Q3 2019 Earnings Call

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I would now like to have the conference over to your speaker today secret add angle senior director of Investor Relations.

Please go ahead Sir.

Thank you Laura good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for third quarter 2019 earnings Conference call with me this morning, or Jim Fish, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Ardmore Executive Vice President and Chief operating Officer, Davita ranking senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

We are prepared comments for each of them today.

I will cover a high level financials, everybody strategic update John will cover an operating overview and being able to cover the details of the financials.

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Third quarter volume results discussed auto workday adjusted basis.

During the call it came into being a little tougher earnings per diluted share, which they may refer to a D. P. S for earnings per share and they're also going to operating EBITDA <unk> income from operations before depreciation and amortization.

Jim It to be it will also be discussing the client acquisition of advances both services, we say may refer to it that bad for 80, yes.

Any comparison, otherwise stated will be with a third quarter 2018.

Net income Es operating EBITDA and actually the expense results have been adjusted and projected 2019 measures are anticipated to be adjusted Coherents compatibility by excluding certain items that management believe do not reflect a fundamental business performance or results of operations, including costs incurred in connection with the pending acquisition of Ats and already.

Related reduction of common stock repurchases from planned levels.

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Thanks, Ed and thank you for joining us.

In the third quarter, the fundamental strength of our collection and disposal business continued to drive positive results for the company.

In farming that focusing on our employees and customers and leveraging our asset network is the right strategy.

In the third quarter, we generated more than 5% organic revenue in our collection and disposal business would yield a 2.6% and volume of 2.7%.

And we had a strong core price the 5.3%, which translated into total company operating EBITDA more than $1.14 billion, an increase of more than 3% from the third quarter 2018.

We also saw operating EBITDA margin expanded 50 basis points in the collection and disposal business, which translated into operating cash growing almost 9%.

As it reflects on a year, so far and develop our plans for next year. A couple of trends are starting to come to light, particularly in our collection and disposal business.

Our results across the solid waste business had been strong through the first nine months of the year.

What they've been particularly strong in our lines of business that are driven by the consumer portion of the economy.

Commercial collection and MSW landfill volumes.

We have good visibility into these segments of our business and all indicators are pointing to continued strength.

When we look at the portion of our business driven by the industrial segment of the economy, namely special waste, we continued to see growth. However.

The pace of growth is starting to moderate.

We're starting to see generators take a more cautious approach to awarding new work.

We still see our special waste pipeline is strong.

And we're in a solid position to capitalize on these jobs as they occur based on the long term relationships, we built with our large industrial customers and the strength of our asset network.

Overall, our collection and disposal business has performed exceptionally well in 2019 overcoming headwinds in our commodity sensitive businesses.

Recycling and renewable energy.

The results in our commodity sensitive businesses, which make up less than 10% of our total revenue.

I've been below our expectations.

We've discussed all year, the historically low recycling commodity prices.

But we've also seen the negative 18 million dollar impact in our operating EBITDA plan through the first nine months here related to renewable natural gas credits.

We remain convinced that our strategy to close the loop between our landfill gas and CNG fleet is the right strategy.

And as an important piece of our commitment to drive sustainability within our operations.

The good news is that the steps, we're taking to transform recycling business with restructured fee based contracts and investments in technology Watch list the business from commodity price swings.

And we're starting to see results.

We saw a 320 basis point improvement in contamination rates that are single stream worse than the third quarter.

On the technology for us.

We began running tests material to our Merck for the future and are encouraged by the results.

At multiple other facilities, we're testing robotics advanced optical sorting technology and improving the screening processes.

We continue to expect meaningful operating cost savings from these advancements in technology, while also creating the best quality material for sale through positive selling process.

Finally, I'd like to provide an update on the progress were making towards the ABS acquisition as we mentioned last quarter. We continue to make progress towards closing this transaction and we remain on track to complete the acquisition during the first quarter 2020.

As you might imagine we received a high level of interest from other companies acquiring any potential businesses, we might be required to divest.

Our integration team continues to position us to successfully integrate ats upon close.

Overall, we're pleased with our performance in the first three quarters of year, which positions us to achieve our full year goal.

The general macro economy seems to be stable as indicated by our strong price and volume growth with consumer spending steady while the industrial segment seems to be taking more of a wait and see approach.

The overall investment thing for waste management remains one for our solid waste business continues to produce excellent results and overcomes challenges in our commodity based businesses.

As best as demonstrated by our 7.8% year over year operating EBITDA growth in our collection and disposal business and our 8.9% year over year growth in our net cash from operations.

These strong results position us to deliver.

Our full year 2019 results.

In closing I want to highlight another accomplishment in the quarter that were particularly proud.

For the second your ROE, we were named sector leader for commercial services on the North American and World Dow Jones sustainability indices.

This distinction is a reflection of our leadership in sustainability and the continued strides we are making in these areas and with that I will turn the call over to John .

Yes, Jim and good morning.

We're pleased where our third quarter performance driven by organic revenue growth of 5.3% in the collection and disposal business. The headline here is that landfill MSW yield in the third quarter was 3.7% a 250 basis point improvement over last year and if you look at the monthly trend of MSW yield the highest month in a quarter was September indicating continued more.

Let them in this area.

This is going to focus area for us and we've made good progress in 2019 with year to date MSW yield of 3.6% compared to 2.2% for the full year 2018.

This step change increase in pricing helps to overcome rising operating costs and generate appropriate returns on our high quality capital intensive post collection assets.

We saw commercial volume growth of 3.2% for the quarter and continued MSW volume growth of 1.9%.

We also continue to see service increases outpaced service decreases in the third quarter and net new business remain positive all evidence of a healthy consumer economy.

We've heard from some of our industrial customers that they lack visibility to commit to some event work. However, special waste volume growth of 4% in the third quarter still healthy growth, especially given the tough comparisons from last year.

See the volume growth of 13.6% was largely driven by fire cleanup activities in California, which wrapped up in August .

Looking at the recycling business, our blended average commodity price in the third quarter was just under $40 per ton.

A decline of 40% compared to last year and further 8% decline from the 10 year low reached in the second quarter, which led to an $86 million decline in our recycling revenue.

Despite this precipitous drop steps were taken to improve the recycling business held year over year declined to operating EBITDA of $7 million and EPS declined to about one Penn in past years and $86 million decline in revenue would have represented about an eight to 10 cents decline in EPS mid.

Beginning this larger impact demonstrates the success, we're having in restructuring contracts and assessing feeds for contamination.

Given our outlook for continued depressed prices in the fourth quarter. We continue to expect that full year results for the risk or recycling will be a one to two cents EPS headwind in 2019 compared to 28.

Turning to operating expenses in the third quarter total operating costs as a percentage of revenue were 61.5% 50 basis point improvement over last years adjusted results as our operations continue to improve their efficiency and manage your spending as volumes increase.

We're pleased with the improvements that we're seeing operating cost, particularly with the strong volume growth that we're experiencing we've been able to manage our labor costs through improved efficiency and in areas, where we have implemented our maintenance service delivery optimization program metrics our improvement.

While we are seeing increases in the cost to serve our customers. We are focused both on managing these costs and recovering increases through pricing opportunities.

Through the first nine months of the year. Our operations are performed well and we expect that they will continue that momentum through the rest of the year on into 2020.

I'll now turn the call over to Divina to discuss our third quarter financial results in more detail.

Thanks, John and good morning, everyone.

As Jim and John discussed this strong performance in our collection and disposal business again translated into solid operating EBITDA Brad.

As we have seen all year strong operating EBITDA growth combined with our disciplined focus on improving working capital have produced robust cash from operation.

The third quarter, our cash flow from operations grew about 9%.

$152 million.

Year to date cash from operations as a percentage of revenue has increased 60 basis points to 24.6%.

The strong cash flow from operations growth, we've seen all year has positioned us to proactively increase our capital expenditures from plans level.

During the third quarter, we spent $483 million on capital expenditure compared to $404 million on the third quarter of 2018.

In 2019, we are benefiting from lower cash taxes for three we have that.

Yes, I recently closed investment and low income housing properties and resulting federal credits.

Second benefits related to financing activities, we completed last quarter and third additional benefits, resulting from the filing of our federal income tax return.

We are very intentionally investing these cash tax savings in our landfill leak and recycling business.

We accelerated capital spending in the first nine months for the year to position our landfill towards on to the higher than anticipated volume growth we have been seeing.

We also made deliberate investments in our fleet, bringing the percentage of rabbit trucks running on natural gas to about 60% and increasing the number of automated side letters and the fleet by about 9%.

In addition, as we've completed design and construction of our Mark.

Sure we've invested capital in a facility that we think will become the gold standard for sorting and processor processing technology.

As a result to be retention on capital investment, we now expect full year capital expenditures to be above our guidance of $1.75 billion.

As Jim mentioned, we've invested in our renewable energy business to close the loop between our landfill gas MCM deeply.

Our capital expenditure guidance exclude different potential increase in renewable energy capital given the uncertain timing of the potential investments.

Because pricing for random declined significantly in 2019, we didn't make as large as an investment as we might have otherwise.

Full year capital spending for renewable energy plant is expected to be between 35 and $40 million for the year.

Moving to free cash flow.

Third quarter free cash flow with $478 million and year to date, our businesses generated $1.349 billion and free cash flow.

Despite elevated capital spending during the first nine months for the year, we expect to achieve full year free cash flow of between 2.0 to size and $2.075 billion as our rate of capital spending moderate and we realize matched with the cash tax benefit that I mentioned earlier.

And the third quarter, we used our free cash flow to pay $218 million in dividends and for $76 million in solid waste tuck in acquisitions.

Year to date, our acquisitions, excluding the pending acquisition of advanced disposal total to more than 500 million dollar.

As we've previously discussed given the pending acquisition Arabia, we've suspended our normal course share repurchases other than to offset dilution from equity compensation plans.

The share buyback that we executed during the first half of the year with sufficient to offset solution and so we have not repurchase any additional shares since the end of our second quarter.

There was a two cents impact to EPS in the first nine months of the year from our reduced level of share repurchases compared to guidance.

Expected to send impact in the fourth quarter.

These amounts are adjusted from our result.

Our effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2019 was 19.4%.

The rate is lower than previously communicated due to tax credits generated from the recently closed low income housing transaction and benefits, resulting from the filing of our federal income tax return, which is typically recognized in the third quarter.

We now expect our adjusted full year 2019 tax rate to be about 22%.

Our debt to EBITDA ratio measured based on our bank covenants with about 3.1 time, but the ended the quarter.

The sequential increase in this measure from the end of the second quarter is related to additional debt financing we executed in the quarter.

The next to funding Hds acquisition.

While the measure is trending higher as we approach the closing of 80, yes. It is within our targeted levels.

This is particularly impressive given that the measure does not yet have the benefit of Ats EBITDA.

Our strong balance sheet continues to Florida.

Financial flexibility to pursue strategic acquisitions at the right price.

Turning to SGN today for the third quarter as DNA costs as a percentage of revenue for 9.7% an increase over 2018, primarily due to the planned investments you're making in technology.

Year to date as DNA as a percentage of revenue was 10.1% on track to achieve our as CNH spending as a percentage of revenue guidance of about 10%.

We're proud of the results we've generated in the first three quarters of the year as we're positioned to achieve full year goal.

I want to thank all members of the waste management team I know they are hard at work on continuing to deliver a fantastic results in the fourth quarter and preparing for a great 2020.

With that let's open the lines for questions.

As a reminder to ask a question you made to press star one on your telephone enter the draw your question press the pound Keith.

Your first question comes from the line of Brian Maguire Goldman Sachs Goldman Sachs.

Sure.

Did I understand the gas credit headwind a little bit more I think you call that it's a three to four cents headwind for the full year.

Hi, translate that back to about $17 million to $22 million at EBITDA that you could just kind of confirm that and that I think you mentioned, maybe 8 million. It it was in Threeq Q.

I think you said 18 million was maybe the year to date impact. So I just wondered if you can kind of confirm that and then should we be thinking about a similar impact to 2020.

Or will this kind of largely be contains 2019 issue.

Yes, Brian good morning.

We really didn't talk about in the first quarter.

The first six months only because it was $4 million. So it wasn't really worth discussion.

You're right. It's it was 8 million in Q3, we expected to be another 8 million in them and we're talking to EBITDA here.

In Q4.

It's.

Interestingly, it's something that we that's been part of our business for a long time Weve, turning landfill gas energy for forever.

Mostly it's been in the form of electricity, we do have just to give a little context year 13 of these R&D plants that are owned by third parties and then we have three of our own.

Soon before we're building a fourth.

We don't have any additional plans to build further plants, but strategically makes a lot of sense for us to do it because were our fleet has gone from 40% CNG to 60% CNG in two years.

Regarding your question about what the expectation is for this.

In 2020.

I would tell you that.

The the front half the year may see some challenges just on a year over year comparative basis, but it's awfully hard to really say with any.

Kind of definitive necessary because.

As you probably know these rents credits are a bit of a political football and they've been getting kicked around quite a bit this year.

So.

Here's what I would tell you I think we are much closer to the bottom when we ought to the top I mean, when we these plants have really good returns and when we started building them. We were kind of right in the middle of where rents credit had been somewhere in that.

Hi of $3.

And and we were kind of that dollar 85 at the beginning of this year. They dip down to 50 cents, maybe a little bit below 50 cents.

In August and then they've come back a bit too I think 82 50 was last number I saw so.

They are very volatile.

And so it's a bit hard to say what next year looks like if I had the gas I would tell you it's going to be a little bit of a tough comparison in Q1 Q2, and then it gets quite a bit easier in Q3 in Q4, we'll know more as we get the February and we'll give guidance on that hopefully we're in a position where we don't have to talk about anymore, because it's it becomes.

Well, it's not really material, even with a million, but it's just suddenly call like was worth calling out I do not include refinery quickly because you did mention the $18 million that we referred to in him. His prepared remarks and that was relative to our plan, where when we spoke to the 4 million that we experienced in the first half of the year combined with the.

8 million in Q3 that was relative to prior year. So relative to plan. We expect this to be a headwind in the neighborhood of $25 million to $30 million that relative to prior year, that's more in that $17 million to $22 million range that you referenced.

Very clear makes sense.

And just given all that it's obviously impressive you're able to reiterate guidance range for the year, but would it I know you don't give quarterly guidance per se, but I just would it be right to think about we're now probably moving into the lower end of that range.

Yes, I think we're comfortable second we're just going to be within the range.

And.

We we've looked at this 15 different ways and feel like it has we have the opportunity to to finish in the middle the range, we could finish in the low end.

And.

Things really went rights, particularly with special waste.

Yes, we could actually finished at the higher under the right. So that's why we Didnt change, where we were going to finish we just felt like we were comfortable with the range that we had given originally.

Okay, Great and just last one from me for handed off for comments on the.

The industrial and special waste volumes slowing down a little bit.

I guess that makes sense given the macro news can you kind of remind as your exposure there as a percentage.

Kind of overall volumes and.

Yes is there potential for that to drive overall volume to a negative number next year. At this point are you still kind of thinking preliminarily that volume will be up a little bit next year.

So Brian . This is this is John Morris, what I would tell you. It was as we've looked at quarter over quarter over the last handful years gone backwards and Weve headquarters that were negative and some that have been positive double digit and we think a 4% special waste volume in Q4 on tough comp comps, we still feel good about that performance. There's certainly some some puts and takes or we do.

Let me just want to detail, but what I would tell you is our pipelines are still healthy and as Jim and I. Both commented there is a little bit of lack of visibility with some of our industrial customers, but again, we feel confident about where our pipeline is and where volumes are through nine months of the year, historically that 4% kind of on.

It's a number that that moves all over the page I mean, you know when you look back 12 or 16 quarters, we've had some.

Couple of quarters, there were as low as negative 3% and we've had a couple of quarters that were as high as 18%. So it's a number that bounces around a lot, but with 4% as John said pretty still pretty healthy all things considered.

No one thing that I would point to on your point of relative contribution. If you look at collection revenue our collection revenue for the quarter with $2.6 billion industrial specifically was $766 million on the collection side and the part that we see variability and as a fraction of that.

Got closer to more that's pending a 20%.

Industrial on the collection line of business.

Okay that really helps I appreciate it.

Yep.

Your next question comes from the line of shown Eastman Keybanc capital.

Thanks Sam.

Okay.

First one I just wanted to understand kind of this dynamic where we saw capex come in higher than expected in Threeq you. It doesn't make sense the strong volume growth needs to be matched with some capital investment but.

Given just you know.

Kind of a lighter special waste visibility commentary alongside that.

I'm wondering if.

I'm just wondering how things are shaping up relative to the kind of 2% volume trajectory thats built into the longer term target, whether we're looking higher than that or arm or below that at this point.

Sure. So I think the best indicator.

Volume expectations versus where we actually ended up we started the year expecting volume to be around 2% for the enterprise and instead we've.

Three nine month.

Produced 3.8% volume growth and collection and disposal and in the current quarter that was 2.7% and so that really is the primary driver of the capital expenditure acceleration that you've seen in 2019, particularly in the landfill line of business landfill volumes are up in the.

Current quarter, 3.1% and 5.6% I'm sorry, 7.4% for.

But the year to date period, so when we look at capital expenditures and what has driven our.

Very proactive an intentional investment it's been a driven by the landfill line of business, where that volume growth has exceeded our expectations.

Okay, Thanks, and I'm going to Miss.

I'm not sure I totally understand.

Hey, recycling was worse than expected in Threeq you.

Just given that the underlying commodity basket seem to have been fairly stable during the quarter just trying to understand the moving parts there.

I think Sean. This is this is John Morris I mean, the prices were down sequentially quarter over quarter by 40% I think was $86 million of price related revenue decline and EBITDA and that was only down $7 million. So we feel like that was a victory we've done a lot to to improve quality our residual upon.

Managed as Jim mentioned in his comments is down over 300 basis points. Its combination of educating our customers and doing a better job in the plan of controlling a control and quality. So we see that as a victory to lose 86 million and as I said in my comments in the old model that could have been eight to 10 cents of a headwind and instead. It was one so we view that as a positive and I think when we.

For the year, Sean I mean, we were at kind of $65 on a weighted average commodity price basis, and we thought we could could expected to stayed flat there because that was half of what had been the previous year. Yes. It. Obviously is on stayed flat. So in Q3 as John said it was down again not only youre.

Actually it's down to $38, which is thats our weighted average number so it's not a number you'd find anywhere, but we're still going from 65 to 38, and and showing really only $7 million of decline was we thought as John said a win for us.

In terms of our mitigation efforts.

Okay. Thanks, I appreciate the responses I'll turn it over.

Thanks.

Another question from the line of Milky Oppenheimer.

Thanks, very much just to pick it up there.

To manage the recycling headwind there.

It does appear pretty impressive, especially considering I think you lap the implementation of the contamination fees. This quarter. So I guess, what I want to understand is first to the contamination fees cover all of your third party contracted volumes or can you do more there and then as you alluded to in your prepared remarks, how large of a lever do you see some of these.

Technology investments and improving processing cost to improve EBITDA on the recycling line.

So I'll start with the last part first no I think when you look at so many investments, we're making in Chicago and we're making around the rest of the assets around robotics. So we can see in Chicago in particularly commented that operating costs in particular labor could come down as much as 40%.

And I think in terms of the first part of your question I mean, yes, we have left the implementation.

Our battle against contamination and somebody other fees that were assessing but again as evidenced by our results here in the third quarter, even though commodity prices continued to decline we didnt really successful in our view at closing the gap as to what otherwise would have been like I said earlier eight to 10 cents headwind on any.

And so part of that improvement is that now that youre contamination is lower you're getting a higher quality bail.

And so you're just getting more value on a relative basis on what you're seeing coming into the marks that fairway to put it.

As I mentioned, we've done a nice job of holding kind of our gross operating.

Cost per ton flat and we're improving residual which means we'll have more efficient more have more efficiency going through the plant and it also speaks to the education process and that we're improving the quality coming in the front of the facility as well.

I would add that while we have anniversaried the more significant step to roll out. The program. We are not at a 100% run rate and so some of what you saw on the third quarter was continued execution on that plan and and applying it to more of our customer base. So there was some benefit.

That change and the benefits of the battle against contamination and ebay program.

Okay, maybe just to add one more question.

You know you had a very tough comp this quarter on volume and you still got this volume growth the comps get tougher next quarter.

I mentioned, you're lapping the California wildfire in a couple of other special items can you can you maybe just talk Directionally I know its short term, but how we should think about the fourth quarter volume cadence.

Yes.

When we look at our volume and we'd occasionally talk about what we're seeing in the current months looks it's very early in the in the current fourth quarter, but still looks reasonably good looks similar to what we've seen and.

In Q3, which is as we said in our scripts.

Strong on those consumer driven volumes, which are commercial and.

CW and then.

Not as strong on the industrial side.

I think the Big story here is honestly and this report is less about volume because volume is reasonably consistent for us it's less about volume, it's more about price and it's more about disposal pricing I mean, you look at MSW and transfer station and that's an area that we've talked a lot about.

And you guys have asked a lot of questions, which is okay. Yes. So you guys talk about it but when is that what are we going to see the result, I think three consecutive quarters now MSW yield above 3% and growing rights I mean, MSW yield this quarter, 3.7%. It was 3.6 last quarter 3.4, and then honestly when I looked back trying to.

Find a number that was above 3.7, I could not find one for 10 years I don't know how far back. It goes before since we last had a 3.7% MSW, but I can tell you it wasn't it wasnt after 2009.

All the other books of my cabinet have been shredded I think so the 3.7 MSW yield is the big number really the volume number there about approaching kind of 1.9 approaching 2% there was a little bit volume that we moved out to a third party some of that will come back to us. So if you back to that and we would have been around 2% in MSR.

You volume, but again, a big Big News and this report is really about disposal pricing transfer station pricing was was 3.3%. That's on top of three four last quarter and then if you again similar to NSW you look back before that there's not a number on the page in terms of transfer station.

Thats Thats.

Approaching those numbers so.

I feel good about the volume up but what really gives me.

Real cause for optimism going into 2020 is the fact that we seem to be getting our our sea legs in terms of.

Disposal pricing and that is a big big change from where we've done over the last.

Decade.

Yes, it much appreciated and I'll leave my colleagues to follow up on the pricing front, but well done there.

All right. Thanks.

Another question from Michael Hoffman Stifel.

So you almost stole my Thunder, because I was going to say why are we focusing so much time on volume and let's talk about price. So can we talk about core price by line of business you talked about that occasionally industrial commercial residential landfill.

Yes, I mean look I think core price and John can tack on here core price was very strong I think the core price number for commercial was 6.7.

So commercial core price of 5.7% industrial was approaching 10% and residential which we've talked a lot about internally is 4.5% for the quarter, which is a really good indication.

Our efforts to continue to price that part of our business effectively.

Which has certainly been a challenge in the past and because of the investing to PPI that we often talk about but the real traction in each of the collection line lines of business to price above and beyond cost inflation and Michael. This is John I would add one thing obviously the common in the prepared remarks about what's happening with margin expansion in the collection.

Disposal business, but I would point you to the residential line when you see core price for the quarter, Florida half per cent for six year to date and yield numbers in residential.

The two or three four for the quarter and year to date those are numbers that we've been focused on we clearly had challenges moving that in the past, but when you talk about I know, we're going to get into prior question around CPI in the mix of how we're.

What rate mechanism, we're using to me that's a real good bellwether of the progress we're making in residential in terms of changing that model and I think I think Michael I mean, I know you've spent on time with John John has a lot of things on his plate as chief operating officer, but one thing that he has really focused on his residential and so he's he's.

You know should be credited for for a lot of work well done on that residential line of business, which is going to top line of business for us over the last.

Five or six years and were were again when you look at price I think you're right. Yes, we can talk about volume all day long buds and volumes. Okay. It's fine it's.

As we said, but prices is the news here and I Didnt say anything about residential price, but boy he's right about that that is a really good story for us on residential pricing. In addition of what we talked about on the disposal site.

And your internal costs of inflation still running somewhere between two and a half in three net of productivity. So there's there's proof of the operating leverage.

One number you didn't give me as the landfill core price, but thats proves showed the operating leverage.

Landfill core price of 4% in the quarter transportation was 3.1 going to Jim comments earlier about disposal pricing really being a bright spot for us in the quarter.

And so Jim you've talked about in the past 16 of the Twentyth largest sem assays big landfills or Phil full everyday when you and you see volume going by you and where you think about that book alone.

What what do you what's the visibility on how many more years you could be doing this pretty well on upon the pricing at the disposal. Because you know this volumes going by you that it allows you to keep pricing until you finally reduce your own volume.

I think it'll be well outside of my career and I'm not prepared to say what my career is going to be here, but it will be.

Look I to we're excited about you know.

Core price.

For for landfill in that.

5.7% range in yields for MSW at 3.7, and the numbers we've talked about.

But I would tell you this.

As you just said we have we have great assets here and there is no reason to expect that we should be able to get those kinds of numbers.

Going forward for the foreseeable future. This is not something where I look at it go okay. Yes.

Good core price for three quarters with this thing ends in Q2 of next year No I think this thing.

And go on for a long time, driving and this by the way it sounds like we're not expecting to get called from incentive Subcommittee anytime and be asked why are you throw in 15% on your on your landfills.

It's 3.7% MSW. So it's not it's not obscene at all it's just really going to two recovering cost.

And hopefully, adding a little bit of margin expansion, if I would add one thing Michael one thing that we all pay particular attention to Jim mentioned that I mentioned it it's not just the landfills. It's the network and the performance of our transfer station is improving as also another indicator of how will that networks performance.

Well, it's an extension to the gate so by definition it ought to be in line. If it's not then youre, giving it away at one and trying to making up the other.

Exactly right, which is not trying to do.

Yes don't subsidize the competitor, so, let's try and put volume to bed once.

You all have a asset mix and got graphic concentration that would lend itself to consistently producing a good volume number relative to a comparison because the nature of that makes you want to sort of refresh us on that and why we ought to remember that and then put it into the contact.

Cost of volume your your asset mix is positioned to naturally capture what you should get and you're well positioned to do a little bit better than the average.

So I go ahead, I would say that what we tend to talk about and you've hit on it with the 16 at 20 largest MSR is having the best place assets in those markets, what that's about as being well placed in markets that we see routes and so at waste management, we focus.

Extensively on not just leveraging the best asset network in the business today, but thinking about how we will be position is elaborate that asset network over the long term and where when you look at the North American economy, we see urbanization as a trend and one that is benefiting those well placed asset.

Yeah, one thing I would add to that Michael is that.

We talked a lot about the investment we're making in digital and.

The digital teams done a great job and the reason we're doing this has is to differentiate ourselves. So we obviously feel differentiated with our asset network.

We wanted to add a second form of differentiation, which is bringing a.

A different digital.

Approach to our customers, both internal and external customers a couple of examples here, we rolled outside open market residential tool.

Probably a year or so ago ads now as a 40% of all of our new open market residential customers are going through that tool. It's been very well received the feedback from our customer base has been excellent.

We think that 40% number will eventually go too.

Higher number in fact, it'll it'll.

In short order I think it will be the majority, meaning over 50% of those customers that come and we'll go directly through that new customer facing digital application.

The commercial tool, which rolled out only a couple of months ago has.

Certainly a much lower number than at 40%, but it is growing at a fast pace and back last number that I heard was that we put that number is tripling so.

We think that in addition to having a really good in fact best in class.

Network of assets, we are rightly spending dollars in the digital space to differentiate ourselves. So that so differentiation will not just the in terms of asset location, but it will be in terms of customer facing.

Acknowledged.

Okay.

Divina on the capital spending cash flow and all of that type of ribbon around you you said, we would be higher than 71.7.

5 billion, but you didn't say what that number should be for us to model for the remainder of the year. So what should we be thinking about full year capital spending and can you do 24% of revenues as cash flow from option in the fourth quarter.

Sure So I'll take the capital spending Keith first and.

Have you look at capital spending through nine months, we are at.

$1.532 billion, so rounding out the back half back part of the year, we think that will be around 1.8 billion. We've provided a range in our press release tables that shows 1.775 to one eight to 5 billion as kind of an indication of where we think we.

And that from a cash flow from operations perspective that really is one of the best indicators of how we're performing and conversion of revenue year to cash from ops is certainly a strengthened we are 60 basis points through nine months I expect you'll see as soon as strong and.

Right now every indication is 24.6% would effectively if we rounded out there that's a 70 basis point improvement for the full year.

Okay tend to do that you just have to do 24 in the fourth quarter to just to be clear I mean.

It does have to improve from here. It just has to hold at the 24.

That's right right, Okay, and then churn in the quarter, how was it compared to year over year in sequentially.

Churn was 9.8% in the quarter, that's a little higher than we spend both year over year and sequentially, but it's driven by national account.

Losses that we were very intentional and disciplined about ensuring that we were pricing business that was renewing appropriately and we're satisfied that nonrenewals on those contracts with the right decision for us because it didnt reflect pricing that was representative of our costs.

I would say and year to date that number's better by about 20 basis points, Michael Okay. Perfect Alright. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of luck Newville Scotiabank.

Maybe if I can just pricing so another way.

Obviously seeing very good pricing sort of across network.

Perhaps maybe industrials.

Maybe you're not seeing when maybe a slowing a bit.

Maybe some of the macro can be slowing, but you're doing making investments in the business I'm. Just curious when you look to 2021, you've got good visibility, but I'm just curious if the bias.

Do you think is higher or lower from 2018.

Yes, so and you're talking about specifically around industrial the industrial side of business with respect to pricing is evident mark well, I guess industrial and the other parts of business as well or industrial and consolidated.

Yes, so so let's tackle industrial first I mean core price of industrial was really strong I mean, almost 10% 9.9%.

Our and that translated into strong yield as well and 3.8% so thats for that line of business specifically.

And then volume in industrial was.

Maybe a little bit weaker than than we might have expected it was 1.2%.

That's not.

Assigning to be usually concern about but it certainly is not off the charts. I mean, if you look back historically at industrial volume and by the way the industrial we think of it as roll off I mean, it's called industrial it's a little bit misleading because that's not necessarily all industrial type customers. It's it's the roll off line of business, one 1.2 per se.

Sense.

Volume there.

Was.

Nothing to write home about but not anything.

Super concerning it was on top of sequentially, 1.2% last quarter 3.1, 0.09. So you got on track with where we've been for the last three or four quarters in terms of volume, but again the price side has been.

What's what's the big news for Us and it's almost every line of business, whether its commercial if I walk you down the core price numbers. There. They are impressive 5.7 for commercial 9.9 for industrial 4.5, and we've talked about all these numbers today. So all of them show that we still have really good pricing power lot of it is in the differentiate.

And that we talked about whether it is in our asset network or whether it's on the digital or whether it's on a focus on the customer I mean, it's a third thing that we that we really are doing differently from two or three years ago were really really.

We are focused on the customer so I would tell you that thats.

The health of the business is is as we said still.

Very good and what we hear everyday in the news is at the consumer economy is 70% of the overall, it's probably a light percentage for us so 70% of our overall business.

Feels really good from both a price and volume standpoint, the other 30 feels still very good but just a bit of a wait and see mode. In some cases with respect to this event type work I hopefully that answered your question.

That's helpful.

Maybe.

On the recycling just want to understand the guys.

I believe it's sort of consistent with where you said Q2, so it's not incrementally to one two cents. So that was suggests I guess Q4. The headwind is about three cents year over year, if I'm interpreting that correctly.

So yes, the benefit in the first half the year was $17 million and in Q3. It was a negative seven so that implies that we think we've got about two cents.

As of exposure in the back half two to three effectively to get you to the full year guide of one to two right and I guess similar to the rent discussions first half of next year is tough comps.

So I don't have an impacts first off next year as well.

Paul that's exactly right, yes, I know, it's hard it's so hard to predict that I mean, I mean, it literally is.

It's gone from 50 cents 82 cents on period of two months so.

And that kind of is the mirror effect from the first six months, where we where it took a big slides so.

To the extent that this continues to get.

Knocked around politically than we don't expect much.

But we do expect that probably will be some resolution on this either as we approach or after the election. So yeah I would say, it's probably safe to say on ran pricing. That's the first two quarters are going to be a difficult comparison at than it gets much easier as we get into the back half 2020.

All right maybe just one last one then so advanced.

This acquisition is there any sort of milestones or anything we can be.

Looking out for the next few months sort of as the Q1.

Yes, Mark this is John Morris I mean honestly similar to comments for the last quarter. I mean, we continue to work down the path with the regulators and we remain on track and feel good about about our timing for Q1 or 2020 Theres nothing that we've seen the days that were to cause us to amend that timeline.

But no we still feel good about the track lot for Q1 I.

I think in terms of you're asking about a milestone really the next significant milestones to get is to clear HSR.

Thats, we're working towards right now.

Got it alright, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Another question from the line of Derek Spronck RBC.

For taking my questions just quickly on the coal ash any updates on the call last opportunity in any changes in the EPA regulation there.

Look I would tell you that that this is something we've.

We talked about in the past it looks like a great opportunity for US we've got several.

John talked about our special waste pipeline and that is included in our specialties pipeline I mean, there's.

There's.

We've we've managed I think 33 million tons of CCRC for our electric utility customers.

And so I think but we see this as a as a big opportunity for US we talked a couple of years ago about Duke energy as being one of our customers and I think that ramped up.

Earlier this year.

But we still I think we have John a couple of.

RFP is out there with that.

I think we're still and wait and see mode on and whether those.

Our kind of get kind of following the same bucket is our other special waste type customers, where they are in wait and see mode. I don't know because some of those.

Particularly by states.

Our almost a requirements in terms of.

Getting those bonds cleaned out so I don't know that those are going to be as discretionary as some of our other special waste volume, but suffice it to say, we feel like we're well positioned.

Whether it's beneficial reuse, whether its management and disposal or or just straight disposal at our landfills.

To take advantage of CCRC.

I think thats right generic we offer full suite of services for those for those customers nuts and that certainly why we've been able to gain some of the traction we have to date.

Okay, that's great.

Moving on to to be cost side, I mean, we've seen tight labor markets.

We've also seen some unionize disruptions at that time at some of the.

Pure firms there.

What is the labor inflation looking like and are you comfortable with the overall.

Ability to attract employees into the firm.

So Derek this is John a couple answers here one we've talked a lot about turnover and the impact Thats had on the operation in our efforts around.

Furthering our people first efforts. The good news is we are starting to see some turnover Monterrey.

Wage inflation is still higher than the average for overall inflation, but the good news is we're starting to see a little bit a moderation there I wouldn't say, it's it's not gone down significantly, but it's flattening out and starting to regress in certain markets, which were encouraged by the fact, when I turn it over as many people obviously helps as well I think on the collect.

Bargaining front thankfully I mean, we don't want to see any disruption in the industry.

Thankfully for us we're not in the middle of any of those of any of those issues right now.

Let's say one other thing because this this is especially important topic to me I. When we think about people I mean, I've talked a lot about it and it is the really the core tenant of my kind of CEO ship, if you will so.

We we set out three years ago to really change the culture here.

We hired Tamils forney about a year ago, maybe a little less as a true world class leader and.

HR. She is has been running hard in the last 10 or 11 months really changing helping me change the culture, and helping us transformed us and we and she's doing some really innovative things along with their team. So we're super excited about the the people side of our business and while that doesn't necessarily show results.

On kind of a quarter basis. It it will absolutely show results as we get out into 2020 2021 and beyond.

Okay, and just as quickly quantitatively could we did just 10% SDMA costs as a percent of revenue does that sound about right.

Certainly for 2019, it's too early for us to look too far out because we're making is intentional investments both in people as Jim just commented on but also in technology and so not specifically speaking to 2020 at this point because it's too early for us to give that kind of guidance for 2019.

Confirming we expect to hit 10% of about 10% of revenue for the year.

And with commodity price pressure in the current year that certainly a little more challenging than we thought it would be when we started the year, but.

Certainly happy with the cost control side of the equation.

Okay. Thanks for the time I'll turn it over.

Thanks.

Next question comes from the line of Jeff Silber BMO capital markets.

Recycling, but I just had one follow up there you had mentioned in your remarks about.

We've been going back to customers and trying to restructure your contracts with them can you give us some sort of order of magnitude what percentage of those contracts you might be restructuring and where you are along on that base. Thanks.

Yeah, I think the a big chunk of the volume that we are addressing through those contracts is franchise in municipal contracts Jeff.

Well I think by the end of the or we should be 55, 60% through those contracts.

I will tell you, though what's important to note, though more broadly when you talk about Q3's recycling results of 86 million decline and 7 million of EBITDA.

As commodity prices, we continue to move we continue to address the relationship between us and the customers, but specifically to your question where about we're probably about halfway through.

Most of those franchising municipal contracts and as we spoke about in quarters before those contracts generally run three to five years, some a little bit longer some a little bit less so it does take some from the work our way through this.

Okay. Appreciate the color again, and I know, you're not giving 2020 guidance, but just for modeling purposes, what should we be using for tax rate next year and also for capital expenditures are you going to be within that nine and a half the tenant 5% of revenues that you gave your long term guidance are high and low into that any color would be great. Thanks.

Sure on the tax rate side. This year, we expect it to be at 24% and we're finishing the year at about 20 to one percentage points and that has to deal with the incremental low income housing tax credit investment that we may we do have some like amounts that are rolling off and the year ahead. So I would tell you that we expect next year to.

The in that 23, and a half the 24 and a half range I can't put a finer point on it at this point, but with regard to capital spending.

As I mentioned.

Landfill volume has been the driver of the current here.

While we aren't specifically pointing to.

Expectation is for landfill volume and the year ahead, when we look at MSW volumes as a really good indicator of that kind of long term growth expectation NSW volumes for the year and 4.6% and so.

While nine and a half that tenant a half percent would typically reflect our expectations for more like a 2% growth in volume. If we continue to see elevated landfill volumes above that long term range of two 2.5% well, we'll have to consider whether or not nine and a half the tenant a half is representative of what.

Needed to support the business I think the good news Divina isn't the collection and disposal business, even though the capex has been a little more intense showing up.

The mid everybody comment about earlier on.

Okay Thats it. Thanks, so much for any additional color appreciate it.

Yes. Thanks.

Another question from the line of silo ground Leland team.

Morning.

Hey, Divina I, just want to talk cash taxes real quick.

You noted cash taxes are going to be better. This year wondering if you could give us what the cash tax as a percentage of the books will roughly be this year and how do we think about that next year will it creep up.

So for nine months word about 73% techniques that will finish the year close to the 70 it'll be in that range, 70% to 75%, which is about where we expected. When we started the year. So in spite of having a 75 million dollar headwind at the beginning of the year on a year over year basis in cash taxes.

Given some of those benefits I mentioned, we think we'll be able to moderate at toward the low end at that range and the year ahead.

We do expect cash taxes, as a percentage of but to increase I don't specifically knows what level at this point, okay. So modest headwind. Okay. That's helpful. And then Jim just obviously the three seven on MSW yield is really positive, but I'm curious is being driven by a specific geography or maybe even a few specific land.

Fills or are we talking just really broad based pricing.

Okay pricing I don't take a driven necessarily by geography volume, maybe I mean, the volume as has been a bit stronger in the south.

Is there as you might expect like Florida, and Texas, California, but.

The pricing I think it's a it's pretty universal I think we've done a good job across all of our disposal assets in terms of getting strong price.

Okay. That's great and then just my last one John I Hope you can follow me here, but if I was to break your recycling business maybe into two buckets. So basically were you own a murph and you've got a third party tipping and then maybe where your hauling and tipping either at your own or another person's Merck. So maybe think about it those two ways. So basically is it.

Situation that when you are taking in third party volume into your own Murph are you guys fully earning an adequate return on that line and really the pain is in recycling, where you sit in an old contracts, where you're picking up in hauling and taking it either internally or elsewhere is that what the right way to think about.

It.

Here's the way I would answer that Tyler is is there certain aspects of this recycling issue they've been easier to address certainly the open market commercial customers would be one we kind of.

Refer to as phase two phase one is more about recycling material coming into farmer, where it does get more challenging is where we're taking recycling material to a third party.

Or were or where do your to use your freight spoken to in a contract that that's what we refer to as phase three and our plan and to an earlier question. We're about halfway through that process, but that is more the pain point than than the first two areas that I referenced okay.

Talking about the.

You're talking what they basically the processing of our own material at our plants versus third party is that what's your kind of asking yeah. I mean, basically it seems with the processing fees, it's easier if it's coming in from a third party. That's more addressable quickly and believe me I know all about your open market because you guys Hall for me and my comment.

Reggie subscription model and you have you changed my Bill So it's I see it getting address there.

But it's Brian Thank you.

Yes. Thank you.

But my question is is it in knows where you're in a muni contract did maybe you can't really address at the moment and you're bringing it into a third party or you bring it even into your own where you really feeling the pain and so John when you talk about 50% to 60%.

Is it that your is that the entire book or is it just that third phase that you're talking about.

It's just that third phase Tyler, but huge your point you bifurcated that one other time, meaning between we have those contracts where processing are picking up and processing ourselves and then we have contracts were picking up and for whatever the reason, we're having somebody else processor, but that is that third phase and that is the one that's obviously going to longer tail on it in terms of working your way through all the contract.

Okay point about returns I think what's really important there is it's not just the mirth itself that we're looking for the return on we're looking at the investment that we make in the truck in the driver and provide that.

So it's ensuring that we addressed that part of the business that a long term returns and viability of recycling overall to get returns not just on the merger, but on the collection assets as well.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you for indulging me appreciate it.

Thanks Tyler.

Next question comes from the line of Michael Feniger Bank of America.

Hey, guys, yes. Thanks for squeezing me in I know, we're coming up on the our past. It just I know you mentioned, Jim I think California, you said it wrapped up in August you just help us on the wildfires and the cleanup in the first nine months is that.

That close to 10 cents EPS benefit I'm, just trying to gauge how much data that that helped the last nine months.

I don't have the year number the quarter ended the quarter number was a 9 million dollar impact on EBIT at 10.7 million dollar impact on revenues. So.

From an EBITDA perspective, it was ballpark $40 million sitting here I think what's what's important there. Michael This is John as we've called out the wildfires for short really unfortunate circumstances that we are obviously, helping those folks cleanup.

But we kind of look at them. We've commented before we have some kind of those puts and takes in the business. It seems like every year in different geographies. So it's easy to strip out, California, but notably in fairness, we could go back and look at the at year to date 18, and Q3 in 18 and there is some puts and takes there as well. So it is a little bit it's hard to just say, we're going to strip out Cal.

For California from the math, but not look at the past year, but as we've commented we really haven't adjusted a lot of the out because we look at that is kind of the way the business runs year on year out and it's been a historical experience, we've done well and to John's point on here and then you're out I do think it's worth commenting that the wildfire impact did start.

2018, and our fourth quarter of 2018 had about $12 million of wildfire impacts in it. So when you think about the comp that we have and Q4, that's one of the items that we have our eye on.

That's helpful. And then can you just if can you remind us how much is how much is CPI and obviously this year. She has trended lower so I know there's more of the mechanical question I guess, how how does that impact the pricing how do we think about that in the second half a 20.

I can see Guy was I think was 1.9% for the year and we are the economist who use was projecting kind of about that maybe 2% or 2.1% for next year. So.

If you look at it very kindly it could be 10 basis points of upheld next year, but we're not really I think we'll probably bacon flat with CPI when we when we finalize our plan.

Fair enough and then just on just on my last one just on recycling I mean, obviously the spin asked a lot I'm just curious if we just take the price of your basket right now as of today and I know Theres a lot of moving parts just just run rate. It. So we can just clear the deck here like what would the EBITDA and EPS impact be for 2000.

20, given where the basket is right now we just run rate it.

So I think the easiest way to think about that Michael is that you look at as I mentioned earlier Q1 in Q2 at this year was a 17 million dollar year over year benefit and Q3 was a 7 million dollar hit and so as you think about where prices were at the beginning of the year as Jim mentioned that kind of that 70 $65 range.

I think where they are today I think that's the biggest driver to that variability that.

That I mentioned, so I think you can think of it in terms of aggregating the.

$17 million as risk and effectively you Ben level widening the back half of the year. So I would say, it's about $20 million a downside.

Running that into the first half of 2020.

Very helpful. Thank you.

Okay.

There are no further questions over the phone you May proceed. Thank you.

Okay. Thanks, just to just wanted to do a quick recap here because we're really proud of the numbers that in an economy that don't know what it is but I've heard as could be as low as 1.5% GDP for the for the quarter maybe 2%.

Just to kind of recap some numbers, we've talked about 9% cash from operations growth almost 8% collection and disposal EBITDA growth revenue growth topline of 3.8%, Matt that includes an $86 million headwind from recycling on the revenue side, and then overall EBITDA growth of 3.1% and.

Then all the price stuff that we talked about and here's where I'll give the credit for this we've got 45000 employees out there that work really really hard every day.

That said that that if you're an industry should I want to trash company and black I could not agree more with that.

And I think the big reason for that is that no. One in this industry works harder than than the employees of waste management and I would tell you that look as an industry not just a waste management as an industry. This is such a hard working industry. It makes me proud to be here. So.

With that so I would tell you that the astrazeneca workable harder Tonight, but thank you very much for joining us go Astros.

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