Q1 2021 Inter Pipeline Ltd Earnings Call
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to inter pipeline first quarter in 2021 conference call and webcast I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Jeremy Roberto Vice President Finance Investor Relations of Inter pipeline. Please go ahead Mr book.
Thank you Gabriel and good morning, everyone on the call with me today are Chris Bayle, Inter pipeline's, President and Chief Executive Officer, Brent Heagy, Chief Financial Officer, Jeff Marchant, Senior Vice President Transportation, and Cory Neufeld, Vice President NGL.
On today's call, Chris will discuss recent developments, including the business segment restructuring HBC and the ongoing strategic review process.
Brent will discuss our Q1 2021 financial performance and will provide a brief update on recent financing and risk management activities.
Wed like to remind you that certain information on this conference call may contain forward looking information that involves risks uncertainties and assumptions.
Such information, although considered reasonable by inter pipeline at this time May day.
Later prove incorrect and actual results may differ materially from those stated or implied by our comments today.
Undue reliance should not be placed on such information.
Discussion of the related risk factors, uncertainties and assumptions is available in our MD&A, which you can find on our website or at SEDAR Dot Com. Please go ahead Chris.
Thanks, Jeremy and good morning, everybody.
To date 2021 has certainly been an active year for inter pipeline.
I'm immensely proud of our recent achievements, including the successful completion of the business segment reorganization that was effective January 1st.
As well as the announcement of strong commercial contracting support from the Heartland petrochemical complex.
These accomplishments are compounded by the recent strength in commodity prices and has created positive momentum for inter pipeline as we continue to demonstrate the resiliency and focus on operational excellence and value creation.
As a result of our business reorganization inter pipe now reports its financial results under four new business segments transportation facilities infrastructure marketing and new ventures.
This structure aligns with how inter pipeline manages budgets and commercially operated businesses as well as the lines are.
External reporting with our energy infrastructure peers.
Transportation and facilities infrastructure segments are designed to provide additional transparency on our stable cost of service and fee based adjusted EBITDA.
While the creation of an integrated marketing segment Centralizes, our commodity base, adjusted EBITDA and enhances our ability to proactively manage our commodity risk and related hedging activities.
Our remaining segment New ventures includes HBC and focuses on the development of large scale projects designed to create material new cash flow streams on.
Confident that this structure will set <unk> up for long term success as we continue to grow that business.
Moving to the Heartland petrochemical complex on April five 2021.
<unk> announced that it had been awarded $408 million on cash grant under the Alberta petrochemical incentive program where EBIT.
We're extremely pleased with this outcome, which clearly demonstrates a high level of government support for the project.
In turn inter pipe continues to support the Alberta economy since inception more than 150, Alberta businesses have contributed to the construction of HBC.
Over the four year construction period, we estimate <unk> will have created approximately 16000 direct and indirect fulltime jobs generated $200 million of tax revenue for the provincial and municipal governments and added approximately $3 billion directly into the upward on economy.
On April 22nd we provided a fulsome commercial update on the projects on.
I'm proud to reiterate the great progress we have made in securing high quality long term take or pay contracts for approximately 60% of <unk> production capacity.
Seven arm's length Counterparties have executed agreements with a weighted average term of approximately nine years and include Canadian and multinational energy producers in North American polypropylene consumer.
Under these contracts, we generate a stable return on capital.
Plus fixed operating and variables fees with no exposure to commodity price fluctuations.
I am pleased to confirm that the conditions associated with the one agreement referred to in the April 22nd.
News release have been satisfied.
Ultimately our adjusted this to secure a minimum of 70% of <unk> production capacity under this contracting framework and advanced negotiations are proceeding with a number of additional counterparties.
You have these negotiations we successfully concluded we would be in a position to exceed our minimum contracting objective in advance of the facilities, becoming operational in early 2022.
In addition to the commercial update we highlighted our adjusted EBITDA estimate for 2023.
First full year of operations of $400 million to $450 million.
We expect approximately 70% of this range to be generated by a combination of stable take or pay adjusted EBITDA currently executed contracts.
And a fixed cash grant received through eight net we also expect approximately 85% of this take or pay cash flow and EBIT grant will be from investment grade counterparties or private firms with investment grade owners.
We have negotiated additional financial assurances for those entities that are non investment grade such as letters of credit and prepayment provisions and other applicable credit enhancements.
We believe the 2023 EBITDA range is quite achievable and underpinned by a set of prudent and conservative operating and commodity price assumptions.
For example, we have assumed a north American posted polypropylene to Edmonton propane spread below the historical average and nearly half of the current spread.
We have also assumed a sensible two year production capacity ramp up period, coupled with higher than average operating cost estimate.
Inter pipe expects HBC will generate a 10 year average annual adjusted EBITDA of 450 $500 million per year.
Okay.
On site productivity remained strong and we continue to track towards the scheduled in service date early 2022.
To transition our efforts from heavy construction, two operational and commissioning activities construction of the central utility block or Cub.
To provide power and steam to both the PTH MPP facilities is preceding well mechanical completion is expected during the third quarter with full power to the grid in the fourth quarter.
Coupled the operated by inter pipeline, but it's owned by <unk> capital.
Currently on site construction is approximately 90% complete for <unk> and Cup.
And our pipeline also recently completed a detailed review of its total capital cost for HBC as the propane dehydrogenation facility approaches mechanical completion this model.
The estimated final cost of the complex is $4 2 billion, which is a slight increase over our previous estimate and includes additional expenses associated with keeping our workers safe while managing through the challenges associated with the COVID-19 pandemic the.
The majority of the additional capital is expected to be incurred in late 2021.
Lastly, I'd like to highlight that we're building HBC with us with sustainability top of mind.
Through the use of advanced technology, and onsite hydrogen augmented power and utilities generation. The polypropylene produced at HBC is anticipated to have a <unk> emissions footprint that is 65% lower than the global average.
Based on third party lifecycle assessment are full at full operating capacity converting 22000 barrels per day of propane into 525 tons per year of polypropylene will reduce <unk> emissions by approximately 45% and prevent 1 million tons of Sidoti <unk> from entering the atmosphere annually.
This is equivalent to removing roughly 217000 passenger vehicles from our roads each year or all of the GHT emissions that we produce from our Canadian operations during 2019.
Now I would like to turn things over to Brent to discuss our financial performance. Please go ahead Brian.
Well, thank you, Chris and good morning, everyone.
Financial results under our new reporting framework based on adjusted EBITDA also a certain G&A expenses previously classified as corporate G&A are now allocated to operating segments to improve financial transparency and also cost management.
During the first quarter inter pipeline generated a strong adjusted EBIT of $278 million compared to $264 million during the same period in 2020.
The increase was largely attributable to strong operational performance and higher realized commodity pricing, partially offset from the sale of 15 European storage terminals in November of 2020.
On from operations for the quarter was 239 million or <unk> 56 per share compared to 208 million or <unk> 49 per share during the same period in 2020 and was favorably impacted by the same factors as previously mentioned.
On a segmented basis, the transportation business generated $211 million of adjusted EBITDA during the quarter, representing a 9% decrease from $233 million for the same quarter of 2020 net was largely due to the European storage sale.
Our pipeline remains in a process to finalize the milk river asset swap with brains Midstream Kennedy you all see the milk River pipeline system and associated infrastructure will become part of the transportation segment and is expected to generate approximately $25 million of annual EBITDA.
The transaction should conclude in the first half of 2021 <unk>.
<unk> infrastructure segment generated adjusted EBITDA of $33 million during the first quarter, a decline of 24% compared to $44 million before during the same quarter of last year. The decrease was primarily due to lower inter straddle plant volume as well as higher equaled natural gas and power prices.
I am pleased to announce that subsequent to the quarter inter pipeline entered into a new fee based arrangement with Nova for ethane sales after conquering extraction plant.
Effective January one 2025 noble will purchase the majority of Cochran's annual ethane production under this agreement.
The marketing segment's first quarter 2021, adjusted EBITDA was $74 million compared to 3 million in the same quarter of 2020, a significant increase.
Rates to higher realized pricing, particularly free Ngls and crude oil results were impacted by higher natural gas shrinkage and butane costs as well as a $16 5 million realized loss on.
Risk management activities, primarily related to PGP, and propane sales and ROA and propane plus products at Cochrane on.
<unk> segment, New ventures contains business and operational readiness costs directly related to the Heartland petrochemical complex and resulted in a negative $10 million of adjusted EBITDA as the facility is not yet in service. So now I would like to turn things over to Jeremy So Jeremy. Please go ahead.
Great. Thank you Brent.
Turning to the balance sheet inter pipeline remains committed to maintaining financial flexibility and has continued to build off the financing activity completed last year.
During the quarter, we repaid $325 million of medium term notes that matured in February with funds available on our revolving credit facility. In addition, we reduced the pricing margin and extended the maturity on our 1 billion dollar unsecured revolving credit facility to December 2022.
We also reduced borrowing costs associated with a $500 million term loan facility that now matures in August of 2022.
It's important to note that into pipeline has no remaining debt maturities in 2020 one it remains well positioned to fund its capital program, including HBC on a standalone basis.
As at March 31, 21, we had over $2 billion of Undrawn committed credit capacity and had a net debt to total capitalization ratio of 42, 6%, which is significantly below our maximum bank covenant level of 65%.
Most are pleased that S&P upgraded inter pipeline outlook to stable on the back of strong take or pay contracting levels from H B C and the expected deleveraging that has to occur once the facility ramps up operations.
On the risk management front inter pipeline use utilize this derivative financial instruments as part of this active hedging program to manage commodity risk exposures reduced volatility and stabilized commodity based EBITDA.
For the second quarter of 2021 inter pipeline this hedged crude oil NGL and natural gas representing approximately 30% of our total volume exposure and 25% for the balance of the year.
Now I'd like to turn things back to Chris for some final remarks.
Thanks, Jeremy.
So finally on update on the strategic review process. So the special committee consistent with its fiduciary duties and acting in the best interest of the company and all of its shareholders is evaluating a broad range of options, including the process to secure a partner to produce a material interest in the heartland complex.
We expect to provide an update on the entire strategic review in advance of Brookfield positive hostile bid expiry in early June.
As we have previously indicated the board of inter pipeline believes that the hostile bid significantly undervalues. Our business is opportunistic and is not in the best interests of our shareholders to reject the hostile bid shareholders simply need to take no action.
We're very excited about inter pipeline future and the pending startup on HBC and we continue to remain focused on executing our business plan and maximizing value for all shareholders.
As a reminder, inter pipeline will be hosting a virtual tour of the Heartland complex on May 12, 2021 at two P. M Mountain time tour will highlight construction progress and the operational readiness of the facility to register please visit inter pipeline's corporate website website at inter pipeline Dot com.
Before turning the call over for questions I wish to acknowledge Richard Charles retirement, and sincerely. Thank him for his contributions and many years of service as enterprise.
Inter pipeline's chair of the board of Directors I would also like to acknowledge Ms. Margaret Mckenzie, who has been appointed as our New Board chair.
MS. Mckenzie has served on other pipelines board for over five years and brings over 30 years of experience in the energy sector.
This concludes the formal portion of the conference call I would now like to turn the meeting back over to Gabriel to open the floor for questions. Thank you.
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At this time, if you'd like to ask a question simply press star one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw question press. The pound key first question will come from Patrick Kenny of National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, guys I'm, just maybe on the HBC EBITDA guidance I'm wondering if you could just walk us through.
Through how you get.
You know towards the longer term $4 $50 million to $500 million range from I guess closer to 300 of the gate in 2023, if we exclude the EBIT ground.
Sure Patrick gets a Brent Heagy I'll take that question and I'm sure.
Chris will probably have some comments also.
So yes in the long term, we continue to expect HPT HBC to generate.
Approximately $450 million to $500 million of annual average adjusted EBITDA. So I'll just walk through some of the assumptions as to how we get there. So the first one assumption is that we achieved the minimum contracting objective with 70 per cent of the current complex production capacity under the take or pay contracts and those are with <unk>.
Arm's length third parties.
That average is a 10 year average for the complex excluding 2022.
When we talk about the North American P. P to Edmonton propane spread that's at about at about 1400 U S dollars per ton on that would be in line with our historical average and that achieves the midpoint on a long term adjusted EBITDA guidance range.
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The next thing is is there the debottleneck and is planned for 2025, and so that Debottleneck, we expect on lock available capacity in.
In the complex and it will give us the additional 10% over the 525 K T stated capacity and so in the long term, we expect net production to exceed 525 on a K T. Eight when it comes to operating expenses through our normalized operating expenses debt.
Approximate the fixed and variable fees that are charged within the take or pay contracts.
And there are assumed to be elevated in the ramp up years, but we expect that those costs will normalize.
Okay. Thanks for that color Brent.
The pandemic, obviously had a material impact on the capital cost here.
It doesn't appear to have had much of an impact on the long term EBITDA guidance. Despite some if not all of these new safety protocols likely here to stay for a while so.
Just maybe if you could walk us through the flow through nature of some of these new costs that will be incurred on a on an operating basis going forward.
Yeah pads, Chris So there is a component of the cost structure that is directly flow through that's what's the marketing costs and transportation costs.
The remainder of the of the cost structure is essentially the operating fees, both fixed and variable. We've established are designed to offset the actual cost.
Okay. So no.
Absorption of these new pandemic related costs by shareholders, that's going to be all on the shippers.
Well a day of the day when this plant is up and running in 2022.
We're not forecasting that will be material ongoing COVID-19 related operating cost at that point.
So are you guys might have lost you there I'll jump back in the queue.
And our next question will come from Robert Kwan of RBC. Please go ahead.
Good morning.
Just turning back to the guidance in the $4 $50 million to $500 million.
Good day.
And that being a 10 year average I guess, if you look at the $408 million grant that is the way to think about it than that.
On the lack of a better term amortized basis about $40 million of that number.
As the grants on that the underlying actual operational is more like 405, $404 58 a year.
Although I don't think that's how we would do the math.
Robert the.
So you know the way, we think about a pip it literally literally does bridge the facility the EBITDA of the facility as we ramp up and just emphasize some of the points Sprint's always already made.
We have.
We have.
Consciously made some what we think quite conservative assumptions in the early years of this plan. So that we don't over promise on the early years EBITDA guidance here and the conservatism is really built into three pillars. One is the the operating profile ramp up.
Certainly we could do better in terms of the operating availability of the plant over the over a two year period, but we've looked at what other similar facilities have done in the past.
And we assumed a conservative ramp up schedule in that regard. We also have burden the EBITDA with with higher operating costs like Brent mentioned simply because on the earlier is that these plants. There can be some unexpected things that you need to do as you're ramping up the plant and we wanted to make sure we had.
Our conservative view on those costs, we could also.
Not incur those costs, so we could outperform and on that basis.
And.
The.
The third thing is the commodity price debt clearly we have no control over what the actual spread is going to be between polypropylene and propylene.
And propane so we took a notch down from our historical average, which we think is appropriate in this regard, but if we're wrong.
And the.
The actual spread in 2023 for example is the <unk> hundred.
U S dollars per ton.
You can add an extra roughly $60 million to our EBITDA guidance for example.
So when we layer. This all together we think we've got the right bridge up to full operating capability and we're highly confident in our long term guidance from 450 to 500.
Particularly because we continue to use it.
Our conservative view on the commodity price deck at 1400 historical average again, we could easily beat that number if you could just add on.
One or $200 to that average spread over that period of time.
Okay got it totally makes sense, just sticking with a P. H b C and the modest cost increase here.
When you gave the $4 billion number.
Year ago that did include contingency is there del contingency in the 4.2 billion like is that apples to apples from that point of view and has there been any productivity loss that's worked into that impact.
Impacting schedule from your point of view.
Well the way I would describe this.
The $4 2 billion, what we did was a general refinement of the total project costs year on for Bob over the last little while and certainly the continued impact of COVID-19, which includes additional costs to keep our workers safe has played a role in the modest cost increase and there's also been I would say a bit of a productivity impact because of those additional.
Safety protocols that we had to put in place debt that has already been factored into our schedule on this cost profile on.
On the contingency side, yes.
Yes, roughly half or $100 million of the $200 million refinement.
Is unallocated contingency.
In my opinion that provides a meaningful cushion for I'll call. It unanticipated events before the plant is completed.
Okay that makes sense, if I can just finish on facilities infrastructure and I think if some of this is just related to the re segmentation but.
Can you talk about how much the volume impacts in the quarter impacted results you also mentioned.
Power and if you can just talk about that in the last as you talked about <unk> gas and I'm. Just wondering how is the eco gas factoring into the facilities segment is it some sort of allocation.
And you're now in your new inter corporate tab.
Exchange.
Yes, Robert it's Cory Neufeld here.
About.
Half of that debt.
Alta.
The EBITDA was associated with lower ethane volume at our Empress facility.
And your comments about echo it's related to fuel cost that we incur operating our facilities.
So we saw higher <unk> costs in Q1 due to the extreme cold weather. So we saw a combination of higher <unk> cost and power cost that drove our operating costs higher that shows up in our facility infrastructure.
Just to clarify Robert.
The shrinkage gas.
Okay, so the facilities and infrastructure segments still as the fee based ethane contracts and the shrinkage gas related to that.
<unk> three plus.
Shrinkage gas storage shrinkage gas related to see three plus ultimately ends up being in the marketing segment.
Got it okay. So about half a day year over year Delta was volumes on <unk> and the other half was.
Lump it into all the Opex stock from putting power.
Yes, that's correct.
Okay perfect. Thank you.
Your next question on come from Andrew Koskey of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Good morning.
I guess a question on really revolves around on your hedging program and.
How have things evolved just from the philosophy of hedging and then the actual hedging.
The re segmentation of the business how are your parts of things different layers are consistent with the past and then how do you see this evolving with H H Christie on the pull them on an operational basis from the future.
Sure I'll take that question so brand hagy, So you know.
The restructuring of our business segments.
Obviously, one of the primary drivers for it is as we wanted to get all of our commodity exposure centralized.
And so that's now happened obviously with the creation of the new marketing segment.
And so when we went through this business reorganization one of the things. We wanted to do is to get much more visibility and understanding as to what our commodity exposure is and then to really start more actively managing it to start reduced to start reducing the volatility within.
That segment. So you know in the first quarter, we were very fortunate that we saw some very strong pricing, particularly for our <unk>.
Polymer grade propylene.
I think polymer grade propylene actually hit a record price we've seen a lot of volatility since but certainly we were able to lock in some of that pricing at the same thing was with propane.
So we ended up on doing some hedging and so we've laid out all of our hedges in our financial statements on that.
Would you will see from US is we're going to be a continuing with a much more active hedging program.
You layer on the hedges in that always depends on business conditions.
At the time now when HBC comes on Yeah, we will have a component where we're going to have some commodity price exposure.
And yeah, we will certainly look to hedge some of that exposure at that time.
On some facility gets up and running and it again depends on market conditions.
You know at the time, but I think my message is we're going to be much more involved.
In hedging activities with the view of reducing on the volatility of commodity pricing in the organization.
Appreciate that color and then I guess the second question. It's an extension of the first one that risk management on the hedging program.
I think on one of your more recent presentations you outlined the priorities really being balance sheet strength return capital to shareholders on the growth investments.
We focus on those first two just the more active hedging program.
That should help on your balance sheet strength, and then maybe we could talk a little bit about just return capital to shareholders on the path to dividend restoration.
There's sort of a view on that and do all these things triangulate together.
Well this is Chris they certainly do triangulate together.
Really want to emphasize the fact that it's.
Of Paramount importance to have a very strong balance sheet.
And it's not like we have years of that's a heavy lift for years to accomplish that the startup of HBC essentially re rates the balance sheet almost immediately with the large influx of cash flow that we're going to receive beginning in 2022.
The.
When it comes to return on capital to shareholders certainly that's top of mind for the board.
We are in a probably a very unique position amongst our peers, where we do have a sizable growth in cash flow coming up in a quite short period of time at a very low payout ratio. Currently so there's a significant room to review the dividend in the not too distant future.
On the board of course is for.
It is very aware of that and finally.
When it comes to future growth.
Oh.
With a strong balance sheet.
A review of the dividend there is still significant free cash flow in the business to fund the dish.
Equity self finance new investments in the business and I think the company will take a very practical view on that in the future.
Okay. Thank you.
Your next question will come from Rob Hope of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Hello, everyone.
Just in terms of the strategic review process as well as the.
Additional contracting information that you've provided recently.
Want to get a sense like was this always known during the strategic review or is this new information for a number of the I guess, the participants and I guess.
<unk> you know with.
With you going out and saying that you have 60% contracted.
You know as this spring further discussions for uptake.
So I'm not sure I understood. The first part of your question of what what.
What were you asking was new lift from possibly new information from you.
Yeah, what was the fact that heartland with 60% contracted always known for the participants on the strategic review or is that kind of a new an incremental piece.
Exactly sure how best to answer that question I think the.
On the folks in the strategic review, we're Privy to.
The exact information on the status of the project I guess at the time would probably be the best way to answer that question.
And certainly we.
We view the the positive news we've had we've enjoyed here over the last few months, including government support the strong contracted profile of HBC is very positive for the for the strategic review process for obvious reasons.
Really derisk the project and substantiates its value.
Alright, Thank you for that and just as a follow up now with 60% contracted in I'll call. It an incremental 10% open permanent project had been deferred.
How have conversations to secure additional offtake picked up or is that still.
A bit of a longer term process.
I'm quite pleased with where we're at today, but we have active negotiations on what's up with a number of Counterparties I think the fact that we are close to the finish line on contracting is certainly spring people too.
To really understand that once we're once we say we're done contracted we're done on that opportunity is lost share for years for folks who.
Who otherwise would've wanted capacity.
So that's a very helpful dynamic and like I said in my prepared remarks, I think I remain confident that we're in a good position to achieve our minimum contracting guidance here before the facility operates if if some of these active negotiations are concluded.
Excellent. Thank you for the color.
Next question will come from <unk> Satish of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Good afternoon, I wanted to ask about the Debottlenecking plant at <unk> in 2025, I guess, what exactly does this project entail what would be the cost and then why wait until 2025 can you do it sooner.
Well this.
It's Chris I'll take that question with with integrated facilities like this it is very common debt at the the first scheduled turnaround that there are numerous debottleneck investments that are made.
And they're generally smaller scale projects that might be equipment modifications piping changes things like that that can unlock additional capacity in a world scale facility like this.
So the way we arrived at this scale at this estimate is simply we spent a lot of time with the technology providers and other experts.
With these facilities and looked at what had been done at other facilities in the past and I mean, dozens and dozens of facilities to see what is a reasonable assumption for for Debottlenecking a facility because until you start up the facility you cant specifically identify where the bottom bottlenecks or you need some operating history to do.
And that's how we landed at 10%, which we think is up it's a very reasonable and conservative assumption in this regard of the capital we won't be in a position to disclose capital until we actually identify these these specific projects but.
But the Capex looking at what other folks have invested it is it is relatively small.
We're talking we're not talking a big investment here.
Yes.
Okay that makes sense and then.
You got most of the contracts you need for H B C. At this point and leverage it looks like it's going to come down quite a bit when HBC is up and running so I guess my question is why are you looking to potentially sell on interest in H P. C. At this point is it because you want to you on a partner that might bring contracts on the project project or do you think you could get a.
Valuation uplift just wondering if you could talk through the rationale there.
But those you mentioned two good good reasons frankly, why what we're a partner could add value I think it also I think helps the market.
Value the investment if there's a pull it up.
Third party partner brought into the project.
It does lower our single project exposure to a degree as well, but you know I think I've mentioned this many times as the project gets very close to going in and service the benefit of bringing on the partner becomes less and less and that's why we've been clear for quite some time that this profit partnering process will terminate one way or the other in the first half of this year.
Got it thanks.
And your next question on come from Robert Kelly of CIBC. Please go ahead.
So a couple more questions on the HPLC Rob here.
Alright, it looks like you're giving us a 10 year average of.
$4 50 to 500 exploring 2022.
Have a sense of when you might see a first well per single year in the four to 500 range in other words, what I'm trying to figure out here is it really contingent on the Debottlenecking that you just went over or can you Oh.
To achieve that rate sooner.
Yes, we don't have we're not in a position here to provide a guess as to which year.
We could actually achieve that that range, although I would point out I guess just building off my earlier remarks, if you just make a relatively small adjustment in the polypropylene propane spread.
Can hit that target.
Alright, so its not contingent on the Debottlenecking on.
No theres a theres a lot of variables that go into that long term guidance on the de bottleneck is just one of them.
Okay. There was also.
A timeline or a time horizon going from four times leverage in the presentation what to.
What's the reasonable timeline there.
But obviously, depending on business conditions, but we're quite confident that shortly after heartland comes online and starts to ramp up to its full potential we will be.
Well within that target.
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Okay last question from me you have you disclosed the new fee based agreement.
For Nova.
For ethane sales like Hawker and.
It starts in 2025, what is the logic for that start date is that when the rest of your contract expired on how things available or what informs that.
On a 25 day.
Yes, Corey here that's correct that's.
When our current contracts come off on January one 2025, so all we've done is.
Extend our contract period.
Okay. Thank you.
And we have no further questions at this time I'll now turn the call back over to Jeremy for closing remarks.
Well, great day, and thank you and apologize I know, we had a couple of cut outs. During the calls we're going to look into that but if there's any.
Any further follow up piece. Please call the Investor Relations Department will help go through any any clarity if things were missed but do want to thank you for participating on our call today and we look forward to discussing our second quarter 2021 results with you on August the fifth thank you.
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining you may now disconnect.
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