Q3 2019 Earnings Call

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Thanks, and good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining today's conference call and webcast on the call today's can thaxton, President and CEO and David Glendon, Our Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, today's presentation is being webcast and will be available on our website. Following the call. Today's agenda will be as follows gave will provide a detailed.

Overview of our third quarter 2019 results.

It will then provide his corporate update and then Dave will provide comments on a full year guidance along with an update on our cost reduction program, followed by Q and eight.

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And management discussion and analysis, which can be found on SEDAR and Edgar as well as other regulatory filings. This presentation should also be viewed in conjunction with our quarterly earnings release with that ill now turn the call over to Dave Mclennan for his review of the third quarter results. Thank you David note that we report our financial.

Results in us dollars and on a U.S. GAAP basis. We also present non-GAAP results to provide a better understanding of our operating performance a full reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results is available on our web site.

Total revenue in the third quarter was $174 million down 14.5% compared to Q3 2018. This level of quarterly revenue was below our expectations due to lower demand for certain hardware products, which I will which I will review in more detail shortly.

non-GAAP gross margin in the third quarter was 31.7%.

From 30.8% to the prior quarter.

Our non-GAAP operating expense in Q3 was 53.3 million down $3.2 million year over year from Q3 2018.

The Q3 results reflect realization of savings from our cost reduction initiatives, partially offset by selective investments being made to grow our subscription based services business.

Investments we made in Q3 were largely focused on go to market initiatives in the areas of sales and corporate marketing.

Our GAAP operating expenses in Q3 included restructuring expense of 6.3 million associated with our cost reduction initiatives.

Our non-GAAP net income was $1 million or three cents per share compared to $10.5 million over 29 cents in the same period last year.

We have two reporting segments, I OTI solutions and embedded broadband.

Our I O T solutions segment is comprised of horizontal and vertical services as well as gateway in module hardware products that provide our customers with fully integrated Aiotv solutions.

This reporting segment is focused on providing highly differentiated device to cloud offerings that generate high margin higher value end to end solutions.

Within the segment in the third quarter, our services revenue increased 5% year over year and within that the recurring subscription portion was up 7% year over year.

This year over year comparison excludes the revenue from the tank monitoring business, which we sold in December last year.

Our enterprise Gateway and rotor revenue grew 14% year over year. While this is strong growth that was not as strong as expected due to several factors, including several large scale customer upgrade projects being delayed at some customers deferred upgrading to Fourg as result of the Threeg network Sunset being extended we.

Also saw some excess inventory in the North American distribution channel and experienced reduced demand from one of our telematics gateway customers in Asia Pac.

This growth in services and gateways was offset by year over year decline in the lower margin module hardware products in this segment, including a sharper than expected decline in two gn threeg embedded module sales as our key customers purveyor prepared to move to LBW way, we'll fourg solutions.

And some demand softness in Q3 in the areas of security energy.

As a result, I OTI solutions revenue was down 2 million for 2% year over year to 93.4 million.

Increase in Q3, the OTI solutions segment was 54% of consolidated revenue.

Sales in our embedded broadband segment, which is comprised of our high speed cellular modules, primarily used at automotive mobile computing and networking markets, but which typically don't provide the opportunity to provide an end to end solution declined 25% year over year to 80.6 million.

This decrease reflects the expected weaker demand from our mobile computing and networking customers year over year as we complete certain programs with these customers and weaker industry wide demand and automotive combined with expected delays in the launch of new high volume programs, including certain Volkswagen platforms.

In Q3 of the embedded broadband segment was 46% of consolidated revenue.

Looking at non-GAAP gross margin in Q3 total gross margin was 55.1 million or 31.7% in Q3 compared to 67.3 million or 33.1% to the prior year.

On a sequential basis compared to Q2, our gross margin percentage improved.

T solutions gross margin was 37.7% up from 37.2% in the second quarter and embedded broadband gross margin was 24.7% up from 24% in Q2 resulted in consolidated gross margin of 31.7% up sequentially from 30.8%.

Q3, adjusted EBITDA was 6.3 million compared to $16 million a year ago.

Moving onto the balance sheet during the third quarter cash flow from operations was $8 million capital spending in the third quarter was $5.3 million, resulting in free cash flow of 2.7 million and a net increase in our cash balance of 2.1 million to end the quarter with $87.1 million of cash.

With that I will now turn the call over to Ken to provide a corporate update Ken.

Thanks, Dave.

And laying out for the past year path to value creation for our business and shareholders by transforming to an eye on T. solutions company.

With recurring revenue driven from Aiotv conductivity software and managed service offerings from a mostly hardware only company.

We've made strong progress in our transformation and I will highlight our I O T solution success in Q3, as we experienced accelerating momentum and had a record quarter for new recurring service wins.

At the same time the hardware only part of our business has been challenging and has delivered revenue below our expectations.

We continue to make progress towards our announced target of 200 million an analog annualized recurring revenue by the middle of 2022, and 400 million by the middle of 2024. This underpins our long term value creation strategy.

We are focused on building a recurring revenue business as it creates greater predictability and a flywheel of accelerating growth.

The challenges that it takes time to build significant volume of recurring revenue units into the market.

To help and measuring the long term impact of the new recurring revenue business. We are generating we measure the lifetime value of our recurring revenue wins to provide visibility of future recurring revenue.

The lifetime value of recurring service wins in Q3 continued to accelerate and was more than twice the value of wins in the second quarter. This year.

And the cumulative value wins in the first nine months of this year was 170% of all of 2018.

I'm pleased with the service win rate as we transform our business and we're on track to capture the service wins in Q4 to achieve the 400 million to 450 million range of LTV of design wins in 2019 that I'd said as our target at the start this year.

The design cycle of our business means the service wins, often take about 18 to 24 months to start contributing to our PNM now so while you don't see this progress in our current TNL, there was increasing future value in our delivery pipeline.

It is this level of record activity and with many conversations with customers. It gives me confidence they are seeing value and our integrated end to end Aiotv solutions and we are getting solid traction the sectors of the IC market that we're focused on.

T solutions into the industrial Iot market.

And gateways and high OTI enterprise networking.

And we see this progress growing with more higher value and predictable recurring revenue design wins as our current sales pipeline from occurring revenue opportunities has tripled from the beginning of 2019.

In the first nine months of this year, we have added close to 300000 net new connected devices and now have close to 3.5 million aiotv connected devices globally, which is up 9% from the end of 2018.

The major contributor to that growth has been the uptake of our Crs Smart Sim, which has really accelerated this year and reflects our higher valued customer wins with device plus services.

The smart Sim connection rate is driving our strong overall growth despite some attrition and devices in our legacy vertical businesses as expected.

We had many strong solution wins this quarter and a good example is our win of a public lighting company based in North America, that's deploying our HL 7800 Cat M LP W.A. module as well as our Crs smart Sim to connect each of their lights standards enable them them to sell smart city lighting platforms as a.

Solution as a service.

This win is certainly good for our LT W.A. module business, but more importantly, it will help drive our subscription based service revenue as we provide the customers more than 200000 smart Sim connections in its first deployment.

As a global provider of smart lighting, the customers focused on five geographic regions and this is a major reason why they selected Sierra because our smart Sim makes it easy to deploy biotech on activity around the world.

This was a competitive process and our wins shows the value of our bundled solution to customers. We do expect their volume to increase overtime as they shift away from RF mesh networks to cellular connectivity.

The behavior. We're also seeing at many of the smart metering companies.

When such as this and others. This quarter will contribute 1 million to 5 million an annualized recurring revenue as they're fully rolled out.

Another win this quarter was an enterprise networking customer looking for managed connectivity to enable a global consulting climate client that is growing its business.

We were able to provide an airlink gateway.

Model together with connectivity services and managed uptime through our 24 by seven network operating center in Atlanta.

This solution is a perfect example of how we can significantly reduce the customers deployment risk speed up the time to deployment and scale from a north American role of total worldwide deployment.

Our solution eliminated any end to end integration issues and going forward they will be using our multi MZ smart Sim for international services, and providing strong revenue per device of $35 per month.

The industrial IR team market has not growing as fast as market predictions.

My discussions with existing and prospective prospective industrial biotech customers. Many many have expressed frustration with how long it takes them to deploy their loyalty programs.

Some customers might start with individual parts of the solution, but they often don't have the internal teams are capabilities to implement a fully integrated aiotv deployment.

In fact study showed that today over 70% of Aiotv projects have failed because of the complexity. There is it that is involved.

That's where our fully integrated end to end aiotv solution, including the Aiotv device cloud management conductivity and security makes their deployment simple and scalable.

We took a major step in this direction with the announcement in mid October of the general availability of our octave all in one edge to cloud solution for connecting Aiotv industrial assets.

Uptake of goes a step further in simplifying and de risking aiotv deployments for our customers. It provides edge to cloud data orchestration and while at the same time, providing connectivity and security that is fully integrated.

Octave enables companies to get applications up and running within days instead of month, giving them access to equipment data that allows them to maximize machine performance and uptime reduce maintenance cost and transform their business model.

A recent report published by Forrester Research estimates that companies can get their aiotv deployments to market up to 12 months sooner and reduce their overall aiotv project cost by more than 40% using octave compared to sourcing discrete solutions.

I was attending our innovation summit in Europe last month, where we had a record number of customers and developers demonstrating a leading edge aiotv applications.

Exhibit, though one of our customers a leader in environmental waste management in Europe has incorporated octave into its proprietary smart bio waste collector, Brazil. It didnt have the dedicated resources to solve their issues. So they simply relied on Sierra and the octave solution to link the bio waste equipment to the cloud in Rex.

Third time, and without any development or installation risk spending their time to market increasing their ROI on their connected waste management installations.

In the third quarter, we integrated octave into the Microsoft is your platform and secured our first octave wins, including our first end to end octave Microsoft is your customer.

This individual customers in the smart building sector and its connecting ventilation systems to improve uptime performance and preventative maintenance.

Its use case demonstrates how octaves edge to cloud data orchestration integrates perfectly with his year for our customers Aiotv analytical requirements.

We are working closely with Microsoft on our joint go to market plans for 2020, which will include joint marketing and sales activities and C and we see significant future growth opportunities from our collaboration with Microsoft and being their preferred edge solution partner.

So with our record design wins are improving opportunities pipeline and our new Aiotv partnerships, we remain focused on delivering high recurring services revenue.

As announced at our Investor Day in June of this year from our current annualized run rate of 100 million. Our objective is to deliver 200 million at higher margin recurring services revenue in three years time, and then double act to 400 million recurring revenue over the ensuing two years to.

To further expand our I O T services and solutions business today, we announced that we have signed an agreement to purchase the M and group in Australia, or 19.8 million to expand our I O T solutions business in the Asia Pacific region.

And to M. has a strong history of Aiotv leadership in Australia.

They are focused on growing their io Te connectivity services business and they also sell our cellular gateways in modules.

The business has an excellent strategic fit with our I O T solutions business, because slightly more than half the company's revenue comes from subscription based recurring revenue.

And this part of the business has been accelerating nicely over the last three years MDM group's revenue in the last 12 months was us $17.9 million of which $9.2 million was recurring subscription revenue.

And we expect the acquisition to be accretive to earnings immediately following closing in early 2020.

The MDM group has a solid platform for us to increase our Aiotv services and solutions in Australia as well as expand into other new regional markets, such as New Zealand and Southeast Asia.

So while we're on track to grow our our Iot solutions business enhanced by the purchase of the MTM group.

We're also seeing some weakness in our hardware revenue as Dave noted in his earlier comments.

In certain areas of our embedded modules business, we are being impacted by the accelerated slowdown in both the auto and PC markets as well as low cost competition in our module space.

While we anticipate addition, our transformation strategy it is happening in some areas faster than we thought.

Countering this our integrated device to cloud solutions are differentiating us from module, only suppliers and allowing us to win in the industrial Iot T. segments that we are targeting.

And we continued to grow strongly and picked up market share in the enterprise market.

So with a record design wins are improving opportunities pipeline and our new Aiotv partnership we remain focused on delivering higher value recurring services revenue.

And growing our current annualized run rate of 100 million of services revenue to 200 million higher margin recurring services revenue in three years time, and then double that again to 400 million in recurring services revenue over the ensuing two years.

I will now hand, the call back today for the outlook for 2019 and his comments on the solid progress that we are making on delivering our 40 to 50 million in cost reduction initiatives Dave.

Thanks, Ken I will now provide an update to our full year guidance and some comments on the fourth quarter.

In Q4, we expect Aiotv solutions segment revenue to increase sequentially based on growth in our enterprise solutions Gateway business and improved demand in our integrated OTI modules business. However, we expect the growth in OTI solutions will be more than offset by a sequential decrease in our embedded broadband segment due to a continued decay.

Finally, our mobile computing business and lower demand for networking customers.

For our full year 2019 outlook, we're now expecting OTI solutions segment revenue increased approximately 3% to 4% year over year and embedded broadband segment revenue to decrease approximately 20% to 23% year over year, resulting in full year 2019 revenue between 700 made and 700.

12 million.

As a result, we now expect adjusted EBITDA in 2019 to be approximately $23 million and non-GAAP EPS to be in the range of zero to three cents.

Before we move on to Q today, I would like to provide a few comments regarding the progress being made on the cost reduction initiatives in 2019.

We're on track to meet our target of reducing cost of sales and operating expenses by approximately $40 million to $50 million as we exit 2020.

In the first half of the year I spoke about initiatives underway, including consolidated R&D and the number of global design centers reorganizing our go to market approach into a single sales and support are going to organization outsourcing certain business processes in the areas of finance.

In HR activities and renegotiating, our agreements with our contract manufacturing partners.

In the second half of the year, we've continued to implement new initiatives focused on product development efficiency gains based on further consolidation of R&D and product management teams and additional reductions in cost of goods sold including further reductions in our contract manufacturing costs.

We estimate these additional initiatives will provide approximately $9 million of savings once implemented bringing the total estimated annual savings to approximately 32 million once fully implemented.

Offsetting this sort of some selective targeted reinvestments in go to market, an R&D that will drive growth and product areas, such as LBW radiant fiveg as well as our higher value Aiotv solutions.

This concludes our formal remarks. Thank you very much operator, we can now we'll open the call for the acuity sessions.

Last question. Please press star one telephone keypad. Your next question comes from Mike Walkley of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Yes. This is actually on for Mike.

In terms of the impact to the accounting adjustment this quarter's results as well as 2019 guidance.

Reduction from previously how much was the accounting impact and is there potentially a catch up later on when.

This impacted revenue may be recognized later.

I'm, sorry, I'm not I'm not following you on the accounting impact could you could you just elaborate please.

Yeah sure in the relief said that third quarter results reflect adoption of the CH 42, just wanted to know what the impact of that was a result, as well as guidance Oh Thats highly standards.

Mike and it it doesn't have any potential impact.

Okay got it.

And then just given the revision on the guidance is your three year.

Five year long term guidance still intact.

Hi can't here, so we've been focusing on driving the transformation to a aiotv solutions and higher recurring revenue so as I highlighted our design wins in the.

Services aspect the Aiotv solutions were strong and yes, we remain on track for that the shortage. The challenges we've seen had been in some of the module only.

Areas, our business as well as previously mentioned PC, OEM and a and automotive so we.

We are.

We were we have done the differentiation to talk about Aiotv solutions and drivers of growth and nowhere those areas or are going well.

I brought to light some customer examples because we are winning good business in those areas with very strong recurring revenues that.

As I mentioned takes time to get from design win through into our units in the field and showing in our recurring revenue, but that part of the business is strong.

Got it.

So for me I'll pass on the Q.

The Mtwom acquisition.

In a given the the January expect to close they what do you expect in terms of the contribution next year will there be a ramp and any synergies.

In a big entity accretive guidance.

Yeah, I think we sized it for you when a in Ken's comments in terms of the trailing.

The trailing revenue and.

Within that recurring revenue side of things than we do expect some growth off of those numbers in 2019.

I would add that the.

The business will be run stand alone and where you know it's been running at about mid teens EBITDA margins and we would expect to continue to running at around that level.

And it will be accretive right away when we close.

Got it Andrew.

Your next question comes from San All small shuffling of BMO capital markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open hi, good afternoon.

The real it might be but early you talk about 2020, but just help us understand directionally.

Some of the hardware headwinds.

When you might see them start to resolve I'm, sorry, I guess Pcs and networking will be challenging for awhile.

But would you expect autos to start improving for example in the first half of 20 on back of ramps.

I'm sure I'll start off five cantona here and I'll pass it onto Dave I think that no we're not giving 2020 guidance, yet, but certainly you're modeling some of the trends. We had highlighted previously that you know the PC OEM area, where we had a couple of design win losses.

And Weve completed shipping products too.

Lenovo and gallons so.

Those come out of our numbers, you're seeing that this quarter and that will be continuation into 2020 on the counter side of that we're seeing good growth in our I O T solutions business with strong growth in recurring revenue continued strong growth in our on our enterprise business. So.

Identity solutions growing and embedded broadband declining on a year on year, but Dave any further comments I think those are the transcript.

If you just clarifying the commentary regarding the decline in two to three g. as customers are transitioning to forging dopey PW, a when does that start to alleviate.

Yeah, I think you know that business is getting smaller and smaller I hate that that that slows down a as we get into 2020.

You know I will say with the extension of some of the Threeg networks will probably be.

Active and in Threed products through 2020.

Okay.

And then as far as.

Gross margins in Q4, or how should we think about that.

Directionally compared to a current corner.

Yeah, I would expect some modest improvements sequentially Santos from where we were in Q3, you a little bit on mix improvement.

Coupled with a cost reduction initiatives.

Should see us modestly up sequentially.

Okay, and then finally as far as M&A would you be looking to continue making more connectivity acquisitions or now with a M. M. Do you feel that you have the coverage that you need to global basis.

Yeah, you know previously the company acquired two MB knows in Europe , and two in North America.

Had previously that got us to scale in those markets as weve been winning more global customers that look for us to be able to provide connectivity to their devices wherever they ship in the world we needed to strengthen our position and in Asia Pac and so this really fulfill is that I am teams done a very good job.

Okay and helps us get a better conductivity volume and scale in that region, and ER and expertise as we work to have.

Continuation extension of of carrier relationships, we have around the world. So.

This was smaller in scale in some of the other ones and and fit a specific need so no. We're not on the on the trail for further spent this this was a very good strategic fit as noted Ari distributing our products and a good relationships. So we expect this too.

You have to build nicely with our business and we see good opportunities in the Southeast Asia region.

Right up front line.

Your next question comes from Todd Copeland I'd see Ibcs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hi, good evening everyone.

Maybe you said this but I missed it so I apologize if you did.

What is the current.

On rate annualized run rate of your recurring revenue and what's been the growth since the analyst.

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In revenues up 7% year on year, I think it was up 3% sequentially in the quarter and try and where.

In the.

The the elements in our they're picking up are accelerating as we why we brought to light for the first time that net new.

Connected units that are showing strong growth by our smart Sim. So that the elements are driving that recurring revenue our are picking up nicely.

And we'll see that continue through Q4 in 2020.

And just to size that in absolute dollars for you taught the the total service revenue in Q in Q3 was 24.6 and within that the recurring subscription amount was 23.5, so as Ken mentioned that that recurring amount was up 3% sequentially and up 7% year over year.

And did I did I hear this correctly that your baseline was at about 100 million. When you started this journey, so you're a little bit low below that now so is that just seasonality or.

What's what's the bridge yeah that 100 million did have when we bought numerex. They did have a a.

Small hardware component in their revenues. So I think that's what would you maybe referring to is that a that included that small revenue or certainly very small hardware component of the numerex verticals. This is this is pure.

Sure.

Services revenue that referring to so to put that in perspective in 2018, there was a boat annualized $90 million to $92 million of out of service revenue in 2018, and as I've said targets, both for our company and for the market I've.

Rounded Todd So 100 to 200 to 400 is is what were out to achieve and so we were slightly below the 100, but we're.

I'm, just using that broadly as our starting point, yeah, that's our and I'm actually not picking on it I was just trying to figure out the where where you were in the in the third quarter relative to that.

Okay, that's fine and then.

Sometimes from other SaaS companies, we here.

Recurring revenue plus committed revenue or backlog if you will.

Is that something you've thought about disclosing to sort of give us an idea on what you might have looked on top of the 100 million to give a I guess a step or view towards that 200 might be something doesn't sound like you're disclosing and now you've just given hands here or there, but committed or contracted room.

Avenue might be something to consider putting out there. So we can sort of bridge start to bridge toward that.

And then the duration on it and start to bridge toward that 200.

Thanks, very much sure. So what we what we what I would I brought out which is new to our.

Reporting for visibility is this LTV of design wins. So it's meant to capture that is meant to capture the.

Recurring revenue. So they said, we'll we'll add 400 to 450 million of lifetime value of recurring revenue from new design wins in 2019, and that's revenue that will.

They will show up in future years, So when you have.

Many SaaS companies you'll have a.

A piece of business that's going to.

Come in at X value per year, the unique things about our businesses, we when a customer like the lighting customer I mentioned as they shift more products each year. The amount of recurring revenue continues to increases the number of our products in the market continues to I to grow every year based on their shipments. So we go to get.

The benefit of recurring revenue, but also as I called the flywheel of with a winning a new customer that level of revenue grows as they continue to shift their products into the field.

And is there is there any duration on this for 50.

Ah, Yes, we look at a <unk> based on the product type we have the number of expected years of service byproduct type so between.

Three to five years and domain of of service, what we will finally, we talk about.

Industrial Aiotv customers the product will be there for the generation of that machine. So when we are in industrial laundry machines. An example, the talkable for those law firm be in the market for 10 plus years, but we we don't.

We don't take our high LTV calculations that were more conservative than that.

Ken if we just simplistically, if we were to divide the 450 by five Thats 90.

Then it would we then add that to the recurring revenue that you have as of Q3.

So.

The you wouldn't desire, we divide by lesser number than five so it's a it's a bigger number then the 90 of annual recurring revenue that we will have one off of this year by you can't add that all to 2020, because it takes as I said 18 to 24 months to get that into production. So.

You know when we win.

We we are working to try to help customers get to market more quickly, but they'll often do.

Task and their systems up and running and sure. The integrations are modules starts to ship built into their product and then after 12 months of shipping will have 12 months worth of devices, giving us recurring revenue. So that's where we take a look at so if you're.

Taking that design wins, and saying, it's a 100 plus million of annual recurring revenue added to our picture.

A couple of years out and that's that's more of the way to look at it that's the signal you're trying to send.

Okay. That's fine one last question so.

You know you've given us a recurring revenue you've given us once you've added what is a rough churn rate. We should think about over that couple of years as we sort of come up with a net number.

Yeah, No churns all of these very important in recurring revenue businesses. So in the industrial Aiotv segment, the churn rate tends to be very low cost of a truck roll to ever go out and voluntarily switch something out is so high that youd you don't see that behavior.

And it really then is on the on the life of the machine. So in most industrial I have a t. segments. We go that churn rate is that is very low we have some other segments of our business.

Where we have managed connectivity service et cetera that will tend to be shorter life and can have slightly higher churn rates, but the main.

Big segments, we're going after and industrial Aiotv are very very low churn rate segments.

So single Weve single digits overall.

Yes.

Really appreciate the color thank the lower.

Your next question comes from Paul Threepar of RBC Capital markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks, so much good afternoon.

In regards to PC OEM segment, you spoke about pursuing and.

New design wins in that space.

How does that progressing should we expect a rebound in that business in 2020.

So we talked about before the next design cycle would be typically around fiveg and I think you'll start to see fiveg have more of an impact in 2021, and some first shipments are going to happen in 2020 any aiotv segment.

But not to but not substantially so.

PC OEM, how will be similar to Q4 run rate throughout 2020.

Okay. Thanks, that's helpful. And then yes, I imagine the majority of the decline in product revenues is volume related can you speak to the trend that you're seeing in may as fees.

Well I think that some of the ASP and I'll, let Dave coming here in a minute, but some of Asps is based on.

Different classes of product so a.

Healthy Wi Fi module is you know circa sub 10, Dollarsfour sub $10, you know, whereas a a cat one device, maybe 20 and then the higher bandwidth modules.

Much higher in price so that there's mix there in our gateway business, where between 300 $500 per per gateway. So.

The mix by.

BYD by devices. The is certainly influenced on volume, but David ownership of the comments on ASP is yes, let's say you know other than other that LP Wu way, we've seen stability. It already ESP. If you look at our our fourg prices pretty stable over the last four quarters.

As a similar with automotive.

So ltd, but LBW a has declined as it gets into more volume, we're seeing you'll price downs and you approaching the you know sort of low low $13 areas down to a more towards $10.

What else Cws and.

Yeah, I guess the extension of that question is what are your thoughts on mix have you seen a material changes in mix. This past quarter or do you anticipate a mix shift to I guess LBW way in 2020 versus where you were between 19.

We are expecting this we have a lot of I think we've talked with this in our Investor day, we've seen we have a lot of.

Customer activity and our funnel for LP WH, so theres lots of.

Market interest in that the rollout of LP WSA has been somewhat slower many of the carriers.

I have taken longer to complete their full.

L. Pwc rollout and then all of the features on LP W.A. like power saving mode. So that you can operate you know in the three to five your battery life on an L. Pwc module has to have networks of Florida, that's not have rolled up back and vigorously yet we're seeing big improvements and global covered by the end of this year and continuing throughout 2020 and so we.

We we will see continued increase in a in L. PW way, we didn't help VW way over the coming.

Three to four years grows dramatically in volume to a seller hundreds of millions of devices per year as that becomes more mainstream and more.

Supported by carriers globally. So we're on the very front edge of LP W.A. and the volume from our module perspective, you can see that is being lower revenue, but our real attack point here is modules Blas recurring revenue services. So the LTV of a.

Design win with LP W.A. can actually be very strong for us, even though the hardware component of as much slower.

And Paul I'd also add well not a module comment you other parts of our hardware business that are in the Aiotv solutions segment, such as our gateways are also growing fairly rapidly we saw 14% year over year growth in in that product volume out hardware product line and that comes at a fairly high margins fall mid fiftys.

Okay.

That's helpful. The one last one from me.

I'm going to clarification question just in regards to recurring.

Services growth you mentioned is 7% year over year. This quarter I think the last quarter. It might have mentioned is 12% is that the right apples to apples comparison, and then you didnt mention it grew 3% quarter over quarter, but it does look like year over year growth.

Calibrated.

What sort of the moving parts between the quarters. It can help walk us through that.

Sure I mean, let me make some comments and I'll ask Dave to way and so we have we had expected some of the businesses that we acquired such as the.

Vertical businesses add to add numerex and or some of the businesses in Scandinavia from the main gate aren't areas that were actively trying to grow so there's been some.

Declines there and Thats why I brought the smart Sim.

Our strategic adding services to our devices is growing very strongly so there is a bit about transition is the the growth engine to the future and those design wins I talk about we'll all be part of those growth engines are accelerating.

Holding back some of that growth is the old legacy businesses, which.

Make up a good part of 100 million today, but are not part not a big part of our 200 400 million because we're not growing those areas.

And just too just to follow up Paul So if you look at.

Speak about the recurring portion of our services business It grew about.

6.9% in Q2 year over year as well.

Yes, Thanks, that's helpful pipeline.

Your next question comes from record fee of National Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Yes. Thank you so as we look at the next 12 months what else are the major operating initiatives here to sort of drive that are occurring revenue component.

Your base here.

Sure Hi, Richard Cantera.

We.

We're pretty much right across the board I have the company focused on on attaching recurring revenue to our devices and so I'll I'll refer to a few programs have significant here starting with our our smart Sim So our smart Sam.

Selects the strongest network signal and over 200 countries globally, and so as we add that to our products.

It simplifies the journey for the customer because they don't have to a independently be testing in verifying with different carrier Sims around the planet and with our device and hardware. Both managed by our 24 by seven network operating center, we provide a one point of contact to help those customers manage the second step up in or more.

Integrated products, where we instead of having a discrete Sam which we have with their smart Sim. We're now building directly into our modules and gateways embedded Sierra wireless conductivity, so without even having their requirements for installing a sim card to smart Sim technology is built right into the process.

Correct.

And ER and pre integrated in pre tested so thats. The next level of of integration and we've just started shipping that product. This year, we're rolling it out across our portfolio and that's going well and in the third and most integrated approaches our octave products. So we G.A. that product a general availability in October we.

Signed up first handful of customers already including one that we have done end to end with Microsoft and so octave has the connectivity and security built in directly from device to cloud.

We take the sensor data from the edge, we converted two events and we just charge the customer per events there not even looking at per megabyte charger those sorts of of factors, it's proven to be I'm very appealing to customers.

I had a.

Lots of very strong positive feedback from customers at our innovation summit last month, well, they're seeing a great benefits one very large industrial customer was review and get in the renovation department.

And they were complaining that the the marketing department and got a whole that it before they trying to deal with us they were busy marketing it to all of their division. So it's it's a simplification of the implementation of Aiotv. The Forrester research that we mentioned said that customers can get to market 12 months faster and say, 45% of their development cost with often.

So so those are three areas of focus for us little looking to attach service to as many of our I O T solutions modules and gateways as possible leveraging ready to connect as a customer benefit and industrial Aiotv in particular I to leverage our active across the board and it would finally added in our enterprise.

Segments will be run enterprise gateway for our enterprise networking customers.

We have a comprehensive.

Software stack as well to help them manage their network and device and we've been increasing our attach rate of that product and recurring revenue from the software level. In addition to the connectivity level.

I would also at our managed connectivity services also a focus to grow as well, where we where we owe bundled up at a gateway with connectivity to provide those services to enterprises.

Yeah like it sounds like you guys have all the products there I guess I'm more curious on those on the sales side in like as a direct approach the writer approach or any expand the channel partners like.

The number that you guys when I get too.

Got to be a massive acceleration so I'm kind of curious to see what you're doing on that channel or sales side.

Well it.

I will answer that question when you say massive acceleration when you lighting customer we referenced in the in my script here 100000 devices and $10 per LP WH device.

It's about a million dollars revenue, but the recurring revenue from those as they get deployed is over twice that amount per year. So it's actually there's there's a there's a significant.

Value ongoing value creation.

A million one time on hardware to millions annually.

So that's how I tell the recurring revenue side starts to add up dramatically as you add more customers, but on the sales go to market approach first of all we've done a lot of training Q3 was a particularly heavy training quarter of training all of our salespeople and and partners. The channels. We go through.

Through on on adding services to our devices and then secondly partnerships like Microsoft are absolutely key and a big part of the.

Microsoft partner ecosystem is ESI partners that.

Our our I trains and leverage to sell as your products and that being said, we become part of that ecosystem.

As we were in the interim Microsoft partner program. So.

Enhancements off of our existing direct salespeople leveraging our current channels and then adding new partners like Microsoft or the three areas that we're driving our service attach.

Okay, and one last one from me.

Yeah, I know that you didn't want to talk about guidance for 2020, but.

Yes.

Sorry, I fly a bit blind here.

For next year I'm trying to understand we look of the recurring piece, what's the progression like is that a steady progression or is that something that will kind of.

Really accelerate.

Going into the end 2021, like if you can kind of give us some guidelines in terms of how we shot should model that I think that's very helpful for all of US here on the line.

Hi, it's Dave here I want to be careful we're not we're not going to talk or provide guidance for 2020 here on this call I think we did provide some some trends that I think could be useful such as uli a growing trend in our services.

Business grew 7% year over year in in Q3, I think you'll see that accelerate into 2020 and drive stronger growth that way I think you'll see our gateway business accelerated as well.

And and overall drive.

Decent growth and in Aiotv solutions, we will give some of that backfill with with embedded broadband, particularly with having completed shipments here in the near term to the big tier one PC Oems.

We do have a whole to fill in 2020 with respect with respect to that.

Okay. Thanks.

We have completed the allotted time for questions I will now turn the call back over the person tariff for closing remarks.

Okay, well. Thank you very much and we'll have follow up calls with many look forward to discussing our continued transformation and as we work to bring more data points forward and we will continue to do so so hopefully this helps I understand the transformation that we have towards and I have a t. solutions company. Thank you for.

Your time thank you.

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