Q1 2021 EverQuote Inc Earnings Call
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Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us for the first quarter 2021 ever quote earnings call with me today is Jamie mental P. L of Evercore and John Wagner CFO of Africa. During the call. We will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward looking statements under federal Securities law.
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Which is on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the available on our Investor Relations section of our website at Investor day ever quote Dot com and on the SEC's website at SEC Gov. The that I'll turn the call every day, Jamie Mendel CEO of Evercore.
Thank you Brent Lee and thank you everyone for joining us today.
I reflect on my first full quarter as CEO I would first like to say that I am grateful for our team who in spite of an unexpected the leadership transition and ongoing challenging circumstances in the pandemic has continued to execute so well.
I am grateful for our late founder in France, Seth Birnbaum, when pardon me a clear sense of what the possible given the enormity of the market opportunity in front of us and who prepared me to lead Evercore, what's remarkable team and building what I'm increasingly confident we will become an industry changing company over the long term.
Evercore to vision is to become the largest online source of insurance policies by using data and technology to make insurance simpler more affordable and personalized.
My confidence continues to grow and our ability to realize our vision as our team executes consistently against our long term plan.
Nearly a year after drafting and several quarters into executing this plan I am encouraged by our ability to balance consistent operational execution quarter after quarter with methodical investments and new growth platforms like our verified partner network on the consumer side of the marketplace and our direct to consumer agency on the distribution side.
Turning to the quarter, we delivered favorable results across all key metrics in Q1.
We achieved year over year growth in revenue and variable marketing margin or V. M M of 28% and 32%, respectively and generated expanding adjusted EBITDA, while continuing to invest in strategic initiatives.
We are proud of this performance, especially in the context of the strong first quarter of 2020.
Let me provide you an update on each of our four growth levers, which include number one attracting more shoppers number two growing insurance provider coverage and budget number three optimizing and deepening consumer provider engagement.
And number four expanding non auto verticals.
So let me begin with our first growth lever attracting more shoppers.
As a reminder, on the traffic or consumer side of the marketplace. We have two platforms.
The first our owned and operated first party performance marketing platform.
And second our fast growing third party traffic platform referred to as the verified partner network or VPN through which we provide third parties access to our insurance provider network.
Investments in our traffic platforms continue to grow the volume of high intent insurance shoppers to our marketplace.
In our performance marketing platform, we invested in expanding both offline and digital channels, improving our ability to target high intent insurance shoppers.
In our VPN platform, we launched new products that enable third party websites and media companies to access our extensive insurance provider network and a variety of innovative ways.
Under one recently launched offering we already have 13 verified partners, who are ramping up quickly and we have developed a robust pipeline of additional partners to be added over the balance of the year, increasing our confidence in VPN as a reliable pillar of continued traffic growth moving forward.
Next we had success in growing provider coverage and budget.
We continued to add third party marketplace providers and expand relationships with existing carriers and agents.
One trend worth highlighting is the continued growth and strength of insure tech digital carriers, which have emerged as a significant segment within the marketplace.
With share DNA for using technology and data to improve the insurance shopping experience.
They have been fast to adopt the full range of consumer targeting and deep integration capabilities offered by ever quote.
As a result, they are finding ever quote to be an effective customer acquisition partner with whom to grow their business. We continue to have success growing with this segment and in Q1 digital carriers increase their spending on our platform by over 200% year over year.
The third growth lever is optimizing of deepening consumer provider engagement.
We are implementing a number of initiatives that reduce friction from the shopping experience and improved performance for providers.
One key focus has been on the connection of online shoppers to local third party agents.
We are investing in new products, which enable us to control the online to offline connection on behalf of local agents.
This solves sort of pinpoint felt by both consumers and agents.
For consumers, we can deliver a more unified shopping experience and better control of the outreach to them.
For providers, we can deliver better performance by applying best practices and technology to optimize the process of getting of consumer quoted.
In Q1, 11% of active third party agents were enrolled in our new online to offline connection offering indicating that we have significant room for growth within our existing client base.
Finally, we continued to expand non auto verticals.
In Q1, our non auto verticals continued growing fast with revenues, increasing 41% year over year.
In our home vertical we're seeing greater efficiency as we scale and leverage bundling opportunities leading to a V. M. M percent per home that is comparable to auto insurance our largest vertical.
Within our life and health verticals, we continue to be pleased with the strong performance of cross point, the health insurance agency that we acquired last fall.
After delivering another strong quarter in which they exceeded the operating plan, we unified the leadership of our life and health direct to consumer agency operations with the cross point founders will become integral members of our leadership team.
This change will accelerate our ability to operate at a single pool of agent capacity across multiple verticals that can better respond to surges and consumer demand such as around the open enrollment period in Q4.
This change will also enable us to invest in more highly leveraged shared technology analytics and reporting infrastructure to drive better performance across our now unified health and life direct to consumer agency as it grows.
Looking ahead, we remain excited about the opportunity to expand our non auto verticals and feel confident that over time, we can grow non auto verticals to 50% or more of our revenue.
In summary, we are pleased with our Q1 performance and remain bullish on the road ahead with continued execution to our plan, including targeted investments in our team technology experiences and operational platform. We believe that ever quote is well positioned to become an industry defining company as the two trillion dollars.
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I am energized by our progress by the challenging work ahead and by the privilege to pursue our vision with the amazing team that we've assembled.
Thank you all again for your time now I'll turn the call over to John to provide more details on our financial results.
Thank you Jamie and good afternoon, everyone I'll start by discussing on our financial results for the first quarter and then provide guidance for the second quarter and updated guidance per our full year 2021.
We're pleased to report solid first quarter 2021 results with performance at the high end or above our guidance range for all of our key financial metrics.
Our revenue for the quarter was $103 $8 million, an increase of 28% year over year and building on last year's strong growth in the comparable period.
Revenue on our auto insurance vertical increased to $84 $5 million of.
The growth rate of 25% year over year, reflecting our continued strong performance and a healthy auto insurance market.
Revenue from our other insurance verticals, which includes home and renters life health and commercial insurance increased to $19 3 million a.
Our growth rate of 41% year over year, and representing 19% of revenue.
Though still small in scale our growth rate in the health vertical led the pack, reflecting the integration benefits of our cross point direct to consumer agency acquisition.
Overall, we continued to see strong demand from our insurance providers as we emerge from COVID-19 carrier participation in the marketplace has continued without any notable reduction in advertising spend.
Revenue from agents also continues to grow accounting for at least 35% of total revenue for the past five quarters, reflecting the growing participation of agents in the marketplace.
And consumer acquisition, we focused on attracting increased volumes of high intent consumers, which drove significant monetization expansion.
Revenue per quote request increased 22%, while quote requests grew 4% year over year to $7 7 million.
In Q1, our focus continued to be on delivering in market consumers with the high propensity to shop and purchase insurance.
Our emphasis on the quality of our referrals, which are providers reflected in your premium bids is captured in our strong growth in revenue per quote request.
We delivered first quarter of variable marketing margin or <unk>, which we define as revenue less advertising expense of $31 4 million, an increase of 32% year over year, which was at the high end of the guidance range provided last quarter.
As a percentage of revenue first.
First quarter of <unk> expanded to 30% up from 29% in Q1 of last year.
So we manage for VM in absolute dollars and not as a percentage of revenue we did benefit from favorable revenue per quote request.
The only partially offset by higher traffic costs as the market for insurance related search advertising tightened.
We anticipate the M as a percentage of revenue at similar levels in the next couple of quarters before expanding in Q4 with the influence of open enrollment within our health direct to consumer agency.
Turning to profitability GAAP net loss was $3 8 million.
Loss of 13 per share based on $28 4 million weighted average shares outstanding.
We delivered adjusted EBITDA of $4 $8 million of.
Of four 6% of revenue for the first quarter, which was at the high end of the guidance range provided last quarter on.
Operating expenses were largely as forecasted and reflected the continued investment begun in 2020 and developing our direct to consumer agency and expanding our offerings and our verified partner network.
On the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $46 9 million in cash and cash equivalents, reflecting $3 $5 million of positive operating cash flow during the quarter.
Turning to our outlook for Q2 and the balance of the year, we anticipate an increased revenue growth rate in Q2, and we have reflected this in our Q2 guidance as follows.
We expect revenue to be between 101 in $103 million a year over year increase of 30% at the midpoint.
We expect variable marketing margin to be between 31 and $32 million.
Our year over year increase of 34% at the midpoint.
And we expect adjusted EBITDA to be between five and $6 million a year over year improvement of 38% at the midpoint.
Our first quarter performance reflects that we are executing and tracking well against our full year guidance as.
As a result, we are raising our full year revenue guidance and increasing the low end of our V. M M and adjusted EBITDA guidance as follows.
We expect revenue to be between 434 and $442 million.
A year over year increase of 26% at the midpoint and an increase from our prior guidance of between 430 and $440 million.
We expect variable marketing margin to be between 136 and $140 million a year over year increase of 27% at the midpoint and an increase from our prior guidance of between 135 and $140 million.
And we expect adjusted EBITDA of between 26% and $30 million a year over year increase of 52% at the midpoint and an increase from our previous guidance of between 25 and $30 million.
In summary, we delivered solid first quarter financial results and have commenced 2021 executing well against our plan.
We are focused on our growth levers and our early performance has positioned us well for continued growth in 2021 and.
And with that Jamie and I look forward to answering your questions.
Okay.
At this time I would like to remind everyone of you would like to ask a question. Please press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad again Star then the number one <unk>.
First question is from the line of Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer.
Okay.
Great. Thanks for taking my question in light of.
Nice quarter.
John just one question around the guidance.
Sort of when I look at the back half of the year it looks like guidance decelerates into the mid twenties. Despite easy comps and then it also looks at the EBITDA margins would contract year over year can you just provide a little further color and then Jamie I guess with the success with cross point and some of the direct to consumer.
Or does that increase your appetite for acquisitions.
Sure. So thanks Jed.
Let's see I'll kick that off by with regard to the kind of what's implied in the back half of the year, we do imply kind of the new seasonality that we've talked about in terms of the health vertical and the fact that we'd see growth. There. So we have we have reflected growth of the back end of the year. It is well above our kind of long term 20 <unk>.
Sent or more above and it's still it's still our third open enrollment of our second with the cross point. So we are we're being judicious in how we and how we guide for kind of of our second major open enrollment, but it is still a strong Q4 and and we do reflect higher.
The revenue per quote request as well on the back half of the year. So.
Reflecting the the.
The impact of the direct to consumer within health, primarily in the back half of the year.
And then Jed to address your second question.
The short answer is yes, we're very pleased with the integration of cross point, we spoke in the last call about the performance in Q4 during the open enrollment period, they've continued to perform well above plan in Q1.
And the general sentiment is we've probably accelerated our progress in health and Medicare.
By a good 12 18, maybe 24 months through the acquisition. So as we think about continuing to execute against our strategy.
We have increasing confidence that debt.
The acquisitions, Ken served that function and acceleration of our existing strategy and we remain sort of active in our efforts surveilling the market for the next opportunity.
Sure.
Okay. That's helpful. John just one more just to follow up just on the Vms on margins the expansion year over year on <unk>, what's driving that is that being driven more by the home and life vertical or is that being driven by execution in autos.
Yes, primarily really execution in autos.
It is we've seen the demand in autos continue to remain strong coming into Q1.
We've continued to see providers.
Willing to bid, especially for high performing traffic so some of that.
Some of the dynamic that we saw in the back half of 2020, we've seen continued into 2021.
So even as we even as we head into Q2.
We continue the thing we'll see something similar for Q2 were.
We see increases in quote request volume in Q2, but revenue per quote request is still.
On the larger driver of revenue growth.
And then as we move through the year, we will see.
Requests.
An increased role on the back half of the year, but really what we're seeing for revenue per quote of the classes and it's just good monetization primarily coming from autos.
Thank you.
Okay.
Your next question is from the line of Michael Graham.
The canaccord.
Hey, Thanks, guys I just wanted to kind of go ask another question on the revenue.
Per quote request versus the quote request volume in just.
Wonder if you could share of like it's clear that debt youre doing some great things with your consumer traffic initiatives and bringing in higher intent consumers. Just wondering if you could give us a little more depth as to kind of how you're doing that and then.
Really trying to get a handle on.
John you just touched on this but like is this is this divergence in growth rates something that should persist.
For a long time or is it really just more of a of a.
The temporary situation and then the other somewhat related question I just wanted to get your thoughts on is you've got your new verticals now growing.
Still much more quickly than auto youre, adding.
Strength in newer vertical so can you just comment on how the seasonality of the business is changing you mentioned open enrollment a couple of times, but maybe just talk about how the seasonality of the business is changing sort of this year of next year relative to what we've seen in the past. Thanks.
Yes.
Thanks, Mike.
I'll take the first part of the question around what is driving the elevated levels of revenue per quote request, if you're if you're kind of decompose. The metric there are two things that drive it.
One of the number of connections, we're able to make per consumer.
We refer to that as the coverage and then number two is the value of each of those connections.
And so starting with taking the first one first our coverage is driven by adding more carriers and agents and expanding their coverage in the marketplace.
And what we have seen over the last year is just that.
We've seen a lot of expansion of appetite from particularly from our carriers and specifically that segment of digital carriers that we spoke about who have increased quite a bit over the last year and then within our <unk>.
<unk> landscape. We've also seen a substantial increase in agent demand and capacity and so that has resulted in higher levels of coverage.
With respect to the value per connection.
There's a few things that can help drive that up number one has us sending out higher LTV referrals, so through things like bundling.
The deep integrations that we went through improved provider performance and therefore, they are willing to pay more for those integrated referrals and then the last piece, which gets out of little bit with what John was talking about is better aligning the way that carriers bid for traffic to give them more of the ability to target and price.
More granularly based on the intense level or the expected bind rate of that traffic.
And we are then able to flow that through to go target and acquire more of the high intent traffic and pay the right price for it and less of the low intent traffic and to pay the right price for it.
And Mike I can give a little more color on the guidance and kind of what we're implying.
As we move through the year.
For Q2.
And we think that it's primarily driven by growth is primarily driven through revenue per quote request, but again, we continue to have balance growth there will be growth in.
Volume of quote requests as well and then as you move through the year in Q3 and Q4 you have.
You have.
Comps from Q3 and Q4 in terms of quote requests.
Debt or a little more attainable for us and so you should see a volume of quote requests play a larger role and then getting into Q4, we do referenced kind of what is the new seasonal pattern.
The Q.
Q4 has historically been a weak quarter in P&C.
Actually a very strong quarter for the health vertical with our initiatives in DTC.
Agency around health, we think that plays and the increasing role and so you can see that in the guidance. If you look at how we've guided for the year and for Q2, So really as you roll into Q4, it's both volume as well as we should see benefit from revenue per quote request and Q4 simply because the DTC.
The age.
Agency approach has higher revenue per quote request there are some more monetization through that model.
So youll see.
Some expansion in revenue per quote request in Q4 as well so generally the gains we've seen in revenue per quote request.
All of our sustainable and I think specifically you will see that in Q2.
With the with additional revenue per quote request growth.
Okay. Thanks, so much that's very helpful. I appreciate it guys.
Thanks, Mike.
Your next question.
Is from the line of Ron Josey with JMP Securities.
Great. Thanks for thanks for taking the question I wanted to ask a little bit more about traffic overall in realizing <unk>. It the hardest comps on a year and we've talked a little bit about QR and RV QR, but I wanted to get dive a little bit more into the verified partner network. Jamie you mentioned the strong pipeline of the network.
Can you provide a little bit more details on the process here the.
The breakdown of the contribution of traffic growth, maybe this quarter or perhaps how youre thinking about it going forward just because I think this is a relatively new product overall.
And then maybe the follow up to a prior question.
Jamie on on the acquisition front when you think about the acceleration in the business that happened in in home and life. When you think about other non auto verticals on acquisition does this more DTC D to C. A type of.
<unk> and just different verticals or something else. Thank you.
Great.
So to your first question Ron.
On the verified partner network launched in earnest in 2019 of contributed meaningful growth in 2019 and in 2020 and what we're really describing in the script is continued expansion of the product offerings within that platform. So if you take a step back what is it alright, if maybe the <unk>.
Place to start.
There are a bunch of publishers media companies' websites out there with elevated with the users who have elevated levels of intent for insurance and so on example might be of real estate website people there of browsing shopping for homes.
They may be end market for home insurance.
That company that site may want to offer a full suite of services around buying a home. In addition to just connecting them with the realtor Friday, they want to offer home services and insurance services, and so on and so forth, but theyre not going to go out and build the network of insurance providers that we have.
So they would come to ever quote and we would provide them access to our insurance provider network now.
Now when we talk about different products, it's the really technical product.
Different ways to accomplish that they want and they may want their user to be able to submit the forming of contacted by an agent. They may want their user to be able to click via an API directly into an online workflow from one of the carriers and so we're kind of thinking about what are our unique assets in distribution.
And how can we bring those to bear on package them up in a way that delivers value for these partners and for their users.
So the.
The rollout of new products is just us, creating new ways to make those connections and in the latest suite of products that we have rolled out we're seeing good adoption and we are of very healthy pipeline and so we expect it to continue to contribute materially to traffic volume and revenue growth as we progress through the year does.
Does that answer your question.
It does.
Yes, Thank you great.
And then on the interest.
Yes M&A.
With respect to the second question around M&A and maybe you can just clarify for me was the question around what we are what types of targets, we would be looking for or was it something else.
I'll just.
Sort of yes wondering if <unk> is sort of like the new way forward here and maybe using that as a way to build up your non auto vertical is even more or what else. How else are you thinking about M&A to just further accelerate the business by years, which I think you mentioned on the call for life and health Yeah. So.
I think anything that fits cleanly within our strategy we would consider.
As an accelerator.
Yes.
DTA.
Checks of number of the boxes of our strategy right. It helps us expand our distribution and improve sort of consumer provider alignment in and optimize their engagement and so thats. Why DTA is is one category of target that would be attractive to us in this effort. There are others as you mentioned.
We are we are eager to continue growing our non auto verticals. Our goal is to get non auto up at or above 50% of our revenue by the time, we crossed $1 billion of revenue and so to the extent we find other companies playing in the non auto space, we would consider those they don't necessarily need to be on agency, though.
They could be traffic platforms that could be there could be other businesses, but to the extent they helped drive that tenant of our strategy, we're open to evaluating them.
That's helpful. Thank you Jamie.
Yes.
Your next question is from the line of Ralph Checkered with William Blair.
Good evening, Thanks for taking the question Jimmy during the prepared remarks, you talked about on.
On the carrier side, you have not seen any reduction spend and then give some updated stats on the agent growth, which of things about 35 per cent or so for the last few quarters.
As we sort of look forward is vaccines rollout in the U S focuses on our reopening do you expect the carriers to continue to divert more dollars and digital channels and marketplaces. I think there has been on a broader concern with them very specific verticals that verticals, maybe such as insurance that were forced to move online as the world Reopens perhaps.
Most of those dollars back to offline. So would just love your sort of overall thoughts on that.
Yeah. So I think that there are two forces at play I mean, there are many forces at play, but I'll I'll highlight sort of two big ones one is.
With the onset of COVID-19.
The carriers lost access to a number of acquisition channels that were previously available to them, whether that's the in person agent or whether that's the sponsoring a sporting event or whatever it may be.
Number two is carriers have been quite profitable right and as the result of miles driven having gone down they've experienced high levels of profitability and they've been able to reinvest that in customer acquisition.
I can share our perspective on on where these two things will go moving forward and what we're starting to see.
With respect to them shifting budget into digital channels.
What came along with that with some structural investment in change to get more performance out of those channels. So we saw carriers integrating with us at an accelerated rate, we saw carriers, providing support and training and technology to enable their agents to get more to get more performance out of online.
<unk> and as they are seeing performance in channels like ours, we're seeing no signals of theyre going to divert dollars away back into the other channels, even as they open up and so we feel pretty good that the gains that we've seen are stable and will persist.
With respect to the second effect, which is that the profitability.
What we're seeing so far in Q1 in the data and the carrier data is that combined ratios loss ratios are still favorable.
What we're seeing more quantitatively in terms of the demand from our carriers is that they're still hungry for growth.
And so while as people get vaccinated and things return to whatever the new normal is what will keep a close eye on this but all signs right now point to continued help from the carriers continued appetite for growth and even if we get back to a place where miles driven come up but they're still slightly less miles driven during commuting hours.
That can have an outsized impact on on losses, and so it's unclear that debt.
There's going to be any.
The fast return too.
The lower profitability for the carriers, we see we sort of see it the other way.
That's helpful perspective, maybe one more if I could.
Higher calls you've talked about investments in brand advertising on testing some channels of new channels, such as TV, just love to get some updated thoughts on how these investments are going versus I guess your expectations. Thank you.
Thanks, Rob. So we continued we continue to test, we're finding pockets of performance, particularly.
As it pertains to driving traffic directly into our agencies and so as we.
Progress through the year optimize and see the performance come in line with where we needed to be able we hope to be in a position to scale. Some of these channels and we hope to be able to do so as we head into the open enrollment period in Q4.
Great. That's helpful. Thank you Jamie.
Thank you Ralph.
Okay.
Your next question is from the line of Aaron Kessler with Raymond James.
Great. Thanks, guys, maybe just the.
Following up you talked obviously a lot of last year about the deeper carrier integrations on lot of made a lot of progress.
2020, it's maybe just kind of talk a little bit of all kind of what's left to do in terms of some of the integration work and then I think John you've I think you mentioned kind of the market tightened a little bit can you just maybe double click on that a little bit what your reference referencing was that in.
Increased competition or other factors there. Thank you.
Okay.
Yes, I'll start with the integration piece.
So we've sort of completed the journey to get carriers.
Integrated with the deep Prefill for all of our of direct click advertisers.
As we think about what's next we sort of bifurcate the shopping journey into into two paths you have got the online path. So there is that consumer that wants to get their quotes and or by insurance online and then you've got the offline path, which is the majority of shoppers, who actually ultimately will fall.
All off to the phone.
To ask questions make sure they understand whether their coverage and what they're buying.
So we're looking at we have roadmaps to further integrate and smoothed out the experience down both of those paths with respect to the online path.
We're planning we plan to continue integrating more deeply.
And ultimately want to get to a place where the majority of consumers are landing fully the prefilled <unk> on a quote.
On a path to enable online binding in specific segments in force specific insurance products, where it makes sense to do so.
Down the offline path, where we've invested quite a bit and.
Sure.
Basically taking over the process of getting the consumer connected with the local agent <unk>.
And in doing so it creates for a more sort of unified I'd.
Unified process for the consumer.
And for the provider, we're able to apply some technology, our data and some best practices to improve the performance on the connection rates between them and the consumer. So those are kind of of the two dimensions and we've got a number of efforts on both fronts to continue pushing and smoothing out that process for both consumers and for providers.
Aaron I would say on the higher traffic costs I referenced that we had seen specifically higher costs on search in Q1, we're seeing that as well in display as well and it's always hard to parse whether that is where that's coming from in terms of <unk>.
<unk> of landscape.
More than anything it really reflects.
The strength of the insurance industry, specifically autos at this time as well so.
I think.
As with all of our competition for advertising, we're generally seeing the carriers.
In those first physicians and Thats I think the biggest influence on the market and I think that dovetails well into what we're seeing on the demand side from the carriers as well. So I think it really just reflects a little bit of what Jamie talked about which is we're not seeing a reduction in demand or any pullback in spending from the carriers instead the.
The advertising landscape still seems very healthy for the insurers, especially for auto.
Got it that's helpful. Thanks, guys.
Sure.
Your next question I'm, sorry, if I mispronounced it is <unk> tandon with Needham.
Thank you good evening up Jamie and John Congrats on the quarter.
Thanks for taking the question I wanted to actually Jamie asked you about the.
Is there a weighted maybe size what percentage of the budget you have been able to capture of your six core carriers, where the number can go to over time and then maybe in the sort of software parlance is there of where to think about this in terms of our land and expand within the carrier base you have today and the contribution from new logos overtime.
Yes, Thanks Mac.
The percentage of budget is it is a tough one for for me to answer because.
Many of the carriers don't don't really expressed to us our budget what they expressed to US is effectively on unlimited budget. So long as we're meeting their cost per sale or whatever their performance targets are.
And they're sort of open and willing to spend and in sort of uncapped or unlimited way.
With us.
So long as as we are meeting their performance targets. So I don't have a good sense.
I think in some respects you can probably in our sort of category in the marketplace category.
Might be able to take a look at just.
Overall revenue was very various players in the market and maybe take that as a proxy across many of the big carriers, but that that's just sort of how I would run the thought exercise I don't have any of more informed perspective on that.
Yes.
With respect of landing in the with respect to landing and expanding yes, absolutely.
And what we're finding is.
There are.
When you build a relationship with the carrier we have an enterprise team that is really focused on building kind of deep trust understanding those carriers needs understanding how they are best configured to distribute insurance and then increasingly customizing and building new solutions.
That enable us to deliver more policies to them within their profitability goals and.
So examples of that might be you have someone who is buying click traffic from us into their website right and thats performing and that program is going great, but now they're staffing up their call center and they need a way to drive more volume into the call center, while we would work for that work with them to find solutions to get.
Some of the web traffic that we have in those consumer debt, specifically prefer to connect to an offline channel.
To connect with some of the agents in their call center, and we made facilitate that through other channels through remarketing or SMS or.
Our lead sales, but this is sort of exactly how we think about managing the carrier base as we as we build and grow with them.
That's very helpful. Jimmy perspective, I wanted to ask John a quick follow up John in terms of the EBITDA goals, but could you talk about the key leverage points on the Opex line.
You try to focus on the near term and the also maybe longer term what are some of the levers that you have to get to that I think long term model that you've talked about.
2025% EBITDA, so maybe yes, both short term and long term that'd be helpful. Thank you.
Sure.
So I guess I would start with saying that.
Ross really profitability is really of managed outcome for us because we really can control the level of investment. So our story continues to be one of both growth and increased profitability were the biggest governor on our growth is is creating an additional variable marketing.
Dollars.
And then from there those additional dollars, we're really in a position where we can manage how many of those how much of that debt additional VM flows down to adjusted EBITDA and how much of it flows into operating expense, there's actually a lot more leverage within all of the operating categories within the model just the question of how much of we made.
The investments into new top line in order to make sure that we're not missing out on what is the very very large market opportunity moving online. So it's a bit of of balancing that and.
And so I think when you look at both in the short term and in the long term you would still continue to see us make trade off decisions between how much we're investing for top line things like.
The investments in DTC, a the investments in verified partner network that we've mentioned this year and then how much are we letting flow down to the bottom bottom line. We think it is important.
To continue to deliver on what is our long term.
Promise of adding one to two points of adjusted EBITDA on a yearly basis simply to kind of.
Show the path of profitability and show the path to.
To show that we manage the levers in getting to that mid Twenty's adjusted EBITDA target and so I think you saw that the last couple of years since we've been public and Youre seeing that in as well on the guide as we guide to about a point of additional adjusted EBITDA for the full year this year.
Great. Thank you so much.
Your next question is from the line.
Okay.
Doug Anmuth of Jpmorgan.
Hey, good afternoon. This is Dave the on for Doug Thanks for taking the questions.
The first one mile horizontal quote request growth is there any way to parse out between like all of the models with Walgreens.
That's been growing from a vertical perspective, and then click on the when you talked about on all models to come in with more than 50% of the revenue over time.
Clearly seeing success on.
On the last vertical of wondering what kind of the growth you're contemplating with them.
The other verticals within normal levels to get to the 50% plus levels.
Sure day I'll, just I'll just kick it off we don't parse out the growth between the autos and not all of those in quote request.
But suffice to say, we're seeing growth in both.
And again, I think you'd expect that the.
Yeah.
Most pronounced as we come through the back half of the year within the non autos.
Okay.
And then with respect to.
Sure.
Two two.
The what's driving the growth of non autos the <unk>.
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What verticals specifically.
Just want to make sure. The question, yes, the longer term you talked about that I'll comment on 50% of cloud.
Feels like on the health and life will drive a good portion of our ballpark just wondering what other verticals on when you guys might be comfortable getting into that.
So certainly health and life, we have pretty strong data to suggest they can support very high growth.
For our continued.
For for years out in the future relative to that long term road map and so as we continue to invest over time, we do expect health and life to contribute a meaningful amount of that growth.
We believe home will continue to grow as well.
What we're seeing with home now as it's.
As it picks up some scale and we rollout bundled offerings, we're starting to see margin come up a bit and at the beginning to resemble sort of the growth and profitability profile of that that's more analogous to auto and so we'll see how that whether that persists, but I think we can expect.
Home to continue growing although maybe not at the rates of health and life.
And then we haven't spoken about small business commercial in some time.
But I figure might as well address it we made we launched it in I believe 2019, and 2020 with the onset of COVID-19 didn't feel like a particularly strong climate in which to ramp investment into the small business commercial lines. So we continue to perceive a lot of.
The opportunity in that vertical but but.
But given the progress, we're making in health and life and home.
It continues to sit in a basket of potential investments, we can make we can ramp.
And so that's not that's not accounted for in the roadmap.
To the levels that health life and at home might be.
Got it okay. Thank you.
Your next question is from the line of Ben Rose with Battle Rose.
Hi, That's Battle Road research.
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With regard to other verticals I think you've said in the past that you.
Believe that.
Do you believe the commission fees from other verticals could exceed 50% of revenue.
By the end of the year I'm not sure if I have that right but is that.
Currently youre thinking.
Well.
I might sort of slightly re just characterize that slightly differently. I think it is possible that commission revenues could comprise the majority of them more of that more than 50% of revenue within.
The verticals in which they exist so at the life and health.
I think that as that is possible, especially in Q4, given what we expect to see with open enrollment.
And given the comments that you've made.
Around the.
Home home vertical is it logical to conclude that that would be the next.
Sort of DTC marketplace that you would.
Enter.
We don't we don't.
Think about it.
That way the DTC the DTC agency it solves for a very specific customer need, it's where we don't have sufficient marketplace distribution local agents and carriers to deliver on our customer promise to the consumer the.
The TCA is one of the tools that we can use the plug those coverage gaps and so it was in health and life, where we had less robust distribution that was sort of the.
The obvious place to start in an auto and home.
Our third party marketplace distribution is stronger, but there are still pockets within P&C segments of the market, where we don't have as strong coverage and so we think about it not really at the vertical level, but a bit more granularly like what are the segments within the vertical where we need coverage and then that that's.
Where we would consider layering on the DTC capabilities to solve for the customer promise.
Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks Pam.
I would now like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.
Thank you.
Well. Thank you all again for joining us today.
We're pleased with our Q1 performance, we remain bullish on our outlook for the remainder of 2021 and beyond.
We are in the early innings and the shift of $150 billion of insurance distribution spend online and with that as our backdrop ever quote is laser focused on our vision to become the largest online source of insurance policies by using data and technology to make insurance simpler more affordable and personalized.
The one and increasingly encouraged by our ability to balance consistent operational execution quarter after quarter with methodical investments in new growth platforms, and I'm confident that with our continued execution the strength of our team and our strategy Evercore will become an industry defining company as the two trillion insurance industry moves into.
The digital age so thank you all again and have a great evening.
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