Q1 2021 Twilio Inc Earnings Call

Good day and thank you for standing by welcome to the Twilio Q1, 2021 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation. There will be a question and answer session to ask a question. During the session you will need to press star one.

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If you require any further assistance. Please press star zero I would now like to hand, the conference over to Andrew <unk>, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Sir. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Lee and good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us for Twilio was first quarter 2021 earnings conference call.

In an effort to make our call more efficient we are using a new approach today by posting our prepared remarks on our IR website and using todays call for Q&A only.

In addition to our prepared remarks, our earnings press release, SEC filings and a replay of today's call can be found on our IR website at investors Twilio dotcom.

Joining me today for Q&A are Jeff Lawson, <unk> co founder and CEO, George Hu, CLO and because they must ship Chandler CFO.

As a reminder, some of our commentary today may be in non-GAAP terms reconciliations between our GAAP and non-GAAP results.

And guidance can be found in our earnings press release.

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In particular, our expected business benefits and financial impacts from the segment in value first acquisitions in this diverse partnership including the associated transactions our expectations around the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our business results of operations and financial condition and none of our customers and partners is subject to change and our ability to manage.

As in network service provider fees that we pay in connection with the delivery of communications on a platform and the impact of those fees on our gross margin are subject to change.

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With that I'll hand, it over to Jeff for a brief statement and then we'll open the call for Q&A.

I think as Ali before going into Q&A I wanted to acknowledge that over the past year fighting COVID-19.

Each country and region, that's had good times and bad times, while many places are trending well and we feel like we hope we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The response to COVID-19 is of course not over and the tragedy of this pandemic remains an evolving situation and even on a global level.

So I wanted to take a moment to share my heartfelt sorrow and support from our colleagues friends and families in India, who we know are fighting a tremendous outbreak along with our colleagues friends and family in Brazil, Columbia, Mexico. It's a reminder, that this pandemic is not over.

We will not be over until every country every city every community and the world is through it.

Truly in this pandemic together as a global community.

Told me it was created several programs to help communities in the hardest hit regions, providing additional matching funds to organizations such as AIT, India, COVID-19 relief program get to Asia and direct relief.

It is more important than ever to help every country to combat this pandemic and we hope that these efforts will help provide funds towards that cause and I invite everybody listening today to pitching your support as you can thank you now let's open the call for questions.

Time, if you would like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad against you ask a question simply press star one on your telephone keypad.

Your first question comes from the line of meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for the question and congrats on the quarter, maybe a higher level question I wanted to get a sense of what your customer conversations are like I imagined a year ago. It was helped me get through the next two weeks to maybe six months ago. It was like help me get through COVID-19 to know people.

We are really starting to embrace digital transformation and think longer term, but just you know is that something that we just hypothesize or you're actually seeing in customer conversations and how does the segment change that conversation.

Hi, This is George why don't I start.

We absolutely are continuing to see the conversations around digital transformation digital acceleration.

We've talked to what I've talked to you a lot of customers about is now that they see kind of the end of the pandemic insight they they're not foreseeing that.

Digital is going away from them that they see it a lot of the transitions that have happened to your digital whether it's telemedicine or you know digital.

Ships in financial services are going to continue and so they're looking for us to be strategic partners to help them move to the new world and with technologies like conversations and flex and other other things that we've been working on in terms of segment.

People are very excited about it I've had it come up and probably you know more than two thirds of the calls I've been on with customer is in the last 90 days, we've talked about segment and the opportunity. There I think people are very excited about the idea of delivering much much more personalized engagement and the idea of segment as a foundation.

A component of that is very interesting to a lot of customer. So we're excited about that and the opportunity for us going forward on that front as well.

Yeah.

Oh, great. Thanks.

Thank you and your next question comes from the line of Samad Samana from Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Hi, great. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the strong quarter, maybe the first on the enterprise sales hiring side, you know I thought in the prepared remarks.

That the company has caught up but maybe how should we think about the hiring from here and how that how the productivity ramp looks for those new direct enterprise sales rep hires.

Yeah, we're absolutely on track with our with our sales hiring we continue to invest in capacity to match. The frankly, the incredible opportunity that we see in front of us.

And in terms of the productivity that has continued to be strong and the ramp times are consistent. So we haven't really seen a significant shift as we've added capacity, which is I think this really speaks to.

The demand out there and the size of the opportunity.

Great and then maybe just a follow up on the decision to split the R&D organization that that was discussed Dan and how we should think about that impacting the innovation cycle going forward.

Yes. Thanks for the question. This is Jeff I'll take that one so yeah. We've got a very broad set of products and a very broad customer base all around the world and so we thought the way to best serve the broad set of customers and a broad set of products was to break it out into three units. So all of our Twilio core communications platform, our data platform and our core platform.

And we've got great leaders for for a lot of these things and you can see a lot of synergies between like all of the things we're doing in communications, which is the core business lot of things, we're doing with data and Pinot from segment is going to lead the data team and on our core platform is sort of how we build internally and all the platforms that support the growth of all of our engineering units and so.

By dividing and conquering we think we can actually tackle more.

To continue our track record of innovation and continuing to serve our customers at scale and so I'm really appreciative of Chi and everything that was brought to the company and looking forward to building. The next great set of products with a great set of leaders we have in ones, we're getting higher.

Great and just as an aside we loved the new reporting structure. It allows us to spend more quality time with with the management team at rather than listened to you guys read the script to us I really appreciate that and I. Appreciate the additional time with you all.

Fantastic.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Fred Hey, Meyer from Macquarie. Your line is now open.

Hey, Thank you very much for the time here.

In some of the acquisitions investments that you've recently been making including <unk> value first Q.

Can you help us understand how these acquisitions investments and partnerships could help your overall cost structure, both domestically and internationally and secondly on this topic could you tell us about how these investments could benefit your customers across areas such as pricing and also reliability of services.

Yeah those are good questions.

I'll start so I think from a cost structure perspective, obviously.

Having local presence in markets and being able to do some consolidation within our supply chain is always going to yield some cost synergies and so we definitely have an eye on that in terms of some of the ways that we're looking at it I think beyond that if you look at some of the more recent things like whether it's in Mexico or whether it's in India that also gives us.

Enhanced geographic footprint, so it allows us to better.

Consumer demand in some of those markets as well.

From a pricing perspective, I mean, I wouldn't say, there's a big change in pricing relative to M&A.

Obviously remains competitive pricing landscape, but I think we feel good about the way that we're positioned and I think this allows us to continue to do.

Geographically expand.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Brent <unk> from Piper Sandler Your line is now open.

You and I'll Echo comments of appreciation here on the new format of supervision and Super helpful.

Maybe Jeff I'll start with you were.

Six months now into the Twilio segment kind of combination here my question for you.

What are you most excited about and most pleased with during the first six months of the integration here and then I know, it's early but we're seeing some interesting personalized messages come out some interesting flex segment integrations and then secondly, what are you. Most excited about now that you know what your own here looking out over the next couple of years.

Yeah. Thank you for the question.

First of all the nuts and bolts of integration are hard, but theyre going really well, but didn't really pleased by just a great cultural overlap team is working really well together and our teams that see the opportunity and see the way we approach customers in the markets that we're serving like see those things really well aligned so super happy with Peter of the leadership team at segments in all of the folks who join.

On Twilio with acquisition.

But talking about the opportunity ahead and look I think we are seeing we are seeing this come up in so many conversations with customers that maybe in the past before we had segment as part of our portfolio wouldn't have organically come off but now that segment is here really seeing that become a major part of the conversations we're having with customers because every company has.

I talk to seems to be struggling with like how do I build this one picture of my customer based on data that is spread across all these different not just systems. They have and they have that problem. They have got separate system from marketing in a separate system for the contact center or in a separate system for commerce.

But also across business units like Oh, we made an acquisition here, we've got to integrate their view of the customer and Oh, We've got these different structures inside the company and they all use different systems and so this question of how do you actually build that profile of your customer do you understand your customer the story that is being pulled by all the data that customers are giving off by how they use.

Your website, how they use your mobile app, what things they bought when things have returned et cetera that story is.

Resonating with customers because they all see that problem, but they're not just how do you make sense of that data from the academic and that's where Twilio comes in how do you actually build really engaging communications, whether its marketing or your sales process during the year.

<unk> are in product how do you tailor it make all that stuff dynamically personalized to every single customer to optimize their chances of becoming repeat buyer, becoming a loyal customer of yours and that's something we see so many companies.

Wanting to do is struggling to do and looking to us to help them to do and so when I look forward to what we're going to build the segment I see.

A tremendous surface area across pretty much every industry to help them solve this problem.

Interesting big problem, but certainly a big opportunity Zama, one quick one for you.

P. S T N T mobile joined the price increase party that I think Verizon kicked off last year, how should we kind of think about the framework around what type of growth.

Right that could have an influence here on Q2 it looked like the Guy did not include any sort of impact on that price increase you have two carriers instead of one raising price. So just trying to think through how should we think about that impact in Q2 or should we just kind of wait a quarter in and and wait till we see actually what happens, but just just curious.

Here your thoughts and guidance here on that price increase.

Yeah, I mean, we left it out of the guide on purpose, just so that it wouldn't be that confusing and we wouldn't have to deal with all the kind of puts and takes so you should look at the guide as being clean.

Excluding those impacts.

I would say you shouldn't largely expect them to be kind of in the ballpark as what we saw previously with with Verizon, but we'll provide a lot more detail on that when we do the Q2 call and we'll give you the exact numbers at that time.

Got it makes sense. Thank you yep.

Yep.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Alex Zukin from Wolfe. Your line is now open.

Hey, guys just a quick question.

Instead of asking my typical dollar base net expansion question because they are all I'll do just two very big picture product questions.

Jeff maybe just for you first if we take a step back and zoom out and we looked at the components of your business. You are now getting into a point, where you're able to do potentially.

Intelligent messaging solutions, where you can you can effectively have a customer you know send the message when a certain action takes place part is left abandoned and.

That the value added component of that message from that customer is a lot higher.

Potentially some others. So I guess the question is are you able to now start thinking about different price singer different unit economics, depending on the type of message that you're.

Helping a customer from Webber.

Thanks, Alex.

I think there's like two ways of thinking about that one is our role as a platform and as a platform you support many different use cases, and even within things like messaging.

There's different use cases for for messaging and in fact different messages may have different performance characteristics from <unk>.

Customers might value speed of delivery over over others might value things like bulk deliveries and so there's ways of thinking about how do you segment in the product itself.

From here and then there's ways of saying, okay, but in order to actually do a specific use case you often have software that's powering that use case or integrations, let's use. The example, you had the integration into a shopping cart.

And the business logic of that integration and the business logic of that intelligence is in many ways a different value proposition from the platform itself and so as you see what we're doing with for example, flex that's what we're building we're building that the value proposition of a contact center on top of the perimeter.

And you see that with our marketing campaigns product as well and so I think when you think about our core communications platform you get the sense of the economics are tied to the underlying <unk>.

Abilities of the platform and then when you look at the engagement platform that sits above it.

The economics are more closely tied to the value proposition that we're creating with the software.

But I also think that part of Twilio is a unique value proposition is to build a product and a go to market really closely aligned how our customers use our product with what they pay.

And I think that's a key competitive differentiation, which is a little different than traditional solution selling which is youre trying to extract full value. I think is a platform play you still leave white space for customers to go paint in to make it there and that's what they value they want to build on top of our platform and as a result of that we give them that flexibility and that enables.

To get outcomes that they can't get with any other vendor that also enables developers to continue to be our biggest champions inside of these accounts and I think those are important things for us to continue to consider.

That makes perfect sense and then.

Another kind of Big picture question, if we think about the rise of idea phase.

<unk>.

The margin third party cookies, it's our thesis that we're entering a world where the notion of the CDP for first party data is going to rapidly accelerate and strategic performance.

You guys mentioned I think George you mentioned that segment is now two thirds or wasn't two thirds of your customer conversations I guess a couple of angles.

Ingalls around this question is this something is this future world something you've contemplated when making that acquisition are you.

Now week being an even greater amount of strategic benefit.

Could you just talk to us about how you think about segments from this new world both integrated with the rest of your solutions as part of the platform, but also on a standalone basis with respect to strategic enterprise for all of us.

This is Jeff I'll answer.

From a storage USA.

Go ahead, Jeff I'll chime in.

Alright, well I'll give my point of view I'll, let George give his point of view collab.

Collaboration who can answer is harder in this virtual world.

My point of view, yes, we did think about the importance of first party data and how every company is having to become great digital marketers and great digital executed.

And you can't necessarily rely on some of the let's say.

Sloppier ways.

Acquiring and Reengage with your customers when you've got a lot of third party data floating around out there and so we did believe we do believe that.

That the CDP market itself as a standalone becomes ever more important to companies.

Not just because of the plurality of systems they have to figure out how to make sense of but also because outside their walls is getting more complex to actually target and reach you on customer. So it becomes even more important that once you meet a customer whether it's your marketing or they buy something or whenever it is that you do a really good job of continually engaging them.

Because going back out to try to reacquaint of that customer is getting harder and harder and harder and so companies have to treat their existing customers incredibly well and those relationships are getting even more valuable and then you add in all the value of and then integrating that and creating that journey that is going to achieve that using using twilio is customer engagement.

Cloud that is.

Next level benefit on top of that of course.

Yeah I think.

I think Jeff said, it really really well and.

I would say, we're having certainly a lot of these conversations that I'm talking about are largely customers a lot of customers are.

Learning about our acquisition interested in our strategy and we're having the broad conversation.

But we're definitely seeing interest on both fronts of both from a standalone CDP conversation as well as the potential for for intelligent engagement that is that's built when you have the customer data and all of the engagement channel together, So I think theres potential both standalone and integrated and I think that's one of the things that.

We're excited to continue to build on going forward.

Congrats just amazing execution as always.

Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Derrick Wood from Cowen. Your line is now open.

Hi, Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a great quarter.

We get a lot of questions from investors on how to think about consumption growth trends across various use cases as the economy opens up so it'd be great to hear what youre seeing from the COVID-19 impacted use cases in travel hospitality ridesharing, and then get a sense of with the opening of the economy how that impacts.

Some of the use cases that got capitalized from COVID-19, Joe really just trying to get an understanding of how those net out as we navigate through the opening of the economy and maybe put that in context with how you guys guided for Q2, which assumes flat.

Flat to up $10 million sequential revenue.

Absolutely.

So that so the what I would say, it's like you've got this usage pattern and so you've got two categories like roll the clock back to a year ago you had it.

Category of Digitization of lots of interactions that was really the path that society was on in every industry was on because of digital transformation with the big secular trend and those got accelerated.

And so a lot of the things that we're seeing like.

A lot of the workflows between ordering online and picking up in the store and things like that are getting far more use now than they would have before.

Or telemedicine saw a huge acceleration of adoption of telemedicine.

And those workflows provided consumers and a lot of cases like a much more convenient path from these were things that these organizations, whether it was health care doing telemedicine or retailers doing really good online order pickup type workflows user.

Things that were on their path anyway, just got accelerated.

We are seeing is a retraining of consumers to expect new types of experiences and those are going to continue with the competitive dynamics of keeping those features and making them better and making them easier I think those are going to continue then you've got the category of industries that were negatively impacted by COVID-19. So I think travel hospitality things like that.

And those obviously saw a decline in their usage in 2020 and now I think we're starting to see the early signs of the recovery in many of those industries, we probably all read the headlines.

Talking about people returning to travel as Theyre getting vaccinated and how hard it is to get a rental car and and how airplanes on a full and so as we see the return of those industries I think that we will continue to see both the return of volume and usage, but also of new use cases, because many of those industries have to now go build trust with their.

And say Hey, you know it face to do these things again, he trusts us the brands Youre going to return to as you start doing things like traveling or eating out or whatever it is and so we're seeing not just the return of the old use cases, but I think also new engagement strategies that these companies have in order to build trust and loyalty in their customer.

Basins that many ways you have to kind of re re engage with and reacquire.

Okay.

We have a throw it took the zama on on the revenue guidance.

Scott and some question John just if you look at the sequential.

Flat to slightly up historically, its <unk> seen some good sequential seasonality in Q2.

I know you may have conservatism in there, but any any other puts and takes to call out for Q2.

Yes, I mean, let me just add to what Jeff said, and then and then I'll direct to take your questions. So I would say in general what our guidance contemplates as sort of a world without COVID-19 in a way I mean, notwithstanding what Jeff said at the outset of the call I mean, obviously, there's a lot going on globally and I, certainly don't want to take anything away from that and the impact that's having.

On people, but generally speaking the way that we're looking at things is as if.

Tobey It is starting to wane and we see durability and some of the positively impacted industries, we see recovery in some of the negatively impacted industries and so in general I think as we start to think about a world post COVID-19 would you see a lot of general strength in the business very kind of broadly diversified across industries and geos.

And company shapes and sizes as it relates to Q2, specifically I mean, we feel good about the guide I mean, obviously, we're still up in the quarter based on the guide 47% to 50%.

The World is a very very complicated place right now there's a lot of moving pieces and so I think we'll wait and see how things exactly play out, but we feel good about the way that we guided the way that things are positioned and we feel great about the long term prospects of the business and certainly in the short and medium term.

Right, yes, 50% growth.

Pretty amazing so congrats again and thanks for that.

Thanks Sarah.

Thank you moving on your next question comes from Ryan Macwilliams.

Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Thanks, taking the questions I'll take zukin normal seller base and expansion question, but knowing that this metric can fluctuate.

Especially what the semgroup compare year over year, but anything to comment on here with this moving lower in the quarter and maybe any read through to the following quarters ago.

Yes, you certainly hit one of the nails on the head I mean, I would say in general like at 133% like DB is still really really strong.

So whether you look at it on a year over year basis or do you look at it on a sequential basis, maybe I'll start with the latter so on a sequential basis. You. Obviously don't have like the political dynamic right in a non election year and so that's going to drift it down a little bit and then we've also lapped Verizon carrier fees and so one year away from that that's going to have a little bit of an impact as well.

And then really the third dynamic is what you said a moment ago and in terms of San grids. So I would say I'm kind of a normalized basis. You know you might think about 130, <unk>, but I mean, we feel great about the printed number 133% and we're really really happy with the way that our expansion rates been going.

Thanks.

Just from my perspective, it was great to see out two will help support global effects in distribution.

But from a revenue.

So net perspective.

It's been wondering.

Vaccine distribution delivery materially impact results at all in the quarter.

I wouldn't say it impacted our financials materially.

Said, a moment ago like I think we're really looking at the world. Both in terms of our Q1 friend as well as the way that we guide into Q2 based on a world in which COVID-19 is sort of a thing that is starting to wane, a little bit and we just see broad base strength across the business and anyone use cases relatively de minimis.

This is Tom.

Thanks.

Thank you we have a follow up question or your <unk>.

Next question comes from Michael <unk> from Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open.

Hey, there thanks, everyone I appreciate you taking the questions George.

Hackathons you mentioned in the materials stood out is interesting I'm wondering if you could talk more about what events like that could maybe open up and how that can help with the push into targeted verticals, specifically health care seems interesting there, but and if any anything you can add around context is helpful.

Yes, thanks for the question.

Had a hackathon program now that we've used successfully in the enterprise area directly with customers and now we're starting to do that with our partners. Obviously when Youre building momentum with a large systems integrator a lot of the a lot of what you need to do is first of all get people internally just aware.

These are not simple entities are complex entities, they have lots of groups and just kind of evangelizing internally.

The power of Twilio with Twilio message is really important so bringing bringing these hackathons. We find is generally speaking a really good way to extend our reach especially among the developers and the thought leaders within an organization, whether it's a customer or an essay I'd like to Lloyd's. So we're excited about that.

But also the.

A lot of the times. These these hackathons also youll really interesting IP or the beginnings of interesting IP and that's what the customer side or on our partner side and with an entity like Deloitte the opportunity to create vertical IP I think is very very interesting, especially around.

Especially around flex, which is a big focal point for a lot of R. S.

Si discussion so.

It remains to be seen obviously, how all these things play out there is there is usually a pretty significant path between a hackathon and obviously real IP, but we're excited about the opportunity, whether it's with Deloitte or with others to go down this path repeat that continued with annualized get the flywheel going and continues to do more work with them I mean, we're really refer to them about the potential of this partnership we are seeing.

Some subtraction already and this is just another kind of another brick on the path too.

On the pathway to building a really successful long term enterprise playbook.

Yeah. It makes it makes a lot of sense just quick for Zama can we go back to value first for just a moment I'd just be curious if there's more you can add on what that adds internationally I know that's been one of a few focus areas and then anything you can add on any contribution I don't know what the timing specifically looks like but any contribution.

Saw or would expect to see is helpful.

Yes, just to take the latter part of the question first very de Minimis contribution in the current quarter and it'll be relatively de minimus contribution going forward as well. So we're not necessarily calling it out I mean, I would say value first kind of fits into.

One of the questions that was asked earlier in terms of just broader trends that we're seeing in supply chain I mean, when we see a unique assets that we think on the one hand gives us a particularly interesting entry into a geo and it is not limited to India, obviously, although India, obviously, a huge consumer markets.

I'd throw Mexico into the same category, which is why we did the deal there too.

But.

India, Mexico large consumer markets opportunity for some cost capabilities and then with these acquisitions.

<unk>, we always get awesome awesome local teams and so it's really just a combination of those things, but from a financial perspective I think this is like an add to the portfolio, but nothing that you should really think about it in terms of having an outsized impact on our financials at all.

Helpful keep up the pace. Thanks, thanks, everyone.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Our next question is from Mark Murphy from Jpmorgan. Your line is open.

Oh, Hey, this is pendulum on behalf of Mark Congrats on the quarter guys.

Just a high level question again for you.

From a product strategy point of view, how do you think about kind of accelerating the usage of truly core communications by developers just.

The usage of that do you.

Like server less of functions as an important strategy to drive speed to market for developers or maybe.

Maybe the studios.

To go to democratize the usage beyond developers or now that you have segment, maybe you can actually tap into a broader look good.

Customer engagement solution.

To hear your thoughts around that.

Absolutely. So so first of all I'd say, we're really pleased with the adoption of Twilio and all of our products by developers and think Thats going very well.

<unk> continued to pull us into the wide variety of opportunities in every kind of company that you see is posting up as new customers.

As far as the smoothing out I don't necessarily draw a straight line between like low code No code and like getting more developers you more accounts from the platform I think low code no code or tools and when the problem you have fits well into <unk>.

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Hey, guys. It seems like this is George seems like there might be a problem with Jeff's line. So obviously I can't completely anticipate train of thought there.

Certainly there was.

Can you hear me now you're back perfect. Thanks.

Yes, It really says my phone connected to my car and that is exactly what happened because someone just talked about pick up my kids are concerned on the car. Some fantastic. Good day know that Thats a way earnings calls can fail.

So back to what I was saying I don't know where I lost you, but essentially low code no code as a tool that if that tool allows you to build your use case faster.

More reliably because it's hosted for you and you have to provision on infrastructure, then developers love to use it as do absorption from citizen developers.

But it's the right deal flow right job and we've seen a lot of uptake of studio for certain types of workflows and other things that are more client side and more deeply embedded may not be the right tool, but we are definitely committed to this roadmap of using low code no code in what I call Youll code each for the right things that enables the developers and the various participants the company too.

Do the net.

They need to do and that includes taking things like flex, which really accelerate our customers' time to deploy these solutions, but then still give them. The flexibility to go invoke functions are used studio to build that IV or build that chatbot flow and plug it into just the right spot and so I would say I think we are using low code no code.

<unk> today, and we've got an active roadmap for how we continue to unlock more and more use cases, and more and more customers to be using that but we're very happy with the adoption that developers are already doing on twilio.

Across those solutions, including a lot of them, who arent using no code because.

Alright, and Codell the old way.

Understood. Thank you.

Great and that will do it for today's call. So really appreciate everybody joining today and look forward to catching up with you throughout the rest of the quarter.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation you may now disconnect.

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