Q2 2021 Altair Engineering Inc Earnings Call

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Good afternoon, welcome and thank you for attending all Sears or and his conference call and the second quarter of 2021 and.

And the June 30th 2021 and.

And Dave Simon Chief administrative officer of Altair, and with me on the caller gyms, Gapper founder Chairman and C E O.

And Matt Brown, Chief Financial Officer and.

Margaret closed today, we issued a press release with details regarding our second quarter performance and guidance for the third quarter and a full year 2021.

Which can be accessed on the Investor Relations section of our web site at Investor Dot Altair Dot com.

This call is being recorded and and replay will be available on the I R section of our web site on.

And the conclusion of this call.

During today's call, we will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward looking under federal securities laws.

These statements reflect their views only as of today and should not be considered representative of our views of any subsequent day.

We disclaim any obligation to update any forward looking statements and were outlook.

These statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from our expectation.

These risks for Sunrise and the price release, it we issued earlier today.

For further discussion of the material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results.

Please refer to those campaign and our quarterly and annual reports filed with the S. E C. As well as other documents that we have filed or may file from time to time.

Software product revenue for the first half of 2021 continued a strong positive trend at 85% of total revenue compared to 83% during the first half of 2020.

Our recurring software license rate remains high at 90% for the second quarter of 2021, and 92% year to date.

We held an investor day on May 27, and many of the questions were framed around understanding altair as growth drivers and opportunities for expansion.

This is in fact, the combination of verticals technologies and regional success.

And I would like to spend some time talking about wins from the second quarter related to each.

And architecture engineering, and construction or the AUC vertical or.

Our second quarter wins included the addition of a new customer logo listed as 1 of the top 10 global design firms.

We continue to build our customer base and align with the need for performance based outcomes and sustainable infrastructure development.

Our new logos and expansion and aerospace for the quarter included. The addition of our newly spun out airplane manufacturer and a 6 figure expansion representing almost a 3 ex usage increase at an existing client.

The automotive sector continues to develop significant opportunities, especially related to electrification communications analytics and computer.

The banking financial services and insurance or BSI vertical continues to show strong performance, including a steady stream of data analytics customers embracing units based licensing.

Our second quarter wins included new logos 6 figure deals under units based licensing and some key direct wins against data analytics software competitors.

And consumer products, 1 recent and interesting application involved a food manufacturer leveraging thin film farming simulation.

Health care saw on number of wins and the second quarter, including a new logo win based on developing prosthetics using 3 D printing.

Technology.

And and expansion from an existing medical products customer specifically targeted at data analytics for their engineering applications.

And Motorsports, we had several expansions and new customers, including 1 agreement to improve safety and performance leveraging our data science technology and expertise.

Couple years, both organically and by acquisition.

And build out what we believe is the broadest and deepest portfolio of computational fluid dynamics solutions.

Covering a wide array of applications.

With the latest announcements of our Altair CFT software, we are well positioned and focused to grow our share and the very large and rapidly growing cft's emulation market.

Altair CFT deliver sophisticated technology for fluid and thermal systems modeling general purpose multi physics simulation ex.

Internal aerodynamics discrete element modeling and smoothed particle hydro dynamics.

Cost effectively and under a single license.

Several of these products have embedded optimization and machine learning algorithms and often work in concert co simulating with other technologies to deliver deep insights and clear design direction for difficult to understand and project physical behavior.

We believe Altair as a leader and manufacturing simulation with a broad portfolio of key products and technologies, many of which have CFT at their core.

Including casting moulding extrusion, combing, forming and additive manufacturing on.

And consideration and integration of manufacturing simulations with design optimization is critical for customers to make key product decisions on this fast changing market.

CFT had some outstanding Q2 successes and applications such as sporting goods build on design and electric vehicles.

7 and figure revenue to Altair top line.

Applications include electronic systems design Circuit Board simulation and 10, a placement radar cross section autonomous driving connectivity and electric drive system development.

Altair, 1 as a cloud portal for Altair as products accessible anywhere it'd be a standard workstations, Pcs laptops and mobile devices.

Users can launch applications and the cloud from a single interface with easy access to resources that are on premises or in the cloud.

Product teams can increase collaboration by securely uploading accessing storing and managing data use all of the Altair 1 drive.

Altair, 1 does not require additional capital expenditures on complex I T and can scale immediately and response to peaks and workload.

It also and powers users to provision turnkey scalable appliance clusters across all major cloud providers, including a W. S Azure Oracle cloud infrastructure and boom.

Google Cloud platform.

And finally Altair enter the high performance or HBC market on HBC shifted from specialized computers to commodity cluster servers and the early 2 thousands.

And 2003, we spun the PBS team out of NASA.

And 2017, we acquired runtime to focus on the electronics market with specialized solutions for high throughput work workflows.

And 2020, we acquired a lexus to bring and technology for Io and storage profiling.

Develop storage or of scheduling.

And we acquired grin and general with a strong position and life science on the top tier technical team.

H P. C continues to mature as a business and had a strong second quarter for Altair.

With 7 figure multiyear with a 7 figure multi year agreement, Inc. With 1 of the world's largest cloud technology comfort levels.

Altair position on an H P. C has become increasingly powerful reflected on the growing confidence of our sales team and.

And they're robust pipeline of opportunities we say.

On strength of Altair has always been a robust regional diversification.

Ah rebels and people have been distributed very evenly across the Americas may on on a pack as well as between countries on these superregionals.

This is and especially important year on the path of this of the 20 year anniversary of our founding and Altair China.

And Altair Korea on the 25th anniversary of Altair Japan's formation.

And Richard is focused on other professional endeavors.

The 3 of them were magnificent sources of support and inspiration through our IPO process and over the last several years.

Q2 was strong and we remain cautiously optimistic for the balance of the year.

New variants and COVID-19 disappointing vaccination rates in some locations and are generally long process to fully shake off the pandemic globally have the potential of curbing, what should otherwise be a vibrant economic environment.

However, as our customers and invest to drive more innovation and to their products and services, we are confident and our ability to be a differentiating asset for them.

Now I will turn the call over to Matt to provide more details on our financial performance and our guidance for the third quarter and remainder of 2021.

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Thank you, Jim and Hello, and welcome to everyone on the call.

We're very excited about our second quarter 2021 results, which set a record for highest revenue and EBITDA for any second quarter and the Companys history.

The strong opportunity pipeline and momentum we've seen and the last few quarters carried through to Q2 'twenty 1.

Once again generating results above the high end of the range on every metric we guided to for the quarter.

Total billings for the quarter were $117.8 million and increase of 19, 1% compared to Q2.2020.

And as with last quarter, our software billings strength relative to prior year was driven by solid new and expansion opportunities and high retention on our renewal base <unk>.

Again, we saw broad success across all 3 geographic regions.

And across our product offerings.

I continue to be delighted with the diverse usage and range of applications for our solutions.

As Jim highlighted just this quarter, we saw customers acquiring our software across a wide range of verticals for use and anything from building design to health care to food design to Motorsports and aerospace and further we saw success and all 3 core competencies stimulation.

Each PC and data analytics.

As expected, we saw services and other billings and stabilize in the second quarter as we've now anniversaried. The start of the COVID-19 impact, which began impacting services and other revenue in the second quarter last year.

All told the strength and billings resulted and software product and total revenue exceeding our expectations for the second quarter.

Software product revenue was $99.6 million or an increase of 21, 7% compared to Q2.2020.

Total revenue, which include services and other revenue was $119.9 million or an increase of 21, 7% compared to Q2.2020.

Our recurring software license rate, which is the percentage of software product billings that are recurring continues to be strong at approximately 92% year to date.

As a reminder, a significant portion of our revenues are billed and currencies other than the U S. Dollar and are therefore impacted by changes in FX rates.

Relative to Q2, 2020, our revenues were favorably impacted by changes in FX rates of approximately $3.7 million during the quarter.

Non-GAAP gross margin, which excludes stock based compensation and restructuring expense was 74, 5% in the second quarter relatively flat to the second quarter of 2020, as our software revenue mix, which carries higher gross margin was consistent with the prior year.

Software revenue was 83% of total revenue in both Q2.2021 and the year ago period.

This is in line with our expectations for the quarter as we expected to see a rebound and services and other revenue in Q2.2021 compared to Q2.2020, keeping pace with the gains we saw and software product revenue.

Over the long term, we continue to expect a general mix shift towards software product revenue as growth there will outpace services and other revenue.

Non-GAAP operating expenses, which exclude stock based compensation amortization of intangible assets and restructuring charges were $80.9 million compared to $69.5 million in the year ago period.

As a reminder, operating expenses in Q2, and Q3 of last year were impacted by COVID-19, as a result of temporary salary reductions and significantly reduced marketing and travel costs.

In Q2, 2021, we saw increased marketing and travel activities, representing some returned to normal compared to the prior year.

And overall non-GAAP operating expenses were in line with our expectation.

Adjusted EBITDA was $9.5 million or 7.9% of total revenue in Q2, 2021 and increase of 65, 2% compared to Q2.2020.

This increase compared to the prior year quarter as well as relative to our expectations was driven by the increase in revenue and the quarter combined with our disciplined spending.

We are executing on our strategy of expanding EBITDA margins by scaling into our top line revenue growth and the second quarter was another positive step in that direction.

Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $260 million and cash and cash equivalents and increase of almost $17 million from the prior quarter.

The quarter over quarter increase reflects strong free cash flow during the quarter of $15.8 million compared to free cash flow of $4.5 million and Q2, 2020.

As a reminder, our cash flow throughout the year are seasonal in nature, typically with Q1 being our most significant cash flow quarter, followed by Q2.

We are very pleased with our cash flow generation and Q2, which was driven by collections on strong Q1 and Q2 billings.

At 10, 2%, reflecting our increased software revenue guidance.

The $7 million increase at the midpoint on the full year revenue guidance from last quarter reflects our over achievement and Q2.2021, while maintaining our view for the second half of 2021.

Overall, we're encouraged by our customer demand and pipeline of opportunities we see in the second half.

From a cost perspective, we've been successful and our disciplined approach to spending and expect to continue that approach and the second half.

That said, we will continue to invest heavily and product development and we expect to increase marketing and sales related travel expenses and the second half compared to the first half of 'twenty 'twenty 1.

For Q3, 2021, we expect adjusted EBITDA in the range of $2 million to $4 million or 1.8 to 3.5% of total revenue compared to $8.2 million or 7.7% of total revenue and the year ago period.

And for full year 2021, we are raising our adjusted EBITDA range to $63 million to $68 million or 12.3 to 13, 1% of total revenue compared to $57.3 million or 12, 2% of total revenue in 2020.

We are also raising our full year 2021 free cash flow guidance to a range of $34 million to $39 million.

As a reminder, our cash flow expectations are sensitive to billings and collection patterns, which fluctuate seasonally.

In particular, our historical pattern has shown free cash inflow in the first half of the year, primarily from collections on billings from Q4 and Q1 and.

And a smaller free cash outflow in the second half of the year.

We're expecting that pattern to continue in 2020.1.

We've provided detailed guidance tables, and our earnings press release, including reconciliations to comparable GAAP amounts, which was issued after close of market today.

This was another great quarter for Altair, we're executing on our mission to transform enterprise decision, making by offering products and technology that delight our customers with.

With that we'd be happy to take your questions operator.

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Our first question or comment comes from the line of Bob and Suri from William Blair. Your line is open.

Hey, John Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the.

Great software growth numbers, so nice nicely done there.

I guess my question for maybe both of you and love to get an update on the adoption and migration within the current installed base GA updated unit model and sort of any use cases, you can point around strong upsell or towards the launch and suites ability to.

Target that left technical design engineer and once it gets and sort of some color on how those are playing out.

Nice to hear your voice I have to confess I didn't quite hear the question on Mt.

Sorry.

Okay. It was just the update you've got to sort of a new updated unit model how is that playing out within the current installed base.

And then any sort of early use cases, you might point out just sort of how that.

Lower tiered suite are starting to target the less technical user.

And the attraction to us and how the pipeline and how our customers don't yet.

Yes so.

In general.

The customers.

It's producing conversations with with.

With all of our enterprise customers, which are mostly good conversations.

Basically getting the customers to understand what they have what the value is that they have and it's generally translating into into more revenue frankly.

At the lower and it's still a bit early but I think.

I think it's also being well received and and customers are.

They are appreciative of the flexibility that they are saying so I think it's you see our numbers are gross numbers and I think it's just reflective there, yes, and maybe maybe 1 thing I'll add to us at this point.

Roughly 3 quarters of our customers are now on Altair units and and.

And based on that trajectory, we expect that over the next quarter. So the rest of those will convert over so it's still very smooth on the conversion and everything is going according to plan and.

And I think on my prepared remarks talked about how the data analytics customers.

Our are embracing it as well and most importantly, I know this may sound crazy, but the sales guys on the.

Data analytics side are embracing it too.

Which was not the case 2 years ago.

So a really big changes.

Yes, those are all really really good on clients certainly the sales guys and breaking the model and the customers.

Sort of transition is it's great to hear the other thing Jim we've been hearing from auto manufacturers and even like.

The suppliers like continental or something is and everyone's really focus on EV. So no surprise there, but most of them are long term targets and people think and 23 or beyond and.

But to me that requires positioning and planning and designing today from a stimulation perspective and I'd like to understand like are you seeing that and is that actually going to be a driver of revenue growth is it a driver and we go through and I suspect it is but like how material is that whole shift towards EV.

That the suppliers the park, guys and the Oems and I'd love to us on getting a little color on that.

And I think I think it's a very material and if you look at our growth automotive as is.

And is pretty robust.

For the first half of the year.

And I think it's because all of these all of these companies are investing so much.

So we always talk about automotive is a large percentage of our business, but it also was quite robust growth on the first half on a year.

Even on top of the large.

A large amount of volume.

Got it got it thanks, John Thanks, Matt and again great numbers. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Jackson Ader from Jpmorgan. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions guys.

And just.

I'm curious you know when you're talking about the <unk> customer.

And.

Pretty big Global design firm.

And typically we don't think guidance.

And design and AUC being really Altair spread and what are you just mentioned automotive and and maybe more complex stimulations being.

Your typical strength so I'm just curious what led to this particular win.

And was this win part of a sweet deal like and AE AUC suite sales.

John.

So until now there is no AE C suite, but it may surprise you to know that we have a lot of AAC customer for us.

Most of our famous.

Architectural engineering companies.

I could name some but I'm not sure I showed at this moment.

Are customers of Altair.

They were initially introduced through the optimization technology that we bring some many of the most beautiful elegant.

Complex tall towers are designed using our technology.

Using the structural optimization and just simply the structural analysis tools.

But we do see a lot of opportunity and AUC.

And we have.

Created some solutions.

For them.

And so many on my team Who's Phds and as and architectural engineering for probably 15 years now and he is been guiding us and pushing us to do more and more on that direction.

And so we worked with a lot of really key customers. There. So it's not just sort of a bluebird that came on and this is something that we've consistently been and going after.

Okay.

And then a follow up.

Looking at the the non software revenue for the rest of the year and what.

But what type of impact and given that that's mostly services and people, possibly having to travel.

And what type of impact.

Are you forecasting for the Delta variants to net and that non software revenue for the rest of the year.

What's the impact from the Delta variant of and I'd say.

Yes, just for sure.

Or are you actually right, yes, what are you actually factor in line if any.

That's fair.

Sure last year, we saw a large drop and and services revenue.

Which came.

With with with the impact of the pandemic and all of that.

This year and not the case.

We are seeing.

So come back and that business you can see that on the numbers probably.

And.

I would expect that that's going to continue for the rest of this year. So.

It's still below where we were and like in 2019, but above where we were in 2020 and I think thats going to remain.

And consistent actually.

Staffing business.

CES business.

<unk> is as impacted.

And by that is just the fact that.

And.

And there is there is.

There's a lot of hiring going on everywhere.

Big Battle for people and.

Yeah.

And that's more than anything that's the challenge on that business.

2.

And to keep that business growing.

Just a lot of challenge for quality people.

Okay alright, thank you.

Yes.

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Mark <unk> from Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open.

Mr. Kelly you may be on mute your phone.

Hey, guys, sorry about that.

Thanks for taking my question.

So really interesting comments around the data analytics business.

And.

Probably the competitor you guys are speaking about they mentioned that they're seeing.

Prolonging churn on their sales employee base.

I was wondering if that's something you guys are benefiting from and regards to your own hiring and recruiting efforts.

And I don't think I want to speak specifically about any any 1 company.

But but.

Thank.

Right.

Our business seems to be relatively healthy and.

I think I think business is spiral up and spiral down and they might might be.

And they probably have some of these companies have hit a rough spot and sales guys have a tendency.

And to run a little quickly.

When they see that kind of situation.

I can't really speak to what Theyre doing.

And we're certainly recruiting and a lot of different places.

And again and then just 1 follow up.

And then can you describe some of the I guess, what's driving some of the success, you're seeing and different verticals outside of your core verticals is it something you've changed with how you're structuring your sales organization and or is there something more broadly are doing and.

And that'll be it thank you.

Sure no. Thank you I mean, we've talked a lot about.

Sort of mechanized our sales machine, if you will and and.

And the.

Wholesales motion and I think has upgraded our sales and marketing.

Motion and all.

Sure.

And I think we're benefiting from that I think we're benefiting from a lot more.

Training and.

And structure of the sales team and in general the sales team is selling the entire portfolio.

Opposed to.

Maybe a tenancy earlier too to sell specific products or solutions and I think that's really a key differentiator now for us.

Thank you.

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Gal Munda from Wehrenberg. Your line is open.

Hey, Thanks for taking my questions.

First 1.

And just be around the solid performance in Q2, and maybe if you could just help us understand.

Bye.

By product area, how those assets.

Hum.

Bye bye bye nominal values, but more kind of the.

And the script.

And if you could kind of stock price between the recourse simulation versus the data analytics piece versus the high performance computing. The way you kind of thinking about the growth when you think about.

Good day.

Yes, I mean the numbers across.

Stimulation.

Actually the numbers across HBC simulation and data analytics are all pretty robust and actually so far first half of the year.

And.

We're feeling we're feeling really positive kind of running on all cylinders. I mean, there is a reality for all all of US. The Q2 last year was was.

A little bit of a weaker year, but if you look across all of H, 1 and I think we've we've really been running pretty strong and.

And we're feeling feeling very very positive about pipelines and all that.

Yes, I think all the products are hitting it very nicely.

The electronics products are really coming into their own it's a little early for us promoting the cfd technologies.

We're starting to feel good about about our offering there and.

Some of these tools are starting to mature we have.

And some evaluations from some of the top automotive companies and.

And Asia.

Telling us that our solutions are more accurate.

And some of the more established tools.

But.

We're.

And we're generally seeing a pretty broad based success here.

That's very helpful. And then maybe as a follow up we talked about.

And call it a little bit over the last few quarters, you've started highlighting it and I was just wondering if you think about this and solid skills away and today is.

And at what stage do you think it actually becomes a material contributor to the growth and good business.

Before and things with the in terms of the dollar value.

But as you see adoption you mentioned, the chairman and OEM testing and a couple of quarter I think it was and.

Randy.

Maybe 1 day contracts.

Progressing on them too.

And the age is becoming material to the growth of the business.

I think some solids already material until the growth of the business.

I mean.

And it's.

I haven't looked recently at the number of companies that are using it but it's substantial.

So if it's if it's.

And I don't know what the number is but it is very substantial and.

We.

We are seeing very high usage numbers for some solid so so it's already.

Kind of contributing meaningfully for sure.

Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks, Tim.

Thank you John.

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Matt Hedberg from RBC capital markets. Your line is open.

Hey, it's Dan Bergstrom from Matt Hedberg, Thanks for taking our questions. So just curious did you talk to the deal pipeline for the remainder of 'twenty..1 here. It seems like the last several quarters speak to its strength.

With deals coming out of this quarter into the first quarter and then this quarter it and nice upside so how's the pipeline looking over the second half.

On to answer this 1.

I think the pipeline is.

We're feeling pretty good about and and if you kind of if you go back to.

Beginning of the year guide, where we had guided total revenue at the midpoint.

506 and.

And then took that up last quarter a bit and now.

Took it up to 5 away and now we've moved it from 5 to $5.15.

At the midpoint that that really speaks.

Speaks to the confidence that we have as we move through the year.

And we've had like <unk> like you mentioned, we've had really good success.

And the first half and we feel good about the second half, we continue to be and reaffirmed and and our outlook and.

And as we go throughout the year and we continue to build on the success and so pipeline looks good and we feel confident.

And we're of course, keeping our eye on Delta variant and spikes and larger macroeconomic like everybody is but.

At this point.

Willing cautiously optimistic about the second half.

Great. Thanks.

Thank you.

Next question or comment comes from the line of Mark Chappell from benchmark. Your line is open.

Hi, good evening nice job on the quarter. Thank you for taking my question.

Jim I'd like to dig a little bit deeper into your expanded CFT.

CFT capabilities that were referred to on your prepared remarks.

Your intent to focus.

Cfe CFT sales efforts and your core kind of customer base, principally automotive and aerospace.

Or do you plan to direct that more toward towards process industries, such as chemicals or oil and gas.

It's probably more and the traditional core market, but it's really across everything.

And our CFT is not like structures CFT.

And it has a variety of different problems and you solve and you have a variety of different types of technologies, if you will to solve them and.

So we really have spent years pulling together and what we think is a solutions.

And can solve all of these different problems and we.

We also have to build all the modeling and visualization.

Elements that go along with that so were some parts of that solution set or less mature.

External aerodynamics, we're still working on it but it's coming really fast.

And we have a lot on a lot of customers very excited about it.

For some other areas, it's more mature than that so.

And so I mean, it's broad based for us, we're selling and CFT to every customer.

But but we see it going going especially into the car.

Great. Thank you and then just building on the earlier question on some solid how much of some solid do you see being sold for use cases and upfront design rather than say more traditional engineering simulation use cases.

The vast majority on how some saw and is used is more for the upfront design for sure and that is how we have targeted that's that's how we have.

And.

That's where the solutions sweet spot is if you will.

John.

For the more traditional stuff.

And just dropped into some extent radios.

Really the Goto solutions there.

Thank you.

Sure. Thank you.

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Our next question or comment comes from the line of Blair Abernathy from Rosenblatt Securities. Your line is open.

Thank you nice quarter guys.

Just wondering Jim if you can.

Give us a little color into how things are going with smart works realize it's only been.

A short period of time that as you've kind of been and the market with it but I just want to understand sort of how you are taking it to market and where you're seeing some.

Subtraction from that product.

Yes so.

Smart works sort of has 2 halves to it right now they're all it is coming together, so there's sort of a smart works Iot and then the smart works analytics.

The analytics as they're both relatively new and.

And they are both coming together, but.

Both of them have.

I have some some lead customers, we're getting a lot of really really good feedback on smaller ex analytics now seems to be very very positive.

And I think we're really focused on developing the solutions that.

Customers are telling us that we need to add the.

Total piece has got a lot of interest.

But.

And I'd say, it's a little bit earlier.

And we're getting a lot of traction at this point, we do have customers, who are who are using it and integrating it.

But I.

I would say it's still early.

These are horizons and 3 things to me.

Yes.

And on that on the analytics side.

In particular sort of verticals any particular verticals that you would say we are kind of more interested in it or just kind of where you're seeing net interest.

And without any names.

It's mostly in the and the traditional core customers that we have for analytics, which is more on BFS hi.

But we're certainly engaging with customers on the engineering side as well.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Sure.

Thank you I'm showing no additional questions in the queue at this time I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing comments.

Okay. Thanks to everybody for your interest.

Appreciate you all on tuning in and thanks to my team for another great quarter.

We're having a lot of fun here on Altair is.

We're hitting these big big growth numbers. So thank you all.

Thanks, everybody.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating on today's conference. This concludes the program you may now disconnect everyone have a wonderful day.

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