Q3 2021 Calix Inc Earnings Call
<unk> and welcome to the Calix third quarter 2021 earnings call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance. During the conference. Please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded I.
And now I'd like to turn the conference over to your host Mr. Tom Dinges director of Investor Relations for Calix. Thank you you may begin.
Thank you operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter 2021 earnings call.
On the call, we have chairman and CEO.
Chief Financial Officer, Cory Sindelar, as President and Chief operating Officer, Michael <unk>.
Reminder, yesterday after the close of market, we released our letter to stockholders in an 8-K filing as well up on the Investor Relations section of the Calix website.
This conference call will be available for audio replay of the Investor Relations section of the Calix website.
Before I turn the call over to Carl for his brief opening remarks, I want to remind you that in this call. We refer to forward looking statements, which include all statements, we make about our future financial and operating performance growth strategy and market outlook and actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward looking statements.
Factors that could cause actual results and trends to differ materially are set forth in our third quarter 2021 letter to stockholders.
And in our annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC Calix assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements, which speak only as of their respective dates.
Also on this conference call, we will discuss both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in our letter to stockholders unless otherwise stated on this call. We will reference non-GAAP measures with that let me turn the call over to Carl Carl.
Thanks, Tom.
Bookings in the quarter continued to be led by the unrelenting growth.
Our all platform offerings.
<unk> continues to broaden as we added 38, new customers to our already diverse base of broadband service providers of all types and sizes.
Exceptional growth we have achieved over the last few years speaks to the power of our platforms systems and services.
Fresh off our 16th connections conference.
It's clear our customers are putting our platform to produce as many stood on stage and share their stories of success with their peers.
Sure.
<unk> platform customers are taking share in their markets as they develop the next generation of broadband service providers and we are excited to help them with.
While we are clearly positioned in front of a multiyear secular growth opportunity.
It is also clear that the short term supply challenges will persist for longer than we anticipated just a quarter ago.
We now expect the supply challenges to persist through the entirety of.
2022.
While our supply chain team again performed well in the third quarter. There is struggle will continue for the next four or five quarters.
That said we are up for the challenge we have a high performing team that continues to attract outstanding talent from many industries supported by a strong balance sheet, leveraging our focused product strategy.
We are excited every day to help our customers simplify their businesses right.
Site their subscribers and grow their value with.
With that let's open the call for questions.
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Our first question.
It comes from the line of Paul Silverstein with Cowen and company. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks, Good morning.
First off I was hoping that Carl you are Cory.
To quantify the magnitude of the supply chain impact on both revenue and especially on margins and the related question would be.
I appreciate that.
Some factors that likely contributes to your exposure on the exposure of your peers I was hoping maybe you could provide some insight on why it appears that the impact was so much less for you.
Was for train business, the pre announcement of perhaps cambium based on your pre announcement.
Okay Fair enough. So let me first address the margin issue because as you may remember, we said prior that the margin impacts.
Our greater than one point of margin less than five points of margin. Cory you may want to give a slightly different color or update to that as these things get harder.
Yes, so the I would update that with <unk>.
Certainly inside of the quarter things have gotten harder across the board we've seen lead times.
Michelle.
Nice increases.
At this time increase freight costs increase both air and water.
It's definitely a very challenging environment.
And I would say inside of the third quarter.
Greater than 200 basis points and less than 500 now.
Clearly an impact to margins on the revenue side.
Paul a couple of observations.
From a revenue standpoint.
We continue to work with our customers as you know we have a direct engagement model.
There is.
Obviously had great attendance at connections and thanks by the way to all of our customers.
Coming out of connectors, and we had some 1500 customers there.
By the way.
In addition to just being glad I think to get out of the house.
The spirits, they were very high and again a lot of the spree decor between us and our customers are not planning helps us lay out what.
What we're after from a revenue standpoint, which is frankly to make sure that they are meeting their subscriber demand and right now we know that they are meeting their subscriber demand and that's what we're focused on so from a revenue impact I mean, I guess, we could ship more to their warehouses, but right now we know that we're meeting their subscriber demand.
As for the factors look I think the world of the team and I think you've seen that discipline of not only the culture and the team here.
On our execution our processes on our execution.
But as we've spoken about before.
<unk> forms have allowed us because theyre fully abstracted model to narrow and focus our SKU count.
And our teams are working and managing some 300 skus or thereabouts.
Six years ago.
Well when Michael joined we had some 3000 3200 skus.
So there's a lot of work.
To drive our platforms not only through our customers, but take advantage of the benefits in the company.
We have a very talented supply chain team with a strong balance sheet.
Frankly focused on 300 Skus. So I think that's the biggest difference to that question.
Does that help.
Yes, it does.
Follow up if I may.
Carl in terms of visibility.
<unk> very strong indeed.
Any incremental insight you can offer.
Again coming off of connections a strong strong visibility.
I don't know that its stronger or less than it was a week ago or a quarter ago.
I would merely amplify what we've said to date, which is the partnerships that we have with our customers again, the direct engagement model. Our customers are definitely working with us to plan. This out and that makes all of this a whole lot easier to try and figure out.
Carl Historically I think your formulation was the growing number already meaningful number of your customers were giving you.
Forward visibility well beyond the 90 day book and ship I think typically characterized as your business.
Ed.
Now almost all customers as it.
Meaningfully greater number than it was 90 days ago or 180 days ago.
Yeah. It just continues to grow.
Alright, I'll pass it on I appreciate it.
Thanks, Paul.
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Our next question comes from the line of George Notter with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, guys, thanks very much.
Yes, My interest has peaked.
The shareholder letter around a large customers I think you said you had 110% customer during the quarter I saw the international performance was quite strong again I I'm wondering if maybe that was an international customer, but any insight you can give us into that customer and what's driving that strength in and why.
Why you had such strong shipments into that customer in the quarter would be great.
Yeah.
I think I said and we said in the letter maybe I said it.
So my inside of my own headed I didn't say it out loud.
It literally it's an accident of all the supply chain challenges that customer had a shipment that went.
Then in the third quarter that they got in the third quarter and they had a shipment that I'd like to them in the second quarter that you can.
To get there in the second quarter. It got there in the third quarter and so they ended up just being over the 10% threshold.
Look what it should indicate that you know obviously you know it wasn't a larger medium customer based upon the numbers that are in the histogram letter.
But what it does indicate is theres a lot of strength in smaller customers and some smaller customers depending upon what their building, especially greenfield customers.
Drive quite a bit of revenue.
That said.
Going forward, unless we feel that someone is going to be.
A 10% customer for the year I didn't show up in the 10-K, we're not going to identify them.
Got it Okay, and then just to expand on that obviously, the large customers were weaker again.
I assume that some of that you can attribute to the situation at lumen, obviously selling off a portion of the assets that are strategic divestiture. Maybe you can just talk about you know kind of the outlook. There obviously, it's historically your largest customer but.
Any insights there would be great.
I think it's the same as it was 91 days ago when they are announced.
The spin off Oh, they're east coast their eastern assets doing a group led by Apollo and we said that that May open up opportunities with that group, but also the capital going into land that might open up opportunities.
There's no change in our strategy from them and that we're aware of and certainly nothing announced.
Great. Okay, all right I'll pass it on thanks, guys.
Thanks George.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Genovese with West Park Capital. Please proceed with your question.
Great. Thanks.
I guess sorry.
You made comments about the supply chain in 2022, I guess I'm wondering with that as context can.
Can we talk about your your current view on revenue growth gross margin and an opex levels for 2022.
Yeah, well before I go there, let me I want to make a little more comment on the supply chain because clearly what we're saying is we don't see this abating in the second half. We think this is going to be with us and we're just gonna have to execute with excellence plan with our customers and go accordingly, but Michael you were.
Obviously that Michael and his team at ups fantastic.
Connections.
But one of the aspects there isn't much known about for Codexis standpoint, its not only do we have customers there, but we have partners and we have our suppliers there and Michael maybe you have some observations you want to share from the supplier summit just on that alone and then I'll come back to your other question Michael.
Thanks, Paul I had the opportunity to meet with many of our suppliers and more different media outlets continue to forecast when the supply shortage Glenn it's very clear that this is not going away in the short term.
Whether it's delays in the L. A port Covid outbreak slowing down a factory in Asia or even the weather that we're seeing in California. This week.
The disruptions continue to have an impact and it was the discussion point at the supplier summit. Most believe this is a 2022 issue and some believed that we could see this seep into 2023.
Yeah. That's I mean, that's what we're seeing and they were very forthright in that room and say it ain't happening at 2022 on the revenue side and the margin side and the Opex side as you know we have a model.
And we're not moving off of that but maybe categorically Cory if you sort of walk down revenue margin.
And Opex and give color on that for 2022.
Yes, so a refresher you know our revenue model is 5% to 10% per annum.
We did provide just a little bit more color inside the letter, which said that we expect to be towards the high end of that range.
On the margin side.
Still 100 to 200 basis points.
I would say to you today that there is a lot of uncertainty as we look to 2022.
We certainly don't have a line of sight to it but we're not changing our view of that margin expansion.
Yeah.
So we look at your Opex, we're getting.
To continue to invest a model.
So R&D, maybe it's 30% of gross profit sales marketing between 16% to 18%, but we will be looking to drive towards the high end of that.
Uh huh.
And then when things G&A will continue to take will be about one point less than where we're at with our model our model, let's say, 9% or closer to 8%.
Largely due to the increased revenue growth over the last couple of years accelerated.
That number downward.
And just to add we're committed to invest fulsomely in that model.
For very simple reason.
We see an extraordinary secular opportunity ahead of us.
Sorry go ahead, right well, yeah, I want to follow up on that point I mean, when I look at the projected rate of spending in opex.
And then you talked about this extraordinary opportunity and I also look at the the revenue growth in the last couple of years.
I mean, frankly, it looks like the Opex plan is ahead of our 5% to 10% revenue growth company or even a.
Even a 10% revenue growth company so.
And there just seems to be a little bit disconnect am I thinking about that the wrong way I mean, when I when I look at your investment plan. It seems like you think youre going to grow faster than 10% am I thinking about that the wrong way.
Well, yes, you are thinking about it the wrong way if I may be forthright.
But theres part of it that you were saying I think it's the correct way so.
Again to go back if you have to go back a year and a half ago two years ago.
Because we were very tight fisted on our opex growth during the pandemic for a number of reasons when you first camp as.
As we got more and more comfortable with our growth rate and as we get more and more comfortable that we can manage through the pandemic. We then let ourselves go back to our model. The reason the rate. It is outgrowing what you'd see is because we were behind our opex model by a substantial amount.
So we are going to continue to grow our opex.
Ultimately to that right now to your point.
We've also said that we have grown our employee base on average about 5% a quarter for the last few quarters.
If we didn't see the opportunity in front of us.
<unk> that employee growth.
We wouldn't be growing so on the one hand to your point, we clearly.
You know that we are in front of a significant secular growth opportunity and we are going to go capture that demand.
Then we're going to try and figure out how to supply it.
And so.
It's very simple.
We see a long term secular opportunity.
You did buy a short term figure is transitory or more.
On the supply side.
Does that give you the color.
Mike Yes, absolutely Karl does I just wanted to ask one more question, probably give Michael a chance to come back which.
Which is just you know connections was it seemed like a great event and there were a lot of important announcements I. Just was wondering can you sorry about that just focuses on the most important announcements from connections were thank you.
Wait a minute that's not Michael Barkley is it.
Just kidding.
Connections with fantastic and Michael as a matter of fact, why don't you why don't you give some color around our customer.
Customer meetings or something that makes sense to you that you can weave in the product announcements and what you saw there yes more of the product announcements that thank you.
On the product announcements yeah.
So go ahead, okay from a product announcement point of view. It was the most important I think that the thing that you're going to see that you saw from US. If you watch the opening general session was that all of our product announcements were correlated to customers. This was a key message because it. This next step with our plan.
We have the opportunity to innovate in any direction and the last thing that we want to do is innovate based upon our own beliefs, we want to focus on innovation based on what our customers need what they where they view us I'm, adding the most value and how we drive their success.
To gain this long term opportunity so from our announcement point of view, if I was going to stack rank the most important announcements.
First one I would start with what is our end to end solution model, which we called one plus one equals four and that's where we have the ability to tie the intelligent access edge with the revenue.
Using calix cloud. It gives you the capability to drive New services. This is something we pursued for 11 years to get to this point.
Which allows us to then create new services and drive automation that have never been seen before in this industry.
Second significant innovation and I believe is the most important thing that calix is doing is launching calix marketing.
Professional edition and Thats based upon bringing demographics into real time behavioral analytics. This is that the purview of big companies tier ones and tier twos people, who can put two or 300 data scientists onto a floor and have them do this work, we have now to mark or tied to that data and made it so even the.
<unk> broadband service provider can now be as effective as an Amazon or a Google or one of those tier ones you had three or 400 data scientists. It is the Holy Grail of marketing and allows them to drive wickedly efficient marketing campaigns.
The third.
Is it.
He is basically what we're doing with regards to the community Wi Fi, We launched my community IQ and Mike's me IQ. It gives the broadband provider the ability to have ubiquitous Wi Fi roaming in their town the benefit of that as I.
Covered off in and spoke to with Brad.
You have allo is that this allows them to partner very closely with the municipalities as we all know if you're a fiber provider and Youre building into account. Your most important partner is a municipality because that many municipalities controls.
Right away as in all of those different elements. So this gives them the capability to provide ubiquitous Wi Fi across town and then allow everybody roam on it the reach out to police fire ambulance reduced their data costs and thats going to be very important to the municipality at the same time. It allows them to deal with the FCC mandate, which is <unk>.
Around E rate and providing unimproved list children with access to broadband.
This is a great opportunity for the for our service providers, who are incredibly community centric to really make that a reality. So we're really excited about it and that's just the top three of many announcements and as you know we released our products on a 91 day cadence. So the rate of innovation at Calix is frankly accelerating.
Mike any other questions before we go.
That's it that's it for now thanks, so much and I apologize for my words, but thank you.
Thanks, Mike.
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Good morning, Paul.
Yeah.
You talked about the supply chain issues lasting through the entirety of 2022.
Some of which may bleed into 2023.
To be direct with my question, how do you foresee.
The underlying gross margin potential of the business you mentioned.
Greater than 200 bps approximately of impact in Q3 margin.
If we were to.
Let's say average that through 2022 on it on a quarterly run rate basis.
That would point to 2023 margin improvements.
Potential beyond what your target model would suggest.
Yeah.
Okay.
So.
Chris are you are you trying to do at 2020 three model.
I guess, what I'm getting at indirectly is your comments on the last quarter call just about.
All platform offerings.
Systems, and software representing greater than 50% of bookings.
Assuming this trend is only going to continue to supply chain environment might ship put a shadow over some of this.
Positivity, but as we.
Get more into the lights into 2023, certainly from a revenue and margin perspective with the easier comparisons against 2022.
The best is yet to come and this disruption.
So to be clear, let me just put the directional fevers that youre speaking to.
The underlying model is continuing to drive gross margin expansion.
That gross margin expansion Unfortunately is dramatically muted.
By the headwinds of the supply chain that those headwinds are going to continue through 2022 as you heard Cory you say more than 200 basis points less than 500 right now from what we can see you also heard him say that the 100 to 200 basis points of improvement per year, while we don't have it figured out yet.
Not getting off of that model.
If you projected through to some point in the future.
When.
Heaven only knows demand and supply are harmonized the roadblock.
The headwinds abate, then you're going to see a rapid improvement in our gross margins as the cost of inventory flows through the business and you move back to something that's more normalized no question about it.
That 'twenty two 'twenty three well right now what we're saying is.
Pretty clear that these headwinds will continue through 2022 into 2023.
We may be sitting here two quarters from now going it looks like 'twenty 'twenty three is going to be better we may be sitting here, saying it looks like it's 10 years.
Cautious and say your thesis.
Is correct I would just be careful about calling out any timeframe right now because it's quite crowded.
That makes perfect sense. Thank you.
Yeah.
And then I didn't want to lose sight, some support in the quarter from federal and state government.
Government areas.
Can you comment to the benefits.
A lot is ongoing I understand with these government support programs.
But what kind of benefit do you anticipate in the Q4 guide.
And how should we think about the level of benefit in these areas.
So nominal in our numbers.
As we said before the ARPA funds have actually come out faster.
Then the art off awards, which actually happened before.
ARPA products are adopted moving very slowly.
They often months are going through in that way out.
You have if it gets approved.
The bipartisan infrastructure, Bill, which has $65 billion in it.
On broadband, but you wouldn't see those funds.
Until 'twenty two 'twenty three of 2020.
So there are there's a continued.
Number in there.
But it's not driving our model is it's certainly not driving.
The customer excitement that we saw at connections.
We're continuing to see our customers winning and investing irrespective.
Of government funding.
Got it.
One last quick one.
If I may I, just wanted to ask a question about the third cloud solution.
You signed up your first customers in this area.
Can you just share some color around that and how.
How we should think about this opportunity as it pertains to this solution.
Yeah, that's what you're speaking to is operation side, which is in fact, our cloud offering and Michael My chats.
Sure they are going back to the one plus one equals more than product announcement that we made the operations at its core.
Core and central to that and what it basically does is you know our first two class one is marketing cloud and the second one is support cloud, which allows broadband service providers are under most wickedly efficient contact centers. The third with operations cloud is really again back to that 11 year vision of allowing these platforms to create.
The lowest opex alright, as Carl has frequently said lowest cost per bit per mile network operations organization possible, allowing even the smallest broadband service provider to compete and win in their market on an efficiency point of view and so operations ponds around tying the revenue edge with intelligent.
The access edge together and then automating everything.
So this is a next step where are we going to AI neural networks.
And massive amounts of workflows that we create for these broadband service providers in the Navy roll it out within their operations.
Very successful inefficient.
Thanks, Chris Great. Thanks, Karl Thanks, Michael.
Thank.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Koontz with Needham <unk> Company. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks for the question.
With regards to the gross margin decline and in fact, the supply chain can you.
Maybe your ability to increase and pass along pricing to your customers and kind of where you are in that process.
Yeah, I think the gross margin is worth a double click so let me directly answer your question.
We could potentially pass along pricing.
We remain committed to not doing that.
Because of what you heard I was talking about earlier in Chris' asking about which is the model continues to drive gross margin improvement in the company.
As.
Mitigated by the supply chain issues.
Our model in the long term, if we're playing the long game.
As to.
To help our customers win as much market share as they can win.
And let them move without wondering whether we're raising prices or not and not have us spending the time frankly in a sales environment explaining that to them.
And nothing has demonstrated our sense of partnership to our customers and we heard it over and over again and connections and helping them get their supply and not changing their pricing.
And so if we were simply a box only company, where all we were doing was.
Box ship.
And then we would probably try and pass it on.
But we're not the box.
When it's shipped I E. Our system at the beginning of the revenue stream for the platforms.
So it makes much more sense to us to continue to fight the good fight and go forward now let me just dovetail a couple of other pieces that you have graphic evidence of what I just said in this last quarter.
Because you've had companies around the space Miss on revenue.
The company's Miss on margin and you've got companies Miss on revenue and margin and you've seen margins not in the fifties not.
Not in the Forty's, but in the third.
And we are not raising our prices.
I believe you've got graphic evidence.
What we believe to be the correct decision not only for our customers, but for our long term success.
That's helpful. Karl Thanks, a lot.
In the past you've given some perspective on kind of where you are in terms of the mix of.
Bookings of revenue for your platform products can you give us CFO to qualitative insights there.
I can.
And they wouldn't be qualitative because last quarter, we said that we passed the 50 50 bookings on our all platform systems and services model as a percentage of our bookings.
You also may remember me, saying that once that happens.
Can't imagine it going backwards and so far I can't imagine it's true.
It's only accelerated from there and I would absolutely expect coming off of it.
And actions.
Continue to accelerate into the fourth quarter as well.
Helpful.
One last question if I could squeeze it in please on the on the marketing cloud product.
Was that she really a software product or their services tied to that how should we think about marketing cloud and how that has kind of driven through your model.
Yeah. So by the way, let me give a preamble at the preamble is also coming off of connections I think there were a lot of light bulbs going on in the audience about marketing cloud, especially as their peers stood on stage, but Michael why don't you give the color on marketing cloud and all of the associated opportunities that we give to our customers to help them become better mark.
Cheers.
There were a number of announcements around the professional edition in and marketing cloud as they stated as is the Holy Grail of marketing because it brings together demographics, which are essentially useless unless you have here.
Behavioral analytics brings demographics behavioral analytics together that allow customers to reduce churn and drive significant up shop, because we heard over and over again, but more.
And importantly, also we're on an acquisition strategy and allow marketers to guide the network engineering team on where you should both fiber to drive the highest propensity to buy so why would you build in an area, where you're below where your experience shows that you can't get that upsell them really starting on where you're at.
What's the opportunity with regards to the services around them, we believe that marketing cloud is a partnership with our customers and first and foremost we put their brand first and so we're very focused on how do they elevate their brand against the consumer indirect companies, who are trying to win that direct relationship with their subscribers and turn that around.
And service provider into a dump pipe so.
As part of the part of parcel of that partnership there's a few things first our customer success team continues to expand the customer success team are filled with the scientists and other folks like that to really engage with the customer to build really great marketing campaigns based upon the micro segmentation that they do in marketing.
The second thing that we announced a partnership with a comedian Jerry D, who actually created ads that armed service providers can then grand easily with a tool that we have on the web which is a video branding.
<unk>.
And they can then watch those as ads in their marketplace and those are available on the couch Dot Com website, you can see the replace and they're a brilliant expansion.
And that will be created for those service providers to really do great marketing that it should be noted that we created over 3300 pieces of content for them to leverage that includes Instagram Facebook posts, but then also over 200 videos, including these Gary D videos, but also support videos.
They can brand support videos and put them on the website. The last thing that we announced at connections is the marketing Academy and the marketing Academy is bringing together together some of the best marketers in the world to create a very focused broadband market the academy and learning opportunities. So that for example.
If you're a small service provider and you you've done marketing the last five years, but you'd really like to up your game you can run through this academy learn around the best broadband social marketing how to use Youtube Facebook all the different component parts and bring it together.
Basically raise up your skills think of it as marketing certification for broadband market.
Once youre hearing is over and over again.
We're here to help simplify their business.
I think their subscribers and grow their value, but most importantly, what you just heard Michael speak to this further value through also growing their brand presence and this is something that service providers, we believe can do better and better and it shows up in a lot of the results that our service providers are getting with their subscribers. So.
Thanks for the question Brian.
Sure. Thanks, a lot for questions.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tim <unk> with Northland Capital. Please proceed with your question.
Okay.
Hi, good morning.
I'm wondering if you guys might be able to share any you.
And you kind of if I heard you right, it's hard to say.
You weren't seeing much in the way of revenue impact or you know seem to be shipping to customer demand, but do you have any backlog or book to bill metrics that you can share to give us a sense of.
Kind of overall demand trends in the quarter.
Got to one.
I'm, sorry, Karl could you repeat that.
Yeah, that's not a one well I mean, there's nothing that we would share on backlog or book to bill or anything of that nature other than to say that.
We had strong bookings in the quarter.
And we'll get on with executing the business.
Okay. Thanks.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Davis for any final comments.
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