Q1 2021 Infrastructure and Energy Alternatives Inc Earnings Call
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Good morning, and welcome to infrastructure and energy alternatives first quarter and full year 2021 conference call.
I'd like to note that all participants on today's call are in a listen only mode.
And with that I'll turn the call over to Kimberly estrogen Investor Relations for IEA Kimberly. Please go ahead.
Hello, and thank you for joining us today to discuss the Iea's first quarter, 2020 one financial results.
With us from management and R. J P Reid, President and Chief Executive Officer.
And Pete <unk> Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Before turning the call over to management and I would like to note that today's discussion contains forward looking statements about iea's future growth and financial expectations and any forward looking statements should be considered in conjunction with the cautionary statements in yesterday's press release and the risk factors included and the company's SEC filings except as.
The required by law IEA undertakes no obligation to update its forward looking statements after todays call.
Management will be presenting some non-GAAP financial measurements as references including adjusted EBITDA the appropriate GAAP financial reconciliations can be found in yesterday's press release.
And with that I'll now turn the call over to J P. Li Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead JP.
Well, thank you Kimberly and good morning to everyone. We appreciate you joining our first quarter earnings conference call.
Our performance for the first quarter was in line with our expectations consolidated revenues were $276 million and adjusted EBITDA was $3 4 million, while both revenue and adjusted EBITDA saw declines from last year's first quarter. As we had indicated would be the case all of our fourth quarter call.
Our underlying business remains strong as demonstrated by our backlog and increase of $606 million to a record total of $2 7 billion at the end.
And of the first quarter. Unlike last year when revenue and profitability were Frontloaded, we are expecting a more traditional seasonality period in 2021 with our financial performance ramping through the year.
He remains on track to meet our full year guidance numbers and in fact, we raised the bottom end of our revenue guidance for the year to $1 8 billion.
And as the economy gradually reopens across the country. We are getting the go ahead. The start jobs previously delayed by the pandemic challenges such as slower permitting.
Such projects starts have resulted and the onboarding of over 450 employees already and the second quarter, and we expect that ramp and employees to continue well into the third quarter.
And we're continuing to bide by all health and safety requirements and our project sites, but we are seeing some states relax the protocols as more people, including Iea's crews become vaccinated.
One of the main challenges to our renewable work this year will be ensuring that the scheduled delivery of wind turbines meets our high demand given the surge and renewables work.
The delays and starting projects mean, the construction timelines have become less flexible.
While we may experience some equipment delays due to COVID-19, and other supply chain issues, we believe that our contractual protections with their clients will minimize our exposure to those delays.
Naturally we're not out of the woods when it comes the COVID-19 impact and we are still navigating some delays from customers, whose workforce continues to work remotely.
The good news is that bidding activity, particularly in renewables remained strong providing significant solar and wind construction and services opportunity.
Turning to the first quarter results for our business lines of our renewable segment was 65% of overall revenue for the quarter and revenue of a $180 million a decrease of 28% from last year's record first quarter within the segment. Our solar division continued to perform very well and revenues grew from.
Point 2 million to approximately 34 million and the quarter our newly formed when services group also made positive contributions to the quarter.
During the first quarter, we won several wind and solar projects, including both wind and solar farms and Texas. The state was ranked number one for operating wind and solar and energy storage capacity and the country.
The Texas Solar Farm project began this past quarter and is anticipated to be completed in December.
And so performing all of the work on this project, including the construction of project roads, the erection of the solar trackers and installation of the inverter system.
Similarly, I E sell performing all of the work on one of our Texas Wind farm projects, including the construction of all of the project roads and the erection of the wind turbines and installation of the underground electrical collection system.
And the separate Texas contract I E is constructing a 200 megawatt utility scale wind farm of about 23 miles northwest of Corpus Christi.
Outside of the Texas region, We won an award for a $50 million of wind contract and northwest, Iowa and of $40 million when construction contract and Colorado, both of which will be completed in late 2021.
<unk> was the first day and the U S to generate more than 30% of its total electricity from wind power and in 2020 when energy officially surpassed coal as Iowa's largest single source of electricity.
And Colorado when accounts for roughly 25% of all electricity produced or enough of energy to produce our power 2 million homes per year. We're also building another new wind farm and Illinois, I E is leading the way and expanding renewable energy generation for our nation's leading stay.
Producers of clean energy sources.
Turning now to our specialty civil segment, especially civil accounted for 35 per cent of total revenue in Q1, 2021 with revenue of $96 million down 12% year over year.
The primary reason for the decline and segment revenue was delays and projects and the rail market.
The pandemic has caused the decline and the number of active freight railcars. However, we were able to win sighting the extension of work in several states.
And our specialty civil work that we won during the quarter includes landfill expansion contract and Illinois, a bridge rehabilitation contract and Northern California that includes general contracting work along with the treatment of the road surface and electrical substation work and Iowa and Nebraska.
At this point, we do not know the extent of the impact of federal infrastructure Bill will have on our overall revenue.
That said, we anticipate that many of our specialty civil segment customers are waiting to see how that build transpires before aggressively bidding new contracts, we would anticipate the bills passage will be of positive for rail and other surface transportation.
Before speaking further about the growth trajectory of our end markets and the potential impact of legislation I will turn the call over the <unk>, our CFO to highlight the first quarter's financial results and provide our 2021 guidance Pete.
Thanks, J P and good morning to everyone listening.
Last night, we issued our 2021 first quarter earnings press release and filed our form 10-Q.
Let me start by noting that from a financial perspective, the first quarter was quiet and in line with our expectations as.
As we have communicated in the past few calls we expected that the 2021 first quarter would be challenging, especially when compared the 2021st quarter.
J P has talked about the decrease in revenue. So I will speak briefly about the gross margin the <unk>.
Primary driver for the reduced margin was unabsorbed or idle equipment costs for.
For the quarter that amount was approximately $10 million and total of $5 million and each of our operating segments.
Depreciation and operating lease expenses continue even when equipment is not assigned to projects, if I E, where only a $270 million of quarter or $1 1 billion annual revenue of the company would have way too much equipment, but we are a more than $1 8 billion and revenue construction company.
And we will need all of our equipment to achieve that level of revenue in 2021.
The unused equipment did not sit idle during the quarter as we were able to accomplish some preventative maintenance.
Similarly, we incurred labor inefficiencies during the quarter and some of our key Kraft and project management employees were not assigned to projects.
And they use the time for safety and job related training and they will be very busy building wind and solar farms for the rest of the year.
To reach the midpoint of our guidance, we need to generate revenues of $1 $6 billion. During the next three quarters.
Our expectation is that by the end of the year, we will have returned to our traditional gross profit margin.
For the quarter SG&A expenses decreased by $4 $6 million.
Compared to last year's first quarter, primarily from reductions and performance related compensation.
For the quarter SG&A expenses were 9% of revenue compared to eight 2% of revenue and last year's first quarter.
As the revenue increases throughout the year, we would expect SG&A expenses to be similar to last year's mid 6% of revenue range.
Some other financial highlights.
And the first quarter, our cash used in operations totaled $53 $8 million compared to $74 2 million and at the same period a year ago. We.
We generally have negative cash flow from operations and the first quarter of each year, resulting from the lower level of first quarter operations compared to the fourth quarter of the previous year.
Interest expense for the quarter totaled $14 4 million down from $16 1 million and the first quarter of 2020, primarily as a result of lower effective interest rates on our term loan partially offset by an increased dividend rate on our series B preferred stock from 12% to 13.
5% for the quarter the.
The increase of the dividend rate resulted from our first lien net leverage ratio above one five at the end of the quarter we.
We made the series B dividend payments and cash at the end of the quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter totaled $3 4 million or one 2% of revenues as compared to $16 5 million or for 6% of revenues and the first quarter of 2020.
As of March 31, 2021, and our balance sheet showed cash of $95 $2 million our debt at the end of the quarter included $173 $3 million outstanding under our credit facility with no amortization payments due until December 2022.
For $9 million of the commercial equipment loans and $51 $8 million of financing leases.
We also showed a $186 million of series B preferred stock that is mandatorily redeemable in 2025, and therefore are categorized as long term debt on the balance sheet.
We had $53 million of availability under our revolving credit facility.
A decrease of $14 2 million from the prior quarter due to increased letters of credit related to recent project wins.
Capital expenditures for the first quarter totaled $6 1 million of which $2 2 million was financed through leases.
We continue to expect the capital expenditures for the year will be and the 35% to $38 million range for approximately 2% of revenues for 2021.
Turning to backlog and we added $606 million for our backlog and the first quarter ending with a record total of $2 $7 billion or new contract awards for the quarter were $883 million also of record.
We expect of recognized $1 9 billion of that backlog amount and the next 12 months.
On the guidance for full year 2021.
While the year started slowly we have not experienced significant cancellations and projects nor have we lost projects. The competitors. So we are expecting that the next three quarters will be very busy.
We are increasing the bottom end of our revenue range from $1 7 billion to $1 8 billion.
And while reiterating of the top end of the revenue range at $1 95 billion.
And our full year 2021 guidance for adjusted EBITDA of $130 million to $140 million.
Finally, let me comment on our capital structure.
During Q1, we made some progress as Oak Creek completed a secondary offering for most of their shares in February and last week. All current converted all of their series B warrants for common shares.
Their holdings are currently slightly less and 2 million shares of common stock.
We continue our discussions with all of our stakeholders, including Aries, which owns all of our series a and series B preferred equity, our sureties, who view, our balance sheet and making decisions about bonds and many of our investors and our board of directors.
We expect that we will be able to improve our capital structure, but we are not yet ready to commit to a specific direction our timetable at this point.
Thank you and I will now turn the call back over to J P to talk about iea's market opportunities.
Well, thank you Pete.
<unk> business continues to grow our focus on environmental social and governance issues has only increased and.
I am, particularly proud to announce that IAA will be releasing our first ever ESG report later this week.
As a key player and the renewable energy space, we committed ourselves to building a greener future from the very start and we now look forward to sharing our progress and our formalized report.
The results of our study will serve as the baseline from which we can continue to improve and years to come.
And Mike Stoecker, our Chief operating officer leads our ESG initiatives.
Spearheading the ESG team that tracks internal data evaluates our efforts and maintains best practices for our company, Mike and his team have done an exceptional job and increasing iea's transparency and fostering of dialogue around our ESG policies and metrics our board of directors has reviewed and.
And of Dorsey, our efforts as well.
Adding to our efforts to improve our governance just yesterday, we announced the addition of Theodore bumping to our board of directors.
And as a qualified financial expert and a very experienced public company director, who come to IEA from the utility industry. Most recently served as group President utility operations at Entergy Corporation, a fortune 500 power company.
He held for five years prior to his retirement and 2017 and total field spent 34 years of various leadership positions at Entergy. He will bring strong utility operations experienced IEA.
Half of our entire board of directors, we welcome Theo and look forward to working together.
As we considered a growth of IEA, we see strong macro trends across each of our end markets.
Obviously, the first one is the potential impact of the federal infrastructure Bill and proposed tax plans. The administrations of American rescue plan calls for a number of changes that could benefit the renewables industry. These include a requirement the utility source, 100% of their electricity needs from clean energy.
That by 2035 of the U S would achieve 100% clean power and that $15 billion would be provided for demonstration projects, including those related to utility scale clean energy storage.
Bloomberg has stated that the U S will need to add at least 70 gigawatts of wind and solar per year from 2025 onward to reach the 100% clean energy by 2035 goal.
On the tax side of the equation and December 2020 legislation added a one year extension of the 60% PTC for wind and a two year extension of the ITC for solar at 26% of the project's value for.
For both wind and solar projects placed into service by 2025 are eligible for these extended credits. The proposed federal tax plan also provides for a 10 year extension of the PTC and ITC and creates a incentives for long distance transmission lines needed to move electricity.
And from clean energy generators.
Our specialty civil segment could also benefit from funding legislation as the administrations infrastructure. Bill proposal includes 621 billion for transportation infrastructure of which of 115 billion and it goes to fixing roads and bridges are over 20000 miles of high.
Roads and streets, and another $85 billion of modernization of transit systems, including rail.
Beyond the proposed government investment and the renewable space, we see other secular drivers, including state and renewable power mandates and the previously disclosed interest of both utilities and large corporations to focus on renewable energy.
Because we are and EPC company, we are dependent on the owners to complete their funding and permitting prior to the start of construction.
As such we do not expect that we would see.
The benefit to 2021 revenue from either of tax plan or infrastructure Bill.
And that these pieces of legislation would accelerate our growth opportunities and the next few years.
Beyond renewables, we are also seeing strong growth drivers for our specialty civil business and in particular coal ash removal as I noted on last quarter's call. There are more than 700 coal ash impoundment and landfills and the United States today, approximately 15% have been closed of Remediated.
The coal ash remediation of opportunity in this country could therefore exceed $50 billion over the next decade alone and that present, the very few companies of the scale and the experience one of whom is IEA that can serve this market. We are hopeful that we will be able to announce progress and our coal ash effort.
And the near future.
And the rail space ageing computer infrastructure combined with the anticipated growth and freight volume of 36% over the next decade is actively driving the opportunity for additional rail improvement projects.
In November of last year, we announced the joint venture contract awarded by the Northern Indiana commuter transport district to design and build a commuter railroad project.
And the past two years IAA has gained significant experience and commuter rail, which is one area of emphasis and the administrations infrastructure proposal.
While the administration's infrastructure proposal does not emphasize non rail surface transportation and the need to improve the country's roads and bridges certainly remains.
As the economies across the country continue to open up we would expect the historical bipartisan support to create of transportation system that is safe resilient and that has the capacity to handle the nation's growing population.
<unk> entered 2021, knowing that we had a tough comparison to the first quarter to the prior year, but as Pete noted, we anticipate that 2020, one will be a strong year for IEA not only has the traditional seasonality of our business return, but the overall macro conditions have improved and so too.
The demand for our services as demonstrated by our record backlog and as I Hope you have gathered for my comments almost any version of an infrastructure bill would appear to be transformational for the renewables industry.
While we need the temper expectations of the timeframe for turning legislation into actual projects. The passage of the bill would generate momentum for our industry and for IEA.
I want to conclude by noting that we were in the right businesses at the right time to continue to advance <unk> business, we will focus on five key growth areas.
One and most importantly, developing our people.
Number two and engaging with our community.
Three continually improving our safety for.
For increasing our efficiency and.
And five diversifying our businesses to take advantage of meaningful opportunities.
I certainly believe that IEA is up for the task and look forward to continuing to update all of you and share our progress and the future.
Thank you again for joining us this morning for our first quarter call. We have our virtual annual shareholder meeting in two days and hope that you could join us.
Operator would you please open the call for questions.
Thank you at this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session.
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Thank you.
First question is coming from the line of Noelle Dilts with Stifel. Please proceed with your questions.
Hi, guys. Good morning, Thanks for taking my question good.
Good morning Noelle.
Good morning, I was hoping you could just maybe expand a little bit on how we should all be thinking about the trajectory of wind versus solar and you said sort of bidding activity is strong.
And then the last call there was some discussion about solar potentially doubling you know can you give us any sense of what the backlog is looking like maintenance and we can think about kind of how to think about the directional changes for those businesses.
Yes, great Great question, Noelle and well certainly were seeing the biggest growth opportunity and our renewable segment in the solar industry.
Certainly at a.
Growth trajectory, that's exceeding that of wind.
Now that being said, we're all time record kind of backlog for wind as well.
And and all time kind of record build out from an industry standpoint, but.
As we kind of look at the at the road in front of Us.
Solar has.
And of.
And the opportunity to continue to grow and we have an opportunity to make that much more.
Part of the revenue mix and our renewable segment.
Okay, Great and then just in terms of this slowdown in some of the transit and specialty civil work ahead of and anticipated infrastructure of Burlington and certainly witnessed that in the past.
But could you maybe talk us through how youre thinking about.
I mean really when we think about the funding of in today's market sometimes at the.
12 to 18 months delay and pulling up the passage of the belts are we looking at kind of the two year slowdown and the business is ahead of the bill or maybe you know kind of this year and then and then things start to pick up next year, just kind of curious how youre thinking about that timing for.
Well good question.
Ultimately the really the only the only material slowdown and we're seeing so far is mostly and the our rail portion of our specialty civil segment.
And we directly attribute that to our freight rail business and the the car counts being lower during the COVID-19 pandemic.
We believe that.
Couple of quarter type of situation fact, we think that.
That is starting to recover.
Right now with the recovery and the opening up of the nation as far as kind of of the other areas of specialty civil both either our environmental or transportation offerings.
And believe it or not where we're seeing the.
The.
The opportunities kind of.
And kind of maintaining par with the.
Prior to the pandemic I know we've talked we've talked.
And past.
Calls quarterly calls about our concerns about the revenue shortfall, particularly in the transportation funding side, but right now at least and the end markets that the IAA participates the bidding activity seems to be at the pre pandemic levels. So we're hoping for a post the infrastructure Bill just to see further up.
Side and those areas.
Okay, Great. That's really helpful. Thank you.
Our next question is coming from the line of and I'm done and where it with Thompson Davis. Please proceed with your questions.
Hey, good morning, guys congrats on the backlog growth.
And good morning, Adam.
Was hoping you guys can help a little bit on the.
Cadence of EBITDA as we go through the year and I'm curious if we see now.
More year over year declines and Q2, and then followed by strength and the second half.
Well, Adam we're not going to give guidance at quite that level definitely not quarterly guidance I think you arent going to see a very strong second half.
Maybe even stronger and.
Because we started so slowly.
May very well see 60% of our revenue and <unk>.
Somewhat corresponding EBITDA and the second half but.
Those stronger than normal and the backend.
Okay that makes sense and then you briefly touched on the equipment delays I think that's mostly on the wind side.
And how is that tracking versus your expectations earlier this year.
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So far we really haven't seen any.
You know many delays materialize.
But we're sitting here it's may and.
And.
Those deliveries will kind of fall our revenue trends so far.
It is early to tell.
About what deliveries and will look like and Q2 Q3, and even even Q4, but we haven't been advised by any of our customers any major delays.
But.
We're certainly cognizant that we are at an all time build out for the industry. The COVID-19 is still and areas of the world and the supply chain is still.
Still existent so.
We remain vigilant and the.
And cautious and we will.
Handle those as they come.
And then just one more im curious how youre thinking about.
Backlog and backlog growth from here I mean have you told your sales guys [laughter] almost of it.
For.
Go back a little bit and I'm, just curious of the two $7 billion backlog I mean does that strike is kind of sold out for the near term or do you claim on that and and to grow of backlog come on out of them I never slowdown.
Well guys, we can't fill all of this work.
Yeah.
Good question I think you're out of I think we ought to think about that in context of our segments.
We have we are pretty much brought in the backlog, what we will build in 2021.
Our and our sales cycle now for 2022 and beyond and our renewables segment quite frankly.
And our.
Our specialty civil segment is more of a book to burn.
The type of business so.
And we still have the opportunity in that side of the business to bring projects and the backlog and execute them and run them off before the end of the year, but.
There is still a possibility of picking up some renewable work that may start at the end of the year and really trail in the 2022, but.
Debt.
The real big renewable opportunities going to be.
2022 and beyond.
But as I said, we are still concentrating on bringing 2021, especially civil work and the door.
Got it okay. Thanks, guys.
Our next question and it's coming from the line of Zain Rimini with D. A Davidson. Please proceed with your questions.
Thank you for the time and question the best.
No I'm the same good morning Jami.
So first off the most talked about backlog and I'm, sorry, one more time on it so backlog backlog numbers on the quarter. We're significantly ahead of our expectation of the prior year numbers.
Wondering if you could provide some more background on it and particular backlog composition and if you haven't seen any changes and the margins of those backlogs and the average projects links for a different type of growing work and that backlog.
Probably are.
Our biggest growth as I talked about earlier here in the in the questions about our biggest opportunities where we're seeing the biggest growth and solar.
Our year over year growth and backlog.
I think the biggest area in growth is certainly solar.
We're seeing margins.
And the remaining consistent but I would I would certainly attribute of.
A good portion of that.
Sure.
The growth in backlog to our solar.
Efforts and growth.
And.
Okay, and then I think in your prepared remarks.
And you guys mentioned that there needs to be about 15, gigawatts of nuclear and energy coming online of year to meet the 2035 goals around clean energy.
And on and more normalized basis, how much of that work do you think you could get done on the current platform and how large of an opportunity could that be I understood years out.
And just trying to get my head wrapped around that opportunity.
For me the meet the administration's goals, it's about 70 gigawatts of year of clean energy that has to be constructed.
And to meet those goals and just to level set.
That's about excuse me two to three times, the amount of wind and solar and it's been that was built between 2019 and 2021.
So tremendous opportunity for companies like ourselves.
And back to my comments and the earnings call any kind of it.
The.
The current administration's plan it certainly transformational.
And as is but even a percentage of that plan and half of that plan a quarter of that plan is still going to be tremendous growth from what the market has been the last the last three years. So we're extremely excited.
Ourselves and I'm sure companies like ourselves are.
And are starting to plot about strategies of how you get the resources and how you grow to meet that demand and the.
We will certainly hopefully be talking to them about and many calls here in the future.
Okay. Thank you for the time and questions.
Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Sharp for instance, with Guggenheim Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, Good morning, this is actually competency and letting of and for sure. Thanks for taking our questions.
And thank you Rob.
Congratulations on a solid quarter, especially with the backlog of ads and just curious to kind of get some of your thoughts on the increased blood flow and backlog and how will that impact.
And of the utilization and the margin profile going forward and the understanding that there was the kind of some margin compression unusual kind of and.
With the seasonality of that.
You mentioned, but just kind of how do you see that trending on an annual basis and is there room for kind of improved and so not even in 'twenty, one and but going forward kind of as you grow into a bigger backlog in terms of the.
Utilization.
The first part of your answer is we expect by the end of this year that and we will be back to much more normal traditional.
Margins and the margin profile, so, it's probably going to be able to better for the last three quarters. Since we are somewhat challenged and the first quarter.
I think that the.
<unk> and that we're expecting and that were staff for.
And the for which we have equipment is really intended to be able to get to the.
And the top end of our revenue range.
As we look going forward some of the challenges. We have is that there are kind of generic markers, where most of our customers expect that we're going to represent somewhere around 30% of their capital spend on a project and so we don't quite have the ability to change margins dramatically.
Where we noticed the benefit of the.
Of the market right now is and the contracting terms. So we ended up with much better terms and we do win.
And we're in a position where or when they are in a position where they are.
The way too many EPS.
Contractors and not enough work so right now as we look forward, we expect to see margins and on.
On an annual basis to be consistent with where we've been or perhaps slightly improvements and we expect to see.
Better contractual terms for the next.
Certainly in the next few quarters.
And maybe a quick kind of operational follow up for that just kind of as you expand the product offerings and the backlog.
And maybe in terms of and order of magnitude do you mean kind of incremental capex for staffing as the kind of the grow the the backlog of let's call. It if you double your backlog and pointing to kind of what sort of.
The incremental costs for Capex would you anticipate and still kind of within that 2% of revenue that was allocated.
You announced previously or how should we think about that.
And it somewhat depends where the increase is for example, if we ended up with Cigna.
Significant CCR of coal ash contract, we may have to spend.
That tends to be very hard on equipment. So we may need to spend slightly more than 2%.
And again, if we are and the renewables, you're probably going to see us say a lot closer to the 2%. So it really is a function of where the increase comes.
And so I think as you look forward, that's going to be the determinant, obviously, if youre talking about doubling our challenge will probably be much more on finding craftsman and craft labor.
And then it is on the equipment.
I think we're kind of seeing that all over.
Body of the saying pretty much where we are today, yes, we can meet our commitments. If you were to try to changes dramatically.
Double our revenue those are some of the challenges we're going to have to deal with.
Okay, and then the last follow up and I have.
If I may.
And just on kind of the financial strategy and I. Appreciate that there is still some analysis that kind of built into your decision, making but just.
Directionally as you kind of get more visibility with the backlog and into the future revenues net of how does that change your trajectory and your thoughts on kind of.
The capital structure.
And I'm not sure that those of the drivers of the capital structure, we have.
Obviously as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we are focused on improving the structure. We recognize that in today's market. There are some potential opportunities that we would certainly like to look at and understand and consider I think the the real driver for us is making and a cleaner more.
Tangible capital structure, and making sure we have something there.
As.
A.
Sureties desire.
Tangible net worth so I think we are headed in that direction. We just don't know yet the precise path or how quickly we get there, but I don't think of the driver is necessarily.
The.
The backlog of the driver is really more of our ability to produce profitably and generate cash flow.
Perfect.
And that's a very wholesome update thank you. Thanks, so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
<unk> reached the end of the question and answer session and I'll now turn the call back over to J P of <unk> CEO for closing remarks.
Well, thank you operator, and we certainly appreciate each and every one of you showing your interest and joining us today.
And the learning about our 2000, <unk> Q1 2021 results.
Stay safe stay healthy and we'll see everybody in early August is the.
We look forward to announcing our Q2 results, we'll talk to you all and thank you.
Thank you. This will conclude today's conference you may disconnect. Your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.
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