Q3 2019 Earnings Call
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Good morning, and thank you for joining us to review Avon third quarter 2019 result.
I'm here with the onsite or felt Avon CEO , Gustavo Arnell, Avon CFO and Mcgill Fernandez Avon Global process that young kids Dogle Mcgill will take you through our progress and our third quarter results and then we will move to acuity Sasha Slide four has this morning's agenda.
Ill now hand, the call everybody on.
Moving to slide five.
Last year, we rolled off the opening up April strategy to rebuild our business fundamentals are receptive business to restore competitiveness and modernize our business model.
This year has been about starting to execute the plan building, a healthier more profitable and sustainable business.
On this page you see the outline of our Eagle for me, though and the key highlights for quarter three.
Restoring the value and brand relevance in other words, the can chew up pool.
We are continuing to strengthen the Brad, making even more relevant and trends and through this restoring a pricing power.
This quarter, we achieved a 9% improvement in price mix with effective pricing stronger and higher priced innovation, where the focus will improve mix a fewer discounts.
We're also sharpening and focusing our portfolio specifically your question on home.
Every bridging direct selling well the push element of I go to market model, we continue to drive productivity of our representatives, well, creating an environment that making joining April a more attractive process and business opportunity.
Over the past several quarters, we have been working to strengthen our represents the base and this quarter, we saw a slight uptick sequentially with 1% more active representatives that we had into quarter two.
We use averaged representative sales as a measurement of improving productivity on retention.
And we are continuing to improve the productivity of our beauty entrepreneurs and making it easier for them to spend money.
I've words represented the sales increased 4% this quarter.
In terms of increasing access to all Brad we continue to drive digital agenda.
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It was again on our goal to double the size of this business and 29 team.
We have been kick starting to development April beauty entrepreneurs, that's able influences on bloggers to accelerate social selling with some great pilots boats in Russia and Brazil.
This quarter, we generated four times more free cash flow and doubled our adjusted operating margin compared to last year.
Monetizing assets has enabled us to fully fund our restructuring expenses.
Yeah, we are on track to achieve our fuel for growth goals as we shut out last year, all with a much smaller workforce.
On the scoring all activities and our continued focus to reenergize, our purpose to empower woman and make a positive impact on the lives of our beauty entrepreneurs that families and communities.
I will provide a more detailed update on the various elements of our strategy later in the coal.
No I would like to hand over to Gustavo who will walk through the numbers.
Thank you Dan.
Let me start by sharing Q3 highlights on the three key financial metrics.
Revenue margin and cash flow.
That's expected revenue decline.
These improvements enabled adjusted operating profit results of 67 million and yielded adjusted operating margin of 6%.
This is doubled the margin up last year, driven by price makes and cost saving gross margin also expanded despite unfavorable FX.
In terms of cash we generated 65 million a free cash flow four times higher than the prior year, driven by profitability and working capital.
Year to date, our free cash flow is 114 million better than last year, even after funding 100, a 19 million up restructuring investments.
Estimation.
Some dollar revenue from reportable segments declined by 6% in Q3, well productivity improved.
We believe that we can drive pricing in a sustainable way with a combination of strong innovation focus on mix training and optimization.
This is imperative to improve margins and to enhance our representatives earnings.
Worth, noting as we said during a recent Investor conference. The number of active reps in Q3 were slightly above the prior quarter.
We continue to emphasize the right makes in margin across portfolio.
We are resetting assortment to optimize value.
We were aiming to shift away from heavily discounted low sales.
For example in or fashion categories are large part of our unit declines came from items, there where dilute it.
We're working to improve the assortments based on productivity profitability and complexity. This means resetting of our portfolio towards greater item continuity and dramatically less heska you.
Similarly, as we walk on improving rep productivity and making more selective appointment active threats are down 10% versus last year that said, we're beginning to see stabilization is asking rents have increased versus the prior quarter more importantly, rep productivity is improving as they fell 4% more on average.
I was glad we have delivered adjusted operating margin expansion through each quarter. This year.
Year to date adjusted operating margin of 6%, it's up 170 basis points above last year.
Sustained price mix growth each quarter, coupled with aggressive cost optimization are the key to margin expansion despite FX headwinds.
As expected FX pressure continued in Q3, primarily coming from Argentina and Brazil.
Brazilians lapping ethics level versus the prior year, yet growing pressure continues in Argentina.
Lower than the 8% last quarter.
We still expect though negative currency impact to continue through Q4.
Our Q3 adjusted operating margin of 6% was up 300 basis points to time higher than last year, even improvements in both gross margin and ask DNA.
That makes improvements out of 280 basis points to adjusted operating margin enabled by mix and lower discounts as well as more effective pricing.
This is an ongoing effort in managing a revenue growth, which continues to be supported by a innovation pipeline.
These savings are largely from procurement transformation efforts and lower bad debt, resulting from tighter credit control processes.
Gross margin improved by 100 basis points, largely on price mix, partially offset by effects and adverse material.
As DNA improved by 200 basis points on cost savings.
Free cash flow generation of 65 million in Q3 was four times higher than the prior year.
This was driven by operational improvements in both earnings and working capital and was the liver after self funding on incremental 18 million of restructuring investment.
We remain on track for positive cash flow during 2000 and team as we continue delivering profit improvement working capital efficiencies and monetizing underutilized assets to self fund or transformation investments.
That's can be seen we have made significant financial progress this year by driving productivity cash and margin.
Year to date free cash flow generation, he's 114 million higher than last year.
The increase was generated through improving marketing and optimizing working capital well asset monetization fully funded restructuring investments.
Our efforts to monetize assets have deliver $119 million in proceeds so far this year, which how fully funded cash restructuring investments of nearly the same amount.
Additionally, we have been reducing cash taxes over the past few years, we expect 2019 to see significant reductions at less than half of the levels in 2018.
To sum it all up they are tradeoffs to be intentional choices, we're making to improved financial performance.
Now to me go.
The third quarter, we so constant doubled revenue declined by 6% as we were more selective in our recruiting practices are more focused.
Well I can promise decline year over year, we did see a slight sequential improvement from last quarter.
Revenue was pressured by negative impact of price elastic city services challenges on on competitive simply just incentive.
I will personally driver pulled resetting they are we willing reincorporate actions I initiatives now where effectively another mark.
Yes, making it easier for our reps to make money well continue to improve our overall profitability.
Our active representative count have declined 10% seen since last year, well, we have been driving productivity, we're focusing on driving recruitment of reps, who are joining to earn money and built businesses.
I've been working each market to balance the right level of field incentives.
We're continuing to provide tools and training to help personal products that improve earnings, thereby improved retention.
One measure we used to truck rep productivity is average reps sales, which increased 4% into third quarter.
The segmented recruiting and training programs that we have been developing unimplemented around the world are helping her learn how to increase their productivity on earnings.
Implementing more sustainable sales practices on improvements of credit policies have continued to risk, but that this year, while helping to maintain a healthier rep base on a pro country and bridge and level profitability.
Moving to slide 16, starting with Brazil, our largest market. We continue efforts to rebuild the direct selling fundamentals, we have being focused on sharpener portfolio western or beauty business on optimizing our fashion on home portfolio.
Makes through reduction of step of discount.
When you get your reps remain our top priority our biggest scotto continues to be waste to cancer rep experienced startrak and engaged.
In addition, we're continuing to pilot both deliberate and access projects to get perks closer to the Mark.
We continue efforts to grow our detailed cells with a separate dedicated business unit doubling online sales since the last year, we have seen expanded adoption of even on to over 20% of a rep base.
And can now provide next day delivery service to half of the country.
Also we have seen significant improvements in service levels have resulted in 120 basis point reduction in park returns.
The new credit tools now we have implemented cup helped lower bad debt by more than 20 million to year to me.
Now slide 17, Mexico is focused on increasing the recruitment of business builders on improving overall representative productivity, while navigating a challenging macro environment and optimizing the fashion and home portfolio.
Gaining scale in key productivity and training programs are helping to improve tenure on retention harbor recurring cost been lower.
One key program that we have discussing depends the seller circle program, where we apply segmented trainer to representatives, who have identified I'm interested in growing their business.
We currently have 50000 representatives and distiller sickle program under productivity remains 20% higher than though the reps.
Well, we need to increase participation. We of course got to develop a larger pipeline business builders eligible for inclusion in the solar circle program to do this we're expanding our face to face early training programs and the first 90 days aborting part of that.
We're also implementing a problem that allows reps to recoup reps expanded dramatically or number of potential recruiters.
To expand access and improve relevance, we leverage our national Roshe to act as a portal for Mexico to Reenergize or feel you've seen a narrative to attract people who are interested in building but.
Let's move to slide 18 in Russia, we have been working on optimizing our portfolio is developing better brochures, having more relevant product innovation, while a recovery plans helped us regain loss reps. It takes time to achieve simo levels of productivity since newer reps typically have lower ever samples.
As we structural tried to younger trendier representatives, we realized that we must give them types of pro tools on experiences that they expect one of the way. The we're reaching out to them is through pop up stores in acute really been locations, where they can experience diebold brand new products first hand.
We launched new Onboarding prone coal you start enhancing experience and cultivating good practices. In addition to segmenting BREP investments and incentives.
We continue to accelerate actions to expand our digital rich by lunch into school up lover to cope Abrams micro influencers develop social networks, but get them closer to their customers not truck a new generation of representatives.
We're also doubling the number of beauty centers, which are physical locations, where we layer training and accessibility.
These locations reps can pick up orders.
Helping them save on Poscos, and also provide opportunity to get product and business train.
In terms of simplification, our cost savings in Russia, I come from reducing distribution costs and lower in bad debt. We're pleased with a positive impact of the cost savings cost cutting helping to improve the country's operating margin.
Well, we know that we're still have work to do we're happy with initial properties that were seen with the programs I initiatives being implemented in Russia.
Now, let me hand, the call over to yet.
Thank you May go turning to slide 20, I would like to give you an update on our open up Avon strategy and a four critical value creation leave us improving brand relevance of value.
Driving rep productivity expanding access to the Brad, but digitizing April and accomplishing all these things will sharpening the portfolio with clear choices and dramatically simplifying the business and driving down cost.
First we continue to strengthen Nebraska and consumer relevance to improve April Brent equity.
In quarter, three we drove price mix up 9% three.
Visually modernizing the brand and up Roshe and communications and a step up and digital marketing.
Sharpening and optimizing our portfolio and fewer bigger brands and specifically resetting the fashion on home portfolio.
Driving mix to higher value categories, with lessening frequency and depth of discounting.
Second.
We're continuing to improve the productivity of our beauty entrepreneurs. This quarter average representative sales increased by 4% well active representatives are stabilizing and increasing slightly over the last quarter.
It increasing access to April and expanding our consumer base through strong growth in ecommerce and a step up and developing a new generation sales lead us into April digital influences social sellers.
Focusing on assets and activities to ensure they all fit for purpose more cost competitive and able to meet the realities of our business and old with significantly lower headcount.
We had 71 million in cost savings this quarter weather year to date savings, 80% higher than last year.
We need consumer pool by being a relevant accessible on trend beauty brands and at the same time for our beauty entrepreneurs, we must make it easier for hits, a shell and money and get better service and support from us.
Those are the Bull Abrams heritage on purpose is it making amazing beauty products and innovation available to every well in all of which we democratized beauty.
Strengthening the brand sharpening the portfolio and driving mix towards more profitable products and categories. We have bolstered our innovation pipeline and highlighting them more in a brochures a marketing.
The famous Vega and fuel is very relevant theme for us on April .
We have increased the focus on digital marketing and the use of social media and influences.
We produced new weekly digital content, then assets, which are now being leveraged then used by new program to develop a sales lead us into April digital influences bloggers.
I saw this personally your Russia last month and the impact this is having a lot brand, but also how this is exciting on network of beauty entrepreneurs.
Last month, we launched a new distillery brand.
The new blogger event in London. These types of air experimental events get the product into the hands of influences and great excitement and boss all around the iPhone brand the network.
But those are the bush.
Effort to make it easier for our beauty entrepreneurs and money.
Segmenting. The representative is now at the heart of everything we do and how we train and communicate with Hill.
We also embedding segmentation and our field management, including more targeted tools recognition programs and incentives to improve the return on investments.
We're also making progress and continue to test the refine the new compensation models to improve earnings and the ROI on on incentives. This however, it's hot and takes time.
We also providing more educational tools.
Like our new auto selling fragrance, all the new a new training tool kit that teach the product benefits of features of each of the ranges.
We need to equip hurt to up sell and own sell I learned to sell a great products and innovation due to the unique product benefits not just because it's on disk onto a promotion.
In addition, we have been developing a rolling out new digital tools designed to make it easier well hits around her business.
Tools to point digitally and pasta.
Tools to promote her business online and his social network.
Oh to use our new makeup demo to show how can you make up or lipstick looks.
Now that we have many new digital tools. It is critical to drive adoption and usage I amongst our beauty entrepreneurs.
Our new Avon all that is a one stop app for our beauty entrepreneurs and incorporates many critical features such as product ordering training, but also the digital assets for him to share on his social network.
But also tools like the trial map, which I tools launch to help represented the engage her consumers.
Finally, we need to continue to strengthen every store our field fundamentals on sales elements.
Let's start with detailed performance management reporting based on our rich data and analytics.
Our new sales representative development program and tools to step up in performance and growth mindset and discipline.
Moving to slide 22.
We need an attractive vibrant and relevant brand and product portfolio for her to sell.
This is more on trend brand and shopper portfolio choices, a fundamental to build and more profitable sustainable and therefore healthier business.
We are cleaning and focusing a portfolio much more deliberately.
We're giving each category, a clear role and driving key elements to win in each category.
On a different way with a different set of competitive realities.
For example in Cala its role is to generate excitement and drive impulse purchases.
Accomplished dish, we must have a high level of innovation and lead with owns rent innovations in growing subcategories.
Pipeline is getting stronger for the second half of this year with power stay lip less genius and the West Coast collection.
Skincare, great scientific credentials and trust, while also creating repeatable sales of regimes all at higher price points, helping drive represented the earnings.
Skincare is a bit less about innovation and more about education.
They got a few renovation with more training helped drive 1% growth in this category in quarter three.
This is an area, where we believe we have the greatest ability to take world class technology and make an accessible to everyone at affordable prices.
Fragrance is all about aspiration, an image, which has required us to upgrade our visual identity and the quality of marketing.
We are focused on more premium media and content as well as launching a training program the out of selling fragrances, which has being well received by the field.
Also in some regions, we're continuing to optimize the portfolio and focus our brands where in some cases the size of our portfolio has grown to unwieldy.
And finally in fashion on home refocusing of fuel sub categories, where we can make money and win and data for more simple to manage.
Professional now has a critical role to play.
And as I said this often at higher price point and can generate extra sales both helpful to boost earnings.
But we needed a more focused portfolio to run a tighter and build a stronger business.
So my question or home, a sustainable business, we must become less opportunistic and tactical a focused the portfolio on building scale and fewer destination categories, where we can win and make money.
This portfolio reset has impacted revenues this quarter, but as you also heard from Gustavo is also helping improve our margins.
On slide 23.
One of the critical elements to we're still able to help to a healthier more sustainable level of growth and profitability is to drive our brand value and engage our network of beauty entrepreneurs through a strong pipeline bigger and better innovation.
And the third quarter, we have 20% more sales from innovation behind the bigger brands and a 35% higher price point.
We are driving a big innovations to more countries in order to increase their scale.
As you May recall, we launched vitamin C. at the end of Q1 at a premium price point and it's delivering more gross margin than the average price category price for it.
With better marketing and a focus on bundles I'm regimes has enables us to double yeah. We're just getting kept pricepoint again at higher margins.
In quarter, two we launched polished stay lip leveraging social media and creating generating exciting boss and excitement, while enabling again, a higher price points and margins.
At the end of quarter, three we launched a brand new brand called distillery.
Distillery is a new on trend product range from Avon celebrating clean beauty without compromise using the highest concentration of active ingredients with less unnecessary fellas.
This range combines high performance vigen friendly ingredients with beautiful textures and the premium environmentally conscious packaging with an ethical mindset.
And in the fourth quarter, we're launching a powerful jewel of pollution protection products and your new family.
To defend and purify your skin in some of our pollutant cities.
These products were designed to protect consumers from the impact of urban lifestyles.
They have powerful antioxidants to defend against Vin visible threats like pollution, and you'll see that can damage equal skin to age prematurely.
On slide 24, you can see the significant an ongoing improvements in price mix.
As we discussed in prior calls the company's lack of pricing over many years has led the erosion of margin a rep productivity issues, we are working to correct today.
Revenue management has been and we'll continue to be a key driver for expanding our margins.
In quarter, three we show progress with year on year price growth of 9% how should we continue to implement our revenue growth management tool box across the company.
As I mentioned earlier in the call the key driver for better revenue management. This quarter, we're optimizing discount and most strategic and effective pricing.
Right getting better about reducing depth the frequency of discounts and optimizing the return on investments of our promotions.
In addition, and importantly, we have been also more deliberate about pricing without losing the critical value for money entry point price points critical in emerging market footprint.
On slide 25, moving to the push of I go to market model.
Rebooting, our direct selling model is critical and creating an effective push go to market machine.
In order to do this well we need to strategically reset the way we work across our markets.
We have to create a more powerful narrative of why someone would want to become and build a business with Avon overcome a nave home beauty fan.
Refining our compensation models to increase earnings for our Representatives remains a critical points for April .
We need to be competitive in local markets to provide end to end career opportunities for our representatives, where they can and what they feel is irrelevant earnings for hill.
In order to appeal to hit we need to have the right incentives and they did train here to establish behavior that enable sure to reach whom meaningful earnings.
As we have been saying for the past two years, providing here with brands products and on trend innovations and the critical skills and training for head to succeed is Paramount for a long term success.
We're also building on new digital entrepreneurs to help to build who'd business and expand who reach using our new tools and capabilities like our new open all F.
This new App is now in 30 markets and also includes the rollout of our new learning platform.
We are growing the reach an influence three pilots like the school of bloggers, your Russia and the Instagram Rep in Brazil.
In a short period, the install Rep program.
Produced nearly 10000 stories hundred thousand clicks on April and the combined reached to nearly 5 million influences. This is the future digital April .
Lastly, we're implementing a more commercial focus with more rigor and discipline enough field full fundamentals to drive a growth mindset and with a stronger performance culture.
We're also utilizing better data analytics to track progress I provide transparency or what's working and what's not working.
Moving to slide 26.
We're continuing to focus on transforming our business to be much simpler and Lena.
You can see our continued focus to simplify business and take out costs.
We made significant progress and redesigning a leaner organization.
And 2018, we had an 8% reduction in headcount and we continue this in the first half of 2019 with a third of 15% reduction across all level of employees.
Hence we've already achieved our goal of a 10% further reduction in headcount this year.
We have reduced our total workforce from 25000 people in 2017 18 to less than 20000 today.
We have reduced the number of SK use or the size of line a 21% on our way towards our goal of 25% reduction by the year rent.
We continue to manage our inventory more tightly with a reduction in inventory value of 43 million year to date Lastly, we're focused on delivering more cash as well of monetizing assets with over 100 million targets well on its way.
Year to date, we ever driven hundred a 19 million through sales of assets, putting us ahead of our full year target goal.
Now shifting gear on slide 27.
Avon has been championing as supporting woman for over 130 years.
Our representatives are at the heart of everything that we do our success as a company is and will forever be measured by this expense success that the millions of woman learn all the countries in which we operate have selling the products that they laugh April .
Reestablishing the culture to light them and having a very tight relationship and connect with them is vital to understanding what she wants and she needs to be successful in their markets.
As part of opening up strategy, we are making our boss.
And listening to what she says and needs is up the heart of our culture. Her success is our success.
This connection to our representatives brings us closer to the consumers and our customers around the world and helps us provide her with what she needs to be successful.
Earlier this year, even launched then for Hill.
Our plan, which aims to positively impact the lives of woman around the world.
It is a promise to the woman who worked for US now with Avon degrade the better will for women.
A promise to help and the violence against women and girls is gaining traction and making a real difference.
We are creating a systematic change throughout 10 year partnership is vital voices, a multi agency workshop to drive that change.
During quarter three these workshops were held in the Philippines in South Africa with <unk> point 3 million beneficiaries. It's 66 countries there with 3000 individuals trained and supportive.
As for education around the World Regrettably. The reality is that millions of girls are denied the right you education for multiple reasons, including poverty racism and exportation.
They've also denied the ride through education simply because the female.
We're making a difference by helping out this beauty entrepreneurs through training and support.
Through the Avon Foundation Global scholarship program, we're opening up learning opportunities for our representatives and their families. We have donated nearly $15 million through Avon scholarship programs and another 200 representatives in more than 20 countries, winning scholarship program grounds for themselves and Nick.
When children this year.
These are just a few of the many examples and which April as jump in the course for women today.
Moving to slide 28.
Earlier in the third quarter, we announced that we're entering into a merger agreement with up to around call.
We are progressing well and continue to expect to close early and 2020 .
We have been working all the necessary approvals. In addition for proxy statement as being cleared by the FCC kind of special shareholder meeting is being held on November 13 to seek voter approval.
Evilness committing to delivering significant value for our shareholders. The executing opening up strategy and preserving liquidity ahead of the early 2020 closing targets.
Finally on slide 29.
2019, as the year of execution.
We have been and we'll continue to take deliberate actions to drive a healthier more sustainable and profitable business for the future.
I'm really and we believe our actions are bearing fruit.
We also know there's going to take time to reset and build a new April .
Time to restore and modernize the fundamentals of our business model and deliver a sustainable and profitable and growing business.
We hold ourselves accountable for the milestones reset of the beginning of the yeah I.
We see delivering continued to programs and improvements against the goals reset.
We will stemmed the decline through our efforts to rebid direct selling.
Improve representative profitability shop, and the portfolio and modernize the brands.
We are driving average representative sales to approximately 5%.
We are tracking to meet our 2019 goal to double online sales.
We are close to achieving our 25% reduction and SK use.
And hot count reduction already exceeds a 10% goal now standing at 15%.
And monetizing those assets has resulted in hundred 19 million in cash which has fully funded our restructuring expensive.
Recapping a few of the points that we stop all made.
We have also improved the operating margin by hundred 70 basis points year to date through shop, a portfolio port choices pricing cost management and simplification.
We have driven 100, a 14 million more free cash flow and 2019 by growing operating margins working capital improvements divesting of assets and improving cash tax.
We have determined to return able to health and return value to our shareholders. Thank you for joining us today.
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Hi, Good morning, everyone and I wanted just complement you on your programs around violence and education really commendable.
Hi, My question for you done is on the price mix. It seems to be one of the big drivers of the model how should we think about that 9% price advantage in the quarter. It's me look ahead and should we model something to that degree or do you think something more in that mid single digit range is that more durable over the next maybe one to two years.
Yeah, Thanks, and Great you also subordinate clauses as one of the things like that we're all really really proud off a two to stand up for the important causes for women around the world than that and violence against women I must say, even also passionately personally I'm very very bad.
Fashion and about a it is absolutely scandalous what happens in many parts of the world and I think the local teams, but also the global teams are doing a lot of work to up to mobilize people to us to drive that that all fall.
Violence against women trend that still happening and hasn't improved by the way over the last number of years now to a back to business price mix I think there's this up something I think that we set out a last year and you see really a consistent improvement and and we will continue to improve that I don't really want to give any any real guidance are all looking forward.
As we are trying to balance obviously, the five different levers that we have to drive price mix and and and that this up that is about you know driving innovation at higher prices driving mix to higher products, optimizing our promotions, but without losing the entry points that.
That is so important in some of our some of our markets. So as we're getting better on this I think this is an engine that we will continue to drive that we're continuing to get better right I think the sort of the numbers. We want to talk about I think is it out this is a pretty high level not many companies are getting price mix up additional the level, but.
Without giving any further guidance a we're happy with where are we going and there's an ongoing balancing act, but I think also Gustavo in terms of giving guidance is I think a difficult thing to do at this stage.
No I pay and everything.
Go ahead I'm sorry.
We are completing the 2020 budget process as we go.
We speak.
Clearly, we will be as up to the combined company to provide guidance on 2020 , we're not in a position to do that now what it's important to us reinforcing what John said is we as a management team see price mix as a key enabler to drive an inflection point on the financial health of the company.
And to drive right productivity. It will have some trade offs as we're having some trade off some Unix et cetera.
But it will be reasonable to expect positive price mix next year, perhaps not to levels of 2019, given that this was the first year, we started with the program and there was some catch up need it.
Okay.
Thank you.
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Yeah, Great again, thanks, everyone for for calling in and listening on the call a thing.
To sum it up while they were proud of of the progress we're making we're building I think really a healthier more sustainable and profitable business. That's really about half of what we're trying to do with all the value creation leaves us that said that we've got we've got many calls lineup. So we'll look forward to further discussions on the follow up calls on again. Thank you for your support.
And I am calling in this morning and enjoy the rest of today Bye bye.
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