Q1 2020 Earnings Call
Westrock Company first quarter 2020 earnings conference call.
At this time I'd like to turn the call over to Mr., James Armstrong, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Thank you operator, good morning, and thank you for joining.
Fiscal first quarter 2020 earnings call, we issued a press release this morning and posted the accompanying slide presentation. The Investor Relations section of our website. They can be accessed iris westrock dot com, where via a link on the right side of the application you are using to view this webcast.
With me on today's call or Westrocks, Chief Executive Officer, Steve Voorhees, or Chief Financial Officer Ward Dickson, our Chief commercial officer, and President of corrugated packaging, Jeff Chalovich as well as our Chief Innovation officer, and president of consumer packaging pacman or.
Following our prepared comments, we will open up the coal for question answer session.
During the course of today's call, we will be making forward looking statements involving our plans expectations estimates and beliefs related to future events. These statements may involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those we discussed during the call.
We describe these risks and uncertainties in our filings with the FCC, including our 10-K for the fiscal year ended September Thirtyth 2019. Additionally, we will be referencing non-GAAP financial measures. During the call. We've provided reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures most directly comparable GAAP measures in the appendix of this slide presentation as mentioned previously.
Slide presentation is available on our website.
So I'll turn it over to you Steve.
Thanks.
Good morning.
Thank you for joining our fiscal first quarter 20, Twond <unk> earnings call.
During the fiscal first quarter, we made substantial progress executing our differentiated strategy.
Markets better characterized by stable demand increasing supply.
Of course with ever growing needs for innovative sustainable packaging solutions.
Lots rocks well positioned to meet these needs with our comprehensive portfolio fiber based packaging solutions.
This is demonstrated by another quarter of growth of our sales more than 160 customers buying at least $1 million from each of our segments.
As customers now represent annual rate of sales some of my my half the OEM or 40% of our total sales.
Turning the corner.
Our sales increased 2.2% to $4.4 billion, mainly due to the addition of capstone.
Our adjusted segment EBITDA of $675 million was within the guidance expectations that we provided in November .
Our capital investments of $375 million in the quarter.
Quoted $132 million.
Strategic projects. These projects include our new Florence paper machine and the upgrade of our containerboard mill in Brazil.
We expect this most recent quarter to be the high watermark for capital expenditures for this fiscal year.
We expect our Capex to decline next fiscal year to an annual rate of $900 million to $1 billion on an ongoing basis.
During this past year, we've completed our strategic investments are Covington, and Mark miles and at our box plant and portofino ways.
The products to be completed this fiscal year include our Florence paper machine in the North Charleston, No reconfiguration.
While these investments have negatively impacted our results in this quarter. These projects will deliver substantial benefits in the near and long term for a company.
As these projects ramp up.
We expect they won't go lover, an additional $85 million an annual run rate EBITDA.
The end of the fiscal fourth quarter.
And a total.
Total $475 million in Q1 of annual run rate EBITDA.
End of fiscal 2021.
We expect to increase this run rate on the trace boss upgrade is fully operational in fiscal 2022.
Wes along with the accretion of Capstone Biofx will provide productivity benefits that will sustain our financial results and cash flow generation.
Let's turn to slide four.
Adjusted segment EBITDA decreased by $58 million you every year.
The EBITDA decline from the prior year was the result of the flow through of previously published price changes lower export and domestic containerboard and Kraft paper prices and lower global pulp prices.
The decline in pricing was partially offset by input cost inflation.
The benefits of ongoing productivity initiatives and the additional amounts of Kapstones resolved.
We had a relatively high scheduled maintenance outage corner with 146000 times downtime across our North American mill system.
This is more than double the amount of maintenance downtime that we had in the same quarter last year.
We generated $453 million of adjusted operating cash flow in the corner.
This was up $105 million from the prior year.
In fiscal 2019, our adjusted free cash flow was more than $1 billion, and we expect to sustain that $1 billion and free cash flow during the course of fiscal 20 Twond.
We're focusing on executing our differentiated strategy, our commercial excellence operational excellence and digital programs that will result in profitable organic growth and productivity improvements and generate cash flow that will return or two that will return our leverage ratio to our two on a quarter Tom.
Two and a half times target.
Turning to our corrugated packaging segment.
Sales for the fiscal first quarter were $2.9 billion.
This was an increase of 6.4% over last year.
It was primarily due to the capstone acquisition.
Our north American corrugated packaging adjusted EBITDA margins for 19.3 per song.
This decline versus prior year was driven primarily by lower domestic and export containerboard Kraft paper and pulp pricing was partially offset by lower fiber and energy costs and the additional month of capstone resolved.
[noise] industry operating rates improved.
From 91.8% in fiscal fourth quarter to 94.1% fiscal first quarter.
Similar to our first quarter January demand in our North American business.
Stable year over year, and backlogs across domestic export and box or solid.
Demand from ecommerce continues to grow at a double digit pace.
Despite the stable demand that we've experienced earlier this month PPW Pricewatch published a price reduction $10 per ton on domestic linerboard and $15 per ton on domestic medium.
Our fiscal first quarter included 110000 pounds of maintenance downtime and no containerboard economic downtime.
Inventories across our system on balance and our integration right for the quarter was 78%, 2% higher than a year ago.
Our long term integration right target is 90%.
In September .
We announced the reconfiguration, North Charleston, Mount which included the permanent shutdown of a paper machine earlier this month have reduced or linerboard capacity by 288000 times.
We expect to achieved a $40 million an annual run rate benefits by the end of the calendar year.
This transition impacted adjusted segment EBITDA by $10 million due to higher operating costs and lower sales volume.
The new paper machine at our foreign smell remains on schedule and and is scheduled to begin operation during the first half of this calendar year.
Machine translation construction are nearing completion wrapping up the remaining work necessary to transition to commissioning efforts.
Our box shipments grew.
4.5 per site per day basis. This includes an additional month of capstone.
We're helping our customers when in their markets.
Our ability to win with customers is enabled by continued investment in the most modern high speed low cost corrugators and converting equipment and the industry.
We're delivering high quality products on time, and then fall to customers and solving critical challenges.
We're bringing a multifaceted set of solutions to our local national and global customers that included the most comprehensive portfolio.
Have converted lightweight, 100% recycled and Virgin liners, and coated white top and specialty craft liners.
The investments, we've made and Rightsizing technology.
Like box on demand.
And box size or enable our customers to reduce their packaging in Hawaii.
Help achieve bare sustainability goals and dramatically reduce their shopping manufacturing and total supply chain cost.
Our containerboard product portfolio and machinery enable us to customize our packaging to meet the specific needs of our customers for the lightest white hot from why sized and most sustainable packaging solutions that can reduce their fiber usage by up to 40 person.
We have unrivaled scale and a full suite of Grafix capabilities.
Same quite at the most modern preprint operation the premium preeminent display business in North America.
These capabilities enable our customers to revitalize.
Green bond.
Or launch new brands at scale.
Now turning to Brazil.
[noise] Brazil's first quarter adjusted EBITDA of $22 million was negatively impacted by the ramp up of Porto flies.
That's planned hop rights of first preprint machine in South America, because now providing the opportunity for customers Miss region to differentiate their packaging with exceptional graphics.
While still small portion of the plants volume or pre front capabilities supporting our growth in the market.
We expect to increase production and sales over the remainder in fiscal 2020.
Trace boss expansion product project, it's on track for startup in first half of calendar 2021.
Moving to slide six.
The consumer packaging segment reported sales of $1.5 billion and adjusted segment EBITDA of $184 million.
Shipment volumes in the quarter of 922000 tons were down 47000 times as compared to the prior year.
Over the past nine months, we've had extended outages at our Covington and Mark Mills in order to complete our strategic capital projects.
We've also conducted major scheduled maintenance outages at these mills.
In the fiscal first quarter.
These outages and inventory de stocking buyer converting customers negatively impacted our sales volumes, especially in the food food service and beverage end markets.
Market driven reductions in pulp prices the impact of 36000 tons of scheduled maintenance outages impacted our results.
The first quarter was our peak maintenance outage corridor across our consumer Mel system.
Shipments of converted product products were stable with growth in foodservice and beverage end markets, partially offset by some softness and branded consumer shipments in Europe and Asia.
We also saw a reduction of shipments during the holiday shutdown period from some of our large branded customers.
Consumer demand for sustainable packaging continues to gain momentum.
For example.
We've commercialized fiber based Prost tries to eliminate fun and perishable food applications, such as me trays.
We're also converting beverage customers from plastic high crown and shrink wrap to paperboard packaging solutions.
We're extending our carton design paperboard materials machinery capability to canned food applications, where were building a pipeline of opportunities to replace plastic shrink wrap.
Our ability to partner with customers on innovation, the broadest portfolio of products, So key differentiator for Westrock.
What's the strategic investments in our mill system behind us.
We expect.
The consumer packaging side one.
To improve its financial performance and we're striving to achieve our medium term target.
Of 18% EBITDA margin in this segment.
And 26 chain when we formed Westrock, we supplied 102 customers that bought at least $1 million from each of our corrugated and consumer packaging businesses for a total of $4.7 billion.
Since 26 team we've grown this group of customers to 161 was seven and a half Boeing dollars annual sales.
This is a 60% increase.
These customers value, our broad portfolio of paper and packaging solutions and the ability that westrock has to partner with them to solve their most critical challenges.
Our machinery business as a key component to this enterprise effort, we placed more than 100 machines during the quarter.
This brings our total machine placements to more than 3700.
When you combine all of Westrocks capabilities.
With a full range of paper grades and folding carton label, and then start capabilities that we have across our company.
There isn't a packaging company, that's better possession been westrock to create customized environmentally sustainable solutions for customers that help them reduce their total cost some more product minimize their risk and reduce their environmental impact.
Sustainability continues to be a very important topic for all of our stakeholders.
Many of our customers are making long term commitments to use packaging, that's 100% recyclable reusable or compostable.
Our partnership with Santa Monica Seafood demonstrates how westrocks broad portfolio can enable a customer shift to more sustainable packaging.
They ship fresh fish around the world.
These shipments have to stay called from the plant to the customer.
They were using hard from packaging and non recyclable gel cooling packs.
Santa Monica seafood needed a machinery impacting combination that would make their called supply chain more sustainable and profession.
We designed corrugated packaging package, that's recyclable and maintains the critical temperature control needed without the use of additional cooling materials like Joe packs.
We then designed and installed the tray forming equipment needed to handle this new sustainable package, resulting in lower labor cost for this customer.
This is a great example of how we're combining our innovative packaging solutions with machinery to create a cost effective and efficient solution for our customers.
Another example of how we're helping our customers shift to sustainable packaging as our success in replacing plastic makeup pallets, let's say pre meal paper based Alex.
We've created a new high quality paper pallet with a visual structural technical characteristics that make at the ideal paper based package for the luxury beauty markets.
This design recently received the paper and packaging councils Gold Award.
Westrocks innovative solutions and paper based packaging position us well to partner with our customers to reduce the environmental impact of packaging and help them meet their ambitious calls to use more we cycle, we usable and compostable packaging.
Hi work turn referred to you know.
Thank you Steve.
On slide 10, we outline our key assumptions for fiscal second quarter and full year 2020 guidance.
We expect adjusted segment EBITDA in the fiscal second quarter to be between 680 in $710 million.
Sequentially, we expect modest seasonal volume increases across both segments. The January 2020, PPW linerboard and medium index reductions will have some impact on our domestic pricing in the quarter productivity improvements and lower sequential health care costs should more than offset higher sequential wage cost.
And the payroll tax reset that occurs at the beginning of each calendar year.
Our second quarter guidance includes an adjusted tax rate of approximately 27.5% compared to 24% in the first quarter due to the timing of discrete items, we still expect our fiscal 2020 adjusted tax rate to be approximately 24.5%.
And our full year cash tax rate forecast remains at 21%.
We are maintaining our full year guidance of $3.0 billion to $3.2 billion of adjusted segment EBITDA.
We expect to invest a total of $1.1 billion and capital expenditures during fiscal 2020 and should generate more than $1 billion, an adjusted free cash flow this year.
As we complete our strategic capital projects, we anticipate that we will return to a 900 million dollar to 1 billion dollar annual capex level in fiscal 2021.
Due to the seasonality of our cash flows with our strongest cash flows in our fiscal third and fourth quarters, we expect net leverage to peak in the fiscal second quarter before declining in the second half.
We remain focused on reducing debt and returning to our target leverage ratio of two and 2.25 to 2.5 times.
We settled our insurance claim related to hurricane Michaels impact to our Panama City mill in the quarter, we recovered $32 million $12 million of which was business interruption related and included in our EBITDA.
We have now closed out this claim with darn sure and have recovered $212 million.
I'll now turn it back over to Steve for some closing comments.
Thanks toward.
We're making substantial progress executing our differentiated strategy as we proactively respond to changing industry environment.
We have increasing opportunities in the market for value added paper and packaging solutions that help our customers grow their sales reduced their total cost in risk all while helping them achieve their sustainability goals.
We're looking to the future as we're investing in our business and in our people for the long term.
When building our systems and processes take advantage of the scale of our platform.
We are using digital technology to enhance our customer experience improve our operating efficiency and better engage our teammates.
We've moved past the peak period of investment into a period of capturing the benefits of our strategic projects growing organically driving productivity and generating free cash flow.
The combination of will create value for our customers stockholders and teammates for the long term.
That concludes my prepared remarks, James we're ready for Q and Uh Huh.
Thank you Steve as a reminder to your audience to give everybody a chance to ask a question. Please limit your question to one with a follow up is needed we'll get to as many as time allows operator can we have our first question. Please.
Your first question comes from line of Chip Dillon from first vertical research. Your line is open.
Hi, Thanks, very much said good morning, everyone. Thanks for all the details.
I don't know if you gave us a lot of detail on this but could you just tell us the process of the switch over at Florence sort of when the new machine you throw the switch and how much of a transition or how much of the magnitude of transition costs and operating disruption you expect and you kind of when do you think things you're going to be operating normally there.
Good morning Chip, it's Jeff So we expect in the quarter before the mid year that will be operating putting paper through the machine and the ramp up ramp up runs through.
The fiscal year. So we should leave September October .
At a run rates of the machine the capability of the machine lead in that fourth quarter.
And so the that's just not new startups, but your room, finishing up in this before mid year lot of the worries in all the machines in Oh piping wiring some of the finishing touches but is progressing well.
Jeff This award I'll remind you that I gave the.
Financial impact of the disruption to the mill both in Florence entries by House, when we gave our guidance on call last quarter for the full year and I estimated that would be there between 35 and $50 million and have wide 20.
Okay would presumably no change in a quick follow up I.
I know what the last I think indicate 10-K and this I believe was the first we had seen.
You talked about some put call arrangements tied to the Grupo Gondi investment and just any comments about how that joint ventures going and I mean strategically what would would we expect you to be more in.
We're likely to buy their position relative to the selling your position back to them.
Oh had the joint venture in place for several years, there are put and call rights I think the big.
Project they have going on is the paper machine in Monterrey, which is on a comparable schedule to the Juan to the Florence machine.
We like the we like our partnership.
Interest I think it's worked very well so.
For work so I think.
As it more likely for us to increase or decrease our interest say over time, it's more likely for us to increase our interest.
That's super helpful. Thanks, so much.
Next question comes from the line of George Staphos from B O F. A securities. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning, everybody. Thanks for all the details I wanted to work on the enterprise sales approach you see what progress you think you're having beyond the numbers that you discussed and in particular see kind of as the follow on a whether it's having the desired impact on consumer that you would like given that.
You mentioned in the commentary that you are striving for your 10% goal, which means it may or may not be achieved so first of all you provided numbers for the.
Quarter, I think you're at a 7.5 billion cumulative rate that grew about 3% from the for the fourth fiscal quarter. Jeff will you. Please with that performance in terms of the growth in revenues from the customers buying and million each from you and.
It seems like it's not really kind of my second question. It seems like it's not having quite the same effect on margin and consumer and would you agree or disagree and what do you need to do to strive and ultimately achieve that that goal and that's probably more for Pat. Thank you guys.
Hi, Good morning, George So, yes, I was pleased with the progress of the team I think we're well positioned what's the accounts that we have that have.
Either a million dollars in each segment already are the ones that don't quite have a million dollars in one segment and have over a million and the other.
The customers are finding value in the solution set we bring so being able to optimize primary source yours secondary tertiary package through the supply chain machines, a combo machines and beverage that do both.
Corrugated and folding well we've had some large wins on both segments.
I'll, let Pat talked about some of the consumer but I think as we put enterprise leads in each of our segments and divisions and our sales force really combined as teams with machine reps graphics reps.
Marketing reps, we have a full complement of teams in these customers were actually approaching it was one westrock. So the growth has been good and I think we have continued upside and all of the segments.
That would provide them, we see customers taking advantage from display consumer corrugated our machinery businesses and as we look to run well more than just beverage machinery and look at Courtney equipments.
I think we have more opportunity to grow across those top customers that have opportunities for over a million dollars. Each and then I'll, let Pat talked about the consumer that yeah. Great. Thanks. Thanks, Jeff. So let me talk a little bit about the margins that you asked about and we still expect to meet 18% EBITDA run rate in the coming years and I'll just Sarah.
A couple of key elements of that.
First of all we are margins have been negatively impacted in suppressed by some of the strategic outages that we've had and these are really important parts of our plan to get to 18% because.
We had to him we wanted to increase the productivity of those mills and we expect to get about $36 million of run rate by the end of fiscal year 2021, So they're very important part and while they impacted our near term results very important part of the margin improvement in connecting back to enterprise sales. This gets really to our innovation capability around play.
Caustic through Placemat, and we continue to see strong demand there.
In beverage foodservice as well as in food and Weve, So far delivered $115 million run rate. Since we started tracking this about 15 months ago and we're on track to deliver that $400 million and that we that we shared before and as Jeff said no. The enterprise sales is a really.
Important part to consumer on its innovation, we've had customers around plastics replacement.
Really asked for combined solutions between corrugated and consumer and we see that being a really part important part of a differentiator. So so with our with our productivity as well as our innovation capabilities everything that we're doing we do have confidence and certainly expect it to the 80%.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from line of Mark Wilde from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open.
Good morning, Steve Ward, everybody else I, Oh, I wanted to ask about to kind of global issues right now.
One is the impact of the Corona virus on your business I think this is probably more from that I know.
Yes has a lot of business and kind of premium goods to kind of stuff that moves through duty free shops. The other issue right now I'm wondering about is whether you're seeing any impact from this finish open papers strike. They export a lot of containerboard. They also export a lot of SBS.
Mark I can speak to China, just for perspective, we employ about 900.
People in China, our sales are between annual sales are between 100.
250 million.
And I. Thank you may notice, but the trying to governments extended as announced extending.
Chinese new year until February Soc, and Tom Shanghai's announced all companies want restart until February 10th.
We have.
Uh-huh plants and wishing to shine on that are in that same undrawn, one area and so they won't restart until February time.
And then we have a plant and Guangjo. They haven't released somewhere notice. So were planned go back to work there February threerd.
We're.
Supporting our employees, we've shipped mass there and I think we're just monarch drying and.
That situation pretty careful.
I don't have a comment on your second question I don't know.
And what kind of job, but sure we haven't seen anything as of this point in time work in our.
Export net no difference from our demand and backlogs and pull for export based on strike.
Alright, then Steve just back on the current about <unk>, so you're not picking up anything from any of your.
Customers right now about.
You know a slowing in demand or you know any thoughts in their production schedules because of potential flowing.
Oh, we haven't.
So far.
I'll turn it over.
Your next question comes from line of Brian Maguire from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning, guys.
Just a question Jeff I know you guys talked about the the box shipment growth being about 4%, including acquisitions I think in the past you kind of give us more of an organic never without capstone. If somebody other acquisitions. Just wondering if you could provide that and maybe within that just sort of comment on how.
Trends ended the quarter and sort of what you're seeing in January so far.
Good morning, Brian So does the capstone was the 4.5%. This was the last quarter well going for organic will be all inclusive.
We're up a point in the half.
In the aggregates.
For West rock organic and I start with the aggregate because at the end of the months in December .
Number 31st New years Eve day.
It was count it has nothing to be a day, but it was really we had 80% of over 80% of our plants down well in not shipping that matched what our customers were so the per day look flat, but on the aggregate we were up a point in a half leaving that organically for west Raw and then going forward. It will all be organic sales.
January is flat year over year.
Thats.
Right on top of basically what we expected for the month.
Hey, I think last quarter and in your guidance sort of assumed to be running maybe I think 200 basis points above the editor something in that ballpark is that still the target expectation that you'd kind of be running above industry growth rates.
Our plan is to continue the outgrown we said would grow 1% to 2% this year.
Growth above the industry.
Okay. That's it for me I'll turn it over thanks.
Your next question comes from the line of ANSI, Anthony Pettinari from Citi. Your line is open.
Good morning.
Just following up on Brian's question on demand you know with regards to the 10 dollar a ton cut that pulp and paper, we published it sounds like that didn't necessarily reflect what you were seeing with regard to kind of from demand is that fair to say and is there anything you kind of.
Expand on that a little.
Anthony sure. It was I was surprised honestly in the cut no we had seen some pressure in our Kraft paper.
More than our containerboard and we did see the no Kraft paper in some of the recycled so I was surprised that it wasn't recycled berson Virgin Kraft.
And there had been some looseness in medium, but our export volume our domestic volumes and box role.
Good in the quarter.
And our export pricing was flat quarter over quarter.
So we I was surprised by the move and PPW honestly.
Okay, and I'll add that Arnold.
In operating rates inventories are in good shape operating rates were good so I was surprised.
Okay. That's helpful color and then maybe a question for award sense, you issued the 2020 guidance I'll make a week is obviously publish this cut I'm just wondering.
Which offsets you know whether its productivity or lower costs that that's kind of offsetting that for you and what gives you confidence and sort of maintaining the guide.
Despite yet so.
Our original guidance included assumptions on pricing volumes on boss and we provided a range because we thought there could be a range of outcomes on each one of those individual assumptions.
And based on what we see today I crossed.
Our synergy attainment are.
You know the our ability to capture volume and commodity costs, we're still comfortable.
Turning the full year range. So it's it's a it's a combination of all the factors.
Okay. That's helpful I'll turn it over.
Next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub from Seaport. Your line is open.
Thank you.
Total that perhaps ward.
Is there any additional potential price erosion embedded in the range is now or.
It is that cushion on out now somewhat gone and then just as a.
And then.
Last year I know, there's a lot of skepticism when you laid out the EBITDA and you people looked at the first half and said what how can you, possibly get there in second and you basically did <unk> how much of the improvement.
That we that you're expecting this year is sort of seasonality versus.
The projects et cetera that you have underway that are going I really deliver in the second versus the first half.
So I can give you a clear answer to your first question, which is I can't comment to you on forward pricing we've taken on on any individual assumption, we're comfortable with the overall range that includes price volume and cost and productivity in relationship to the first half in the second half I told you.
Last year I think our profile was approximately 45% in the first half from 55% of our EBITDA was in the second half when we gave guidance for this full year, we said the same thing and.
Whether it's 44% and 46 that profile remains the same and.
It does reflect both.
Seasonal volume increases that we have in the second half acceleration of synergies and productivity. The elimination of most most of our downtime as in the first half of the year to reflection of all those that drive the first half the second half profile.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Mark coming from Stephens, Inc. Your line is open.
Hey, Good morning. This is John rider on for Mark.
Our first question is can you just give us an update about how you're thinking about backlogs and consumer in aggregate they've fallen fairly steadily.
A lot of investors have been asking us whether that means we may be running higher risks that negative growth is coming back and if you could just help us understand what you're seeing in your order flow in each of the substrates.
Yeah. Thanks for the question. This is Pat and I think when you look at the backlog. There's a couple of different factors, but I think the primary one really is at the independent folding carton converters had been de stocking over the last I would say four to six months and this is data that's available from the paperboard packaging Council, which is shown.
And.
The drawdown of inventories that those converters and and and this is we don't think it's the the end market demand so much but through a number that supply issue is across the RBC NK and SBS in the industry.
In 2018 in 2019, you saw probably some inventory build which has now getting corrected and so we think that's the biggest issue is really just a destocking and as far as going forward, it's a little bit early to tell in the year, but we're cautiously optimistic based on what we're seeing that some of that destocking will be passed us in that we'll see a in a slightly inc.
Increased volumes in the second quarter net increasing throughout the year.
Okay. That's really helpful. A and then just our final one so we're seeing published.
See prices that exceptionally low levels I'm just curious are your actual.
Costs.
Relative to the past as the published figures are.
If you look at our earnings bridge you can see the.
Cost deflation that we have a large driver of that has been the decline in RCC, so our own assisi cost.
And recycled fiber costs do match the indices and.
What we embedded in our full year guidance. When we gave it at the beginning of year was a $15 per ton year over year reduction on the average.
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.
Your next question comes from line of gave hate from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Good morning, everyone.
We're going to try to focusing on the consumer segment for a moment.
I was curious if you guys have seen this type of Destocking behavior before is it more pronounced in any particular grade and if you have observed in the past how long do that persist and what was the driving force behind the customers' behavior. If you comment at all to that.
Yeah I don't have any this is pat thanks for the question I don't really have any comparison directly.
Head to head at the passed on you know I think this is as we work in the market and we understand Evan.
Try to understand what's going on we think this is probably a more of a temporary event then no long term one in this current situation and they said before we're cautiously optimistic that our demand will increase as we grow at the got throughout the year and of course work through our strategic outages now and so our ability to supply that and capture that volume is a is there.
In our backlog during a good healthy position. So we're really looking forward and and ready to capture that that recovery a as happened.
Okay. Thank you and more I'm curious if you the if I remember correctly the working capital build was up to 250 million for this year given sort of the I guess to press input cost environment and then the price cut here in January might that be a little less or.
Is that still the target.
Thank you for pointing that out I remember the in the free cash flow guidance, you're right is we walk through the free cash flow guidance. There was a working capital build of over $200 million and I said half of it was timing related.
Because of the strong collections and the timing of payables that we had in fiscal 2000.
19, and then half of it was working temporary working capital build that was associated with the outages. The major outages in the ramp up of both trace Boston and.
The Florence paper machine. So as we go through the year, we're going to continue to focus on reducing.
That working capital build and as we exit the year will will be.
That temporary build behind us so.
We have confidence that we're going to be able to exceed 1 billion dollar free cash flow time target and one of the elements for US is the continued focus on working capital reductions.
Great. Thank you.
Your next question comes from line of Debbie Jones from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning, Thanks for taking my question.
And I wanted to ask if we sit here today kind of look at your your corrugated footprint and all the things that you've done and the opens you up your customers would you expect.
That you will outpace industry growth over the next 12 to 18 months.
Hi, Debbie no. Our plan is certainly to do that.
We have invested significantly in the footprint we've consolidated.
We built a robust performance excellence platform machinery business and an enterprise businesses supports growth and it's supported in the last quarter's above the market. So my expectation for our business is to continue down that path.
Do you think you may be kind of in the same level that you've already been.
Shifting to market.
It's hard to tell I mean, we set our our goals of what we expect it's hard to say what it will be above the market without knowing exactly what's going to happen to the markets.
Okay and in cases asked for a quick update on a uncouple Gandhi.
And just kind of your position in relationship down there.
In Mexico.
I'm sure David we own.
32%.
And.
Burgundy management team manages a and so we have couple of seats on the board.
Jim Porter, and others with our company or a highly.
Involved with them on their capital projects.
And we work with our customers that have.
Packaging needs in Mexico, we coordinate that.
Closely with Grupo gondi into fixed on for customers.
Want to have us.
Support that.
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Your next question comes from the line of Steve Chercover from Davidson. Your line is open.
Thanks, and good morning, everyone.
Could you please discuss the strategy to raise your integration from 70, 890% is it a blend of organic and acquisition and if the prices for box plants or maybe particularly.
Folding carton operations.
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Hey, Steve it's Jeff So the strategy for US is to grow organically as you pointed out and we stated we believe we can continue to grow at about 2% of your we'll be.
Opportunistic if we see bolt on acquisitions in the future that makes sense for us.
At a full run rate if you take Charleston, and no economic downtime, that's about 300 basis points that would add some.
Integration and so we look to grow organically be opportunistic.
In acquisitions and bolt ons.
I'm.
Not clear on the question on the consumer or though the box pricing but.
If you look at our channels. We've said this that the most profitable channel is running our businesses and integrated through our box plants and so the integration continues we'll continue to aid.
Our margins.
Anthony Thanks, maybe I'll comment a little but on the consumer integration elements that you you touched on in.
Just the way we look at this is in SBS, we have about 40% of our volume that is serve some specialty markets such as tobacco commercial print and liquid packaging and and in those situations were really specified down to the young user and.
So the product on through a converter. So we really consider those a significant amount of volume integrated and we'll continue to operate without business model and I think when you look at the folding carton piece, there's a difference in our substrates in terms of the integration level today, we're about.
70% integrated with TNK, CRB that 60, and SBS that goes through folding cartons roughly 20.
We certainly see opportunities any increase that integration and we'll look at those in terms, where it makes sense in in the valuation of those opportunities inorganically, but really what we're trying to do is it grow organically through the plastics replacement opportunities that we haven't and selling across the enterprise as we discussed earlier. So we see organic growth is that is a main.
To get there, but at the same time, we will we will continue to look for opportunities and I also want to close that was saying that it's very importantly, we continue to strategically supplier independent folding carton customers because they sometimes give us access to markets. For example, regional markets that we will not have to our larger folding carton operation. So really all of that a strategic to us.
Yeah. The my out thank you for expanding on that Mike My question on the consumer side was really my impression that it is.
Maybe.
10 years behind where the integration levels are on corrugated and so thats really where there's big opportunity, but it's also.
Probably more impacted by the war on plastics I thought the valuations might be getting skewed a bit.
Thank you yeah, okay. Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of added Josephson from Keybanc. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning, guys actually my Gobank filling in for Adam One question just on export markets can you talk about if you've seen much change in any particular reason region.
Good morning, Michael the quarter, we saw really stability across the globe.
That smaller markets, China Asia Europe .
Latin America were good pro two seasons in Europe , and Latin American so the export markets were.
Steady and like I said earlier, there the pricing was flat quarter over quarter, so stability across our all of our export markets.
Okay. Thanks, and then just one box pricing can you talk at all about any trends you're seeing either towards the end of last year or early this year. Thanks.
So we talked about the flow through from a PPW movement.
And so we've seen that on our business that moves down like it moves open.
We've commented on some of that I've commented on what I saw in the market in the quarter.
Based on recycled liner we saw some of the.
Medium, but more in Kraft paper for our business. So.
To that extent, that's all common.
Okay. Thank you.
Again, it's just a question please press star and the number one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from line of Paul Quinn from RBC Capital. Your line is open yeah. Thanks, very much hammering guys. Just question on a consumer packaging you guys have highlighted the increased demand for sustainable packaging Im just wondering.
How big it component of that is.
Is your to get your medium term target of 18% EBITDA margin.
And when is that target expected to happen.
Yeah. Thanks, Paul This is Pat and so as you as you mentioned classics replacement I would say overall sustainable packaging is a very important part of our growth going forward.
We right now delivered $115 million run rate in applications that are that are in that space and we expect over the next few years to get to that 400 million dollar run rate. So it's a it's an important part of what we're trying to do to grow this business organically and and we're confident that more and more opportunities or are coming in for example, Chuck.
No just ban to use a single use plastics.
Here recently, and there are other taxes or charges or surcharges associated with single use plastics and so we're engaging deeply with our customers. We've got great opportunities and we think it will be important part of our effort to get to our improved.
18% margin that we mentioned earlier.
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