Q4 2021 Unifi Inc Earnings Call

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Good day and thank you for standing by welcome to the Unifi fourth quarter fiscal 2021 conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode.

After the Speakers' presentation there'll be a question and answer session to ask a question. During the session you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded if you require any further assistance. Please press star zero I would now like to hand, the conference over to your speaker today, a J Edgar please.

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Thank you Donna and good morning, everyone on the call today is al Carey Executive Chairman, Eddie Ingle, Chief Executive Officer, and Craig <unk>, Chief Financial Officer. During this call management will be referencing a webcast presentation that can be found at unified dot com and by clicking the conference call link.

Management advises you that certain statements included in today's call will be forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal Securities laws.

Fiscal year in a very good position.

To provide you with 3 important trends that are emerging for our business for 2022. The first 1 is environmental sustainability will be a driving force in our business.

On Repreve sales were up 30% for the quarter now that's a bit of a funny comparison with the pandemic, but it's up 16% versus 2019 quarter and the product hang tags are up 60% and we continue to see our customers taking aggressive actions that are going to allow them to achieve their 2020.

Sustainability goals for apparel and this bodes very well for Repreve.

The second thing that's an emerging trend is that our regional focus is working on 3 regional businesses, North America Asia, and Brazil are quite different and we have tactics and strategies that are different in each of those and are beginning to show promise North America profitability is very definitely improving and this is going to continue to be a big priority for us.

Going forward.

<unk> had an all time record revenue performance in Q4, and they show signs of full recovery from the pandemic and we're forecasting a strong growth for Asia in 2022, and then finally, Brazil had an excellent year.

They over delivered Q4 and they also.

<unk> started selling repreve and while the sales are minimal at this point, we believe that the consumer in Brazil has an appetite for sustainable apparel and this could be a very big positive for the future of our Brazil business.

Now on a final item I wanted to mention is that we are increasing our capital investment over the next 3 years. So that we can outfit our plants with the first new yarn texturing innovation since the mid nineties.

We've mentioned it before but the equipment is called Evo cooler text.

Texturing machines from our supplier Oerlikon, which has really great potential.

And we're going to be able to see significant efficiencies and productivity and energy consumption and operator safety and Eddie is going to tell you more about it in a few minutes. However, this investment will make us more profitable.

Give us more plant capacity and it's going to allow us to be more competitive against import prices in our business.

So all in all a very good quarter I'm proud of the organization as they manage through the pandemic I believe they have shown resiliency and also agility and I'd say that we're a better organization.

Than we were pre pandemic, so that gives us some optimism as we enter 2022.

Now, let me turn the meeting over to Eddie Ingle, our CEO and he'll take you through the highlights of the quarter. Thank you.

Thanks Al and good morning, everyone as Alan pointed out we are pleased with our performance during the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021.

And as the number of share we built on the momentum from Q3 to deliver a better than previously forecasted fourth quarter strength across all segments resulted in fourth consecutive sequential increase in quoting net sales.

Right now COVID-19 continues to be an obstacle that we have to pay attention to however.

However, our current momentum is setting us up to be able to deliver on our fiscal 2022 targets.

Before I speak to the quarter I want to take a moment to setup at unifi and the great people that represent our company.

This year marks our company's 15th year anniversary and I could not be prouder of what unifi employees have accomplished to wrap those 50 years.

I want to thank our employees past and present for their dedication to the business and I am grateful to be surrounded and supported by such a talented team.

Now when I rejoined unifi, a year ago I was clear that the cornerstones of unifi as future growth where sustainability to.

I stand by that comment and our innovation culture will enable us to expand into additional end markets and grow the exposure in leadership position of reprieve.

Unifi remains well positioned to be the partner of choice for global brands seeking to meet their sustainability targets in a transparent trusted and traceable fashion.

Now for the quarter.

Slide 3 shows an overview of our performance during the period.

The business performed above expectations for the fourth quarter on further reflected the resilience of our global business model.

Quarterly revenues were up over 100% year over year and up 3% when compared to both fiscal 2019 fourth quarter or fiscal 2021 third quarter.

Performance in Q4 was underpinned by strength across all segments, particularly though Asia and Brazil.

Once again, Brazil outperformed with strong pricing driving its gross margin above 30% compensating somewhat from the lower volumes due to local lockdowns within their market.

Asia also had another strong quarter and achieved its highest quarterly sales volume on record.

Lastly, the polyester segment recovered further as demand in the U S continues to normalize. This strong segment performance was against a backdrop of upward pressure from raw material and other cost increases that we reacted too as we move through the quarter.

On the subject of costs nearly every business is seeing the impact of inflationary pressures, especially in North America, where volatility in labor freight and other infosys testing resolve on many companies including ourselves at Unifi.

In the U S. Automotive demand has been impacted by global semiconductor shortages, which trickles down to automotive fabric production on of course, you on demand.

However, this phenomenon has been offset by strong recovery momentum in other end markets.

We are pleased with the results of the polyester segment in light of all the difficult dynamics facing manufacturers today, our conversations with customers remain positive and forward looking as we all work together to mitigate the temporary impacts of inflation.

Turning to the supply chain in the U S raw material costs during the quarter operating efficiencies and focused execution, partially offset inflationary pressures, particularly for recycled raw material inputs.

For example from January to June 2021, our input cost to produce recycled plastic bottle flake increased significantly and well above the increases in various inputs.

While these recent increases are expected to pressure. The September 2021 quarter, we are focused on pricing actions to mitigate the impacts on our margins.

As we look forward, we remain committed to managing our price cost relationship.

<unk> been actively engaged with customers to ensure the appropriate selling price adjustments are in place to offset rising raw material costs for recycled on other inputs.

While we anticipate some short term margin pressure, we are confidence in our underlying business momentum and responsiveness to addressing these cost headwinds.

Turning back to review the consolidated business on.

Our adjusted EBITDA performance was positive and above forecast in Q1, increasing.

Net increasing significantly from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2019, which as you know was not impacted by the pandemic like fiscal 2021.

Our financial health remains a top priority and that emphasis can be seen by the progress. We've made to further strength in what was already a very strong balance sheet.

As demonstrated by the 2 bolt on transactions, we completed in fiscal 2021, our balance sheet serves as a catalyst for future growth opportunities that we see as profitable and value adds.

During last quarter's conference call I shared that our ongoing trade petitions involving textured polyester yarns, we're continuing to progress.

In May 2021, the U S Department of Commerce announced preliminary duty rates against 4 countries.

Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam.

Investigations should completed by January 2022, and are expected to provide benefits to sales volumes and resulting cost absorption for the polyester segment for an extended time period thereafter.

As seen on slide 4 the.

The demand for our Repreve branded fiber continues to grow.

Driving 38% of net sales in fourth quarter this year.

For fiscal 2021, we shipped nearly 97 million repreve hang tags, a year year over year increase of 60%.

So moving to Brant updates we have several exciting highlights on this includes Ralph Lauren announced a sustainable offering as the official outfitter of team USA at the ongoing Olympics athletes were wearing jackets made with repreve during the coding ceremony per age scheduled for this upcoming Sunday.

Additionally barrels of the USA launching new uniforms made from 40% repeat fiber. This new initiative is barrels Scott Usa's first stride to becoming a brand that offer sustainable recycled polyester features in their uniforms.

Next Tom's has added a new line of shoes to the Earth Wise collection that features Repreve, our ocean prominently telling the <unk> story on the interior of the footwear as well as through a variety of outbound medium.

Notable recent Homegoods placements include Brexit home and several mattresses made from euro coach owns a luxury luxury mattress brand in Brazil.

I'm also excited to note that were pre made a Virgin flight recently with the use of our Repreve flame retardant fiber under armour designed to 3 D. Net structure for the seating fabric in the Virgin Galactic spaceship unity accompanying crew well above the earth surface.

I'll conclude our update on where pre with our latest achievement that we've announced in our press release last week.

<unk> received is Hague material sustainably index scores demonstrating that our brands global warming potential is meaningfully better than conventional alternatives and we're proud that consumers and brands can rely on another level of assurance on transparency and knowing that their use of repreve continues to support the conscious and sustainable actions.

The Hague materials sustainability index score certainty shows as our vision sites that we are working today for the good of tomorrow.

We usually cover the outlook commentary from the earnings release debt later in my prepared remarks.

However, today I'd like to take a moment on the fiscal year 2022 guidance, we've given around our expected level of capital spending.

We continue to be very encouraged by the initial results from investments we have made in new yarn texture machinery at our American facilities we.

We are planning to continue these investments during fiscal year 2022, resulting in an elevated level of capital spending.

These investments are necessary to meet what we expect will be continued demand for our Virgin and recycled products in future periods.

As we progress through fiscal year 2022, we expect to be able to share more details on our progress during this important capital equipment upgrade periods.

With that I will turn the call over to Craig Craig.

Thank you Eddie and good morning, everyone.

Unlike the rest of the team I am pleased with our fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2021 results and our ability to navigate the complexities of this recovery with their.

Responsive business model.

Because of these strong results generating some exciting momentum for the future.

As we look at the financial details today I will be brief on year over year commentary due to the drastic difference and the respective economic circumstances, but I will spend a bit more time.

And the underlying drivers of the business and what factors are driving momentum for the future.

I will begin with a high level overview of profitability before moving into the slide presentation.

As expected operating income and adjusted EBITDA increased significantly from the pandemic suppressed Q4 of fiscal 2000.22020.

More impressive is the greater than 100% increase in operating income over the 2 year period from Q4 fiscal 2019 to Q4 fiscal 2021, along with the 60% increase in adjusted EBITDA for the same timeframe.

The strong Q4 fiscal 2021 performance helped us to produce significantly better earnings per share in fiscal 2021, despite some volatility on the tax rate during the economic income.

Specifically I'll review the nonoperating item that was recorded in the just completed quarter the recovery of non income taxes in Brazil.

Wanted to make sure investors understand the positive impact to our business, both historically as well as in the future. So I'll be providing some additional context.

For more than 10 years, many companies in Brazil, including Unifi challenge the constitution on constitutionality of certain items subject to taxes that fund social programs referred to as Pis, kofinis taxes, which have driven a double taxation situation when combined with other taxes paid in that country.

In May 2021, Brazil Supreme Court ruled in favor of the taxpayers and businesses like ours have effectively awarded future credits for the ongoing routine pis goofiness payments occur.

Accordingly, we recorded a $9.7 million benefit to reflect the credits relating to prior years that are available to be taken against future non income tax filings and this benefit is reduced by $3.3 million and tax expense.

The benefit has been removed from our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS calculations as they are not related to the current year underlying operations and stretch back a total of 10 years.

On this matter did not impact cash at our balance sheet date. However, this item will be positive to our cash position as we utilize the tax credits in the future and this will be positive to both net sales and cash as this issue has effective has been effectively eliminated from future periods.

Now, let's turn to slide 5 for a net.

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Consolidated net sales increased to $184.4 million achieving the sequential quarter increase from Q3 fiscal 2021, 3%, which was the high end of our expectations for the floor.

Of course sales eclipsed Q4, 2020 by more than 100%, which mark the most difficult quarter for unified during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Recovery in all of our segments is easily seen on this slide 5.

Slide 6 provides a quick overview of gross profit and follows the net sales recovery.

For probably after the slide demonstrates the significant volume throughput and on focused execution on price management in North and Central America and.

In addition, robust recovery in Asia, and another exceptional quarter on Brazil helped to drive our consolidated gross margin to 14, 9%.

7 and 8 include a net sales overview and gross profit overview, respectively for fiscal 2020 versus fiscal 2021.

These 2 slides exhibit the momentum that we have addressed elsewhere on this call as our dynamic global business model has been able to capture opportunities during the business recovery, especially in our Asia and Brazil segments.

In addition to the year over year analysis, we've chosen we've chosen to present, some sales and gross profit comparisons for the 2 year period debt excludes the COVID-19 pandemic on slides 9 and 10.

For the 2 year period comparison, the following items are noteworthy from net sales on slide 9.

Polyester segment sales are generally flat as a result of the short term production constraints that are impacting the U S. Today.

Asia segment sales increased 32% consistent with our growth strategy and strong demand in that region for <unk> product.

In Brazil sales decreased 12%, primarily due to devaluation of the Brazilian real and the impact of local currency local.

Local country pandemic restrictions on product demand in April 2021.

Moving on to the 2 year period comparison per gross profit on slide 10. The following items are noteworthy.

Polyester segment gross margin increased from 8.9% to 12, 2% demonstrating focused execution in terms of the sales mix pricing cost management and efficient production.

We are proud of this segment achieving double digit margin in what is still a difficult environment.

The Asia segment gross margin increased from 9.8% to 13, 2% demonstrates an improved sales mix and better cost management for our growing portfolio of innovative and sustainable products.

The Brazil segment gross margin increased from 18, 7% to 36, 3% demonstrates the significant market position achieved from the just completed quarter.

Underpinned by exceptional performance on strong pricing.

Moving on to the balance sheet on slide 11.

Stability on our debt and liquidity positions as demonstrated by maintaining diligence around working capital components.

Pace of rising input costs, while generating strong cash flows globally.

All of our team's great work in fiscal 2021 set another record low net debt level of $8.6 million shown on this slide.

We continue to have zero borrowings on our ABL revolver, which had an availability of $66 million as of June 27.2021.

Unified commitment to financial health has allowed us to leverage our strong balance sheet during the more than 12 months challenged by the global pandemic.

We will continue to allocate capital expenditures, 2 new <unk> Evo texturing technology in the Americas.

Under our balanced approach to capital allocation, we expect to continue to invest in new business to drive innovation and organic growth.

We maintain a strong balance sheet and remain opportunistic with share repurchases and or M&A opportunities.

I will now turn the call back to Eddie to take us through the last slides of the presentation and make some final comments Eddie thanks.

Thank you Craig I will conclude with slide 12 of the presentation and provide some context around our expectations for fiscal 2022.

Our performance throughout fiscal 2021, and most recently during the fourth quarter.

Reinforces our belief that there is a structural change in our markets and sustainability is here to stay.

We are encouraged by recent sales trends and our Repreve and other value added products and we expect the recent strength to continue.

While the exceptional gross margin performance of the Brazil segment is not expected to continue at the levels achieved in fiscal 2021. There is much to look forward true we.

We expect to maintain much of the underlying business momentum that was captured and restored during fiscal 2021, while navigating the existing inflationary pressures.

We anticipate that the Asia segment, and polyester segment will generate modest profitability growth over fiscal 2021.

Sales volume growth and continued momentum for Repreve in fiscal 2022 is expected to drive on net sales increase of 10% or Moore.

Operating income and adjusted EBITDA are expected to be broadly consistent with fiscal 2021 levels.

The effective tax rate is expected to fall between 35% and 40%.

And we will continue to invest in organic growth in the Americas, driving our capital expenditures estimate between 40% and $45 million for fiscal 2022.

Primarily comprised of new yarn textile machinery, along with approximately $10 million to $12 million of routine annual maintenance.

To conclude I am proud of our team's performance during the year challenged by the pandemic and global uncertainty.

Our strong results during the fourth quarter on fiscal year demonstrate the strength of our resilient global business model and our potential under normal economic conditions.

We have the right team and workforce in place to drive long term growth and shareholder value.

Going forward, we will continue to focus on partnering with global brand leaders that want to position themselves using sustainable products.

Innovating and positioning the business to drive long term organic growth.

Diligent cost and price management initiatives to protect and improve gross margin and maintaining the strength of our balance sheet to act opportunistically on further organic growth and strategic M&A.

We will now open the line for questions. Thank you.

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We have a question from the line of Dan Moore with CJS Securities.

Hi, Good morning, it's Pete Lukas for Dan.

You touched on it in your prepared remarks, but if you could just kind of expand on your outlook for growth and margins for 'twenty to fiscal 'twenty 2 by segment, starting with polyester International I know you said in Brazil, you don't expect those margins to continue.

But finally kind of touch on the outlook also for nylon.

Okay.

Thank you Pete this is Eddie.

The growth that we do expect we expect growth in volume across all of our business units.

It will be growth in revenue and in volume.

Revenue growth will be.

As a result of the growing cost of raw materials that we're passing on.

But as we said on the call we do expect the overall global growth rate to be.

10% plus over fiscal 2021 from a margin perspective.

We do expect to see some pressure.

If you take all of the business units together global.

Margin will drop primarily because the Brazil.

That were currently experiencing on not expected to continue but.

But we are focused on ensuring that the margins in Brazil.

Or.

As good as they can be but specifically in Asia and the U S. We are under pressure, but we do expect to.

To maintain decent margins in those 2 areas.

Helpful. Thanks next 1 on the tariffs you touched on that.

<unk> to be a benefit starting in January.

Do you expect to achieve the full $20 million revenue benefit in fiscal 'twenty, 2 or is that more of a run rate benefit you expect.

To reach sometime during the fiscal year.

And that's more of a run rate benefits.

And as we said, we're installing new equipment that will be ready from a machine capacity perspective, but we do expect that to ramp up as we move through the second half of our fiscal year.

Great and the last 1 from me with a lot of new entrants and emerging companies focused on recycling plastics do you see the potential for increased demand and competition for Bel bottles as an input.

And what are you doing to ensure that you have enough supply.

Yes, Craig.

I would like to target specifically to the U S and in Asia, We do not have any issues at all but in the in the U S. There is certainty, especially.

Increased competition, especially from the beverage companies who.

Who are trying to put more recycled content into their into their containers and in some states that she gives legal requirements to do that.

Such as California so.

We are seeing increased pressure, we haven't had a.

Shortage of bottles, but we are having to pay a lot more for the bottles and we had just 6 months ago and we are.

As we go through the next quarter or so we are passing on those cost increases. So the supply is not an issue, but certainly the cost of those day of bottles has been has.

Has been problematic for us and of course, it's net.

Easy to pass on price adjustments to customers, but I think they see what's going on right now.

Very helpful. Thanks, and congrats again on the quota.

Thank you thanks Pete.

Your next question comes from the line of cash Richard with Northland.

Yes, thanks for taking my question.

I just wanted to focus on Asia for a second.

Has shut down and they are big producer of apparel and footwear and I was wondering if that was causing any perturbations in your business there.

Thanks for the question most of our business in Asia is in China, but we do have some business on as we've talked on the past in Vietnam. This is certainly something we're paying attention to is in our script, we know that COVID-19 is not over.

We're not sure exactly how it's going to impact Q1 of this new fiscal year.

And it's really sort of oney.

So on liquids of you had a just a few weeks ago, but we're paying attention to it.

I don't think it's something that overall has gone to <unk>.

Impact our Q1 results however.

Okay and then.

On the new texturing equipment that youre, putting on your facility.

Is that a productivity or is it enhancing the product or both could you give a little color there.

Yes.

There's 3 reasons for doing this when it's going to give us more capacity, which we will need as we go.

Capture some import replacement business.

Due to the anti dumping initiatives that are going on.

But it's also.

As al pointed out in his comments, we know that it's going to be.

More productive from.

Speed point of view, but also reduces the resources from an energy and labor perspective on it is.

Safer than existing equipment, which we're very pleased with that.

And then lastly, we are we are very confident that we'll be able to make some product from this new equipment, new innovative products that we haven't been able to make on the existing equipment that we've had from our existing equipment.

5 plus years old in.

This is a great opportunity for us to develop new products, new innovative products on this equipment.

Thank you.

Got it and then the last 1 on familiar.

It seems like.

Globalization moving a bit on reverse and I was just wondering are you seeing any brands or new customers.

Starting on businesses in.

North America.

That would.

Shifting shifts.

Revenue more to North America.

Yes, I mean, I think where we're really seeing.

Growth and a shift in supply chain is in Central America.

This has been a pandemic has been a shock to all of us and the logistics coming from Asia not.

Not just a very costly but its also.

Very timely time consuming so what might have taken 4 weeks is now taking 8 weeks to get across and so that builds on the working capital constraint for these brands and we are hearing from many brands that they want to put Moore.

Business through the Central America supply chain, particularly.

Particularly on the exclusivity in the U S. We're not seeing a huge amount, but I do think.

We'll see some impact going forward, but.

See as specific as I come from Central America.

Okay and would you service that from Brazil or from from your North American plant.

North Americas because.

It's made from U S components on a local components. It comes back into the U S duty free so there's a real advantage too.

From a tax perspective, Judy perspective.

Comments in.

Central America, which offset some of the higher costs that might be otherwise associated with making it here versus an agent.

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Congratulations Ron on the quarter.

Thanks, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Dennis Savage with Sidoti.

Hi, guys congrats on the quarter first off.

Just a couple of questions from me.

Sales guidance range for full year, how much pricing.

Considered into that given the raw material environment and is that embedded in there is there more to come on that.

Ryan we did anticipate in that initial guidance for 'twenty 2 yes, we took into consideration our current level of pricing that we're seeing.

As we've noted it has been.

On the upper eyes here, especially as of late I think we took into consideration what what's happening now we didn't try to project past, what we're seeing in the current day, but the current level of pricing and what we're seeing here is rich.

In a <unk> in a way that's very trusted and that gives them a lot of a lot of trust.

I'm not sure about your first question, but I think it was about the expansion of the raw materials are there ways to get it on the raw materials in the us beyond the veil bottles, we are.

Working as we mentioned with the other calls before on increasing our textile I'll take back programs. So as we.

Get more and more interest from the brands and they developed some collection systems. We do believe will be able to take textiles and put put it back into to say black.

Burns, which will help them increase their sustainability story too.

The recycling rate in the us and we do expect to increase when pale bottles of the pricing goes up significantly as it has done is going on.

Attract more people to increase collections and we have a great partnership with waste management and they are very focused in different communities and increase in recycling rates.

Nonprofit type of recycling partnership. They are also very focused on increasing the amount of curbside collection available to American communities.

Today, we are still around 50 per cent election rates and 50% access to curbside recycling in America and net is a big initiative to increase that and then you have states like Maine that just passed and EPR ruling that he is going to require.

Companies, who are putting plastic onto the market to help create the recycling infrastructure to make that happen. So we see a lot of upside in the.

Collection rates over the next few years because of the price point is has become more attractive and as legislation gets put in place.

It would put more product on to the marketplace.

Thank you thanks for that and then just and just 1 more from me a quick 1 can you just provided some color on the texture interchange and when when when when we see benefits from this project. If you could give some color on that.

We'll see on our entrepreneurs range.

Just.

No. That's good question yeah.

We've mentioned, we're really in the initial stages of getting those first machines into our operations really will continue on that during the first half of FY.

22, and it won't be really until the back end of FY 22 that will start to see some benefit even though we will continue that net machine installation even into that period as well so really for the first quarter and second quarter of FY twenty-two will continue to be an installation ramp up mode.

Start to see some additional benefit for that really on the back half of FY 2002.

Thanks for that and threats on the quarter guys.

Thank you. Thank you.

Hey next question comes from the line of David Silver with CL King.

Hi, good morning.

I had the maybe a question about the broader kind of marketing opportunity you have and maybe the current.

Pricing environment.

So.

You mentioned rising costs, I mean, I guess, all along the supply chain I'm thinking more along the lines of Petro chemical input prices are the oil price I mean, I I personally think.

$70 crude is just to.

Rest stop on the way to something a little bit higher.

But across the cycle you know.

Recycle.

Plastics.

At some point have to compete with Virgin plastics.

<unk> and your experience I mean in an elevated plastics price environment.

Does it is it easier for your company to hit those double digit growth targets, you have or or is it harder or.

Is it kind of depends it depends kind of answers. So how how do you think of your marketing and the demand for your recycled products in a world of.

<unk> prices for for the verge on alternatives. Thank you.

And you've got a lot of things in there.

David Bill.

Actually on the on the general broad theme around petrochemicals.

Recycling traditionally has follows the recycling impulsive, followed divergent inputs and is generally lack sometimes forward.

Leading or or not but.

But I can say is that there has been a disconnect between those companies who wants to use version material and those who wanted to become more sustainable and using recycled products. So right. Now we are we are in this moment of time, where.

Be recycled inputs has gone beyond the increases in and Virgin materials. So we saw crude go from $45, which was there for quite a while up to $70.75.

Which is a big increase but the recycling inputs in the US specifically have increased further so.

You have to sort of ask a question about the regions.

Is there a disconnect in China no is there a disconnect here in the U S. Yes.

Are the brands that were working with.

Staying on the sustainability path I think on can you say, yes. They are and they know this is a temporary situation, whereas the disconnect is so big but as.

Go back to just several years ago crude was at $100.

And we were sending a lot of you on.

And when they're high that crude goes the easier. It is January speaking for the recyclers because.

The delta between the 2.

Narrows so rare.

What it is challenging right now because the delta between the veil bobble pricing and resulting site costs.

Is greater than normal.

At some points there will be an equalization in either version will continue to go up or the recycled.

Costs will go down as Moore collections occur.

So from a marketing perspective.

We're we're marketing to people that want to be sustainable we're not trying to convince people who are.

Committed to Virgin products.

Just to move over we know there's a bunch of big brands out there big retailers out there who are really consciously trying to meet the consumer demand and they're trying to.

True.

Meet those needs of sustainability that their customers are asking for.

And the regional focus that we have really helps us because our supply chain.

Like we talked about earlier, we can make products in Central America in the U S for quick terms.

But we can also make products in Asia and recycled content is less pressure over there from recycled inputs point of view, so I think the motivation to buy and apparel and home goods and shoes.

Is is more and more becoming.

Sustainable focused so these brands are looking forward to that and we're going to market towards those brands and actually focus on marketing on their customers. So that they can get value from the reprieved marketing that we're putting out there.

I hope that helps.

Yeah, that's a lot to unpack their thank you.

I had a follow up question maybe on your tax rate.

So.

Effective tax rate of between 35, and 40% is what you're guiding too and I mean to me. That's that's 1 of the higher rates for the companies in my universe.

However, I did notice in the cash flow statement here that there was a deferred income tax kind of benefit.

For this year. So if if I was modeling your company going forward is they're kind of a structural difference, let's say between your gap.

Income tax accrual and a cash tax rate and do you have.

Is that something that we should be factoring in I guess for the longer term. So maybe just some thoughts on your gap tax rate versus your cash tax relief. Thank you.

Sure David that's a good question yet for cash taxes, we do we will get the benefit we will get some continued benefit specifically as we mentioned in the call today some of the changes.

With the indirect taxes and getting credits that we will utilize over several years that will continue to push the the cash taxes below the overall tax rate. There are some other factors that are that are in play there as well, but yeah I would say that we feel like if I gave you a specific number.

Could it be.

Could you be a.

5 percentage points lower when you're arranging your cash taxes, that's probably realistic so yes into Brian May answer. Your question, Yes, we do feel like we will continue to have some things that have the effective tax rate actually be a bit higher than the actual cash tax rate.

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

[noise] and now on now trying to call back on to management for closing remarks.

Thank you and thank you to everyone for listening and participating today or next earnings release for the first fiscal quarter ending September 26th 2021 is tentatively scheduled for Monday October 25th 2021. After the clothes on the market with a conference call to follow the next morning Tuesday October 26.

2021 at 830 am Eastern time, Thanks again.

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