Q1 2021 Owens Corning Earnings Call
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Thank you and good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to join US for today's conference call and review of our business results for the first quarter 2021 joining us today are Brian Chambers, Owens, Corning's, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Ken Parks, our Chief Financial Officer.
Following our presentation. This morning, we will open this one hour call to your questions in order to accommodate as many call participants as possible. Please limit yourself to one question only.
Earlier. This morning, we issued a news release and filed a 10-Q that detailed our financial results for the first quarter 2021.
For the purposes of our discussion today, we've prepared presentation slides that summarize our performance and results and we'll refer to these slides during this call.
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A transcript and recording of this call and the supporting slides will be available on our website for future reference.
Please reference slide two before we begin where we offer a couple of reminders.
First today's remarks will include forward looking statements based on our current forecasts and estimates of future events.
These statements are subject to risks uncertainties and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially.
We undertake no obligation to update these statements beyond what is required under applicable securities laws.
Please refer to the cautionary statements and the risk factors identified in our SEC filings for a more detailed explanation of the inherent risks and uncertainties affecting such forward looking statements.
Second the presentation slides in today's remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures explanations and reconciliations of non-GAAP to GAAP measures, maybe found in the text and financial tables of our earnings press release and presentation both of them.
Which are available on Owens Corning dotcom.
Adjusted EBIT is our primary measure of period over period comparisons and we believe it is a meaningful measure for investors to compare our results consistent with our historical practice, we have excluded certain items that we believe are not representative of our ongoing operations when calculating adjusted EBIT and adjusted earnings.
We adjust our effective tax rate to remove the effect of quarter to quarter fluctuations, which have the potential to be significant in arriving at adjusted earnings and adjusted earnings per share.
We also use free cash flow and free cash flow conversion of adjusted earnings as measures helpful to investors to evaluate the company's ability to generate cash and utilize that cash to pursue opportunities that enhance shareholder value.
The tables in today's news release and the form 10-Q include more detailed financial information.
For those of you following along with our slide presentation. We will begin on slide four and now opening remarks from our chairman and CEO, Brian Chambers, Brian.
Thanks Amber.
Everyone and thank you for joining us I hope all of you on the call are staying healthy and safe.
During this call one year ago, as we were all contending with the unprecedented challenges from the onset of a global pandemic.
Did that extraordinary times create the opportunity for extraordinary actions.
Over the past year I am pleased to say that our team has consistently risen to the challenges that fundamentally impacted not only our businesses and markets, but the ways. We work on live.
Well many of those challenges continue to affect our daily lives. They are no longer unprecedented we've learned to be more agile to adapt and respond to changing market conditions, demonstrating our strong execution and an uncompromising commitment to our people and our customers can drive exceptional performance even against this backdrop.
We certainly demonstrated this in the first quarter delivering great operational and financial results by leveraging our market leading positions unique product and process technologies and enterprise operating model to capitalize on strong or improving market conditions.
During our call. This morning, I'll start with an overview of Owens Corning's first quarter results before turning it over to Ken who will provide additional details on our financial performance.
I will then come back to talk about our business outlook for the second quarter and share our perspective on key markets.
As always I will begin.
In my review of safety, where our collective focus remains working together.
Each other our customers and our suppliers healthy and safe.
During the first quarter, we maintained a very safe environment within our I R. A 0.64, which is in line with our full year 2020 performance.
More than half of our facilities across the globe have remained injury free for more than a year.
Financially, we delivered record first quarter revenue of $1 9 billion, an increase of 20 per cent compared with the first quarter of 2028.
18% on a constant currency basis, and adjusted EBIT of $282 million, which is more than double what we reported for the same period last year and a record for any first quarter historically.
Our global teams continue to execute well delivering outstanding financial results in a dynamic market environment, demonstrating the earnings power of our company.
Our performance during the quarter was driven by good volumes broad price realization and strong manufacturing efficiencies across all our businesses, resulting in an adjusted EBIT margin for the company of 15% with all three of our businesses posting double digit EBIT margins for the third consecutive quarter.
During the quarter, we saw broad strength across many of our end markets.
Specifically the U S residential housing market continues to run at a robust pace with both repair and remodeling activity and new construction growth driving strong demand for our products.
In addition, we continue to see many of our global markets as well as our commercial industrial end markets improved throughout the quarter.
While market conditions have certainly turned more favorable our operating priorities investments and execution have positioned us to deliver these strong financial results.
Across the enterprise, we continue to invest in select growth and productivity initiatives to service, our customers and improve our operating performance.
Within installations, we are investing in automation and process technologies to create a lower cost more flexible manufacturing networks and our residential insulation business as we commercially position ourselves to benefit from a strong housing market.
In addition, we continue to invest in new installation materials and systems and non residential applications to expand our global product offering.
In our composites business were investing to grow in higher value downstream applications, such as building and construction wind energy and infrastructure.
And we remain focused on optimizing our low cost manufacturing network to serve as key markets, such as North America, Europe and India.
And in roofing, we continue to leverage our vertical integration model to develop innovative products and systems, while expanding our roofing components offering and strengthening our partnerships with contractors and distributors to help grow their businesses with our products and brands.
All of this work has enabled by our enterprise operating model, which leverages, our commercial strength material science capabilities and global operating scale to expand our growth opportunities improve our operating efficiencies and generate strong free cash flow.
Before I turn it over to Ken to walk through our financial performance in more detail I'd like to share a few additional enterprise updates.
On the talent from we recently announced the appointment of two great executives.
First I'd like to congratulate Dr. Jose Man doesn't Dino on his recent promotion to Chief Research and development Officer.
Material Science research and product and process innovation are fundamental to what we do and how we deliver value as a company Jose will play a key role in leading our efforts to increase our innovation pipeline and ensure we are helping our customers win and grow in the market.
Additionally, I'm excited to welcome Janet Burrito to our company as our next general Counsel and corporate Secretary effective June 9th.
She joins US from Nordson Corporation, where she served for eight years, most recently as our general counsel.
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Another highlight I would like to share is the recent publication of our 15th annual sustainability report titled beyond today shaping tomorrow.
We began our sustainability journey, nearly two decades ago and over the years, our goals have evolved and expanded well beyond environmental sustainability.
Today. They are built on three key pillars, expanding the positive impact of our products, reducing our environmental footprint and increasing our social impact.
We're proud of our progress and our accomplishments over the past decade across all of our 2020 sustainability goals, particularly our progress on climate action, where we have reduced absolute greenhouse gas emissions from our operations by 60% since our peak year, despite adding several material acquisitions along the way.
In our recently published 2030 goals, we're committed to further reduce these emissions by another 50%.
This will result in 2030 absolute greenhouse gas emissions being 75% below our peak.
At the same time, we're also committed to a 30 per cent reduction and our scope three emissions as we focus on making a positive impact throughout our supply chain.
Sustainability is core to our purpose and will continue to be an important driver and differentiator for our company moving forward.
With that I will now turn it over to Ken to discuss our financial results in more detail Ken.
Thanks, Brian and good morning, as Brian commented Owens Corning delivered outstanding financial results in the first quarter.
Strong top line growth.
400 basis points of gross margin expansion and continued operating expense discipline drove record first quarter adjusted EBIT, along with an adjusted EBIT margin of 15%.
The stronger earnings combined with a continued focus on working capital management and capital investments resulted in healthy free cash flow generation in the quarter.
While benefiting from market conditions that are broadly stronger than they were a year ago continued solid execution across the business was fundamental to driving this performance.
As anticipated, we're managing a more inflationary environment, primarily related to materials and transportation.
Positive price realization and manufacturing productivity more than offset the inflation headwind in the quarter.
Maintaining this positive balance remains a focus as we move through this inflationary environment.
Now turning to slide five we can take a closer look at our results.
For the first quarter, we reported consolidated net sales of $1 9 billion up 20% over 2020 with double digit revenue growth in all three segments, reflecting the robust U S residential housing market and the continued strengthening of commercial and industrial markets.
Adjusted EBIT for the first quarter of 2021 reached $292 million up $166 million compared to the prior year and was highlighted by all three segments continuing to deliver double digit EBIT margins.
Adjusted earnings for the first quarter were $183 million or $1 73 per diluted share compared to $67 million or <unk> 62 cents per diluted share in Q1 2020.
Depreciation and amortization expense for the quarter was $119 million up slightly compared to the prior year.
Our capital additions for the first quarter were $60 million up $6 million as compared to Q1 2020, we will continue to be disciplined on our capital spending as we focus on delivering strong free cash flow and prioritizing investments to drive growth and productivity.
Slide six reconciles, our first quarter adjusted EBIT of $282 million to our reported EBIT of $301 million.
During the quarter, we recognized $20 million of gains on the sale of certain precious metals.
Ongoing progress on our productivity initiatives and manufacturing process technology has enabled us to further modified the designs of our production tooling and reduce certain precious metal holdings.
In addition, we recorded $1 million of restructuring costs associated with the insulation network optimization actions that we initiated in the fourth quarter of 2020.
These items are excluded from our adjusted first quarter EBIT.
Slide seven provides a high level overview of our first quarter adjusted EBIT, comparing 2021 to 'twenty 'twenty.
Adjusted EBIT of $282 million was a new first quarter record for the company.
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Roofing and insulation more than doubled their EBIT and composites grew by 80%.
Before turning to the review of each of our businesses I want to speak to the one time financial impacts we had from the winter storms in February.
Each of our businesses faced operational disruptions related to the storms. However, these were offset in each of the businesses by gains on renewable energy settlements.
As we discussed at the time of our year end call. These impacts were contemplated in our first quarter guidance.
Now turning to slide eight I'll provide more details on the performance of each of the businesses.
The insulation business executed well to deliver strong growth on both the top and bottom lines.
Sales for the quarter were $700 million, a 16% increase over first quarter 2020.
We saw volume strength across the business as U S. New construction continued to be robust and many of the commercial end markets. We serve globally continued to strengthen.
In North American residential fiberglass insulation, we continue to ship all we can produce as the U S. New residential market remains very healthy.
We saw volumes up in line with the expectations. We had at the time of our last call and continue to see positive pricing as a result of the actions that we've taken on over the past three quarters.
I'm happy to share that we started up our batts and rolls lines in Kansas City in February and continued to ramp up production as we move through the quarter.
In technical and other insulation, we saw volume up across the business with our highly specified products continuing to see growth in demand in North America and Europe.
Pricing continues to be stable and we saw a benefit from currency translation in the quarter.
For the insulation business overall, good execution on our manufacturing operations, partially offset continued transportation headwinds and accelerating material inflation.
We delivered margins of 12% and EBIT of $82 million more than double to $39 million of EBIT in the first quarter of last year.
Now please turn to slide nine for a review of our composites business.
The composites business had a strong start to the year sales for the first quarter were $559 million up 13% compared to the prior year.
Stronger than expected volume growth in the quarter resulted from demand for downstream applications, serving the building and construction and wind markets as well as demand in key geographies, where our local supply for local demand model is being valued by customers and drove higher volumes compared to the prior year.
We also saw positive price realization in composites, resulting from our most recent contract negotiations and the strength of the markets.
Operationally solid manufacturing performance offset headwinds from material and transportation inflation.
For the quarter composites delivered $79 million of EBIT and EBIT margin of 14%.
Slide 10 provides an overview of our roofing business.
The roofing business produced its strongest first quarter top and bottom line performance as we continued to operate in a sold out environment.
Sales in the first quarter were $711 million up 28 per cent compared to the prior year.
The U S asphalt shingle market grew 26 per cent for the quarter as compared to the prior year with our U S shingle volumes slightly outperforming the market.
We're seeing strong realization on our announced price increases and price costs remained positive as asphalt deflation continued to narrow through the quarter and we started to face into transportation inflation.
Similar to the other two businesses strong manufacturing performance was a fundamental element of the roofing business results.
For the quarter EBIT was $156 million up $92 million from the prior year, achieving 22% EBIT margins.
Turning to slide 11, I will discuss significant financial highlights for the first quarter and full year 2021.
Continued discipline around the management of working capital operating expenses and capital on investments resulted in strong cash flow.
In addition, we didn't experience the seasonal working capital build that we typically see in the first quarter of the year due to robust demand across our businesses.
Free cash flow for the first quarter of 2021 at $120 million up $264 million compared to the first quarter of 2020 was a record for a first quarter.
During the first quarter of 2021, we repurchased one 6 million shares of our common stock and returned $197 million of cash to shareholders through stock repurchases and dividends.
With this strong cash performance and last year's deleveraging activities, we maintain a solid investment grade balance sheet and are operating within our target debt to adjusted EBITDA range with ample liquidity.
At quarter end, the company had liquidity of approximately $1 7 billion.
Consisting of $605 million of cash and nearly $1.1 billion of combined availability on our bank debt facilities.
We remain focused on consistently generating strong free cash flow returning at least 50 per cent to investors over time, and maintaining an investment grade balance sheet.
Now turning to 2021 outlook for key financial items I'll point out that there are no changes from our initial outlook provided in February.
General corporate expenses are expected to range between 135 on $145 million.
Capital additions are expected to be approximately $460 million, which is below expected depreciation and amortization of approximately $480 million.
We continue to focus on opportunities to support our businesses at a sustained lower level of capital intensity over time.
Interest expense is estimated to be between 120 and $130 million.
And we expect our 2021 effective tax rate to be 26 to 28 per cent of adjusted pretax earnings and our cash tax rate to be 18% to 20% of adjusted pretax earnings.
We're closely monitoring potential changes to the U S tax landscape and we'll be proactive to mitigate the long term effect on our cash tax rate.
Now please turn to slide 12, and I'll return the call to Brian to further discuss the outlook for our company Brian. Thank.
Thank you Ken.
Our first quarter performance provided a strong start to the year as we look forward, we expect the U S residential repair and remodeling and new construction end markets to remain robust with our commercial and industrial markets continuing to strengthen.
While the COVID-19 pandemic continues to create market uncertainty our teams are performing at a high level producing results that demonstrate the earnings power of our company and position us well to continue building on this outstanding performance.
Given the strength of our key markets and our continued operational performance, we expect the company to generate another quarter of significant revenue and earnings growth in the second quarter versus prior year.
Consistent with prior practice I'll focus my business outlook comments on our expectations for Q2.
In each business, we expect prior year comparisons to be impacted by pandemic related market responses, which affected our production and volume shipments last year.
Starting with insulation, we continue to see strength in new U S residential construction given.
Given the decline in North American residential fiberglass insulation shipments last year during the second quarter, we expect to see shipments to grow about 25% with pricing continuing to improve from realization of our April increase.
Given our outlook for inflation, we have also recently announced an 8% price increase effective June 28.
And our technical and other building insulation businesses, we're seeing volumes recover to pre COVID-19 levels.
In the second quarter, we expect our volumes to be up mid teens, as we see increasing demand for our products and global building and construction applications.
Pricing in these businesses is expected to remain relatively stable to slightly up.
In terms of inflation, we expect material and transportation cost increases we faced in Q1 to continue in a more meaningful way in the current quarter, partially offset by ongoing strong manufacturing productivity.
Additionally, we anticipate benefits of approximately $30 million from better fixed cost absorption on higher production volumes.
Given all this we expect EBIT margins to improve sequentially approaching mid teens for the quarter.
Moving on to composites, we expect our volume growth to continue at a strong pace up approximately 30% versus the prior year price.
Pricing is also expected to improve low to mid single digits year over year.
Margin should benefit from the reversal of roughly $30 million of curtailment cost we saw on the second quarter of 2020.
Consistent with the broader industry trend inflation will represent a more meaningful headwind for the business, which we would expect to partially offset through productivity gains.
On a sequential basis EBIT margins in Q2 are expected to be similar to the first quarter.
And in roofing, we expect the market to be up between 15, and 20% with our volumes up mid to high single digits. We anticipate our volume growth will trail the market growth due to the strength of our shipments in Q2 of last year.
Roofing pricing is expected to improve with the announced increase of 5% to 7% that was effective at the beginning of this month.
From an inflation standpoint, we expect to face more significant headwinds in asphalt costs and other material inputs, particularly resin used in our components business.
Given this we have recently announced an additional price increase of 4% to 6% effective in mid June.
Overall, we expect EBIT margins to increase sequentially from Q1 approaching mid 20%.
With that view of our businesses I'll turn to a few key enterprise areas.
Our team remains committed to generating strong operating and free cash flow in terms of capital allocation, our priorities remain focused on reinvesting in our business, especially productivity on organic growth initiatives.
Returning at least 50 per cent of free cash flow to shareholders over time through dividends and share repurchases and maintaining an investment grade balance sheet.
In addition, we're also evaluating investments and bolt on acquisitions that leverage our commercial operational and geographic strengths and expand our building and construction product offering.
Overall, we are well positioned to capitalize on near term market opportunities as well as several longer term secular trends that provide multi year growth opportunities, including the demand for new housing in the U S, which has been under built for several years and continued remodeling investments as homeowners renovate their living spaces and upgrade their home.
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We're also seeing growing opportunities to benefit from the drive for increased energy efficiency in homes and buildings, a greater importance being placed on sustainability and material durability and additional investments being made in renewable energy and infrastructure.
Each of these trends creates opportunities for Owens Corning to leverage our material science building science and unique product and process technologies to partner with our customers and help them grow with additional products systems and services.
As I noted at the beginning of today's call. Our team is proud of the outstanding operational and financial performance. We delivered in the first quarter and are excited by the opportunities we have to grow our company help our customers win in the market and deliver value to our shareholders with that I will now turn the call back to Amber to open it up for questions.
Thank you, Brian we are now ready to begin the Q&A session.
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And on my first question comes from Mike Dahl of RBC capital markets. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Thanks for taking my question nice results.
The question is.
Around the cost.
And so you know I think you've done a good job of highlighting some of the opportunities that.
You know you have for both.
On a realization on on current and previous price increases and some of the incremental pricing actions across the segments can you help us frame out either in percentage or a.
Dollar terms you know how your current thought.
That process is evolving around what type of cost in place and we should be assuming across the segments. Just because there is obviously a moving piece there are a lot of moving pieces there.
Okay.
Thanks, Mike and good morning, Thanks for the question.
As we're thinking about inflation you know as we entered this year we.
We indicated in truly still believe that we're going to move through an inflationary cycle that will probably accelerate a bit as we move from the first quarter into the later quarters.
If you look at our MD&A disclosure in the queue.
You'll see us breaking out inflation between each of the three businesses and you add that up and it's call. It around 24 plus million dollars across the three businesses are a little bit of color on that in the first quarter, it's probably split fairly evenly between material input cost and delivery cost.
And then when you think about material input costs.
The majority of what we're seeing is starting to be driven by things that are petroleum based strength. So petroleum based products that are going into our <unk> product into our products on our production process.
I will tell you that at this point in time in the first quarter one of the things that we do anticipate to move a day.
Directionally more inflationary as we move forward is that we did continue to see a bit of asphalt deflation in the first quarter and as noted in the in the earlier comments that begin to narrow as we move through the quarter just as we expected and we expect that to start to move more.
Inflationary as we move through the balance of the year.
With that said between productivity and pricing continued productivity in our kind of proactive nature at addressing pricing as we're watching very closely. The these inflationary cost pressures start to develop we're taking actions that will we will make sure that we keep the price cost balance positive as we move through the year.
Sure.
The next question comes from Kathryn Thompson of Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thank you for taking my question today I wanted to focus on your composite segment.
And the broader outlook.
Just for the quarter performance, how much of it was driven by stronger domestic roofing demand versus other factors.
And in particular, if you could give an update just how certain annual pricing discussions progressed, given a strong come back drop in demand and also our balance sheet rising cost.
Then in terms of the broader outlook have you size the potential opportunity for composites to benefit under the potatoes burden infrastructure plan given its focus on I'll try anything okay. Thank you.
Thanks, Catherine and again, good morning to you as well I'll take the first couple of pieces of that and I think I'll, let Bryan kind of things talk a little bit about the the bite on plan that we're all kind of filtering through ourselves at this point in time, you know the question around how much of the strength was driven by building and construction. It certainly has continued to be.
You know one of the downstream applications that we see with a positive dynamic, especially with the strength in the North America residential markets.
But I would say it didn't stand out much greater on a growth rate than some of the other things that we are we are seeing for example, wind continues to be strong you know in general as we built out our low cost manufacturing network around the world over the last several years built larger kind of opportunity.
These two to melt glass and create the product and bigger locations, where we're seeing good strength across I would say the geographies of North America, Europe, and India as well. So these key geographies that we focus on based upon all the work that's been done in the productivity.
Initiatives as well as building out a low cost footprint has really driven this business strongly when you. When you your question on pricing I will touch on.
As you know that we've quoted about two thirds of our business in the composites business is really tied to pricing as trade is tied to contracts and therefore, that's where the pricing comes from we feel like we had good solid pricing negotiations as we entered this year that was helped by where we saw the market's going and where our customers saw the market's going.
So that has been a positive player in the first quarter that we expect to continue.
I'll also tell you that for the other part of the business that's not tied to contracts. So it's more transactional pricing just based upon the strength of the demand across those markets, we're seeing favorable pricing.
Pricing trends as well and as long as that demand kind of holds up where it is we would expect to see not only good contract pricing that we've already negotiated but good transactional pricing as we move forward.
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And maybe I'll just come in and comment a little bit on the question on the administration's plans.
Honestly I think it's a little too early to get a good sense of how this is going to play out I know, there's going be a lot of negotiation, but in general when we look at infrastructure applications and our glass composites business.
In the U S. It would be probably approximately 10% of of demand glass demand kind of goes into traditional infrastructure applications in this space.
When we look at our share position in North America, which is very strong very high and you know certainly we would see the opportunity to benefit from any incremental and additional investments above that given on our high share position, but I think we will continue to.
You know evolve in our thinking in terms of opportunity as we see how plans shape up but certainly it creates an upside opportunity for us as it moves forward.
Okay.
The next question comes from Matthew Bouley of Barclays. Please go ahead.
Good morning, a nice quarter and thank you for taking the question.
I wanted to ask about installation and just given all the strength in.
North American fiberglass and residential construction.
To what extent are you taking on are beginning to take a bit of a longer view, there and to the extent any more capacity needs to come on line I know you've talked in the past about being a little more measured about bringing on some of your higher cost capacity, but presumably at some point given the time it takes to get these restarted yet.
I have to take a bit of a view. So I'm just curious your thoughts there on longer term capacity. Thank you.
Yeah. Thanks, Matt we continue to watch this very closely so if I if I go back a few quarters ago, when we restarted Kansas City, we said that we felt with Kansas City, we'd have enough capacity to service a market of roughly about a million and a half starts per year.
And we feel good about that we're bringing Casey up in between Kansas City incremental capacity or other productivity initiatives, we feel like that's still the right capacity that we've got to service that market going forward, but clearly we continue to look at out over the next year or two to see what what's going to emerge I think right now.
Starts have been running a little hotter than that the last few months, but when we look at consensus estimates for 'twenty, one and 'twenty. Two are they still are around one and a half million starts which is a very good housing environment to be in but.
But if we see that continuing to accelerate or we start to get a view of 22 or beyond moving up beyond that we certainly do have some options in our network that are capital efficient options that we could bring up some incremental capacity at some different facilities. We could also do some debottlenecking initiatives to get up more capacity.
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Think theres a few bottlenecks that we believe would need to be worked through before we could say, we think a longer term trend would be significantly above that one and a half million start but again. This is a very good market force and maintaining this pace of housing starts would be very good for our business over the next few years.
Okay.
The next question comes from Stephen Kim of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Thanks, a lot guys are justified Brian just if I could make an observation you know if you look at where housing starts are actually run from most of the last six months they've been running at a run rate that would suggest that the consensus is as it usually does it's lagging and I I would just.
Would be curious about any clarity you can provide about how much shorter lead time or some of your options that you have available to you to sort of bring on additional capacity sort of as a tail a follow on to Mike's question because the consensus is traditionally been wrong on forecasting big moves in starts.
I also really wanted to ask you about your guidance on roofing in arm are you sort of suggested that arm is going to be up 15% to 20, but you guys would only be up mid to high singles I wasn't sure. If your mid to high singles is just a shingles commentary.
To be comparable to that arm or are you throwing in maybe some some slower growth or even flat to down in line components or third party asphalt sales. So maybe just provide clarity on that that would be great.
Sure. Thanks Steven.
On the on the consensus estimates from you I think they.
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Good sense of how things could evolve over the next six to 12 months.
To answer your question around some of the timing I think we've got some debottlenecking initiatives that we could bring online within probably three or four quarters.
There's a few others that that could be a little less but I mean more significant volumes would be in probably under a year. If we chose to go do those things. So we do have some flexibility and we will keep watching the market environment and we'll make those decisions appropriately too to see and be able to feed our customers the product they need.
But again, we would want to be looking at some longer term trends that those accelerated rates are those higher rates before we'd be too aggressive bringing on a lot more capacity.
I think on on the roofing guide this is U S. Army shingle shipments are not components not other elements and really this is a bit of a comp issue. We have with Q2 of last year. So if you go back last year, we saw our sales in the first quarter of last year kind of lagged the market when things really started picking up in Q2.
Two we saw our shingle demand really accelerating so we shipped a lot of product we saw very strong growth on <unk>.
Last year Q2.
So when we look at this year's Q2, while we expect due to shift a little more sequentially from Q1, when we look at the year over year comps our growth rate for U S. Shingle shipments are just can be a little less.
But overall for the first half we're going to ship a lot more shingles into the market in the first half of last year and we feel good about our positions in the market.
Yeah.
The next question comes from Anthony <unk>.
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Hi, good morning.
You indicated your <unk> guidance still incorporate some volume headwinds from inventory catch up I'm just wondering at what point, you think that with as a headwind.
And then apologies if I missed this but was that a comment on inventories across your businesses are just wondering if you could give any more color on inventories in the in the three segments.
Yeah, I think inventory levels I'd say broadly in our channels are below historical averages I think that would be a fair statement across all of our or all three of our businesses. So and in roofing, we continue to see our manufacturing.
Manufacturing plant inventory levels at historically low levels, we continue to see most distribution inventory levels below historical averages I would say the same in most of our insulation segment certainly for our fiberglass insulation going into a residential applications and even in our composites business we.
We saw some.
Inventory try and buying patterns in Q4, we've continued to see that in Q1 and again I think overall, though the broad statement would be inventory levels in our channels with our channel partners are below historical averages and I think that the ability to catch up the other part of your question is really going to be a function of our out the door sales in.
End market demand right now in residential applications, we see very strong out the door sales I think the only thing that may be kind of limited some of that in certain parts of the U S. In the first quarter was winter weather, but it wasn't a lack of demand from contractors and builders for the products.
And I think we're broadly seeing that in our composites and some of our industrial markets as well as as production and manufacturing has ramped up I think people are playing catch up and in the supply chain remains very very tight. So I think it's going to be a potentially a few quarters before we would see any.
And inventory levels on our channel partners.
The next question comes from Michael Rehaut of Jpmorgan. Please go ahead.
Yes.
Thanks, Good morning, everyone.
My question has to do with.
<unk> cost as you look out for the rest of the year you.
A lot of moving pieces in in both across the different businesses.
No.
Can you know if you could just kind of quickly summarize where you were in and apologies for not getting through the queue quickly enough, but you know where you were in price cost across the businesses in the first quarter.
And you know given the announcement of price increases.
On to the extent that those are realized.
How you see the price cost dynamic.
Aggressive because obviously you know inflation.
We'll likely accelerate over the next couple of quarters.
Yeah. Good morning, Mike I think what we would have shown in the first quarter.
A positive price cost mix really across the whole company across all the businesses.
And that's been a real focus of us coming into the year and I think we go back to the last quarter's call, we talked about inflation pressures increasing as we entered the year. We thought there was a potential they could continue to escalate as we sit here now after the first quarter in the books, we were absolutely seeing.
On a more material inflation more transportation inflation as Ken said more petroleum based products that input really all three businesses. So.
Our focus has been and will continue to be being.
Being able to offset that inflationary pressure through productivity and price increases.
And that has allowed us to maintain a positive price cost mix in Q1 and through our guide where we are seeing sequential.
Earnings margin growth and you know.
We expect that with our current productivity initiatives current pricing actions.
And the expected inflation in Q2 that we can maintain that positive price cost mix and all the businesses coming into Q2, and finishing I think as we move into the back half of the year. This is something we are we're looking at expected inflation levels and we're trying to stay in front of it through some of the recent price announcements that we've made Bolton installation.
And in roofing. So our intent is to try to maintain a positive price cost mix as we move into the back half of the year clearly that's going to depend on on overall market conditions and inflationary pressures, we see but that is our intent and through the first quarter, we've achieved that and we expect to achieve that again in the second quarter. So we're gonna be looked.
At this kind of a quarter at a time as we work through the rest of the year and to give you the magnitude of numbers on the first quarter, because I know that you haven't had a chance to kind of scour through the Q yet.
As I mentioned earlier, we saw about 24, maybe a little bit more than that of inflation, specifically called out when you look at each of the three segments on a M. DNA. If you do the same thing across pricing you would see about $54 million of pricing. So some good positive price cost mix supporting bryans statements around where we are today on how we <unk>.
Tend to proactively stay ahead of that.
The next question comes from sales of Jefferies.
Jeffrey Please go ahead.
Hey, guys.
Brian I was just curious.
If you had any perspective on outlook on roofing volumes in the second half as you kind of lap tougher comps.
Products still on allocation when you kind of expect lead times to get back to normal for inventory.
And does that provide kind of a a buffer from a channel fill dynamic in the back half.
Hey, good morning sales.
Second half volumes for us I think theres going to be to kind of variables that we continue to watch one is gonna be storm demand.
Because as you know storm volume makes up on average about 30% of overall market demand for roofing shingles. So you know last.
Last year, we had a pretty robust.
On a storm season, and generating some incremental storm demand. So I think part of the third quarter fourth quarter demand profile is going to depend on kind of how storms evolve and what happens over the next couple of months. So I think we're going to have a better view of that when we get on the next quarter call and then the second variable is really going to be fourth quarter demand.
That's generally an opportunity for manufacturers to catch up a little bit of inventory, it's an opportunity for our distributors to catch up a little bit on inventories because generally when winter weather hits.
Just the season ramps down.
The door sales ramp down we did not see that last year fourth quarter, we had a really warm weather and with the contracted backlog that was available.
Roofing demand was the strongest fourth quarter, we've seen in over 10 or 15 years. So I think those are the two comps in the second half we're going to face into in terms of storm demand and then fourth quarter demand now having said that I think we expect the market to be very robust through the first half.
I would think that even if the demand drivers trend down a little bit given where inventory levels are at a we're going to continue to run and I think distributors would would use it as an opportunity to potentially restock a little bit.
So I think the real wildcard on the year over year comps is probably going to come into the fourth quarter, and that's where the seasonal impact is pretty large.
And I think that may just be impacted by weather, but right now I mean demand drivers for remodeling renovation.
It is very very strong so are we done.
See anything kind of taking.
The net.
The gas off of that demand profile I think it's more going to be on the storm demand and how that plays out in the back half of the year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The next question comes from comes from Keith Hughes of Truest. Please go ahead.
Thank you questions in insulation on the technical and other and other building insulation they've got on.
Really strong guide here for the second quarter.
On mid teens, if you could give us any sort of field.
When youre, saying within the U S versus Europe different end user markets, what's stronger than others.
Yeah. Thanks Keith.
Right now I'd say, we were seeing broad demand strength across all of our product platforms and our technical insulation business that comprises of mineral wall.
One glass foam insulation products.
And just kind of as a reset so about a third of the revenue on our technical insulation business is driven by residential applications about two thirds in nonresidential. So the products that touch the residential end markets.
In the U S. For example would be like our flex duck.
Materials that go in and residential HVAC applications.
In Europe, it would be mineral wall, which is more commonly used in residential construction. So about a third of that of our of our business and technical is really being driven by some of the residential applications and strength, we're seeing on both the U S and Europe. So that's given us a good lift and then in the non res, we really have a broad.
Set of end market applications around commercial industrial so we see you know on commercial we're in data centers, we're in warehouses, where in airports museums and office settings. So I think that broad distribution of of applications. We're seeing some just emerging strength across all of those are in both U S and Europe.
Commercial projects were really completing where we're starting to see the project pipeline build a little bit architectural billing index, which is something that's tracked here on the U S is showing some improvement there. So we're seeing that continuing to work and then I'd say the last part of our our strength is really where we're seeing the benefits of.
Some recent product launches. So innovation is critical and product innovation is very important that we keep inventing.
Inventing and bringing new products and new materials to market I think last quarter I talked about our foam and E. N G X product, which is a more sustainable product solution.
That is really getting great traction so I would say some of it's market strength and some of it is our execution and some benefits on some product launches that we've seen a nice rebound in business and certainly we're guiding to be up pretty significantly here in Q2 going forward. So we think we're very well positioned with these product platforms and we think with some of the law.
Longer term growth trends in each of these categories, we're well positioned for a few years in this category.
The next question comes from Derrick.
On the capital. Please go ahead.
Great. Thank you.
30 million fixed cost absorption benefit that you saw in the quarter is there any way to parse that out between the segments and how should we think about that figure moving forward is this the base level at these capacity levels that you're operating at or could that number flex, maybe a little bit higher as demand improves.
Gary can you talking within insulation or composites are.
Maybe if you could do with her on the those businesses yes.
Yeah, Okay for installation I mean cause there.
Ironically, they're both day now are on our glass melting businesses bolt on insulation and composites were expecting about the same level of.
Production improvement on a quarter over quarter basis year over year of about $30 million in insulation I'd say, it's it's going to be probably a little more heavily centered towards our technical inflation on our product platforms, where again, we're ramping up quite a bit to service the demand that I just spoke about and then we are continuing to get a little bit of operating leverage.
Back on on some of the residential side, so, but I think it's in both segments of insulation that are seeing the benefits. As we are is we really are trying to run pretty much full out on our assets and then in composites. It again it is broad brush all of our non glass melting furnaces really globally are.
We are running.
At high capacity in order to service the demand. So it's a there's no one geography, that's a really.
Laying out any more significantly than another in terms of where we're ramping up production or not we're really ramping up production and have ramped up production.
Around the globe in our composites business that we're seeing that $30 million really across the board.
Okay.
The next question comes from Reuben Garner of benchmark. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Good morning, guys and I have some connection issues. If you already answered this apologies, but I.
I wanted to ask about the installation in the quarter and the outlook, 13% volume growth I think it said in the Q.
Would certainly be better.
Better than I think what the industry saw.
All in.
And similarly in your outlook for 25% growth I guess the question is what kind of market assumptions.
Are you baking in there and maybe how and why are you guys able to gain.
The gain share is it mostly you know ramping up your production in the fiberglass side or are there other thing geographies or <unk>.
End markets that you're exposed to that or maybe performing better than the market right now.
Yeah. The volume increases you talked about are spot on in terms of what we what we achieved in Q1, and then and what we've got it here in Q2, I'd say a couple of things. One is we have ramped up capacity. This is gonna be really primarily in our residential insulation business in North America, where this volume growth is setting in.
And it's a function I think of some additional capacity that we're bringing on so we do have the opportunity now to probably.
Slightly outstripped the market performance in terms of where we're adding capacity and then I think it is though as much a focus on just our great commercial partnerships our product quality in the products that we're bringing to market. So there is some availability that we are bringing on stream.
It gives us some opportunities.
I'd say with that that additional availability of capacity. We are very focused on just improving the service cycles of our customers in trying to help them in the market. So that's where our focus is in terms of.
So maybe some of the the share gains that we potentially will see I think will be kind of a strengthening in working with existing customers around commercial partnerships and making sure we're supporting their growth.
Yeah.
Your next question comes from Truman Patterson of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Brian and good morning, and thanks for taking my question.
So just wanted.
Not to beat a dead horse.
Do you have a very favorable multi view multiyear outlook for housing starts as well, but just wanted to understand the dynamics a little bit near term you all in U S. Resi installation you brought your JC plant back online there are a couple of competitors, bringing on some leesville installation in the back of the year.
How do you think about.
At year end industry capacity.
In relation to housing starts is it enough to fill 151 6 million starts is there any number you could help us with and then also.
Is somewhat embedded in this.
With the additional capacity coming on line do you think that likely leads.
Maybe not quite as robust pricing I mean, we've you know.
With the most recent one in June we've essentially had four hikes in the past year.
Yeah, Truman I think on the capacity side, if I, if I did on a put a dimension on.
We've said that with Kansas City coming up and in our productivity. We felt comfortable we could service at this kind of one 5 million housing starts I think I've said in the past with some of the loose fill capacity. That's the that's the two facilities you are talking about in the back half of the year would bring on some additional news Phil that we think given the market strength.
Net that capacity would just be folded in and consumed pretty readily.
And that was it was going to be something that we didn't think it was going to be a big event in terms of industry dynamics.
I still think that's the case I think one thing to keep in mind and it goes a little bit on roofing as well, particularly in insulation.
I believe that Theres installed capacity to service, one five or a little more now the challenges we're facing similar to roofing last spring we had to curtail production. There was from production, sometimes we had to take so.
We lost some production that we're going to be able to kind of make up this year with assets running at a at a higher level than last year. So on a full year basis with the capacity. We've added and then the production time that we've added versus last year. We do think there's there was additional capacity we have the services market. That's why I keep coming back to we feel pretty good.
About at the current level.
On the on the pricing front.
We've taken on a third price increase in the year.
Really it's as a response to the inflationary environment that we're facing into so I think the market. We expect overall is going to remain very very good over the next few years I think we're going to be continuing to look at the market opportunities are and that we have and then we're going to compare that against inflationary pressures.
And that's a big driver of our third increase just to kind of stay in front of it as we've talked about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hi, Andrea this is amber we have time for one last question.
Okay and that question will come from Susan Mcclary of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Thank you good morning, everyone.
And my question is thinking about the raw material environment for roofing.
The last couple of years, we've seen asphalt kind of decoupled from WTO, you're kind of global oil prices as you think about some of the dynamics in the oil markets. Today do you expect that those two will move closer as we move through 2021, and what does that mean as you think about the asphalt pricing as we move through the year.
Yeah, Thanks, Jim I'm not sure if we're too bullish on them moving a little closer in your objective right I mean asphalt costs in relation to <unk> staged stubbornly high and on the last couple of years and I think probably a bigger driver of that has been really asphalt supply availability and that's something we watch it.
In terms of inflationary pressure, we're looking into in Q2, and then for the second half is going to be one underlying W. Ti costs, which would certainly have moved up but the second is our refinery utilization rates, which I've talked about from the last year have been well below historical averages and since asphalt is a byproduct of that refining process with refinery.
He's down it limits the asphalt supply so I think we would need to see refinery.
Refinery utilization rates get back to kind of historical averages for a time.
There could be some inventory building as it could be some more asphalt supply availability you put in place and I think at that time, we could potentially see that relationship between asphalt on WTO I kind of come back to some more normal ranges, but.
I don't think we see it in the near term, but certainly longer term that that is the environment that would create that opportunity.
Okay.
This concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to Brian Chambers for any closing remarks.
Okay, well thanks, everyone for your time today for your questions and for joining us.
In closing I'd, just add first quarter performance has really provided a strong start to the year. Our teams continued to execute at a very high level against our operating priorities and we believe we are positioned well to build on this momentum over the balance of 'twenty 'twenty. One. So we look forward to speaking with you again in July during our second quarter call and until then I Hope you and your families remain healthy and safe.
Thanks.
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