Q4 2019 Earnings Call

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Today's conference is being recorded at the site for opinion wipes and introduction I would like to sustain the conference, which they did the says Oh gosh corporate services. Please go ahead David.

Thank you Andy and good morning, everyone.

You're welcome you to them why our group conference call to discuss the company's fourth quarter and for your results for 29 team, which reported yesterday.

Joining us on the call today are which warts, President and Chief Executive Officer, Betty Johnson, Senior Vice President Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

Cooper Senior Vice President and Chief operating officer them, where groups transmission and distribution segment.

Jeff want to Kinda senior Vice President and Chief operating officer of them, where with groups commercial and industrial segments.

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Before we begin I want to remind you that this discussion may contain forward looking statements.

Any such statements are based upon information available to admire groups management's hasn't the state and M. wire group assumes no obligation to update any such forward looking statements. These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward looking statements.

Accordingly, these statements are no guarantee or future performance.

These risks and uncertainties are discussed in the company's annual report on form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2019, and in yesterday's press release.

Certain non-GAAP financial information will be discussed on the call today, a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures is set forth in yesterday's press release with that said, let me turn the call over to Rick Swartz.

Thanks, David Good morning, everyone welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2019 conference call discuss financial and operational results.

I'll begin by providing a brief summary of the fourth quarter and full year results and then turn the call over to Betty Johnson, Our Chief Financial Officer for more detailed financial review.

Following Betty's discussion Todd Coupland Draft, Monica, Chief operating officer score TMT and see nice segment.

We'll provide an industry outlook in disguise and discuss some of them where groups opportunities going forward I.

I will then conclude with some closing remarks and open the call up for your question.

We finished 2019 with strong financial performance in the fourth quarter and full year revenues of $2.07 billion setting a record high for the fifth consecutive year.

Our record backlog of $1.5 billion at the end of 2019 demonstrates that efforts to expand our service offerings across a wider footprint and continually improving customer value our translate into diverse opportunities at least the U.S. and western Canada.

In July and where our group announced the acquisition of C. S I electrical contractors.

Yes, I adds a significant capacity to our commercial and industrial service offerings in California expands our expertise to new and existing customers and continues to support efforts to build our resume in the clean energy market.

In 2019, our candy and see an eye segments experienced strong bidding and project activity amid a healthy market condition and we continue to hone our abilities to adapt to client needs and remain agile.

The evolving energy landscape is presenting increased opportunities associated with wind solar and battery storage our T. N D. N C. N I segments continue to build on strong on on our strong resume to meet the diverse needs of our clients in these areas and position us favorably for significant opportunities in 2020.

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In addition to organic and acquisition growth initiatives in 2019, we focused on key operational objectives to streamline our business operation strengthen our competitive position and provide positive work environments and opportunities for our employees.

We believe and where our group is well positioned to main ARQ <unk> two written to maintain our status as a leading company in the industry and we are proud of our fourth quarter in 2019 full year perform.

Which we expect to serve as a solid foundation for future growth opportunities and continued stockholder value now Bedi will ride our fourth quarter and full year 2019 financial results.

Thank you Rick and good morning, everyone.

On today's call I'll be reviewing our quarter over quarter results for the fourth quarter of 2019 as compared to the fourth quarter of 2018.

Our fourth quarter 2019 revenues were $571.1 million. This represents an increase of $124.8 million were 27.9% compared to the same period last year.

Candy revenues were $311.0 million up 20.9% compared to the same period last year.

The breakdown of Tandy revenues was $219.3 million for transmission and $91.7 million for distribution.

Attendees segment revenues increased primarily due to an increase in revenue a small to midsized transmission project.

Definitely 45 for some of our fourth quarter Tandy revenues related to work performed under Master service agreements.

And I revenues were $260.1 million increased 37.5 per cent compared to the same period last year.

Let's see nice segment revenues increased primarily due to incremental revenues from the sand I see a thought acquisition.

Our gross margin was 12.1% for the fourth quarter 2019, compared to 10.6% the same period last year.

The increase in gross margin was primarily due to better than anticipated productivity as well to favorable projects settlement.

The increase in gross margin was purchased partially offset by inclement weather and labor inefficiencies for which we are ongoing negotiations to receive reimbursement.

That's June expenses were $48.1 million, an increase of $18 million compared to the same period last year increase was primarily due to the acquisition of C. S. I, along with the higher incentive compensation and other employee related expenses to support the growth of our operation.

This brings our 2019 fully arrest you now as a percentage of revenue to 7.6% compared to 7.8% experienced in the school prior year.

Fourth quarter 2019, net income attributable to emulate our group was $12.8 million or 76 cents per diluted share compared to $10.7 million or 64 cents per diluted share for the same period last year.

From a segment perspective, the Changi segment operating income was $24.9 million or 8%.

See an eye segment operating income was 3.9% up from prior quarters in 2019.

Just shy of our low and typical range, we're seeing I have 4% to 6%.

Without our non cash amortization, an earn out charges.

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Total backlog as of December 31st 2019 was $1.5 billion consider consisting of $470 million for the candy segment and $1 billion for the seeing nice segment.

This represents an increase in both segments sequentially and from the prior year.

The other record for the total and soon on backlog.

Turning to the December 31st 2019 balance sheet, we had approximately $242.4 million in working capital.

Her and $65.8 million, a funded debt and $260.6 million in availability under our credit facility.

Believed that our credit facility strong balance sheet future cash flow from operations will enable us to meet our future working capital needs.

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Both initiatives and bonding requirement.

In summary, we're pleased with our results this quarter, which reflect improvements among others and our Tandy segment revenues gross profit earnings per share EBITDA and backlog compared to the prior year and prior quarter.

This brings our 2019 full year two record annual revenues of over $2 billion, an increase of 35.3% from the prior year with record highs in both our candy and stand I segment.

Also for the year ending December 31st 2019, we reached record EBITDA of over $100 million an earnings per diluted share of $2.26 an increase of over 20% from the full prior year.

I'll now turn the call over to Todd Cooper, who will provide an overview of our transmission and distribution segment.

Thanks, Betty and good morning, everyone.

Our team do segment performed well in 2019, and we are excited about our prospects for 2020 of yours.

Our 2018 portfolio, primarily consisted of a mix of smaller to mid sized projects.

We experienced a healthy bidding environment, which included increases in engineered be churkin's construct or do you see.

Master service agreements and renewable energy opportunities.

And our efforts to respond to evolving customer needs, the changing market and a new clean energy landscape.

Our subsidiary Am why our transmission services has been rebranded to M., why our energy services incorporated or M why already.

I'm why aren't you will continue its focus on large transmission projects and take a lead role in growing our if you see it renewable energy efforts across the U.S.

[noise] around the United States M. why our has many exciting opportunities an active projects in the northeast mid Atlantic Southeast, we continue with active bidding and project execution for many new and existing clients want a number of projects and multi year lives programs. This includes projects range.

Moving from smaller distribution conversion projects for utilities and municipalities to long term contractor of choice or so you'll see multiyear programs to a few large projects, which are either in the final bidding stages, we're being prepared for bids later in 2020.

These large project opportunities ranged from projects that are fully permitted.

Those that are still going to various stages or the regulatory process and have plans start dates in late 2024 2012 to 21.

Our subsidiaries Harlow after nearly Mars company continue work on several long term Elias contracts with clients such as Dominion energy.

No national grid, Eversource, Evan Tennessee Valley Authority.

Throughout the Midwest in Texas, We continued to perform work through direct awards and M. assays for a number of customers.

Bidding of executing work for Cameron, Duke energy Midamerican energy and ATP.

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Opportunities for you see projects and long term so you'll see programs have become more prevalent and am why our is actively working on it we're bidding many of these projects.

We believe that our expertise in a number of different contractual arrangements and worked types.

Beneficial in capturing our share of this work.

One example, being the recent award of Amarins Gateway transmission project, which includes rebuilding 13 miles of 345 kv transmission line across two channels in Mississippi River.

In Texas and surrounding states transmission and distribution work and bid opportunities remain steady for clients such as Centerpoint on for Cts energy, San Antonio and they Pete and our subsidiary Great southwestern isn't beginning work on Entergys full D.C. timberland to 32.

Project, which includes the construction of a new substation and nine miles of double circuit transmission.

Bidding activity of team you work remain robust in the west for small and medium sized projects as does work within our and I'm essays in Arizona, California, Utah, and Colorado for multiple clients.

For 2020 industry trends of announcements reflect strong fundamental outlook for continued growth driven by high levels of small to medium project activity.

According to recent outlooks subsequent specialty construction markets grid hardening efforts, including fortification again storm damages and efforts to mitigate fire risk as well as utility efforts to focus on renewable generation and associated transmission investments.

You need to be key drivers for growth.

According to Bloomberg New energy finance.

That's investments in renewables jumped 28% to a record $55.5 billion in 2019.

You asked renewable energy capacity has doubled since the beginning of the decade.

Older capacity is estimated at 40 times, what it was a decade ago.

These latest developments are encouraging as we believe investments, we're making today to meet the growing and changing needs of our clients.

Present opportunities for continued success in the future.

In summary, we continue to invest in our market leadership position and expand and develop our customer base. As we believe are abundant opportunities for sustained growth in the TV market.

We will continue to raise the bar by the voting our energy and resources to doing what it takes for a successful future of him why our group.

I'll now turn the call over to Jeff wanting to who will provide an outlook of our commercial and industrial segment.

Thanks, Todd good morning, everyone.

Our commercial and industrial segment ended 2019 with year over year growth in revenue and backlog.

Positioning ourselves for continued success in 2020.

Our longstanding client relationships or if the utmost importance and again these relationships have generated another solid quarter backlog growth per se.

I'd like to take a few moments to describe our outlook for the coming year share some statistics that support our optimism.

In January Dodge data and analytics released the Dodge momentum index showing increases in nonresidential building planning in November and December of 2019, ending the year, 3.7% higher than the 2018 December reading.

Both the commercial and institutional components of the non res markets ended above their respective two year averages. The report stated that economic growth is slowing but it's not anticipated to contract in 2020.

As an overall index. These results show, a generally positive market across the country, which mirrors our outlook for Cnine.

As we take a deeper dive into our regional markets, we're seeing similar growth forecasts.

California.

Where our recently were caught acquired subsidiaries <unk> electric resides you see outlay Anderson school forecast states that although California. Its growth is slowing it's likely to outpaced that of the nation overall at sea. Aside we are seeing an increase in backlog and a continued pipeline of opportunities across these industries and.

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Moving up the coast the economic outlook in the northwest looks equally study.

According to a study prepared by the Washington State Economic and revenue forecast Council, Washington continues to see consistent growth and strong momentum, particularly in Seattle Metropolitan area.

Washington's ranking and economic growth rose from 50 highest in 2018 to fourth highest in the nation in 2019.

For two entities in this market habits cited that our current pipeline remains particularly strong.

As we move over the border to Western Canada, We look to the conference Board of Canada for their economic forecast, which estimates that British Columbia as economy grew 2.6% in 2019 and will grow by 3% in 2020 major infrastructure investments, including LNG, Canada.

As multi billion dollar liquefied natural gas project and the province, This site C down our clear part of that growth story.

The Board report also points to strong office building construction in Vancouver at a bounce back in housing starts as reasons for PC superior economic physician at the start of the new year.

Our company has already been engaged in early discussions about many of the exciting projects cited in the Board's report.

Another see an eye region, reflecting steady opportunities to southwest.

According to new data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Arizona's job growth ranked second in the nation last year overall, the state's economy is generating robust growth. It is outpacing the national average.

Moving to the Rocky Mountain region. The question has been well Colorado's prior outsized economic growth continue into 2020.

Colorado business economic outlook forecast calls for a 1.4% growth rate and our backlog and prospective projects are at an all time high.

The primary drivers our airport expansion Datacenters transportation entertainment and water projects across the state.

New opportunities remain numerous an a diligent selection process is being deployed.

As we move east to new England, and the mid Atlantic region.

Economic forecasts from TD economics vary somewhat from other regions of the country well unemployment rates are at historic lows in 2018, and a shortage of workers. This challenge many sectors economic growth is expected to maintain a moderate pace in 2020.

Sectors, such as manufacturing healthcare tourism and renewable energy are anticipated to lead the way.

Continue seeing resilience in the manufacturing sector, especially in shipbuilding and large modernization projects, which is expected to increase construction activity.

We remain focused in our target markets in New York, where Cree incorporated isn't investing $1 billion in an advanced manufacturing plant in Utica and in Syracuse, Microsoft is gearing up to open a tech hub or substantial investment will create manufacturing jobs for fiveg electronic components in new.

Jersey Health care has accounted for a third of all job gains in 2019, several new hospitals and plant expansion support for sectors positive trajectory.

As we close out a successful year look to the future work continued focus on greater collaboration internally and with our clients, while implementing new recruiting tactics and professional development programs structured to help our employees reach their full potential.

Significant investments in training position us to continue leading the industry, while working safely and efficiently as possible.

Thanks, everyone for your time today I'll now turn the call back to Rick will provide us with some closing comments.

Thank you for those updates Betty Todd and Jeff our fourth quarter and full year 2019 performance indicates the action, we've taken our strengthening and work groups position as an industry leader and are helping us capture new opportunities and grow our business.

In this healthy business climate, we believe our experience in reputation enable us to successfully execute all types and sizes. The project compete effectively against existing and new competitors and most importantly serves the needs of our clients.

[laughter] past years accomplishments are the combination of the efforts of our talented smart hard working group and I take great pride in being part of this team.

I'd like to close by extending the thank you to each and every a customer for allowing us to serve you to our stockholders for your support and the M. Our group employees everywhere for your hard work, you're ingenuity and your passion operator, we're now ready to open the call up for your comments and questions.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question. It's time, Please press star and then to number one key on your thoughts film telephone.

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Lessons on the line of Sean if none from Keybanc cap and the <unk>. Your line is open you may ask your question.

Hi, Tim nice quarter, a nice a into a solid solid year. Thanks. Thank you.

So I got firstly for me.

On the topline.

Turning to around 22% organic growth for 2019, I mean, obviously really strong number across the board and transmission distribution and Nancy and I line.

Seems well above what the underlying end markets there brew and 29 team. So I just like to get a sense I know you guys don't give guidance, but just getting a sense for.

What roughly is a sustainable growth rate as we look out to 2020 and whether there is some really tough comps there that you point out.

Well when we look at that I wouldn't look at that kind of growth going forward I'd probably model. It in a in the high single digit mid to high single digits. It's a something we continue to see a lot of activity in the marketplace on both our T., Indiana, the Eni side, a lot of activity, but still a lot of competition out there. So I think.

We're getting there you know we've got our fair share work, but you know, it's it's still competitive landscape out there.

Okay. That's helpful. And then a 1.5 times book to Bill on the Cnine segment in the fourth quarter and I really solid number again anything really large in there that's driving that and as you look at this season I backlog to today that does that support a return to kind of 4% to 6%.

Margin target range for that segment and 2020.

It's there's really a mixture of awards across the country, there's nothing major that standing out Theres just been some nice hits.

And various regions around the country, where we're still facing some headwinds as far as our margins. They're a few projects out there that we're working our way through a late design issues and let change order issues and that's kinda always going to be the case, but work.

Continuing to finished those to the end and hoping for some good results and on the side of the backlog I think they had some some good projects come in and close this quarter, but again that backlog can always be lumpy and we can't we don't control the timing of those awards, but this past quarter. We had some come into that you guys have been working on where the team.

I've been working on a very long time.

I guess just will take four to six star quarter. This quarter came in at 3.9 for the see nice segment and.

As our goal Sean to get to determine that Florida, 6% range for the for the see an eye group.

Okay got it and then on the PND side it seems like.

Bigger renewable opportunities.

Coming into the mix here any comments on the anticipated mix of work on the team decided as it relates to the margin.

Any kind of change.

Arjun profile around some of these newer opportunities coming out.

I really don't see anything there are a thought Cooper.

You know the mix of work when you look at at RMS A's and our small to medium sized projects. So many of those have that.

That that piece or there's a large piece of that are good. These other thats the renewable renewable associated and we're seeing more that but we're seeing a lot of a similar competition. That's out there today performing that works. So you know its is it's what we do and is what our competition does so a from a margin standpoint, you know I think you can.

Expect to see where we're at today on things.

Excellent all really helpful. Thanks for the time.

Thank you.

We do have another question from the line up and you wheat man.

From Baird. Your line is open you may ask your question.

Yeah, Great I, just wanted to try to understand the the earnings in the quarter, a little bit better, but I'm going to start with you, but you mentioned that there was a claim that broke in your favor a here that it looks like it helped the T. N D segment margins I was wondering if you could one use the SIFI compliant form to disclose that information.

Quantify that for us.

Yes, well just tell you that that's that's just shy of a million dollars. So that is not the majority of our improvement this quarter.

For us to disclose put it under a million.

Okay. So that's good. So then it it looks like the benefits of efficiency is there is there anything in the in the mix. The T. N D. A work right now that we should look at the fourth quarter strengthen the margins there and and use this to kind of extrapolate I mean.

You know your margins no. Many years ago were much higher we've tweaked you've talked at length about how pass through revenues and other things have have kind of shifted the mix of this business.

It feels like this quarter is it's got a little bit more lift to the T. In D. segment margins than we've seen in awhile and I just wonder wonder as we move into 2020, how we should think about that art art is the mix of procurement down that's helping margins.

Execution.

Is the is the gross margin that's in the backlog feeling better I think any color that you could give on how to think about margins and what this quarter means for the year ahead would certainly be helpful.

I'll start and then Betty in talking at our execution I would say is up and has improved its been a big focus of Todd and he and his group and Jeff on his side with the see an aggregate really making sure we focused on execution and along with that we did have some we didnt have bad weather conditions, where we were so that was a benefit to us.

Nothing nothing outside of what we'd call seasonal weather when we look at our backlog across the board. It's a it's very similar to what we've had before we're always pushing to get margin increases where we can but again, it's a very competitive landscape. A one of the things you said was going back in time, our margins are a little depressed from what they were I think weve.

Always said back in time kind of that 11 to 14 timeframe. That's when a lot of large projects were going on and we continue to you know front. There has been that law and large projects. We continue to see some activity now.

On large projects that should come out this year and start construction next year. So that's a positive thing. It's the first time, we've really seen what I'd call that movement in that kind of activity. Todd do you have anything to add there's no I think you hit on that Rick you know when it when you go back to the 11 through 14 timeframe.

On the larger projects the competitive mix our competition wasn't as there weren't is there wasn't as much competition back then and today, we're seeing a.

Many more contractors are attacking these these larger mid sized projects as well as the large projects. So from a competitive standpoint. It is it is good it is more competitive today than it was 11 through 14, but as Rick mentioned, we continue to hold our training.

And our project management expertise and apply it to to how we're growing as an organization and I think part of that is what you see in the results for the quarter.

Probably the last thing I was just added that obviously this 8% operating income for 10 days.

It's very strong this quarter, it's our goal to continue to be that way as Mike talked about that focused on execution. Just remember that there was the one onetime settlement and and that's very favorable productivity, so much where there I'm not sure that.

Ted to a 10 modeled out exactly at this point in time.

All right Thats our goal.

Yep.

Okay. I think those are all the questions that I have thank you very much. Thank you Andrew.

Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please reference our invented number one.

So in telephone our next question comes from the line up from Wildcats from Stifel. Your line is open.

Thank you and everyone congratulations on the good quarter. Thanks.

[laughter] question is probably for Todd and just you spoke a bit about renewables and how you're thinking about how you're what you're seeing in that market I'm kind of curious how you're thinking about the outlook I'm assuming that the next couple of years obviously the.

The extension of the PTC is as positive thing.

Are you viewing this as a market that can kind of stay at these levels even in the absence of at some of the tax credit Yeah. I think in short when you. When you look at the fact the tax credits have been extended that that's great for the developers and the utilities and what's happening out there.

But I believe it's a market that is going to remain strong.

Even with when and if those tax credits do a do disappear.

No solar and renewable energy is is now in quotes the right thing to do that I think.

That's where the.

That's where we're going as a generational utility side grow and to grow in the renewable side of the business.

With the tax credits that that's good but I don't think.

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Removal of the tax credits are going to slow the train too much.

Thanks, that's helpful.

And then just generally Rick how are you thinking about M&A at this point and.

You may want to continue that too.

A diverse to different playing out onto the business. How are you just generally thinking about the M&A strategy as it stands today, we continue to look for for tuck in acquisitions. We look every day offers come you know opportunities come across our desk everyday we evaluate them we look at them. It when we do make the next move it will be for another one that has the right.

Culture in the right fit for us and is additive to what we do so it's probably not going to be in a business segment outside of what we currently do today it will be something that's in the line of PND, you're seeing I, we are continuing to see opportunities in that you know between organic growth and Aquas acquisitive growth we're going to.

We're going to push both sides.

Great and then quickly could you just give us an update on on some of the on the organic expansion.

The new were the newer branches that you've built out over the last few years, you know I think we're talking about a black now that that you're seeing more volume and they're.

Profitable, but if you could just give us an update on how does it running that would be great.

Sure we're not in that overall with all the organic area as we started which was about seven organic areas. Since basically 2000 ended 2015, beginning in 2016, we started those it took us a few years to get those profitable net net there, they're adding to our bottom line. There there are a good added.

Good thing to our company now.

They've all got traction.

Some again are performing a little better than others, but net net positive impact for our company and we see that continuing going forward.

We don't see any drop back on that side at this point still.

Not at the overall margins that are existing businesses operate but getting closer and closer every day.

Thank you.

I didn't have you when if you have a question at this time. Please press star one attached to own telephoned. We do have another question from the line off Onyx Raytheon from B. Riley FBR. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning, this has been for Alex.

But he I just had a couple of more housekeeping type of questions for you [laughter] [laughter] can you provide any kind of guidance for 2020, Capex I know that you guys continue to make investments just want to know it'd be similar to 2019, or if you're going to pull back on them a little bit in 2020.

Generally similar to the 2019 level just for to support the growing operation.

Got it.

Okay, So not high Fiftys 50 million pick them up okay, and I'm sorry, if I missed this in the K, but what was the Om revenue contribution from C. I find the corridor where for the full year.

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Oh look a little more closely.

Okay, and then finally better you mentioned that the C. N I operating margin was actually like 4.6%. If you exclude the amortization and are now can you tell us what that number was in the fourth quarter of 18.

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So some nice benefits and in 2018 kit for.

Okay, and I know you mentioned in the Cnine interest the margins kind of being [laughter] I'm kind of on the lower.

You know the lower portion of your every range I know that you're still going through some projects that have some lower margins, but once you get through those.

It's the competitive landscape.

You know twist to an extent, where it's gonna be difficult free to get to that longer term goal or it's really isn't this you know these couple of projects really holding that margin back right now.

We are.

Seeing some opportunities to increase margins in certain regions.

I mentioned earlier, there definitely are some headwinds with.

General contractors and other trades on the jobs that can impact those margins and that's what we're fighting through now it's just in.

General.

Inefficiencies across the board that sometimes come in and then in fact, our ability to perform even though we're executing quite well.

If we get these when we get these projects behind us I do think it'll be that we'll have stronger performance. It's really when we look at the market out there whats available and how selective we are about who we do work for I think that alone show benefits in the future and get us into that you know, where we'll be able to maintain that 4% to 6% range. That's certainly our goal.

Okay. Great. Thank you then I'm just going to add your ear number you were looking for for the Air France, Yes, I was 137.7 million in our thank you very much.

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Yes, Hi, Anthony no more questions at this time I'll now turn the call back to Mr., Rick Swartz Huh.

To conclude on behalf of Betty Todd, Jeff and myself I sincerely. Thank you for joining us on the call today I don't have anything further and we look forward to working with you going forward and speaking with you again on our next conference call.

Ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference call you may now disconnect. Thank you for participating.

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