Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Hosting the call today, sometimes I, Rob Vitale, President and Chief Executive Officer, and just sat on Chief Financial Officer.
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It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Jennifer Meyer Investor Relations of post holdings for introductions you may begin.
Good morning.
Thank you for joining us today for post third quarter 2019 earnings call with me today are Rob Vitale, our president and CEO and Jeff data our CFO .
Robin Jeff will begin with <unk> remarks.
Afterwards, we'll have a brief question answer session.
The press release that supports these remarks is posted on our website in both the Investor relations in the FCC filing sections at post holdings Dotcom.
In addition to release is available on the Fccs website.
Before we continue I would like to remind you that this call will contain forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that should be carefully considered by investors as actual results could differ materially from statements.
These forward looking statements are current as of the date of this call and management undertakes no obligation to update these statements.
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And finally this call will discuss certain non-GAAP measures.
For a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure see our press release issued yesterday and posted on our website.
With that I will turn the call over to Rob.
Good morning.
Thank you Jennifer and thank you all for joining us to review our quarter.
We had a solid quarter and I'll hit the key themes shortly I want to begin with our outlook, which we now estimate to range between 1.25 and 1.215 billion.
Using the Midpoints of our guidance, we entered Q3 with a second half expectation of 629 million.
With the cadence skewed to the fourth quarter.
Our revised best estimate for the second half is a midpoint of 619 million, but the cadence flipped in favor of the third quarter.
With respect to the cadence change.
The vast majority resulted from a pull forward of large orders in our active nutrition segment.
Pull forward about 5 million and adjusted EBITDA.
The $10 million declined in the second half midpoint estimate is driven by a number of modest contributors.
First two of our smaller businesses are incurring commodity headwinds totaling $4 million to $5 million.
We expect this to be transitory bit has persisted longer and 2019 than expected.
Second the weakening of the pound to dollar exchange rate has added $2 million to $3 million of pressure on excellent Weetabix results.
And finally across the segments minor revenue misses and cost is offset by some opportunity realization netted and another $5 million of EBITDA reduction. These costs are not a systemic but required tighter execution, particularly around our refrigerated supply chain.
Post consumer brands had a solid quarter.
Consumption performance faced challenging comps as we lapped strong merchandising support and chose not to repeat certain low ROI promotions. Nonetheless consumption dollars were relatively flat in tracked channels and our branded market share reached 20.8%.
Although moderating shipments continue to like consumption.
We had gross profit growth of nearly 8 million.
But we chose to invest incremental gross profit in brand building and consulting expense oriented towards a comprehensive overhaul of our planning process.
This is aimed at delivering a more profitable mix at the best cost we expect the effort to produce modest benefit to 2020 and become more meaningful overtime.
Michael Foods had a terrific quarter with strong volume growth across products and channels.
Synergy execution across food service, and refrigerated and retail businesses remain well on track.
We expect to exit fiscal 2019, achieving approximately 60% of the synergy target on a run rate basis.
I want to go a bit deeper than usual in refrigerated retail.
We think of this sick of this segment has side dishes, both Bob Evans and simply potatoes.
Secondly, liquid eggs.
And finally, our more commoditized or more commoditized categories of cheese sausage and shell eggs.
Our side dish business continues with exceptional growth, we have lots of confidence in the potential for these brands.
Our liquid egg business needs renovation and innovation, we have developed a new R&D strategy to leverage Michaels technical prowess and Bob Evans retail strength.
And we expect this to bring new energy to the category.
The balance of the segment cheese sausage and shell eggs is approximately one third of the segment and is declining as a percentage of the segment.
As I mentioned, we see $4 million to $5 million of transitory headwinds for this portion of the business during the second half of the year.
Side dish manufacturing is currently underperforming as we transform it.
Essentially we are converting Bob Evans from a made to order system to a made to forecast system.
This involves an IP migration for legacy Bob Evans plants, there are growing pains, but it will improve our customer service.
Ability to support innovation and margin.
We expected about the benefit to develop in 2020 and be fully realized in 2021.
Weetabix delivered great performance this quarter with meaningful growth in pound Sterling sales and adjusted EBITDA.
However, currency impacted the top and bottom line growth rates by approximately 600 basis points.
Brexit preparations are gearing up again during.
Fiscal Q4.
We expect to rebuild working capital ahead of the new deadline of October 31.
This includes modest incremental cost around additional storage and inventory bills.
The impact of Brexit on US is mostly reflected in currency translation, we calculate adjusted EBITDA on an average spot basis. However, approximately 60% of the free cash flow, we expect to repatriate over the next two years is hedged at a rate of $1.46 pound Sterling to U.S. dollar well above the current spot rate.
Active nutrition had an excellent quarter with strong shake consumption growth of 16%.
All flavors returned to the shelf and market share in tracked channels reached 18%.
Total distribution points have recovered at nearly all major customers and reached 95% of their previous hot.
During the quarter shake inventories and safety stock reached desired levels. We now have adequate capacity to meet our near to medium term growth forecasts. During this capacity transition we have learnt lead into margin over sales growth with capacity now online we can more aggressively reengaged demand building efforts.
Looking forward recall I commented on $5 million of EBITDA pulled forward from the fourth to the third quarter.
Coupled with the typical historical cadence of a lower lower fourth quarter. This will result in a sequential decline.
We encourage you to evaluate the business based on a year to date performance rather than simply Q3 isn't run rate.
Regarding the upcoming IPO, we have submitted an amended S. One and remain on track for a fall execution.
We will provide updates as the process unfolds.
You likely saw our press release that pending an FTC review our acquisition of Treehouse is private label cereal business has been delayed.
While we are disappointed we remain committed to the transaction and expect a reasonably timely resolution.
To wrap up my comments I would observe the 2019 looks to end very much in line with our long term value proposition at essentially the midpoint of our initial guidance.
Our cash generators generated cash our growing businesses grew at the midpoint of our estimate we will have grown adjusted EBITDA in excess of 5%.
Let me is a perfect gear, we have plenty to improve upon but I am generally quite pleased with the resilience of the business and we continue to be well positioned to execute against strategic opportunities as they develop.
With that I will turn the call over to Jeff.
Thanks, Rob and good morning, everyone.
Our adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $315 million with consolidated net sales up nearly 3% year over year on a pro forma basis.
Starting with post consumer brands net sales and volumes increased 1.7% and 0.4% respectively.
Average net pricing improved 1.3% percent.
Despite unfavorable mix, primarily resulting from private label volume gains.
Branded volumes were pressured as we lap significant promotional support and new product introductions last year.
Segment, adjusted EBITDA was flat compared to prior year manufacturing performance improved as we lapped elevated cost in the prior year. However, this was offset by higher investment in advertising and consumer spending an incremental consulting expenses.
Pricing fully offset year over year systemic inflation and commodities freight in wages this quarter.
Gross profit margins improved compared to prior year and were flat compared to second quarter with conversion costs improving sequentially.
We expect conversion cost to continue to improve albeit at a level higher than peak performance levels achieved last year.
Due to wage inflation and mix changes across the manufacturing network.
Weetabix net sales increased 1% over the prior year, despite an approximate 600 basis point headwind from currency driven by the weaker British pound.
Average net pricing increased 11% year over year as we continue to lap our promotional strategy reset.
Although segment volumes declined 3.4% core Weetabix branded volumes grew year over year for the first time since the second quarter of fiscal 2018.
This growth as well as growth in private label Biscuit volumes was offset by declines in exports in non biscuit products.
Adjusted EBITDA grew in line with sales as a favorable price volume impact was partially mitigated by greater investments in brand building.
Net sales in the food service segment increased 3% with volumes up 2.7% driven by robust growth in both AG and potato products.
Volume growth reverted to our long term algorithm following a slow down in second quarter growth stemming from weak QSR foot traffic in January and February .
A favorable price cost relationship volume growth, a greater mix of foodservice versus ingredient volumes and synergy realization drove year over year adjusted EBITDA growth.
Of 24% for this segment.
Additionally results benefited from lapping $3.5 million of repair and maintenance repair expense and margin on lost revenue, resulting from pre cooked AG manufacturing disruptions in the prior year.
It's worth observing that our foodservice AEG profit performance was strong despite low at market prices. This reinforces our conviction in the reliability of the Michael foods pricing model in various market conditions.
Refrigerator retail net sales decreased 3% and 8.4% increase in side dish volumes was more than offset by volume declines in other products and lower average net selling prices in eggs.
Bob Evans branded side dishes had great growth this quarter with volumes up 17%.
Driven by strong velocities distribution gains and a change in Easter timing.
For the year to date period, Bob Evans branded side dish volumes grew 13%.
Segment, adjusted EBITDA was pressured by unfavorable price cost relationships within the more commodity exposed product categories.
Including sausage cheese and shell eggs.
Additionally, higher side this manufacturing costs weighed on results this quarter.
Net sales in our active nutrition business increased nearly 10%.
Ready to drink shake net sales grew 19% with volumes up 13% driven by strong velocities and in part a pull forward of orders to the third quarter from the fourth quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA for the segment grew 32.5% benefiting from higher volumes pricing and lower advertising and marketing expenses.
Recall the quarterly margins in this section in this segment fluctuate significantly depending on the timing of promotional activity and levels of marketing spending.
For the fourth quarter, we expect greater investment in our promotional activities and marketing programs when compared to the first three quarters of the year.
As a result, we expect fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA margins for active nutrition to revert back to historical norms of high teens to low twentys.
Before we open up the call for Q and I would like to make a few comments on cash flow and capital transactions.
For the nine months period in fiscal 2019, our cash flow from operations was approximately $505 million with $300 million generated in the third quarter.
As we expected this was a significant improvement from the second quarter.
The improvement resulted from the timing of interest payments, a slight decrease in working capital and sequential growth in performance across the business.
Regarding capital markets transactions during the third quarter, we repurchased approximately 200000 shares at an average price of $103.83 per share for an aggregate of $23 million.
This brings our total share repurchases year to date to approximately 900000 shares for $89 million.
Our remaining share repurchase authorization as approximately $219 million.
Our net leverage at the end of the third quarter as measured by our credit facility was approximately five times.
In early July we issued $750 million of 5.5% senior notes due December 2029.
This was an opportunistic issuance with cash going to the balance sheet and had no impact to net leverage.
With that I'll like to turn the call over to the operator for questions.
Operator.
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Our first question comes from the line of Andrew Landmark of Barclays.
Hi, Good morning, everybody good morning, Andrew.
Hi, two questions from me if I could first would be thanks for the.
Additional color on on some of the full year guidance changes and things and.
As I think about it it's not unusual for post two.
So to clarify and tightened the range on its fiscal Threeq call I guess, it's a little different about this one is it kind of comes on the heels of having done something similar about a month ago. So I guess I wanted to make sure I understand what might have changed since.
You tightened the range a couple of weeks back and where those things that you couldn't see at that time or what changed in the interim and what does that say are not about sort of the visibility that you have got into the business at this point and then I've just got a follow up.
Sure.
The biggest single contributor would be the reduction in the pound Sterling that's between two and $3 million.
We had a delay in a.
Cheese opportunity from Q4 into fiscal <unk>.
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We have a bit more persistent weakness in selling prices for the very small Shelly business. We have added during the course of the quarter.
Contributes a couple of $3 million and then we've had the lingering.
Underperformance in the refrigerated supply chain that we frankly made some decisions to.
Move more fundamentally but slower to fix.
He will make a more comprehensive it.
Transition to.
Bring this up to.
Overall tow standards so those.
Four items really contributed to the other thing I would just say is that.
Roughly 40% of the period and timing question between when we gave guidance to year end has now passed and you look at a probabilistic assessment of a range and we simply felt like given.
The amount of time that has passed and looking at some of the.
Changes in commodities and upside downside and realizations that the high end of that range was no moral was not currently likely so we wanted to.
Bring it but for conservative perspective on the outlook of the year.
All right. Thanks for that and then I guess more importantly, I realize it's certainly too early to go into.
Specific guidance for fiscal 2000.
But I guess im just trying to get a sense of some of the things that you mentioned.
Just earlier.
Are any of those are some expected to be issues as we think about fiscal 20 and I asked because obviously consensus is looking for another solid year in terms of EBITDA growth next year, and Theres incremental Bob Evans synergies, you'll have a new value added egg this facility up and running.
In all likelihood the ready ready to eat other indeed cereal deal with Treehouse and so there are number of things that certainly we can see that sort of in theory break your way I wanted to be sure.
I've got those right, but then are there any other things worth calling out even just directionally as we think ahead.
Either more positive or on the other side that we need to keep in mind at this stage. Thank you no I would say, it's largely steady as she goes and I will call out two things largely well entirely beyond our control.
The Brexit uncertainty as it relates to.
EBITDA translation and I want to stress this is accounting.
Over economics, we translate the.
Current earnings on a spot basis, but as we actually repatriate them, we repatriate them under a cross currency swap at a much higher level than current spot rates, but you know.
We aren't going to even begin to try to guess, what's going to happen in terms of the pound market. Our long term thesis of course is that once we get past the noise.
It will.
Mean revert, but what is going to happen early in fiscal 20 is anybody's guess the second of course is the timing of the resolution around the FTC review.
We are actively engaged in responding to it but we wouldn't want to.
Try to guess exactly when that will be resolved.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Jason English of Goldman Sachs.
Hey, good morning folks more.
Thank you for let me ask question I guess someone to zoom into your active nutrition business if I could.
Could we start with just an update on where you stand with the IPO plans, what the timeline looks like what should we what we should expect in the next couple of months.
From a.
From a process and regulatory perspective were quite limited in what we can say around that but what we can say and have said publicly is that we have now gone through I believe two amendments of the S. One.
Were either on our second or third.
That process has gone quite well.
We expect to come to market a as we said previously early in the fall that's either.
Right before or right after our fiscal year and I think as the calendar shaping up it's more likely to be right. After the fiscal year and that of course is.
Market dependent.
Got it. Thank you and then the performance of that business.
Can you quantify the EBITDA pull forward can you quantify the sales pull forward from the fourth quarter to third quarter.
And then.
In the press release, you highlight some challenges on the bar side of that business and we certainly see that in the consumption data.
Can you can you remind us what the portfolio mix is there and how we should think about.
Net growth all in with those drags going forward is this sort of year to date mid single digit run rate, which is looks sort of fairly consistent what we see in the measured data.
What we should expect or is there a glide path back to more robust.
Growth.
So in terms of your first question, we don't have the exact number top of mind on revenue, but generally speaking there's about a 25% flow through so call it $20 million broadly.
In terms of your second question the business is largely a that there's three businesses embedded within our active nutrition segment.
Diamond ties, which is on an annualized basis, roughly 120 million of revenue.
Flattish to modestly growing largely.
Powders and bars.
Not so much in track channels, so probably not what you're picking up the vast majority of the business is ready to drink shakes I'm going out.
Rod or roughly 80% number.
In terms of the revenue that's where all of the growth is we frankly are de emphasizing our bar business outside of diamond ties because we have.
Not got a.
Okay.
Oh Wow.
It is and we continue to expect that sales growth will be double digit sales growth and one.
Can you get.
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Sales growth.
Thank you very helpful. Thanks, Jason.
Our next question comes from the line of John .
Yeah, well start now.
Good morning, Thanks for the question for India.
Rob wanted to touch on foodservice side.
The last two quarters, we've seen some nice margin expansion there maybe strongly would have.
Thought given that pricing doesn't appear to be all that meaningful.
There's been some cost headwinds as well can you dig into that a bit more in terms of the support of factors is it mix is it predominately cost synergies from Bobby what's driving the strength there.
Yes, and yes, I would say that Michael is a business really.
Firing on all cylinders right now the management team is doing an extraordinary job our cost is good our mix is good we've done an exceptional job of.
Executing against the Bob Evans synergies, so I I, frankly don't have a whole lot to add to the way you answered. The question you at you pose the question because I think you highlighted those issues.
Okay, and you're just thinking through Weetabix pricing. There is also pretty strong is that you are largely towards that reprogramming effort with the consumer is it more kind of trying to recoup some of the FX impact there because what's what's kind of driving that and.
Any how do you like to see holding up going forward do you think.
So the the first part of your question is it's the former it's the.
Final lapping of the work we did on resetting the promotional strategy.
The the planning was begun in January of 18 execution began that spring. So we're just now lapping over it so thats gone exceptionally well we are certainly not trying to price to FX. You know this is all local currency pricing that we're communicating. So then were translating it back and filtering out the impact of FX.
And elasticities have been responded extremely well, yeah I would say.
I think it's the flip side of the problem that originally was created is that when a promotional pricing got too aggressive there wasn't a volume expansion and when it pulled back there wasn't a significant volume retraction.
Great. Thanks for your time, thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Chris Grayling Stifel.
Hi, Good morning, Chris Hi.
If I just go back to just a point on active if there was a 20 million dollar sales pull forward. It would suggest that sales were largely flat in the quarter. I know you were rebuilding distribution and then obviously even with the declines in bars has been good at least measured channel growth overall, just trying to get a little more color from you on the sales performance of active therefore, excluding that factor.
No I think you're quite right and with the capacity constraint that focus and.
Immediate term has been making sure that we were able to.
Phil the stable demand going into the quarter, we did see some declines outside of the shake business and now we would expect to.
Well and the flip side of that is that we had a better margin structure because we weren't.
Doing much to drive demand now the flip side of that will be true when we expect to.
Reaccelerate sales growth with some pressure on margins.
So the other businesses within that that that's maybe dragging down what looks to be some pretty good shape growth is that consumption growth is correct. The Connecticut and shakes has remained very strong at 16%.
Okay.
And then just a question for you on I guess refrigerated retail and some of the items you noted about the I.T. system on the processes and all that is it are we talking about incremental cost there or is this a weaker sales performance or how does that manifest in the in the PNM. If you will whether that's in the fourth quarter or in 2020.
So it's it's not weaker sales performance the.
Let's take it piece by piece the side dish business has gone exceptionally well double digits across the portfolio.
The liquid egg business is relatively flat.
And then where we have had some volume weakness was predominantly in our cheese business and as I commented we've had some.
Some price weakness in our retail like business that retailing business being very very small and I'm, sorry, I should be more specific retail Shelly, we have a strategic liquid egg business and non strategic portion of that portfolio.
The.
A challenge essentially and we've talked about this in some of our meetings that we were going to make a determination as to how far to lean into integrating the supply chains between Michael and Bob Evans, because they share a base product mix.
The.
Bob Evans.
Planning architecture was more of a made to order structure. So they didnt have a sophisticated demand forecast that then implicated a production plan and built inventory. So it's much more complicated customized orientation, we've made the decision to invest in.
Mostly in IP, so that we can move the Bob Evans process to more of a made to forecast model.
And in terms of your question about the PNM, it's mostly capital.
Flowing through I T. There will certainly be some consulting and there will be some execution cost, but that will then ultimately expand the if you want to call it synergy or cost reduction I think that's largely semantics.
Opportunity on the refrigerated retail side as we get.
A better margin structure, better mix and better customer service.
Is the EBITDA weakness this quarter than the capital is that.
Or is that for throughput costs.
Okay.
The factory.
Particularly the potato factories are are doing a fine job keeping up with volume requirements, but the cost is.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of doesn't tell the Sunshine.
Thanks, Good morning Bill.
I'm sorry, our next question comes from the line of Tim Ramey of pivotal Research group.
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Hi, It's Tim can you hear me.
Hello.
Yes, I can hear you sorry go ahead.
Okay.
Let's see a couple of questions one I'm holding in my hand, a bottle of premier protein clear.
And wondering about how widely that is rolled out and how successful that span.
And second.
We certainly knew that shell eggs were not.
They were commodity but I wasn't sure that they were non core are you, saying that they are non core at this point.
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Sounds good I'll assume this is still a conference call another private conversation.
So I'm a couple of things one I'm holding in my Handy Oh.
An empty bottle of premier protein clear.
It was quite tasty and wondering.
Number one how widely that's been rolled out if that might have been part of the 20 million.
Pull forward anything specifically to say on that one and then I have a follow up to.
It's been rolled out to club it is not part of the pull forward. The pull forward is entirely on the ready to drink shake business and we think the clear product is a great product, but it needs some work around packaging and price point to get the same degree of success, we've seen in other parts of the portfolio.
Okay.
And then Rob I was I think I heard you say that shell eggs or non core.
I certainly knew that they were commodity items, but I.
Didn't really understand them to be non core to the business.
Did I understand that correctly in and why wouldn't it make sense.
To have a continuing presence in shell eggs you know how do we now explain the low am at acquisition that type of thing.
So the the core thesis of Michael Foods has and has been and remains a value added like products.
So in that definition, a retail shell eggs is by definition.
Off strategy, the Willamette egg acquisition with fundamentally about providing a hedge against price volatility in the Midwest in the event of another AI event I think the.
Need for that hedge has mitigated with time, it's been a very good acquisition there had been times, where we've been significantly generating cash in that business relative to what we paid for it but.
In no scenario are we looking to invest behind retail shell eggs as a reason to be it it is entirely at times a hedge.
So.
When I say its non core or is it more relegated to hedging status versus building status.
But not necessarily.
To be divested status, it's not necessarily.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Bill Chapell of Suntrust.
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Thanks, Good morning, again, sorry about that Bill I'm not sure. If it's something we said or use Oh, well I'm sure you had an incredibly astute and concise answer to my.
It Green pricing question, but could you give it to me again, because I certainly didnt hear it and I'm not sure if anybody else that.
Can we repeat the question [laughter] sure so with where grain prices are going and your green based contracts just trying to understand what pricing looks like for that business and kind of how it drives sales over the next two three quarters with what you see kind of post post harvest yeah.
So it was a long and drawn out answer apparel.
Oh [laughter] the methodology within the grain based contracts is is essentially a 90 day lag from the market. So.
There, there's some time to catch up on pricing with wherever commodities are going.
So we would expect that we will experience that lag, but that will eventually catch up to wherever the market's landed as as you follow them you saw that it spiked up and then come back down a lot of speculation as to what the next government WASDE report, we'll say about.
Ah Ah corn, and wheat and soybean progression, but the model is designed to essentially follow the market on a 90 day lag.
Got it so no effect more in it as we go to <unk> to 2020 <unk>. Other question is just.
On the biggest noncore business talking about eighth Avenue can you just give us a little more update of what's going on there I understand it's still.
Emerging multiple businesses together and the kind of growing or integration pains of that but but obviously this is I think that maybe the second cut on EBITDA for this year and so just trying to understand the outlook, especially as we go into next year.
Yeah the.
If you recall eighth avenues, three businesses that were putting together as one delivery system granola nut Butters and pasta granola and nut Butters have essentially performed to plan throughout the year, we made an IP migration on pasta to the system that was driving the other businesses. We also lost some people so between some disruption around.
I T visibility and people his ability we lost some bidding efficacy.
And in some cases, a bit too high some cases been too low and as you probably know it's entirely a bid business. So it cost us some volume issues and at the same time, we had some weakness in plant operations in our Minnesota factory. So the problems with with eighth Avenue in fiscal 19, I would characterize it as a near 100% self inflicted in around execution.
Oh, we have worked closely with THL and frankly DHL has.
Taking the laboring or and working on process improvement and I think the partnership is working very well to work with the management team and get these problems corrected as we enter into 20 and I think we have a very bright prospects, both with respect to recovery ongoing cost reduction and reasonably near term M&A that give us a lot of optimism for the long term prospects for the business.
Got it thank you.
Yeah.
Our next question comes from the line of Michael <unk> of Piper Jaffray.
Good morning, Good morning, Michael.
You mentioned some of the clients are the big the cereal business.
Some declines on the license serials.
Can you just give us a little more visibility on some of the puts and takes in that business and how much were those in announce or someone just what we should expect looking ahead in terms of what might be a little bit of a headwind or tailwind as.
More new items might be coming.
Well I think if you go back and look at a little bit of the history of the category, we all know that.
Pre Sweden has been the.
A sub segment of the category that has performed best over the last decade or so in about two years ago. There was a heavy move into license brands and we were very early in it and.
It took a leadership position with our Oreo licensed product.
We then extended that into other products most of which have done reasonably well Oreo has done exceptionally well and at the same time some of our competitors took a similar approach to license product and frankly I think the.
This sub category has become too crowded in Europe , what you're seeing now is churn among some of these.
New license more fun flavor. So I think what we're going to see is a.
A winnowing the winners and losers in that we have a number of skews that we think will be very successful in the segment, but there will be some across the category that need to move out otherwise we're just churning.
And you know it will be it will be a headwind with respect to a growth in volume, but it's a new segment that we expect to have.
Strong sustainability going forward.
That's helpful and just back to the Weetabix you mentioned.
I think it was dollar 46.
Hedges you'd had can you just give a sense of.
How far out does go and is it easy math that if it stays at around at 122 or three or something that you would have that translational hit rolling in at some point.
The first part of your question as they go out three years.
The second part and I just want to be real clear because this does get complicated the way we translate.
Actual EBITDA does reflect the current spot rate. So if it stays at one twentyl it'll be essentially where we are today and.
You know it it will have given takes from whatever is today 122 and change.
The economic reality is driven by the duration of that hedge so as we repatriate cash it comes in at a higher level, but the uptick or EBITDA number is that a spot basis is that.
Clear, that's actually really helpful, but that so just to make sure to confirm this the the the actual cash is protected by the hedge but what what you report it for earnings we would be at any current spot rates correct.
And the three years do you have rolling ones in terms of if it's the 146 all through three years or is there sort of layers of that that is that it would vary.
So I'm going from recollection and would have to get into a little bit of our treasury, but as I recall there is two different swaps with different tenors, but we would I would need to get more detail to answer that.
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you very much.
And we've reached the allotted time for questions we do have.
One more.
Okay.
Could we could we do the one more question.
Our final question will come from the line of Kinda Zaslow dance BMO capital.
Hey, good morning, everybody. Thanks for squeezing me in I thought we were going to lose you can sorry about that so I appreciate it I'll keep it short.
Did you say is a week R&D effort that has to go into the liquid liquid eggs can you talk a little bit about that and also I think you also said you are overhauling the planning process in your opening comments just wanted to know what those two men implications.
Sure.
I actually I think I made two comments about planning a in my prepared remarks, I made a comment about our planning process in cereal. If you go back to having brought post foods and mom brands together, we first focus on cost cost reduction and bringing the teams together now we're trying to take that next level of sophistication trillium include improve our demand forecasting because that then has implications around production planning and the closer that as to the demand forecast, obviously that our cost we get to the same phenomenon is true and Bob Evans, but for a bit of a different reason that reason being coming out of a restaurant orientation ER and having built the business out of a sausage shop. It was more of a job shop made to order business and what we're trying to do is get both of those.
Platforms up to state of the art demand forecaster production planning.
So neither of those are new the new information is that we are going further towards an integrated supply chain within our overall refrigerated retail and foodservice platform. So that there will be one delivery system with best execution. The R&D comment I made was.
We have we have terrific well really unparalleled knowledge of.
You don't converting a commodities into interesting value added products and what we wanted to do was catalyzed at a retail so weve, taking taking people who have been predominantly oriented towards developing foodservice products and expanded that domain, so that theres a retail component to it.
Great.
Thank you very much.
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Thank you at this time I'd like to turn the call back over to Rob Italian for any additional or closing remarks, well. Thank you for hanging with US. This morning, we're going to have a.
Postmortem to decide whether this is going to be something would just do once or develop it as part of our.
Conference strategies for tough questions.
But again, thank you and.
We'll talk to you next quarter.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call you may now disconnect.