Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Yes, we will begin the question period.
The speakers on today's call will be Matthew pooled, President and CEO and Alan Haug CFO .
Also joining us on today's call are the president of Cascade business segments, namely shall Moloon, President and COO of the containerboard packaging group non bank President and COO of this specialty products group and job that did captive president and COO of the tissue papers group they will.
I'll be available for the question and answer period at the end of the call.
Before I turn the call over to my colleagues I would like to highlight that renovated mid Eightys interim report released earlier. This week can be viewed on rentals website. I would also note that certain statements made during this call will discuss historical and forward looking matters.
The accuracy of these statements is subject to risk factors that can have a material impact on actual results. These risks are listed in our public filings.
These statements the Investor presentation and the press release also include data that are not measures of performance vendor I FRS.
Please refer to our accompanying Q3 2019 investor presentation for details.
His presentation, along with our third quarter press release can be found in the Investor section of our website.
If you have any questions. Please feel free to call a softer the session I will now turn the call over to our CFO to our CEO Matthew.
Thank you Jennifer and good morning, everyone.
We're pleased with our overall operational performances financial results in the third quarter.
We generated another quarter of solid adjusted EBITDA, that's reflected good execution in all four of our business segment.
Our tissue segment posted stronger results due to the successes we are generating from our turnaround initiatives. While result in containerboard and European Bucksport continued to be solid notwithstanding some market demand and wins and a slight pricing erosion.
Earnings for the quarter were $70 million or 74 cents per share, including the 62 million onetime gain to reflect the low purchase price of the orchard assets relative to their fair value.
As compared to 33 cents in the previous quarter and 38 cents last year.
On an adjusted basis, we generated 30 cents per share in the third quarter. This compare to the earnings per share of 28 cents in the second quarter and 40 cents per share in the third quarter of 2018.
Adjusted EBITDA of 161 million increase 18% over last year, and 3% when compared to the second quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA margin reached 12.7% in Q3.
In addition to our operational initiative results were also favorably impacted by lower raw material costs. The average index price for RCC Brown paper grades during the quarter was down 51% year over year and 18% compared to Q2.
The average qg price or white recycled paper grades, which we mainly using our tissue activity decreased.
By 47% compared to prior year levels since 24% from Q2.
On the Virgin pulp side, hardwood and softwood pulp prices decreased both sequentially and year over year.
As I highlighted on slide six in our presentation. The prices of all these material continued their downward trends, which is positive for our outlook. We will see pricing has remained relatively low over recent months.
I will now briefly discuss the third quarter performance for each of our business segment, which are highlighted on page eight true 13 of the presentation.
The containerboard segment generated third quarter, adjusted EBITDA of 180 million, which is a 4% increase sequentially and a 1% increase year over year.
During the quarter, we had unplanned maintenance downtime at the Green pack mill, which we estimate negatively impacted EBITDA by $2 million.
Despite this and despite the slightly less favorable overall industry environment margin remained solid at 24.9% in the quarter. This compare with margins of 24.5 in Q2 and 24.7 last year.
We are pleased with our sequential performance, which was largely driven by our your volume and lower transportation and operating costs. These benefits were partially offset by the lower average selling price and the impact of a less favorable exchange rate during the period.
Our Q3 operating rate was 94% up 3% sequentially with paper shipments increasing 90000, Doug.
Reflecting seasonal trend.
Including sales to associated companies, our integration rate decrease very slightly to 71% in the third quarter from 72% in Q2.
Shipment of converted product increased 3% sequentially in millions of square feet.
These outperformed the overall, 1% increase for both the can either and the us market.
In the third quarter, we took approximately 11000 tonne.
Maintenance downtime and 3000 tons of market related downtime.
On slide eight we have updated our downtime plan for 2019, which we expect to take approximately 16000 tons of maintenance downtime in the fourth quarter.
Moving now to the tissue paper result continued to show positive momentum and highlight the growing benefit from ongoing operational and productivity improvement initiatives.
In addition, lower raw material price more stable transportation costs, and previously announced price increase supported operational performance sequentially.
More significantly Q3 results I'd like the growing benefit from ongoing productivity improvement initiatives.
Total shipment decreased by 2% year over year, excluding our kids. This reflected 29% decrease in external shipments of parent grow year over year due to the are your integration and the closure of our two paper machine in Toronto, which removed 44000.
Clinton and you will.
These factor were partially offset by a 6% increase in shipments of converted product due to the increased amount of our target market segment and long term contract with key strategic customer.
As we have mentioned in the past we continue to use additional subcontracting to supply our volume requirements, which as a negative impact on margin and profitability.
Capital investment and businesses business plan, we are executing our focus on addressing this situation.
The addition of Orkin facility in our platform will optimize our logistics network and geographical positioning and reduce subcontracting cost in the future.
Our average selling price increase 8% year over year in the third quarter. This reflects a combination of price increase announced in the second half of 2018 as favorable sales mix and the depreciation of the Canadian dollar.
On a sequential basis, the average selling price decreased by 1% largely due to the appreciation of the Canadian dollar.
As we have previously mentioned a price increase of up to 8%, India, which were among segment across North America was announced effective June Onest. This increase benefited third quarter results.
The European Boxboard operation generated solid third quarter results sales increased 22% compared to last year.
Due to the acquisition of Barcelona, Carton Board at the end of 2018 and better value on the sand plant basis. This was offset by year less favorable average selling price and 4% appreciation of the Canadian dollar.
On the year over year bases, the average few trees selling price decrease in both euro and Canadian dollar.
This reflected the stronger Canadian dollar the higher proportion of recycled products sold following the acquisition of Barcelona Carton Board.
Price decrease due to market softness in the less favorable geographical sales mix.
The average Q3 selling price of recycled boxboard decreased by 13 year or 3% year over year, while the average selling price of Virgin Bugs Board increased by 14 euro or 2%.
Honestly quench will basis, the 5% decrease in sales reflect the lower average selling price a decrease in volume related the usual seasonality in the quarter and a stronger can either in dollars.
Adjusted EBITDA decreased by 5 million.
Our 17% from Q2 levels, primarily due to the usual Q3 seasonality and the other cost related to the production downtime taken as a result.
These were partially offset by lower raw material costs, and a slight slightly higher energy credit in the current period.
Year over year, EBITDA increased by 6 million as the impact of lower average selling price on the cemplank basis was more than offset by the benefit from the acquisition of Barcelona, and lower raw material costs.
Third quarter sales in the specialty product were 176 million down 9% from 193 millions in Q2.
This was largely due to the lower prices in the recovery sub segment, lower volume and consumer packaging and the closer of one of our specialty meals late in the second quarter.
Q3, EBITDA of 14 million was 1 million above Q2 levels. This reflects a sequential improvement industrial packaging as a result of reduced operating costs. Conversely, consumer product generated lower resolve that were largely due to lower volumes in the flexible.
And modal pubs sub segment.
A fire at the rocking and North Carolina motive power plant in the mid September resulted in an eight week closure.
This shutdown will have a slight impact on Q4 result.
As operation, where we started at the beginning of November .
We're packaging activity generated an EBITDA margin of 13.8% in the quarter versus 11.1% in Q2 and 12 when to last year.
The recovered paper market remains difficult with quarterly average selling price continuing to decline from Q2 efforts to review our supply collection and operating costs as helped to offset the impact of the sequential deteriorating spread.
I'll now pass the call do alone who will discuss the main Ida of our third quarter financial performance Alan.
Yes. Thank you my view and good morning, everyone. So I will begin with an overview of our key CPI on slide 16, our third quarter shipments increased by 1.2% from Q2. This was driven by containerboard and tissue where shipments increased by 4% sequentially in both cases, reflecting seasonal.
All of them and trends shipment levels marginally decrease in box Board Europe . Following the usual seasonal softness in the quarter for these markets.
The quarter capacity utilization rate of 93% was stable sequentially and increased 2% compared to last year on an LTM basis working capital came in at 10.3% of sales were a return on assets stood at 11.3.
Moving now to sales I as detailed on slide 16, and 17 on a year over year basis third quarter sales increased by 89 million or 8%.
This reflects the contributions from recent business acquisitions and tissue bogs, both Europe and specialty products. In addition to improvements in pricing and sales mix and tissue and stronger volumes in containerboard and European Boggle.
What exchange rates were favorable foreign North American operations that were negative for European results for a net negative impact on the quarter.
Offsetting these benefits were lower volumes in tissue and lower average selling price in containerboard.
As has been the case in recent quarters recovery activities negatively impacted sales due to lower recycled metal pricing.
Sequentially to three sales decreased moderately by 11 million or 1%.
The benefits of higher seasonal volumes and cutting them on and tissue were partly offset by less favorable pricing and mix in all segments, except specialty products.
Lower volume and bars Board Europe and specialty products.
Lower sales from recovery activities and the unfavorable exchange rate. We're also offsetting factors.
Moving now to operating income and adjusted EBITDA as highlighted on slide 18, Q3, adjusted EBITDA of 161 million increased 24 million from prior year level results benefited from a stronger performance on the tissue segment and European Boxboard.
Sequentially Q3, adjusted EBITDA increased by 5 million as shown on slide 19.
This was largely the result of stronger performance and tissue papers on containerboard.
Take note once again that the impact of our Fysixteen accounting for leases contributed 7 million to admit during the quarter and 22 million in the first nine months of 2019.
Please refer to slide 34 supplemental information.
Slide 20, and 21 illustrate the year over year sequential volumes are two three earnings per share and the reconciliation with the specific items that affected our quarterly results.
As reported earnings per share were 74 cents in the third quarter compared to reported EPS of 38 cents last year. Both periods included specific items on an adjusted basis EPS decreased by 10 cents compared to last year results higher operating results were offset by higher degree.
In addition, and financing expenses.
The change in depreciation expense reflects 20 team business acquisitions and capital projects book in operations and the adoption of our Xsixteen standard for leases.
Financing expenses also increased due to our highest 16 and also to just due to the fair value accretion of Citi PQRS option in Green pack, which is accounted for as a liability as previously disclosed.
Slide 22 in 23.
Illustrate a specific items recorded during the quarter domain items include a 52 million net gain on the acquisition of our kids following our preliminary purchase price allocation and we also incurred $4 million are related transaction costs.
A 2 million gain.
To the saver of a building and land in the containerboard segment and a 2 million last following the sale of specialty products operation in France, and closure of one North American facility in Q2.
And also a $7 million unrealized loss on the fair value reevaluation of an option in Nevada project.
Third quarter adjusted cash flow from operation increased by 16 million year over year 208 million.
Adjusted free cash flow was significantly higher this year versus 2018 due to lower net capex baked in a period.
Moving now to our net debt reconciliation as detailed on slide 25, our net debt increased by 260 million in the quarter, reflecting the arcades acquisition.
Before business acquisition and dispose of I would highlight that net debt decreased by 62 million in the quarter.
So in mid September we completed the acquisition of markets for $300 million Canadian.
14 million was previously paid in Q2.
In addition to the assumption of debt for 7 million dollar.
In conjunction with this at closing of the transaction, we sold the Mexican assets, which were part of the Orkins acquisition to Federica that passed out for a casket cash transmission of 19 million of which 14 was receive a closing.
Also during the quarter, we sold a specialty products book interest into French operations for cash consideration of $10 million and net debt was also transfer to the acquirer for 5 million dollar.
Our net debt leverage ratio stood at 3.7 at the end of the quarter compared to 2.4 at the end of Q2 and 3.5 at the end of 2018 again, if we exclude transaction that occurred towards the end of the quarter. This ratio.
Would have been 3.2 times.
This along with other financial ratios and information of our maturities are detailed on slide 26.
On slide 27, we provide details on what our capital investments year to date on a segment by segment basis.
Our annual Capex spend for 2019 will be less than initially disclosed and are expected to finish the year.
Roughly $300 million.
Ill now pass the call back to my view will wrap up the call with a brief conclusion before we begin the question Barry.
Thank you Ireland in summary, we are pleased with our third quarter performance.
All of our business segments continue to generate solid resolve that met expectations. In addition, we made an important strategic move by completing the acquisition of market paper product tissue activities in mid September . This acquisition is highly synergistic an important part of our U.S tissue modernization.
Effort and will strengthen both the geographic and operational positioning positioning of our tissue platform.
The transaction create value forecast CAD with an expected annual EBITDA contribution of 25 to 30 millions and 2020 increasing to approximately 45 million then 2021.
Slide 29 to 31 provides an update on the integration of market, which is going according to plan.
We can find on a near term outlook for our business segments in slide 32 of our presentation. Overall, we expect fourth quarter performance for our from our North American operation to reflect the softer seasonal demand inherent in the period and the less favorable exchange rate compared to.
Our recent Q3 performance.
Due to the continuing strength of the containerboard business and the positive momentum in tissue, we are well positioned to generate record annual adjusted EBITDA. This year.
We have already at day, 92% of our full year 2018 result, after only nine months.
We remain focused on improving operational efficiency and productivity successfully executing our capital investment plan and finalizing details for our Barrow Island project.
We will now be happy to answer your question operator.
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Your first question comes from the line of Adam Josephson with Keybanc. Please go ahead.
Good morning, everyone. Thanks, very much for taking my questions I appreciate it.
Mario you comment that at the very end of your prepared remarks that you're still finalizing the details of the bare fare Allen conversion you had the unrealized loss on the fair value revaluation, you reduce your capex guidance, obviously, mostly to remove the barrier island related spend that you are.
Obviously, including in that Capex guidance can you just update us update us on your thought process with respect to that project.
Sure.
As we highlighted you know into Q2, the Veritone project for US is an important project considering the market.
Right now and knowing that you know theres a lot of capacity coming on stream probably in 2021, obviously, we want to make sure that this project is a good project for US. So we are looking you'll too fine uptake partners and also financial partners to support this project. So it takes a little more time the technical part.
Of the plan is quite well advanced so what we're still are on track and by Q4 at the end of the year, we'll be able to give you a from update on where we stand with their island.
I appreciate it just one follow up on that has you mentioned all the capacity coming on has that changed your thought process with respect to the.
Long term.
Return potential this project.
No not at all we think that the barrel and project is a solid project forecast cat and they will help us to position ourselves for the future.
I appreciate your clarifying that marionette married or or Charles in terms of your sequential guidance on containerboard you talked about the potential for sequentially lower volume and price with the sequential volume decline seemingly above and beyond the sees the lower seasonality in Fourq. You can you just go into a little more detail on that if you don't mind.
Yes, Im just going to start to without.
Giving too much detail in the pricing, but the the.
The compounded impact the index movement.
We'll have an impact in Q4 and this is what we're reflecting regarding the impact on the on the pricing in regards to to the volume as you know whether Q4.
For for US there's always a.
Lowering volume.
On.
On our business and that's what we're reflecting year end, we're being conservative also we are cautiously.
Conservative on the on the volume aspect of for the from now till the end of year.
And today.
Cautious for what reason exactly Charles.
While the business is still actually the businesses still.
Good is still what we see both in in Canada. In also in use for US specifically also with the additional edition of our.
Of our Piscataway facility that is going very well and is contributing.
But the just regarding the economy and so we want to be cautious and in one year, we look forward.
I appreciate and just one last one on the seasonality issue ecommerce solution. The U.S. market has largely eliminated the seasonality obviously in the in years past November and December used to be quite light from a demand perspective, and that's change in recent years because of E. Com the growth in e-commerce , such that if you look in the industry.
Fourth quarter shipment to really no not not that much different than the other three can you talk about what impact do you see E. Commerce is having had on that seasonality issue in and what your expectations are for ecommerce specifically this fourth quarter.
Yes, so you're right about the e-commerce that is flatten the this is that seasonality.
In our product mix, we do have.
When we compare to the overall, we have a bit more.
As shown in our in our mix.
Whether its produce or other.
Sales that we have in our mix that can maybe and ones that is more the seasonality in our.
But the point of the.
The ecommerce really flatten the.
The volume quarter after quarter end of quarter and we're seeing is also in that in our group.
Thanks, very much Charles.
Your next question comes from the line of America JBC capital markets. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning.
Charles can you give us a sense as to how are your box shipments fared in the month of October .
And then yes.
The month of October we are we're seeing.
Good.
Good the volume in our most of our regions and again and just want to mention that.
In addition to this we have our view.
At this getaway facility that is really having a positive impact on the overall of our.
Business.
Thanks, Thanks for that and just a question for John David.
The 2020 EBITDA guidance were up for orchids.
How should we think about the ramp up curve, but to deliver the 25 to 30 million us next year.
We're confident right now.
About especially barnwell amortization that we're going to do so we see this as a more towards the second half of 2020, but.
It's still on the right truck occupancy.
The other piece of the it's all related to logistics and at the transfer of subcontracting. So thats.
Well start really short lease would that should ramp up a quite early in the first half of that on the year, Yes, we already started to to bring some outsourcing back into the or kits for city and also the plan, Florida, We announced.
Last week or two weeks ago will.
Bring significant volume also to the origins facility.
In the first half of the euro and reduced fixed costs at the same time, so, yes, and logistic costs, yet so the second quarter.
Okay, great. Thanks, that's helpful and Alan any indication yet what capex would be in 2020. Both so if you went ahead with bear island and if you didnt.
So far you know Alan as mentioned in the around $300 million. If we go we would say we go ahead with barrels we probably end up at 333 35 something like this.
So all depends on the decision of Maryland, and 2020 or either.
When you 90.
Great. Thanks, Maria that will add I'll I'll turn it over.
Your next question comes from the line of Sean Stewart with TD Securities. Your line is open.
Thanks, Good morning.
Just one question.
One of your your broader thinking on recycled fiber costs. It feels like we're going to be in.
Lower cost environment for longer and I'm wondering how that informs your.
Your long term capital deployment decisions what type of larger most cc price are you assuming for your long term plans and how is that.
Effect, not just bear island, thinking, but broader thoughts going forward.
Capital deployment.
Well as you know Sun, we always where recycle 82% of what we're produces recycle so for us it doesn't change our long term view, we will remain.
Mainly focused on recycled obviously today benefits our business and all the business segments. So.
But we might be a little more precise in what we will recycle and the quality of the material will recycle. So as we are doing today. We're reviewing all the networks of recovery in recycling activity and you know just making sure that this support the business. There are there to complement what we do.
With the paper mills and so.
So, yes, we will keep on expanding at a using recycled material in the future.
Okay. The rest of my questions have been answered thanks very much.
Your next question comes from the line of Paul Quinn.
RBC Your line is open.
Yeah. Thanks, very much morning, guys. Just follow up question on timing a barrier island. If you made that decision by the end of the year is that coming up in 2022 now.
Yep.
Okay, Yes, multi yes, no but.
Hey that yet the question where short the answer we're sure yes, Kevin 2020 to yet [laughter] okay.
Maybe I could follow up first half or back half.
It takes 24 months to to go just because of the the timing of the equipment coming in and.
To do all the modification the the deployment and things like that and Thats, what were saying that.
Let's say for place an order by year end, probably first quarter 2022 will be the startup.
Okay. Okay. That's helpful. And then just just overall I mean, there's a notion out there that ecommerce get started in Canada.
A bit later than than in the U.S. and that you get the majority of your containerboard assets in Kennedy see that it as a tailwind.
You know for for ecommerce across Canada for your content or group.
The I mean, we do have.
Both sides of that is first of all our.
Converting mainly in Canada, but we also sell to outside.
Independent and customers and are also using the e-commerce for us.
We see that if it's on the overall ARPU.
Okay. That's helpful and then just.
Lastly, I just on the unplanned downtime at Green pack, what what would happen in and is it fixed.
Yes, it's an issue a onetime issue that we.
We have the non predictable on our side, but yes, it's six cents.
We should not see something like that path in the future.
Okay, and then just I guess lastly, just on tissue.
Besides the integration of orchids, what's a priority within tissue.
Definitely we have a major turnaround plan.
Across all the facilities so.
On the West Coast as you know with significant amount of money there last year. So we're putting out of in phases. So it's going really well there but also there is also subcontracting that we're bringing back internally.
Another initiative and six cost reduction productivity improvement et cetera to the organization.
Alright.
Thanks, very much specialists.
Thank you Bob you.
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Your next question comes the line of Keith how fast, but this out that your line is open.
Oh, you said two questions on the orchids plant you mentioned that you're converting it from cure T to conventional let's just wondering what why that was in what what that's.
To achieve.
Well right now we have the.
Volume and conventional paper.
Sourcing as I said earlier so.
We want to fill this mill.
We made really significant improvements on the cure to technology only after a few months.
So we we want to run the machine and the mill.
Full capacity short term so it will take time to develop security technology and the product improved product overtime, but what's important for us to give the 36000 tons and the 5 million cases capacity of that mill.
So thats why were putting conventional paper.
Into this short term, but we'll be able to grow that you are tea business later on.
And what is the is there a future ongoing relationship with fabrica or is that and with the sale of assets to them.
No we maintain we renegotiate the supply agreement with them. So the volume is the same as it was before.
We just renegotiating the terms of it.
That's why the buyback.
Yes.
But the volume and dunsworth Intesa the same as it was.
And I was just wondering on transportation costs I think it was mentioned that there had been improvement or.
In transportation in Q3 in tissue.
That relate to your internal restructuring of facilities or is the market improve for transport.
Services.
It's mainly due to improvements in or in our system by moving less cases between our clients and being better logistics to support our customer from the right mill.
Oh, mainly yeah.
And then I just had a question on the European Roll pack business I think.
As I understand it you also operate a joint venture and that she in a similar business in North America is there any change if you on the.
North American business.
No no. This is a look so that Keith no. We we have no doesn't impact at all our.
Vision with quarter local merchant assets.
And then just finally on their recovery business.
In terms of the business model going forward.
Or are you sort of trying to evolve led to a service business or is it still sort of a margin business or what's the outlook there.
With this the reflection in the vision for the recovery business was actually read by four years ago and it was already tailwind pension to focus more business go we're supplying our meals and and growing this business too.
To support them rule, the global growth plan of guest cat.
So.
So we're we're just going to continue what we have already initiated over the last a few years.
So definitely the future investment.
If they are in this business will be there to support the growth of just yet.
Sure. So he said business sort of stable now and improving or outage it.
Yes, we as as I guess about you mentioned.
Obviously, we would hope with we believe that you know with the current price, we'll see we'll get Inc.
Of those tool above price so far we have been able.
It will offset the.
Sequential decrease.
From a from last quarter. So yes. The situation is improving as I said, I guess or less at quarter.
It's involves for us to renegotiate all the agreement we have with the suppliers and review all the routing we have so we have obviously to adapt the business model to the new cost structure.
It's a significant change from the about one of $1. We have lunch is too.
$30, though.
But.
The moves and the decision is already in place and obviously, we have some low long term agreements that we have to respect but every time. So we have in the portion due to renegotiate we do.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Secor ever said with National Bank Financial Your line is open.
Good morning, everyone congrats on the quarter.
I was hoping you could.
I was hoping you could walk me through in terms of thought process on the topline and margin the whole process. The shutdown as the two facilities in March and then the rebalancing to the rest the tissue network how quickly that will go and what we can what we can see on financial statements from that.
In tissue, particularly.
Yes. Please.
You mean in 2020.
For now.
Yes, the shutdown in the came in and Waterford plant in 2020.
Okay. So we announced the shutdown for end of March so it's going to take.
It's going to take time to integrate all the volume and the other mills, but.
Right now, we see probably 10 million six cost reduction by.
Shutting down these two facilities.
End of volume, we have the open capacity into the or just platform and also it's also related to the other investment that we announce.
Late last year in we ran south and North Carolina. So.
Both away from home and the customer product markets are benefiting from it.
On those recent investment so Zachary combined with the four kids platform.
As we said that our target is to come back to 10, 12% EBITDA margin as soon as we can so thats. The plan and these are steps that we are seeking to to move towards that as soon as we can next year to year after.
That's great and just in terms of the thinking on that because the capacity is available it could be our network could be rebalance. The next day essentially there is not going to be a long time to ramp up this moved capacity.
So I agree.
We're ramping up.
We are ramping up or kids volume, a little bit but all in all this there is no major ramp up.
Understood. Thank you and then just one last one from me I'm curious to get your thoughts on China's impact on recycled fiber and how you see that evolving over the coming years.
Yes. This is luca talking.
You know last year or two ago was announced by China by that by 2020.
It would be pretty much of the recycle market and what we hear is that fees stick to death lab and we're not only we see that the Chinese market is is going down.
But we still so the RV market sell became more vertical the other export market or difficult.
So, it's very quiet, though or for exports and that's probably why we've seen an additional reduction Andy will seize.
Earlier this week.
Plenty of electoral in the market.
Yeah, Thanks, very much that for me.
Your next question comes from the line of Keypad with this sounds like your line is open.
Oh, yes, I wondered if you just update us on the.
So you don't lands and Scott Booze.
Manufacturing and converting operations.
Yeah, and also we made really good improvement initiatives in those two facilities. So are the same dillon.
This is these making good profit these days.
The two together are now breakeven since a month to month almost.
So were continuing or.
Improvements and other stuff.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you there no further questions at this time Mr. Kim please continue.
Thank you everyone for being able to call today and looking forward to talk to you for our Q4 results have a good day. Thank you.
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