Q2 2021 Ecovyst Inc Earnings Call

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Thank you welcome everyone and we are thrilled and have you join us for our first investor call as each of the well.

We the new trading ticker symbol of E. C V P.

We will start today with formal remarks, and blood gas and Jerry Yang Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike <unk>, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, then we will follow with a Q&A session.

Please note that some of the information share today is forward looking information about the company's results and plans are anticipated end use demand trends, including the impact of COVID-19, and our 2021financial outlook.

And the information that is subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results and the implementation of the company's plans to vary materially.

These risks are discussed and the company's filings with the SEC, including and the company's annual report on form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020.

Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures mentioned on today's call with their corresponding GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and presentation materials posted on the investors section of our new website of www dot equals the dotcom.

Of that I'm pleased to turn the call forgotten.

Thanks, and good morning, everyone.

And I'm very excited to be here and with you today.

And this week is very special for me.

Hey marks my 3 year on the.

So are you with the company.

The period during which we restructured our business has transformed our portfolio and.

Set the stage for executing a clear and well developed winning strategy.

This week has also been a momentous 1 for the company.

And we closed the sale of performance chemicals, and formally launched igo ahead of.

The pure play high growth catalyst and services company.

We have arrived at this net.

Total Jeremy Thanks for the strong team execution and the solid support of our customers on shareholder base.

Before I provide an update on the ecosystem and its strategy.

And cover the second quarter highlights.

Like to recognize and welcome Mike for an eco this new CFO.

He has been with the company for 15 years.

Sales, Mike crews, who decided to retire upon the completion of the transformation.

And we would like to thank Mike crews for his significant contributions over the last 6 years and bringing the company public and executing this transformation.

And I'll wish him well and his future endeavors.

With that I will now turn for the slide presentation.

Starting with slide 3 the provide a brief review of the now completed simpler and stronger PQ transformation strategy.

We closed on the sale of performance chemicals on August 1.2021.

With the net cash proceeds will reduce debt by approximately $525 million and planned another meaningful cash return for shareholders of $3.20 per share. This will bring our total cash return to shareholders the $5 per share and just take months time.

We have taken a balanced approach to capital allocation since the IPO in 2017, combining the proceeds from the sale of the 2 business segments.

Total assets monetization and strong free cash flow generation, we allocated approximately 1 quarter of for business reinvestment 1 quarter for dividends for the.

The balance of 1 half for debt reduction.

To summarize we started on the strategic path of transform pickier and from a strong foundation of for specialty businesses to be simpler and stronger portfolio.

With this final step of closing the sale of performance chemicals, we have succeeded and repositioning the company now known as eco best.

We believe that with significantly higher sales and adjusted EBITDA growth, coupled with leading margins and cash conversion rates peak of the compares favorably with specialty chemicals peers.

Well, that's the history behind us.

Let me turn for the outlook of each of US is growing and greening strategy and investment proposition.

Referring to slide 4.

He gave us submission.

And they used to be of catalyst for positive change through technology that will play a critical low and supporting ecological health.

We are committed to propelling the expansion and growth for our customers.

<unk> is the most focused Nimbler company.

2 industry, leading businesses chief of services and catalyst technology.

Formerly known as the refining services and catalyst respectively.

These businesses come and number 1 or 2 positions with their customers are core strengths include the track record of innovation and diverse portfolio of proprietary products and services and close collaboration with leading global players.

For the heck of the strategy.

Fundamental to our future is the fact that approximately 75% of our current and new sales already sold customer needs and consumer demand for more sustainable products and services.

Going forward, we are poised to focus primarily on enabling our customers with new novel solutions that meet the continued tightening standards for a cleaner economy.

Over the next 5 years, approximately 80% of our R&D projects pipeline and 90% of our R&D investment dollars will target, increasing sustainable products and solutions to accelerate our commercialization and growth initiatives.

With respect to our capital allocation objectives are for.

The audience for the use of free cash flows will continue to be opportunistic and balanced between debt reduction and bolt on complementary business acquisitions.

On the east of Us investment proposition.

We have to uniquely position and specialty businesses with specified proprietary technologies and strategically positions and networks.

This provides us with foundation to capitalize on meaningful opportunity set to grow with our customers as they shift with changing demand fundamentals.

Our competitive advantage enables us to secure long term contracts on favorable commercial terms, including minimum volume guarantees and cost pass through the drive high visibility of rigs.

<unk> revenues and in addition, we have a proven ability to flex our cost structure to deliver strong margins and a wide range of of economic environments.

Over the 5 years period from 2020 to 2025, we expect this portfolio to deliver compounded annual growth rates of high single digits for sales and double digits for adjusted EBITDA with mid to high 30% adjusted EBITDA margins.

This should lead to even on our cash flow conversion and the current strong level.

Now I'll discuss our 2 core businesses and the end use growth trends.

First on slide 5 for <unk>.

This business is poised to grow with multiple renal trends, including the shift to clean and efficient fuels electrification of sustainable industrial solutions.

Clean fuels represent our regeneration services, which are critical for our refinery alkylate production.

Have a non parallel north American network, particularly in the Gulf Coast region.

We're the largest calculate producers.

Demand continues to grow with an expectation of 4% compounded annual growth rate from 2020% of 2025 due to the continued favorable secular drivers.

These include increasing demand for premium fuels.

Following more fuel efficient engines addressing global low sulfur and other Reid vapor pressure fuel standards and meeting higher Gulf coast gasoline exports.

We also expect to benefit from the strong recovery and vehicle miles traveled is 2021 is projected to exceed 2019 levels.

The next for industrial applications the <unk>.

Market for specialty grade high purity Virgin sulfuric acid continues to rebound due to the global economic recovery.

More exciting is the rapid secular growth that we're seeing from increased mining activity.

Rising electrification and greening infrastructure of driving increased use for copper.

The race and lithium is on it.

For example, the copper content in the electric vehicles is estimated to be approximately 4 times net of an internal combustion engine vehicle.

The production of these metals and minerals requires large amounts of sulfuric acid and especially for the new mines and the southwest U S for our network and logistics management and this region are strategic for our customers.

Finally on waste treatment and catalyst activation.

Which firmly support the trend for sustainable solutions.

Treatment services will capitalize on the movement to increase waste recycling.

We have a unique ability to recover energy from waste and enable our customers to take advantage of waste exemptions.

Our offsite catalyst activation business and 32 provides the safer cleaner and lower cost solution to traditional and renewable fuel producers.

I would note that it is also benefiting from the proliferation of renewable diesel production, which almost exclusively utilizes offsite catalyst activation services.

Next on slide 6 for catalyst technologies.

We expect this business to continue its rapid growth driven by demand for customized technologies.

Our customers are increasingly working with us to develop new Carlos.

The accelerating sustainability trends for stronger and lighter polymers cleaner fuels and cleaner air.

Within clean fuels and air.

And the Eco services this business will benefit from increased and vehicle miles traveled which drives higher refinery utilization rates more recently and nearing 90% as the result, we expect hydrocracking catalyst change outs to increase as we enter the second half of 2021 and accelerate into 2022.

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This should drive double digit sales growth for our hydrocracking catalyst in 2022 over 2021 and.

In addition to the recovery of catalyst for traditional fuels. We're also seeing rapid demand growth for renewable fuel applications.

With regards to emission control catalyst for heavy duty diesel or H D D.

As Oems increase their production, we are seeing improved demand sequentially, and North America, and Europe, where we have the strongest customer positions.

Supply chain issues abate, we believe this segment will continue to recover in 2022.

With polymers, our polyethylene catalyst growth continues to outpace the overall related market.

This is attributed to our silica based proprietary technologies, which are specified by leading global producers for high density polyethylene or H D day.

<unk> is used for packaging and films, which we expect to exhibit continued strong growth from rising population trends and consumer focus on health and hygiene.

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In terms of sustainability transfer recycling, we believe that we have the competitive advantage over new entrants.

We not only have the technology to develop by relative catalysts for chemical recycling of mixed plastics.

But also the experience and credibility with customers to co develop and scale up their solutions.

We are and the demonstration phase of such catalyst and expect the development phase to follow.

Finally on niche custom catalysts.

Lower production and delayed R&D and capital projects during 2020 and 2021 impacted demand.

Recently, we have seen these projects with you and expect to have a strong recovery in 2022 with double digit growth and subsequent years.

In addition to the continued growth of our existing proprietary catalysts, we expect newer projects to focus on novel biochemical applications and metals recovery activities.

We believe this will diversify the segment in the manner that will provide consistent growth with attractive margins.

In summary for both of these businesses.

The economic recovery and secular market trends, coupled with our favorable customer positions are expected to drive growth and volumes with favorable pricing terms under long term customer contracts. As a result, we expect this will translate into accelerating growth and the second half of 2021 through 2010.

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Turning to slide 7.

I will now discuss our key focus areas for accelerating sustainability initiatives.

Our commitment to innovation is how we differentiate ourselves and the marketplace.

We are tailoring catalyst for the specific needs of our customers and supporting them in addressing the technical and operational challenges.

As I mentioned earlier with close collaboration with leading global companies, we have been long standing suppliers of sustainability products and services and.

Dressing tightening global regulatory standards and changing consumer preferences.

For example.

We continue to develop products that improve air quality through lower sulfur and Nox emissions and fuels.

We are focused on the development of catalyst that helped make plastic stronger and lighter, enabling the recycling of mixed plastics to complete the plastics circularity curve.

We also enable higher alkylation for improved fuel economy, and help transform biomass into biofuels and synthetic rubber for green tires.

With greater focus and resources ecosystem will expand and accelerate the commercialization of its portfolio of sustainable products by redirecting its R&D investment.

Our innovation investment ratio on new sustainable products has gone from 60% and 2015% to 80% in 2020, and we anticipate further advancement to 90% by 2025.

We will be targeting the pipeline of customer support and projects for clean air.

Ex circularity and renewable fuels and materials.

We see tremendous market opportunities and growth potential and these market areas.

And that essentially covers our eagle the strategy and businesses.

Now, let's shift to slide 8 for a review of the second quarter highlights.

Starting with safety.

With all of the portfolio activities. We had underway are leaders made sure. They remained focused continues to emphasize risk identification and mitigation and reinforcing the rigorous implementation of our processes.

Year to date, we maintained a solid safety record and posted over 90% perfect days, which is considered a top tier of achievements.

On the operations.

First our strategic and flexible manufacturing network, coupled with our team expertise were critical and navigating through the supply planning and logistical challenges faced by our catalyst customers.

Not only the this benefit us in terms of sales of this execution should also serve as well for the long term with these customers as they continue to seek certainty of supply.

Second we completed 3 facilities turnarounds on budget and in time for the anticipated strong seasonal summer demand and the third quarter for our regeneration services and Virgin sulfuric acid.

On the commercial front, our polyethylene catalyst sales growth continues to outperform the market given our proprietary technologies and services supply solutions. Further cash 32 has been successfully capturing sales growth from the renewable fuels market.

Our strategy, we have already largely discussed our execution on future positioning.

And ill just add that we completed the ecosystem refinancing for optimal payment terms to support our key element of our capital allocation, which is debt repayment.

Finally, our financials, we delivered solid performance and the second quarter and we are on the recovery phase from the impacts of the pandemic.

Sequentially quarterly sales rose, 16% adjusted EBITDA increased 25% with the 200 basis point margin improvement.

Primarily on higher regeneration services and polyethylene demand and.

We expect and even stronger second half with significant growth and both topline and earnings as demand growth continues and each of our end use markets.

Now I would like to turn the call to Mike to discuss our second quarter financial results and outlook.

Thank you Bill and good morning, everyone. It is my pleasure to speak with you today, because I'm excited to share the results of the successful second quarter with you.

Our second quarter results showed significant improvement from the first quarter with sales increasing 16% as we return to more normal levels post winter storm Uri and continue to see the overall economy rebound.

Refinery utilization has increased to approximately 90% compared to 80% and the first quarter almost back to 2019 levels.

Volume increases and favorable product mix contributed to the 25% adjusted EBITDA growth, despite higher plant turnaround cost incurred and the quarter.

Compared to the second quarter of last year sales had a similar story, increasing 15% driven by the higher volume and the pass through of higher sulfur costs and the eco services.

The major refineries, we service on now operating at higher utilization rates for <unk>.

Moving regeneration service demand.

And for our polyethylene and catalyst used and renewable fuels were strong and the quarter of customers and of our zeal is joint venture continued to defer orders for hydrocracking catalyst for the second half of the year.

Over the same period adjusted EBITDA increased 5%.

As the higher volume growth and eco services was offset by the higher plant turnaround cost and the lower volume and deal this joint venture.

Turning to <unk> on slide 10.

As discussed on the previous slide Eco services volume and the pass through of higher sulfur costs for the primary drivers for higher sales and adjusted EBIT and the quarter.

Compared to the first quarter, we saw a 20% increase and both regeneration services and Virgin sulfuric acid sales the increase and regeneration services was driven by refinery utilization as vehicle miles driven continues to increase with the economy returning to pre pandemic levels.

Virgin sulfuric acid sales increased primarily on $7 million of higher sulfur cost pass through of <unk>.

Volumes remained in line.

This was also the first quarter to fully enjoy the contributions of the <unk> 32 acquisition.

Adjusted EBITDA grew 23% compared to the first quarter as the higher regeneration services volumes contributed $12 million of the increase while the successful execution of 3 plant turnarounds, the $5 million and maintenance costs offset some of those gains and the quarter.

The second quarter represented the high point for plant turnarounds as we are only planning to more for the remainder of the year.

Comparing to the prior year sales have increased $30 million of 34% driven by the broader economic recovery.

Regeneration services volume represented half of the increase in volume and with sulfur prices steadily rising since the second quarter of last year the pass through impact from pricing contributed $10 million to the top line.

Adjusted EBITDA increased $5 million.

Our 16% primarily on the increased volumes, but also to the contributions from the <unk> 32 acquisition.

Margins and Eco services, however were impacted 320 basis points from the higher sulfur cost pass through as well as from the $5 million of plant turnaround costs.

On slide 11, you'll find our catalyst technologies segment.

<unk> continues to include the results of our silica catalyst business and our <unk> joint venture.

Compared to the first quarter, including our 50% share of the zeal this joint venture.

Sales and adjusted EBITDA increased 7% and 12% respectively.

Sales and our silica catalyst business were in line with the first quarter as double digit polyethylene sales growth continues to provide a strong base for our business.

This was offset by timing from our chemical catalyst sales due to a large methyl methacrylate orders shipped and the first quarter.

Sales and our zeal is joint venture increased 14% as demand for hydrocracking catalyst and emission control catalysts begin to recover while we continue to have strong sales into renewable fuels we.

We anticipate continued growth and fuels and emission controls as the year progresses.

Turning to the prior year comparison, both sales and adjusted EBIT declined compared to an exceptionally strong quarter last year the <unk>.

Long lead time for our products doesn't allow for quick changes.

So order deferrals related to the pandemic last year, primarily and the zealots joint venture didn't begin to impact our sales until the third quarter of 2020.

Our polyethylene growth and the quarter continues to outpace the market with significant increased demand compared to last year.

These sales offset a more concentrated first half and 2020 for chemical catalyst sales and and the Zelus joint venture sales were lower driven by a decline and hydrocracking and specialty catalyst.

Helping mitigate the decrease in the joint venture.

The high demand for our renewable fuel catalyst materials, which we do expect to continue into the second half of the year.

Moving to slide 12, and our outlook for the remainder of the year we.

We remain positive on both sales and adjusted EBITDA and Eco services, we expect to see improving utilization rates throughout the summer months barring a major weather event as we enter into the hurricane season and the golf.

We have seen a significant increase and sulfur prices and the first half of the year.

And anticipate sulfur prices will remain stable through the third quarter and begin to reduce and the fourth.

Given the higher sulfur cost pass through and sales we are raising our GAAP sales guidance by $10 million to between 565 and $575 million.

Adjusted EBITDA and the second half is expected to increase significantly over the first half driven by these higher sales. This.

This is primarily supported by the increase and hydrocracking catalyst sales as refiners begin to replace their catalyst beds that were deferred from earlier in the year.

We expect sequential quarterly adjusted EBITDA growth to continue with our third quarter EBITDA of 15% to 20% higher than our second quarter.

This would result, and a 25% 30% increase over the prior year third quarter, while remaining in line with our full year guidance of $215 million to $225 million.

Adjusted free cash flow guidance declined slightly to $60 million to $70 million due to the earlier than anticipated closing on the sale of performance chemicals, which occurred on August 1.

This also includes additional capital on our catalyst technologies business and related capital costs expected as part of the separation of the performance chemicals business.

And therefore, we're increasing our capital expenditure guidance by $10 million.

We continue to look for ways to reduce capital spend as necessary.

During the quarter ahead of the close of the sale of performance chemicals, we refinanced our debt with the new $900 million term loan at favorable interest rates.

We used the net proceeds from the sale to pay down the remaining legacy debt.

$526 million and have declared a $3 and <unk> 20 per share special dividend.

Both of which were at the high end of our targeted ranges.

With our strong expected cash generation for the second half of the year and continued focus on debt reduction we expect our net leverage to be in the mid 3 times by year end.

And with that I'll turn the call back to bulk gas and and I look forward to continue to work with you as we execute on our growth strategy.

Thank you Mike.

Now I would like to summarize on slide 13.

Each of the pivot to a pure play catalyst of services provider could not come at a better time.

We are benefiting from near term tailwind of the global economic recovery.

And the mid to long term sustainability, driven and secular trends that favor our specialty portfolio.

We are increasingly confident that our growing and greening strategy of industry, leading growth and prudent capital allocation will drive more shareholder value for the next decade.

In closing I would like to reiterate the following.

We are pleased with our year to date performance operationally financially and commercially.

With the economic recovery and gains from new markets. We are on track for a strong second half of the year to meet our 2021 financial objectives.

Positioning us for an even stronger 2020 true.

And with the launch of <unk>, we are now positioned to deliver on the strategy of rapidly grown our sustainability focus portfolio of products and services.

And achieved the 2025 growth targets.

Finally, we are proud of our progress so far and excited about our future of ecosystem.

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the whole team for reaching this milestone and writing a new chapter and the history of the company.

This concludes our formal remarks, we wish you and your families are safe and healthy summer.

With that we're now ready to take your questions.

And if you would like to ask a question you May press star 1 on your Touchtone phone and is that anytime and your question has been answered you may remove yourself with the power of key once again and that would start and 1 of you would like to ask a question and we will take our first question from David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank Deutsche Bank.

Thank you and good morning, just on the Q3 versus Q2 ramp and EBITDA can you give us little more color on the segment by segment ramp Youre expecting in the next this quarter. Thank you.

Hi, Dave.

We've always talked about the seasonal high.

Season, driving some of the time for eco services. So we can see.

The good ramp up and sales and obviously EBITDA and the effects and the third quarter from Eco services. We're also expecting the return and acceleration of some of the hydro cracker and sales in Q3 versus Q2, but it will accelerate even more in Q4 of those.

Really the main drivers for its a pure high top line high quality of top line Thats kind of generate nice margins and then on the third quarter.

Very good and you mentioned a little bit about kind of 32, how it has outperforming how is that of meeting your expectations and and how's the M&A pipeline going forward for you guys.

Well the first on <unk> 32, first we can't be more happy than than we are right now with the outcome of what we what we bought we bought a great company.

And interesting technology that has a huge potential going forward with the renewables is delivering exactly as we expected and more and we actually are very impressed with the.

With the business and we think it's going to be of good growth engine, Chris going forward.

On the M&A pipeline, we would love to do a few more of those Ken and 32.

As I noted before our capital allocation.

Asian sales going to be opportunistic between.

Paying debt debt of course, and lowering our leverage to the lowest possible level, but also creating and engine for inorganic growth as I said before we're going to target smaller opportunities good quality opportunities like the <unk> 32 that will not impact as much on leverage.

Create and increase in our EBITDA.

EBITDA and our growth and we will generate and opportunity for us to plant the seeds for some of the renewable technical opportunities and technologies for the future.

Thank you very much.

Youre welcome.

And we will take our next question from Andrew Costello with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Hi, Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on just if I could just expand on that last question.

In terms of.

I guess opportunistic for smaller opportunities similar to the country to with.

And that gives you the technology boost.

Curious, what youre seeing from evaluation perspective, or competitiveness of kind of.

The bidding process or within the pipeline that youre looking at.

And with any kind of the smaller deals.

Well on the mill remember I've been talking about us monitoring opportunities for inorganic growth for a while now and now that we have a little bit better flexibility and we're in a much better position of focusing on investments and really what matters. We do have.

Yes track of several.

<unk> and the catalyst business and several and the ecosystem business that will be not only just the business edition, but also as seed for the transformation of our overall portfolio thats going to take place over the next decade. So we're targeting technology, we're looking at technology seeds.

And we could develop and accelerate into the markets, we are targeting and looking at some.

Catalyst technology that could be.

Give us access to markets that we don't have today.

And you name it we're targeting volume increases and in some cases, where we want to make sure that we diversify our eco services portfolio, particularly and we're also remember we're also targeting some internal investment and growth from from capital utilization and 2 assets increase and all of that so all of that in the same.

Equation, we have our eyes.

On a couple of opportunities timing is always difficult but.

And when they show up.

And even tomorrow.

And as early as tomorrow, and they make sense, we will grab them.

Otherwise, we will keep lowering our leverage and <unk>.

And exactly what we said all along the strategy from a capital allocation to be.

That's very helpful. Thank you and then just on the catalyst technologies business.

And kind of like there's I guess part of what we're seeing and the second quarter as soldiers the lag of.

The fact of the differed.

Now for I guess, the hydrocracking the pearls from prior periods.

But it seems like Youre seeing kind of improvements in the media as we move forward here in line with what you previously expected. So curious could you update us on maybe how the.

What youre seeing from your customers and where you're seeing from orders and how that differs versus maybe where you.

And where you thought you were and kind of Q2, and what Youre seeing from a deferral of perspective is the move into Q3 and Q4 in terms of the discussions from our customers.

Okay.

Great question, and Angela I think and we said before as well that we have great visibility into the orders for our of hydrocracking catalyst business, particularly the.

And those orders visibility.

Ranges from 5 to 8 months and we do have visibility very clear visibility obviously on Q3.

And with certainty, we do have clear visibility until the end of the year and actually into Q1, and what we see as a nice ramp up and we expect actually Q4 to be very interesting peak in terms of growth versus the last couple of 3 quarters, but let me clarify 1 thing earlier that Mike mentioned about the delay of impact of hydrocracking and our volume.

As you noted last year when the market was slowing down we still had an amazing Q2, and hydrocracking and <unk> and catalyst and general because the the way the contracts are set we see the impact and the little bit of a delay the recovery is happening and we see it sooner so as soon as.

And we start getting those orders executed, which we have ready now with all of the turnarounds and maintenance that we've done we're going to see a nice ramp up Q3 into Q4 and hopefully throughout 2022. So we're very confident and excited actually about the return of hydrocracking and towards the end of the year and that is why our second half of the year.

He is going to shown amazing changeover of first half primarily from a hydrocracking and catalyst return and the second half and a strong Q3 for AG services.

Very helpful. Thank you.

Thank you Andrew.

And once again that the start and why and if you would like to ask the question.

And we will take we will take our next question from Alex <unk> with Keybanc. Your line is now open.

Thank you and good luck.

Everyone I think.

Your third quarter guidance of 15% to 20% sequential growth suggests that <unk> is flat to slightly up sequentially from the third quarter.

Is that correct and if.

If it is how are you thinking about seasonality.

Why wouldn't you see some negative seasonality in Q4 versus Q3.

Hi, Aleksey listen.

Typically we would see the slowdown in Q4. The this year is unique because the slowdown that would happen and equal services, which is typically we see and the third the fourth quarter is more than offset with the well we see the ramping up of the hydro cracking orders that are trying to catch up by the end of the year, it's probably going to be of flattish.

And to slightly up if we manage to get all the orders in the in December and particularly.

Within Q4, I think we're going to have probably 1 of the highest Q4 as we have had on NOI.

Facebook Awesome and could you talk about the current size and potential ramp in the renewable diesel.

The product demand that youre selling your opportunity in this area and maybe in 'twenty, 2 'twenty 3 and beyond.

Yes, we're very excited about our position with the renewable diesel galaxy.

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We are commercial with products already and our sales and renewable diesel remember the numbers are still small but more than doubled.

And the last quarter and this quarter versus the previous 1 and we anticipate additional growth and renewable diesel from the technology that is commercial we also working very diligently on.

Some additional new technology of modified custom fit for some specific customers that will kick in a lot sooner than that.

And then we would think in terms of giving us the opportunity to capture more market the.

Overall renewable growth demand is as high as 20% to 30% right now as we see it and the next few years and we're writing of very nice wave of growth due to our early entrants and our commercial products and place.

Thanks Bill.

Thank you.

We have no further questions in the queue. At this time. This does conclude the equals the second quarter 2021.

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