Q3 2021 Universal Technical Institute Inc Earnings Call
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Hello, and welcome to the Universal Technical Institute fiscal third quarter 2021 earnings Conference call with US today are Jerome Grant Chief Executive Officer, and Troy Anderson, Chief Financial Officer, All participants will be in a listen only mode should you need assistance. Please signal conference specialist by pressing that.
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Management internal uses adjusted net income or loss adjusted EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow as performance measures and those figures will be discussed on today's call.
As a reminder, we have provided reconciliations of these non-GAAP measurements to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measurements in today's press release, and we encourage you to carefully review those reconciliations. It is now my pleasure to turn our call to our CEO Jerome Grant.
Thank you Matt Good afternoon, everyone and thank you all for joining us today.
First I'd like to express my gratitude to our students and staff for their ongoing efforts and diligence during this quarter.
All of our campuses were fully operational this quarter and it returned to normal class entities.
It is my sincere hope that I'll be able to retire. This particular reminder, shortly as we emerge from the pandemic.
You see being fully open and operational as our natural state and not something I'd like to regularly update our stakeholders on going forward.
So it feels like a long time ago. It was just a little over a year ago that the COVID-19, pandemic basically shut down much of our economy and that of the world as well.
As a reminder, or a quick review for most of this quarter last year all of our campuses were closed for a hand on instruction.
Metrics, such as student withdrawal rates leaves of absence cares act funds and student progression rage reader introduced into our reporting or increased substantially temporarily becoming the focus of our business health for some.
For U T I and our management team. However, these were just short term, though critical challenges to address our financial strength track record for success and industry, leading outcomes continue to be the foundational pillars. We are building upon even through COVID-19, our focus is and always will be on raising the bar for.
For ourselves and our students.
With that in mind, we've been innovating by developing a new blended learning delivery model over the past several years the timetable and approach for this work was adapted and accelerated in response to the pandemic as we quickly adjusted our plan moving to rollout this innovative model across all of our facilities last spring.
We also put new laptop computers in the hands of many of our students and rapidly adapted to the unprecedented environment that confronted us and all individuals families and businesses across the country, it's been quite a year and then some.
But as communities and families and individuals and as a company focused on critical needs for education, we embraced the challenge to raise the stakes on the critical services we provide.
Turning to this year's fiscal third quarter, we performed quite well relative to our own expectations during the quarter and we continue to distance ourselves from the challenges we faced during the most difficult waves of the pandemic.
I'm pleased to say that we achieved year over year revenue growth at 54% during the quarter and start growth of nearly 39% and produced net income totaling $3 million.
More importantly, it was another quarter of providing strong educational and employment outcomes for our students and filling the skills gap by supplying our technicians to our employment partners and the broader market.
This is all coming together at a time when the educational needs outcomes and requirements in post secondary education are becoming an increasing focus around the country.
Principally despite the challenges of the past year.
Day, we're in a position where many of the most important metrics of our business are rivaling what was seen in 2019 prior to the onset of Covid.
For example, our average student population during the most recent quarter was 900 more students than in 2019.
Not only did we repair the damage done and address the challenges of the past year, but we're coming out better and stronger than we went in bringing forward innovation, while also making progress on important growth and diversification plans.
Though there will eventually be many consensus takeaways from this unique period, we've all been living through this past year, 1 seemingly universal takeaway already is that this pandemic accelerated trends that were already in place, but perhaps not moving as quickly as they could.
For UTI that acceleration has focused on the introduction of our innovative blended learning model across all of our campuses that I mentioned earlier as well as substantially advancing the growth and diversification strategy that our management team in collaboration with our board of directors has begun putting into place.
This pandemic certainly expose the skills and training gaps that exist across the country in terms of education. It also awakened many workers and lower paying and lowered skilled jobs today more than ever before we are seeing that prospective students are keenly focused on getting ready for it tomorrow that is <unk>.
Right, Hi, pain stable careers not merely jobs from UTI standpoint, this is where preparation meets opportunity in the form of our new learning model.
At the heart of the advancement in our approach to education and training is meeting students, where they are and advancing and broadening the technology skills, they need which are being increasingly sought after by prospective employers.
So neither of our core constituencies students and employers asked us to develop this model the feedback from students families and our corporate partners has been enthusiastic from a company standpoint. In addition to the benefits that our students and employment partners gained from the new approach it enables UTI to deliver more program.
Through the same footprint and increase the capacity and capabilities of our offerings.
To explain how we are beginning to capitalize on this new found efficiency I'd like now to turn briefly to our growth and diversification strategy.
Earlier this year, we announced 3 initial steps in our strategy. These were the launch of 2 additional welding programs in our existing campus network.
Our plan to open the first 2 of our true blended learning oriented campuses in Austin and Miami.
And the agreement to acquire M. I a T school of technology. We're pleased to say that all 3 of these actions are still going according to plan as a reminder, the MAA T acquisition is supposed to close by the end of calendar 2021, and both of our new campuses as well as our eighth and ninth welding.
Grams are progressing towards launching on schedule in fiscal 2022.
Additionally, the associated plan and timing to expand an initial set of 4 M. I a T programs across 9 of the UTI campuses remains unchanged kind of gets to Scott.
A successful close.
We continue to meet with the MAA team management team and these meetings have increased our enthusiasm about the combination we could not be more excited to welcome their team on board.
As Troy and I mentioned in our report last quarter. These actions are merely the initial stages of our growth and diversification strategy.
Although we have no announcements today, we're keenly focused on exploring additional opportunities for growth now before handing the call over to Troy I think it's especially important to revisit our core value proposition given the nationwide labor shortages inflation in other areas concerning the broader economy and how this foundation.
Ties directly to our growth strategy.
Our value proposition really lies within the high demand skills that we can provide for our students. These skills are ultimately a tool to give students a career with a viable growth path and not just minimum wage job with a paycheck.
We see these sorts of outcomes coming true all the time for our students and our graduates are leaving UTI with a strong technical skill set and are prepared to begin building a lifelong stable career with significant upside potential.
This is only 1 reason why we feel comfortable with our trajectory. Despite the unprecedented trends, we're seeing in the labor market today.
We know that there's always going to be a place for our graduates who leave UTI with the high demand technical skills that we offer America's simply cannot function without them.
These outcomes and opportunities for our graduates are why we are very confident in the platform. We've built and we believe we can generate core campus start growth annually in the low to mid single digits no matter the economic environment.
Building upon that platform, we plan to continue expanding our portfolio of high demand program offerings. While we also continue to assess new geographic markets in need of our services. We're.
We're not only confident in our big picture goals, but given the current trends, we're seeing and strength of our base business and assuming no major COVID-19 related interruptions. We also have continued confidence in our ability to execute on our business as it is today and therefore, we are reaffirming our previously outlined guidance for the fiscal year.
We also remain confident in the longer term projections, we provided in the last call for 2022 and beyond.
With that said I'll now turn the call over to Troy for an in depth discussion of our operating performance our guidance and a view into the future Troy.
Thank you Jerome as Jerome mentioned, we performed well this quarter and delivered solid growth across our key operating and financial metrics.
While the year over year metrics benefit measurably from the prior year pandemic impacts we continue to be very pleased with the underlying performance and trajectory of our business.
I'll start with the discussion of this quarter's results and then move to our fiscal 2021 outlook and longer term strategic roadmap before handing the call back to Jerome for closing remarks.
The interest in our programs remained strong with third quarter, New student starts up 38, 8% from the prior year quarter.
On average active students increasing 19, 1%.
Show rate was also very strong at 280 basis points better than the prior year quarter.
We saw year over year, new student start growth across all 3 channels with the greatest improvement this quarter in the adult channel up 62%.
We delivered total revenue of $83.8 million or 53, 8% growth compared to the prior year quarter.
And 6% growth versus the third quarter of fiscal 2019.
The revenue growth versus the prior year was due to higher revenue per student and approximately 1700 more average active students given pandemic related leaves of absence in the prior year.
The revenue per student continues to pace towards pre COVID-19 levels as we see steady improvements across the various factors that impact it.
This is a clear indicator regarding the effectiveness of our student engagement efforts.
Lab make ups are essentially complete retake and withdrawal rates continued to normalize and they'll leave of absence rate was fairly stable in the quarter.
An additional note we recognize the 800000 of deferred revenue associated with lab make ups that was outstanding at the end of the second quarter and.
And have no deferral as of the end of the third quarter.
Our growing student population and nearly recovered revenue per student supports our confidence around our fiscal 2021 guidance and the longer term outlook, we have provided.
I'll have more on that in a few minutes.
Moving down the income statement operating income for the quarter was $3.1 million compared to an operating loss of $13.8 million in the prior year period.
With the improvement primarily attributable to the higher revenue in the quarter, which was partially offset by higher comparable operating expenses.
Notably during the pandemic environment last year, we measurably decreased labor and other operating expenses during the third quarter.
While expenses have increased since then as we've resumed full operations. It is important to note. They are lower than they were in the quarters immediately preceding the pandemic. Despite a similar number of students.
This reflects the operating efficiencies we are beginning to see from our blended learning model, our real estate optimization efforts and other productivity improvement initiatives.
Adjusted EBITDA for the period was $7.2 million compared to negative adjusted EBITDA of $8.8 million in the prior year period.
Adjustments in the period were for acquisition related expenses and new campus startup costs.
Net income for the period was 3 million, while adjusted net income was $3.3 million, reflecting the same adjustments as adjusted EBITDA.
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Net loss in the prior year comparable period was $13.3 million with loss per share of <unk> 45 cents.
Shares outstanding for the quarter were $32.8 million.
Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow, we ended the quarter with available liquidity of $103.1 million, which includes short term held to maturity investments.
No we completed the financing of our Avondale campus and May shortly after our last earnings call.
Yielding approximately $31 million.
As a reminder, we purchased the campus in December 'twenty 'twenty for $45.2 million.
We also continued to build liquidity to our operations with year to date operating cash flow of $14.8 million compared to a use of $10.3 million in the prior year.
Additionally, adjusted free cash flow year to date is $5 million compared to a use of $16.2 million at this time last year.
I'd now like to speak briefly about our outlook for the remainder of the year and thoughts on fiscal 2022 and beyond.
For fiscal 2020, 1 we are reiterating our guidance of year over year, new student start and revenue growth of 10% to 15% adjust.
Adjusted EBITDA of $30 million to $35 million adjusted net income of $14 million to $19 million and adjusted free cash flow of $20 million to $25 million.
As Jerome stated this assumes no major COVID-19 related disruptions.
Within our guidance, we took into account more normalized year over year start growth in the fourth quarter versus what we have seen over the last 3 quarters.
And we expect fourth quarter revenue growth will be double digits with strong profitability and cash flow.
We also anticipate elevated capex in the fourth quarter.
Thin ramps for our new campus welding growth investments and for our real estate consolidation projects and Sacramento Orlando and Avondale.
Of note the contour of our new student starts for the year has been different than in past years, particularly for the high School channel, where we saw greater strength throughout the year, but are projecting less substantial growth in the fourth quarter.
This is partly a reflection of the carryover of starts out of the last 2 quarters of fiscal 'twenty 'twenty into the initial quarters of this year higher third quarter starts and more limited high school access during the year, which initially was virtual only and with no on site tours at our campuses, but ended the school year much more normalized as a mix.
Virtual and in person.
That said, our high school and overall recruitment approach has evolved significantly throughout the year.
And we have learned a tremendous amount.
We continue to evolve and optimize our marketing and recruiting efforts to be as effective as possible in any environment across all our channels furthering our confidence heading into fiscal 2022.
For our announced strategic initiatives, namely the M. I, a T acquisition and opening of new campuses in Austin in Miami I'll reiterate drums comments that we remain confident in the previously announced timelines.
We expect M. I a P to close by the end of fiscal 2021 or early in fiscal 2022.
And we are on track for the fiscal 'twenty 'twenty 2 launch of Austin in the second quarter and Miami in the fourth quarter.
Our expectations for the aggregate benefit of these strategic actions coupled with the trajectory of our base business are also unchanged.
We estimate they would result in an average annual revenue growth rate of more than 10% over the next several years.
Positioning the company to deliver annual revenue solidly over 500 million by fiscal 2025.
Adjusted EBITDA margin in excess of 20 per cent by that time.
Included within that is an estimated fiscal 2022 revenue growth rate in the low to mid twenties.
And adjusted EBITDA margin in the low teens.
As we said on our last call. This is not guidance.
That said, we expect to issue formal guidance for fiscal 2022, and our fourth quarter earnings call in November.
And finally as Jerome mentioned, we will continue to explore additional opportunities to grow and diversify our business our strong balance sheet and the strategic roadmap. We have outlined gives us great optionality as we move forward.
We will provide more updates on this when it is warranted.
Before closing I would be remiss, if I didn't comment on the current COVID-19 environment and the most recent announcements by the CDC and response to the surge of the Delta variant, particularly in those who are not vaccinated.
Throughout the pandemic, we've adhere to CDC and local guidelines and we continue to do so.
Additionally, while we strongly encourage vaccination for both our students and faculty currently we do not require it to be at our facilities.
Given our flexible learning model and the knowledge, we have gained about operating in this environment over the past year, we are confident in our ability to effectively maintain our operations and support our students and staff and we'll continue to adapt to the circumstances to the best of our ability.
With that thanks, as always to the UTI team and our students for another quarter of hard work and positive outcomes.
I'd now like to turn the call over to Jerome for closing remarks.
Thank you Troy before opening the call up for Q&A I'd like to again Express my gratitude for the progress we've made as an organization and brought our students have been able to accomplish throughout the past year.
Like all great organizations, our response to the unprecedented challenges of the past year was to view this as an opportunity an opportunity to come out the other side stronger raising the bar on our already industry, leading outcomes and opportunity to accelerate innovation through our business, creating additional capacity.
And flexibility at a time when the demand for our services is growing and both importance and need and finally, an opportunity to begin to execute on our growth and diversification strategy as we position UTI for the future.
As I said, we feel the outlook for our business is bright.
And are very excited for what the future holds and we look forward to keeping the investment community updated on our strategy and initiatives and closing out the year with considerable momentum as we head into fiscal 2022.
I'd now like to turn the call over to the operator for Q&A operator.
Thank you we will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question you May Press Star then 1 on your Touchtone phone if youre using a speakerphone. Please pick up your handset before pressing on that Keith.
At this time, well pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
And the first question will come from Austin <unk> with Canaccord. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thanks for taking my questions.
Can you walk through the puts and takes on average revenue per student and what that should look like through fiscal 2022.
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Yeah, Hi, Austin destroy thanks for the question.
What we've said well what we showed this quarter and we had said coming into this quarter was we would see steady progression from earlier in the year 2.
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So we're on that right trajectory and that's what we're expecting as we exit the year to be essentially at that pre COVID-19 level.
I would expect FY 'twenty 2 when the longer term outlook that we provided would be operating at those levels. We typically baked in a little bit of our annual price increase or you see some nominal change and that we haven't factored in the variability or any variability I should say that might occur with the different mix of pro.
Grant from M I T.
But I think once we get closer to the closing of that transaction will provide.
Combined metrics on what they may look like.
Okay. Thank you.
On a 2 part advertising question. Firstly can you talk about how your localization efforts are going and secondly, when.
When do you typically begin to spend ahead of spend on marketing I Havent from new campus openings like you'll have in Austin in Miami.
Well I'll hit the second part first we are we can't market that the.
Campuses until we have all the appropriate approvals, we have begun marketing Austin.
Enrollment and in some light marketing I would say.
A good bit of way, obviously with the Q2 fiscal 'twenty to launch, but we are starting the efforts there and we'll be more aggressive in market as we get as we get closer to that but typically a few months out and after we get the approvals.
Jeremy you want to handle that yes.
Hey, Austin Jerome here.
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Marketing efforts are actually are going quite well and we see the signs of that in the movement of our local adult population and show rates.
Our show rates are favorable.
This year, 2 our expectations and.
A lot of that is attributed to less commuting, which is the aim of what we were looking at in this campaign.
Yeah.
Great. Thanks very much.
Sure.
The next question will come from Eric Martin Newsy with Lake Street. Please go ahead.
And just a clarification before my question Jerome in your prepared remarks, you talked about the MAA T acquisition closing by the end of calendar 2021 and then.
Troy you talked about at the end of fiscal 2021, we're still talking about October 1st close is that correct.
So we don't have a date certain.
We did a we're working we have no indication that we're not on track what we actually said the same thing, we say it slightly differently and debated whether or not we should do that but I said by the end of the fiscal year or early in fiscal 'twenty, 2 which by definition would be before the end of the calendar year, but as of right now we have no indications that it should it should linger.
Any longer than that but we don't have a day sir.
Okay.
Alright, and then shifting over to the channel I wanted to go a layer deeper on the new student starts terrific number there by the way for the entire.
For all channels up 39% new student starts you talked about 62%.
Just hoping to understand a little bit better I assume it has something to do with.
Although the.
The high school starts versus the.
Adult starts a year ago as opposed to 2021, but could you help me understand that 62% number for the adult.
Yeah. It is a reflection I mean, we've seen great strength by the way and in the adult channel throughout the year High School has been also very strong throughout the year and just this quarter adult had a had a larger uptick.
I think probably because Q3 is typically is not a heavy high school quarter. So last year the debt related to Covid was probably more in the adult sector, but overall again, we see good strength in adult and and expect to continue to see good strength there.
Okay.
And then lastly on the MAA key with this.
I know the transaction has yet to close but as far as your.
Your high school your.
Your high school outreach that Tom Mark if you have that.
The folks on the high school campuses in your as you reach out to them as they were already been interest in kind of programs beyond auto and diesel mechanic.
Scott.
So it was on the ground people.
Mark.
I guess interested in working with UTI.
We're doing all the planning that we can I mean, we are separate companies and until we close we are technically competitors you know we're in the same market in Houston.
So at this point in time, all we're doing is planning work Theres No cross pollination of any of our activities.
And to get to your question about high school entrance 1 of the reasons that you know.
Our first priority of our growth and diversification plan was to look for.
Our school like M E T that brought.
9 new programs into our into our family that we can then spread across our campuses as quickly as possible 1 of the 1 of the main reasons is just what you brought up there, which as you know are our high school reps talk to somewhere near a quarter million kids, a year and you know the.
Interest isn't always exclusively in the transportation and welding area, which is where we play right now and so we think we have a great opportunity to.
Take advantage of the interest that varies beyond transportation from.
From High School Kids M. E. T does not have a large high school presence in either Michigan. They have high school reps, who are really quite good but not a large high school presence in Michigan and Houston, nor do they have a relocation program in place the way we do we see.
The ability to leverage the relationships you already have in high schools with a broader <unk>.
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Got it thanks.
Sure Eric Thanks, Eric.
The next question will come from Raj Sharma with B Riley. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon guys.
Stellar numbers I had a couple of just questions on.
The tweaking starts of apples to apples comparison any different number of start dates last year to this year and does that impact 14 because on.
Are still sticking to the 10% to 15% student start growth just wanted to understand that a little better.
Yeah, Hi Raj.
On a much higher right.
Yeah, Yeah. It's a good question and I tried to touch on that a bit on my in my prepared remarks the the.
The start dates are apples to apples. So theres no differential on start dates that was last year versus the prior year.
We're on the same start cycle currently this quarter. The you know our guidance all along that we set at the beginning of the year, we knew that we would add stronger starts in the first.
Part of the year, particularly Q3, and then and then more normalized in Q4 and so we are still contemplating that we've seen some shift as I noted around high school very strong earlier in the year relative to prior even pre COVID-19 earlier in the year, a little bit less in the fourth quarter adult has been.
<unk> and growing in military has been consistent so you know at the end of the day, Yes, we will see a more normalized growth rate in the fourth quarter, but still a very strong year overall.
Great got it.
And then you know you just recently announced yesterday, you announced the Rancho Cucamonga Toyota Lexus program.
And that's that's a great way.
To address the labor shortage I was just wondering if theres any change you've seen in these programs in terms of the way the tuition is going to be.
On garnered any change in the mix of title for a corporate or is this sort of business as usual and what is the size of these programs debt.
What is the size of the program on the students.
Can you talk a little bit about that.
Yeah, So maybe I'll start in and draw may add some color commentary, but.
Toyota program, Yeah, we've had a longstanding relationship with Toyota.
As you noted launched it now and in Rancho Cucamonga campus, that's a student paid elective.
For us.
But it's a it's a great program debt and a lot of employer and industry engagement with those kind of programs that we afford we have.
Many other programs that are student paid electives and then of course, the manufacturer paid programs advanced programs, Mercedes and Porsche and BMW and the like.
We're not envisioning specifically around the student model any change there.
We constantly are looking at our partnerships and any tweaks or changes me, what we might want to make in them, whether it be a student versus a manufacturer paid or whether we continue a program or add a new program.
But generally speaking I'd say no no no change currently that we're thinking about there.
But we always think about are there other ways, we can expand our relationships from a BD perspective, with the manufacturers and that's part of our ongoing growth and diversification strategy.
Right.
Exactly what I was trying to get to is that there seems to be a really good level of demand from the employers and the way you are approaching this is.
Really great.
Getting involvement from both sides does that do you think it is good if the employers kind of step up in and also pay for it or that's not really.
That's important.
No.
For the employers to step in and painful tuition.
Well I mean, clearly we see I mean, most of the employer paid programs also come with some period of time of our loyalty agreement to go and work for that to go on work for that brand and there's a lot of variability between the 30, some OEM relationships that we have in terms of.
Where the support comes from and how they are and how they do that yeah, we obviously see higher employment rates in brand when the employer pays for it but.
This program launch was in response to a very strong dealer community that really wanted us to be.
Sure.
More strongly recommend it and again the difference between someone graduating with a core certification and then adding on a dealer program actually accelerates their ability to begin to do warranty work, which is where the dealers really make the money right and so and so therefore, we are.
We're monitoring every locale around our campus to see if we have an opportunity.
To put some of these major programs in place.
We're all as Troy said, we're always talking with both the dealer networks and the manufacturers around sponsorship and paying for the programs.
I think most of them right now are still working in a model of tuition reimbursement.
As we said, we've got over 4000 incentive and tuition reimbursement programs. So.
Most if not all of the Toyota dealers have some sort of a deal in place that if you finish the program income come to work for US we're going to be taken care of a large portion of your student debt as youre working here, so but haven't really not all of them have jumped over to the line to scholarships or sponsorships.
Right well this is Mike, but maybe you don't need to because there is enough of a pool.
Right that the employers actually doing enough to be there and say hey, we've got job down the road for you for sure.
Or there's a high likelihood that that happens.
And we've worked really really hard at it.
Illuminating what these incentive packages are to go to work for each of the employers and then also through our early employment program..1 of the things. We're doing basically is those who are participating actively by giving jobs and internships are getting earlier access to our students to bring them on in either part or full time capacity and thats.
<unk> starting to get people to compete with each other for our kids, which is really what we want because what we're interested in them getting good solid high paying jobs and the more of the employment community competes for them the better off they'll be.
Great well perfect great job guys. Thank you so much I'll take it offline.
Thanks Robert.
This concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to Jerome Grant for any closing remarks. Please go ahead Sir.
Thank you very much and thank you all for visiting with us today.
By way of closing remarks, all I want to say is that we pride ourselves on making ourselves available to the investment community as much as we possibly can.
We'd be happy to share deeper thoughts on the results from Q4, or Q3 Q4 and into next year.
If we have chance to talk together. So thanks, again and have a great rest of the afternoon Bye bye.
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation you may now disconnect.
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