Q2 2021 Post Holdings Inc Earnings Call
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Welcome to post holdings second quarter, 2021 earnings conference call and webcast hosting the call today from post are Rob Mcnally, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jeff The Statics.
Chief Financial Officer.
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It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Jennifer Meyer Investor Relations of post holdings for instructions you may begin.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for post second quarter fiscal 2021 earnings call with me today are Rob Vitale, our president and CEO and Jeff <unk>, Our CFO, Rob and Jeff will begin with prepared remarks, and afterwards, we'll have a free question and answer session.
The press release that supports these remarks is posted on our website in both the Investor relations and the SEC filings sections at post holdings Dotcom.
Edition releases available on the SEC's website before we continue I would like to remind you that this call will contain forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that should be carefully considered by investors as actual results could differ materially from these statements.
These forward looking statements are current as of the day to this call and management undertakes no obligation to update these statements as.
As a reminder, this call is being recorded and an audio replay will be available on our website and finally this call will discuss certain non-GAAP measures for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure see our press release issued yesterday and posted on our website with that I will turn the call over to Rob.
Good morning.
Thanks, Jennifer and thank you all for joining us.
We had a quite solid quarter, despite some meaningful headwinds in the form of inflation and a fairly significant weather event.
This morning, I will briefly cover the quarter.
I'll give you an update on strategic activities and then comment on our second half outlook.
This quarter the cereal category in the U S remained elevated from 2019 levels post branded products performed quite well, but we saw some softness in our value products. Our aggregate share remained 19, 5%.
As you've heard from many reports we choose saw cost inflation escalator faster than expected, we expect inflation to remain a lingering issue for the foreseeable future.
We expect to maintain profit and margin levels through a combination of revenue management and ongoing cost reduction.
In addition to cost pressure the deep freeze in the south caused some supply disruptions in our Georgia distribution center, and our Arkansas plant, but all in all a really solid quarter.
Our innovation around protein and snacking has performed ahead of plan and we expect to accelerate distribution of each product.
We have talked about more fundamental innovation and hopefully these initial results will prove sustainable.
Moreover.
I am quite pleased in the manner of Peter Pan is integrated into post consumer brands, our legacy PCB team and our new colleagues from Peter Pan have done a great job just bodes quite well for future tuck in acquisitions, we have invested heavily and process improvement. These last two years aimed at driving high ROIC see acquisitions for.
This platform and we are active in reviewing such opportunities.
I cannot say enough about the resiliency showing by our foodservice team. This quarter, we continue to track towards recovery in tandem with National mobility trends. We are currently tracking approximately 80% to 2019 on a volume basis.
To return to pre pandemic volume requires that trend to continue in Q S ours, and full service restaurants, plus we need three channels to heal.
<unk> is the largest and we expect full recovery by January if not September.
The other two are office and hospital cafeterias and business travel, we fully expect hospital cafeterias to reopen the degree to which offices fully reopen and travel fully recovers remains uncertain, but we expect it to continue to grow from our current baseline.
In general these channels are more profitable than average.
Inflation is a short term inhibitor on margins for this segment as its pricing model pass those costs through on a 90 day lag basis.
Therefore in periods of escalating costs, we will see some margin pressure and the opposite is also true corn and soy meal had been dramatically inflationary in the second quarter and thus far in the third quarter, we expect that to moderate as the market turns to next year's crop during our fourth fiscal quarter.
The decision to not aggressively attack infrastructure costs. During COVID-19 has proven to be exactly the right course, we're currently challenge to meet incremental demand because of the severe labor shortage in key manufacturing locations. We expect the shortage to last at least through September and.
It is incorporated into our guidance.
I am optimistic we will see continued recovery into fiscal 'twenty 'twenty 'twenty two.
<unk> pre pandemic profitability run rate sometime during the year.
Our core refrigerated platform, the Bob Evans side dish business turned in a good quarter.
Volumes for Bob Evans branded side dish remained strong and notably we have seen simply potatoes branded products returned to growth.
Favorable mix continues to drive gains in profitability.
Despite these strong results bottom line performance this quarter was significantly pressured by input cost inflation, particularly in the south.
This too is mostly a timing phenomenon as we use trade management to normalized margins, but with a lag effect, both in increasing and decreasing cost environments. This will remain a headwind through at least Q3.
Weetabix continues to be a steady performer, although the category softened during the most recent lockdown. It remains ahead of the pre pandemic period and Weetabix continues to gain share our new innovation leans into indulgence and is now on shelf with advertising beginning soon to support these launches.
Our only disappointment is that we have not yet found the right acquisition for this team as we believe them capable of managing a larger business.
You will have seen that bell rang raised its guidance for the year, we were quite pleased with the Q2 results and the outlook ahead, despite the continuing ramp and input cost inflation.
Finally, eighth Avenue announced the acquisition of Franzone are quite attractive add onto its pasta business. It expects to pay $95 million for the business and should earn over $15 million and adjusted EBITDA once fully synergize.
With respect to capital allocation priorities during the quarter, we remain aggressive buyers of post shares.
We also completed the two previously announced acquisitions of Peter Pan at all Mark.
In general I would share that the M&A pipeline is considerably expanded the.
The pent up demand from the low activity in 2020, and the potential for increases in tax rates seem to be pulling sellers off the sidelines, we're looking at opportunities across our business segments.
As you know post filed to raise this back in February we expected to launch early in April around the same time, the SEC raised concerns regarding the spec market's historical practice of accounting for warrants.
We are indifferent to the accounting treatment. So long as the treatment is accurate in order to ensure accuracy. We are taking some time to allow the issue to gain clarity. Once we are comfortable with the treatment. We will proceed with the issuance. We continue to believe this is a great corporate finance tool for post and we look forward to using it to grow our business.
Yesterday evening.
We issued our second half adjusted EBITDA guidance of $590 million to $620 million with a modest favorability towards the fourth quarter incur.
Incorporated into this guidance is a much higher cost inflation assumption than contemplated at the beginning of the year.
Despite this cost elevation, we continue to expect to deliver on our initial commitment to exit the year with strong momentum and we expect that momentum to continue into fiscal 'twenty. Two this is chiefly from recovery of both volume and margin in foodservice as well as continued strong performance from the balance of the portfolio.
With that I will turn the call over to Jeff.
Thanks, Rob and good morning, everyone.
Second quarter marks the start of lapping the COVID-19 impacted periods in fiscal 2020.
Our retail businesses are lapping strong volume lifts in March of last year at the same time, our foodservice business is lapping more significant declines in demand for its products.
Consolidated net sales were $1 5 billion and adjusted EBITDA was $263 8 million for the second quarter net.
Net sales declined <unk>, 7% compared to prior year and included a 310 basis point benefit from our recent acquisitions from Peter Pan Hallmark and Huntington.
Turning to our segments and starting with post consumer brands net sales and volumes declined five 5% and 11, 6% respectively.
Peter Pan contributed approximately 340 basis points to the net sales growth rate and 400 basis points of the volume growth rate.
The declines in cereal in the cereal business, primarily resulted from lapping COVID-19 related pantry loading in the prior year.
Volumes were also pressured by the intentional decision to exit certain low margin business.
And broader category softness and value in private label cereal products.
A bright spot in the quarter was the year over year sales growth for each of pebbles grape nuts honeycomb.
The challenging comps.
Average net pricing improved seven 8% driven by favorable product mix and lapping significantly higher sales of promoter product in the prior year.
Recall, we had promotional programs planned and in place in March 2020 prior to the initial pantry loading phase of the pandemic.
Adjusted EBITDA increased <unk>, 8% compared to the prior year and was pressured by cereal volume declines freight inflation and higher labor manufacturing costs, driven by COVID-19 related expenses.
Weetabix net sales were flat compared to prior year average net pricing improved one 6% and was offset by an eight 5% volume decline.
Volumes were negatively impacted by lapping COVID-19 related pantry loading in the prior year a pull forward of sales to the first quarter of 2021 ahead of the completion of Brexit.
And continued declines in bar and drink products, resulting from reduced on video consumption.
Weetabix segment adjusted EBITDA decreased three 1%.
A stronger British pound to U S. Dollar exchange rate resulted in an approximate 710 basis point tailwind to the net sales and adjusted EBITDA growth rates.
Our foodservice business continued to be impacted by COVID-19 with net sales and volume declining two 4% and 11, 1% or 11, 1% respectively.
Combined our acquisitions of Huntington and all Mark provided a 750 and 330 basis point benefit to net sales and volume growth rates respectively.
The overall foodservice declines continued to reflect lower away from home demand.
Although we saw a year over year and sequential volume growth in the month of March volumes remain below pre pandemic levels.
Adjusted EBITDA declined 25% to $41 $2 million.
As discussed last quarter, we saw headwinds from the timing of commodity input cost versus the timing of repricing grain paste sales contracts.
Results were also pressured by loss profit on reduced volumes and unfavorable mix.
Higher freight costs and elevated manufacturing costs, driven by COVID-19 related expenses and weak fixed cost absorption.
Contribution margin in fixed cost absorption both improved in March but like volumes remained below pre pandemic levels.
Refrigerated retail net sales increased <unk>, 8% benefiting from favorable mix and improved average net selling prices inside dish products.
Volume decreased one 7%, resulting from the decision to exit certain low margin business and lapping COVID-19 related pantry loading in the prior year.
Despite the difficult comparisons volume for Bob Evans branded sides were nearly flat to prior year.
Adjusted EBITDA decreased 11, 6% to $42 $5 million and was negatively impacted by much higher sell in AG input costs and higher side dish manufacturing costs.
Bell ring net sales increased nine 6% and adjusted EBITDA decreased two 8%.
Premier protein sales increased 8% driven by distribution gains planned incremental promotional activity and favorable product and customer mix.
Dematteis net sales increased 28, 8% driven by distribution gains and favorable mix.
The decline in adjusted EBITDA resulted from expected higher input costs and freight costs and informational incremental promotional activity.
You can hear further detail about bell rings results on their conference call later this morning.
Turning to cash flow, we had a strong first half generating $162 million from operations, including $74 million from Bell ring.
Our net leverage at the end of the second quarter as measured by our credit facility was approximately six two times.
Keep in mind this ratio excludes the value of our stake in Bell ring.
Regarding capital markets activities during the quarter, we purchased $1 $6 million of our shares at an average price of $98 27 per share.
On a year to date basis, we purchased three 3 million shares at an average price of $95 76 per share.
Our remaining share repurchase authorization is $333 $6 million.
During the quarter, we issued $1 $8 million in principal value of four 5% senior notes due in September 2031.
The proceeds were largely used to redeem our 5% senior notes due August 2026.
With these transactions our bond maturity ladder has been extended to 2031 and our first maturities are not until 2027.
With that I'll turn the call back over to the operator for questions.
Operator.
Yes.
At this time, if you would like to ask a question. Please press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Once again, that's star then the number one.
We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of Andrew Lazar of Barclays.
Good morning, everybody.
Good morning.
Hi.
Thanks for the question I guess first off certainly foodservice results were certainly quite a bit better than we had modeled.
And perhaps others as well.
Talking about volumes, obviously are still still down year over year.
I guess from a sales perspective, I think sales were down about 5% versus you know on a two year basis versus <unk> of <unk> 19.
I don't know if thats, a clean way of looking at it but is that a run rate maybe that you see continuing through the back half or where there may be some one off benefits that make the second half comparisons are little bit tougher again versus 2019.
Yeah.
No we would expect to see a continued recovery through the second half as volumes accelerate but I think it's important to recall that with the price model that we have as we get this price through the same volume as simply generating.
Higher sales dollars.
Potentially the same profit level and 19.
Because of the impact of the inflation, so I wouldn't I wouldn't focus too much on the sales dollars given the compounding effect of the inflationary pass through during those two year stack.
Yep got it and then.
Thanks for that clarity and then.
Mentioning a bunch of companies that have reported recently have kind of I'll say, the similar dynamics sort of a duality of.
At home sort of trends eating trends have remained elevated in terms of consumption.
And then the rebound maybe in a bunch of foodservice channels has been maybe somewhat more robust or faster than they would have anticipated. So there's been this sort of benefit from sort of both of these things at the same time.
I am curious you are kind of a unique position to see some of that being that you straddle straddle. The fence on that are you seeing a similar dynamic.
And I guess, it's just tough question, but how do you see that sort of playing out from here because it would seem like.
Maybe those two things Ken necessarily coexist in that way.
Would that kind of strength longer term.
Well, let me take that in reverse order because I think your premise is correct I don't think those two things can coexist unless we just see a very significant increase in total.
Calorie consumption it ultimately as a matter of geography, unless there's some meaningful change in consumption, which seems unlikely.
I think I think the challenge right now is we are literally on the point of most challenging.
Comparability because of the last two weeks of March 2020 in the first two weeks of.
April 2020, and I think the noise at the maximum decibel level right now so I think in order to really see a little bit of settling we just need a little bit of time, but.
My my opinion, and it's an opinion not a not something at historical data is that we will see a shift away from home to a more pre pandemic pattern. It won't be an immediate shift, but I think it will be a trend towards a mean reversion over time.
And it's fair to say that obviously post with personal lot more by the weakness in foodservice than it was helped by the benefit to at home meeting in terms of the severity and therefore, maybe the opposite.
It could well be true as you kind of move through this well.
That's embedded in all of our assumptions is that.
We should grow from here on because we are lapping the significant weakness in our away from home business and we expect that to be a more than offsetting whatever weakness may come out of our retail channel business.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Bill Chappell of <unk> Securities.
Thanks, Good morning Bill.
Hey, Rob just looking at in particular at the cereal category in your business I'm, just trying to understand kind of.
How you see in a in a normalized world you know that that growth in the past.
Done outperformed peers in part because of your focus on maybe indulgent kids.
On on kind of value bags, but it seems like if you walk through the aisle Everything's indulgent now.
From all the players and.
The it seems like consumers are also traded up a little bit more and are in a good economy. So the value side, it's probably not as good. So I guess part one like do you see the ability to outpace the peers in the long term.
Or is it a different game and then part two do you need to reshuffle or do something to you know.
Do you see do you see the category kind of going back to normal too I mean in terms of do you see the growth going back to <unk>.
Pre pandemic levels or do you think that the categories permanently elevated in terms of consumer trial.
Yeah.
Yes, I'm going to repeat a little bit about what I said about us sitting precisely at the moment of.
The highest noise and comparability. So again this is prediction rather than analysis.
But I would anticipate that.
When that the noise decline. So we will see a category that is slightly elevated from from pre pandemic levels and continues at elevation for a protracted period of time now within that category I think like any big category.
Requires a constant process of renovation in order to stay competitive and we are doing the same thing that we've always done whether it's indulgence, whether it's value, whether it's protein or whether it's extending our brands in other categories. We need to do all of those things to maintain our competitive position and hopefully expand that competitive position vis vis the other players in the <unk>.
So I think the answer to the first part of your question is we certainly can't rest on our laurels and say what we did pre pandemic is a playbook that will permanently work we have to recognize that the category changes and so must we.
So just just as a follow up I mean would you would you could see that the cereal category at least in the U S has turned into basically an indulgent category were like three for somebody to have chocolate or candy or something in there and so I'm just trying to understand how do you. How do you compete there are in kind of a me too environment well Theres No question. If you go.
Back to 2019, when we were very early in the.
Licensing of some more indulgent flavors, we led with Oreo and then extend it into some other.
Similar brands.
That has led to a <unk>.
Proliferation of thought saturation of that segment. So I think when that happens it opens up other segments in which to try to identify opportunity and so it's an ongoing process of identifying and executing against the opportunity, but I would not I would certainly not dispute your thesis that the pre sweetened segment of the category has become.
Our competitive than it was two years ago or three years ago.
Got it okay I'll turn it over thanks, so much.
Yeah.
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Growe of Stifel.
Hi, good morning.
Okay.
Hi, just had a question if I could first one in relation to the Foodservice Division you mentioned, Rob you're back to like 80% of pre pandemic levels. I think that was a volume comment would that would be true for kind of where you are now or is that where you were in the quarter and it's getting better some of it goes to one question and then I was also curious if given your comments on mix and input costs.
If you could give the same kind of gauge on profitability. So as we think about volume recovery and that's great, but there's elements of that business still to recover like travel and lodging education is profitability say, it's 70% of pre pandemic levels and obviously can do that math for the quarter, but I'm trying to get a sense of how those two will sort of you know kind of progressed.
Progress going forward.
So let me start with your first question the 80% number as an exit rate not a quarter right. So if you if you go back and look at our.
Each of January February March it was a meaningful slow during the quarter.
Okay that is definitely not an exit rate in terms of profitability.
There's a variety of inputs during the quarter, some of which will persist into the third quarter that are impacting margins. Among them are the categories that I mentioned tend to be higher margin categories predominantly because of the products that we sell there being higher value added products like pre codex so.
The the rate at which those categories recover will drive margin recovery further second the nature of our pass through model will always result in some incremental pressure and rising.
Cost environments, and less pressure and declining cost environment. So some of that second is timing and then third is.
But we have a very different labor situation than we've historically had.
Our starting to weave in some co Packers, where we have labor limitations that are just too severe to manage through so we're managing our labor model and a bit of a different manner, which we expect to be a temporary situation, but one that is having a <unk>.
Impact on short term margin structure.
Okay.
Thank you for that color and then just one other question would be that as I think about inventory.
Inventory positions for your business and it really is probably goes for both retail and foodservice or are you are you in a situation where you can and therefore are building inventories at retail today to get back maybe to.
Prepaid debit levels or at levels that are appropriate for the business today.
I think inventory at retail is coming down a bit I think inventory.
A bit ahead of itself at retail in the first quarter and is starting to see some sell.
Sell through to bring it back down to.
Probably taking a week or so out at foodservice of course, the opposite is occurring and we're seeing inventory builds across our distributor network.
Okay. Thank you for your time.
Q.
Yeah.
Your next question comes from the line of Rob Dickerson of Jefferies.
Great. Thanks, so much.
Hey.
How's it going.
So I guess just to kind of a question more near term relative to the long term I mean, it sounds like for all the questions being asked in prepared remarks that you.
Kind of the summary is there's some near term cost headwinds in certain pockets of the business right.
Therefore that pass through dynamic could maybe pressure Q3, EBITDA relative to what.
So it should be on a more normalized rate.
And then as foodservice comes back, especially given those higher value.
Mix drivers that.
If we're looking forward into 'twenty two we assume.
That you know the harvest plays out Okay. As you mentioned that we shouldn't be thinking that there's really no margin pressure on this business kind of.
On a fundamental basis, it just really more net recovery of the mix.
Pass through nature of commodity costs with labor that I, just want to sum it up because it's ICC summed it up.
Quite accurately with one amendment.
You said limited number of baskets, I would say that that inflation phenomenon.
Widespread touching each aspect of the at least domestic business, but certainly I think that the core theme is that we appear to be at an inflation inflection point.
And that in an inflection point like the one we seem to be and there will be some timing pressure on costs because of the timing relationship between pricing actions and cost actions, but in no way do we expect that to be a a permanent structural change in the margin of the <unk>.
Have any of our businesses.
Okay fair enough.
And then just a clarification.
I heard you say upfront.
I think I missed it there was one business you saw a.
It could be a larger business right. The management team has good continue to look for.
Acquisitions can you just clarify that and would you say that that area would be an obvious area of focus for kind of go forward acquisitions.
The comment was related to Weetabix, where are the men I was suggesting that the only disappointment than we've had in that segment is that we haven't found the right additional business for them to manage.
The form of an acquisition, we're looking at a pretty robust M&A pipeline across the segments right. Now so I didn't mean to imply that that one was more or less probable to convert than any other I was just suggesting that.
We've been looking for a longer period of time, there without a deal and we would like to find something.
Alright fair enough I'll pass it on thank you.
Thank you.
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Your next question comes from the line of David Palmer of Evercore ISI.
Thanks, Good morning.
I'm curious as you're looking forward to the back half of the fiscal year.
Which hopefully coincides with the final stages from the reopen and perhaps the transition to higher inflation.
What are the biggest variables you're watching across your business you know.
The things that you can't control, but are important I would imagine foodservice traffic is on the list, but curious to hear what else and then perhaps separately in terms of your own controllable or execution areas. What are the things that you're most focused on there in terms of setting yourself up for the next fiscal year. Thanks.
I think the first part of your question said uncontrollable. So I, if I got that right, yes, correct, yes, okay.
Various.
You articulated the.
The biggest one which is the ongoing pace of reopening at any.
Any curve balls, there could be thrown into.
What we at least are expecting to be a fairly straight line from here.
Secondly, we all have assumptions around what retail looks like but.
This is a situation, which if you consider experience about pattern recognition, we don't have experience to know what happens post pandemic.
Recovery like this so we are making assumptions around retail buying patterns that could have some variability in them. So obviously, that's probably not very helpful. The big issues are what people buy a foodservice in what people buy in retail.
Within our controllable I would say the biggest issue that we have outside of the normal exercise around making sure demand generation is where it needs to be.
Supply chain execution, because our supply chains and I think this is more than just a post comment I think it extends.
Broadly across domestic manufacturing are being pressured not just by cost inflation and labor.
Cost increases, but by simply lacking workers to fill plants. So that remains a challenge that we are going to have to navigate through this long hot summer and is getting a lot of attention right now.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yes.
Your next question comes from the line of Ken Zaslow of Bank of Montreal.
Good morning, everyone.
Yes.
Just a couple of questions one is.
Assuming that the.
The commodity stay inflated for a little bit longer can you talk about.
The pace to which you'll be able to take pricing in each of your businesses and even in the.
Our consumer business, where is your pricing power, what's your revenue management opportunities. There is it list pricing what other levers do you have I guess I'd take a little different perspective that I think commodity stay a little bit higher for a little bit longer just kind of figure out how you absorb this.
Yeah, I'm not going to go too deeply into pricing tactics or a thought processes.
But what I would share with you is that the.
That the level of pricing is less important than the shape of the curve. So if we if we stabilize at elevated levels that dictates different behaviors that if the curve is consistently moving upward to the right.
And broadly speaking.
What we are talking about are things like mixed management ongoing cost reduction all of the typical playbooks that I think you would be familiar with but I don't want to get into the specifics of pricing decisions right here.
Okay.
The second question is on labor.
Which.
Gross to me you're doing and.
Where you see the biggest labor constraints and do you think once the stimulus check ones out you will start to see a easing of that and production levels can get back to more normal levels.
Do you think that just bringing labor, it's just going to be an ongoing challenge and you're just going to have to navigate with that and if so are you thinking about automation.
We do think that come.
Come September with the exploration of some of the <unk>.
<unk> unemployment benefits that we will see some easing of the situation and that's why I characterize it as a issue to survive the summer.
<unk>.
Going into the pandemic, we had some pressure, but not the pressure we see today on flavor and clearly the answer to.
A more systemic less transitory issue is ongoing productivity objectives that involve automation.
But yes most of this we see as transitory.
Balance, we see as opportunities to look at productivity in the plants.
And which divisions do you find to be the least affected by labor and which one's the most and I'll leave it there and I appreciate it.
It's fairly widespread I would say, it's more geographic where we where we have manufacturing plants through the upper Midwest and south.
Which is foodservice.
Refrigerated retail and consumer brands.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Jason English of Goldman Sachs.
Hey, good morning folks.
Thanks for Slotting me in.
A couple of questions.
So first.
Despite the volumetric erosion in your U S cereal business profitability held up quite firm. This quarter can you explain what the opposite where because that volume weakness to help help shore up profitability.
Thinking forward I totally get the narrative on sequential.
Sequential margin improvement in foodservice on leverage and price catch up once you get through the third quarter, but it also looks like we're probably going to have some cost pressure in them in the U S. Cereal business should we expect that margin improvement in food service to be accompanied by margin degradation. There. Thank you.
The answer to your first question is mostly mix, where we've seen strength is in our.
Legacy post branded business from where we've seen some softness is in the more value portfolio. So that's and.
An accretive margin.
Next secondly.
While it's hard to predict exactly timing, we don't think structurally there will be a change in the.
The margin outlook coming out of the cereal business, but there could be some timing pressure probably more towards the end of the year then.
Anything that would affect 'twenty, one and we've obviously contemplated all of that in our 10 of our guidance.
Thank you that's helpful and then in the press release, you talked about some some challenges with the value to your cereal business.
I suspect it's both so I think you mentioned private label, even aside from the contracts, but also from ultimately up to a degree, but we've kind of seen this broadly across the market where the value tier hasn't has been struggling in many categories.
What do you think is driving that and do you expect that to mean revert back to normal.
Yeah.
I do I've been a proponent of the argument that it was more a supply phenomenon than a demand phenomenon.
Now that the supply chains are largely back to where we are delivering.
Within the normal parameters of customer fill rates I think that there's going to be tested.
And then I'm going to allow for the.
A reasonable possibility that I'm wrong in that some of this has been simply more money flooding into consumer hands choosing to buy up.
Again, this is an opinion rather than database, but I don't believe that's a permanent condition I think that as that stimulus money flows through.
That is resulting in consumer buyout that too is transitory and reverts to a normal.
Our normal buying pattern in which consumers see value and obviously as the quality of some of these value products continues to expand makes up a more competitive offering I think that ultimately gets you back to a private.
Private label value.
<unk> largely in line with pre pandemic levels, even though right now it's a bit off.
Yeah, I think I suspect you're right. It makes a lot I'll pass it on.
Thank you.
Yeah.
We have Richard.
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