Q1 2020 Earnings Call

Good day and welcome to the Angie Home services reports Q1, 2020 results conference call.

At this time I would like to turn the conference over to Glenn Schiffman, Chief Financial Officer of <unk> AC. Please go ahead Sir.

Thank you operator, good morning, everyone and hope you all are safe.

Glenn shipping in here and welcome to the human services first quarter earnings call.

Joining me today is truly Levine, Jeremy van Human services, and see deal I see and branded wouldn't our CEO of Angiogram services.

I will also address any questions you may have somebody sees first quarter results.

Similar to last quarter over quarter supplemental to our quarterly earnings releases.

He is also published its quarterly shareholder letter, we will not be reading the shareholder letter on this call. It is currently available on the Investor Relations section of our website I will shortly during the call over to Joey to make a few brief introductory remarks, and then we will open it up today before we get to that I'd like to remind you that during this call.

We may discuss our outlook and future performance. These forward looking statements typically make the may be preceded by words, such as we expect we believe we anticipate for similar such statements. These forward looking views are subject to risks and uncertainties in our actual results could differ materially from the view.

News expressed today.

Some of these risks have been set forth in both IC and engineering services first quarter press releases and our reports filed with the FCC. We'll also discuss certain non-GAAP measures, which as a reminder include adjusted EBITDA, which will further referred to today as EBITDA for simplicity during the call.

I'll also refer you to our press releases the IC shareholder letter.

And again to the Investor Relations section of our website for all comparable GAAP measures and full reconciliations for all material non-GAAP measures.

Now, let's jump right into a joke.

Thanks, Glenn welcome everybody when and I are sitting here in New York City six feet apart.

Mr. right now are on.

Video in Colorado, where we're changing hands signals to manage with all but other than that the earnings ritual is not much different no do this with.

Everybody remotely so hopefully that goes smoothly today.

Normally I'd like to thank our employees in the quarter going for Glenn when we're doing great working.

And getting good results I am I think.

A different group today, which is.

Our employees had the benefit right now of working from home with with only minor inconveniences.

And the only reason ammonia, we're all able to operate from the safety of our own homes is because there's a lot of people at a lot of other.

Companies, who are putting themselves in harm's way put in there.

Doing work on the front lines.

And I just want to say that on behalf of all 9090 employees were incredibly grateful for that group of people.

We're making more money doing a lot of other people do possible.

I think there's you know seen the female engagement on that platform grow so nicely some of the trends that you've seen that they're just kind of underlying the financial mess rates are things that we really tried hardly product over many years to get going and certainly knowing whatever which.

This pandemic on anybody, but one it's silver lining their math to change some of those metric that that really can can support visits in the product experience start a new in the right direct.

Okay notwithstanding some.

So change the first time subs and things like that so we're we're we're optimistic about matching the future there.

Although will likely be part of I see much longer.

Is angie expanding really interesting to to watch.

We we saw the man's come down in the second half of Mark in the beginning of April and then we've seen a lot of that demand come back. Since then we don't know get that permanent we don't know about the pent up demand that didn't come through or jobs within come through in in March.

Early April as people were tough then place.

Suddenly came through there and April and start I made.

It's probably some of that.

I believe that you know the weather improved get the same time is things were were starting to feel a little bit better.

But it also could be that as people are spending time in their homes and spending less money on other things like vacation in restaurants, and bars and things like that they're putting that money into their their homes and it's possible that.

That that demand comes into our platform in a.

It really interesting way, it's really hard to make predictions in this business right. Now we've got you know I think in the within 43 days, we had both seasonally adjusted kind of an all time high in a three year low and when you got that kind of volatility in a business an interim period of time you just.

It's hard to make that he can I have to put their kids, but.

I work work or possibly optimistic on anti right now and then come through a sense more time, a brain opened up in time going through.

Some of the person takes around there <unk>, we've had great increasing demand for Daniel and you saw that into bookings numbers, we share and you can see that in the revenue hotel or h. and through April.

Yeah, I I'm, the one and <unk>, it's really nice to see those numbers come through and you you worry like this temporary.

This is a trend that we've been expecting for a very long time, we certainly didn't expect it to come this quickly and this sharply because in the trend we've been expecting for some time, because we've been saying to every small business every enterprise every entity that they ought to be using video to communicate and that was when they still have physical present to communicate as well.

Now if the physical presence there is temporarily disabled for a lot of businesses. The video presence as the primary present.

So you see a lot of people adopting.

But our whole isn't to ask people adopt these tools and ask people realize the tools are effective tools for communication that many of those thick and this becomes trend aiding <unk>, what we thought kidnapping for awhile, meaning you even when physical presence is returned you still have audiences you may want to reach that aren't.

Ah physically in your geographic reach her arm physically able to to reach your fitness studio or Europeans class, where things like that and video would be a very natural expansion of those things. So so we're hoping that that.

Ah steps, although I'm not sure it will take it the elevated levels you got right now given the the the lack of physical presence for for so many businesses.

Dot dash.

We've been any pleasantly surprised.

[laughter] surprised by how well about that actually is holding up here.

The the the traffic not surprisingly thing a big surgeon traffic as everybody has more people are spending more time on devices Ah okay. The advertising revenue.

Has held up in particular the performance revenue and one is the difference is we were talking about internally.

This would be a logo be able to day, who rung that bathrooms are we see lots of things we traffic up 40% in our traffic is up in that same <unk> when I first heard to 40% really excited about it when I heard everybody got 40% I thought okay, well, maybe we're not taking care of but the the different good.

He'll pointed out to me and this is why we see our revenue holding up so well.

There are traffic is growing in areas where intact. The fundamental thing about that is our traffic is about intense our audience, you're trying to get something very specific donna on our properties. So, whereas a lot closer seen traffic that is just sort of general entertain mentor traffic that answer in general new things like that.

Traffic is people trying to get very specific things on like.

Learning to Cook, new things or what the stock into pantry or things that that you could imagine that that demonstrate a level of intent that.

The advertisers who wants to reach in at home like that and then you can see that playing out even more in the performance marketing where.

That that advertising revenue, it's specifically related to performance or use or taking a specific action and the advertisers are paying only when that specific action happens and and I would suggest doing really well right now.

The last in applications like the desktop revenue business is very disappointing, Florida. That's continues to decline I think.

I know the business or so profitable and I think it'd be that you had some will continue to be profitable bit at a lower levels and it's been historically that was happening way before the pandemic and the the pandemic certainly didn't help that business.

Mobile applications results, which has no. There is is doing really nicely as holding up in revenue in browsing subscribers and and and we hope and expect that that would continue from here. So.

So at the very long after to your question, John but hopefully or do you think about these businesses and and kind of a monthly trends and John went through a little more a little more details up your navigate through the year and you know look given the uncertainty the dispersion of outcomes in financial performance is going to be pretty wide just.

This year, so I caution everyone not to run rate the March or April April performance honestly, we don't know the length of the quarantine, we don't know consumer behavior thereafter, and we don't know the <unk> awkward Atlanta, Oh, V. recession that we expect to come in New York in the background for the year, but jumping in.

Into some of the details to help you just a couple of flash points Your energy home services you see.

Demands down in April 8% for service will cost, 11% harmonica transaction, we expect a maximum entropy down Oh here, we don't expect our ability to minus nine staff demand to be and you saw a little bit of that in in more she's a little bit it out and people were revenue per <unk>.

Action in the first quarter was up a up 17% and Weirdoes wines cross that the man down on our ability to monetize that the man were those lines cross will determine if we grow for for the year and we've scenarios. Obviously, we're we're growing.

Elsewhere on what we're not growing in that business like Brandon Little pop about <unk> among the certain things we know when that businesses will continue to innovate and we think will continue to take a take share and you think about keep it up through the business we came into the here.

<unk> incremental margin put that margin was going to be eaten up by that 32.

50 million discretionary investments that we were planning on making we still are planning on making and are currently making 30 to 50 million dollar discretionary investments that's an international that's in our fixed price initiative, but we can all likelihood given the revenue profile of the business.

<unk> <unk> incremental margin was detrimental margin and then again you got away Rome have 30 to 50.

A million dollars in terms of giving you a lot of loyalty in the Prince here, we'll call. The first quarter of 19, we sold the hardware business.

So we had back in the numbers and I think what about 2.3 million of revenue in a cue 119, and then in cute too in May we bought the Mcchrystal business or you have that in our numbers I think the best way to look at video is if you're strip Ah out.

The acquisition and look at the true organic growth rate and there is some more disclosure, we said subjects, which is true group, 10% accelerating from from 8% off last quarter and our food average revenue for user through 11% that also accelerated that created.

A 22% organic growth for the quarter, you may recall, I said, 19% organic well if it began to last quarter and well you saw in the press release, 59% bookings growth that included in the just don't <unk>, 41% organic <unk> or.

Trailed by several quarters. So we expect that 22% <unk> that organic growth rate that then truck of not grow so dramatically.

Terms in terms of Dot dash.

To that performance marketing revenue line item of 115 <unk>.

So.

Speaks to the diversity of the business and stuff again, a little bit like energy on services, we think that performance based marketing there's going to secure.

And in other areas, where we're paid for action not per impression. We think that's going to grow all year, we think display will likely shrink oh here and I think the 70% is gonna get worse as we of course work through the block backlog this quarter and where are those lines across a little bit term.

If.

If we grow this here I think it's really said we're optimistic around around around Doctor <unk>, well, we're still in south African or make investments in content and and and make investments to continue to capture to capture share against the bigger brand spend which we compete in the picket brands in which we grew up again, which would be well.

We saw it last quarter, sorry applications, we said last quarter, we'll probably hit a low in the second quarter, we still believe that that the load will be a little while than we expected given somebody issues that were working through tend to desktop business and more sick is Jewish I will be.

We'll be Brazil, you if you're born here at home if you're working at home if you're working out at home, where you're doing homework at home. We have an hour for that no doubts of course are doing well the ask that are related to travel or doing less well and then emerging another.

Engrossed in February that's the acquisition of care. So you have a bunch of in organic growth. There. If you strip out care will shrink a year over year or were shrank you were here in February March and April and will shrink year over year throughout the rest of the year.

So that's kind of a trip <unk> or if you will <unk> high like the way I started the answer which is uncertainty rains here.

We'll talk about hopefully throughout this fall where certain.

That will keep innovating in every business. We're certainly we have a flexible expense expense grade and we'll certain we're certainly we will continue to penetrate the larger dresses their markets in which we compete.

Thank you.

Okay.

Bradner Harris and hopefully our answers won't be as long as that one [laughter] I forgot next question from Brad Ericsson with me and my company.

I got things couple one for N.U.M., just talking about what you're seeing or why why it stays in the performance marketing channels in particular, and just kind of how you balance thing between well I guess as a slight dropping the ban relative to what I think is probably going to less competitive advertising environment.

Sure. This is branding thanks requests and you know we have seen Ah costs come down across and as you guys are all aware across just about every channel.

And that's been dark minutes and I think we find ourselves are very fortunate position ads really the only marketplaces scale focus solely on home services. We are you know we have several thousand important like every single day with a a singular focus which is how do we improve the experience for homeowners.

And provide best in class tools for for small businesses to reach those homeowners.

And we saw as you can imagine stress test of our business models. Unlike anything that we we would have ever wanted to see but nevertheless, Ah it's got to see the results and as demand declined sharply in the backup March we start couple of things you know one.

Asleep directly to your question, we saw it costs come down across nearly every marketing channel that we used to acquire for service providers and all motors.

But we also saw the resiliency of our business model and and just let US which was only modestly affected and then at home adviser and in our market place a segment more broadly of course, we do see the immediate effective lower transactions, but we saw a dramatic engagement from service providers both those that.

Already use our platform, who engaged more but also the attraction and and and entrance of news service providers, who are coming for the benefits of.

Well, we believe as the the the you know far away the best the best you know our ally tool set to reach home owners that exist today.

April for US was incredibly strong month from from S.P. sales standpoint, and we were able to bring on more S.P.'s in April than we ever have and the history of the company, while also saying improvements and engagement from the S.P.'s are already part of our network.

Surface to substantially cushion Ah you know dramatic lines of demand.

You know from an overall I perspective, the landscape is certainly favorable at the moment and we haven't really seen that change even though as you can see from rape or results, we have seen a pretty strong recovery and and overall consumer demand, we're still seeing a relatively favorable.

Amyx from an average standpoint.

[noise] on it but that's great and then just any quick update on fixed price. The milestones you can share and just talk about any changes or or maybe accelerated expansion on the roll out of that function Oh. Thanks.

Yeah. So there there there are two things with six price you know first we are you know still investing as we said we would add that are on a page that says that we plan to be on a without a doubt would reduce the top of the final only have 40 or 50 per cent. That's gonna that's going to have an impact but that proved relatively temporary.

And and April we are back on track and and saw you know the biggest weeks in the history of fixed price from from a bookings an hour and a revenue perspective. So we're very happy with the the trajectory I growth that we're seeing there which is in line or or maybe a bit ahead of our expectations.

I think.

Perhaps more importantly, we have expanded into a number of different project categories, where the projects are higher value and more complex.

And what we've been able to prove out when certainty is that there.

Is demand from a consumer and Homer standpoint, and willingness to engage with an purchase these projects digitally.

And obviously, that's a starting point you have to know that that there's a there's a market for these things and we've been able to prove that out and our very certain that you know we can scale of business in these complex high value projects.

Our our work ahead of US here is to.

Master if you will the fulfillment in logistics around actually a completely these projects they are more complex.

And you know by virtue of that there's more work to be done to be able to do this at scale. In every market you know and every one of the foreign markets, which are nationwide. So those are.

It'd be our focus for the remainder of the year, which is to scale. Those you know continue scale and grow that's because project to actually watch last year, but meaningfully you know master fulfillment for all these new higher value project <unk> that we'd watch this year.

I think just to just to a driver's attention back to the values were talking about I think the initial set of categories. We launched had Pam or something like $5 billion. While the next that isn't the 25 billion dollar flush range. So we're unlocking a tremendous amount of additional potential G.M.B.

Expanding to the new categories, and you know getting the fulfillment right as both important from a financial performance standpoint could also quite clearly in terms of satisfying customers that are willing to to make those purchases.

[noise] great. Thanks.

Mhm.

Okay. The next question, they're quite Carpenter with J.P. Morgan.

They things from the questions.

Oh, who wants more calm performance across different categories, you August and in the courtroom Liberal and then maybe a follow up question just how do you think about that like most men.

Starts starts recover.

Yeah. That's a great question you know.

Mid March and I and said this before the data cancel D.M.B.A. season or suspended the teeth and the next day, you know sort the bottom fell out nationwide and effectively every market number category. I think people were just in shock that lasted for a couple of weeks and then we began to see a a very.

We began to see very.

Aggressive you know such a v. shaped recovery to the band even as Lockdowns, we're pretending to spread across the country, which I think it's interesting.

As you as you would anticipate there's a big difference between projects and happen indoors and projects happen outside and projects that you have to do versus projects that are discretionary and when I can tell you is that where we're seeing the biggest impact is an indoor discretionary projects. These are things like cleaning services or a modeling.

Everything else, whether it's Nondiscretionary service, it's indoor indoors or whether it's a out any type of outdoor project, we've seen a very strong recovery.

All of these actually are recovering quite well, but certainly indoor discretionary would we continue to see hesitancy amongst consumers to take on some of those projects. So if there's an area where you know we continue to see some drag it's there.

Quite frankly.

We were seeing a couple of things are really interesting first we've seen in terms of the mix of customers coming to our site. We've seen since the beginning of for sometime in February machine, a pretty significant shift.

In terms of mix toward new customers that we've never seen come to our market place before and we were never 20 year history. So we have served you know over that 20 years or agree a great deal of households, but we are seeing more people that we that are completely new to watch as a percentage of our customers than we ever have or did we ever have late.

I think it's really interesting to me and suggest perhaps an acceleration in terms of the ship from off line to online and that's obviously something were keen to lean into.

Are as you know and are experiencing staying at home and half your alternatives in terms of their time and money and you know if you're or anything like me you Gotta listed on projects that you you didn't have before that are suddenly, but some of the top of mind, how long that secular trend laughs I don't thinking in the snow quite you know.

A lot of uncertainty around that but for the moment you know the home is top of mind that people are spending a lot of time, there there's more wear and tear there's more desire to improve.

In terms of in terms of you know other opportunity to differentiate and I can certainly not to that off line to online transition.

You know we believe our market places have always offered an advantage over traditional word of mouth referrals and the way people used to do things, but changing behavior is hard.

In a world of social distancing that we are and at the moment and it seems to be the case for the foreseeable future. We believe our platforms offer substantial additional value to help people get work done safely and securely and you know with confidence that such and so we are rapidly introducing.

Features we've done so recently, including contact us payments.

Video, calling the ability for provider to indicate what precautions. They take when they come into your house and <unk> and so on and we have more to <unk>. We think that we can meaningfully deliver value to homeowners into S.P.'s to help them, both feel comfortable and actually be safe and getting a and getting home project.

X., Don and I think in doing so we can help driver drive a recovery in in helping people feel comfortable and getting those discretionary indoor project on enough to pick focus for us for the rest of the ear drums channel are alike.

You know this is pretty straightforward, we always managed to do you know a margin requirement in every channel for an R.Y. standpoint, the the save her ability of rates makes it easy for us to lean and I think one of the areas, where we have have held back a bit has been a T.V., but T.V. rates at least when a moment are extremely paper.

And you'll see as lean in there you know over the balance of two two and I hope for the rest of the year if that holds I, but otherwise you know we always managed to you know a a R.Y. target based on March requirement and I'm Gonna continue to do so.

Mhm.

Mmm.

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The things that we're doing product right now look like they have no pants roles to us to online a lot more bad market and brain.

Chain consumer behavior in a way where it becomes much more naturally for consumers and becomes much more natural sorry for consumers and service professionals to <unk> online to get jobs that that is a <unk>, we're looking for handling surveys and part that come through and demanding.

We supply and ultimately increase revenue in that business.

That's what we're looking for in that business and and the movie.

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And it bathroom again, you can see a business small who are bigger than is right now.

I have to ask is D. is paid sure anywhere [noise] Bolton publisher, an average yeah, I think it's done incredibly well by focusing on the right things to the right kind of content for consumers to be digest, the ball to be fresh as fast as you know Francesca that bad decide.

He with that they got a wonderful job on that but if you look even at that dance again, we'll get that they asked into pieces and they and healthcare we had.

You could be more bigger than we are right now in finances investopedia into balance we could be <unk> bigger.

I was here in home same story and each of those areas, where you have a much bigger competitor and ask what we're going after to to build that business.

And then care Dot com would be the other big brother engineer 30 in there and [noise].

There there is care is probably 30 times bigger than the next competitor, but it's still a tiny fraction of the marketing of what happens offline and we all know what would be much more convenient if you could book a reliable high quality food and care giver with a quick and not what they a.

Multi interaction process and that's what we're trying to contemplate that what we put in place at care with sorry, I had what we put in place that service medical on that.

I mean, though that as a small business, we have today and and I think that's what what's possible care. So those are the big.

But the engine and I think.

We're really excited about each one of those maybe we won't get all of them right, but I think there.

[noise] <unk> opportunities to deploy fat cats in in the past when we've been very well capitalized and Mark. It then.

More talent, we've been able to do well about half and putting it to work and that's certainly going to be our goal through through this period and and we should certainly be jogging and guys are actually on how we deal with that cash.

Alright, operator neck, but simply.

Okay. The next question time, it takes at half time with Oppenheimer.

Odd bank you questions. One I just want to dig a little more aren't the Angie then up follow up on cats. So the down to present April varying crap, you know and you know covered it scared people from having professionals in their house.

And then.

I want to focus to the extent that a 30 you'd be it'd be is coming from discretionary project and I imagine people are delaying that what does that mean for the other two thirds will call necessary project.

I mean did that actually grow if you could kind of but it's almost like cohort those two and and how you're thinking about that and then the second question how did care dot com avoid liability during cold it okay.

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Yeah, I think to say something the question you know two thirds is is is nondiscretionary as we've always said, but a big chunk of the discretionary is also outside and people seem very very comfortable getting the outdoors worked on so when you boil that all down only only the indoor Nondiscretionary has been impacted and then.

Has been impacted we are seeing it recover <unk> you know some but not back to where it was previously I think that the short answer to your question is we entered April you know an animator deficits and we we exit with some strength.

Overall as Joey said earlier, there's a lot of uncertainty around the nature of that strength you couldn't you could postulate that it is a blade demand or pent up demand from the the short period of shock and late March.

On the other hand, it could be the beginning of a of a sort of secular you know boom and home services from people being in their home I'm much more than they were before and with much more focus on on you know spending time in the home and.

In the World, where you can't go to restaurants, having people over to the dinner in their home and and so on and so forth. So I think that the future is very uncertain and the dispersions outcomes is very wide, what we feel confident about as certainly that we're we're in a pretty strong position financially where you know financial performance I think in April.

Is is good given the situation.

And we think we can make a real difference in.

And the World we're living in here for the at least in your immediate term in terms of accelerating people from all find online and providing them features that make a material difference in terms of getting them over the hump and be comfortable and getting that indoor worked on we believe that that indoor worked on can also indoor at work and ultimately be.

Safely if people are falling to write guidelines and have confidence and and how it's being done in that's a huge focus for us that's the.

The the overview, but we're we're definitely seeing and everything but indoor discretionary we're definitely seeing you know a lot of a lot of focus and demand in those areas.

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Last but in other areas of the country things.

Played out a lot better you know a ball and times or reduce demand F.T.'s need us more and you know we're seeing that we're seeing that now given a standard said earlier <unk> oral lie to an S.P. on our platforms pretty significantly better them better than Ah competing.

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<unk> and or or or variable cost basis, you know, 70% to 80% of the total so we can adjust or expense based if we so choose and this year, we may not but if we could adjust or or cost base with reduced to demand.

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A lot of you'll probably came in to.

Liability landscape of Kobe related thing is certainly evolving all pulled the regulatory question. It's a.

Policy question, and we just don't know yet how that's going to shake out.

Can tell you is that.

One of the benefits using the this platform is that the interactions are more limited. So you can find somebody go by somebody reliable and you're sort of feel the exposure is effectively one for one as soon as their systems of course that everybody more we're looking forward.

You can verify that somebody is say for has anybody there had been task data that can can pass and things like that we'll try to avail themselves of all of those tools, but I I until those things become available one one.

We.

Somewhat beneficial thing here is limited interaction interactions with bigger grows to change. It's it's it's a smaller I'll be able to expose their their book, but but to see how that bad landscape Bob's at some point you know there is responsibility between.

People, making decisions of off exploded, they're comfortable with them I suppose you, they're not comfortable with and a lot of that that'd be informed but but.

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Next button.

Yeah, well take our next question from that Salmon week B.M.L. capital markets.

Oh, great morning, everyone.

For Joey and maybe both and Brandon as well.

Schar talks about you know more used to video to more female engagement and it seems like that's good opportunity for sort of specific product development for matched it has emerged due to to to cope with you've already spoken a little bit about accelerated shifts of behavior change right.

Can you point to maybe some areas, where we already see specific product opportunities for for N.G. or across the I.T. businesses Joey video C., but it seems like an obvious one, but but any others that you'd highlight that would be great to here and then just the second for gland you activated the option to sell up to 1.5 million to match soccer.

Can you elaborate on your thinking and the timing for that sorta disclosures.

We can expect going for it in any other topics that would be great.

Show ran around you go first on answering a video and then I'll hit the eyes <unk>.

Yeah. So let me give you just two examples are excited about first we introduced contact was payments just in this last quarter.

Contact with payment means that any project that it submitted across the entire home advisor marketplace, not just fixed price, but any project.

Can now be paid for from the consumer to the S.P. through the home and dies or out.

And obviously that that offers a level conveniences attractive to people anyway, but then a time of social distancing and and situation Rand nobody wants to change a check or cash or have to.

Franklin interact in person if they can avoid it.

The timing for interest in context payment is obviously perfect.

And if you think about the potential impact of that if if we can close the loop on a significant number of the projects get completed in our market place you remember, where you know our G.M.V. for the entire marketplaces, North $10 billion. We can close the loop from from a transactional standpoint, the opportunity to test different business.

Models to introduce things like the opportunity for financing.

And maybe in a more basic way simply drive deeper engagement and convenience for our customers to drive more loyalty and and and ultimately more you know a longer lifetime longer life I'm value is really significant so I I don't think we could be any more excited about about a feature than we are about contact was p.

We also introduced video calling this is this was very specific to the situation and able to consumer and S.B.'s taught me a video through our <unk>.

You know the consumers. Obviously appreciate this for reasons that are obvious in terms of social distancing S.P.'s. Appreciate it to the same reason, but they actually are attracted to attracted to it for different reason, which is if they can save a trip across town you know it saves time and expense and make enables them to run their business is much more efficiently we're seeing.

Real affinity for this feature from our service providers.

And the thing that's interesting about all this with these features you know we're always there and the benefits could have always been derived when you. When you think about you know running your business efficiently.

But what what people need as something to get them over the hump of making that behavioral change in terms of how they operate their business and this situation is forcing that vote, but by you know as it's happening. These folks are learning and understanding the benefits and when the situation resolves itself, which we all know it will.

The behavior isn't going to change their not going to go back so it.

Behavioral change driving people toward the digital features and we expect those to be lasting changes in terms of how people conduct business.

Yeah, I agree with that and you can expand that data businesses that just.

We're going to video we've seen just as a couple of examples.

Kids channels that the big.

Each or a videos tools, we've seen fifteenx increase and sign up some kids channels and we don't mind, the guy that but the the point is that the the people love those kids channel see that benefit in there and reaching this kind of audience.

Personal trainers and fitness expert. These are individuals were putting up their own channels, and saying something like by that increasing demand airport, that's bringing more channel onto our platform, which is is important for our business.

So.

You could see it threw out video and all the places that they me o. touches of the economy and all that kind of different businesses that that <unk> I think that's probably decide what what you mentioned imagine what brand you just talked about handy I think that's the main areas where video impact I mean that they ask you to the video as.

Tool to communicate and will continue to use video as a tool, but that no like I don't think a fundamental change and user behavior like you're saying now where people who previously would only communicate or use use tax to pictures as a tool and there I use video at the tool and where it can the place or supplement and I think.

Long term supplement is really important physical presence.

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For employees in the light industrial hamburgers, they were able to green employees gone through video interviews and.

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Content acceptable. So for example, finding a burbridge account number one like why do I need a brokerage account what do I do <unk>, how do I do certain things around there. That's the kind of content that would be exist in India has to be in the balance but also within their okay, where should I open a brokerage account what are the rate of one versus the other one of the rates the matter whether.

Rates that are likely to be somebody effects me and my kind of account ever get somebody else and they're kind of account.

Building those tool between those two are completely impartially great thing about what we're doing is they're coming here from scratch. So we don't need to protect and revenue undergrad protect anybody revenue here our goal is.

To deliver for the consumer and so on these we're definitely going for the consumer that impartial fastest breakfast information.

Then sometimes they click through the advertisers and that's it back at my diet, but that's our goal our goal and just to to make that content in areas, where content driven but to look to deliver that that can barco contents and user. It's along that we continue to do that <unk>, a very wide range of categories. I think we'll be able to monetize it because it uses are coming.

With the intent you don't need then guess what they're doing we don't need to Cookie then we don't need to understand their demographic information, we don't need to understand or personally identifiable information, we know somebody looking for it wherever down good looking for a brokerage account Napa matters, because so the focus on the outside of that advertising equation, yeah in terms of our our.

Oh, one off off related to the separation in the the acquisition care not sound costs or a about $40 million.

Or it's gonna be deferred revenue you saw 13 million of that already in the first quarter, we think there'll be a similar amount in the second quarter.

The balance will be split roughly equally and the third and fourth quarter, maybe a little weighted through the third that's care in terms of the spinning costs, we estimate that about $20 million 8 million of which was in the first quarter. The rest of it will be in the second quarter that'll be in the corporate line the care costs, sorry will be I mean.

And other line and then the third Costa as you said the funding of being down and the I.C. Fellows and <unk> and in celebration of ice he's 25th year, that'd be $25 million and that will hit in the corporate lined in the second floor.

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Hey, guys Barry was on T.V., a couple of weeks ago, and and and mention that you're looking at <unk>. So given the call the environment for profit company financing it changed since the last six months. How are you thinking about laws you know some small deal.

Dogs versus buyback <unk>, you know cause a company that you think you're you know you're most interested in it.

Kind of two sided marketplace and.

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On June 25th and and then we go when issued with a new shirt retrading by the end of the second quarter before June 30th and cover on what happens after a June 25th they fought.

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We're looking at everything.

Small to big Cherry versus what else would definitely be in the mix the be the.

The one thing that that is perhaps changed is that.

Big deals have gotten smaller recently and so or may get smaller soon and that may create them opportunity I don't think that there's a fundamental shift in how we think about half of why we think about the coin capital or or our willingness to back the company, which we haven't historically been willing to do and I don't think we'll we'll do.

Board, but there are opportunities that may become available in environment with a lot of this location and we wouldn't certainly look at those.

And and give it a fair shot so I. That's that's I think really it on deal with that when you want to do the other yeah I'm the only mechanics.

The shareholders the 25th we expect the ball securities.

To be done by the end of the corridor. So.

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Okay. Thank you all protect my question I guess, just thought Uncared dot com and the shareholder letter you know you've heard this quite the opportunity you know you called not rapid but getting video interviews improved matching and then expand on the opportunity and and maybe what they used it today I think it's more kind of long term care and what you should be used.

In the future.

Sure I do think laws here and parents still very much going to be a focus of tear forever well what so we're trying to do is also open up the 78 million babysitting short term duration childcare jobs and what that besides being a new revenue opportunities <unk> hopefully drive.

Frequency.

Platform, where it's an easy every week is when you need care for elder or for a child you can go on for at the bottom and get it done that I think people also turn to us for the long term care and other kinds of care in their home that the the goal on that the market is quite large most.

Families need care at some point and families in a certain.

A certain age range need care very frequently over the course of a year.

And I would say things <unk>, what school being available in daycare centers being available right now certainly changes a lot of the dynamics, but Oakland ways, where we can satisfy incremental consumer demand. So that the the opportunity I think a very large one the business was.

Well and when we bought it and I think that they were locked opportunity to optimize some of the tools entitle there to to make them work more efficiently to drive conversion to to allow easier and lonely.

And we can just get some of that blocking and tackling down I Ain't even before creating wildly new innovative tools. We can we can drive real <unk>.

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Companies.

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Both the local maybe I don't know more more child, just so that any change in a kind of pardon companies that might be interested in.

And in pursuing and then on Angie I'm, just going to talk you talk about but but the sales channel being very productive and I'm on a lie as people are getting you know maybe I'll just similar so everybody up a little bit surprised in some of the resiliency.

Oh, Yeah, maybe get some color, what what the discussions or like with with S.T.R.R.Y. higher or lower today, given kind of <unk> incremental offers to people on onto the platform. You know just put a little bit of inside and what the discussions on like thanks.

Right in front of to do the Angel in personnel close enough with.

Assessment.

So the the the nature of the business model, particularly in our market place segment. It is very resilient via the less consumer demand. There is some weren't obviously providers need us and as as you guys know, we've we've had an excess of consumer demand for a long time, so even even as demand goes down we still have a lot of it and tied with G.S.P.'s engage more.

Ah you know make themselves active available more.

In terms of bringing new recipes on you know in April I, I said was or high school time sales month and history of the company puts more perspective around that we were up 38% versus last April and that's on a sales force. That's roughly the same size. So gives you a sense of the the the absolute productivity of of of our sales force.

Part of it it is need and just having best in class you know tools in terms of I'm, helping these small businesses customers, but another part of it we become far more sophisticated over the course of the last year and being able to Taylor are offering to the right customer and the right way at the right.

Time, I think in our 20 or experience up to this point, we've always approached it a one size fits all way, but the reality is a you know a handyman or made is is very different than somebody who does you know catcher models and that's the in the same way a company that is one or two people is very different than the business. It might have 100.

Until we have come up with a range of offerings and products configurations that are tailored to unique situations and segments that we simply found have have have opened up you know our ability to bring on more S.P.'s because at the appeal of those configurations.

We think we've got a long way to go there in terms of a lot of runway and being able to get even better at that considering we just started over the course the last let's call. It nine months overseen very early positive impacts from that segmentation and customs issue.

In terms of planning to companies.

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Those kinds of inventory businesses are not typically where we historically well I think certainly wait until like marketplace business anymore, only be looking for murder to place.

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Good day and welcome to the Angie home services reports.

You want to 2020 results conference call.

This time I would like to turn the conference over to Glenn Schiffman, Chief Financial Officer of <unk> see please go ahead Sir.

Thank you operator, good morning, everyone and hope you all are state.

Sure in here and welcome to the human services first quarter earnings call. Joining me today is truly Levine, Jeremy van Human services, they see deal I see and branded working our CEO of Angiogram services joint I want to address any questions. You may have <unk> first quarter results.

Similar to last quarterly order supplemental to our quarterly earnings releases I see it also published its quarterly shareholder letter.

I'll be reading your shareholder letter on this call. It's currently available I mean Investor Relations section of our website.

Shortening during the call over to Joey to make a few brief introductory remarks, and then we'll open it up to Q right before we get to that I'd like to remind you that during this call may discuss our outlook and future performance. These forward looking statements typically make <unk>, maybe preceded by words.

So should we expect we believe we anticipate or similar such statements. These forward looking views are subject to risks and uncertainties in our actual results could differ materially from the views expressed today.

Some of these risks that makes it for Eagle I see an easy going services first quarter press releases and our reports filed with the FCC walk to discuss certain non-GAAP measures, which as a reminder include adjusted EBITDA, which will FERC referred to today as if it though its simplicity during the call.

Well walk too early to our press releases.

The shareholder letter.

And again to the Investor Relations section of our website for all comparable GAAP measures and full reconciliations for all material non-GAAP measures.

Now, let's jump right into it Joe.

Thanks, Glenn welcome everybody when I am sitting here in New York City six feet apart.

Mr. right now are on a video in Colorado, where we're changing.

I'm signals.

To manage the ball, but other than that the earnings ritual did not much different you always do that with.

Everybody remote me well hopefully that go smoothly today.

Normally I like to thank our employees in a quarter on <unk>. When you were doing great work in.

And getting good results I actually I think.

A different group today, which is.

Our employees have to benefit right now working from home a with with only minor inconveniences.

And the only read anymore, we're all able to operate from the safety of Darling homes.

Because there's a lot of people a lot of other companies, who are putting themselves in harm's way of putting that they're doing work on the front line and that is why it stayed on behalf of all our 9000 IC employees were incredibly grateful for that group of people.

We're making what we're doing a lot of other people do possible.

In fact, I see the we're really pleased with another quarter or turned out given the.

The overall environment and we're we're cautiously optimistic on on where things go from here.

We have a meeting with that Ceos every.

Monday afternoon, with we've been doing since we.

Started since we started working from home and sheltering in place and.

It's really interesting to see the tone of the business has evolved over that lead to the first couple of weeks with.

A little bit of confusion in the next few weeks were a little bit disappointment and a few weeks after that it seems like a lot of optimism among our businesses and it's tough for things to be a provides the right now where we can.

The benefit of a multi business business and be able to communicate with each other on what's going on and how we're managing through changes in the business and.

It's it's great to see how our our leadership is saying that yet.

So.

We put all the numbers you got all the numbers you can see the results you've seen our numbers now through April and I'm sure that ranges.

The question, which I will turn to the operator, if they've got the first question what he did not start answering thank you.

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And we'll take our first question from John Blackledge with Cowen.

Hi, Thanks for the question and held their own doing all right.

A broadly for Jolie line and brand in the April trending data across many of the business it looks better than expected.

Yes, just given the uncertainty around the pandemic it would be really helpful. If you could walk through kind of the puts and takes on the trajectory for each business as we had through Twoq, you and and into the second half 20.

Yeah.

Sure John what maybe I'll just look at what the table is we we published in the latter and and walk you through that match I get every hopefully a lot of your the call yesterday, the chart and Gary where I felt they did an excellent job.

So I hope match and.

What's happening and what the outlook looks like.

But you can see business is still growing and we expect that business to continue to grow.

Dan.

Even some of the dynamic inside a math are pretty interesting I think there's you have seen a female engagement on that platform.

We're also nicely at some of the translate that you've seen that business kind of underlying financial metrics are things that we've really tried hard with product over many years to get going and.

Certainly know and whatever which.

The pandemic on anybody, but one silver lining their map and seeing some of those metrics that that really can support business in the product experience our could move in the right direction notwithstanding some.

So changed the first time and things like that so.

So we're we're we're optimistic about matching the future there.

Although it will likely be part of I see much longer.

Yes, Angie expanding really interesting to.

Watch.

We saw demand come down in the second half of Mark in the beginning of April and then we've seen a lot less demand come back.

We don't know get that promotion, we don't know up about the pent up demand that didnt come through or job has been come through in March.

In early April as people work telco in place.

Suddenly came through later in April and May.

At least some of that possibly that the weather improved at the same time as things where we're.

Starting to feel a little bit better.

But it also could be that as people are spending time in their homes and spending less money on other things like vacation in restaurants, and bars and things like that they're putting that money into their homes.

And Oh, it's possible that.

That that demand comes into our platform.

Hey.

In a really interesting way, it's really hard to make predictions in that business right. Now we've got I think in that within 43 days, we had both.

Seasonally adjusted kind of an all time high in a three year low.

When you that kind of volatility in a business in a short period of time you did.

I would make any kind of predicting but.

I have to work more cautiously optimistic on anti right now I'm through a sense more timely brand open at the time going through.

Some of the puts and takes around there.

We've had great.

Increasing demand for venue and you saw that into bookings numbers, we share with you can see that in the revenue acceleration through April.

Yes, I'm wondering if it.

It's really nice to see those numbers come through and you weren't really the temporary.

This is a trend that we've been expecting for a very long time, we certainly didn't expect it become this quickly and thats sharply due to the trend we've been expecting for some time, which is we've been saying to every small business every enterprise every entity that they ought to be using video to communicate and that was when they still have physical presence to communicate as well.

Now that the pinnacle pride in those areas.

Temporarily disabled for lot of businesses the video presence at the primary presence.

So you see a lot of people adopting but our hope is that have people adopt these tools and ask people. We likely these tools are effective tools for communication that many of those stick and this becomes.

Trend aiding what we thought kidnapping for a while meaning you even when physical presence is return you still have audiences that you may want to reach that arc physically in your geographic reach or are physically able to reach your fitness studio or your kids class, where things like that new video would be a very natural extension of those things.

So we're hoping that.

Sticks, although I'm not sure we'll pick at the elevated levels, we've got right now given.

The the lack of physical presence for for so many businesses.

Okay got dash.

We've been pleasantly surprised by how well dot to actually is holding up here.

The the traffic is not surprisingly thing a big surge in traffic as everybody has more people are spending more time on devices.

Okay.

Advertising revenue.

Has held up in particular, the performance revenue and one of the differences.

But up internally.

Neil Vogel everything running that das is.

The business, we traffic up 40% in our traffic is up in that same neighborhood.

Quicker to 40% really excited about it when I heard everybody that 40% I thought okay, we'll make we're not taking share but the good thing good.

Neal pointed out premium this is why we see our revenue holding up so well.

Our traffic is growing in areas with intense the fundamental thing about that is our traffic is about maintained our audience is trying to get something very specific down on our properties. So whereas a lot of processing traffic that is just sort of general entertainment or traffic that is sort of general new things like that.

Our traffic as people try and get very specific things on like.

Learning to Cook, new things or what the stock in the pantry or things that you could imagine that demonstrate a level of intent that.

To advertise it would want to reach in a moment might that and then you can see that playing out even more in the performance marketing where.

That that advertising revenue, it's specifically related to performance. So you are taking a specific action and the advertising only when that specific action happens.

And obviously, that's doing really well right now.

So what have been applications like the desktop revenue business is very disappointing for us that continues to decline I think.

Yes, I know the business is still profitable and I think the business had some.

We will continue to be profitable, but at a lower level than it's been historically that was happening way before pandemic pandemic, certainly been how that business, but our mobile application business, which has no. There is is doing really nicely, it's holding up in revenue and growth in subscribers and and we hope and expect that that would.

Can you from here so at the very long answer to your question, John but hopefully outdoor we think about these businesses and kind of a monthly trends and Joe I'll go into a little more.

In a more detailed we hope to navigate through the year and given the uncertainty the dispersion of outcomes in financial performance is going to be pretty wide.

Yes.

So I caution everyone not for run rate.

The March or April April performance, obviously, we don't know the left of the quarantined, we don't know consumer behavior thereafter, and we don't know the depth all for the length of the reception that we expect to come in the in the back half of the year were jumping into some of the details to help you.

Just a couple of flash points here and give them services you see.

Hi demand down in April 8% for service request, a 11% for Monotype transaction, we expect demand demand to be down all year, we don't expect our ability to monetize that demand could be up and you saw a little bit of App and up in March you saw a little bit of at April where revenue per month.

Transaction in the first quarter will go up 17% and where the warnings crossed that demand down in our ability to monetize that demand where those wind cross will determine if we grow for for the year and Weve scenarios. Obviously, we're growing and we are scenarios, where on what we're not growing in that business.

As brand, we will talk about.

Among the certain things we know when that businesses will continue to innovate and we think we'll continue to take uptake share as you think about EBITDA for the business. We came into the year thinking we're going to quickly incremental margin.

But that margin was going to be eaten up by that 30 to 50 million of discretionary investments.

We are planning on making we still are planning on making and are currently making those $30 million to $50 million discretionary investment that's an international that's in our fixed price initiative, but we will likely here given the revenue profile of the business. This year, we won't create incremental margin decremental margin and then again.

You got away around that 30 to 50.

Million dollars.

In terms of video is a lot of loyalty in the print tier.

Recall, the first quarter of 19, we sold the hardware business.

So we had back in the numbers and I think what was up 2.3 million revenue in Q1 19.

And then in Q2 in May we bought the Magento business. So you have that in our numbers I think the best way to look at.

Video is if you strip out the acquisition or look at the true organic growth rate and there is some more disclosure we said.

Yes, we just through grew 10% accelerating from.

From 8% off last quarter and ARPU average revenue per user grew 11% that also accelerated that created.

22% organic growth for the quarter, you may recall, I said, 19% organic growth at the end of last quarter and while you saw in the press release, 59% bookings growth that included the just don't X magento, 41% organic.

Bookings growth booking revenue of course trails bookings by several quarters. So we expect that probably 2% to inch up that organic growth rate within trup not grow grow dramatically.

In terms of in terms of Dot Dash I would point you to that performance marketing revenue line item of 115% is that just speaks to the diversity.

Of the business and again, a little bit flight engineering services.

Thanks, Good performance based marketing business, which includes ecommerce and other areas where were paid for action now current production and we think thats going to grow all year, we think display will likely shrink all year and I think the 7%.

Is going to get worse as we of course work through the block backlog.

This quarter and where are those lines frost will determine if.

If we grow weeks here I think as Uli said, we're optimistic around around around dock dash, but we're still end up cash going to make investments in content and make investments to continue to capture.

The capture share against the bigger brand spend which we compete and the bigger brands in which we grew up against which we do well.

Desktop we saw last quarter, sorry applications, we said last quarter.

We'll probably hit a low in the second quarter, we still believe that the below will be a little lower than we expected given some of the issues that were working through data desktop business and mosaic is Joe We said will be will be brasilia. If your board at home if you're working at home, if you're working out at home, where you're doing homework.

Home, we have an after that and those apps of course are doing well the aspect of related travel are doing less well and then.

Emerging and other.

The step up and growth in February Thats, the acquisition of care.

I have a bunch of in organic growth there if you strip out care will shrink.

Year over year or were shrank year over year in February March and April and will shrink year over year throughout the rest of the year.

So that's kind of a trip around the horn, if you will I would highlight.

I started the answer which is uncertainty Bob brings here.

But again I will talk about hopefully throughout this fall we're certainly.

That will keep innovating in every business, which certainly we have a flexible.

Vince expense base and we'll certainly we're certainly we will continue to penetrate the large addressable markets in which we compete.

Thank you.

Well take our next honoring our Brad Erickson, hopefully our answer it won't be as long as Alan.

Well take our next question from Brad Erickson with Needham and company.

Hi, guys. Thanks.

Couple one for Angie and just talk about what you're seeing ROI wise stayed in the performance marketing channels in particular, and just kind of how you balance things between.

I guess is a slight drop in demand relative to what I think is probably going to less competitive advertising environment of a follow up.

Sure.

Brandon. Thanks for question, we have seen.

Cost come down across as you guys are all where across just about every channel.

And thats been to our benefit I think we have find ourselves at a very fortunate position as really the only marketplace at scale.

Solely on home services.

We are.

We have several thousand reported that like every single day with a singular focus which is how do we improve the experience for homeowners and provide best in class tools for for small businesses to reach those homeowners.

And.

We saw as you can imagine.

Stress test of our business models. Unlike anything that we would have ever wanted to see but nevertheless, it's got to see the results and as demand declined sharply in the back half March.

We saw a couple of things one obviously directly to your question, we saw cost come down across nearly every marketing channel that we used to acquire both service providers and homeowners.

But we also saw.

The resiliency of our business model to Angies list, which was only modestly affected and then at home advisor and then our marketplace segment more broadly of course, we do see the immediate effect of lower transactions, but we saw dramatic.

Gauge meant from service providers, both those that already use our platform.

Who engaged more but also.

The attraction and entrance of new service providers, who are coming for the benefits of.

What we believe is the far away the best.

Yes.

ROI tool set to reach homeowners that exist today.

April for US was incredibly strong month from a from a SP sales standpoint, we were able to bring on more Sps in April than we ever have history. The company, while also seeing improvements and engagement from the Sps already part of our network that circuit to substantially cushion.

The dramatic declines in demand.

From an overall ROI perspective, the landscape is certainly favorable at the moment and we haven't really seen that change even though as you can see for April results, we have seen a pretty strong recovery and overall consumer demand, we're still seeing relatively favorable dynamic.

From an average standpoint.

Got it that's great and then just any quick update on fixed price I mean milestones you can share and just talk about any changes or or may be accelerated expansion on the rollout of that function.

Thanks.

Yes. So there are two things with fixed price first we are.

Still investing as we said, we would and then or on a pace that that we plan to beyond.

Without a doubt would reduce the top of funnel 40, or 50% that's going to that's going to have an impact.

But that pru relative a temporary.

And in April we are back on track and saw the biggest weeks in the history of fixed price from a from a bookings and on a revenue perspective. So we're very happy with the trajectory and growth that we're seeing there which is in line or maybe a bit ahead of our expectations.

I think perhaps more importantly, we have expanded into a number of different project categories, where the projects are higher value and more complex.

And what we've been able to prove out with certainty is that there is demand from a consumer and owner standpoint, and willingness to engage with an purchase these projects digitally.

And obviously, that's the starting point gap to know that that Theres a that there's a market for these things and we've been able to prove that out and are.

Very certain that we can scale up business in these complex high value projects.

Our work ahead of US here is to.

Master if you will the fulfillment logistics around actually completing these projects they are more complex.

And.

By virtue of that Theres more work to be Don to be able to do that scale in every market on every one of the foreign markets. We serve nationwide. So those are we will continue to meet our focus for the remainder of the year, which is to scale those.

To scale and grow this because project types, we launched last year, but meaningfully.

Master fulfillment for all these new higher value project types that we've launched this year.

I think just just to drive his attention back to the values were talking about I think the initial set of categories. We launched had a tam of something like $5 billion. While the next set is in the $25 billion plus range. So were unlocking a tremendous amount of additional potential GMP Mike.

Spanning to these new categories and getting the fulfillment right as both important from a financial performance standpoint also quite clearly in terms of satisfying customers that are willing to make those purchases.

Great. Thanks.

Group.

We'll take our next question from Macquarie Carpenter with Jpmorgan.

Great. Thanks for the questions I'll bring them all hoping you could provide some more color on performance across different categories.

I would foods.

In the quarter in April and then maybe a follow up to the marketing question. Just how you think about right when we'll spend as a business starts starts to recover thank you.

Yeah, that's a great question.

In mid March and I and said this before the data canceled Gmbh season are suspended the season. The next day sort of bottom fell out nationwide and effectively every market. In every category I think people were just in shock that lasted for a couple of weeks and then we began to see a very.

We began to see very aggressive since or be shape recovery in demand, even as lockdowns, we're continuing to spread across country, which I think it's interesting.

As you as you would anticipate there's a big difference between projects that happened indoors and projects happened outside and projects that you have to do versus projects that are discretionary and what I can tell you is that where we're seeing the biggest impact isn't indoor discretionary projects. These are things like cleaning services are modeling.

Everything else, whether it's a non discretionary services and nor indoors or whether it's a out any type of outdoor project, we've seen a very strong recovery.

All of these actually are recovering quite well, but certainly indoor discretionary we continue to see hesitancy amongst consumers to take on some of those projects. So theres an area, where we continue to see some drag is there.

Quite frankly.

We were seeing a couple of things are really interesting first we've seen.

In terms of the mix of customers coming to our site we've seen since the beginning of.

Sometime in February we've seen a pretty significant shift.

In terms of mix toward new customers that weve never seen come to our marketplace before and we've got 20 year history. So we have served over that 20 years or agree a great deal of households, but we are seeing more people that we that are completely new to us as a percentage of our customers than we ever have or that we ever have of late.

I think it's really interesting to me it suggest perhaps an acceleration in terms of the ship from offline to online.

And that's obviously something we're keen to lean into people are.

As you know and are experiencing staying at home and half your alternatives in terms of their time and money and.

Sure I anything like me, you've got a list of on projects that you didn't have before that are suddenly that certainly top of mind.

How long that secular trend last I don't think any of us know quite a.

Quite a lot of uncertainty around that but for the moment.

Home is top of mind that people are spending a lot of time, there there's more wear and tear there's more desire to improve.

In terms of in terms of.

Other opportunities to differentiate answer lean into that offline to online transition.

We believe our marketplaces have always offered and advantage over traditional word of mouth referrals and the way people used to do things change in behavior as heart.

In a world of social distancing that were and at the moment and that seems to be the case for the foreseeable future. We believe our platforms offer substantial additional value to help people get worked on safely and securely and confidence.

Such and so we are rapidly introducing new features we've done so recently, including contact those payments.

Calling.

The ability for providers indicate what cautions they take a when they come into your outs.

And and so on and we have more to come we think that we can meaningfully deliver value to homeowners and the Sps to help them, both feel comfortable and actually be safe and getting and getting home projects done and I think in doing so we can help drive a recovery.

And then helping people feel comfortable and getting those discretionary indoor projects done enough to pick focus for us for the rest of the year terms channel ROI.

This is pretty straightforward, we always managed to do.

Our margin requirement in every channel from an ROI standpoint.

The the favorability of rates makes it.

Easy for us to lean and I think one of the areas, where we have had held back a bit has been in TV, but TV rates at least for the moment are extremely favorable and you'll see as lean in there over the balance of Q2 and hopefully the rest of the year if that holds.

But otherwise we always manage to.

The.

ROI target based on a margin requirement and we continue to do so.

Thank you.

No.

Our next question comes from Kunal, Matt O'connor with Deutsche Bank.

Hi, Thanks for taking the question.

Hi, Good picture question in terms of looking at the portfolio that you have.

Oh.

Sorry.

Looking at the bigger portfolio, you have and how you intend to manager for the for the long term how should investors kind of look at you know milestones that you said, how do we measure.

How do we make sure you against those milestones.

Turning to understand.

The portfolio strategy going forward and how wonderful kind of evaluate things on on a.

Basis.

Thanks.

Thanks.

It's a great question the.

Sure look at idea, we still look at IP in pieces in the sort of one aggregate revenue or one aggregate earnings and I think that will remain true post separation from.

Yes.

So so you really do you have to answer that question then getting to be.

Okay, and JV Homeservices enhance he is we still thing in the very early stages of its market penetration in a very large market. The things that we're doing in product right now look like to add more agile to us to unlock a lot more of that market and brain.

James consumer behavior in a way where it becomes much more naturally for consumers at becomes much more natural sorry for consumers and service professionals to transact online to get jobs.

That is a that's what we're looking for Andrew on certainly the part that come through and increased demand increase supply and ultimately increase revenue in that business.

But thats what were looking for in that business and we would be disappointed we can't global business multiple bigger than it is right now by executing at some of the thing that we've already discussed and and our product profile.

And maybe how similar story I think meaningfully out in the last couple of months, but.

Believe every business needs video and.

Will we look at subscribers and gross bookings and ultimately both of those things both revenue and the drivers of that.

Again, it's not multiple bigger loaded right now I believe in video we will appeal. We're on a good trajectory we need to continue that trajectory. We continue to innovate new product, where we continue to make it easier to use the tools for more small businesses entities to be able to use equal that it's helping roll into the store but.

Uhhuh.

The current trajectory has to continue with product innovation.

And if thats true again, you could see a business local bigger than is right now.

Got to ask is is a.

Sure anywhere both publisher in aggregate I think has done incredibly well by focusing on the right thing to the right kind of content per consumers to be digestible to be precious fast. This.

Practice content bad this site.

With that they've got a wonderful job on that but if you look even at that they have to go look at that that into pieces and say in healthcare. We had we could be more was bigger than we are right now in finance with Investopedia and the balance we could be multiple of bigger each of those area in home same story and each of those areas. We have a much bigger competitor and at what we're going after.

To build that business.

And then care Dot com would be the other big growth engine that are in there and there's there is care is probably 30 times bigger than the next competitor, but it's still a tiny fraction of the market of what happens offline and we all know what will be much more convenient if you could book.

Reliable high quality, good caregiver with a quick and now that being a multi interaction process and that's what we're trying to put in place that what we put in place at care with sorry, what we put in place that service magical on Gram gold as involved business, we have today and I think thats.

What's possible of care. So those are the big growth engine and I think.

We're really excited about each one of those maybe we won't get all of them right, but I think there on the right path that trajectory and glass piece outside of those.

Businesses of core heavily about a smaller businesses working for working on those are our my earlier the black These is the cash and.

We will have a large pro forma for the.

Match separation and depending on.

Well good equity sale, we will have a substantial pile of cash and when we look at where the kind of world is heading right now and where the market is having where we're hopeful that there's opportunities to deploy that cash.

In in the past when we've been very well capitalized in markets that have been.

More talent, we've been able to do well with all cash and putting it to war and that's certainly going to be our goal through through this period and we should certainly be jagid billions and directly on how we deal with that cash.

Thank you operator next question please.

Well take our next question from Jason how signed with Oppenheimer.

Thank you question is one I just wanted to dig a little more into Angie then a follow up on cat so down to present, an April very impressive given.

Over to scare people from having professionals in their house.

And then.

I wanted to focus to the extent that a 30 year Dnbi is coming from discretionary project and I'm, adding people are delaying that what does that mean for the other two thirds.

Called necessary project.

I mean did that actually grow if you could kind of sounds like cohort those two and how you're thinking about that and then the second question.

How did caridad Tom avoid liability during cold.

Thanks.

Yeah. Thanks, Jason for the question two thirds is is nondiscretionary as we've always said, but a big chunk of the discretionary is also outside and people seem very very comfortable getting the outdoors work done.

So when you boil that all down only only to endure nondiscretionary has been impacted and it has been impacted we're seeing it you recover.

So you know some but not back to where it was previously.

I think the short answer to your question as we entered April.

At a major deficit and we exit with some strength.

Overall, as Joey said earlier theres lot of uncertainty around.

The nature of that strength you couldn't you can postulate that it is a blade demand or pent up demands from the sort of period of shock in late March.

On the other end it could be the beginning of a sort of secular.

You know.

Boom in home services from people being in their home much more than they were before and with much more focus on on.

Spending time in the home and.

In a world, where you can't go to restaurants, having people over to dinner in their home and so on so for it. So I think the future is very uncertain.

And the dispersion of outcomes is very wide, what we feel confident about as.

Certainly that we're in a pretty strong position financially we're financial performance I think in April is good given the situation.

And we think we can make a real differences and the world we're living in here for the at least the near and medium term.

Terms of accelerating people from offline to online and providing them features that make a material difference in terms of getting them over the hump and being comfortable and getting that indoor work done.

We believe that indoor work Dunkin' ultimate indoor work and ultimately be done safely.

If people are following the right guidelines and have confidence and how it's being done and that's a huge focus for us.

That's the kind that the overview, but we're definitely seeing and everything but indoor discretionary we're definitely seeing a lot of a lot of focus and demand in those areas.

Yes.

Our resilient Jason is not just discretionary non discretionary as you know and were 500 different categories. As you know were 400 different markets and just to talk about geography for a second obviously, we saw a bigger hit in the higher the storm areas, So Pacific northwest northeast and northern part of the Midwest, but another area.

As of the country.

Things.

Things play out a lot better recall in times of reduced demand Estes need us more.

And.

We're seeing that we're seeing that now given.

When he said earlier the ROI to NSP on our platform is pretty significantly better them.

Better than competing competing platforms. We've talked previously for every dollar you spend at the 25 30 X.

Return on that dollar and then additionally, as you know I think we talk about this and are in the last letter of fixed cost base here is up.

It's quite low and our variable cost bases, 70% to 80% of the total so we can adjust our expense base. If we so choose and this year, we may not but if we could adjust or our cost base with reduced demand.

I'm sure to accommodate them they see.

In a lot of you will probably came in the.

Liability landscape of Cold related thing is certainly evolving on the regulatory question.

Its a.

Policy question, and we just don't know get how that's going to shake out.

I can tell you is that one of the benefits of using the platform is that the interactions are more limited. So you can find somebody decides about the reliable and you're sort of field of exposure is effectively one to one.

It seems that systems of course that everybody nor are we looking forward. When you can verify that somebody is.

Safer has antibody there has been tested that can impact some things like that we'll try to avail ourselves of all those tools.

But I am told those things become available one one and we.

Somewhat beneficial thing there is limited interactions limited interactions with bigger grows to changes it's it's smaller.

Field of exposure there both COFC, how that that landscape evolves at some point there is.

Responsibility between.

People, making decisions of weapons floated, they're comfortable with almost close to the not comfortable with and allow that had been informed by both the regulatory environment and.

Government.

Recommendations.

Next question.

Thank you well take our next question from Dan Salmon with BMO capital markets.

Great Good morning, everyone.

First for Joey and maybe both brand as well.

Yesterday shard talks about more use of video to more female engagement and it seems like that's an opportunity for sort of specific product development for match that.

Has emerged due to two co good.

You've already spoken a little bit about accelerated shifts of behavior change right.

Can you point to maybe some areas, where you already see specific product opportunities for LNG or across the IC businesses Joey Didnt, you'll see what seems like an obvious one, but but any others that you'd highlight would be great to hear and then just a second for Glenn you activated the option to sell up to 1.5 billion to match stock.

Can you elaborate on your thinking and the timing for that what sort of disclosures, we can expect going forward and any other concepts that would be great.

Sure.

Financing video and I'll hit the IC Barton level.

Yes. So let me give you just two examples were excited about first we introduced contact with payments.

Just in this last quarter contact with payment means that any project that has submitted across the entire homeadvisor marketplace, not just fixed price, but any project.

I'd now be paid for from the consumer to DSP through the home advisor App and obviously that offers a level of convenience is attractive to people anyway, but in a time usocial distancing and situation. We're in nobody wants to exchange, a check or cash or have to.

Frankly interact in person if they can avoid at.

The timing for interest in context payment is obviously perfect.

And if you think about the potential impact of that if if we can close the loop on a significant number of the projects get completed in our marketplace remember were.

Our GMB for the entire marketplace north of $10 billion, we can close the loop from a from a transactional standpoint, the opportunity to test different business models.

Produce things like the opportunity for financing.

And maybe and more basic way someplace drive deeper engagement and convenience to our customers.

To drive more loyalty and and.

Ultimately more you know a longer lifetime longer lifetime value is really significant so I I don't think we can be any more excited about about feature than we are about contact was payment. We also introduced video calling this is this was very specific to the situation and able to consumer and Espy's talk via video through our App.

The consumer is obviously I. Appreciate this for reasons that are obvious in terms of social distancing.

Espy's appreciate it to the same reason, but they actually are attracted to attracted to it for a different reason, which is if they can save a trip across town.

I'd say, it's time and expense and mix and enables them to run their business much more efficiently. We're seeing real affinity for this feature from our service providers and if he was interesting about all that do these features we're always there and the benefits could have always been derived when you think about running your business sufficiently but what what people need is something to get them over the hump.

Making that behavioral change in terms of how they operate their business and this situation is forcing that.

Both book by as it's happening these folks are learning and understanding the benefits and when the situation resolves itself, which we all know will the behaviors are going to change you're not going to go back. So we are seeing behavioral change driving people toward the digital features and we expect those to be lasting changes in terms of how people.

Conduct business.

Yes, I agree with that you can't expand that that business is that just.

Good morning, and Vimeo, we've seen just as a couple of examples.

Kids' channels that the big.

User of the Neos tools, we've seen fifteenx increase in sign ups and kids' channels. So we don't monetize that but the point is that the the people who run those kids channels see that benefit in there and reaching its kind of volumes.

Well, a personal trainers gems business expert. These are individuals were putting up their own channels and seeing something like five an increase in demand.

Port that bringing more channels onto our platform, which is important for our business.

So.

You could see it throughout Vimeo and all the places that vimeo touches of the economy and all the kinds of different businesses that that.

No touch is I think thats, probably decide what what you mentioned to match our branding just talked about handy I think that the main areas where video impact that I mean that that due to the video as a tool to communicate and we'll continue to use video as a tool, but that it's not like I don't think a fundamental change in user behavior like yours.

Being now where people who previously would only communicate fair use use text or pictures as a tool and their use video as a tool and where it can replace or supplement and I think long term supplement is really important.

Physical presence.

Regarding that.

I'd like I like your choice awards activate the option.

We will set.

Ill be escalate.

That was done to register the building five shares.

You may settle and again those shares will be thumb sharing of match common stock in the separation people may have been a little confused by that as those shares will call cost them and thats simply due to the mechanics of the transaction.

A lot of technical that go into going into that but given the shares will not be delivered to the buyers until closing those shares will not be entitled to the $3 per share.

Cash cash distribution. This island gives us the public will be option, if not the obligation to sell those shares which depending on market conditions as Joe We said in the letter we may in fact, the do and the sale of the shares will not happen.

Up until the transaction closing, which we expect to be shortly after the shareholder vote.

On June 2027, but we can enter into transactions and agreements to sell the shares with potential buyers prior prior to.

Thanks, Dan I just had a one more example, with it at 91 would've been one in Blue crew, where were you asking employers with that.

And for employees in that light industrial temp labor space, we're able to bring employees on through video interviews and actually sorry same is true in care Dotcom, we've talked about this and layer, where you can hire people over video and that makes things again, it reduces contact but also it make things a lot.

More convenient for the person doing hiring and allows us to build the tools that enable other people to scale.

The scale their systems to drive conversion to essentially a family can scale by doing a lot more by being able to meet with.

Caregivers or employer meet with.

Workers buy back to anything over video and being able to improve announced America things over time.

Great. Thank you everyone all right.

Next question basically.

Next question comes from Eric Sheridan with.

Thanks, So much for taking my question was double Bob Hurst.

Comments on stop loss on.

Level of success from Sci direct response, and commerce wanted to get a little more granularity on wouldn't Lucien and what that might.

How you will lie sort of engagement and monetization inside that part of the company for the long term.

I know without giving guidance for the full year would go on a couple of moving pieces. This year, we just want to mature.

Clarified comes on the spin costs, the pure dot com acquisition costs down mid teens, let me call about before just as we mature where some of those individual pieces.

Paul in June through the fiscal year flexible.

I'll, let Glen do the second part.

In terms of the performance marketing piece of got Dash.

It is.

Fiscal there's there's.

Really hundreds of the advertisers using those tools.

Platform and so it's starting to scale really nicely and starting to diversified.

The key in there I mean, you started going to gave and renovation the key in there and then is.

Having content actionable. So for example, finding a brokerage account number one right why do I need a brokerage account what do I do whatever everything or how do I do certain things around there. That's the kind of content that would be exists and that would be in the balance but also within there is okay, where should I opened a brokerage here what are the rate of one versus the other one of the rates a matter whether.

The rates that are likely to be some of that affects me and my kind of account ever get somebody else in their current account.

Building those tool between those two are completely in partially the great thing about what we're doing as we're coming here from scratch. So we don't need to protect and revenue willing to bet protect anybody revenue here. Our goal is just to deliver for the consumer and so long as we're just delivering to the consumer that impartial fastest breakfast information.

Then sometimes they click through the advertisers and better that get my bad, but thats. Our goal. Our goal is to make that content in areas, where content driven but the look to deliver that that been barthel content for users and so on that we continue to do that across a very wide range of categories. I think we'll be able to monetize it because the users are coming.

With the intent, we don't need to get what they're doing we don't need to Cookie then we don't need to understand the demographic information, we don't need to understand their personally identifiable information. We know assembly looking for brokerage account get looking for brokerage account netbook matters. So the folks on the outside of that advertising equation, yeah in terms of our.

One off costs related to the separation in the and the acquisition.

Fair enough on costs or about $40 million.

Which.

Our who's going to be deferred revenue you saw 13 million of that already in the first quarter, we think there'll be a similar amount in the second quarter and then the balance will be split roughly equally in the third and fourth quarter, maybe a little weighted for the third.

Thats care in terms of the spin cost, we estimate that about $20 million.

8 million of which was in the first quarter the west of it will be in the second quarter that'll be in the corporate line the care cost sorry, it will be in the emerging and other line item in the third cost as you said the.

Funding of the endowment the IC fellow from downward and.

Celebration devices, 25th year that will be $25 million and that will hit in the corporate line during the second quarter.

All right next question.

Next question comes from Ross Sandler with Barclays.

Hey, guys.

Barry was on TV, a couple of weeks ago and mention that you're looking at large deals so given how the environment for private company financing it changed.

The last six months, how are you thinking about large versus small deal size versus buyback and what caused the topic do you think you're.

No you're most interested in is it still kind of two sided marketplaces.

And then second question is just spend mechanics. So.

You guys have said the goal should be completed.

On June 25th.

And then we go when issued with the new shares Retrading by the end of.

Second quarter before June Thirtyth.

Any color on what happens after June twice that they fall.

Sure and deal size or elsewhere, we're looking at everything.

Mall to big share repurchases, what else would definitely be in the mix. The the I guess the one thing that that is perhaps changed is that some.

Big deals have gotten smaller recently and so or may get smaller soon and that may create some opportunity I don't think that there's a fundamental shift in how we think about capital or we think about deploying capital or or our willingness to is that the company, which we havent historically been willing to do and I don't think will.

We'll do going forward, but there are opportunities that may become available in.

Environment with a lot of dislocation and we would certainly look at those.

And and give repair shop, so that I think really it on deals that when you want to do the other question on the mechanics.

As you said the shareholders. The 20 fit we expect the ball securities.

The transaction to be done by the ended the quarter.

So call it in and around June Thirtyth, and then open the two traffic at two to stock will trade that fits ethylene obviously, there's a lot of complexity in that but to simplify I think we had an example.

In the previous letter a little bit updated for this letter and IP shareholder who will share of IC.

On July along that same share of privacy and then based on stock prices.

Last night file will will get 2.38 pairs of Matt.

Well ourselves of the option to sell the billion five we'll get.

2.18, or 2.17 shares shares of.

It should all that obviously will depend on the stock prices.

Prior to.

The stock prices Africa appetite.

But it's a mechanics are simple and effort refer you back to the deck we.

Presented in December, which I think did a really nice job of the mystifying, what yes, because a complicated transaction.

Thank you.

Question.

Well go next question from Nick Jones with Citi.

Okay. Thank you all for taking my question I guess, just on care Dot com and the shareholder letter.

Quite the opportunity.

You called out rapid booking video interviews improved matching of didn't expand on the opportunity and maybe what the use cases today as it gets more kind of long term care and what you see the use cases.

In the future.

Sure I do think long term care is still very much going to be a focus of care.

Forever.

What though we're trying to do is also open up to 78 million babysitting short term duration child care jobs, and what that does besides being a new revenue opportunities to target hopefully drive frequency.

The platform, where it is easy every week and when you need care for and how there are a child you can go on pressed the button and get it done that I think people also turned to us for the.

Long term care and other kinds of care in their home. That's the goal on that the market is quite large most families need care at some point and families in a certain with.

Certain age range need care very frequently over the course of a year.

And obviously things ebb in the school being available in daycare Theres being available right now certainly changes a lot of the dynamics, but hopefully in ways, where we can satisfy incremental consumer demand. So that the the opportunity I think a very large ones the business was.

Rolling when we bought it and I think that there are lots opportunity to optimize some of the tools inside of there to make them work more efficiently to drive conversion to allow.

Easier enrollment.

And if we can just get some of that blocking and tackling done and even before creating wildly new innovative tools. We can we can drive real.

Okay.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you one more question please operator.

Well take our next question from you call erroneous with Wedbush Securities.

Hey, guys. Good morning, and thanks for the question. So I wanted to ask between too.

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M&A question, not not focusing on deal size, but.

Hi, how are your outlook on target.

Companies may have changed in the current environment right, but for example, <unk> E. Commerce is really on a cash shine through in and that's kind of environment, maybe other businesses that are more.

Both the local maybe gotten more challenges so no change in kind of target companies that.

You might be interested.

And pursuing and then on Angie I'm just talk you talk about.

The sales channel being very productive ROI.

As as people are getting you know maybe I'll, just similar everybody up a little bit surprised in some of the resiliency in that business.

Can you help maybe give some color what what the discussions alike with Estes, our ROI higher or lower today, given kind of.

Incremental offers plus you've got people on onto the platform.

Just a little bit of inside and what those discussions all right. Thanks.

Great and wanting to do the Angela bird close out with the.

A question.

So the nature of the business model, particularly in our marketplace segment is very resilient.

Yes, consumer demand there as the more obviously providers need us and as you guys know we we've.