Q4 2019 Earnings Call

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Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Beacon roofing supply fourth quarter 2019 earnings Conference call. My name is just and then I'll be your coordinator for today.

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This company as opposed to the summary financials slide presentation on the Investor section I was website under events and presentations that will be reference during management's review of the financial results on the call today for Beacon roofing supply will be Mr. Julian Francis President and CEO and Mr., Joe No Vicki Executive Vice President and C. S. Though.

I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr., Julia Francis President and CEO . Please proceed mr. Francis.

Thank you Justin well, good evening and welcome to our fourth quarter 2019 earnings call.

He used to be here today my faced in domestic coal is beacon. So yes, I have had a busy 90 days visiting I'd have to making branches well getting to know the employees, whose passion today, where it is clearly a differentiator in the marketplace.

[noise] getting my big its high voltage became the reasons that I joined Beacon.

Pacing foremost, it's an incredible opportunity to lead one of the building material industries scurried companies.

The chance to build on beacons history is a great on it.

The industry is attractive and the company is well positioned after more than a decade of consolidation.

Weakens customer base is benefited by a distributor that understands local market issues and build relationships at a local level well also leveraging geographic scope and scale.

Beacons cost an age are also bolstered by a distributor that can invest in a full suite of products and has the ability to tailor the offering to each customer adding services could simplify operations for contract is sort of bacon build more.

He can understands what it means to be evaluated distributor.

We enable contractors to do the work the way they want to eight today and in the future.

Well bring up the cancer by phone by facts email or <unk> industry, leading e-commerce platform.

We have the ability to say the small local business focused on lease the path.

Same time, we're delivering for large multi state contract wins in both residential and commercial construction markets.

One more recently joined Beacon is that its business model has tremendous ability to withstand economic cycles.

The roofing market has shown great resilience across time.

The purchase of replacement, the which represents more than 80% of the market is largely non discretionary.

We also participate in new construction, both in roofing and interior products.

Almost cyclical we benefit from customers that work in both areas.

I see this resilience the company's track record in safe relative to market has maintained during the housing downturn and the 2009 recession.

Beacons EBITDA margins have been similarly, consistent and never below mid single digits.

Operating cash flow has always been positive with greater potential demonstrated in the past three years.

What I have seen during the first 90 days I'll strengths for beacon to build them.

First off how people are top notch.

Employees I've met have a visible drive to serve customers and the competitive desire to win in the market.

Our strategy will be executed through our teams so do bad developing team members capabilities will be critical to success.

Second.

Residential and commercial customer list has read today.

Beacon has one of the largest salesforce is in our industry.

Potential to have tremendous impact for our customers.

Oh systems, and a completely integrated across all branches. So we can refocus efforts and reaching more contractors, who could benefit from our products and services.

We want doing business with us to be easy. So we have optimized our processes with customer priorities in mind.

So with people systems and processes all in lockstep, our teams are ready to take up the challenge and redouble efforts with our customers.

Hey, there's a significant opportunity to improve on operational performance.

With over 500 branches, we must ensure expectations and accountability pop clear.

There is dispassionate not profitability, we didn't on that one based on the interior and exterior sides of the business.

All branches will have renewed focus on continuous improvement.

With more emphasis on providing support to those whose financial performances below average.

It is clear to me and optimizing our 500 plus branches is a great value creating opportunity today, then additional acquisitions.

Fourth we must also cap to the power of beacons scale.

How scale represents an opportunity to create incremental value and differentiate beacon.

We have a strong position in both interiors and X series that we must capitalize on.

As an example.

We have previously spoken about regional service area model, which is now branded as beacons on time and complete network in order to serve customers better, particularly in large markets.

Customers choose a pet food brands through which to buy but we use the network to make a wider breadth of stock immediately available and to increase the number of short cycle deliveries.

In addition.

It can be a driver improved fleet utilization.

Reduced vehicle miles traveled and lower inventory requirements branch by branch positively impacting our cost to serve.

Fifth our digital platform is now delivering several hundred million in ecommerce related sales and there is opportunity for much more.

We continue to see more customers registered and buy online.

Established users are demonstrating their appreciation for the platform by using the functionality to a large degree for their purchases and we're having great success, attracting new customers to the platform.

The ability for a contracted to use digital tools to estimate quote or the materials and pay the bill is unique in the industry.

Now, while our I'd make is bright a recent financial performance and shareholder return has not been.

Hi, I'm confident that today's results are not indicative beacons capacity for success.

Hi kicked off a review of our strategy to identify and remove barriers, which had been impeding the company from reaching its full potential end to end type of fresh opportunities for growth and margin expansion.

It's clear to me, but there are several leaves us to pull to improve performance some of which I discussed here.

Let me know comment on beacons fourth quarter results.

Residential roofing market volumes were down single digits through the first nine months of all fiscal year.

In the fourth quarter the market rebounded quite strongly to produce an about flat year overall.

Beacons fourth quarter residential roofing results lined up with the overall market we believe.

From a top line perspective beacons organic sales growth produced its strongest performance in seven quarters.

Ganic daily sales grew 3.2%.

By residential roofing organic growth of 11.5%.

Gross margins declined 110 basis points as the impact of manufacturer price increases was only partially offsetting the competitive market.

However, on a sequential basis pricing improvements almost completely offset additional cost.

For three quarters about fiscal year, we hadn't inflationary environment in a declining market squeezed margins.

In Q4 margins stabilized as the market trended up.

With no inflation on a stable market, we would expect to expand margins, but in this period, our operating income fell short of expectations driven by the gross margin Miss.

Operating expenses were in line with projections and provided positive leverage year over year.

Last quarter.

Beacon announced fixed cost structure actions to reduce operating costs $25 million.

The two month impact we were able to reduce Q4 fixed expenses by about 4 million.

Adjusted operating costs improved 40 basis points year over year.

Given the higher cost to serve residential roofing, which represented a greater portion about market makes this quarter. This is trending in the right direction.

Free cash flow was excellent and exceeded prior expectations with the debt leverage ratio declining sequentially.

Additionally, we made improvements to our capital structure, allowing us to lower interest expense extend maturities and create a more fixed interest environment.

I was particularly pleased with the level of demand investors demonstrated for all bonds, which helped us drive a lower interest rates, but our initial estimates.

Now I will pass the call over to Joe to provide additional details on the fourth quarter results.

Thanks, Julien and good evening everyone.

First I'll provide additional color on a quarterly results and then I'll conclude with comments involving our fiscal 2020 outlook.

As Julian mentioned overall organic daily sales increased 3.2% during the fourth quarter.

Period had one extra selling day compared to the year ago quarter.

Residential roofing was the primary driver of quarterly growth.

With an organic daily sales increase of 11.5% levels in line with the overall market.

Within this category all six of our U.S. regions delivered positive year to year performance.

And for these six grew double digits.

We experienced broad based strength after the rain and other disruptions ended in June .

We're also pleased to see strong performance out of our southwest and Midwest regions, suggesting that these traditional hail areas are seeing improvement following the prior post.

Prior period post hail declines.

Commercial roofing generated positive daily sales growth in the period, well only modest it represents a return to positive growth in this category.

We expect this to continue to the efforts of our dedicated commercial sales centers.

These centers are one stop does it all experience for the contractors were all other commercially roof on the roofing needs are handled by a single location.

This includes quoting engineering projects supporting order fulfillment.

We have increased their number from seven in 2018 to over 27 currently.

Next I wanted to touch on are complementary product sales.

You'll see from our release that are complimentary product sales daily organic were down 5.6% in the fourth quarter.

This category includes or interiors business as well as our exterior complementary products, such as siding windows and doors.

This business has much greater exposure to discretionary our and our new construction.

When adjusted for the traditional lag of 60 to 90 days.

The decline here matches the pattern seen in the new construction housing data, which were also down mid single digits.

As we're now seeing improving macro and housing trends, we anticipate this will be a boost to these areas in the future.

No I don't want to speak about our fourth quarter margins.

Our gross margins were down 110 basis points versus last year.

The decline was driven by an unfavorable price cost relationship occurring primarily within our residential roofing category.

Well the higher product costs were not surprising we are unable to get the necessary price increase a fully offset higher single costs.

For the first three quarters of this fiscal year, we experienced the declining market coupled with inflation that made very difficult to get incremental price.

We entered the current quarter with the goal of raising prices in excess of product purchase cost. So that we could recover that price cost disconnect.

The good news is it during Q4, we were able to get price.

We experienced an increasing market.

Coupled with moderate inflation as a result of the manufacturer cost increases from Q3 that roll through our inventory.

Unfortunately, the magnitude of the price realization was not large enough to offset the higher product costs, we get experiencing do that during the third quarter.

The negative price cost ramifications, partially offset the impact of our incremental sales. That's why you only see a net $2 million fall through to gross margins from the incremental sales.

As we move forward, we're optimistic that Q sports demonstrated positive pricing trend.

Coupled with lower input inflation will translate to a favorable impact for margins.

Adjusted operating cost improved as a percentage of sales on a year to year basis from 17.4% to 17%.

Showing favorable cost leverage a 40 basis points.

There are on track to realize our targeted 25 million fixed cost reduction.

Still have more work to do here, but we're clearly on the right path.

Now moving onto the balance sheet.

We're pleased with our quarterly balance sheet improvement and cash flow performance.

Fourth quarter free cash flow is nearly 400 million levels that exceeded our expectations solid execution by our entire team.

And probably most important beacon is de Levered free cash flow, averaging more than 300 million annually during the past three years.

That's over 160% cash conversion free cash flow to adjusted net income for the last three years.

Which is well above our 14 year historical average of 110%.

We're very proud of this accomplishment something we consider an important component to our long term strategy.

As a result, our net debt declined approximately 350 million were 393 million. When you include the increase in cash on hand.

And our net debt leverage ratio declined sequentially from 6.1 to 5.2 times.

Beacon has always been a consistent free cash flow generator with operating cash flow, having been positive in 15 straight years.

If you think about all the external events, we've seen the housing downturn, the 2009 recession and the weather volatility. We believe this performance is relatively unique month building products distributors.

On the financing side, we completed two significant activities.

In the quarter, we issued 300 million of new senior secured high yield bonds with the yield of 4.5% maturing in 2026.

These replace our unsecured high yield bonds with a yield of 6.375% maturing in 2023.

A great accomplishment the decreases or interest rate on the bonds by almost 190 basis points.

Getting almost 6 million an annual interest savings and extends the maturity three years.

In addition, we saw an opportunity to lock in part of our term loan b debt with two interest rate swaps totaling 500 million.

We were able to fix or interest rate on this debt approximately 3.75%.

These are opportunistic financing moves that reduce our borrowing costs.

Device with longer durations and remove some of our variable interest rate exposure.

To summarize our fourth quarter, we ended with a solid sales growth rate.

Operating cost management.

And as is our legacy strong cash flow.

Well, our while we're pleased with these areas of quarterly performance. We also recognized at the fourth quarter and full year 2900 results do not come close to matching the underlying earnings power of our company.

Most specifically, we're not satisfied with our full year 2019 gross margin in operating costs.

Lastly, I want to address our 2020 outlook.

We've decided to delay providing formal 2020 sales and EBITDA guidance.

Julians arrival and the strategy review that he described take a little more time to work through the specific impacts to 2020.

We anticipating providing a more specific outlook later in the fiscal year.

With that said I didn't want to point out some key items that will help you with your models and our general thinking about 2020.

From a market perspective, we're coming off a choppy 2019.

Particularly for our residential end markets.

Housing starts and existing home sales declined while home improvement spending slowed.

Now these indicators of stabilizes the Mark has moved through fiscal 2019.

And consensus expectations called for a modest improvement for these indicators for 2020.

Also remember the market's facing difficult hurricane comparisons with a year ago period.

Thermal was still providing incremental demand in early fiscal 2019.

And the industry also benefited from Hurricanes, Florence and Michael.

Current here's hurricane season by comparison was largely uneventful.

All that said.

We'd expect the market to see softer sales during the first half of the fiscal year as result of those prior year comps.

Followed by a stronger second half as macro drivers improve.

Leading to a relatively flat fiscal year over year market demand.

Now our company specific actions as Julian outline.

I will drive full year improvements the both top and bottom line even in this flat macro environment.

We see our fiscal year 2020, as the story with two parts.

Our first quarter is expected to experienced less storm volume does the timing of last year's hurricane demand.

We also anticipate similar price cost in gross margin challenges to those seen in the second half of 29 team.

Basically a sequentially flat gross margin environment.

This common combination is expected to result in the year over year EBITDA declined during the quarter.

As you May recall, we had an unusually high gross margin in Q1 of last year is a result of timing silver vendor incentives.

However, we expect to effectively hit the reset button in the new calendar year with both improving year over year macros and our initiatives driving performance.

As we entered in spring 2020, selling season, we expect a strong demand in my right.

Coupled with no incremental inflation.

Which will allow us to improve on our cost position, resulting in more attractive gross margins.

As a result, our fiscal 2022nd through fourth quarters should see cumulative EBITDA improvements driven by higher gross margins.

Stronger sales growth.

Positive operating leverage.

Now before I hand, it over to Julian one final note.

You have likely seen in the press release the announcement of my plans the part the company later this fiscal year.

We've been able to accomplish a lot of beacon during my almost seven years here.

Growing the company from 2 billion revenue to now over 7 billion a fortune 500 ranking.

I'm very proud of the team at Beacon and what we have achieved.

Now after over 37 years and my working career, it's time for me to shift gears.

I'm very excited enter the next chapter my life.

And to begin to spend more time with my family.

More time and charitable work.

We also continue on my Board service.

Well be can searches for my successor, all continue as my duties and provide all this important necessary to ensure a smooth transition.

It has been a pleasure to serve beacon and I look forward to seeing the continued success under Juliens leadership.

I'll now turn the call back over to him before we move to questions Julien.

Thanks, Joe and on behalf of the board of directors and the entire management team I'd like to thank Joe for his contributions and dedications the company's nearly seven years.

Now he's been integral to beacons growth, having executed on the integration processes and capital structure for 20 acquisitions, including Iris Gi and Allied building products that more than tripled the company's revenues.

You know I look forward to working with Joe is we identify a successor.

Who we will partner with me, leading the company forward.

Now, let me reiterate how I see the future for Beacon.

With the integration of the Allied acquisition, largely behind us our ability to focus on our customers and drive execution at the branch level will be renewed.

The potential to upgrade financial performance is before us.

Deep dives to drive sales operational improvements and all the benefits afforded by our scale are underway.

I look forward to providing guidance that takes these assets into account when we speak early next year.

I believe the future is promising for beacon.

I hope that my comments give you a sense of my first takes on the business today and the go forward opportunities in front of us.

And with that I'll open it up for questions.

Justin.

Right.

If you wish to ask the question. Please press star followed by the one on your touched on telephone if your question.

Yes.

And again later.

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Correct.

[noise] Blair.

Your line is now.

Hey, good afternoon, everyone.

Good afternoon afternoon.

So Oh first Joe Congrats on retirement, it's been great working with you.

Great. Thank you very much I appreciate it.

So I had just a couple of questions on gross margin a first what was price cost and tax in the quarter I don't think you said it.

Yes pretty much on the price cost piece of it pretty much the entire declining gross margin was the result of the price cost piece the mix to step into an acquisition elements to it pretty much on that it. So really if you look at it the entire hundred 10 basis point decline in gross margin was the price cost issue for the quarter, we had roughly around.

30 ish basis points of price that we got in the rest was cost that offset the other way.

It was all as I mentioned the year over year decline was pretty much all price cost driven it was primarily in the residential side of our business as well to the residential roofing piece.

Okay sounds like into the next quarter, you're going to see a similar impact on price cost since you. It sounds like you raise prices a little bit sequentially are you starting to eat into that price cost a little bit this quarter.

Hi, This is Julian yes, I think that.

Obviously, the sequential comments that I made are important to us I mean, we did see sequential pricing positive in the residential segment.

Quarter over quarter.

And we were able to obtain virtually all of that tubes upsets additional increases there will be sold come through our inventory.

So it's it's clearly importance.

For us can do that and I think that's what we would expect going forward I think the as you look back the inflationary environment. We saw during the first.

Three quarters of the coupled.

With that in a weaker market, you'll remember all of the rain, we had earlier in the year that I think dampen the market.

Yeah, we did the inflation that came through.

It was certainly a drag for us for full year basis, but I was encouraged to see my.

My first 90 days sequentially, we've been able to improve pricing.

I think we see about a flat gross margin environment.

In the next quarter.

Okay, and then just lastly, I think you made a comment about no new inflation as you get spring of next year, what why do you why is that your outlook and have the Oems told you or anything about price increases.

No I think that the statement was really around assuming no I wouldn't make any comment about what we're seeing today.

Got it okay. Thanks, I'll pass it on.

Thank you and again, ladies and gentleman that was star one the asked a question and each caller is limited to one question and one follow up and then next question comes from Trey Grooms from Stephens. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, everyone sorry, good afternoon.

Definitely try good afternoon Trey.

Okay. So jillian <unk>. One thing you mentioned was a barriers I guess, you've been here 90 days or so now.

You mentioned barriers that have been impeding the company from reaching its full potential.

Can you can you discuss some of these barriers.

As you see it you know now that you've spent a little bit of timing to see.

I know you've touched on a few things that you're looking at.

That can can help improve those but any other color around any leverage you can pull that you that you see now that you've had some time in the C.

Thanks for the question Fabby happy to address that I mean, clearly the results are not what we want.

I think we've got an opportunity now.

Really pivot from the necessary work of integrating two large acquisitions in a row, both RSP and allied really getting back to basics, so really that.

That focus on the market.

I do think there is an opportunity in multiple areas.

So first of all now expected to grow sales I think that we've.

We've got to get our sales team.

In the marketplace facing customers.

Looking for how we can drive that sales, making sure that Weve a quick ban post acquisition.

The tools they need to succeed so that would certainly be be one area, where I see some real opportunities to really drive to drive improvement at the topline Salesforce is more active in the market.

The second area I think you know.

I mentioned it again.

Focusing resources on branches that are in a in the bottom half of.

Our performance.

Distribution.

I tend to think about it in Quintiles, we got five branches. So think about it in terms of 100 branches in each of those quintiles.

We've got great performance in the top hundred below 100.

Really looking and focusing on those in terms of improvement.

Has clear upside for for margin.

You know absent any market pull I think that really getting in today on understanding.

What's causing that may tend to be they tend to be the smaller branches overall, but not in total, but if you think about how our our revenue is split.

And in those Quintiles now we're talking about as much is $10 million per branch a billion dollars across those hundred branches and where our average margin says substantially below our top quintile, so really driving into that I think is is it.

Let's break that down and in part the review that I kicked off will help us quantify how we get after the Schultz the medium in the long term impact.

Improving on those those branches and then lastly, I think it's important for us not to lose sight of the fact that business is a local ones.

Yeah.

We have to be active in the market, it's a local business.

But we've got to find ways for scale to be meaningful to our branches into our operations.

So really leveraging that said that scale to provide value to the customers at the local branch level.

That's the investment in our operating model.

Digital tools floods.

I think becoming a big differentiator for us. So those are the sort of the key areas that I'm, particularly excited of and I think offer us the biggest opportunity certainly over the next 12 months, but I think even beyond that.

And so with some of these initiatives as a follow up you.

I think the.

Joe I think your comment on kind of the progression as we go through.

Huh.

Fiscal 20 was that you should start to see some margin improvement I think I understood somewhere in kind of two Q and beyond.

It.

The initiatives that you're talking about now is that something that will began to impact by then or.

In order to see that that margin rebound are we kind of looking more towards a catch up on price cost store what's what's.

Driving the expectation for kind of that rebound in margin as we look into Twoq you and beyond.

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Good to follow up on that one penetrate you're right. The rebound in the margin really is anticipated towards premiere the third in the fourth quarter, that's where you'll see one as we talked about the demand. So we'll see the stronger demand kind of shape up during the third and fourth quarter that will help drive it and the second big item really is jewelry and went through each of those initiative.

Everyone's from our branch performance operations that were looking at others, you will really start to see the impact of all those initiatives start to kick in more in the third and fourth quarter that second quarter really is there and thats a lot by the weather as you know some of the winter environments. P.. So you never have too much of an impact there the increased volumes and really.

The initiatives, taking hold in the third and fourth quarters, where you'll see the improvement.

Got it Okay I'll pass along thanks.

Thank you Tracy.

Thank you and our next question comes from Keith Hughes from Suntrust. Your line is now open.

Thank you can you give us any kind of idea and residential roofing or just companies all what units were versus price.

Right.

Sure. Keith This is Joe I can give you that viewpoint, they were pretty close actually the price in the quarter on the residential side was pretty minimal. So it wasn't a significant can impact to it most of what you saw what in the units piece to it. So it was a little bit of price, but not too much.

So like in roofing most of the 11 and a half was I correct.

For the most part correct.

And then focus your comment on the first quarter being affected by hurricane or should be Hale.

Yes.

So confused by that and we had pretty strong.

Ill numbers two years ago I believe it was.

First quarter last year was fiscal works pretty weak so I'm not understanding what.

The issue is.

So.

Keith its fueling the the first quarter last year for US was impacted by the Hurricanes that we saw coming through.

So we had some.

Good fourth quarter, sorry first quarter.

Volume at the end of 2018.

That came through so obviously, we don't see any particular hurricane activity or storm activity, that's impacting our first quarter. This year.

I will largely done with with that so we would see somewhat down storm demand for the first quarter, not hail related but more hurricane related.

Correct.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

And our next question comes from Tray Morris from Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Thanks, very much guys I want to go back to back to price costs last quarter. You said it was down 50, Bips and this quarter. It's looking like is down over a 100 bit.

You talked about <unk>, Reggie roofing continues to be a <unk> area of headwind.

But but we don't believe that the manufacturer price increases actually that successful.

Earlier this year a couple couple months ago. So was it did you see something different flow through on your piano was there a timing of when a certain increase was effective.

It was the challenge during the quarter Im just kind of wondering if you could find your what the difference was this quarter versus last quarter.

Yes, afraid let me address that one I think you're exactly right I think it's timing so we agree that the.

The second price increase that was announced by the manufacturers didn't impact us in the same way is deal in the year, but the way it flows through.

Our inventory, we saw it sort of creeping up again in a into fourth quarter. So there was a little bit of sort of lag. So it's not new increase and this is where I think you know we were able to gets and some additional price in our fourth quarter that we did implement the math and so right.

Really it's it's not new increases it's the way that the increase and the timing of the increases flows through up here now.

Okay. Thanks, Ryan and I, just wonder also take sit back on on profitability thought a year ago, a beacon had an investor day, putting out a EBITDA margin targets of nine to 11, and I know that you haven't given guidance for this year, but I.

I guess, Joe or Julian is do you guys still have a degree of comfort with that being a targeted profitability range or is that something that you think is also want to review.

You know certainly uses Julian certainly I I'd like to make sure that.

No I come back up that statements. That's why we've got a review underway and seeing it but you know as a high level.

Target, so that that double digit range that nine to 11.

Many of the first blush, it's not it's not out of their own with possibility.

I think it's entirely within possibility in fact, what I do want to do is make sure that so that we can get to that what's the right structure how will we build.

I'll turn performance to get that.

Okay. Thank you very much guys.

Thank you.

Thank you and our next question comes from Kathryn Thompson from Thompson Research. Your line is now open.

Hi, Thank you for taking my questions today, I'm, just revisiting the operational improvement I wanted to focus on the top pockets and really get a better sense as the news and <unk> fiscal 20 and really over the next 12 to 18.

18 months, how much is within your control and how much is outside of your control. So in other words, if we had a year muddier with flat volumes.

Help us understand.

What you could do beyond help from volume thanks.

Thanks, Catherine again Julien.

You know the way I think about that is partly I'm trying to get.

The good come to grips with what we haven't I'll control, partly the reason for this strategic review certainly we're not expecting a lot of lift from the market. We're expecting a go forwards about flat markets next year I do think that we have.

Elements in our control certainly there is there's marginal.

Pact of pricing no as we get.

Better it's a pricing discipline I think there's things that are not control I, certainly think there's opportunity with our branch network.

As I believe into that I think that really being disciplined about bass and that's again very much in our control and if it is the opex.

Taken action on math I think we can continue to drive that that is a focus area for us how do we make sure we're more efficient.

How do we ensure that with we're driving efficiencies at the branch level and across the corporate operations I think that the the digital platform is showing a good strength.

In that area, which is allowing us to be more efficient lang our customers to be more efficient with their ordering I think is an emphasis on some of the areas that we can place private label is an opportunity for us to continue to grow that.

As even in a flat market grow that is as a share of our business. So I think there's a number of lab is that we can pull even if we didn't see an improving market that would would impact positively our gross margins and on that margins.

Okay helpful.

[noise] and wanted to get your thoughts on the further consolidation to pulpwood and Street. We think it then announced acquisition of Continental you know, what if any and Pat do you see this happening on your interior products business and perhaps drawing some parallels with the rethink side and it's consolidation and what you could see for your onto wallboard side.

Sure obviously, it's a market. It's that's very important to us I don't think that's a that's been a it's not closed yet, but I I think that the overall, it's a it's a positive move for the industry to see.

The see that little bit of consolidation I mean, it's a relatively small acquisition, but obviously, it's an important one in this space.

I think as we get back our interiors business is really a platform for growth for us I think it's it's really important for us to continue to drive that that business.

I think we've got.

Yeah, a little bit of a different market mix it faces the the new construction.

But I think it's really is some of the same issues that we that we have across all of our business, which is executing our sales plan.

Pricing, what we think will be an improving market new residential market. We think that we will have an improving market bad and a focus some branches where we.

Well, we've got lower performance I think it's sort of those same theme across all of those things and I think that we're well positioned to see growth in that platform as the macros improve.

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Thank you Catherine Thanks, Catherine Thank you and again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask the question that is star. One also each call limit to one question and one follow up and our next question comes from Garik Cmos from Longbow Research. Your line is now open.

Hi, Thank you I'm wondering ask on complimentary you cited the lagged housing weakness is the driver for the weaker sales in the quarter really it was soft several quarters. Just curious given housing has started to pick up are you expecting to see growth in complementary in the first.

Part of fiscal 20 or will be similar to the roofing business and will be a little bit more back half weighted.

Figure Joe.

Good question in your your answers right I'm, sorry, we do expect that the current trends in those macros, which have started to turn the opposite directions, you've said, they're going to provide a good kinda tailwind for us as we go into next year. So yes, we do think they're going to be a benefit to its timing wise certainly we'll see it in the back half of the year I am.

Not so much how much will see it some improvement in this quarter. The first in the second but more of it will also be in the back half. The are based on what we see so far but certainly that improving macros based on the housing elements will help us in the complementary products. Both of those two areas are heavily impacted by them.

Okay, and caravella to that that.

You know there is the the Sun number the seasonally adjusted rate the absolute numbers no at this time of year still tell the trend down even in that market and so we still have some seasonality in it but it is I'd like to reiterate what Joe said, certainly as we see the pick up through the year, we would expect to.

He good growth opportunities.

Okay. Thanks, and then was there any mix impact on gross margin I think in previous quarters geography plays a role in that weighed on our gross margin performance. It didn't seem like that was the case, but I just wanted to be clear.

Mix, if that had a rule gross margins.

Yes. This is Joe Joe again, no. It did not play much of it impacted on the gross margin there was a little bit more obviously of the residential then of the commentary and the commercial or the commercial parts of our business, but overall the next part was pretty neutral.

Great. Thanks to know Joe Best of luck in future.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And our next question comes from Mike Dahl from RBC capital markets. Your line is now open.

Hi, Thanks for taking my questions.

First question just a follow up on a couple of questions on remarks about the strategic review.

This joint how wide ranging should we think about this review being does it include any potential portfolio chefs I know you just mentioned to a prior color that you view in interior as core, but just any thoughts on just how you see the portfolio and is that.

Going to be part of this review process at all.

Well. Thanks for the question so I can make shouldn't be clear on this that so no I think.

Current portfolio is the one that.

We will be the one going forward, we we'd like composition in the exteriors market. We think there's great opportunity for us to to grow in that space and there is clearly opportunity for us to grow in the interiors.

Business, obviously that the interiors business is the one that I've, no, particularly well.

It is exposed to two more new construction.

We've got a good.

Good commercial business, there as well.

So its little bit of a different market mix.

No I think the as I said earlier the theme for a interiors business is similar.

There's a little bit of a geographic difference I mean, we've got some real market leading positions in some of our regions I'm not so much in others, but I think there's real opportunity for us to strengthen.

That said that business piece across the entire Uh huh.

Geography that we have them that we said.

So I certainly think of that is quoted the business.

I'd like to see it said grow and I think there's plenty of opportunity for us to to do that.

Inside of that business.

Okay. Thanks for that and my second question.

On on gross margins and price cost I guess, some we think about the competitive environment.

You got a little price in the fourth quarter in a growing market, but still not.

As strong as you expected when we look at the first half a year and your expectations for the market to be softer.

Sure on year, what's giving you that confidence that.

Pricing is going to hold or improve versus backsliding.

Potentially and is there anything you're doing.

Internally.

When you're.

Kind of direct in the field or or anything any behavioral changes like that that would help too.

Support that or any differences you're seeing.

Underlying competitive environment that gives you confidence about that.

Sure.

This is Joe just to to to provide you a more detailed on that.

You're correct. Our view is that right now, we'll see sequentially similar margins in the first quarter and then when you get to the back half of the years when we'll start to see the improvements driven a lot on the gross margin side really based on some of the increasing in demand as we had talked about it coupled with.

A.

Assumption around a lower inflation environment to those would give us a lot about opportunity or optimism as we get to the back half the year.

Your question in regards to other actions that we're taking absolutely. Thank Julian mentioned several that we do on the gross margin side from focusing on private label. We also have a very focused effort internally around our pricing tools that we utilize to systematically.

Established pricing across the company as well too. So there's several things that we're doing internally and then some of the additional initiatives as Julie and went through our though are really what gives us the optimism as we look forward to to driving gross margins.

That help.

Yes, it does but maybe maybe I didn't answer the question clearly enough I guess I was thinking more specifically to the competitive environment and that down.

Sure on your market, whether price will actually hold.

Or improve or whether there's risk on on the pricing side sequentially.

No I think.

So overall, we're seeing today, it's stable environment on pricing I think that.

We've experienced downmarket for.

No.

Three quarters of the year I think we did see a decent markets, but overall I think that we're seeing now much more stability in price than we've seen we're not seeing additional competitive actions that I think that that said that bodes positively you know the sequential price improvement that we've seen obviously it was.

Enough market, but I do think that we're seeing a a reasonably decent market and this is fairly typical for this time of year, obviously the markets.

Good slows a little bit.

But I do think we're seeing a more stable environment today than we were when there was additional weather earlier in the yes.

Okay got it thanks for that additional detail on a joke best of luck in your semi retirement.

Hi, Thanks appreciate it.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Truman Patterson from Wells Fargo. Your line is no Ben.

Hi, good afternoon guys.

First just wanted to touch on the increase stammered amortization costs and acquisition related costs, just what really drove those and well these persist going forward into into 2020.

Yeah, the amortization goes.

Good afternoon. Truman this is Joe by the way the increased amortization is really based on the accelerated tables that are used for.

Driving your amortization so it's all related to the allied kind of acquisition and that's a table. That's been established we can get just some more specific numbers on that amortization numbers going forward for Nike for the 20 year I don't have those on the tip of my analysis right now, but I can get should the amortization numbers for next year.

Okay. The reason that I'm really asking is that the adjusted amortization costs impacted your adjusted EPS and I'm. Just wondering if that's going to persist going forward into 2020, you know whether or not we need to adjust for that.

Yeah.

I think I actually think you'll start to go down in 2020, because it's all based on the cash flow analysis that used to come up with the amortization table sport, but what I can do is I can give you some specific data on that one Truman.

Okay, Okay, and then Julien no one of your key goals is to grow your customer base could you maybe just walk through that a little bit more of what that entails at a high level and judging by the residential roofing growth this quarter.

All stabilize your market share after losing a bit of share the past one to two years I'm wondering near term. If you all adjusted your pricing strategy at all and the reason I'm asking you know fourth quarter gross margin guidance.

The results actually came in probably 60 bips below guidance. So I'm trying to understand what all was market versus your old maybe pricing strategy.

Sure I appreciate the opportunity to talk about that so let me first of all take be the first part of your question about so strategy and then take the second part of the question.

As I look at.

The businesses I'd come in I think the ability of a whole organization to turn its focus away from the large integrations that we've done back to the market really be very active in the markets with our sales organization calling on costs.

The moves day in day out making sure that we're very active is back I think there is no is two ways that you want to grow as new customers that are coming in and there's a larger share of wallet I think how we go after those two components is important I think that you know as we articulate more about.

Our strategy in this space those are the two elements that I'm really talking about in terms of our sales organization just being a little more active more focused on the marketplace I'm probably to be Frank.

No post acquisition now that those are behind us a little more focused on the marketplace overall.

I think that's a that's that's really importance earning back.

And getting more share of the customers that we do do business with I think is is really important in terms of overall pricing in the quarter I don't think that we've changed our posture in terms of our pricing outlook in terms of our pricing strategy I think we do have to be very active.

If on that obviously, it's a it's a very local business, we do need to be competitive in the marketplace. We do need to make sure that we're responding to competition appropriately. We also think that.

One of the benefits to scale when the returns to scale is the ability to capture more market information and deploy tools that help us manage price.

More actively then really local competition.

And that's something that I think where we're still in the early stages of but really we want to drive home.

Okay. Thank you guys.

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Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for fitting me in and Congrats show a again on your Oh retirement from the company best of luck going forward.

First question I I wanted to try and get a sense I know Julian you've talked at length on this call around you know trying to refocus the company or increase the focus on organic growth.

Yeah, obviously going back to your analyst day, you talked a lot about the different initiatives even at that point in terms of you know Oh.

Well a lot around.

Digital and leveraging the branch network.

Oh, I guess, you're starting to turn the corner.

Rolling the residential roofing roughly in line with the market this quarter.

Maybe as <unk> as opposed to losing a little bit of share over the last year or two.

I guess my question is really you know when would we expect to see some of those gains in digital and some of the other initiatives turned the corner to actually gain some share you know just kind of curious about if you parse out you know the initiatives that you're rolling out.

How does that reconcile with you know some of the share losses in the past or the roughly in line with the market growth this quarter and I know we've talked a lot about you know geographic mix, but you know I was wondering if if theres any other way to kinda working through and detail some of the progress you've been making.

And in those initiatives that you've been pointing to.

Well thanks for the question I appreciate the opportunity to answer that its look I mean part of the reason that we've delayed providing some of the guidance is really around our ability to articulate how this is going to come through.

You know we've said now that said, we would expect off this quarter in second quarter to be no fist quarter down.

Based on the comps based on.

Gross margin progression being about flat.

We would see our second through fourth quarters or start to see improvement you know I think that it's where we would start to see the impact of initiatives is as we come out of the winter months when the volume starts to improve.

The initiatives will have.

Much bigger impact across a larger amount of sales so really it's starting to build.

Over the next six months and then really start to hit the market in the next.

The six months following that so.

Now I don't not want to get into quantifying that right now because we really stood in the process of reviewing this and seeing what's possible I do want to emphasize that you know the opportunity to getting to be more active with our sales organization in the field to improve our branch operations, particularly those that.

Today at the bottom end Abbas scale.

And then to drive differentiation home I think that Sam I do emphasize on the digital side have been very impressed without position there I talk to both customers about how they interact and.

With us through that platform and that's been a that's been really encouraging for me to see growth rates in Matt that space I mean.

No well over several hundred million dollars now.

That platform and growing rapidly and you know I think that we can find ways to drive margin a there to ensure that we're picking up share of wallet. So I think that it takes a it'll take a little bit of time to really quantify where that is.

But I do see a sum.

Rays of hope I in a in that space that are really important for us to do in terms of timing you know I'll wait until early next year to provide additional color on that.

Great. Thank you Julie in I guess, secondly, just maybe a point of clarification on the the gross margin you said that a in the in the quarter in this fourth quarter, you did get some sequential pricing improvement, but gross margins sequentially did slip.

30 basis points, so is that 30 basis points.

You know additional kind of negative mix.

And then and as you kind of kindly laid out some of your thoughts going forward in terms of the first quarter in into the second.

You know two out of the last three years, you've had a nice.

A sequential decline one Q2 Q.

Would you expect that to be a similar type of decline or would you expect to continue to see the the 24 three kind of remain pretty stable at least over the next couple of quarters.

You know I think we typically do see.

You know small decline at this time of year in gross margins as they come through so I think we'd probably anticipating something in the range.

Obviously, where oh.

It's a it's early on but I do think that that would be fairly typical for us so without providing any real more insight the Matt.

I do think we'll see.

To see that continue I think this time of year I know, we get some or we get a little bit of leveraged <unk> de leveraging coming through so.

Overall I think that's you know the mix for the winter is probably unfavorable.

But I think that's where we're going to continue to see.

No progress through the end of this calendar year and then further progress since we come out of a new year and seeing improving margins as we start to.

Get into next year.

I'll take the first half of your question, which is related to that Q4 numbers and really it was not a mix related issue, causing the year over year.

Decline Jim It really was all in costs in the cost or price cost spread.

And really was about and as I mentioned cost was 30, but it was really about the cost rolling through from the third quarter. So those cost in the third quarter as Julie mentioned got into our inventory than they rolled through are you now that's what drove the Oh.

Price cost it spread being able to high this quarter.

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Well thank you.

Yes.

So right now I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Francis for his closing remarks.

Thank you Justin I appreciate that.

Yeah I appreciate everyone joining our call sitting my first call as a as the CEO .

And I'm very optimistic about.

Beacons position going forward.

Within the industry, we've got excellent strategic positioning.

No I think we remain one of the leaders in providing value added solutions to our customers.

Now on Utac towards organic growth and honing sales and operations.

Leveraging our scale provides structure for a new chapter beacon.

Yeah. We can continue to appreciate the support from the investment community as well as our valued customers suppliers and employers.

Thank you very much this evening for joining our call. Thank you.

And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes todays conference call. Thank you for participating you may now disconnect.

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