Q1 2020 Earnings Call
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Good morning, and welcome to for Trust first quarter 2020 earnings Conference call.
Today's call assisted by Carl Watson Junior the company's Chief Executive Officer, and Charlie Brown.
Chief Financial Officer.
Thank you and good morning, everyone. Welcome to four church first quarter 2020 earnings Conference call.
Today's call is little different given the curling iron separate locations.
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Please remember that our comments today may include forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties actual results may differ materially from those indicated or implied by such statements.
Some of the most important risks are described in detail in the company's FCC filings, including our annual report on form 10-K, and our quarterly report on form 10-Q filed last night.
The company does not undertake any duty to update such forward looking statements.
Additionally, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures during the call, including EBITDA EBITDA margin adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin and free cash flow.
Can find a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure and other related information, including a discussion of why we considered these measures useful to investors and our earnings release.
Now I'll turn the call the call over to Carl.
Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you being in the call with US today, and we apologize for the the delay.
I Hope you and your families are well you're managing through the challenges created by Cold Midnight Pete.
Before I go any further though I'd like to make take a moment to think all of our Forterra teammates. We have people who are working from home and people were going into our manufacturing facilities on a daily basis.
I've been impressed by how well we have transitioned to remote work, we did not missed a beat and in fact, we're taking this time to improve many of our processes by eliminating waste a more effective.
In fact, if you get radius, we had ever announced our results is a testament to the recent improvements are administrated teams had made.
Our commercial improvement initiatives have continued despite sheltering in place many of our salespeople have taken this time to complete this first level certification in our commercial excellent process well before internal expectations.
We have remain connected with customers and are committed to the commercial improvement initiatives that are being reflected in our results today.
The wonderful wonderful people that manufacturing facilities safely come to work everyday deserves special thank you.
For their resilience in determination to serve our customers and for continuing to focus on the plant level operational disciplines needed to improve unit margins, we would not continue to persevere without them.
Although I am pleased by results for the quarter and the progress we have made giving the effects of coded 19, I sat across the country I'm going to folks the majority of my comments on the company specific impacts in our operation responses.
Charlie will then discuss some of the key numbers with our first.
Within our first quarter results as well since factor to consider as you think about our business going forward.
We entered 2020 with tremendous momentum and strong demand and this is reflected in that 13% revenue growth, 78% adjusted EBITDA growth and 65% improvement free cash flow during the first quarter compared to last year's first quarter.
These results exceeded our internal expectations for the quarter.
We're seeing solid progress from its focus on a five improvement pillars throughout the organization.
We believe we still have further opportunity ahead of us, but have real traction it tend to stay committed to our course, despite kobe 19 related demand uncertainty.
Being an essential business, we did not see a significant negative impact to our business results during the first quarter.
Still you must planned for and respond to potential negative effects of this fantastic.
I will take a few minutes to provide updates on the health and safety from employees and actions. We've taken did they just a patient potential demand weakness.
Our number one priority has always been safety health and welfare about people.
We have strictly adhere to the recommendations in guidelines promoted by the CDC and local community health departments, where we operate while continuing to provide business continuity to our customers.
Do we implemented safeguards amongst many include enhanced location cleaning processes remote working accommodations suspended group activities travel restrictions and enhance social dispensing practices in our factories.
We're also using technology, where possible to can still take customer orders and other interactions.
Further reduced direct contact.
We are fortunate the normal activities within our factories encouraged social distant.
Sure our productivity has not been materially affected did the enhanced protocols get put in place.
Our management team has been connect the top to bottom in a daily basis.
We monitor best practices, the making employee health and safety net net swift action as needed.
From a demand standpoint, the pandemic did not impact our first quarter shipments and noticeable way.
Our backlog, even with the impacting the pandemic is stronger than it was last year at this time in or water business and it's nearly a strong in or drainage business.
He strong backlogs give a short term demand confidence, but due to the evolving nature of this pandemic. We are uncertain, we are as uncertain as everyone else.
After the later stages at the second quarter in the back half of the year.
Due to the essential nature of our products and the current environment fiscal stimulus. We're hoping the main demands for our product will be relatively unscathed. However, hope it's not a strategy.
We have created plans to addressing various levels of potential declining demand.
Transitioning to our operations at this point in time, we have not close any facilities due to kind of buyers issues.
More than 70% of our cost of goods sold for either variable or semi variable, which gives us the ability to quickly respond to any potential changes in demand.
We also were addressing our fixed cost structure to the extent possible.
We didn't near term being highly unpredictable, you're taking responsible preemptive actions without significantly inhibiting our ability to rebalance when things return to normal.
We have taken various precautionary actions to reduce cost and conserve operational cash flow, including implementing a hiring freeze minimizing overtime.
Drilling annual merit increases voluntarily, reducing executive and board compensation eliminate expenses that did not contribute to the short term operations of our business in renegotiating contracts wherever possible.
We're also checking inventory across all of our facility daily to ensure we had inventories necessary to satisfy our customers' needs, but don't overproduce and have the ability to look for cost savings.
Lastly, we have put a halt and all non essential capital study.
In addition to be actually taken.
In addition to the actually take we have taken so far.
We also had extensive contingency plans in place if our product volumes were to begin to meaningful decline in the coming months.
Fortunately.
This is not the first time the members of our leadership team had been through the period of extreme economic uncertainty in this past experience will serve us well during this turbulent time.
Just last week, we completed art in death quarterly reviews of each of our businesses and a less this week exercise with a heightened sense of confidence in our management team and believe we can successfully navigate our way through any situation be band.
With that I'll turn it over to chart.
Thank you Carl.
I'd first like to spend a few minutes discussing for tours liquidity and provide some context, how we're positioned for these uncertain times.
We are highly Levered company that over the past year, we've demonstrated our commitment and capability to improve our leverage by focusing on our core pillars.
During the past quarter, we again delivered improving cash generation from the prior years period.
Reducing our leverage ratio advised your 0.3 times.
As well as having the confidence to publish a leverage target of three to three and a half times adjusted EBITDA.
Our first quarter started well and we considered our voluntary prepayment under our term loan as we hadn't both the third and fourth quarters in 2019.
As a pandemic progressed, however, we shifted our stance and initiate a cash conservation activities, including focused capital spending as Carl described in his comments.
As a result in the quarter, our free cash flow improved by more than 40 million over the prior year period.
Out of an abundance of caution we drew down 180 million on our ABL revolver and ended the quarter with 182 million of cash or retaining the flexibility to draw over 70 million more.
As our term loan.
And our term loan which represents the bulk of our leverage.
It's not due until October 2023.
We have included information regarding our liquidity position in the presentation, we shared last night on page nine.
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We know that our leverage ratio leverage does raise concerns with some of our stakeholders.
We understand her business our sources and uses of cash and believe we have the people in tools to navigate our way through this pandemic.
As Carl mentioned, we've taken a number of actions already designed extensive contingency plans to be implemented if a product volumes begin to meaningfully decline.
For example, and for illustrative purposes, only outlined a scenario focused on the remaining quarters of 2020.
If we assume a 50% decline in both our residential and nonresidential demand, which represents 50% of our business.
And the 20% decline of municipal infrastructure demand, we would expect to 35% decline in total demand for the remainder of the year.
Incorporating actions taken to date as well as yes, you have been implemented.
We could still end the year with as much liquidity as we currently possess.
I want to stress. This scenario does not reflect management's prediction of demand, but the highlight that approximately 70% or cost of goods sold our variable, giving us a powerful lover lever during these rapidly evolving times.
We have run various versions of this model something different challenges in different actions and based on our analysis. We believe we had the resources and ability to weather the year under most reasonably foreseeable circumstances with ample cash remaining and your liquidity issues.
[noise], Let me now briefly review our first quarter operating performance by segment starting with drainage.
With drainage I'll focus my comments on explaining how revenue increased slightly year over year with higher prices and lower volumes, while our gross margin remained relatively flat.
The late winter and early spring season has always been a volatile time for drainage as lower volumes can accentuate the impact of product and geographic mix.
As well as the result emerging.
Well the average selling prices this quarter were favorable approximately 60% of this price impact is the result of mix.
Product mix accounts for a portion of this inflation as we sold higher price and cost products.
The geographic mix was also factor as lower shipments in Texas due to poor weather resulted in higher prices lower margins.
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Our pricing in Texas is about average compared to the other states in which we operate.
But due to more efficient operations margins in Texas are typically higher than other regions.
That's less volume in Texas yield less attractive mix for margins.
That result, both product and geographic mix for the quarter is relatively flat margins to the previous year.
Achieving flat margins given both the product and geographic mix highlights the strength and opportunity within this business.
Switching over to our water segment that business demonstrated significant improvements in revenue.
Gross margin and adjusted EBITDA as compared to last year.
Well, we realized the benefits of higher prices.
Shipment volumes were also higher year over year as our customers returned to normal buying patterns as compared to their de stocking in the first half of 2019.
In addition, during the quarter, we also benefited from the lower scrap costs year over year.
As a result of all these factors water adjusted EBITDA more than doubled in the current quarter compared to last year.
Our corporate adjusted EBITDA loss was inline with our internal plans for the quarter increase year over year, primarily reflected our investment in our people processes and systems.
Our Q1 results reflect our execution of for tourists five improvement pillars, which or safety.
Went level operational discipline.
Enhance commercial capabilities, working capital efficiency and general and administrative expenses.
As Carl discussed earlier, we are cautiously preparing ourselves for headwinds, while continuing to execute on or improvement pillars.
Although we have withdrawn or guidance for the remainder of 2020 in light of economic uncertainty generated by the could've been pandemic, we remain committed to where mid term de leveraging target of three to three and half times in the next few years.
This concludes our prepared remarks, operator will you. Please open the line for questions.
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And your first question is from Rohit Seth with Suntrust.
Hey, Good morning, guys. This is Tom Buckley on for Scott.
I hope you're families on your cells are going well during a time.
You got that some really good results in the water business and it looks like the price increases.
Sneaking in flowing through the earnings.
Can you remind us of what the price increases you implemented and animal they are.
Moving forward or the second half of the here.
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We 18% increase in July.
In a 6% increase in October.
I want to go back a little bit historically this business has had and had very low.
So that the down margins for a business that has a very low asset turns.
With that operates in a very good market structure.
We've had a 10% increase in July of 6% increase in October both of those are sticky in both of those are relatively large, but we had a big hole to come out of.
So they are sticking there's no reason for us to think that they're not going to continue to stick, we see nothing in our bidding activity that would suggest that the they would not sick and certainly myself and because the present the.
And that business in our commercial genes are absolutely committed to.
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Great that's really helpful.
Moving on to you guys have seen a margin tailwind for some time geared to the lower scrap steel cost do you think there's more savings to be had there. They pass through your cost of goods sold or do you think we've kind of settled at a low level here.
This the scrap steel market is so volatile or it has its largest increases after its largest decline.
So it'll be up and down our long term strategy, though is is to decouple, our pricing from scrap prices.
To where we are our prices need to get to a point that when scrap is in the upper quartile levels, we'd be we turn our cost of capital if it falls below that will make pretty good money. If it goes above that will both you know struggle for a few months.
So scrap is is as it has continued to come down we think that it's largely maybe sort of hit its bottom right now where it's going to trade in the coming months.
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It's highly variable and largely I know, but Ah it does correlate very well too.
Oil prices are historically has as oil prices have come down scrap has come down but this is not an ordinary time.
So scrap inventories are low across the country that scrap demand is low across the country, so supply and demand or a sort of equalizing at a very low level.
So we don't see like you guys like assignments that scrap pricing.
Great. Thank you so much appreciate it.
Thanks, Tom.
Our next question is from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.
Yes, hi, good morning, everyone had a nice to hear you folks are doing well.
Carl I never if you could talk about relative to get to pricing announcements give them.
You know, but tailwind and let the commitments in the business what level at realization do we have been <unk> first quarter results and you know what's the cadence look like.
Arms of when do you have enough.
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Through two to see the price increases.
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Oh, I I think you're you're seeing a good portion of the July increase flowing through and this and this quarter I would tell you see embrace a small part of the October increase flowing through in this quarter.
We had announced that an increase for April.
We we send it that in the wake of vis a vis a pandemic.
And we'll reevaluate in October.
The stuff that was prudent to do from a customer standpoint.
But we still think that with what we had in place and recruiting bidding activity and what's your bidding and winning work yet.
The two increases from July and October still have multiple quarters to still flow through.
One of the things that we did in that in April what to do things, we didnt, but when we announced a.
A price increase on a raw materials, it's just the based products.
There's a lot to add ons that go along with the based product and we noticed and an increase in those prices in threeq.
We shortened we've put in pretty processes to shorten that the tail.
We wouldn't be extended the price increase we just presented the price increased about the other two so in April we will get a de facto increase on the accessories that we send out and by shortening the tail that should.
Make our future increases go through it at a faster rate. The jury. We think we don't do anything else, we still have multiple quarters, so pricing agreement that will flow through.
Okay. Thank you and in terms of at the level of bid activity in April it sounds like based on your comments you're shipping volumes remain quite favorable I think you still have the easy comp in the water business friendly destock last year. So it sounds like shipments have been pretty good people based on your prepared.
Marks I can you just backtracked me on that and talk about what the bid pipeline cadence has been in April compared to last year.
Yeah I'm Jerry this is Charlie I would I'd just add that I'm you know it isn't our our 10-Q, we did put out that the April volumes that we've seen through yesterday.
Were for water were inline with prior year.
So as you'd indicated that might be a little bit lower than what we're saying obviously in the past a three months of 2020, but still very solid ended drainage were down about a 15% through April I'll, let Karl comments on the bidding activity that we've seen most recently that would.
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It doesn't appear to be typical ABS could be.
Typically had inflows in a normal environment.
James business I'm, a little bit the same.
But there is a portion of our games business residential construction to that it's.
Then why do we publicly acknowledged that a lot of the homebuilders are putting often do lot development.
So probably in mid March we saw a lot of residential subdivisions go one hole they weren't cancelled they didn't come out of our backlog, but they did go on hold however, just recently, yes, I mean in what is potentially could be our hardest hit market Houston, we've actually had a few of those subdivisions release.
And they took a pause.
But now they said no we're going to go ahead. Please no those are anecdotal but are you could they show a glimmer of hope that residential may not be as bad as what we were internally.
Essentially planning tool.
So I would say overall, Jerry that bidding activity is still relatively robust.
Okay I appreciate the discussion thank you.
Your next question is from Daniel Wang with their capital.
Hey, guys. Thanks, Thanks for taking my question I, just a quick question on the water segment.
You didn't mention that.
I suppose shipments in April our roughly flat year over year have you seen any changes and distributor activity in the wake of the pandemic.
I would say the only change in activity is that they're trying to conserve cash too so stock orders I mean, bringing stuff into inventory has lessened a bit. So we have to sort of take that into consideration. When we say shipments are relatively flat.
And if we added the normal stock order.
Volumes that would have typically been there.
They had been a little bit better than flat. So that is the only thing that I have seen that we've seen.
That is that is.
Meaningfully different.
Perfect and just one other point on the Capex I suppose I know the initial guidance was for 45 to 55 million.
Q1 was notably down from last year, just how much about 45 to 55 billion is how much I said I suppose I budgeting in for 2020.
We think that we could.
Reduce your capex spending by 20 to 25 million and still not.
Damage the business to be able to take advantage the upside coming out of this.
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Thank you for the thank you for taking my questions.
Your next question is from Ryan Frank with RBC capital markets.
Hey, guys. This is Ryan Frank on for Mike Dahl, Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a strong quarter before for all of the started I just want to first follow up on the drainage volumes in April how much of that would you attribute to kind of a texas or geographic differences versus kind of in end market.
Matt.
That's a great question I'm going to broaden the range this probably more than half of that was due to.
Texas.
There's also some small weakness and in a in Florida.
But between the two of those that would be the the majority of it.
It really wasn't so much in in market weakness as to whether and ER.
Some delays are we seeing some backlog in Florida.
So very strong backlogs, but there's been delayed leases.
Okay not yeah.
Hi, Thank you and then my second one is I know corporate expenses have been kind of a big focus point for you guys is here.
With all the cost cutting actions can you help quantify you know you think they can be flat year over year dollar wise. This year down some just a little bit of on occasion on the corporate side.
Sure This is Charlie.
Obviously, we didn't expect this pandemic we had in place.
Planning for more of a flat.
Corporate expense for 2020, and now I believe with depend dynamic.
Some extra incentive to move their spend that we haven't we mentioned this now on on process and.
And systems that spend needs to be made so that we can realize some benefits at the same time, though we have lots of costs and now we have a lot more time to focus on this call noted during his comments that we were able to close the books faster this quarter than we ever happen and be prepared for this.
All that much sooner.
All those things are beginning to show benefit.
Well there is cost that will be continue to grow hopefully as we put in better systems, well be able to start taking out costs as well. It's certainly during this pandemic, we're very focused on that and we'll see that come down. So I would I would look for flat to slightly improved corporate costs.
It it is a long struggle as you know right to take out some of these costs. As you know we had multiple systems, we still run multiple systems that need to a need to be synchronized.
And other activities that just are not as efficient as we would like those are definitely part of our.
Pillars to focus on and I think we're making good progress there.
Awesome. Thank you guys very much.
That's right.
Your next question.
With Barclays.
Hey, good morning, Thanks for taking the question hope everyone's doing well.
Wanted to ask about the energy markets in Texas in Houston, just in light of what's happening with oil you know could you.
Perhaps size your exposure to the energy complex there I know you called out in the queue that there was perhaps a little bit of impact there already in Q1, So you know whether direct or indirect.
Project exposure kind of how you guys are thinking about the impacts there going forward like it.
Well, there's there's two sides of that coin for us.
The the bad found that coin is as we have a fairly large business in Houston.
And when the oil sector suffers in Houston.
Construction is going to too.
To suffer a marginally.
And the layoffs residential construction will be a bit less like it wasn't 14 15.
However, Houston is not the oil dependent and as we saw in 14 15. It. So it wasn't as bad as people had expected, but we certainly think that our business in Houston will.
When 2021 will be affected by.
What's going on in the Bull markets.
Decided that coin though is that.
Oil and gas segment takes a very large amount of scrap metal and once the economy starts coming back right. It will if oil market still remain relatively depressed scrap prices will stay down for an extended period of time, there's a very direct correlation in a normal operating environment, where scrap prices are.
Hi, highly correlated to oil pricing.
So net net we will take that penny because that would actually be a better outcome for us.
If you had good.
To suffer through this so there's there's bad things to happen to us in Houston. The good thing. So that's happened in scrap pricing this oil demand, but we see net net.
Not a huge effect on our results.
Okay, Karl that that's really helpful.
And then secondly, I was wondering if you guys could perhaps give an estimate of decremental margins. You know if volumes are under a little bit of pressure sounded like a little bit more so in that on the drainage side you know I hear you on the variable cost structure, but you know when you think about whats fixed here.
To what extent can you flex SGN, <unk>, and what sort of that resulting decremental on the volume side like it.
Yeah, you know what I'd say on that one Matthew we typically have that issue that exposure and the first quarter anyway, just because volumes are so variable due to the startup of the construction season.
So weve built a pretty focused capability on being able to flex our SGN a.
But you know there's only so much you can do in an organization that when you know, it's just a seasonal issue.
When we talk about a lot of the scenarios that is something that we have continued to focus on is how can we continue how can we improve.
Our exposure to the question a side and I think we've made good progress and that's something that we were working on that's one of our pillars, regardless, but now we have a more time or focus to spend on it so.
The first quarter impact that I talked about that really was more of a mix. When we talk about the geographic and product mix. So I don't really feel a lot of concern actually like I said I actually I'm much more confident.
To be able to see where the decline in Texas now the other regions actually stepped up significantly and are showing beginning to show the progress that we would expect given the investment in time and energy that we put into those I'm. So the decrement was not substantial.
Considering the fact that we did have volume down a pricing up.
And to be able to have a flat margin. Despite our our highest margin region, adding a low volume Jared that's a that's speaks volumes to where we're going.
Okay helpful. Thanks, a lot guys.
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And you didn't have a follow up question and Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.
Hi, Thanks for taking the polymer clay.
You could just expand on your manufacturing excellence initiatives given.
Hobbies like ability to travel how should we think about you know the timeline a a rolling out.
Pillar, a a bit strategy and you know what.
And then if you will have better improvement effort you expected to be exiting 20.
So many things are back on track and two up into Threeq you.
Joe that's a very insightful question.
Our.
Our him.
Operation to me initiatives are really based around me.
Based about around the people who are doing the work.
At the local level being in power train and.
Turned on about making improvement and a lot of that does take a human to human interaction LP ties onto rapid improvement events and with this lack of travel there's no doubt that that has been.
And third.
And I guess hampered could also mean slowed it does not mean that we're not making continued progress.
I'm, especially as Enbrel larger facilities, we're sticking to make progress.
But the lack of being able to could be on site.
Such deal screen motivate push guide.
Is probably going to last about eight months.
But.
In in no way stops the direction.
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Intensity of our efforts but.
Very insightful question, but not being on site.
It is that made it much more difficult over these last 45 days.
But you also had a lot of horses in the barn, who are chopping it a bit.
[laughter] and yes, we've had to restrain we've had to restrain Carl from traveling to the plants a decisive strong desire to be up there, but it is I think the right thing to do for our people and to keep them as Iceland as possible, we've talked about that extensively internally how do we how do we.
Take care of our people and make sure that our operations are safe.
And so we've done a lot more zoom and other events and I think you know it it is like Carl sort of frontline activity. It doesn't mean that you have less ties on hands on activity with the management coming in but again.
We believe we are moving into right direction.
And how big is that margin gap between your most efficient so it isn't in Texas and facilities that need more work, yeah, and where that differences addressable outside of the volume levers that you folks can do in Texas, just an apples to apples basis. If you raised the fourth quarter tile play.
So if you will what sort of margin gap, where are we thinking about.
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So if you call some of them. So the productivity improvements that we've we've seen where weve been very intensely focusing on this and.
We've probably been she that level of detail and maybe.
30% about pets, 35% of offense. So we have a a lot of room to go still true.
A lot of room to go and I and and I wouldn't want it because it's not.
I, just I wouldn't want to my comments to somehow undermine the progress is made we do have some plants outside of Texas that are well run.
But on average, Texas is definitely lower and I do you think that that's going to be the opportunity.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, even if we have.
Significant lean training out of plant. It still takes time for those improvements to roll through so lots of lots of upside across the group over the next I'm you know.
Two years, probably at least you get to continue to extract great value or noticeable value going forward.
Okay.
Nice performance in tough environment, Thank you ever.
Thanks drew.
Thank you I'm showing no additional questions in the <unk> at this time I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Thank you for your for your time right.
We pay you in your families are safe and doing well and we look forward to talking to you on our next call.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the program you may now disconnect everyone have a wonderful day.