Q1 2020 Earnings Call
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Thank you do this welcome to our first quarter 2020 Onek School.
With me today is our CEO .
And our CFO Alex Smith.
A press release and a supplementary investor presentation are available on our Investor Relations website.
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As a reminder, during the school, we will be making forward looking statements and ask you to look at the cautionary language contained in our press release regarding the risks and uncertainties associated with forward looking statements.
In addition, during the school, we will be using certain non-GAAP financial measures and we have provided a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures do the most directly comparable GAAP measures, we will discuss our results in South African Rand, which is a non-GAAP measure.
We analyze our results of operations in our press release in Rand to assist investors in understanding the underlying trends of our business.
As you know the company's results can be significantly affected by currency fluctuations between the U.S. dollar and the South African Rand.
Yeah, the Q any session following our prepared remarks, but with that let me turn the call over there.
Thank you lose a good day to everybody.
There's been no strategic shift since we last reported only six weeks ago.
And therefore I want to focus today's discussion mainly on our European strategy.
During the exercise the option to take a controlling stake in bank Frick.
What does the developments in progress we have made since the same but.
The highlights about Q1 2020 results include.
First we reported revenue of $81 million.
Which included approximately $8 million up at all called me technology and telecom product sales that's been a nice improvement over Q4, 29 teeny constant currency.
They can we reported adjusted EBITDA of $2.8 billion finally restraining the groups to positive EBITDA as a result of actions over the past nine months.
Third the E Commerce remained relatively stable, it's 1.1 million.
The related financial services.
Well stay safe EBITDA margin improved over 200 basis points again, this quarter to 23% compared to Q4 2019 as a result about if it's the exit unprofitable agents and merchant relationships and finally, we exercised the option to acquire a city. So the 35% the bank Frick by March 2020.
Which would give us a controlling interest and help us accelerate our ability to provide a vertically integrated depends big solution in Europe .
Let me now address the progress on our full key objectives for between between <unk>.
The first objective was to transition about South African business from a b to B model to a BDC model.
Our dog at least to grow active account base by at least didn't proceed from the 1.1 million got them a little we had in Q4 two any 19.
We expect to eat D base to naturally chewed over time, and you account growth to be driven by the finbond offerings.
We also intend to increase our loan book by at least they proceed subject to having access to sufficient liquidity to fund the book.
He'd be accounts, whereas 1.6 million just slightly down on the 1.65 million at the end of Q4 as a result of natural attrition and inline with our expectations.
We commenced a soft launch about new FINMA offerings on October the first and without any marketing if it's opened 7000 new accounts to date.
We will continue to to find the product that value proposition in the short term as off I mentioned in value added services offerings, all the key Differentiators and play a critical role in driving account growth.
As soon as we are able to inject sufficient liquidity to this business, we expect account growth to accelerate meaningfully during the second half of fiscal 2020 .
We continue to see demand from 80, M. infrastructure and in Q1 continued with the rollout of 80 acres in the country and installed 115, new machines, bringing our total deployed base to 1405.
Easy pay continued to gain market share both with retailers and villas, winning a number of mandates during Q1 and grew 4% sequentially compete into Q4.
We also made significant strides in our R&D to build a cloud based U.S.P.C.N.V. issuing and acquiring system [noise].
Then can significantly accelerate time to market for any you issuing banks anyway in the world, including fund booked.
No sleep on D. at night and cell C.
In Q1, two and between D. D N I announced the acquisition of two businesses that will provide further diversification of these revenue sources.
And meaningfully scale they operations.
We believe these acquisitions would expand the appeal of denied to prospective investors and ultimately result in the exercise of the call option to acquire our remaining 50% at a strike price of $56 million.
We may extend the validity of the pool option too much the city foods 2022 allowed the an eye to compute its acquisitions and raise the necessary capital.
Well sell C., we continued to carry the value about still see basement at zero in Q1 2020 .
I'll see has been actively pursuing its proposed infrastructure sharing agreement with Indian and subsequent to that expects to conclude its recapitalization.
Oh second objective for 23 needs to introduce them to scale, our new payments grip, though and block chain offerings in Europe .
We expect to launch the first of its gone Brent you crypto in block chain products, along with a new brand before the end of this kinda Ya.
And I'd be geez, you issuing and acquiring products in the second half of fiscal 2020 .
All of these products all rolled out in close cooperation with bank Frick.
As these product scale, we expect eight IP GE revenues disguised as well in during the first reducing losses and they'd becoming accretive to the group.
On October the second we exercised the option to acquire an additional 55% interest in bank Frick.
The transaction is subject to approval from the Liechtenstein financial markets Authority.
And is expected to close in March 20 between.
Bank Frick provides the cornerstone of our European strategy to deliver all encompassing financial technology and banking services to east him he's in the region.
I will discuss the European strategy in more detail shortly.
Visa concluded its on supported the bank Frick. It has given them conditional approval with final approval once they visit I'd be g.'s moved into in Malta, which has been scheduled for the end of November .
We are dependent on visa and they time frames to provide unconditional approval and do a council visas. That's the seemed to be used free spirit. We believe this prostates will be completed during Q3 2020 .
Lastly on India in fiscal 2019, Mobikwik applied for direct membership with visa and became an associate member in Q4 2019.
You know October 2019, the reserve Bank of India approved application by Mobikwik and visa to launch programs with Mobikwik as the issuer.
We're currently working with Mobikwik to relaunch, our virtual card offering on a much longer or larger scale.
Cross they qualify customer base, which has in excess of 10 million users.
Mobikwik itself has performed ahead of expectations.
Primarily due to its successful transition to being a digital financial services provider.
September 2019, Mobikwik reported an order the annualized revenue of $60 million up from $26 million in something between 18.
It has been contribution margin positive since October between 18 and achieved Kashi EBITDA breakeven in the month of August Threeninety.
Digital financial services now accounts for approximately 25% of Mobikwik steadily monthly revenue compete to zero during the previous fiscal year and it is currently does boosting in excess of 100000, new loans per month.
[noise] Alfred strategic objective for 2020 is to rapidly grow payment solution sales in Africa.
We aim to accelerate market penetration in Africa, food made one that group and call but.
We expect that group to start generating revenue and into at least what other country outside of Gorda during fiscal 2020.
That group continues to deliver it solutions for the multiple customers finding gone out earlier this year.
And expected Spartan is to roll out these offerings commercially so.
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In addition that group has commenced discussions with multiple parties for <unk> smoking entry into Nigeria.
In addition to the progress they have made we also particularly pleased with the sales leads for need one products they have begun to generate.
Carbon continues to report exponential sequential growth across all the key indicators of its business.
Number of happy installations unique customers loans disbursed number of value added transactions and most importantly, delivering profitable financial results.
Carbons continued growth will be driven by its ability to excess capital and all funding in order to meet the demand for its suite of products.
And finally, our fourth strategic objective will trade between the is the implementation of the turnaround plan and strategic review in South Korea.
During Q1, 2020 , we commenced phase two of the implementation about doing their own planning Korea, which included the exiting of certain unprofitable agent and merchant relationships.
This resulted in a modest reduction in revenue, but a tangible improvement in profitability.
Pertaining to our strategic review of the business our financial advisors have continued to progress the evaluation of a potential disposal of the business.
While we do recognize the importance of these if it's this is an ongoing competitive proceeds being managed by ft Baldness, and we cannot comment further at this stage, but we do expect to conclude this prostates in the next few months.
I would now like to provide some further detail in context around our European strategy and the synergies with bank Frick.
Which resulted in our decision to take a controlling interest in the bank.
Over the past two years.
We have developed state of the or issuing acquiring and processing technologies for a cities as well as solutions for the nascent block chain and virtual financial assets or via a industries, our target markets predominantly E Commerce and block trade based transactions are growing rapidly and presents a significant opportunity when you.
Interests.
Europe's leading fintech companies include I didn't why have caught and pay Pal have a common threed in that these businesses are able to offer a vertically integrated service at the lowest cost as they owe a European banking license and are not dependent on third party providers.
However, given the scale of these entities, we have identified an opportunity for the underserved in markets, where we're a vertically integrated solution can disrupt the market.
A key requirements for any payments company is they have access to visa and Mastercard membership usually available only to fully licensed banks.
Companies can operate independently from a bank via partnership model, but the pricing offered by the banks makes it difficult to compete with him well also presenting the risks that the agreement may be terminated at any time, placing a business that risk.
For this reason coupled with our experience in South Africa with third party banks, we negotiated an option to acquire a controlling interesting bank Frick at the time about original investment.
We gave ourselves two years to determine if the market was viable and to develop the technology, we would need to address that market opportunity efficiently.
Thanks, Eric It's also established itself as the leader in banking services for the crypto industry in Europe , where the added benefit the operating in a fully regulated banking environment.
It has developed several products custodial arrangements as well as advisory services to the world's leading the if I exchanges and virtual currency operators.
The new crypto in block 10 products developed by I'd be G complement bank fix activities and relationships.
I'd be GE has completed the development of its new product range, which has been developed with the seem to the purpose of simplifying and streamlining the complicated process of investing and storing virtual financial assets.
We are in the final phases of user acceptance testing and planned to launch our product range before the end of December .
Offerings will enable you transaction based revenue streams subscription based revenues and hopefully cells.
The last two years of significant investments in personnel in technology has resulted in lower returns for the bank during the spirit.
But these investments on our largely complete and we expect top and bottom line growth from 2020 onwards, with a target auto E. All but lost over at least 12% within the next three years.
So in summary, a combined and creek and I'd be GE payment entity will provide the platform to deliver a competitive vertically integrated into in payment solution in Europe .
Having meaningful revenue and profit in hard currency for the group over time, and therefore significant value creation for named one.
To conclude we are excited with the new products markets in business models, we have developed and look forward to focusing on execution rather than be tied up with legacy and nonproductive issues, we have either jewett over the past 18 months.
It's been I handed over to Eric's to go over the financials.
Thank you and good day to everybody.
I'll be discussing the key results in trends within our operating segments.
Courtroom 2020 compared to a year ago as well as to the fourth quarter 2019, a sequential comparisons are more relevant today, given the changes induced by the group over the past years.
Well the first quarter 2020, or average rent dollar exchange rate was 14 around 75 compared to 14 ran 86 a year ago.
14 ran 29 in the long in the fourth quarter 29 team.
We recorded a fundamental loss per share.
Two cents this quarter compared to the one cents fundamental and he's probably a year ago, which included the contribution from denied.
This compares to a fundamental loss per share in the fourth quarter of 29 team or 11 cents. If you exclude the impact of the so see related fair value adjustment.
He just so impairment and the impact of the Supreme Court of appeal ruling.
The sequential improvement is pleasing as we saw the full effects of the restructuring work for the first time. It was also assisted by certain AD hoc technology and telecom product. So.
My segment, South African transaction processing reported revenue of $19.4 million in the first quarter 2020 down 49% compared with first quarter 2019 [noise].
But up 6% from the fourth quarter of 29 team on a constant currency basis.
The year over year decrease was primarily due to the termination of the SASSA contract, including knows excessive grin on cards and to a lesser extent the reduction in a number of you'd be accounts.
These decreases in revenue and the resulting impact operating income partially offset by higher transaction revenue as a result in increased usage of our ATM.
Our operating margin for the first quarter of 22.
I'm pretty 19 [noise].
Negative 17, when who sent a negative 9.3% respectively.
And compared to negative 13.1% in the fourth quarter 2090.
[noise] deterioration in March quarter.
Due to the nonrecurring civil cost because that's what's in the fourth quarter of 29 team.
International transaction processing generated revenue of $34 million in the first quarter, 2020, which was down 14% compared with first quarter 29 team and done since then compared to the fourth quarter of 29 team in U.S. dollars.
A year over year decrease in I.P.D. revenue was the largest contributor to the year over year decline.
Segment operating margin improved to 11.1%.
In the first quarter 2020, compared to 7% year ago.
6.1% in the fourth quarter of 29 team [noise].
For the first quarter 2020 case net revenue in Korean won was down 4% year over year to $32.8 million, primarily due to lower volumes processed as a result of extinct certain unprofitable agent merchant contracts.
And to send down on the fourth quarter 29 team.
However, we are seeing the benefits of the various initiatives that have been undertaken in EBITDA margins, which have been consistently expanding over the last year and improved by more than 300 basis points compared to the previous quarter [laughter].
And was 23% in the first quarter 2020 .
Okay snacks cash conversion remains strong with a much lower need for capital investment spend was historically the case.
[noise] IP genes legacy businesses have continued to decline and once we rolled out on new products, we expect the business to return to growth and parents current losses.
Hi, PG losses also include approximately $300000 of development costs in respect to the crypto acid storage product.
Incurred during Q1 on top of the $1.4 million dollars into fiscal 2019.
These development costs should start to reduce during fiscal 2020, once we launch the product.
For instance, Gleeson and applied technologies generated revenue, that's the point $1 million in the first quarter 2020, which was down 43% compared with the first quarter 2019, 77% higher compared to the fourth quarter 2019.
The decline from the prior year was primarily due to the deconsolidation of DNR, which started in love.
The beginning of the fourth quarter, 2019, and loving lending and insurance revenue.
I was a compared to the previous quarter, we saw strong I talked to technology telecom product sales that positively impacted revenue by approximately $8 million.
Operating margin was 5% compared to 21.2% in the first quarter 29 team a negative 61.2% in the fourth quarter 29 team.
The operating margin is heavily influenced by the revenue level as there is as there is a significant fixed cost components. In this segment primarily related to the costs incurred to operate all financial services branch infrastructure.
[noise] active VP accounts remain fairly steady through the first quarter, and where the stable E Bay or lending and insurance businesses have also returned to more normalized operating performance levels.
Our net loan book was of the someone other than to the start of the quarter and with that stability, we have seen default rates moving back towards historical levels.
We've also launched news variable line products during the quarter under monitoring the take up an impact on credit risk.
Hi, My car insurance policyholders, who also remain largely flat at around 220000 over the last two quotas and we are implementing new plans to grow the policy holder base across a much wider customer base.
This will involve with developing new distribution channels, because if you're just for the traditional funeral policy product.
Well, it's potentially other new products.
Oh pretty expenses in the first quarter 2020 were in line with the fourth quarter 29 team once the previous quarter is normalized for the $1.8 million right back in stock compensation charges.
[noise] across corporate costs, a slightly higher than the equivalent quarter last year due to higher advisor fees related to some of our strategic initiatives, but this is more than offset by lower acquired intangible asset amortization. Following the deconsolidation of D. and I and the fact that IP g.'s occur.
Slide intangible assets are now fully amortized.
We continue to assess the fair value of our investment in cell C to zero value.
We do not see any likelihood increasing that says Ali until the recapitalization has been completed.
So see itself is seeing some benefits from an increasing focus on a core operations instead of liquidity management that needs to complete the recapitalization to create sustainable business.
We continue to provide support to the management team and they're looking to leverage on distribution network for so sees benefit.
We recognized income from equity accounted investments of $1.1 million during the first quarter 2020 compared to $1.3 million in the same period last year.
Within the amount, we saw a contribution of putting $7 million from a 30% investment in Vietnam.
Business that was consolidated in the equivalent period last year.
The reduced contribution from Finbond in the quarter is the result of the reduced lending, but can send been filling the migration obsessive beneficiaries to the separate bank accounts in the second half of last year.
Thanks bricks near term profitability continues to be impacted by its investment in people to expand its operations, we expect to see stronger performance into the end of the calendar year.
Overall, we expect the contribution from our equity accounted in vessels to be positive on an annual basis as it is impacted by the timing of reported results by our various investments.
At September Thirtyth 29 team, our unrestricted cash was approximately $42 million.
Page $46.1 million at the end of June .
I think need amounts off again short term credit facilities of 10.3 million $9.5 million respectively.
And our net unrestricted cash reduced from $36.6 million to $31.7 million in the quarter.
The decrease in all cash balances was largely due to the investment into working capital in the quarter.
That's right.
That is largely reversed post quarter end.
Investment in working capital of $21.4 million reflected in the cash flow is inflated by the purchase of so see at time of $12.7 million, which was funded through borrowings.
Adjusting for this effect he was a net investment of $8.7 million into working capital from cash resources.
Capital expenditures in the quarter of $2.6 million is related to a bulk order of ATM switch to satisfy our requirements for the next two quarters.
We had short term banking facilities available to us in various territories of $31.6 million.
September Thirtyth 2019.
$1.3 million, which had been utilized.
As of September Thirtyth, 2019, we had restricted cash of $68.8 million and associated short term facilities utilization of $68.8 million.
We haven't play short term credit facilities of 1.45 billion Rand $95.6 million, specifically to fund our ATM in South Africa.
And have presented capstone under these facilities and in the processing system as restricted cash from the balance sheet.
Adjusting for the purchase so see at time of free cash for the utilization amounted to $8 million, which included an $8.7 million increased working capital.
The only that's on the balance sheet relates to the funding of the cell C. S on purchase, which we expect to be able to central one seven seas recapitalizations complete we're under the terms of acquiring arrangements.
As discussed in our law school, we continue to heavily liquidity requirements in the short term the constrained our ability to commit resources to share buybacks will fund investments required fuel internal growth.
In particular, there are working cap to funding requirements in respective intra month cash flows and all the businesses.
We need to continue to funding in the international operations and the I say operations as they returned to profitability.
We have some new product launches and some operational requirements on growth opportunities in some of the I say business units.
However on the occurrence of liquidity event, such as the disposal the remaining DNR investment where the sale of other businesses. This will create capacity for share buybacks and dividends alongside our other capital requirements.
Our first quarter 2020 tax expense was $2 million compared to the expense of $6.5 million in the first quarter 29 team.
Our effective tax rate continues to be impacted by the losses incurred by certain south African businesses as we've effectively not recorded the deferred tax asset benefit related to these net operating losses.
Our effective tax rate is likely to continue to be distorted by losses incurred by certain about businesses.
[noise] a weighted average share counts it remained relatively constant at 56.6 billion shares through the first quarter of 20 to 20.
[noise] despite the improved performance in the first quarter, we maintain our guidance to generate adjusted EBITDA of at least $60 million easing off fiscal 2019 exchange rate.
14.27 round it to the dollar.
With improvements in South Africa in South Korea, being partially offset by losses in IP G. You start up operations internationally and corporate overheads.
We will revisit the guidance as our visibility over the potential liquidity events improves and we can then commit the necessary resources the re growth of our South African business in particular.
We can now open up the cool, we'll keep an eye.
Thank you very much sun, ladies and gentlemen at this time it you know how succession, you're welcome to press the star and at one Anita Santander to keep that audience.
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The next question comes from Scott not often be Ronnie.
Hey, good morning, guys I. Appreciate the time, you had a negative or a court ruling I guess you have a court ruling I went against you in the quarter I'm curious what the next steps there are and how we should think about potential liability.
Sure Hi, Scott we have.
Decided to appealed the ruling.
To be a constitutional court. So that's actually suspends the implementation of the Supreme Court of Appeals judgments. So the next step is that we will be waiting for the decision from the constitutional court as to either they will hear the appeal or not.
And as soon as we've we don't expect that's too to take too long.
Hopefully, we will get a response and of course they say.
Pulled up the early parts all the 2020 calendar 2020 .
And so as soon as you know we've we've been through the appeals process will be able to give more color around the.
Status of that particular clay.
Okay, Great second it sounds like some of the businesses are really in a bit of a holding pattern now until you're able to access some liquidity through.
Potential sales divestitures, the et cetera can you talk a little bit about the the you know.
Commercial products I guess in South Africa, and kind of what is geared up and ready to go and maybe what the the long term opportunity is there.
Sure.
So in the South African market, our core focus.
Over the next year's to two years will be to rebuild our base all accounts bank account holders easy pay every way as we used to quoted in the past account holders.
We have finalized all of the work required to issue.
The new caught in collaboration with Finbond segment as you May note is.
Investment company of make ones, we own a approximately 29% stake in the bank.
And so obvious reasons, we decided to develop our new product offering in collaboration with one of our investment companies. So the offering is really very similar to what we've discussed in the post we aim to put together.
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Bosket the products that is targeted at the.
And the simple unbanked and under banked market. So I think it's important to differentiate that this is not only.
What we traditionally serviced in the form of social grant recipients, we we have a broader markets EM segment that we address with this product.
The products within the offering includes a retail bank accounts, which we think is the lowest cost bank account of it stopped in the country in terms of servicing transaction fees. It includes excess too cheap unsecured created a inline with our current portfolio. So anything between one to six months.
Then it includes access to keep a life insurance.
Or low cost life insurance and ultimate the also access to low cost polyphony products. So.
Well the next year or two we will focus our efforts on a rolling out there's a basket of products.
Our target base in collaboration with Finbond NIPT, one has approximately 250 branches or locations across the country. Finbond has approximately 430 branches one locations across the country. So the distribution network exists the.
Logistical network exists oil it needs this for us to put all of our financial services.
Products together that as we indicated has now been done in a pilot phase started that on the first of October we think that we will be ready to do a proppant launch including food.
Good thing and advertising by the beginning of calendar 2020 and that will drive a number of revenue lines for the company will obviously drive the financial services.
Revenues that we own as well as the transactional and fee revenues that we own.
As our customers also make use of our ATM network I Wouldnt have settled network and purchasing value added services prepaid utilities et cetera et cetera.
Okay, Great last one for me.
The 8 million dollar benefit from AD hoc tech sales this quarter or are there additional opportunities there that we could see over the next few quarters or is that kind of a onetime shot.
It's.
Well, it's easy to predict these at oak cells with great accuracy, we do have a number of business lines. Wade hold me cells is a component of the revenues that we generate you know we have I'll hold me security module a units we've caught out of a sudden caught and chip unit.
We've got our point of sale sales unit that was all businesses that that.
Also in addition to add to generating annuity based revenues fell hauled way.
We have long time customers that place orders on us from time to time, we believed that we that those customers will continue to place orders on us.
And.
Yeah. The way we look at this is it's it's not really a oh bought about business. It is an incidental upside if I can call. It that from what we actually provide but you know looking forward over the next year. There's no reason to believe that from from time to time, the same sort of.
Hardware orders will not materialize.
Alright, perfect I appreciate the time thanks, guys.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, just remind anything I've asked question, you're welcome Express store and then one.
Your next question comes from Steven on CD Lumpiness Citibank.
Hi, good morning, Herman and Tim.
My question is does it sounds like there's a great deal synergy between yours.
Good.
HM Bon bag.
Sure a lot has to take full control other banks.
Are you just done with bank for it looks like there's a great deal synergy there why would you.
He merger South African businesses into.
Transactions that stock transaction was then bond what are the considerations that hold you back from doing that are there a negative consequences under South African law.
Holding company or are there issues with shareholders that are unwilling to do that or don't see the synergies there that are clearly apart.
I'm just curious to hear your thoughts on us.
Thanks for that Steven its a.
Kinda like stating the obvious I think it it makes a lot of states for us.
Too too.
So it means our south African business.
Also with with having unfettered access to a local license and it certainly is something that is well considered and and discussed on our side.
In great detail there a couple of things all factors that we need to consider.
Into in the South Africa environment, which makes it a little bit more complicated.
From from the European scenario.
The first thing is that fair amount is a public list the company.
So it is and those listed locally here on the Janice book stock exchange that means you know any transaction will be subject to a number of shareholder approvals consultations fairly lengthy and complicated process is not insurmountable, probably say says, but just a in a time consuming and.
Relatively complicated when it comes to be Documentations and timing probably stay says.
We would locally also need to obtain.
Approval from the specific regulators.
Most specifically I think the competition authorities.
So that is another sector and delaying consideration that we need to take into account.
Finbond as a mutual bank in South Africa is obviously also regulated by the South African Reserve Bank and they would need to be consultant EM into this process.
And I think that the final consideration here is.
The Finbond actually comprises of two.
Distinct geographical businesses. It has a south African business and in South Africa. It owns a mutual banking license. It also has a north American business, which is is a significant component of offend bonds current financial results. The lost results were published a couple of.
Weeks ago, and they reflect that the north American business contributes roughly two thirds of the group's profits at this point in time. So we all looking at the corporate finance element of things all the time, but for US the very specific focus right now is to launch the products together.
Phenomenon in the interim I think it's it's it's safe to say that the corporation that we've got it up at a professional I know that operational level in terms of getting the the various financial services and products commercialized.
Is really grades and is what we would expect from one of our Investee companies.
Okay. Thanks, very much for the the color on that.
Right.
[noise] like it makes that there's a follow up doesn't make sense for Finbond Setanta U.S.
Thank license or is that not an option.
Oh, I think Burgess U.S. operations, the emergence U.S. operations from the South African operations.
I think logically that he is a step that would make sense in the longer term.
But obviously being being part of a southern African holding company. We also have some exchange control and other considerations to take into account, but ultimately.
It would make sense to do you have those two businesses take rate that in my opinion.
Yeah, My observation as a bank exactly the United States is that the.
The environment in the United States to 10, New Bank charter is the best the ban and probably the last 20 years.
Right.
And I don't know if that that window of opportunity will stay open after the next election to track.
[laughter]. So that's something we'll obviously be keeping a close I'll.
Great. Thank you very much thank you.
[noise] any expansion consistent no there's a promising Smith.
All right I like to know the status of Mobikwik and that's it can monetize that.
But.
[noise], Yeah, Hi, Alan this is drove so mobikwik, yeah, I think overtime, we would look at that but again, the strategic rationale for us to make that investment.
It was to help us.
With market entry in penetration into a new and sizable market. So for now we are still in the early innings of off that the objective and we're working in close cooperation, but you know in the long term as they have plans to do an IPO those sorts of events would have.
Liquidity events, and we can certainly look at monetization.
According to event at that time.
Over what period of time will they consider the IPO was gonna be in five years years, its ones well I think according to what they've talked to a the press about in India as is probably 2020 122.
Thank you very much.
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And Mr. <unk> question.
I'm, sorry, and downside to India concessions.
Yes, that's my question.
Very much next question comes from supply chain sonnets, I'll touch him that capital management.
Hi, good morning.
Hi project so as.
Hi, there are so as we look forward a little bit and assume that you do ultimately have some liquidity from divestitures.
And you can apply that to the two main growth areas you focused on earlier, the rebuilding that account base that easypay everywhere and then the European card opportunity.
I'm not going to focus on Africa for now, but previously when when easy pay.
Was ramping towards a you know three four or 5 million subs that was a business that you had outlined economics of getting too I think it was something like $30 million to $50 million and EBITDA at your targets. I guess my question is are those types of economic still valid to think about or is it better because we've got fence bond or.
Worse.
And similarly can you quantify the European card opportunity over over a multiyear period as well to sway that sense of what this could like as focus shifts to operations next few years.
[noise] looking first at the South African side of things.
I think the economics that we held up a previously before before the.
The great account heist.
Still stack up we in fact, we would expect those economics to be marginally beta I'm, specifically, because we including Finbond a in the Rollouts. There's obviously on top of the usual transaction fees.
And and financial services fees that we would and as the service provider. The addition of the profit she effectively all the equity accounted shade that we have in Finland.
But I think as a broad major you can't take the same economics that we.
I have always been <unk> on the provision of these bank accounts within the South African environment.
When we get to the the European.
Opportunities. There is there's a you know we obviously need to launch first that's all focused over the next couple of months.
But you know we would expect over time and when I said overtime in the medium term it say three to five years to at least $25 million.
Pos in EBITDA.
The opportunities in Europe , all obviously multi pronged today is not only a card.
Issuing opportunity.
But is the quad acquiring and the payment gateway opportunities it will depend how fast those relevant or components ramp up and in each of them has a specific a economic metrics to it it's got different cost basis, and we'll have to see exactly what the product mix in.
That being but for us the target will be to get to that sort of 25 million dollar EBITDA level in the medium to.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you very much laid essentially adjustment that was the final question.
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