Q3 2021 Masonite International Corp Earnings Call
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Welcome to me said third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. After management's prepared remarks investors are invited to participate in a question and answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded I would now.
Like to turn the call over to Richard Leland, Vice President Finance and Treasurer. Please proceed.
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Thank you and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for today's call with me here. This morning are our taxes.
Chief Executive Officer, and Ross T J Maxx, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Chris.
Chris Hall, our president of global residential will also be joining us for the Q&A session.
Issued a press release and earnings presentation yesterday after the market close reporting our third quarter 2021 financial results. These documents are available on our website at <unk> Dot com.
Before we begin let me remind you that this call will include forward looking statements. Each forward looking statements contained in this call is subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in such statements. Additional information regarding these factors appears in the section entitled forward looking statements in the press release.
We issued yesterday morning.
More information about risks can be found under the heading risk factors and makes it nice most recently filed Form 10-K, and our subsequent form 10, Qs, which are available at SEC Gov and at Masonite Dot com.
The forward looking statements in this call speak only as of today and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of these statements. Our earnings release and today's discussion includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the reconciliations which are in the press release and the appendix of the earnings presentation.
Our agenda for today's call includes a business overview from Howard followed by a review of the third quarter from Russ along with our updated 2021 financial outlook Lastly.
Lastly, Howard will provide some closing remarks, and we'll host a question and answer session.
Let me turn the call over to Howard.
Thanks, Rich good morning, and welcome everyone.
Good to be speaking with you all again.
I am pleased to report that we delivered another quarter of year on year growth in both net sales and volume.
The strong 11% increase in net sales was driven by higher average unit price or <unk> and volume growth in our residential businesses, both in North America and Europe.
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As expected adjusted EBITDA margin contracted year on year due to higher input costs.
Of the realization of pricing actions taken in June and August.
We have implemented multiple price increases across the business. This year to stay ahead of the rising costs in 2021 and maintain a favorable price cost relationship.
While we did not realize enough price to preserve margins in the third quarter pricing actions did offset the dollar impact of inflation in absolute terms.
With these actions in full effect, we feel confident we will return to year on year margin expansion in the fourth quarter Russ will discuss this in more detail as it relates to our updated 2021 outlook.
During the quarter, we repurchased $41 million of our common stock. This marks the highest amount of quarterly share repurchase activity since 2018.
With respect to business and operational highlights for the quarter demand remained robust across our residential end markets in both North America and Europe.
We were pleased to deliver volume growth, despite labor availability and logistics challenges that are impacting the markets we serve.
In an effort to service our customers, we experienced operating inefficiencies and elevated overtime during the quarter the.
The use of initiatives such as referral sign on retention and perfect attendance bonus programs in the quarter. In addition to wage adjustments helped drive an increase in applicants but.
But labor remains a challenge broadly.
I am pleased to say that our new facilities in both our North American residential and Europe segments are moving forward as planned.
We expect to see our new Stoke-on-trent UK facility operational in the first quarter of 2022, and our Fort Mill, South Carolina facility online the following quarter.
Both of these facilities are extremely attractive investments addressing high growth products and regions respectively.
We believe this additional capacity will enable us to fully meet demand, while increasing efficiency and providing better service to our customers overall.
Lastly, I'd like to highlight several organizational changes in the leadership of Masonite, including the addition of a chief sustainability officer to our executive management team.
Let's turn to slide five for more details.
Environment, social and governance has become increasingly important to our shareholders and stakeholders at large in recent years.
As a company founded on sustainability I think it's important to build upon this legacy and ensure we embed a focus on environmental stewardship, social responsibility and good governance more deeply into our business.
Accordingly, we made the decision to create a new executive role of Chief Sustainability Officer too.
To effectively drive ESG into our operations supply chain and product development process. The role requires someone with a strong operational and technical background.
For these reasons that we chose Claire Doyle, who most recently served as our senior Vice President General manager for the Europe business segment.
Claire has a valuable combination of general management experience with a technical background and her five years with Masonite makes her an ideal candidate to lead our continued ESG journey.
This organizational move created an opportunity for us to continue building our leadership talent abroad.
I am pleased that Vicki filament joined Masonite in August of this year as the new senior Vice President General manager of Europe.
Her commercial and marketing expertise as well as our inclusive leadership style and strategic mindset are ideal for this role as we look to build on strong momentum in our Europe business.
Vicky was most recently a managing director for Morphy Richards, a supplier of small appliances in the U K. She also previously served in senior sales and marketing roles at Stanley Black <unk> Decker.
And most recently, we announced the appointment of Crystal ball as President of global residential we believe his leadership style relevant experience and drive for results will be strong assets and helping us achieve our growth initiatives, including delivering on our doors that do more strategy.
Prior to joining masonite, Chris served as the President Americas for Cooper tire and rubber company.
Earlier in his career he held a variety of leadership roles across sales and operations at Whirlpool Corporation and has an extensive background, leading global teams to drive growth.
I am delighted to have Chris join the team and have them here with us today.
As we discussed in our Investor day, we want to have the best team in the industry the ability to attract and retain talent is a critical differentiator for companies for these reasons I couldnt be more pleased with the new hires we made into the organization and the addition of a dedicated CSO to lead our ESG initiatives.
With that I'll turn the call over to Russ to provide more details on our financials Russ.
Thanks, Howard good morning, everyone.
Turning to slide seven I'll provide an overview of our third quarter financial results.
We reported net sales of $652 million up 11% as compared to the third quarter of 2020.
The growth was primarily due to an 8% increase in A&P, which was up year on year across all three segments unfavorable price.
We also benefited 2% from base volume growth and 2% due to the favorable impact from foreign exchange.
As Howard mentioned, we saw a base volume growth in our residential businesses, both in our North America, and Europe segments, which was partially offset by declines in the architectural segment.
Gross profit decreased 4% to $154 million as the benefit of strong OUP growth was more than offset by the impact of higher inflation and tariffs on materials as well as higher factory and distribution costs.
Accordingly, gross margin contracted 370 basis points year on year to 23, 6%.
Selling general and administration expenses were $77 million down 35% compared to the same period last year, primarily due to the absence of $38 million in charges related to the settlement of U S class action litigation that were included in the prior year period.
Even after excluding these charges SG&A as a percentage of net sales fell 200 basis points from the prior year to 11, 7%.
SG&A also benefited from lower incentive compensation expense in the third quarter of 2021, but declines were partially offset by higher personnel costs, including resources to support growth.
Okay.
Net income was $38 million in the quarter compared to a loss of $22 million in the third quarter of 2020.
The prior year loss included the negative impact of the settlement charges I, just discussed and goodwill impairment in the architectural segment totaling approximately $90 million of discrete pre tax charges in the third quarter last year.
Diluted earnings per share were $1 54.
Up from a loss of 89 in the third quarter of last year.
Adjusted earnings per share were $1 99.
Which excludes charges related to the loss on extinguishment of debt and actions taken as part of our previously announced restructuring plans that were incurred in the quarter. This.
This compares to $2 16 per share in the third quarter last year, which excluded settlement impairment and restructuring costs.
As Howard mentioned, our price actions fully offset the impact of inflation in absolute dollar terms.
However factory and logistics inefficiencies due to labor constraints caused adjusted EBITDA declined slightly year on year to $105 million <unk>.
Adjusted EBITDA margin was 16, 1% down 240 basis points from a strong margin level in the prior year quarter.
On the right hand of the slide we have our adjusted EBITDA Bridge, which illustrates the contribution from our strong top line growth.
We saw additional year on year favorability of $3 million due to foreign exchange as both the Canadian dollar and British pound strengthened against the U S dollar.
Our cost of goods sold remained elevated in the third quarter.
As expected material costs were significantly higher up $36 million year on year.
Raw material inflation higher inbound freight costs and supply chain disruptions all contributed to material cost inflation that approached 20% versus the third quarter last year.
We also incurred $19 million of higher factory related cost in the quarter due to increased wages and production inefficiencies caused by labor constraints.
Lack of labor availability exacerbated by pockets of Covid related absenteeism was a continued headwind.
Given the circumstances, we were pleased with how our operations team performed overall in the quarter.
Distribution costs were $14 million higher year on year as a result of sub optimized payload and frankly in mix as we shifted production around our network of manufacturing plants to best service customers.
As well as higher freight rates and inflation in packaging materials.
Let's turn to slide eight for our North American residential segment results.
Net sales increased 16% from the prior year to $489 million.
Base volume contributed 4% to growth in the quarter on continued strength in our retail business driven by our previously announced new business with Lowes.
The largest driver of growth was a 9% increase in A&P, which was up on favorable price as we benefited from three previously announced price increases including modest benefit from the August price increase.
Given our backlog and the timing of orders, we did not anticipate seeing a benefit from this increase until the fourth quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA in the North American residential segment was $91 million in the third quarter down 6% from the same period last year with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 18, 7% down 450 basis points as rising costs in the quarter outpaced pricing actions.
The material inflation and operational factors noted on the prior slide where a sizable headwind to the north American residential business.
We continue to look towards the future and invest for long term growth in the third quarter, we made significant progress on new product development and in our targeted capacity expansion initiatives, such as our Fort Mill, South Carolina facility.
Turning to slide nine and our Europe segment.
Net sales increased 14% year on year to $84 million.
Base volume was up 3% as we saw continued strengthening in our interior door business, while output in our exterior business was impacted by lingering material availability issues.
Both businesses face the challenging labor market in the U K and we're impacted by Covid protocols.
<unk> was up 11% year on year unfavorable price, which offset inflationary pressures in the quarter.
We saw a 7% benefit from the favorable impact of foreign exchange due to the continued strength of the British pound against the U S dollar year on year and.
And a 1% increase in the sale of components and other products.
These gains were partially offset by an 8% decline due to the previously disclosed sale of our business in the Czech Republic during the second quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA was $17 million in the third quarter up 11% year on year.
Adjusted EBITDA margin remained strong at 19, 8%.
Price fully offset the impact of inflation, while we faced mixed headwinds from the relative strengthening of our interior business.
We are particularly pleased with our margin performance of the Europe segment, which has demonstrated step level improvements in the last two years due to portfolio optimization and the growth of our exterior door business.
Our new Stoke-on-trent facility will allow us to add capacity for this margin accretive portion of the business.
With equipment installation now underway, we're pleased to see this facility progressing as plan overall.
Overall, another strong quarter for our Europe segment.
Moving to slide 10, and the architectural segment net sales decreased by 13% year on year to $75 million.
Driven by a 15% decline in base volume due primarily to labor constraints, including Covid impacts.
These labor constraints, coupled with improved order flow in the quarter drove backlog growth and extended lead times.
The sale of components and other products also decreased by 3% year on year.
These declines were partially offset by a 4% improvement in AEP driven by price actions as well as a 1% increase from favorable foreign exchange.
Adjusted EBITDA margin contracted to one 4%.
While we continue to realize favorable price this was more than offset by the impact of lower volume and inflation.
We were encouraged to see signs of recovery in the commercial construction market.
This is the second consecutive quarter of inbound order growth in our project business and base volume growth and our quick ship business we.
We believe continued progress on our optimization plan should result in our ability to capitalize on this commercial end market recovery as it accelerates in 2022.
Slide 11 summarizes our liquidity and cash flow performance for the quarter.
Inclusive of unrestricted cash and accounts receivable purchase agreement and our Undrawn ABL facility, our total available liquidity ending the quarter with $614 million.
Net debt was $472 million, resulting in a net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio of one two times.
Cash flow from operations was $100 million.
Through the end of the third quarter down from $219 million in the first nine months of 2020.
Lower cash flow levels were anticipated given our need to rebuild net working capital from historically low levels at the end of 2020, along with natural increases in working capital from rising sales volumes and higher cash taxes and cash payments related to the settlement of U S class action litigation.
Capital expenditures were approximately $47 million in the first nine months of 2021.
As Howard mentioned, we continued to execute on our share repurchase program in the third quarter purchasing over 369000 shares for approximately $41 million at an average price of $111 37.
If you recall in August our board approved an incremental share repurchase program, allowing the company to repurchase up to a total of $250 million of its outstanding common shares.
At the end of the third quarter, we had $227 million available under the remaining authorizations.
This repurchase program is an important means for us to return value to shareholders as evidenced by our activity this quarter.
Now, let's turn to slide 12 to discuss our updated outlook for the consolidated full year 2021.
As we entered the second half of 2021, we saw three factors driving our topline growth.
<unk> conditions in our residential end markets, both in North America, and the U K.
Our efforts to increase capacity to support customer demand.
And additional pricing actions across our segments to help mitigate inflationary pressures.
These remain the three driving factors yet the dynamics behind them have evolved as we approach the end of the year.
Residential end market demand remains resilient, however, labor and logistics constraints in the markets. We serve are impacting building products companies as a whole and our customers.
As a result, we have seen the building process elongated, creating a potential lag and near term order rates.
We expect this impact will be transitory and we remain bullish about the long term health of our residential end markets.
U S. New home construction has not kept pace with demand and as a result, the U S housing stock is under built in.
In addition, the aging of the existing stock has created robust growth opportunities in the repair and remodeling market.
Coupled with an improving commercial end market, we feel positive about our demand backdrop as we approach 2022.
Okay.
Second our team has worked hard to enhance capacity however, the broader labor and logistics environment continues to impact our ability to service demand.
Unless these conditions approve improve ahead of our planned capacity expansions, we would expect this to be an ongoing production headwind.
Lastly, we have successfully implemented additional pricing actions across our segments to mitigate inflationary pressures in.
In our North American residential segment, we expect to realize the full benefit of all three previously implemented price increases during the fourth quarter.
These price increases along with additional actions taken in our Europe and architectural segments should drive continued strength in AEP during the fourth quarter.
With these dynamics in mind, we now expect year on year consolidated net sales growth of 15% to 17% compared to our prior outlook of 17% to 20%.
This updated outlook reflects a slight decrease in the benefit of foreign exchange.
From a cost perspective, we expect the environment to remain challenging as we exit the year.
Material inflation rates have trended largely as expected, peaking in the third quarter and now moderating slightly, albeit at significantly higher levels on a year on year basis.
We continue to expect material inflation to be in the low teens for the full year inclusive of tariffs and inbound freight.
As mentioned earlier, we expect the labor market to remain tight with continued year on year wage and benefit inflation.
In addition to the incentive programs, we've instituted to attract applicants and retain employees. We have increased factory rages overall at historically high rates.
Distribution costs are expected to remain elevated as we continue to ship production across our manufacturing network to best serve our customers.
This will likely result in freight lanes and payloads that remains somewhat inefficient, which coupled with higher freight rates and inflation in packaging materials will yield increased distribution costs for the balance of 2021.
With a full benefit of the pricing actions in effect. We believe we will not only cover the dollar impact of inflation in the fourth quarter, but the margin impact as well.
Based on these assumptions around the price cost relationship and slightly lower volumes. We now expect adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $415 million to $425 million.
Compared to our prior outlook of $435 million to $455 million.
We continue to expect a return to adjusted EBITDA margin expansion during the fourth quarter and now expect full year margin will be in line with that of 2020.
Moving to earnings per share, we now expect adjusted EPS in 2021 will be in the range of $7 95.
To $8 25.
With cash taxes of 45 million to $50 million.
There is no change in our assumptions for capital expenditures as we continue to invest in the business for future growth.
We now expect full year free cash flow $150 million.
$135 million.
Given the cost and operational backdrop, we faced this year, we're pleased with our financial performance our expectation to maintain adjusted EBITDA margin levels year on year is a testament to the strength of our operations team.
We believe we are positioned for even stronger financial performance next year and expect to deliver full year adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 2022.
We'll share more specifics on our fourth quarter call when we provide our outlook for 2022.
And now I'll turn the call back to Howard for some closing comments.
Thanks, Ross I am pleased with the results this quarter and extremely thankful for the hard work and dedication of our more than 10000 masonite employees.
As we approach the end of this year. It is fair to say that 2021 has proven itself to be even more challenging year from an operational standpoint than 2020.
For these reasons I'm, even more proud of our ability to deliver another quarter of both year on year net sales and volume growth.
Higher A&P in all three segments was the primary driver of growth and offset the dollar impact of inflation in the quarter.
Growth was further supported by continued strength in our residential end market demand, but our ability to service. These customers was impacted by labor and logistics constraints.
We strengthened leadership capabilities to support future growth with the appointment of new leaders in both our Europe and North American residential business segments.
We also named our first Chief Sustainability officer to help drive our continued ESG journey.
We plan to drive further growth through our continued investment in the business, specifically, new product development and targeted capacity expansions.
With the uncertainty around the labor market. We believe this incremental capacity will help us better service customers in these dynamic times.
Finally, we've updated our 2021 outlook to reflect the continued impact of labor and logistics constraints. We believe we will see across the markets. We operate in and our expectation that we will achieve a favorable price cost relationship in the fourth quarter and full year.
Despite the significant inflation and operational challenges our team has faced this year, we expect to maintain adjusted EBITDA margin in line with that of 2020, and we believe the actions we have taken position us for margin expansion in 2022.
And with that I'd like to open the call to questions.
Operator.
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Our first question is from Josh Chan with Baird. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.
Good morning.
Good morning, I guess since Chris this on the call I was just figure out to San Juan his way.
Yeah. So so Chris you've been on the job for about two months here or so could you just share some of your initial thoughts about what what do you feel are the strength of the business and where it might be some opportunities.
Where are you focusing your time in the near term.
Yes, sure great to meet you too, yes to start off with no before joining the company I spend a bit of time researching the products and also digging in on the Investor day presentation in our strategy and over the first couple of months here spent a lot of time with our customers actually had a chance to visit a few of our manufacturing sites and have also.
Then really spending a lot of time with the team as part of my ramp up.
I'd say one of my biggest observations and kind of takeaways as been early on that our opportunity is frankly, a lot bigger and more compelling than what I. Originally thought coming in we talked a lot about the doors that do more strategy and becoming more consumer centric and when I look at it through the lens of our customer partnerships and really what we can do in the mark.
We'll get the overall kind of industry macros and also frankly the talent level that we have an inside the company really has been.
Above expectations experience for me as I walked in the door. So 90 generally we've got the right strategy I see a ton of potential right now, it's all about turning that into execution and frankly, I'm really excited to roll up my sleeves and get a chance to dig in as the months come along here.
That's great. Thanks for taking out of there and then my follow up is I guess on the overall demand cadence.
So it is the revenue reduction.
Solely due to production and so whereas anything thats not produce is there in terms of extended backlog just could you talk a little bit about the cadence of underlying demand.
Relative to the guidance there.
Yes, Josh it's Russ let.
Let me share a little bit of perspective on that.
Well first of all I'm going to assume your questions. It's highlighting more on the North American residential business I would say in North America. What we've seen is the retail demand has been very steady very resilient, we see continued demand for products in the repair and renovation channels.
On the wholesale side or largely newbuild.
What we saw is that order flow was strong early in the quarter June and July and then we saw a drop off in September now. It's since recovered. It is recovered into October and we're seeing early signs of continued recovery into November so what we're attributing this to is what we're hearing a lot from our channel partners about some error.
Pockets down channel with the builders and the contractors. The fact that they are also struggling with labor as we and everyone else in the industry are and Theyre also struggling in some cases getting other materials that they need to the job site when they need them.
And thats, creating an elongated build cycle and so we would attribute that slowdown in September to that slowing order flow down channel from our distributors and it's allowing them to manage their inventories prudently as they go into the end of the year, but we are seeing recovery there.
That's great color. Thanks, Thanks for the time guys.
Thanks, Josh Thanks, Josh.
Our next question is with Michael Rehaut with Jpmorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, This is Maggie on for Mike. Thanks for taking my question.
Good morning, Matt.
Following up on the question about <unk>.
Top line cadence I, just want to make sure that I'm kind of understanding everything correctly.
So it seems that for <unk>.
The commentary around the labor and logistics impacting the build process.
It seems that youll see a volume decline.
Kelly is youre going to see more of that price come through.
Just that thats kind of how it seems to work out to get to the full year guidance, but can you talk about.
How you're thinking about it.
Volume.
Volume cadence specifically into 2022.
Yeah, Hey, Mike, It's Russ maybe let me start that and provide a little bit of color on what we think Q4 looks like and then Howard may want to jump in with a longer term view, but if you take a look at our revised guide and what that implies for Q4. It would suggest that we're going to be up.
Net sales wise call. It six ish percent right mid single digits. A couple of things you need to take into account. We did have a 50 <unk> operating week in the prior year, we think thats worth as much as 6%.
Growth and then we also have the impact of the divestiture of our Czech business, which while small is roughly a point on a consolidated basis. So if you were to take that that implied guide for the fourth quarter net sales growth and normalized for those factors you'd be looking at more of a mid teens growth, which when you laid out on.
On top of 16, 5% growth in the fourth quarter last year Youre looking at a two year stack of circa 30%.
Those are some factors I don't want to make sure you take into account.
That said do we think it could be even stronger than that if we had full access to labor and materials for certain of our products, Yes, we do.
We are seeing the same supply chain and labor constraints that most everyone across the industry is seeing.
We're not planning for that to suddenly and recklessly recover in the fourth quarter. So we're taking that into account when we assume our volume is probably going to be.
Lat to modestly down and then most of the increase is going to be driven by price.
Yes.
Yes, I am sorry, Maggie if I can if I can just weigh in a little bit into into 2022. We think the macros are continue to be really strong demand is going to be good for our product as Russ said, we've had some labor pretty well documented I think broadly labor challenges they do seem to be improving we're starting to see some.
<unk> applicants in September and early October and its a matter of getting them into our facilities and getting them trained that did create some inefficiencies in Q3 and as Russ said likely into Q4, but this isn't a long term I don't I don't believe this is a long term problem, we've just got to get through.
This situation, but demand is going to be good.
Into Q1 in 2022.
Got it.
Really helpful. Thank you.
And then just second line on <unk>.
Price cost you mentioned that.
With the full impact of your price increases coming through and for kill them you would expect to fully offset inflation I just wanted to confirm that.
You're expecting to offset with the price increases that you have already announced and implemented and then I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about how you're thinking about the potential for further price increases into 2022.
Yes, so obviously mag, it's been a quite an unusual year with inflation.
Commented that we're upwards of 20% inflation in Q3, we think that might moderate just a little bit in Q4. So we've had to be a very aggressive in price much more so than I think historic I've only two years of history here, but we.
We've taken multiple price increases across our businesses with that ultimate goal of staying ahead on this price cost relationship.
We're able to cover inflation in real dollar terms in Q3, we think that in Q4 with the full effect of the last August.
Most recent August increase.
We will get back to margin growth as far as the future goes we always look.
Again to keep that price cost relationship favorable to understand what consumers are willing to pay for our products. We will obviously want to continue to differentiate with products to provide more value and mix with A&P, but we're going to we're going to continue to do the right things pricing is going to continue to be an arrow in our quiver.
Alright.
So that we will shoot right.
Two.
Sure that we have positive price cost relationship.
Got it thank you.
Our next question is from Mike Dahl with RBC capital markets. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, This is actually Chris kalata on for Mike Thanks for taking my questions.
I just wanted to touch I just want to touch on.
The full year 'twenty two comments you made on margins expecting those to be up year over year.
Was hoping maybe you can help flush out some of the some of the drivers there obviously it sounds like price cost you expect it to improve.
Through the year. It also looks like you guys put out a fairly sizable price increase at the start of the year for your interior store.
Next I was wondering how much you expect that to be the price cost dynamic would be driving that outlook relative to overhead leverage and some of the other margin drivers out there.
Yes, Chris It's Russ let me kick off with this one and as we look into 2022.
There are probably two primary factors that will take into account. One is the fact that as we've already talked about we put a significant amount of price in place across 2021 in our North American residential business right an increase at the beginning of the year. One in late June one in early August.
And we're going to see the full benefit in Q4, and then into 2022 now we make it a practice not to talk prospectively about price that's not yet in the market. So I'll withhold commentary on the pricing strategy or anything Thats been announced in early 2022, what I would say, though.
Is that we are formulating our viewpoint on what inflation looks like which is the second item as we go into 2022, and we're taking that into account when we set our pricing strategy. We think inflation is going to moderate somewhat on a year on year percentage basis as we go into 2022 now the.
First half of the year, we're going to continue to see some significant headwinds just because of the comp because we've seen material inflation accelerate significantly across 2021 and went from 7% in the first quarter to circa 13% in the second quarter, two approaching 20% in the third quarter, probably it will.
A level off.
And dropped a little bit on a percentage basis from that in the fourth quarter. So we're going to see some some continued inflation in material next year and that's going to be taken into account when we set pricing and as Howard said, its always going to be around maintaining a favorable price cost relationship and so we're taking that inflationary pressure into account as well as inflation.
That we anticipate could continue on the labor logistics fronts.
Understood I appreciate the color there.
And touching on the kind of production.
And that that outlook into next year, obviously labor and supply constraints or are likely to be longer lasting so with all your new capacity announcements and how are you thinking about just general production capacity kind of into the back end of next year, given all the moving pieces.
Yes. Thanks for the question, Chris We've made a couple of announcements on new plants, and obviously those will have a pretty significant impact on capacity generally, but we've also been taking action throughout the year on targeted equipment in certain factories and incremental shifts in order to increase capacity.
All of which are coming online and helping now when we talk about shifts we've talked about labor and it's been it's been a challenge to go out and recruit a full shifts of people and so it's taken longer than we might have hope now as I said, we're starting to see an increase in applicants.
Sort of across the board starting in September, but theres, a number of capacity initiatives going on to ensure that we can best service our customers. The most significant are which are the plants in south Carolina and in the UK for our exterior business, but lots of capacity projects going on across the network.
Got it appreciate the color.
Our next question is from Reuben Garner with the benchmark company. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks, Good morning, everybody.
Okay.
Maybe just a follow up to a question earlier Russ.
Thank you mentioned.
Distributors, maybe being hesitant on the inventory side, if I heard that correctly if not please please correct me, but my question is more on the retail side I know you don't necessarily have that not all of your products are inventory, but are you seeing any hesitancy from the retailers too.
I guess.
Take advantage of a seasonally soft period to load up on as much product as they can to get ready for for next year.
After all of the inflation and maybe the slowdown in R&R that we saw over the summer.
Yes, Reuben, it's Russ to clarify or I don't know that I'd.
Use the word hesitant.
I think it's just a matter of as builders and contractors down channel from our distribution.
As they are starting to see their building process or Theyre building cycle elongate as theyre seeing delays across other material categories and some difficulty in some cases scheduling their labor and their subs at the pace that they originally anticipated that's forcing them to slow their pace of build a little bit and thats slowed.
Order flow backup into the distribution channel and so the distributors are just being smart about managing their inventories that go into the end of the year.
Again, I think I use the word air pocket, we are seeing clear evidence that the order flow is now recovering in October into November so that feels like more of a temporary pause as people digested that kind of step level change in the build cycle and now we're expecting the strong demand backdrop that still sits behind new construction generally.
To create new flow through demand on the retail side again I'll go back to what I said before it's it's been steady we have not seen any dramatic inflection up or down in a retail demand that order flow has remained pretty consistent and no.
No evidence that it is going to bounce around a lot between now and the end of the year.
And that demand I think this is Howard is Pos demand as well as inventory I think that the retail inventory has improved slightly but it's not like there.
Knowing their inventory significantly which is what's driving that demand I think Pos has been good at retail steady as Ross says.
Throughout the quarter and year.
Okay.
Got it thanks for clarifying.
And then.
You mentioned, a number of factors that seem to be.
In large part one time.
On the on the cash flow side. This year can you maybe quantify for us.
The factors or it's.
Said differently can you help us with ways to think about.
The free cash flow profile of the business moving into next year.
Well I think the two primary factors I would point to for this year are want to rebuild in working capital.
We ended 2020 at historically low working capital levels. So we expected that we would see some recovery or some build in working capital and that has indeed happened and ironically enough on a dollar basis given all the inflation we're seeing.
And what we're buying for raw material and holding in inventory through the production cycle and wallets of relatively limited amount of finished goods inventory that we hold is also at much higher values, just because we've taken prices up so youre seeing a pretty significant growth in working capital driven to some degree by inflation.
The other factor is as we are seeing a significant step up in our cash tax loads. This year as a result of a lot of our net operating loss carryforwards rolling off and so thats you see that our cash tax guidance step up this year from last year. So those two factors have been pretty key in 2021 as I look ahead to 2022.
We're still formulating our viewpoint on what cash looks like.
We should see working capital probably exiting this year at a more normalized level. So I don't know that theres going to be a ton of build next year again outside of normal business growth and inflationary growth.
And cash taxes were still finalizing our view on that but certainly we're in a position now is the profit position of the business continues to expand we're likely to see cash tax positions expand or payments expand as well.
Perfect. Thanks, guys and good luck managing through the rest of the year.
Okay.
Our next question is from Noah Makowski with Stephens. Please proceed.
Good morning, and thanks for taking my question.
I know.
So.
It sounds like.
Order rates in the architectural segment are starting to see some improvement do you still think maybe here in the fourth quarter that the euro year on year.
Year declines aren't going to be some steep anymore or has that been sort of pushed out until next year at this point.
Yes, thanks for asking the question Noah.
Third quarter was certainly a disappointment for us with architectural because we are beginning to see some of the inbound order rates improve as we thought we would with the Abi turning positive in February and remaining positive we knew there's a lag between doors and so we started to see that that inbound order rates.
Improved Unfortunately, we had some situations occur in that business, primarily on the labor front that prevented us from being able to supply all of that demand and so the.
Sure.
The volume the top line Miss is really internal this year.
And Unfortunately, we had a couple of big pockets of Covid.
That took two of our factories not completely out of commission, but pretty significant capacity.
Downfall, there for several weeks and then little things like this is a story you can't believe it but we had a tornado go through an area, where one of our plants was and so people go to the tornado shelter in the plant, which obviously is the smaller room, we had 18 people in a tornado shelter.
Whether pass through the next day, one of those 18 tested positive for Covid and so do our ensuring that people stay safe. We are quarantine requirements with close contact and we lost 18 people for a period of time due to close contact again had the tornado not gone through we would have lost one because we ensure social distancing in our.
Factories to the best extent, we can and so it's little things like that where just like Oh My gosh, we're starting to see that demand recover as we expected and we were not able to capitalize on it in the third quarter. So.
We remain very bullish on the business. We think we're doing the right things from a structural perspective demand is recovering and.
It's our obligation to be able to service that demand.
Alright. Thanks, Thanks, that's helpful and maybe sticking with architectural here as we think about a commercial recovery next year.
It sounds like labor is going to play out.
Roeland, possibly governing that growth, but just what are your early thoughts on what volume growth could look like in that segment for next year.
We're as Ralph said, we're formulating that we're right in the middle of our annual operating cycle process, and obviously that business took a significant hit much more significant hit with Covid. So we would expect to return to volume growth. We're not prepared on this call to talk specifically about that but we do expect.
Growth in that business, we certainly expect to be able to service that growth better with the things we're doing in our factories, we talked about some structural things that we're doing with equipment machining centers in flex.
Flexibility of that network, which has been a series of.
Acquisitions over the last number of years so.
I'm not going to talk specifically, but suffice it to say we're disappointed with the performance of that segment. This year, we absolutely expect better results next year.
Alright, Thanks, I appreciate it and I'll leave it there.
Thanks, Paul.
Our next question comes from Kevin Hocevar with Northcoast.
North Coast Research. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning, everybody.
Doug.
When I think about the if I back into the fourth quarter the guidance.
What's implied in the fourth quarter.
It seems like the midpoint suggests EBITDA margins and maybe the mid teens mid fifteens or something.
In the fourth quarter, which is down sequentially from the third quarter.
Kind of where you were so but it sounds like pricing is in the third quarter. It sounds like pricing after the dollar value.
Inflation it sounds like in the fourth quarter, it will offset the dollar value adds.
Seemingly the.
The margin impact as well so still improving there. So I guess I'm curious can you help me understand kind of the margin degradation. There sequentially is it it does seem like there is some seasonality in the fourth quarter tends to be lower than the third so would you just kind of normal seasonal patterns or is it.
Anything beyond that.
Other from distribution or factory or any of that inflation getting worse I'm just trying to understand the moving pieces. There in terms of the progression of the margin here.
Yes, Kevin it's Russ I chalk that up primarily to the fact that you traditionally see.
Margin step down from Q3 to Q4, there is some seasonality in that.
Do you have.
Fewer operating days within the quarter, just because of the holiday schedule between Thanksgiving and Christmas So fewer operating days, but certain amount of fixed overhead is going to be covered by that so it's not unusual to see a margin stripped down meaningfully from Q3 to Q4.
What's driving that year on year improvement. This year that we are predicting is the strong realization of price again as I mentioned earlier three increases that will be fully in place in the market, but inflation will continue now unfortunately.
Commodity inflation is largely behaving as we expected when we updated our viewpoint on that on our second quarter call at that time, we said, we expected inflation to approach, 20% in the third quarter moderate percentage wise, a little bit in the fourth quarter and come in about low teens for the year. It was.
I would just call it just modestly better than that in the third quarter comp call it kind of high teens percentage.
And probably still in that mid teens range in the fourth quarter, but.
Such that we get to a low teens commodity inflation for the full year, but it is certainly not tailing off.
Those are the factors that we take into account when we lay out our guidance for the full year and obviously what that implies for Q4.
Okay, Great and then.
When you say kind of inflation leveling off a bit here.
The whole basket kind of leveling off or some stuffs going up some going down and that kind of offsetting.
Curious if you could give some color in terms of between the the wood the resin.
The steel and then speaking of steel too.
I believe you guys do like collars around the steel. So obviously there was a lot of inflation. This year. So I'm curious the impact was that a big headwind for you guys. This year or does that kind of get deferred to next year because of how these colors are structured curious if you could give some color on that yes, just kind of the piece and then steel specifically as we think about.
This year next year.
Yes. The short answer is we're seeing inflation across every one of the baskets that we buy so wood chemicals steel glass and packaging for that matter also which impacts.
Our distribution costs.
But the greatest inflation that we're seeing are in our first and second largest baskets not being wood and chemicals.
In the area of wood, we're seeing stubbornly high inflation and industrial grade lumber, we buy the industrial grades as opposed to dimensional grade.
And that has remained relatively high and there have been supply chain constraints globally, it's forced us to shift some of our buy around.
And in fact, we manage our.
Our global buyer cut stock on a regular basis to shift supply amongst regions, where we can get the best quality and best price. We've had a couple of those regions impacted by Covid protocols right. Some of the suppliers in Brazil were shut down for an extended period. Some of the suppliers in Malaysia were shut down for an extended period that forced us to move actually more.
All of our buyback into China, and incur higher tariffs. So those are all factors that have driven wood inflation at an outsized rate chemicals.
Right. It's all the stuff that's impacted by the upstream.
That kind of shortages, so adhesives and resins. Some the blowing agents that we use to fill the cavities of our exterior doors, we've seen outsized inflation in those two areas as.
As we look forward to 2022 Im glad you asked the question about steel we.
We've seen inflation in steel this year, but not dramatically so because of the long term contracts that we buy Anders insulated us a little bit this year those contracts are under negotiation for reset. So it's possible that we will see higher inflation in metals actually in 2022 than we did in 2021. So again, we're still finalizing our viewpoint there.
I want to be too specific on 2022, but we will have that laid out and you have a little bit more detail when we give our.
Our guide on the Q4 call.
Okay, Great alright, thank you very much.
Thanks, Kevin.
Our next question comes from Jay Mccanless with Wedbush. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, Thanks for taking my questions.
Russ you actually just answered the question I was going to ask around would it doesn't sound like things are getting any better there.
Could you maybe talk about what you are looking at going into 'twenty, two there's alternative means of sourcing.
Well I think the strategies that our sourcing team has laid out.
Probably benefited us at the margin a little bit it does not feel good to pay the rates of inflation that we are in lumber, but when I think about the job that that team did three years ago. When they were trying to diversify the global wood basket to help us.
Reduce the impact of section 301 tariffs that were implemented in China, that's probably giving us greater flexibility to move the by amongst other Asian nations like.
Malaysia, which I mentioned or Vietnam and southern Cal.
Both American markets, such as Brazil, So thats going to continue to be a playbook.
There is probably additional work that the sourcing team can do to qualify other sources on a global basis in all candor. They haven't had a lot of time this year to do that because they have been dealing with an incredible amount of supply chain disruptions globally. So a lot of their time and attention has been focused on just maintaining continuity of supply as opposed to the.
Extensive work on qualification of alternative suppliers.
We would like to hope that as the supply chain stabilizes into next year. They can devote more time and attention to that aspect. So that's going to continue to be a strategy that they will pursue.
Got it.
And then.
Good to hear about steady demand at retail, but as we think ahead to next year, what what are the big customers, telling you or are they thinking little higher inventory levels, a little lower what's how are your customers feeling about the spring of next year.
Yes, Jay.
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For some time with our big wholesale customers and big retail customers recently, and I think generally speaking.
Everybody feels pretty good about the demand environment. So.
This year, our customers take a different approach to inventory and some admittedly said look we're going to try to accumulate some inventory well. We think we can as things are on allocation and whatnot. So at least we have a buffer we have others that don't choose to do that but generally speaking from a demand perspective, everybody feels pretty good as Russ talked about this.
Potential elongation in the cycle now in fact, I was with an executive from a.
Large national Homebuilder recently and.
He said to you know its a bit of a moving target we might be short on garage doors. This week and next week.
Along gate that build cycle, a little bit so we see all of it.
Retention, a little lag there, but we don't think that it's demand related generally and I don't believe our customers do either so we're feeling good about we're feeling good about 2022 and advanced the demand environment and the things we're doing from a capacity perspective to be able to service that demand.
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Thanks, Ed.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session and I would like to turn the call back over to Zac.
For closing remarks.
Thank you Maria and thank you all for joining US today, we appreciate your interest and continued support.
This concludes our call.
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