Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Welcome to the Brink's company's third quarter 2019 earnings call.
Brink's issued a press release on third quarter results. This morning.
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Thanks drew good morning, everyone. Joining me today, our CEO , Doug purge and CFO Ron Domanico.
This morning, we reported third quarter results on both the GAAP and non-GAAP basis.
non-GAAP results exclude a number of items, including Venezuela operations, the impact of Argentina's highly inflationary accounting.
Reorganization and restructuring cost.
Items related to acquisitions and assist dispositions.
Cost related to an internal off and cost related to certain accounting compliance matters.
We're also providing an analysis of our results on a constant currency basis, which eliminates changes in foreign currency exchange rates from the prior year.
We believe non-GAAP results make it easier for investors to assess operating performance between periods Accordingly, our comments today, including those referring to our guidance focused primarily on non-GAAP result.
Reconciliations of the non-GAAP to GAAP results are provided in the press release.
Appended to the slides were using today and in this morning's 8-K filing all of which can be found on our website.
Finally page three of the press release provides the details behind or 2019 guidance, including revenue operating profit Noncontrolling interest income taxes.
Adjusted EBITDA.
I'll now turn the call over to Doug birds.
Thanks, Ed and good morning, everyone.
Today, we reported solid growth in revenue operating profit adjusted EBITDA and EPS, despite currency headwinds that were much stronger than expected.
FX translation reduced operating profit by $17 million more than $6 million higher than we anticipated in our prior guidance.
Thanks to strong are going organic and acquisition related growth in North and South America segment's operating segment operating profit or operating profit before corporate expenses increased 18%.
And it was up 28% on organic basis, and 33% on a constant currency basis.
Total operating profit, which included higher quarterly corporate expenses was up 7% on a reported basis and 25% in constant currency.
These higher third quarter corporate expenses included 5 million of expenses related to share based comp and higher insurance premiums to get or together, reducing profit growth by about 5%.
These cost Winter addition to our planned spending of about $5 million for strategy to point L. development at approximately $2 million of IP upgrades also in corporate expense.
Corporate expenses can vary from quarter to quarter compared to last year and sequential quarters as demonstrated by this quarter.
However, our for your corporate expenses are projected to be in line with our forecast supporting our guidance earnings growth in the mid teens it will talk about today.
On a strategic fun, we continued we're continuing to execute on our strategy, one I know organic growth initiatives, taking them wider and deeper throughout our global footprint.
These initiatives have already driven substantial profit growth and in some and with some new improvement initiatives will be critical drivers do the expanded margins. We are targeting over our next year three year plan period.
Supporting our strategy 1.5 in the quarter, we completed the acquisition of Tvs, a small cash management business in Colombia.
Our largest acquisition to date Dunbar is making significant contributions to our U.S. resolves. The integration of this acquisition is progressing well and we expect to execute and we expect to exceed our targeted cost synergies of 45 million by the end of 2020.
Our new three year plan will include a third tier strategy two point <unk>, which is aimed at expanding our presence in the global cash ecosystem.
We're developing 2.0 this year for initial role in early 2020.
Finally, we've adjusted our full year 2019 guidance to reflect the higher than expected impact of FX.
In the third and fourth quarter. This year before your negative translational FX impact is now expected to be $80 million, an increase of $20 million over prior guidance.
On an operational basis, our guidance has not changed.
Turning to the next line.
Revenue for the quarter was up 8% and operating profit rose 7%.
As stated in the last slide translational FX rates reduced reported were earnings by 17 million of which 6 million was greater than what we had originally assumed in our guidance.
At previous guidance FX rates operating profit would have been 14% over the prior year, even with the higher corporate expenses, we mentioned earlier.
We also achieved solid growth in adjusted EBITDA and earnings per share both in constant currency and on reported basis, Ron will provide more details on these and other financial metrics in a few minutes.
Turning to slide five.
Led by Mexico, and the U.S., our North American operations achieved double digit growth in revenue and operating profit both on a reported and on a constant currency basis.
You asked reported revenue growth profit revenue and profit growth of 22% and 17% respectively due primarily to the Dunbar acquisition.
It's important to note. The U.S. non-GAAP results include approximately $5 million related to the settlement of a class action lawsuit and integration expenses that reduced its margin rate to 6.4% in the quarter. Excluding these items the U.S. margin rate was approximately 8%.
Clearly the U.S. quarterly results were not as clean as I would like them to have been.
However, we're confident that even with these added cost our U.S. business will exit the fourth quarter and its targeted 10% margin rate and achieve a four year margin rate of at least 8%.
It's important remember that we started our three year plan in 2017, when we started our U.S. margin was less than 1%.
As I just mentioned, we continue to expect the integration of the Dunbar.
Dunbar into our U.S. operations to deliver synergies in excess of 45 million by the end of next year.
We recently completed the rebranding of all Dunbar operations closed or consolidated 21 branches to date and are in the process of migrating to a new common see I'd operating system for both businesses.
And as we stated we expect continued strong profit growth in the U.S. next year, and we're targeting 13% margin in 2021.
Mexico continues to deliver strong revenue and profit growth.
In fact, I want to again congratulate the Mexico team for exceeding their three year margin target. That's three years through 2018, which was 15% in just two years through last year.
And they're continuing their path to improve margins this year and willing to into the future.
In South America reported revenue was up 6% and margins grew 28%. Despite FX translation that reduced revenue by $39 million and profit by $15 million.
Organic profit rose, 54% and 18% organic on 18% organic revenue growth.
In constant currency revenue was up 24% and profit rose 60 plus percent.
Argentina, and Brazil, where the primary drivers of the improved results.
The old results included positive contribution to the successful integration of wrote a bond acquisition.
These results demonstrate that our underlying operationally operations continued to perform very well despite our strong currency headwinds.
Our inflation based price increases in Argentina combined with the recent volume growth are beginning to offset the pesos dramatic devaluations since mid 2018, including August of this year.
For 2019, we're now assuming an average of 50 pesos versus the US dollars with an average for the fourth quarter of 67 pesos to the U.S. dollar.
Well be keeping an eye on next week's elections in Argentina, which could cause further volatility in the pesos value.
Before turning over to Ron I should mention that revenue in the rest of the World segment was relatively flat with reported operating profit up 5% and 6% up on an organic basis.
France is by far the largest country in this segment and it is achieved solid profit growth in the quarter. Thanks to improved efficiencies and positive enter the positive impact of tennis integration.
We look forward to continuing this improvement both now.
This year excuse me and into next year and now have review financials by Ron Thanks, Doug and good day, everyone. I understand we may be having a little technical issue with the slides were trying to get that address right away or the the slides.
Posted to the website, but I will go on with the the script and we will get that technical issue resolved as soon as possible turning to slide seven a constant currency revenue growth was 14% split equally between organic results and acquisitions revenue was reduced by 49.
$10 or 6% from negative Forex reported revenue was $925 million up 8% versus the third quarter last year.
Third quarter constant currency operating profit grew 25%.
Organic results included $31 million increase and segment operating profit that was partly offset by 12 million in higher corporate charges.
The corporate increase included $7 million and strategy to point out and I T investment Threemillion and higher noncash share based compensation and 2 million of increased insurance costs.
Acquisitions added $5 million, an operating profit the majority coming from wrote a bond that closed in January this year and Dunbar that closed last August .
Negative Forex translation reduced operating profit by 18% or $17 million.
Which Doug is said was 6 million worse than prior guidance.
Reported operating profit was $102 million and the operating margin was 11.1%.
Nine month amounts are included at the bottom of the slide.
The year to date revenue per cent changes are similar to the third quarter.
Year to date operating profit was up 38% in constant currency in up 14% after forex.
Versus prior guidance, the $6 million, an incremental negative forex translation reduced year to date operating profit growth by 2%.
Moving to slide eight.
This slide bridges third quarter operating profit to income from continuing operations and then to adjusted EBITDA.
The variance from the prior year is the bottom of the slide.
Third quarter 2019, operating profit of $102 million was reduced by 22 million of net interest, which was up 6 million versus the same period last year attributed to higher net debt associated with the acquisitions.
Tax expense of 25 million was 2 million favorable versus prior year as higher income was offset by a 270 dip reduction in the non-GAAP effective tax rate.
The non-GAAP VTR was 34.2% in 2018 and for the first half of 2019, we estimated the t. are at 33%.
Based on improved expectations to utilize tax credits and other attributes in the third quarter, we reduced the expected 2019 80 are to 31.5%.
Last years by out of our minority partner in Colombia cut controlling non controlling interest in half.
Third quarter 2019 income from continuing operations.
$54 million divided by 51.1 million weighted average diluted shares outstanding generated one dollar and five cents in earnings per share and 11% increase from last year.
Depreciation and amortization added 36 million relatively flat with last year DNA is growing slower than we expected primarily due to the timing of capital investments.
Interest and taxes added $47 million and noncash share based compensation added 10 million.
In total 2019 third quarter, adjusted EBITDA was $145 million.
Moving to slide nine.
This slide illustrates the expected impact of translation fourx or a full year guidance to our new guidance.
The impact of the devaluation of the Argentine peso is shown in the bottom of each bar the devaluation impact of all other currencies is shown in the top of each bar.
Our prior 2019 guidance anticipated that Forex would reduce full year operating profit by $60 million devaluation through the third quarter 2019 was already 58 million driven not only by the Argentine peso, but also the Brazilian real high and the euro which each hit.
A two year low in the third quarter.
We expect $22 million in additional negative Forex impact in the fourth quarter 2019, bringing the full year impact operating profit to approximately $80 million.
Our guidance is being reduced by the 20 million dollar expected change in devaluation. There is no change in our operating guidance in constant currency.
As a reminder for extra brings his translational not transactional the vast majority of our revenue and expenses are in local currency.
Concerning Argentina, we successfully operated there for more than 20 years throughout continual devaluation, including many significant shocks, we've historically been able to offset the translation impact via inflation based price increases.
Through nine months and 2019, we've realized a 37% price increase which has more than offset wage increases.
Moving to slide 10.
We bridge 2018 actual results to our prior guidance and then to our current guidance.
[noise] 2018, adjusted EBITDA was $512 million operating profit was 347 million with a 10.1% margin and EPS was $3.46.
We continue to expect organic operating profit to grow a $113 million up 33% and acquisitions to contribute an additional 35 million to drive total constant currency operating profit growth of 43%.
We're investing at least $20 million.
Strategy, 2.0 initiatives and I T platforms and security.
Negative Forex was estimated to be 60 million and we guided 2019 full year adjusted EBITDA to a range of $590 million to $610 million and operating profit to $405 million to $425 million.
As we just reviewed negative forex is expected to that $20 million worse than originally forecasted and we've reduced our full year guidance accordingly.
That is the only change in our guidance and we expect our results on a constant currency basis to meet or exceed our original expectations.
From an operational perspective, we're focused on those items within our control.
Excluding forex and the strategy 2.0, when I see investment you can see that the constant currency operating profit would increase about 43%.
Including the planned investment in strategy 2.0 initiatives and I see platforms insecurity were up 37%.
Turning to slide 11.
Forecasted 2019 full year free cash flow of $200 million is $20 million lower than we projected last quarter. The reduction is due entirely to the Forex impact described previously.
Adjusted EBITDA at the midpoint of the revised guidance is $570 million.
Working capital and cash restructuring and that is estimated at approximately 70 million, which includes new acquisitions and accelerating restructuring at existing and acquired businesses.
Cash taxes are projected around $40 million favorable due to the timing of refunds expected cash interest of 80 million remained the same while the 180 million projection for cash capital expenditures was reduced due to timing and the capacity for additional lease financing.
It's important to note that while operating profit and earnings are historically skewed to the second half cash flow is even more so free cash flow in the third quarter 2019 was $90 million.
Slide 12 illustrates our net debt and financial leverage both historically and assuming synergies for completed acquisitions through 2020.
Our net debt at the end of 2019 is projected to be approximately $1.35 billion. That's up about 150 million over year end 2018, as investment and acquisitions is reduced by cash flow after dividends.
At the end of 2019, our pro forma leverage based on fully Synergized adjusted EBITDA should be approximately 2.2 turns.
Since 2017, we've completed approximately $1.1 billion in acquisitions, which had been accretive to earnings the acquisition pipeline today is more robust than when we started.
Both in the potential number of transactions and total enterprise value.
The grey bars on each half of this slide illustrates the impact of another billion dollars and potential acquisitions at an average post integration multiple of 6.5.
The grey bar on the left shows that the potential incremental investment could be funded entirely by debt. The grey bar on the right illustrates that pro forma adjusted EBITDA, including 12 months of estimated synergy should increase by approximately $155 million and leverage would be about 3.0.
Turns.
We expect that cash flow from our existing business combined with the additional acquisitions could reduce leverage back to two turns within three years we.
We continue to get questions about how the company could perform across economic cycles. Our revenue is highly recurring with most business under multiyear contracts. Many contracts include fuel surcharges surcharges and or CP, VI escalators, which protect margins.
Cash gross through all cycles, but especially when credit Titans and should unemployment increase we would expect workforce benefits through greater retention and moderated wage inflation.
But ultimately the strength of our balance sheet should facilitate success through economic cycles with that I'll now hand, it back over to Doug.
Thanks, Ron turning to slide 13.
It summarizes our first strategic plan, which we rolled out at our Investor day back in early 2017.
Strategy 1.0 is focused on executing internal improvement initiatives to drive organic growth and close the margin gap with our competitors by the end of this year. These initiatives are expected to help us achieve close to $300 million of operating profit.
On top of this our strategy 1.5 is expect to add another $100 million in profits from the 13 acquisitions. We've already completed so far with for total consideration of about $1.1 billion. Together strategy 1.1, 0.5 are expected deal close to $400 million of operating profit and.
$570 million of adjusted EBITDA.
Representing an operating profit compound annual growth rate of 22% and EBITDA compound annual growth rate of 19% over the three year period, ending 2019, and both strategies will be key components of our next three years Street strategy beginning this next year.
Our next strategic plan will expand the number of strategy want while organic growth and margin improvement initiatives drive these initiatives deeper into our operations and leverage them into more of our global operations. We call. This next stage of strategy 1.0 wider and deeper.
Even the margins have increased by over 300 basis points in the last three years Theres plenty of runway through additional margin expansion from already launched initiatives such as route optimization and reduce labor cost.
Our 1.5 strategy of acquisitions will remain an important part of our future growth plans. We will continue the disciplined approach that we've shown says far targeting deals that are accretive with post integration multiples in the six to seven range.
Slide 14.
Slide 14 combines our organic improvement with our accretive acquisitions over the last three years. Our total margin rate has increased markedly from 7.4% in our 2016 jumping off point to an expected 10.7% at the end 2019 supporting R 22.
2% compound annual organic profit growth rate that we talked about it in the last slide.
Despite significant FX headwinds throughout the plan period, we expect to easily exceed the initial operating targets that we laid out of only 325 million that we set back in 2017.
We're highly confident that we'll continue to drive revenue growth and margin improvement in our organic and acquired businesses. During the next three year strategic plan period. For example, we've already stated that the U.S. business should continue it is margin improvement drive to 13% in 2021. This equates to nearly a 500 basis.
Points of additional margin improvement over the next two years. This will be led by Dunbar cost synergies that are expected to add another $20 million in op income alone.
After this year after 2019 and by continuing core organic growth in the core business and operational improvements associated with that.
Slide 15, we're currently developing investing in our next layer strategy as we've spoken before strategy 2.0.
Which will focus on expanding our presence in the total cash ecosystem by offering additional high value services beyond our core offerings today.
These services are designed to offer customers a complete solution to their cash handling needs similar to the full service offerings that retailers receive from Cantor credit card payments. Today. These include complete handling and processing of cash reduce labor needed to manage their cash and optimization.
Working capital all of this in a hassle free offering to customers.
Our 2.0 offerings will target expanding our services and revenues with existing underserved customers, increasing our market share in existing cash management market that we serve today and increasing services in revenue to currently unvended customers in retail mall.
As of today.
In the second quarter, we announce.
We announced an acquisition that will support a portion of our 2.0 strategy with large enterprise customers called balance innovations.
In addition, a large French bank agreed to outsource all of their 11600 ATM is to brings as part of our 2.0 strategy.
And we're on track this year with our investments due to develop additional core 2.0 services with targeted rollout of pilots and services next year.
My combining continued revenue and profit growth from one point on 1.5 with what we believe will be accelerating accelerated growth from 2.0, we're confident that our next three year plan period will even be more successful we look forward to providing a comprehensive strategic review at all.
Investor Day in New York City in the first half of 2020 on a date that we'll announce soon.
Slide 16.
As Ron laid out the reduction in our full year 2019 guidance is due solely to the impact of currency our operational targets remain unchanged. Despite $80 million of expected operating profit reduction from negative currency translation, including a $58 million of impact that we've seen in the first.
Nine months, we still expect reported operating profit growth of 14% and a 16% growth in earnings per share.
Slide 17.
In summary over the last three years, our strategic and of our strategic plan period and despite the strong FX headwinds we have significantly exceeded all of our original targets, which are shown on the right side of this slide and grown operating profit by more than 20% on a compound annual growth rate.
Okay.
We believe it's just the beginning and we look forward to creating more value for all of our shareholders over the next three years.
With that drew let's open up for questions.
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At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
The first question comes from Tobey Sommer Suntrust. Please go ahead.
Thank you.
Kick off with.
M&A now ill ask you to elaborate a little bit it's been a couple of quarters and how are you described day.
A wider array of opportunities as well as a larger opportunities.
Any color you could provide us there and it may be stratify them.
Versus the traditional cash in transit versus expanding into the cash ecosystem. Thank you.
I'll start and then ill pass drawn as well as I mentioned as we announced actually in the second quarter release and as I. Just mentioned again, we did do a small acquisition call balance innovations in the second quarter.
That.
We think is a good supporter for one of our core strategies as part of our 2.0 overall strategy and that will help us provide software complete analytics and systems.
What we think will provide better services to enterprise based customers in particular.
And I'm talking about embraced enterprise size retailers.
So that's an example of an acquisition one of the ones that we've done to date.
It does help us for our next generation or next strategies. So that's an example of that Tvs with the example of a core to core helping improve our our core business in Colombia, which we're very pleased to have done.
And similar to other acquisition, we've done a three or four other key major markets, Argentina, Brazil, the U.S. et cetera.
Most of what we've done to date has been core to core we still have a number of core to core core Jason's that we're looking at.
That are in our backlog and there are various sizes I don't think we're going to comment necessarily on what sizes, we have done or what we have on well have we know as we've done but what's what's on the books. So I think we'll continue to look at acquisitions that fit our core core core adjacent.
That support our platform growth as well as the than supports some of our strategies going forward.
The only thing I would add Tobey is that a lot of these companies are family owned.
That process.
It takes time and every family has different dynamics and then a lot of these acquisitions our end.
Countries that have.
Long regulatory approval processes.
Brazil as we know with wrote a bond was more than a year, Colombia took us about a year.
So so even though the pipeline is robust the timing on these deals is very lumpy and we'll continue to to move forward.
Thank you and then in terms of.
Pricing could you comment generally on what the pricing environment looks like for your services and you can do at an aggregate business or by geography, that's easier for you.
Perhaps you notice the the third quarter margin in the US both in 2018 in 2019 was lower than it had been and the other quarters, that's typically because the price increase cycle on the us.
Is in the fourth quarter and up until then we bear the cost of wage increases and other inflation in the U.S.. So oh, we do see margin pickup and pricing in the us in the fourth quarter based on the continued tight.
Labor environment, we expect to have another round of successful price increases in 2019.
Similar to what we had last year.
Other countries also have a lot of price increases skewed toward the back half of the year Brazil.
Argentina as negotiated we've talked about previously so we we do see the pricing environment. This year similar.
Two last year and also in France, mainly.
We have an opportunity for price increases as well.
At market has been consolidated but also the the the market is tightening up which has enabled price increases, but I would say pretty much inline with last year. We do expect to have price increases on the order I say globally for brink's plus or minus 3%.
Thanks, and if I could sneak one last one if we were to look at your business not from a geographic.
But from a line of business such as the high value services versus fashion trends and et cetera, what would the growth rates look like and if you don't have specific numbers there even ballpark color would be helpful. Thanks.
I would say that the the retail business, which is.
A big focus for us has higher growth rates and we'll continue to have higher growth rates, because it's primarily unvended.
On the financial institution side, which a traditional see in ATM.
Entire market has been that every bank has as an armored truck service and so the growth there is.
It is trickier takes longer.
We are having more success in the lower tier smaller banks than we are in the larger ones.
But the the focus for real growth volume.
And pricing is going to be on the retail side and so you're going to see that proportion of the pie that we show in our investor presentations continually move to a greater proportion of retail.
Yes, and maybe is that you asked specifically about a high value high value of our bgs business.
Varies.
It varies up and down based on where commodity prices are what we are.
Yes, just disruption in world trade.
Dislocation with governments things like that so it varies up and down more in line with that and.
The necessarily GDP and other things, which can be good and bad obviously.
The other the other businesses vary so much growth by country and what's going on specifically.
By country.
Thank you very much.
Thanks Toby.
The next question comes from Jamie Clement of Buckingham. Please go ahead.
Hi, Good morning, guys right if I can actually start with you just died.
Quick one.
You are the midpoint of your EBITDA guidance.
It is down $30 million versus $20 million.
Why is there a difference there.
Yes, Jamie getting into the weeds, a bit depreciation is lower by approximately $5 million due to timing of capex. Okay.
Had slower replacement of armored trucks, because of a desire to have more of a global coordination between chassis vendors and.
The design, so thats, taking a little bit slower also.
We have permitting delays for real estate, especially overseas.
These are not uncommon, but we expected to get through the permitting process quicker for some of that Capex 3 million of the difference is to lower noncash share based compensation.
The estimates for the share based comp are done at the beginning of the year before the actuaries actually figure out the value of the equity grants and then before the board actually grants the number of units and so a 3 million is from that and 2 million has actually from foreign exchange, which has been a pattern of discussion in this call.
Okay. Okay.
And then on the via the the kind of the onetime it seems expenses.
In the U.S., which I think you sized at about $5 million during the quarter.
non-GAAP that out.
Well.
Yes, yes, okay, you and seven cents.
Yes, we now but to say that we're not going to have another lawsuit in California that gets settled is wishful thinking.
It was from 2015 lawsuit that was just dragging on so yes. It was it was something that happened long time ago, but it was settled in this quarter. We made an argument that yeah that lawsuit won't recur.
But we don't have a good argument that California won't pursue additional labor litigations. So let me jump in there, obviously I feel a little bit like you do as well, but I'm not going to come.
So.
Yes that lawsuit was about a three and a half million dollar total settlement.
It was actually I think is good to get settled it wasn't nice to have it in the quarter was nice after bad but it was one of those it was hanging out there that every other company has had out there it's I would call the meal the rest and meals.
Lawsuit in California, So it was good to get settled and.
Taken off the plate.
Meals plate.
And then there was another component of it that was restructuring expenses that were not we weren't able to non-GAAP based on the accounting rules associated with that.
But we feel that over the course of finalizing the restructuring Dunbar those should not continue on down the road and Thats why we wanted to point those out.
So we appreciate that.
And I said in here I think it's important that from quarter to quarter, we see the difference between our segment op income reporting and then the corporate expenses down to our reported op income the difference between that is our corporate expenses from quarter to quarter.
And they vary based on what goes in the quarter. These views I'm not sure I should these expenses like these that we pointed out and others around that such as the stock based comp and so forth.
From quarter to core and that variation than pushes up or down.
Quarter. So we really have to take a look at as I think.
Fortune Unfortunately on a full year basis, and therefore looking at the numbers that we have now take into consideration the additional $20 million hit to our FX is still puts us with this for a full year puts us at the 14% op income growth.
For the year.
16% for as taking that consideration on a on all quarter variations for the year I think thats, a better way to look at it. Okay. That's that's very fair, but you still think you're going to be at or close to 10% in the fourth quarter right, 10% web.
What's that.
Yes that what more and how much that operating margin no I think we're gonna be higher than that in the fourth quarter.
Okay. Okay, now you're talking about 10% operating margins in the US correct, yes, overall, we're going to be higher than that in the U.S., we're going to be a higher than 10%.
As well, but yet and remember that hit our number did that.
The of the legal and obviously these non-GAAP bubble or the ones that are in the non-GAAP numbers were the restructuring.
Our in the third quarter, they will be in for the full year and that will impact our full year margins for the full year for us.
That doesn't mean next year will will necessarily see those but we'll see okay and then Doug just on organic revenue growth in North America.
Around I think it was 4% in the slides.
Are you happy with that number do you think you can kind of get back to arrange it's better than that damn right. We can I'm not happy with it okay. Okay.
Yes, we see a better number in the fourth quarter was anything unusual going on in the third.
No I think it's consistent with what we've seen over the last year to date since we acquired Dunbar.
And we'll see and there are some things that have happened already like we announced in the second quarter that should help continue to improve those things going forward. So it's a combination of dump our integration some of the things we have going.
Over the whether it be the fourth quarter next year, we expect them, we will see higher numbers. Okay. Great. Thank you very much for your time thanks, Jim.
The next question comes from Jeffrey Kessler of Imperial Capital. Please go ahead. Thank you first question.
When the.
The devaluation of.
Our private pay so two questions around that number one.
Yes, what point does Argentina become.
So maybe some of that 8% of your revenue a year ago.
What does it become smaller.
Evaluation of the pace of does not have outsized effect.
On your on your on your reported numbers.
Fortunately the price increases that we mentioned year to date, 37% are offsetting the devaluation and.
Right now, we don't see Argentina, diminishing from where it is today as a percent of the portfolio, well, but but but to that point, Jeff I think over the course of the last several years.
You are correct in that Argentina has become a significantly smaller percentages than it was.
But we're balancing two things and I think Youre your approach is probably reasonably accurate.
In that.
It has become and we'll continue to be probably smaller portion of our overall portfolio, which is good because that means what we've done through both 1.0 initiatives.
Improving our margins and growing the business and then do acquisitions.
Has continued to do that and we'll continue to drive as I stated in my comments over the next two years, we expect the U.S. to gain another 50 basis points in margin excuse me 500.
Again 500 basis points in margin over the next two years, obviously that margin improvement.
Which is partially driven by the additional carryover synergies into next strapline period of time that will continue to make the Argentinian portion of the contribution new overall continue to get smaller that's good it doesn't mean that Argentina is going down the local performance in the country in Argentina is.
Very very good the contributions are very nice.
So we don't want to diminish that but unfortunately as you see here the impact of that plus a few other currencies.
That make make a difference in the quarter.
Still even with all that reported 70 plus percent if it as I said before if we would adjusted just to have a similar to what we initially laid out in our.
Prior guidance, we call. It now prior guidance. It would have been 14 plus percent, which is consistent with what we're saying for the full year guidance with all of the impact of FX in there. So eventually it will get to a point, where it becomes a smaller component than it is today. It is much smaller today than it was because of as growing but it's still a very great. Good business, we expected to.
Continue to be and we are well down the path of offsetting with inflation driven pricing.
Offsetting the what we would consider to be the FX shocks from August of last year in August of this year well on the path and we'll talk more about that on Investor day and in the fourth quarter earnings releases coming up.
Before I get my real question, if I am just one quick question on on our real question.
There is an election coming up in Argentina, you have any feeling.
Who wins the that will that have any impact on on fiscal.
Okay.
Our fee in the country.
[laughter] elections on day, we're all watching.
The the polls, which everybody knows are extremely accurate not only in Argentina, but in the U.S.
I have the socialist winning they won the primary so the question. Then is is the impact already baked into both the devaluation and the other economic.
The shock we gotten less.
In August was the result of the primary is which was.
Which should be baked into we hope much of it now so hopefully it's baked in the question then that you're asking is what happens what do they do after that.
Okay.
But the key piece is that we've gotten nice internally driven inflation Bryce.
Relation driven price increases their help offsetting them and thats, what we anticipate will continue to see.
Okay.
My other question is on.
Technology as you move into 2.0.
I haven't talked a lot about where we havent talked a lot about some of the internal technology improvements.
Using too.
To promote services.
Services The branch Bank branch improvement.
One of the is one of the.
The airline that you are.
I think that your next.
That that that integration is going to do that.
Can you talk a little bit about.
You are in that process, what seems to be more viable.
The next couple of years and then what is.
What is more probable that's going to take more than two or three years.
You know I hate to.
I hate to not answer that.
But I think is be going to be much better served if what we do his answer that in a whole off way.
In our Investor day, because I think much of that will be.
Answered and much more detail and much more better understanding about both the strategy that target growth areas. We're looking at the impact it will we think we'll have.
The differentiation, we think we'll have the broader services that will offer I think that will be much clear and much more concise.
And the technology that helps drive that.
And in our Investor day coming up.
If I have to rephrase. The question just just quickly.
What about what have the investment that you've been making this year.
Talked about them.
As part of the.
<unk> expenses, what should be showing up.
Over the very very near term over the course of the next six to nine.
Very little frankly other than some additional expenses over the next six months.
But what should be showing up as we go into 2020 is we should start selling product.
It will ramp up as we go throughout 2020, so we should start seeing revenues conceptually, we should start seeing revenues associated with the development of the products that we see that we're developing today. So the investments in the Opex in 2019 should translate into.
Pilots in early 2020, which should translate into revenue as we go through 2020, and then through a ramp up its hopefully much more significant as we go through the rest of the new strategic plan period 2020 through 2022 and as we do that.
At the intent is to continue to invest both in terms of the technology the product development as well as marketing and sales expenses through 2020, but to have that offset by over the course severe offset by revenue and higher margins associated with that revenue as we go through.
The year in the plant period.
Next year the intent overall as a year is do not have the negative impact of the investment of 2.0 in other words, the greater than $20 million that we will be spending next year on 2.0 investment op income investment that is.
We will be offset over the course of the year and again I stress that because of the first quarter won't be as good as the third and fourth quarters.
We will be offset by the revenues and.
And higher margins that we get from that that's the intent that's the strategy. That's what we're laying out that's the path to brawn and as I tried to to point out where you're getting glimpses of the pieces of this and the various components. We're developing that core strategy of 2.0 that we hope to rollout with time.
Clubs, and therefore, and then then product and revenue achievement.
In the early part of next year, we add we did the acquisition of the company go balance innovation that gives us software and linkage with 11000 retail locations.
And linkage with enterprise retail customers that is another portion of that core strategy and then.
Obviously the award that we received in France of the outsourcing of a major tier one bank in France of all of their managed services for their ATM will be called the ATM estate. There is a major major accomplishment in providing is a foothold of yet another key portion of the core.
Strategy for 2.0, so the pieces are kind of being shown there.
And the other core piece that you're asking about as the integration of our technology that we think will be unique will be really in these pilots.
And product that we start rolling out in the early part of 2020 agreeing that will be discussed on Investor day, all of that will be discussed and hopefully to come together and then I'll start with me on numbers like 2.12, 0.2, and 2.3 onstar, Okay, Okay, which is integral parts of our strategy and how we are looking at how we're developing.
Great. Thank you very much.
Okay.
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Our next question comes from Sam England Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Hi, guys just a couple from me on the thoughts on could you talk about how the discussions you can having with all the banks on ATM outsourcing and progressing on out of the Tom you announced the French Dale you said that it's not the for banks you were talking to you. So just wondering how that was progressing.
Well, it's up progressing faster than we want.
And the reason as they are coming to us because with the public announcement of the deal with BPC every other bank in France knew about it and actually knew about it before the announcement and wants to be next we need to make sure we have the capabilities.
Fine tuned.
Up and running and then we believe we will also have.
Solicitation from banks and other countries.
We think this is a game changer, we believe that banks must continue to provide cash ATM is for their customers, but where they're all looking for way to do it more effectively and more efficiently and we have a solution.
That is state of the art with a long lead time in barriers to entry.
So it's going faster than we can.
Deal with all of their inbound requests we have but we want to make sure we get it right before we expand the offering to other clients.
I might put a little bit of.
Tempering on that.
I think.
That is absolutely the case because this was a a unique.
When I think in that.
There.
It's hard for a major banks, especially tier one bank to outsource their their ATM estate.
The risky it's something different is something new so this was pretty significant for this to happen.
And so it is going to take some time it took a lot of time for that to happen. This is the first major one that I I really know of in the industry.
And so it's going to take some time for the other banks to continue to move. The response has been because it's now known out there as Ron is suggesting has been significant interest in inquiries around that in fact, the spin off to that as well is in France. I think is what Ron is also alluding to is is that many municipalities who are looking to continue to.
More rural than than in pairs or in a in the cities are looking to assure that they have access to cash in those areas and therefore. They went ends are now looking to work with us to put ATM in those cities.
So that's one of the spinoff as well, but I don't look for this to be something that all of a sudden we're going to see five or six more major banks doing. This this is I think a major when it's going to take some time as we've told you before this doesn't really start up until the end of 2021, but it is a 10 plus year deal.
And these are longer term deals to make this.
Make this boat gain them as well as a gain the deals that is as well as of the duration to implementation.
Great. Thanks, and then next on the surround Argentina I just wanted if there's anything you're doing or that you can do to position the business for us.
The writing in the peso potential capsule control was after the election on Sunday, We did many you weigh in say Im just see what happens after the election, we can hedge it about a 25% cost none of the latest close I've got for hedging the peso between 90 and 100%.
Yes, I think what we can do is sand was we can remember that we operate a damn good business down there. It continues to be extremely good volumes continue to increase as a result of inflation.
That is created there which is positive for us as well.
And the difference that we're talking about here is when we get the cash and anything Thats really the issue we aren't importing oil were not importing feel we're not seeing any impact to our margins in fact, it's frankly, they're going up.
None of that is negative like other things.
That are happening with trade wars and so forth.
This is a time good business in Argentina that where we think is a great part of our business. The difference that we're seeing is $20 million or the bulk of is $20 million is going to be delayed in the time frames that we get them armed our our debt is going to be going up this year by the amount that we would have paid it down if we would have.
Seem to so its translational it's not lost in that it's a matter of timeframe is the way that we look at it.
I think thats an important piece the investors should look at this is much different than what they're worried about.
Operational FX issues and this is not that.
Great. Thanks, guys I'll leave it now.
Thanks Sam.
Next question comes from Wayne Archambo Monarch partners. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
Sorry, I missed that I'm I'm, sorry, I missed at the Investor Day have you specified a day on that.
No we have not thanks for asking [laughter]. However, we're all very curious what more first corp, first quarter of any sense of the general timing, where our general time or thinking about late first quarter.
Okay. Our plants today was in early March of 2017, Yeah, right right and okay.
What we've done is we've done a great job of getting everybody. So excited about it that we need to probably do something so.
We will do the of the turn I'll turn a couple of years ago is great. So hopefully this turn out to be even better. So that was a very productive day I was it was a great guys did a great job at that David well worthwhile. So thank you Alicia thanks for that too we appreciate it.
This is going to be better.
Alright, thank that trend that translated into 22 breast percent compound annual growth rate and over the time of year I'm, even with the FX. It was a huge negative impact on it. So just think what we're going to get this next time.
Perfect.
All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
And ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question and answer session and that will also conclude our conference call for today. We thank you for attending the Brink's Company's third quarter 2019 conference call and at this time you may disconnect your lines.