Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Welcome to the gels when holding Inc. third quarter 2019 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers presentation. There will be a question and answer session to ask a question. During this session you when each press star one on your telephone please limit questions to one question.
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It's your earnings press release, this morning, and posted a slide presentation for the Investor Relations portion of our website, which would be referencing during this call.
I'm joined today by carry much or C O and John linker or see about.
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And in our earnings release in the appendix his presentation.
Now I'd like to turn the call already Gary.
Thanks, Greenock good morning, everyone and thank you for joining US please turn to page four.
This morning, we announced our third quarter results, which are in line with the selected preliminary results, we announced on October town.
On our preliminary results conference call I shared my disappointment in our third quarter performance. We believe the results were due to issues largely specific to the quarter and we'll see improvements in operational performance moving forward from the mitigating actions already in place.
I remain confident in our long term strategy the strength of our business model and the engagement of our associates, whose commitment to our success has never been stronger.
Me walk you through some of the key points of the quarter.
As discussed on the October 11th call a significant increase in manufacturing cost in a small number of our windows facilities in North America, primarily drove the performance gap to expectations for the quarter.
Erratic order patterns and customer driven product resets in the retail channel tested the nimbleness of our demand planning processes and systems capabilities, and we were unable to adjust cost quickly enough in the quarter.
We believe these issues were seasonal an isolated in nature and do not expect them to recur in 2020.
I'm pleased with the responsiveness of our associates to immediately implement corrective actions by embracing our Jim tools and processes and I expect operational improvement moving forward.
We continue to see volume headwinds in North America, and Australasia, where businesses are more heavily index the single family residential new construction markets.
The Australian market weakened considerably both sequentially and year over year.
Positive developments in the U.S. housing market in recent months, how does cautiously optimistic, though we have yet to see a substantial shift in our demand curve.
I will elaborate more on a market outlook in just a few minutes.
Our Europe segment delivered core revenue growth and margin expansion in the third quarter as expected.
The turnaround execute in Europe as a result of corrective actions taken over the past several months driving price and productivity.
For the fourth consecutive quarter, we delivered favorable price cost as price continues to hold up in most of our markets. Despite the soft demand environment.
On a consolidated basis, we realized savings for our productivity initiatives with the strongest contributions in the quarter from our North America door business, Northern Europe , the UK and Australasia I'm also very excited about the progress, we're making with our footprint rationalization and modernization projects and look forward.
Sharing some examples of these projects that we have underway in a few minutes.
Lastly, our year to date free cash flow performance demonstrates improvement in our quality of earnings I believe the fundamentals of our business model are robust and we're seeing results across the enterprise as a result of our strategy and business operating system deployment.
Please turn to page five as they provide a recap of the quarter, John Linker will provide more detail coming up.
Revenue declined 3.9% year over year, driven largely by North America in Australasia residential new construction demand as well as unfavorable foreign exchange.
North America was also impacted by a radical order patterns in the retail channel that supports the repair and remodel market.
Diluted earnings per share for the quarter was 17 cents an adjusted earnings per share was 26 cents a.
Adjusted EBITDA decreased 17.9% to $108.9 million and adjusted EBITDA margin at 10% declined 170 basis points.
Adjusted EBITDA margin was negatively impacted by de leverage on lower volume in North America, and Australasia margins were also impacted by the operational inefficiencies in some of our North America Windows plant.
As mentioned, we expect operational improvement going forward as a result of corrective actions already in place.
Net leverage at quarter end was approximately 3.2 times, which is slightly above target levels due to acquisitions and seasonality of working capital we're committed to reducing our net leverage ratio closer to our target of 2.5.
We also announced today, an extension of our share repurchase program, which demonstrates the board and management's confidence in Jelled wins operating model and potential for cash flow generation.
Our near term cash deployment priorities remain net debt reduction organic investment and opportunistic M&A.
The extension of our share repurchase program provides us with another lever in our balanced approach to create value for our shareholders.
On page six I'll provide an update on markets for the third quarter and our latest view of the near term demand outlook.
In the third quarter, we experienced weakness in both the U.S. and Canada distribution channels. That's served new construction markets, while repair and remodel markets were flat year to date single family permits and housing starts are down low single digits in the U.S. and in Canada single family housing starts are down here.
Teens.
Looking ahead, we are cautiously optimistic about a recovery in the U.S. residential new construction housing market with growth in permits and new home orders in the last few months housing starts are expected to follow.
Housing starts in Canada are also showing signs of growth after week data year to date.
Despite residential new construction markets being sluggish in North America. This year, we feel good about the long term demand drivers in these markets.
He growth remains positive, indicating expansion in the economy unemployment rates and mortgage rates continue to hold at historically low levels.
In Europe varying levels of economic growth across the region led to mixed demand for building products. Our markets were generally flat, but varied by product line channel and geography.
Brexit uncertainty continues to weigh on housing demand in the region and we expect mixed markets to continue in Europe .
Australasia demand conditions weakened as the quarter progress with the third quarter core revenue down 12% versus prior year, while interest rates are at historical lows credit tightening by major banks continues to make it difficult for homebuyers to obtain funding.
We forecasted a deterioration in the Australian residential new construction markets at the beginning of the year, but did not expect the acceleration of the decline throughout the year.
Australasia residential housing permits are now at their lowest level in 10 years and the latest forecast provided by the Australia housing industry Association predicts single family housing starts to decreased to approximately 20% down for the full year.
We continue to focus on executing our plan strategy in the region and our team has done well in adjusting cost in anticipation of these headwinds.
Please turn to page seven.
I would like to share some details of our footprint rationalization and modernization projects I'll start by sharing a little the background of this program for those that may not be familiar with it.
We are committed to achieving our long term EBITDA margin target of 15%, we expect to achieve the 15% margin target by delivering $200 million and cost reductions over the next several years to keep it simple we assumed flat volume and price actions that would offset inflation over the period the.
$200 million in cost reductions is based on a targeted $100 million in productivity to be delivered through the deployment of our gem business operating system and a further 100 million from the footprint rationalization and modernization program.
We're making good progress in both areas our net productivity year to date is on track to the multi year target run rate of $100 million, while volume mix has been a headwind to realize result, the underlying cost improvements in productivity discipline will provide ongoing year on year savings.
The 100 million dollar long term facility rationalization and modernization program is focused on reducing our manufacturing footprint by at least 15% as a reminder, we operate over 130 facilities worldwide. This program is geared toward reducing our footprint while modernizing the.
Operations to increase capacity by improving throughput inefficiency.
This year, we focused our investments in this program on proprietary modernization automation processes in selected facility as we prepare for consolidations.
Now that the early phases of the investment or complete we've entered the stage in North America, and Australasia, where less efficient legacy and redundant capacity is being taken offline and we'll realize benefits in the PML.
The progress towards our 100 million dollar savings target of this program won't be linear as we have elected to go slow to go fast and ensure that customer service is a priority.
So let me share a few examples.
In North America, we operate approximately 45 manufacturing plants, we recently acquired our Atlanta door facility, which has a well located modern facility that was underutilized at the time of acquisition.
This plant became the foundation for our rationalization and modernization program in the southeast, allowing us to consolidate several inefficient legacy door Assembly operations into one.
Not only are we consolidating locations. We're also improving the efficiency capacity throughputs safety and quality of the operations through modernization projects.
We successfully closed our Ozark, Alabama facility and last week announced the closure of our Lexington, North Carolina plan.
We've transferred labor intensive ergonomically challenging and time consuming batch processing operations and Ozark in Lexington into our streamlined Atlanta operations.
We have reduced labor requirements by over 50%, while increasing output by more than 50% by deploying our new proprietary an automated single piece flow operations.
These processes significantly improve ergonomics and associates safety and utilize 80% less floor space for the same operations.
Additionally, we've seen a significant improvement in quality output and scrap.
We may similar progress in Australasia for example, we moved our regency shower screens and William wrestle doors business into an existing manufacturing campus at our stay bar Roseville campus in Melbourne delivery manufacturing efficiencies through modernization and process improvement while increasing capacity.
As with Atlanta investments in automated processes improve quality and safety through ergonomics and reduce manual processes. The benefits of these programs are a big factor in our ability to maintain margin in a challenging Australasia and market.
Atlanta and ROE Bill.
Just two examples of the rationalization and modernization programs that are in various stages across the enterprise as you can imagine these projects are not easy or quick given the planning and execution required to ensure seamless execution with minimal commercial disruption.
They are however, critical to our success as we improve our cost position and create more efficient and effective capacity for growth. These exciting opportunities underscore why I'm confident that we have the right strategy for gel, one and the ability to deliver value for our customers associates and shareholders with that.
Pass it over to John Linker to provide a detailed review of our financial results for the third quarter of 2019.
Thanks, Gary and good morning, everyone I'll start on page nine for the third quarter net revenues decreased 3.9% to 1.1 billion.
The decrease was driven primarily by 3% reduction and core revenues, 2% headwind from foreign currency, partially offset by a 1% contribution from the BPI acquisition.
Diluted earnings per share was 17 cents, a decrease of 10 cents compared to prior year.
Adjusted diluted earnings per share was 26 cents a decrease of 14 cents.
Adjusted an unadjusted earnings per share we're heavily impacted in the quarter by an increase in our effective tax rate to 56.9%.
Significantly higher than expected and prior year due to a combination of a greater proportion of earnings from non us higher tax rate jurisdictions, the impact of the guilty provision of us tax reform and discrete items in the quarter.
The impact of guilty drove approximately 13 percentage points of the rate due to a higher percentage of our projected earnings being realized foreign jurisdiction subject to guilty. Additionally, the onetime impact of discrete items related to other comprehensive income drove another 11 percentage points of the rate.
Our cash tax rate in the quarter was in the high team as we continue to realize the benefit of our NLL.
We're now tracking toward the full year effective tax rate of approximately 40% to 44% compared to our prior expectations of 33% to 36%.
Excluding the impact of guilty and the other discrete items the adjusted effective tax rate for the full year would be approximately 28 half percent.
We expect to impact the guilty to taper off in 2020, which will favorably impact or effective tax rate in the future.
Third quarter, adjusted EBITDA was 108.9 million generating margins of 10.0%.
Down 170 basis points compared to prior year core adjusted EBITDA margins, excluding the impact of FX and M&A also decreased 170 basis points compared to prior year.
Adjusted EBITDA declined compared to prior year due to the de leverage impact of lower volumes in Australasia, and North America, the impact of inefficiencies in our North America Windows business and the absence of legal settlement income of 7.3 million recognized last year.
Both price cost and productivity were favorable drivers of adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, we're not sufficient to offset the headwinds I just described.
I'd like to put a little more context around the year over year decrease in core adjusted EBITDA margin of 170 basis points, we estimate that the 5% volume mix revenue headwind caused a 280 basis point negative impact to core EBITDA margins.
In North America Windows operational inefficiencies drove a 70 basis point headwind and finally, the non recurrence of the 2018 legal settlement income was a 60 basis point headwind.
These factors total approximately 400 basis points of core margin headwind in the quarter given that we reported only 170 basis point net decrease in core EBITDA margins that tells us that other factors such as price cost productivity outside of North America Windows and strong SDMA controls combined to deliver significant.
Core margin improvement versus prior year. This underlying improvement underscores the progress, we're making across the platform at the gym deployment.
As volume mix stabilizes and we realize operational improvement from our North America window business, we expect to return to overall core margin expansion in the near future.
Page 10 provide detail of our revenue drivers for the quarter, our pricing realization was once again strong at 2%. However, this pricing strength was more than offset by 5% decline in volume mix.
Australasia experienced significantly lower volumes and was sequentially worse as shown by the 12% headwind in volume mix in the quarter compared to an 8% headwind through the first half of the year.
Please move to page 11, where I'll take you through the segment detail beginning with North America.
Net revenues in North America for the third quarter declined by 1.4% driven by core revenue decrease of 3%.
We continue to achieve healthy price realization of 2%, but this pricing benefit was more than offset by a volume mix headwind of approximately 5%.
Adjusted EBITDA in North America decreased by 20.9%.
Compared to prior year, driven primarily by the impact of volume mix inefficiencies in the window business and the Nonrecurrence of legal settlement income in the same period last year. These factors were partially offset by favorable price cost and positive productivity and doors in Canada.
Moving onto page 12, we were very pleased with Europe's operational performance in the quarter, we delivered both core revenue and core EBITDA margin expansion for the first time since early 2018.
Net revenues in Europe for the third quarter decreased 1.8% compared to prior year. The decrease in net revenues was driven primarily by 5% headwind in foreign currency, excluding the impact of foreign currency Europe core revenue grew 3%.
Adjusted EBITDA in Europe increased 8.9% driven by strong core adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 120 basis points. The margin improvement was driven primarily by favorable price cost and improve productivity.
On page 13, net revenues in Australasia for the third quarter decreased 17.1%, driven primarily due to us, 12% contraction and core revenue and a 5% adverse impact from foreign currency.
Our Australasia segment drives approximately 75% of its revenue from the Australia residential new construction housing market.
Which has weakened considerably as the year has progressed.
According to the most recent housing industry Association report housing starts are forecasted to declined by 20% in 2019.
The latest forecast signals further declines in new construction housing into the first half of 2020 before recovery begins in the second half of the year.
Adjusted EBITDA in Australasia decreased 22.3% and core EBITDA margins contracted by 80 basis points due to the de leverage impact of lower volumes.
We remain focused on cost controls to ensure that we align our facility footprint and overhead structure with the declining market.
Since the downturn started we have completed a number of facility rationalization project and have several other restructuring project in progress when completed the combined impact of these initiatives will be a 20% reduction in our number of facilities in Australasia region.
On page 14, we continue to achieve meaningful improvement in our cash performance compared to last year year to date cash flow from operations increased 76.9 million and free cash flow improved 52.5 million, both driven by our focused on more efficient working capital utilization.
Our capital expenditures increased 24.5 million year to date compared to the prior year as we are actively funding attractive returning investments and our footprint rationalization and modernization program as well as other productivity projects.
On the balance sheet, we ended the third quarter with total net debt of 1.39 billion.
An increase of 26 million since December 30, Onest 2018, the increase of our net debt was primarily driven by the cash used to fund the VP acquisition, which we closed in the first quarter and seasonal working capital usage, our net leverage ratio at 3.2 times remains at the upper end of our target range. However, we expect the ratio to improve.
To a quarter turn in the fourth quarter with our normal seasonal reversal of working capital our balance sheet remains strong and our capital structure liquidity and free cash flow generation.
I will provide us with the flexibility to reduce our net leverage ratio over time and fund our strategic initiatives with that I'll turn it back over to Gary to take you through our latest 2019 outlook and provide you with closing comments.
Thanks, John Please turn to page 16.
Consistent with the comments provided on the October 11th call. We now expect full year revenue for 2019 to be approximately 2% below full year 2018, and we expect full year adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $419 million to $429 million.
Our earlier forecast for 2019 anticipated that we would pivot to growth in the second half of the year. Unfortunately market conditions in Australasia, and Canada worsened, while North America weakness continued and Europe performed as expected.
Residential new construction markets provided mixed signals throughout the year and are showing signs of strengthening in the USA.
We have seen pockets of repair and remodel market growth, although not at the expected rates and we will continue to position ourselves to take advantage of any further improvements.
Please turn to page 17.
Despite the impact from volume headwinds our associates have utilized gem to deliver positive productivity in our core operations and have developed an extensive backlog of projects to drive future cost savings and the facility rationalization and modernization plan is on track and we are now actively reducing.
Inefficient and latent capacity.
Confident in our strategy and believe that our ongoing deployment of John will improve our operations and deliver long term value for our shareholders.
Finally, we have no significant update on the Steve's litigation appeal process and given the ongoing nature of the proceedings, we will be unable to take any questions on this topic during the Q in a session with that operator, please open up the call for QNX.
Thank you as a reminder to ask a question you will need to press star one on your telephone to withdraw your question press the pound or hash key please limit questions to one question and one follow up please standby when we come pilots you in a roster.
And our first question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley from Barclays. Your line is open.
Hi, Good morning, Thank you for taking my questions.
I wanted to touch on the implied Q4 guide.
I think previously you guys had talked to seeing some potential operational improvement in the fourth quarter sequentially.
But I think the guide suggests perhaps margins stepped down a bit.
In the quarter. So I'm, just wondering kind of what's changed in your view or over the past months. I know you gave a lot of detail there, but just kind of any specifics around.
Margin profile into Q4, and then kind of timing around when you might see that inflection into into 2020. Thank you.
Thanks, Matt John speaking, yes. So just generally speaking Q4 is going to be.
A weaker margin than Q3, just from seasonality standpoint, we saw that last year.
Margins went from 8.9 in Q3.
Last year down to 6.5 in Q4, so traditionally we do see a bit of a step down.
What we're calling for here is sort of implied at the midpoint. Our guidance is around 9.5%, which is just slightly under what we reported for Q4.
Of last year.
More or less flat core margins year over year, we did have negative core margins in Q3 of 170 basis points. So while we're not that yet back.
Improvement in Q4 that as a sequential improvement.
I think the things that are impacting us in Q4.
Daily certainly from a volume perspective continues to sequentially get worse, we're looking at sort of mid teens type of a volume environment and on Australia in Q4, Europe , probably flat growth.
And North America is still slightly down on a.
Core basis.
So that would imply core volumes are still still down pretty meaningfully offset by some price. So certainly operations are improving in Q4 still facing some of the volume headwinds.
Expect Europe to continue its trajectory of driving year over year core margin improvement. So I think as we get into 2020, certainly we expect that the lag here.
Some of the.
Activity on the new construction side in North America to start to contribute to.
Some volume.
Tailwind in 2020.
Okay perfect. Thanks for that detail and then secondly, you know you guys did highlight still seeing some some favorable price cost trends in North America.
Finally, we've seen some public announcements from your competitors.
North America, just how are you guys thinking about the pricing environment in North America into 2020.
Thanks for the question.
So we don't comment on competitive actions.
But certainly aware of that found out about probably the same time you did.
But I would like to highlight that were in our fourth consecutive quarter of positive price cost. So we're going to remain disciplined about pricing. We continue to look at at the marketplace. Both from a competitive standpoint, looking our cost plus the value that.
That we expected different channels, we don't Preannounced.
Our actions, but we do have dynamic pricing and we're continually monitoring the ability to increase our prices.
As appropriate and we look at a channel by channel as well as product line by product line.
All right understood. Thanks again.
Our next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl from RBC capital markets. Your line is open.
Hi, Thanks for taking my questions.
I wanted to follow up on the.
Pricing question understanding that there's a limit to what you cannot or will say, but asked.
Slightly different way.
Given the volume environment has been.
Somewhat soft and I think thats extended the doors as well as windows.
How are you thinking about the tradeoff between volume and price and can you give us an update and I'm thinking specifically indoors and can you give us an update of where your utilization rates are today.
Yes, I would say.
We've actually had a pretty good run this year on doors.
Maybe a little softer than we would have expected but.
We gain a little bit of share and we've enjoyed.
You know positive a positive view certainly in retail point of sale and as well as our traditional channels. So.
Yes were.
I don't know that Theres or volume story, there on on doors, but when we look where the way. We think about pricing is we do look channel by channel product by product.
We said in the past that we believe we have a differentiated.
Product line, a differentiated service level and and we expect to extract value for that.
And we continue to look at the opportunities to do that on everywhere that we sell our products.
Just on the utilization side, Mike I mean, it varies a lot by product line in country and.
It's tough to generalize them in and Windows right now we've got our vinyl window plants are sold out and we're we're fall full on trying to produce the product.
On the door side clearly, we've got a couple of moving pieces right now as we're ramping up new capacity in Atlanta, and starting to consolidate latent capacity. So.
It's tough to put an exact number on on the utilization, but certainly we've got.
We've got capacity to to grow with customers that want to grow with us I mean, that's one thing I mean that is the underlying the underlying.
Charge will be got with John is really to increase our cycle time increase our capacity and do it in a more efficient way if your facilities. So we're starting to see that that come through as I talked about a couple of projects.
It really Atlanta talked about what we're doing in Australia as well. So I think that that demonstrates that we're focused on increasing our capacity and utilizing what we have as well.
Okay. That's helpful and my second question and sorry, if you.
If you covered this in the response to the prior question, but just around the overall environment.
Less about kind of the seasonality here and more.
Kind of high level, if we think about.
When the pre announcement call happened and today.
Yes are there any differences in Europe fuse either.
Positive or negative based on how.
Order patterns or conversations with customers have progressed over over the past month as we look out.
Maybe not just for Q, but into the beginning of 20.
Yes, I think long term, we we still like the markets that we're in we still think residential new construction has growth in it we think our in our firmed up and we'll we'll be favorable we'd like the underlying foundation of the markets that we're in.
We had expected RMC to be a little stronger on the second half show some growth I'm, obviously, we're seeing some some good indicators, but the lag and when they started happening for US probably is into next is into next year. So so we're looking forward to that so not really a mark in the last month not a market.
Change and what we're seeing in our demand patterns, but we do expect to see that going forward on the on our side.
We've done we've done fairly well, it's been fairly stable, but we do expect to see some firming up there as well, we're seeing that a little bit in the point of sale data and and we would expect that to be a good trajectory and and hopefully a tailwind into 2020.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Phil Ng from Jefferies. Your line is open.
Hey, guys, you're clearly a lot more upbeat about housing broadly and that should hopefully our funnel through early next year.
But a lot of the growth is coming from these entry price point more affordable homes. So what kind of impact you expect that have whether it's from a mix standpoint or volumes. When you look at the 2020.
We.
Phil Good question, we actually tend to be a little more index, maybe higher up the food chain and RMC, maybe more you know the the step up and higher in homes.
There is.
Opening price point seems to be fairly strong, but we're seeing some activity.
You know.
Higher up in the more more value homes, as well and Thats, where we play we're starting to see data that suggests that we should see see improvements in our demand pattern, where where index.
So we don't really play at at the opening price point, so much so we don't.
Don't really see that other than in data, but we are seeing firming up certainly in the move up section and then of course on you know there's always just.
Seems to be a level of stability at the at the higher end that that we often see.
I would just add on generally speaking from a channel standpoint in North America, our traditional distribution channel.
It's going to be higher margin profile than our retail channel not largely because of the mix of the products that sold through their stock versus specials things like that so.
So certainly a growth in new construction would be a favorable mix impact for us relative to what we've experienced this year, where traditional channels been lower and retail spend a little higher. So that's an opportunity I'd also say, we've got some particular judgment specific investments that we're making around fiber glass doors.
Where that product category is growing very nicely for us and we believe taking some share.
And as that product continues to grow into 2020 on the new construction side. That's a that's a richer mix margin product for us and should be.
A tailwind I guess to the klimek side of things as we get into 2020.
Got it Thats really helpful and just one more for me.
What's your outlook for inflation in 2020, and assuming all the Nance tariffs do stick how should we think about the level pricing you need to kind of push through to offset these headwinds and could be a drag in margin margins. When we think about 2020. Thanks.
So as we look at.
Think about sort of for the.
The whole basket of inflation across the board for labor freight materials.
Certainly we are still an inflationary environment either things have stabilized meaningfully from where we were in late 2018 in terms of the pace of what we were seeing but certainly.
They are theres across the board and all three of our geographic segments.
We still see inflation and so as we think about.
Building, a plan and what we Operationalizing our business certainly our goal is to make sure that we.
And now and realize enough price to more than offset.
That basket inflation, and so going into 2020.
I think this year on year to date, we've we've been in the ballpark range as a percent of sales kind of pricing.
Cost tailwind of about 100 basis points and I'm, just speaking specifically there to.
Materials and freight and excluding labor for the moment. So certainly our goal would be to continue to deliver that sort of trajectory into 2020 as well.
But if you had to size 2020 versus 2019 terms the magnitude would 2020 be more manageable in a relative basis versus 90.
Yeah, I would say I wouldnt say its markedly different at this point and we'll give guidance for 2020 on our on our next call.
Thanks, a lot.
Our next question comes from the line of Truman Patterson from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning, everybody. This is actually trade routes noncore trim and I wanted to touch on it on your international segments, Australia with starts down I think you said, 20% or so I know you said that new red is about 75% that market, but has that demand deterioration.
That exclusively in the new Red channel in the newest intervention ours had expanded to our and our as well and then kind of piggybacking off that in Europe , what kind of surprised that conditions, having having slowed as much or the economy installing them.
Can you give us an update on what you're seeing is pricing at risk of sliding back at all there.
Yes, So Australia.
It is really.
Is really focused the downturn there is really focused on residential new construction. It is very much attributed to the credit tightening.
Activities of the government.
There are in our segment remains.
Fairly stable.
And the opportunity there that we've been working on for a number of years, we've talked about gaining share in our and that's really where where we're working towards being a growth, but yes, it's very very.
Focused on resin construction in Australia.
The.
As far as Europe is the markets are mixed it's abroad casket of a different conditions.
I guess for us what we've seen is but the markets that had been stronger for us markets like the UK and France, we've seen growth.
Comes at a little bit of an expense.
The to our basket.
It's.
The little lower margin than than what we realized maybe in the central in the north but as you know take Europe as a whole for the way we look at Europe , it's about flat.
From a market standpoint, the ups and downs offset each other and the difference really just becomes.
Channel mix.
So hopefully that answers your question about Europe .
Yep Yep. Thank you for that and then.
Within mindset to acquire Milgard, just wondering how has that changed and industry dynamics and how do you view that going forward.
There is I mean, there's been a lot of consolidation and and the window market certainly over the last two years in particularly on the on the vinyl side.
The milgard businesses.
Business largely focused on the west West Coast are.
Our vinyl window business as more nationwide and scope.
So I think just generally speaking we think consolidation.
In the market the window market as a good thing it's bound to happen, we'll probably continue to happen, but in terms of that specific transaction, we don't see really any sort of competitive or operational impact to us.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of John Lovallo from Bank of America. Your line is open.
Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my questions first one is.
During the pre announcement call you mentioned that Jim had been rolled out and number of your businesses, but not all of them. I think you also indicated that some of your businesses are operating at or above that kind of target, 15% EBITDA margin can you just help us dimension, how many of the businesses have Jim rolled out in our operating at that margin level and how many older.
To go.
Well I think the.
This point, there's a two separate two separate subjects on as far as gem going we've actually rolled out if you will hear Jim is our operating system across entire enterprise, where a different levels of maturity in a different places.
Yeah.
Of deployment of the various tools so as we as we go to certain plans on certain businesses, we have modeled plants, where we've deployed more and we continue to push the envelope on talked about fast. We can go as we try the tools and as they adapt we adapted tools by Rob.
Operating system to gel when making sure that we learn and we continue to push the envelope. So we can use those learnings and those processes to deploy more broadly across the enterprise. So we are continually looking at all of our plants, we kind of rack and stack on the deployment of tools as well as on performance I would.
Tell you that.
We have a lot of plants. So it's hard for us to say that every single one of them. You know is at the same level on any given on tool I would say problem solving a visual management.
Your day to day.
Day to day, our to our wide operations were pretty consistent across.
We're starting to see functional utilization of our business operating tools as well, but will you know to early very early stages. So we continue to move forward. We continue to learn and we continue as an organization to improve.
As far as talking about which businesses.
Bob or below.
It's a particular target I can tell you that we have exemplars in every area of our company on different metrics, including EBIT da outperformance.
On performance on on time delivery on quality safety and we continue to benchmark those as we look at developing our business operating system best practices and deploying what's working in one area becomes kind of the standard the best known way that we deploy everywhere else.
Okay. Thank you for that and then John .
Your prepared remarks, you bucketed.
Three different headwinds from margin to the volume and mix to win new efficiencies in North America, and then the legal on a year over year basis, which are about 400 basis points and then on the positives you mentioned pricing cost productivity in SGN a actions I was just hoping you could maybe.
Break those out or quantify each of those positive impacts.
Yeah, I mean, I think so price costs.
Was a in the ballpark of about 100 basis point tailwind to margin.
And then productivity.
Probably made up made up the rest.
I think I've seen a as more of an issue of just holding us DNA.
Flat.
Sort of declining volume market as opposed to thing.
Significant reductions, but certainly it was a contributor to helping.
Helping the profitability.
Okay. Thank you guys.
Okay.
And our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes from Suntrust. Your line is open.
Thank you on questions back to Europe .
First EBITDA gains year over year.
Since the beginning of 2018.
So couple short long term question that number one do you think that we'll continue with the cost saves you highlighted for the next couple of quarters, and then looking longer term in Europe . It doesnt seem like a place where were york ever going to get a lot of volume growth.
What sort of the long term plan to grow that business. After we get this profit bounce.
So thanks. Thanks for the question, yes, we actually like Europe quite a bit we think we have not we actually take second half. Your question first we actually like our opportunities for growth there both in.
In looking across the organization looking across the landscape of.
Products that we we sell in one market that maybe we don't sell in another on there's a lot across opportunity across solutions that that quite frankly, we started to demonstrate with our acquisition Adama for for example, but taking those technologies in those capabilities from central and north bringing them into the UK in France.
For example, and likewise vice versa. So we think theres a lot of opportunity to gain share in the markets that we currently serve we do think that theres. Some adjacent markets that that are underserved by gel. One today that we believe that weekend, we can grow into and and expand the business, we actually like the growth prospects for Europe .
We also like what we're doing in terms of how we're going after that which is looking at the business in a more pan European approach. We've made some leadership changes there that we announced earlier in the year on and they're very very focused on on bringing that organization together continuing to look at at our cost structure and.
And just as we talked about we Didnt didn't mention examples in Europe today.
For our rationalization modernization program for the same type of efforts are going on there as well and we'll continue to drive efficiencies drive our performance and provide capacity for growth. So we actually like Europe , we think theres, a great opportunity for us to grow there.
And all the profit side is should we have a couple of quarters of tailwind from this cost work you highlight early in the call.
Yeah, I would say the.
The visibility that we've got around the productivity pipeline right now in Europe is very healthy I mean in terms of the what we'd expect to get out of the next few quarters certainly.
In order for us to continue on the same trajectory we got to have the projects identified at this point and know exactly what it is we're going to go execute on and.
We are certainly in that position.
As we look into early 2020.
And from a pricing action standpoint, you know at this point in the year, we've taken all the pricing actions that we're going to be taken for the most part in 2019 will look for additional opportunities in 2020, and Europe and so there's really nothing changed on the landscape here that would.
Imply that we should not continue core margin expansion in 2020 in Europe .
Okay. Thank you.
Yes.
Again, if you'd like to ask a question that star one on your telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut from Jpmorgan. Your line is open.
Hi, Theres a lot on for Mike you touched on some of the opportunities for the topline in Europe and in cyber glass doors, perhaps.
I will say curious what other opportunities you're seeing to grow the topline, especially from a product mix or new product standpoint, and where do you see the most opportunity for growth.
Yes, so certainly in.
And your question is just generally right you weren't to speak into Europe I believe.
Yes, certainly in North America, one of the biggest opportunity as we've got that we talked about on the last earnings call. It the composite window launch.
Which were as we get into 2020 that is going to be ramping up a full scale nationwide launch.
We believe that that has the opportunity to be a meaningful contributor to.
North America growth over the next few years.
So thats certainly an example of a new products, let's say in in Australasia, There's some.
New opportunities there as well both from a product and a capability standpoint were I believe Gary mentioned on the last call, we're getting ready to commissioning a new.
Joining me door facility in Indonesia.
That will have the capability to sell doors into Australia, as as well into other markets as well and we've got good demand from customer base there.
So that those are just a couple of other examples of things that we've got visibility too, but certainly in continuing to invest and new products and innovation and service innovation as our key priorities for us as we look into the future you couple that with what we're doing in.
A customer segmentation and our service delivery.
Work as well as in the Digitization and modernization of our commercial aspects of our business and we feel like we're really structured to start seeing some significant core growth in this business.
Okay, Great and then we'll just wanted to follow up on on some of the comments in North America window. So during two key you had mentioned due to reduced head count, thereby that 620 employees here.
This quarter you mentioned.
Can you guys encountered some over time constantly erratic order patterns and the window stagnant. So from the retail channel I'm just curious if part of the efforts to restore stability the windows business at least in the short term as you continue to roll out the gym practices.
You're thinking about the right level staff for that business. Thanks.
Listen there's no doubt that that.
That what you point out as part of the problem that.
As part of part of the problem right and part of the solution. We've we've doubled down on our efforts with jam and our tools in order to apply problem solving for that business.
We do believe that.
That the issues were isolated in order and then we'll see sequential improvement there.
Comes down to staffing it comes down to our build cycles and it comes down to how orders are placed and and how we plan for them. So it's the combination of all of that.
And when you got you we've got to take the signals that we get from the market, we need to deploy those through our SAP process and are planning processes to ensure that we've got the right capacity the right the right manpower and write throughput in order to meet customer demand. So we'll continue to monitor that we feel like weve.
With the right.
Tools into place in the right remediation actions into places I said earlier, and we expect to see operational improvements sequentially in the business.
Okay, great. Thank you.
There are no further questions at this time I will turn the call back over to Gary Michelle for closing remarks.
Well, thanks again for joining us this morning, while our third quarter performance was disappointing, we believe the issues or specific to the quarter and isolated and we do not expect them to recur.
I remain excited about our progress with Jem and the rationalization of modernization programs. While we're in early innings of the deployment of both of those we are in the stage, where we expect to begin to see pm.
Results I'd like to thank you again for joining US today, we look forward to sharing our progress in the coming quarters.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating you may now disconnect.