Q4 2019 Earnings Call
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Two Hunter Wells, Vice President of Investor Relations for century communities. Thank you you may begin.
Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today first century communities fourth quarter fiscal year 2019 earnings conference call before the call begins I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made in the course of this call are not based on historical information and May constitute forward looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations.
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Hosting the call today, our Dalfen Soskin, Chairman and co Chief Executive.
Her Rockford Soskin co Chief Executive Officer, and Dave Messenger, Chief Financial Officer, Deller review, our operating highlights and business. It's Rob will then discuss our business and markets in further detail afterwards, Dave will follow up with further information on our financial results balance sheet and 2020 outlet.
Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the lineup for questions with that I will turn the call over a deal.
Thanks Hunter, we're very pleased with our strong finish to 2019, which resulted in record performance for the fourth quarter unfold here as we continue to generate opportunities and efficiencies.
Due to our scale geographic scope and market positioning.
In 2019, we achieved our 17th consecutive year of profitability.
I was significant year over year improvement in virtually all metrics, including revenue deliveries sales net income and shareholders.
Equity.
Last year also represents our fifth anniversary, becoming a public company.
Over this relatively short period, we transformed ourselves from a small regional homebuilder.
Operating in three states delivering less than a thousand homes to one of the 10 largest homebuilders in the country.
Delivering 8000 homes in 17 states from coast to coast for 2.5 billion of revenue.
Over this time, we've been almost exclusively focused on growth and select market expansion, primarily through the acquisition of other homebuilders.
In order to create a stable and.
Scalable platform to support future growth.
We deployed significant financial and human resources towards the integration and assimilation of these formally independent businesses as well as developing the people processes procedures systems and reporting.
Acquired to properly managing Andrew.
Price of this size.
As we look to the future with these actions successfully accomplished.
We're very pleased with the state of our business today and excited about our prospects for the future.
In fact, we believed that our achievements over the next five years will meaningfully surpass our substantial would call.
Bush much of the past given the significant strides we've already made in strengthening our business.
Improving or competitive positioning.
Our efforts going forward, we'll continue to be on driving growth.
Primary emphasis on organic top line revenue expansion through.
Leasing our depth within each market.
However, we are equally focused on further executing on a variety of strategic initiatives designed to improve our financial and operational results and help achieve the true value that we believe our business deserves.
For example.
We've made significant progress over the last year in streamlining and value engineering, our plan library.
Along with incorporating the increased use of panelization trusses and pre cut framing paxar across our platform.
We have also centralize various aspects of our purchasing efforts.
An increase both the number of and benefit from national and regional purchasing contracts and rebate agreements.
Our enhanced internal systems have given us the tools to compare track and monitor all aspects of our business at a very detailed level, which visibility we are.
Using the drive improvements throughout the company.
We began to realize direct cost savings variance reductions shortening of cycle times and other benefits from these strategic initiatives towards the end of last year, which we expect to accelerate as we move further into 2020 and beyond.
Last year, we completed the final stages integration for the Wade Jurney homes acquisition.
Wade Jurney homes has proven to be a great investment in a valuable proper product line.
Enabling us to capture additional share of the affordable home segment.
Earlier today, we announced the rebranding of.
Wade jurney homes to century complete to align with our overall Brad.
Better showcase its value proposition to potential buyers and maximize the potential of this truly differentiated product.
We will now only offer homes under the century communities or century complete.
Since.
The newly christened century complete well operate the same as it did as Wade jurney, providing comparable offerings targeted at affordable price points and retaining its land like no options spec strategy.
The purpose of instituting the.
David branding is to clearly messages as one company.
And better position us to demonstrate the value of our century complete homes.
We remain committed to offering the lowest price new home opportunity in a market consistent with our more home less money marketing message.
We continue to make substantial progress in lowering the average selling price of our homes.
The eight espeed of homes delivered in 2019 dropped to $310200 down from $346000. The prior year.
And while we have seen more and more.
Our builder shift their focus lately to entry level price points, we were a first mover in making this transition.
And deliver some of the lowest most competitive home pricing across the country.
While this segment is often referred to as entry level. It's important to note that there are many factors.
Or is it play driving this demand today.
And we're seeing it across multiple demographic groups from from millennials seeking their first home to baby boomers looking to downsize.
Across the nation, there was a short a shortage of affordable housing.
And the resale market.
It continues to be Undersupplied.
According to a recent research report the average U.S. family cannot afford to buy a home in over 70% of the country.
In December the FHLB, once again announced expanded loan limits, increasing the number of households, which.
Qualify for FHLB loans.
The vast majority of homes in the century portfolio or eligible for FHLB financing further demonstrating how well positioned century is to capture increased market share of the affordable homes segment.
In fact with an average.
Yes, P and the fourth quarter for our century complete line of $155000, a homebuilder homebuyer needs less than $30000 in annual income to qualify for an FHLB loan with a monthly payment of less than $790.
In principle interest and mortgage insurance.
Truly making a home purchase less expensive than renting.
We believe we're successful execution, we will continue to strengthen our business.
Propel our growth trajectory.
Create further improvements in return on equity.
The leverage.
We are operating in a demand environment of tremendous potential supported by strong economies across our markets and healthy housing fundamentals.
We're focused on expanding our century complete geographic footprint.
As well as widening and deepening our penetration of.
Our existing markets.
And while we're already one of America's most affordable homebuilders.
We believe we have an outsized opportunity to capture additional market share.
We're excited to take advantage of the opportunities ahead of us as we capitalize on our national platform.
Competitive.
Positioning and increased scale to deliver accelerated top line growth.
Improved operational performance.
Expanded profitability.
And in turn deliver outsize returns to our shareholders.
Now I'll turn it over to Rob to discuss our markets in greater.
Rob.
Thanks, Dale and good afternoon, everyone.
As Dayl mentioned, we generated strong performance across the board in the fourth quarter, including year over year improvements of 45% and net new contracts and 22% in closings.
The strong sales momentum.
That we experienced in the fourth quarter has continued into 2020 with record January net new contracts up 67% compared to the prior year.
Given that January 2019 sales were depressed due to market conditions existed at that point, we're not projecting the same.
Rate of year over year improvement for subsequent months.
However, since our robust January sales results were consistent across our business in regions. We're extremely positive about the current homebuilding environment and our prospects for the balance of the year.
With that perspective, I'll provide a brief.
If overview of our recent performance and demand trends across each of our regions.
In the fourth quarter, Texas achieved 64% increase in net new home contracts and a 41% increase in home deliveries.
We successfully lowered the ASP of.
Homes by 8% and achieved a 30% increase in home sales revenues.
In 2019.
Austin was named America's fastest growing large city, driven by population and job growth, while San Antonio is on track to become the nation six largest city by 2021.
Over the next decade, Houston is projected to have the second highest number of new residents for any metro area with the addition of nearly 1.2 million people an increase of approximately 17%.
We are confident these positive trends will continue to strengthen the market in 2000.
Morning.
And believe Texas has an impressive example of a high growth opportunity, where we have significant potential to capture increase share given our product positioning.
In our mountain region, we saw significant growth with net new contracts up 35% year.
Over year, reflecting an accelerated pace of activity across the region.
Las Vegas continues to impress us as one of our most vibrant markets.
We believe we have significant opportunity to take price increases and market share within this high growth land constrained metro environment.
Colorado market is healthy unstable and we continued to benefit from our strong market share position.
In Utah, we're seeing heightened demand due to increased and migration and organic population growth coupled with a tight resale market.
We believe the mountain region will contain.
To be an exciting opportunity for growth supported by our nearly 13000 owned and controlled lots in this region.
Turning to the West we're pleased to report we saw positive turnaround in this region as market conditions stabilize.
In fact, the west outperformed all other.
Wins during the fourth quarter in terms of net new home contracts up 78% compared to the prior year.
We delivered 346 homes in the fourth quarter up 73% year over year.
We are seeing positive momentum and expect demand in the west region across.
The forney in Washington to continuing to build in 2020.
We also saw solid performance in the southeast with net new home contracts up 58% with a 9% increase in home deliveries to 556 homes.
We are confident in the potential prospects.
For growth across the southeast supported by thriving local economies.
Charlotte was the fifth fastest growing city in 2019 for population expansion and is now the 16th largest city in the country.
In Atlanta.
Unemployment remains low.
As job growth continues to increase through December.
The Nashville market remains strong as home sales rise and homebuyers benefit from low interest rates.
Wade jurney homes or century complete as we have now rebranded it continued to deliver.
Our solid performance with net new home contracts up 27% for the fourth quarter compared to the 2018 results.
Home deliveries increased 26% to 803 homes from 637 homes in the fourth quarter of the prior year.
These results are particularly impressive given all the internal efforts that were focused on successfully completing them move and integration process.
During the year, we began operations in four new States, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio.
And we've already begun to capture share in these new markets with 2019 deliveries in each.
Looking ahead, we believe additional efficiencies will be generated a century complete is brought to scale.
Internally, we have segmented century complete into.
Areas local geographic areas that we referred to as regions.
Given the centralized nature of various aspects of the business at an operating consisting of standardized and value engineered plans built across the platform geographic expansion within a region can be accomplished with.
Reduce startup costs.
When scaled our region would approximate a large century division with annual closings exceeding a 1000 homes.
To support our expected growth we're focused on further increasing the land supply beyond the current 8000 century.
Lots.
Our land underwriting standards for century complete our substantially similar to those used in the balance of the business, except that we expect increased our allies. Since we typically only purchase finished lots best returns are not impacted by the time.
It would otherwise take to improve the lots.
We ended the year with increased total lot inventory across the portfolio 38942 lots up from 37919 lots the prior year.
And improved our percentage of.
Rolled lots to 52% compared to the 45% that existed at the end of 2018.
We have successfully grown century to become a top 10 national homebuilder, expanding our footprint into some of the nation's most robust and desirable markets.
We are operating in metro areas, which are experiencing job growth population expansion and flourishing economies.
As we've grown the business, we've applied our extensive local knowledge to deepen our presence and capture increased share in both new and established markets.
Today.
We're well positioned with a solid pipeline of new communities and ample lot positions, which will enable us to fuel future demand.
Looking ahead, we remain encouraged by the current homebuilding environment as we execute on our strategic initiatives to drive increased performance.
Across each of our regions.
I will now turn the call over to Dave who will provide greater detail on our financial results and outlook.
Thanks, Rob.
During the fourth quarter 2019, our net income increased more than 100% to a record 53.4 million or $1.60.
Three cents per diluted share.
Home sales revenues for the fourth quarter were a record 775.7 million, an increase of 21% compared to 640.2 million in the prior year quarter.
This improvement in revenues was mainly driven by a 22% increase in home.
Trees to a record 2479, as we saw a home deliveries increase across all our regions.
The average selling price of homes delivered for the fourth quarter 2019 decreased to 312900 compared to 315700 and the prior year quarter, which.
As consistent with our plan to capture an increasing share of homebuyers at entry level price points.
Adjusted homebuilding gross margin percentage increased 60 basis points to 21% compared to 20.4% in the prior year quarter and up from 20.6% sequentially from the third quarter of this.
Sure.
Homebuilding gross margin for the fourth quarter increased to 18.2% compared to 16.5% in the prior year quarter, and 18.1% and the third quarter.
Given the increased demand that we experienced in our markets, we were able to drive an outsize backlog conversion rate.
And still increase our gross margin both year over year and sequentially.
Additionally, we recorded impairments of approximately $2 million on a handful of communities across our portfolio.
At year end, our backlog of 2070 homes has a gross margin profile thats consistent with our fourth quarter.
Deliveries and we expect to deliver these homes in the next couple of quarters.
Consistent with our year long plans, we made solid progress in improving our SGN a leverage in the fourth quarter.
As soon as a percent of homebuilding revenues improved to 10.9% in the fourth quarter compared to a.
11.4% and the prior year and 12.7% in the third quarter.
With our fourth quarter, SGN, 8% of 10.9% and our 2019 full year SGN a percent of 12.2.
Looking ahead, we expect to benefit from additional efficiencies and expenditure.
Functions due to our increased scale and the completed integration of all prior acquisitions.
Our fourth quarter results were adversely impacted by a total of approximately 9.5 million of onetime items, consisting primarily of the previously mentioned 2 million dollar inventory impairment.
Two point.
$8 million intangible asset write off of the Wade Jurney homes name wanted to half million dollars related to various one time insurance settlements and $3 million related to 45, L. consulting fees due to the reinstatement of energy efficient home tax credits.
In the fourth quarter 2019, our financial.
Service business, consisting of title insurance, our mortgage generated 14.5 million in revenues up 39% year over year.
The business contributed 4.7 million in pre tax income compared to 3.3 million in the prior year quarter at 42% increase and reflecting a stable margin a.
Lead 32%.
Now turning to our balance sheet liquidity.
As of December 30, Onest 2019, our stockholders equity expanded to a record $1.1 billion.
During the quarter, we successfully extended the maturity of our line of credit the April 2023.
And put in place a 110 million dollar accordion.
We reduced our total long term homebuilding debt to $965.4 million and increase our total liquidity to 662 million consisting of 90.7 million in cash and $571.3 million of capacity.
On our unsecured revolver, excluding additional availability under the accordion.
In the fourth quarter, we dramatically improved our net homebuilding.
That does that capital ratio to 45.2%, a 680 basis point improvement since the beginning of year and an 860 basis.
Points sequential improvement.
We have previously stated our commitment to reduce our homebuilding leverage below 50% and on our third quarter call indicated that might not occur until 2020 due to anticipated land transactions prior to year end.
Due to typical transaction delays certain land closing slated for Q4.
Occurred in Q1.
On a pro forma basis had the land transactions occurred in Q4 as originally planned the impact would have been minimal and our net debt to capital ratio would still have been less than 46.5%.
During the quarter as we previously announced we Opportunistically.
Equally issued approximately $50 million through our ATM program as a result of a reverse inquiry to accelerate our deleveraging efforts.
Over the past couple of years, we've been able to effectively utilize the ATM program to fund external M&A organic growth and de lever.
As we look forward to growing.
Our business will be primarily focused on organic growth with a goal is strengthening our balance sheet, improving leverage and increasing our way accordingly, we expect to rely less on the ATM as a source of funding for these initiatives.
In the fourth quarter, our tax rate was 1.1% compared to 27.
7.4% in the same quarter the prior year due to the recent extension by Congress of energy efficient home credits.
We're extremely pleased with our fourth quarter and full year 2019 results as both Dale and Rob have discussed our markets are healthy and have strong outlooks for 2020.
Accordingly.
With our positive momentum and the current demand environment, we are introducing our 2020 guidance of deliveries to be in the range of 8000, 509500 homes and home sales revenues to be in the range of $2.6 billion to $3 billion.
We expect our quarterly trends to be consistent with prior years.
With our first quarter generating the lowest number of closings and the fourth quarter. The most.
With that I'll open the line for questions operator.
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One moment, please while we pull for questions.
Our first question is from.
Michael Real Hot.
JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, good morning, everyone and congrats on the results I'm sorry, good afternoon.
Probably front thanks.
First question I had was.
It's kind of focused in around.
Yes.
The growth.
Outlined or expectations for a first for fiscal 2020, a in terms of the closings growth and the revenue growth, but in particular the closings.
You know historically have always kind of thought of.
The core business and as.
Talk to you guys over the years.
The goal has been maybe to kind of grow the core around 10% and then whatever acquisitions add on top of that.
I would be an additional amount.
Yes, maybe you could kind of walk through what the you know what the closings guidance up.
Roughly 5% to 20% so little bit higher at the midpoint.
What's driving that slightly more robust growth outlook.
If there are certain markets that you're kind of looking at more aggressively if its century complete if that you continue to expect that to.
And above kind of demonstrated an above trend growth line.
And any thoughts there would be helpful.
You don't like in the still I think part of it is we look at how the the demand has started so quickly this year.
And we look at where our markets are positioned and how they're performing.
Yes look forward for the entirety of the year, we think that we're going to end up somewhere within that range.
In terms of of particular markets.
They are really across the board in terms of how they're performing and.
So as we sit here today, we're we're really positive about homebuilding in general and our prospects in particular.
You know just a follow up on that before I ask a second if it's possible.
You know given that the revenue growth be pretty similar.
In terms of the low and high end.
To the closings growth is it is it fair to assume that that the century complete business would grow at a similar rate.
To the.
Legacy century business.
Obviously, you guys have had a decent mix shift on average closing.
These price over the last couple of years.
Well as we as we look at it it's hard to two project exactly how the mix is going to come out, but as we look at it we would anticipate that on the century complete side that we would get a higher growth rate that on the century community brand product.
Okay.
Yes that would that last said I mean, we're really seeing strength at all price points and as I say virtually all markets.
Right no. Thank you for that Dale.
I guess, just lastly, maybe a clarification on the gross margin side.
Yes, David.
If you mentioned that.
If I heard you right that the backlog gross margin was consistent with the fourth quarter you'd expect that to persist over the next couple of quarters in terms of your results.
Is that you know a comment on pre interest in and EMD inventory impairments and.
And how should we think about interest amortization for the upcoming year.
Handling that second part first I'd say you know if you're looking at your interest amortization running through cost of goods sold.
Good numbers, probably about 2.5%, especially given that we brought our leverage down you should see to 9% be relatively flat throughout the.
The balance of the year.
And then in terms, what I was making theres a margin commenting on a GAAP basis, we're seeing about an 18.2% right now.
And our backlog.
Adjusted for the fourth quarter was 21 and those numbers are pretty consistent with where we look at our backlog as a 12 31 would expect as those homes come through the.
Pipeline in Q1 Q2 of next year, we ought to be seeing similar margins.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Our next question from Thomas Mcguire Zelman and Associates. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, everyone. Congrats on a great quarter, all the way around.
Good afternoon.
On the on the overhead piece of the business.
It was really nice very exciting are there to see leverage start to come through in full force and I know just just thinking back there some integration issues and different things that have prevented that before.
That you touched on the print paired remarks in and you alluded to it a little bit but.
Can you just.
Talk about where all that is right now and then as we think about moving forward is there any outsized cost increases their items to be aware of moving into 2020 that would drive kind of the cost base meaningfully higher or is it is at full speed ahead on continuing to show improvement in the new year with with overhead leverage.
So in terms.
Of the integration I mean, it's a 100% behind US we have we have no more integration.
To do or cost to incur for any of the of the acquisitions that we've done and then as we look forward into 2020, we really don't see any outside costs that are going to come.
And.
That we havent already incurred and we really believe we can continue to create efficiencies.
And work those costs down as we as we get into 2020 in particularly in the back half of the year.
One thing I would add with that you know now that 2019 come and gone we have all our prior acquisitions integrated.
2019 was our lowest SGN a percentage on an annual basis in the last four years.
Looking at 2020 in his del city, and we've got an opportunity really to drive scale and drive efficiencies out of this.
I would expect to see our SGN a into 2020 be mid to high 11% range.
Got it.
That makes sense.
And then just.
Similar to shine results on a gross margin side, but can you just talk about the moving pieces that drove that higher in the quarter and kind of the higher rate into 2020. It is there anything that you a caution on mix that's impacting that at all that were also eventually or is it just more gradual.
And then in a better selling environment and then some of the dynamics that you talked about on scale and maybe splitting those two out if you can just ballpark in and thinking about what's driving more than less.
No there's really no no mix that was unusual.
It really is a function of we're starting to see benefits.
So our direct costs from some of the strategic initiatives that we.
Started last year and that will continue to expand into 2020.
You know that coupled with the fact that as we as we look at the markets as I as I said earlier I mean, they are all performing very well and so.
So we had.
Mostly Q4 had more incentives.
And some of those sales than in the sales that were accomplishing today, but as we go forward, we really don't see anything that will hold our gross margin back from being where it currently is.
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Thanks, guys.
Our next question from Alex Barron Housing Research Center. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, Thank you great job on the quarter in the year gentlemen.
Thanks, Alex.
I had a question about the I guess that transition from wage.
Turning to century complete.
Is there anything changing fundamentally besides the name.
No. It's it's the same business.
The same business approach, it's strictly a name change to better align it with.
The entirety of the century business. So we just.
Felt it made it made sense to make that change.
So you guys are still going to be building specs entry level really affordable prices selling from shopping centers et cetera.
It absolutely it's the same business models all the site.
Okay, and I know you guys.
Launched into several markets over the last 12 months.
They're a plan to continue to expand into new markets at this point or just to kind of gain greater depth in the existing markets.
So first and foremost Alex we want to great gain greater depth in our existing markets.
With that said.
Ed.
Being in the multiple markets that we are we really think that theres, a tremendous opportunity to do that.
Secondly, though there are some strategic markets that we're looking at there just in their infancy, and the nice thing, especially on the century complete side.
To expand into that area.
The way were structured it's a very cost effective way to get started so it's not a typical.
Startup that you would have on a homebuilder scenario with our plans with our people with our centralization. It just makes it much more efficient and less expensive to do that so we like that.
Spec, but first and foremost we want to continue to gain share within our existing markets.
Just a follow up with that Alex for for clarity. We are the geographic expansion that we're targeting is is only in the century complete brand.
Correct.
Now what is the kind of current situation for that type of product in terms of land.
There are.
Opportunities to buy finished deals or do you guys have to engage in land development at this time.
We're still buying finished lots.
Our percent finished lots were.
Bill finding good opportunities to do that.
With that said, though there are some time situations, where it outside developer will put the lots on the ground for us, but we're still from our standpoint in our balance sheet.
Land light approach, we are only purchasing finished lots.
Okay, great well best of.
Reluctance and thanks, Thanks, I'll take out.
Our next question is from Jay Mccanless.
Breast. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good afternoon, thanks for taking my questions.
Thanks for the first question I had so Wade jurney of.
2000.
In closing it was roughly 35% of the closings.
You all expected to be in that range or a little bit higher in 2020.
I would think that you're probably going to see that increase.
By some factor in 2020, as we said you got an opportunity.
To grow that business, a little bit quicker than we do audits century business and so while we're expecting growth out of all of our markets.
That percentage being 35% could increase over the course of 2020.
And then just day, which we used for tax rate this year.
About 20.
4% now be inclusive of energy tax credits.
And then I have I apologize for Miss this but if you all talked about what your plans are for community count growth outside of century complete.
No you Didnt Miss that we had discussed it but as we have.
The docket opening and closing a variety of communities throughout the course of 2020. We're currently we're forecasting community count growth to be somewhere between five and 10% to end the year at.
And any geographic focus on the community growth.
Now as a broad based.
Than the last one I had just to.
Congrats on the 67% number for January.
I was wondering if you could give us what the monthly comps were for for February 19. In March 19, just so we can think about what the right for gross number should be for.
20.
No we haven't disclosed any any.
Monthly data other than just typically we provide some color on the month following a quarter up to our call. So.
Unfortunate we're not we're not going to be prop, providing then it for right now.
Thank you.
Numbers per se.
Thanks Jay.
Our next.
Questions from Alex Rygiel B. Riley FBR. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, Good evening. This is actually men for Alex It's a couple of questions wanted to talk a little bit about your financial services business. If you could talk about kind of if it's being offered across all of your regions now and just.
Talk a little bit about that capture rate, which expected to kind of get to potentially in 2020.
This is Dave I'd say that from a.
Capture a perspective essentially business has a higher cash rate then does our Wade jurney business are essentially complete business now.
As that was really being worked into the system.
Our sales process during the course of 2019, and we expect 2020 to have a bit more of a breakout year as we should be a be able to capture throughout the course of the second and third quarter more of that sentry complete business more of that homebuyer, which we have traditionally not done.
Net division of our business.
Okay.
Are you expecting to add anything you know could you add anything else to this financial services business, maybe insurance or anything like that to expand your sales opportunity just kind of focused on what you're offering now.
Currently we do offer mortgage title insurance services, the insurance services with.
In 2019 currently a very small.
Running at a very small loss for the balance of 2019, and we expect as people begin renewing homeowners insurance that we've offered to provided to them as they start to renew that in 2020.
Because a little bit of a larger portion of that business over the next several years.
But given that you're dealing on premiums off of homes.
Being being sold eight I don't ever expected to be a truly material part of that business.
Okay, and then just with the homebuilding orders just across the board being very strong.
At the.
You know ended the year and going into 2020 can you talk a little bit about kind of inflationary cost that youre seeing I mean, do you think labor can be in barrier to growth in 2020.
We're really not seen a lot of direct cost inflationary pressures when we look at the materials side.
Certainly there can be ebbs and flows depending on that particular line item, but generally speaking, we're just not seeing that like we did several years ago. So that seems to have corrected itself.
In terms of labor.
Theres always been a shortage of labor as we've come out of the recovery in as.
It has ramped up and as.
Companies continue to to build both on a for sale in for rent side.
There is enough labor however, with that said by being the size, we are weve able been able to garner enough within our markets. So that it keeps our cycle times, where we want them at.
All of that so it hasn't been an impediment to us, but there isn't robust labor in the market.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thanks.
We'll now turn the line back over to deal for some brief closing remarks.
Thank you operator, as we look ahead to 2020.
And beyond we're excited for the opportunities ahead and are confident in our ability to execute our strategic initiatives delivered continued results.
I'd like to thank our employees for their hard work dedication.
We wouldn't be where we are today without your passion.
For success, we'd also like to thank our value.
Shareholders for their continued support.
And thank all of you for joining us on todays call. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.
This concludes today's conference you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.