Q3 2020 DMC Global Inc Earnings Call
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Hello, and welcome to D.M., She's third quarter conference call presenting today are president and CEO, Kevin long and CFO, Mike today.
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With that I'll now turn the call over to Kevin long Kevin.
Thank you John and good afternoon, everyone DMC reported third quarter sales that exceeded the high end of our guidance.
Results were driven by improved customer demand, the danya energetics or oilfield products business as well.
Well, it's better than expected shipments at noble class, our composite metals business.
Our performance also reflects the efforts of our employees around the world you have performed exceptionally well in the face of a global pandemic very challenging oil and gas market for Dynaenergetics.
Project delays within a variety of end use markets that have pushed out orders at noble Clyde.
Got energetic benefited from an improvement in North American well completion.
After a very weak second quarter and from strong third quarter International sales.
The increase in activity in North America.
Coupled with dine energetics efforts to align with leading operators and service companies that do a 122% sequential improvement in North American Robyn.
Albeit off a very low second quarter base.
I energetic Diaz factory assembled performance a shirt perforating systems, which we delivered just in time to the well site.
Our neighboring North American customers to respond quickly to increasing demand.
Tuesday evening up this week diner energetics received a call from a service company that was then a jam using field assembled components.
Gil Dissembled guns were not meeting the needs of its e. and P. customer and the service company placed in emergency order for D.S. systems.
The following morning, 400 of our D.S. systems were delivered to the customers well sites in the <unk> and have already been deployed <unk>.
The M.B. customer was pleased with the switch to our D. assistance and it's already committed to deploying several thousand more over the coming months, demonstrating the quality of our systems and just in time business model.
Yes systems require fewer fewer people at the well site and bus infrastructure in inventory.
Enable customers to reduce the capital intensity of their operations and improved the returns on invested capital in it.
In addition, the safety performance and reliability of our systems improves the effectiveness of our customers completion programs and the performance of their wells.
We are cautiously optimistic that the bottom of the market is behind us and are encouraged by the modest improvement in well completions, we sold during the third quarter.
We believe this increase will be sustained through the end of the year.
The activity improvement has accelerated the reduction of low priced inventory in the market and the industry is closer to being back in balance.
We expect the inventory overhang will be depleted during the first half of next year and this should lead to improved demand part D. S systems.
On the international front, we anticipate a seasonal sales decline during the fourth quarter and then improved order volume beginning early next year.
Noble Clyde continues to deliver steady topline results in improved profit margins. Despite.
Despite the impact of several order delays related to the COVID-19 pandemic.
It looks like unique no hauling composite metal production has helped establish a loyal customer base within several barge be stable end markets.
This is particularly valuable given the inherent volatility in our core energy markets.
Double quite continues to invest in the development of new applications and is pursuing opportunities in a broad range of industrial processing transportation and alternative energy industries.
During the third quarter global cloud shipped its first class equates to a customer in the engineered wood industry. The plates are being used to reduce maintenance costs and extend the life of the customers would presses, which are exposed to high temperatures a corrosive glue some resins.
This order resulted from two years of efforts by noble Clyde and we are optimistic it will lead to additional opportunities in the global engineered wood industry.
In July and why nobody was promoted to president of noble Clyde.
And it's one is developed strong application expertise and business document during his 25 years with noble class and he has been instrumental in expanding the global market for composite metal plates.
We further strengthened our balance sheet during the third quarter and ended the period with cash and cash equivalents up $24.6 million total debt at September Thirtyth was $12 million in our $50 million revolving credit facility is undrawn and fully available.
Earlier today, we filed a prospectus supplement with the EPS CCGT to establish an at the market offering program.
Under the program, we may from time to time sell shares of our common stock for aggregate proceeds of up to $75 million.
We plan to use the proceeds for general corporate purposes, which may include working capital debt repayment and potential acquisitions or investments in businesses products or technologies each.
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I'll now turn the call over to Mike for a review of our third quarter financial performance Mike.
Thanks, Kevin third quarter sales were $55.3 million up 28% sequentially and down 45% versus last years third quarter.
Dynaenergetics reported third quarter sales of $34.2 million up 45% sequentially and a decline of 56% versus the same quarter last year, It's Ken.
As Kevin mentioned, North America sales increased 122% sequentially, partially was offset by decline in international sales due to order timing.
Sales at Nobelclad were $21.1 million up 8% sequentially and down 7% versus last years third quarter.
Consolidated gross margin a third quarter was 25% up from 15% from the second quarter 2020, and down from 36% in the third quarter of 2019.
The decline from last year, primarily relates to the year over year sales decline and lower average selling prices and dynaenergetics.
Synergetics reported third quarter gross margin of 24% versus 8% in the 2022nd quarter and 39% in last years third quarter.
Nobelclad reported third quarter gross margin of 26% versus 25% in second quarter and 26% in the year ago third quarter.
Looking at our third quarter expenses consolidated that's you know you have $11.6 million declined 5% versus the second quarter and 32% versus the year ago third quarter.
We reported consolidated adjusted operating income of $1.6 million, which excludes $143000 in restructuring charges.
Third quarter, adjusted net income was $1.2 million or eight cents per diluted share versus adjusted net income of $13.4 million or 90 cents per diluted share in last year's third quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA was $6 million versus $23.2 million in last years third quarter.
Dynaenergetics reported third quarter, adjusted EBITDA was $4.2 million, well Nobelclad reported adjusted EBITDA of $3.4 million.
We ended the third quarter with net cash of $12.6 million as compared to net cash of $4.5 million at the end of the second quarter.
Looking at guidance fourth quarter sales are expected to be in a range of 50 million to $55 million versus the $55.3 million reported in the 2023rd quarter.
At the business level Dynaenergetics is expected to report sales in range of $30 million to $33 million versus the $34.2 million reported in the 2023rd quarter makes.
We expect demand in North America to be modestly above third quarter demand.
However, we anticipate a drop in international activity due to seasonality.
We do expect international orders to pick back up in early 2021.
Nobelclad sales are expected in the range of 20 million to $22 million versus the $21.1 million reported in the 2023rd quarter.
<unk> consolidated gross margin is expected in the range of 20% to 23% versus 25% third quarter. The expected sequential decline is due to project mix it nobelclad and the decline in international orders that Dynaenergetics.
Fourth quarter, selling general and administrative expense is expected to be approximately $12 million versus the $11.6 million reported last quarter, well amortization expense is expected to be approximately $370000.
Interest expense is expected in the range of 150 to $200000.
Adjusted EBITDA is expected in the range of 2 million to $4 million versus $6 million in the 2023rd quarter.
Fourth quarter capital expenditures are expected in the range of 2 million to $3 million.
With that I will turn the call back over to Kevin.
Thanks, Mike we have navigated a very difficult time in the industry and our businesses are well positioned to capitalize on an expected improvement in demand.
Dining our Jacksonville, but glad to have established.
Leadership positions in their respective industries.
Both have developed innovative products that generate true value for their customers.
You can see is in a strong financial position and eight.
Enabling us to stay focused on our long term strategy of building a diversified portfolio of innovative solutions that create value for our customers and superior returns for our shareholders.
Our accomplishments are the outcome of the creativity and efforts of the entire DMC team and I want.
And I want to again, thank our employees for their hard work and dedication with that.
With that we're ready to take questions.
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And we'll take our first question from Tommy Mall with Stephens. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions.
Hi, Tommy.
Kevin I wanted to start on the inventory overhang that you referenced for for your Dynaenergetics business.
Am I hearing correctly that it might be up.
Up to three more quarters or through the middle part of next year before you you have some visibility to balance there and.
And if I am hearing that correctly can you give us.
Any kind of visibility you've had in recent weeks.
On the pricing dynamic has it actually gotten worse do should we think about about maybe being able to hold pricing and margins, even while that inventory is does run out and what I'm really trying to get to as you you're looking at in an industry, that's probably inflicting.
For the better once you get to 2021, but I just want to kind of.
Alex that with your comments about the inventory that may still be out in the market.
Yes, Todd Tommy you know, we I mentioned that we felt that the first half at 2021 before balance I wouldn't say balance.
Before the inventory is consumed and instead.
And so theres, a little bit of an overlap hang that hold up it's probably more in.
In the middle of the first quarter, but it's not going to impact all companies equally symbol <unk>.
Get rid of their inventory faster.
Others will take longer and so the six month is really probably the.
The last of it to come out.
But I would most likely indicate the first call.
Order would be but the majority of the inventory.
Regarding pricing pricing, we think could stabilize we don't see it going down from here would be very difficult for us to go down.
We do expect.
In the first quarter does start to see pricing improved Oh, we need the inventory to come down a excess inventory of others in the marketplace and.
And demand to stay where it's at or or true hopefully from works out nimble start seeing pricing recover.
Recover.
So we would expect pricing to start to recover yeah, we're not guiding yet or 2021, but we see it coming back in the second quarter to the third quarter of 2021.
Where we sit now.
Okay. Thank you that's helpful context, and leads to the second point I wanted to ask about.
Which is on Dynaenergetics margins you've done.
A phenomenal job of through this downturn.
Showing the resiliency of the the margins there which to be sure have compressed, but there's still.
They're still well into the positive territory and above what a lot of the peers would be able to show so.
So as we come come into next year and let's just.
Imagine a scenario where activity levels are improving.
Through the first part of next year how.
How much of the cost that's been taken out there.
This year comes back in.
Or would you be able to frame for us the kind of incremental margin opportunity that's reasonable.
Again, assuming we're in an industry environment, that's improving as we work through the first part of next year.
[laughter] Yeah, Tommy we we're in a fortunate position that a lot of the cost that came out of our business we're activity.
Driven costs, Oh, we have a high variable cost model relatively low fixed costs.
And.
Very proud of our team and that.
And that we've restructured our business when the market was good at.
And our restructuring this year other than the.
Activity based costs.
I've been minimal.
Particularly relative to our competition and.
And others in the industry as the volume picks up from here, we well add back in the activity costs.
In our variable cost model, but we don't.
We don't see ourselves, adding back a little actually will add back little if any fixed cost and so we should see an expansion of the margins.
And.
Our our contribution margin is not where we'd like it to be on Dynaenergetics. It's it's very strong and noble cloud even at the low volumes.
You know.
Roughly yeah.
Getting back to 2019 kind of margins.
Would be roughly one third absorption of our overheads.
Putting our SGN eight and.
And two thirds or pricing.
That's helpful. Kevin Thank you I'll turn it back.
Uh-huh.
And our next question comes from Canada researcher with Tudor Pickering.
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Go ahead.
Hey, Thanks, and good afternoon first question is on on some of these new well designs out there. It seems like a mini MPS are looking up speed up space or longer distance between frac stages is really an effort.
Really an effort to save cost and so what are you seeing that and then are you seeing more clusters of pursuits, offset those potential reduced stage count the kind of summing it all up if stage count trends lower on the margin or are you seeing gun count per well continue to increase on average.
We are we see it actually moving up a roughly 20% this year and and.
With.
Closer spacing and and the longer laterals doesn't necessarily ads.
To the it adds more perforation per.
Completion or lateral.
But not more in total it does save on the drilling part of it but really is moving the needle on perforating is the closer spacing of the perforating guns and the charges.
Okay got it Okay and then also in Diana.
The North American performance in Q3 was exceptionally strong when we think about Q4, you're basically guiding towards a flattish quarter in North America for for Diana.
It's in the embedded in that guidance.
Are you contemplating any sort of sharp falloff in sales in North America towards year end.
Like you saw last year and you've seen in years past such that the first part of the quarter. It is much better than the last or how should we think about that guidance for North America in Q4.
We don't anticipate a fall off the follow up typically in the fall.
In the fourth quarter.
He has to do with budget exhaustion and some slowdown around the holidays.
But I can assure you that most of those budgets were cut in the second quarter of this year and so yeah. We think that we won't see the budget exhaustion. This year that it working.
The activity that we're at right now will continue into the fourth quarter.
I understand.
Yeah.
Okay got it that's all I had thanks guys.
Thank you.
And our next question comes from Stephen Gengaro that Steve. Please go ahead.
Oh. Thank you good afternoon guys yeah.
So just following up on the prior question I assume and maybe this is a wrong assumption, but I assume that.
Throughout the third quarter you saw.
Monthly improvements.
And given the ramp you you talked about in North America. He.
It just is it just feels like the.
The fourth quarter is building in some conservatism or or some seasonal fall off I just wanted to see if you give us a little I know you just responded but I just was trying to.
Steve if that thought process on the third quarter was correct and as you know in fact October was better than any month in the third quarter.
Yes, Stephen this is Mike that's that's correct I mean, we're we're actually seeing.
Actually seeing our Americas business or North America.
Probably in the 10% range in the fourth quarter off of that.
Third quarter, and what you're seeing on the topline for Dynaenergetics is a seasonal downturn in the international business that we think will pick back up early on.
2021.
Great that makes that makes sense.
The other the other question around the third quarter.
It it feels like one of the things that you were hurt by earlier this year was this.
What I kind of classify as a market share gain for components over integrated systems and I think you addressed that in response of hobbies question earlier I think about that.
About the inventory overhang, but and you provide an anecdote on the call about a customer.
But can you give us is it are you seeing there.
The share shift back to integrated systems maybe.
Maybe sooner than you expected.
Or is that too strong a statement at this point.
No its not too strong of a statement I think that when we look at the second quarter Steven.
We chose not to chase the low price component business, and we were willing to give up share in order to.
Price, our products responsibly and and maintain value for our shareholders. The.
The the we have come down in price.
Uh huh.
We can avoid it because we need to support our service customers, who who moved their business to our systems and they have to compete in the marketplace as.
And and so.
The wins that we're getting and that we got in the third quarter that are continually continuing into the fourth.
Our really based on.
You know the integrated system.
Quality of having to.
Having a system where all the components are designed to work together.
Factory assembled no wiring in the field.
And easy quick can pass to go down the well and I think what's happened is we haven't moved our prices down between the <unk> in the third quarter.
Or or into the fourth we're seeing they're just.
The dissatisfaction that's coming from the.
The older model of a some having operations, having a buying components assembling those components, putting them together in the field and wiring in the detonator and putting them down the well and that is a people intensive.
Hi, and capital intensive and.
Endeavor.
And in a market where.
Fewer people and less capital tied up into perforating operations is beneficial.
We're starting to see people move.
Not focus on that the transactional price of buying components, but they're looking at the cost of the whole ecosystem to build perforating guns, and and we're starting to win.
Back share based on.
Better quality system, and the lower capital intensity when people use our products.
Oh great.
Very helpful. Thank you.
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Mmm, Matt Gerry Sweeney with profit <unk>. Please go.
Please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon, or like Kevin and Jeff Thanks for taking my call.
Hi, Jerry.
I wanted to talk a little about some of the newer products right here, Yes, Trinity and why.
You know that built on the original dynasty, just curious as to how much.
In a market uptake you're seeing on that and you know are they driving.
You know new adoption, new customers or are they bringing some older dynastage customers along to a new level you know what I'm trying to get at you know obviously longer term it.
You've been prolific in investing in new technology.
You're keeping the pedal down I assume on the marketing et cetera, you know how to do it.
I'll translate into market share.
As we look a little bit further out on the curve.
Oh, we're seeing an increase and.
Directional perforating, if you will and are in line, it's been a very successful product line.
In in the third quarter, a there seems to be greater.
Focus on the orientation of the perforations and also the accuracy.
Accuracy and the consistency of that.
The perforations and we excel in both accuracy can.
Consistency and also the the channel that's being created so so the end line as we've seen a big very well embraced and adopted in the marketplace.
The order that I mentioned earlier this week, where we were able to respond quickly we were able to use our our Trinity system.
And and the feedback from the.
The impede two the service company has been.
Well, we would expect the very complimentary and and so Trinity is is probably a little slower in the quarter relative to end line, but we do.
But we just saw a recent pickup in it.
And then just <unk>.
On the the mining application.
I mean it.
My memory is correct.
That's not you worked with Newcrest and I think there was a potential for some sizable orders for an extended period of time from new credits, but there's also an opportunity in other mining application.
And I'm, assuming it's actually a pretty.
Tasty margin type of profile.
Any idea on what's happening on that front or it can provide any update on that front.
How we look at that.
Yeah, its still in the very early stages of being adopted by our customer and.
In we're moving at the pace that their mining operations are moving out and.
And it's a relatively new product at a very high temperature.
In the mining industry and so its a niche application within the overall mining industry, but it's a we think it to be at a decent size application and said it has very strong margins, but.
But you would have only just seen a small part of it in in the notebook clad results for the third quarter and a in so that's not what's really driving noble, but yet we we expect that to be stronger in 2021 and 2022.
Got it Okay, Oh Ah that's it from me I appreciate it thank you.
Our next question.
Matt Galinko. Please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon, Hi.
Thanks for taking my question.
[laughter] I guess, just curious about how are you thinking about timing on market development and engineered wood Chernobyl clad you know it sounds like you got an initial order about how do you think about follow on and sort of building from that.
[noise], yeah, what's interesting about the engineered wood.
Marketplace, it's a very very large tens of billions of dollars market I think possibly 40 billion in.
In product revenue and there's.
Approximately 50 companies globally that.
Globally that make engineered wood and so you know with the applications that were we.
We've developed.
In the adoptions and [noise].
Basically we improve their operational costs and lower their operational costs by lengthening.
Debate.
The maintenance and service work that they have to do to the presses in the plates and so this is just for US right at the very beginning we've we've got orders coming in from.
A customer that we worked with and we're currently out marketing to these other companies and it's a fairly strong value proposition. So we.
Expect that to pick up more in also in 21, 22, and and and that's just to support the industry as it exists today.
Got it thank you.
Mhm.
Oh, we have a follow up question from Stephens, Inc. Carroll with Stifel. Please go ahead.
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Thanks.
Kevin One thing I want to just address.
Do you see any opportunity we go with the Liberty wants them transaction, Oh, my sense would be what would somebody or somebody who is.
Core EPS to be internally developing system on the beach.
Kind of Oh, we don't have the technology. So quickly in the profit business, but I'm not so sure they're doing much of it and they have got in Galp something that has come up we got a potential opportunity.
We saw maybe getting out of the game a little bit as we think about the competitive landscape.
Well I don't know Schlumberger is getting out of perforating.
I think the big move or will move one of their business units over to Ted Liberty.
And so we view it as a from a supply standpoint market neutral.
And we would be focused on both.
Slumber, J and Liberty like we went to the broader market.
For selling our systems.
Right. Okay. Thank you.
Mhm.
Hi, there Oh and when we do.
We do have a question from Dan brilliant with benchmark. Please go ahead.
Afternoon, guys how are you.
Hi, Jim.
Hey, Kevin you know if we look at you know kinda roll the calendar back a little bit in the 2000 1918 and 19 as you did.
Develop new products and more offerings, you certainly separated yourself from the.
The pack with the integrated system.
We've got a downturn and there's this excess inventory in the market that we've got to get through but how would you characterize the market going forward from a competitive front and not.
Not just from the perforating side, but also from the E. and P. side and the service side what what.
Well, what do you see different going forward than maybe what we had in the past.
Well, what we well.
What we're witnessing Anna and I think the market is witnessing right now its consolidation at the Pea level.
And.
And we would expect.
They're to be consolidation and attrition.
At the surface and the equipment level.
Particularly for the <unk>, the lower technology component kinda.
Kinda companies.
Uh huh.
The lower capital intensity and below our people intensity of the integrated system is just too compelling for I think a service company or E. P company to ignore.
And and so you know I would think that its going to mostly intact. The smaller component manufacturers from the equipment side and.
And I've you know it doesn't make sense to be a vertically integrated.
Wireline services company.
Assembling components that you don't have basic or you know manufacturing capabilities and.
Yeah, Yeah, I, you know that the that the fact that you had that you picked up a lot of business from a.
A competitor that was having problems in the field.
It's kind of interesting to me into that it's a relatively slow time in the industry.
Yes, they are having problems with field assembly is that was at a product.
Product issue or is it a labor issue or and I guess, what I'm getting at is is not to get overly excited about the eventual rand, but how is the field assembled industry going to ramp if they can't do it in a slow time.
What are the what are the dynamics that are causing problems now in that field assembled.
Yes, well you know.
Yeah, there's a lot of.
People coming out of the industry and expertise.
And.
And so assembling perforating guns.
In the field.
[noise] components that aren't necessarily designed to go together just kind of a difficult process.
And it requires more people and.
And you know also requires a coordination of.
Applied change you for all the different products.
And capacity in this particular case for the size of the projects that a or b.
Were being considered and so for all that to come together in a mark.
In a market, where there's consolidation attrition and.
The reduction in force is very difficult and.
And so we just feel that you know we were benefited because of our business model and.
And and the integration of our products.
You know what I don't want to guess or is there something is there something different now in this downturn than say 2016, because there were still that same thing people are coming out of the market and all that but but nonetheless, when the industry ramped up you still had.
Field assembled people ramping up and you know they got back to business is is there something different that you think changes that.
Yeah margins are lower and so you can [laughter] when my.
When margins are higher and and and the ER and the savings.
And the savings May at first appeared to be lower.
But when you get down to two this kind of environment, where volume is down margins are down and.
Every completion is a critical completion you really high.
You really have to be.
Uh huh.
You really have to be good at what you do and I think that that's going to favor.
Daniel energetic standards and some of its larger Oh competitors that that are also working on integrated systems.
Okay, and then in terms of product roadmap or youve been introducing several new products in various degrees in various areas are you are contemplating moving.
Contemplating moving beyond.
Perforating guns and energetic are there other things that you're looking at.
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Yes, I mean, well a lot of the <unk>, we introduced several new products in the late.
Late second quarter beginning of the third.
We have two more product lines coming out in the fourth quarter.
The majority of those in terms of number of.
New product introductions were around perforating and building out an extensive product portfolio that.
That's enables us to to have a perforating system, that's designed for different types of completions that.
That doesn't move the needle on the market size. It just makes us stronger in terms of our product offering.
We did come out with a ballistic released tool, which is new to us and.
Studying tool which were.
We've been doing a lot of testing in the third quarter and the setting tool increases our total available market by about 20% and.
And the tool that we've introduced has a lot of debt.
Safety and performance benefits of our perforating systems, and so we're seeing a real quite frankly strong interest and we feel we're going to have a quick adoption of our southern tool in the marketplace.
Beyond that we're focused in dine energetics on the EPS lower.
Lower completions and.
And products associated with lower completions, we would.
Obviously, a have an interest in.
However, we're also only focused on those that we can bring something to the market.
In terms of adding value for our customers and improving.
There and our own value proposition.
And those are few and far between.
Uh-huh.
Okay and then.
One last question I know it may be early for budgeting next year, but what what's your Capex look like for next year and is there any anything particularly planned.
Along the way it increased efficiency.
Yeah.
We're well we're just in the early stages of a budgeting for next year.
We would expect.
Our capex spending to be modest and in the range that we're spending this year.
Until we see a.
Demand.
And margins start to improve dramatically.
Okay. Thanks.
Thanks, guys I appreciate it.
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My thought there appear to be no further questions. So I'll turn it back over to Kevin long for any concluding remarks.
[noise] just would like to thank everybody for joining the call today, and we hope you and your families and and colleagues are doing well in this very difficult environment.
And I.
I'm pleased to say that I think the next time that will have an earnings conference call will be 2021.
And it will be nice to put 2020 in the record books.
And look.
Look forward to talking with you in February.
Thank you.
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