depending on the innovation that we bring to market as well as competitive activity. We see you can expect that we will be working towards the goal of increasing AMC investments to support innovation in automotive as well.
This.
That concludes the question and answer session of the call I would like to turn the call back over to Alan Hoskins for any closing remarks.
Yes. Thank you operator, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call today and for your continued interest in Energizer.
That concludes our call.
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