Q3 2021 Liberty Media Corp Earnings Call
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by welcome to the Liberty Media Corporation 2021, Q3 earnings call.
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As a reminder, this conference is being recorded November 4th 2021.
I would now like to turn the conference over to coordinate Chang Chief portfolio Officer.
Please go ahead.
Thank you good morning, before we begin we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward looking statements within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those mentioned in Liberty media. Its most recent Form 10-K, and 10-Q are Liberty media.
Acquisitions form S. One registration filed with the SEC.
These forward looking statements speak only as of the date of this call and Liberty media and Liberty Media acquisition expressly disclaim any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward looking statements contained herein to reflect any change in liberty media or Liberty Media acquisition Corporation expectations with regard there too.
Or any change in events conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based on today's call. We will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for Liberty media, and Sirius XM, including adjusted OIBDA and adjusted EBITDA, the required definitions and reconciliations for Liberty media and Sirius XM schedules, one and two can be found at the end of the earnings press <unk>.
Please issued today, which is available on Liberty Media's website now I'd like to turn the call over to Greg Maffei, Liberty's President and CEO.
Courtney and good morning to all of you.
Today speaking on the call. We will also have formula one's president and CEO, Stefano Domenicali, and Liberty's, Chief accounting and principal financial Officer, Brian Wendling.
This quarter no surprise, we're going to start with the Braves World Champions for the first time since 1995.
I'm, Karen <unk>, playing ball and in life.
A person occasionally gives us the opportunity to something great. When the time comes only two things matter.
Be prepared to seize the moment and having the courage to take your best way.
The Braves did that and I want to thank Ted Turner reminding us of that quote so congrats to our tremendous players for their performance the branch light.
Smith, whom.
All the players has such well deserved admiration.
Alex Anthophilous with an excellent mid season trade and to the rest of our top quality Braves management team, Terry Mike and Derrick.
That's all the Braves country most of all.
This was an excellent team effort, particularly in game six in Houston, starting with Soliris Ginormous 500 ish three run Homer and a third that cleared the train tracks.
And Max freed pitching a lights out despite it spiked in the first inning.
Amazing comeback since the all star break when we were $44 45, and the team wisely invest in talent that trade headlines, which help trying to season around and also generated a great financial performance.
As I said the financial performance of the team was as impressive as the on field performance the.
The season to date baseball revenue per home game is up 11% compared to 2019 and retail per caps are up 33% versus 2019.
The Braves ended the season number two and major League baseball and regular attendance at $2 3 million. This is close to our historical average of two point forward, despite only reaching 100% capacity in may.
With our Azbill success.
Already sold thousands of new season ticket plans for the 2022 season.
The battery was booming throughout the playoffs.
And we estimate crowds were well in excess of 100000 for each of our World series games very exciting.
So let me turn now to Liberty Sirius XM. This morning, we also had some good news going over 80% at Sirius XM through a tax free exchange and we now expect it to be an ATB accordingly, all future distributions from CRE will be tax free.
We did continue our share repurchases repurchasing 98 million across the as in the case from August through September excuse me through October.
The discount remains and we repurchased at a look through price <unk> of just over $4. We continue to take advantage of that discount.
We also sold our entire our stake at an average price of $25 31 per share for after tax proceeds of 175 million the majority of which we sold after quarter end in October.
This was well timed.
We sold the stock for a 40% pretax gain.
This investment was intended to take an option an adjacent business.
But we like the hand, we have a series and now have additional cash to fuel incremental buybacks.
Looking at Syria itself strong results for the quarter 616000 self pay net adds the highest quarterly figure ever recorded.
We obtained our full year guidance in nine months.
We also reported for the quarter, the highest revenue and EBITDA ever.
We have a continued focus on growing engagement outside the vehicle. Perhaps you saw are very entertaining series Sirius XM House AD campaign.
And we have been driving impressive growth on the advertising platform with revenue up 31%.
We are back to producing live content and experiences will small where our small stage series and we hosted Dave Matthews Brandi Carlisle coal play and John Millennium.
Further on content, we completed an investment in our content agreement audio App, which will create new original scripted podcast for the series platforms.
Turning briefly to live nation I'd noted reports later today, so I really can't comment on the results other than to say demand has endured as now being met with supply.
And we are pleased with the equity performance up 43% year to date.
Turning to Formula one group or a thrilling season continues.
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Among the rest of the drivers there are tightened competition across the grid.
And then the Constructors championship Mercedes and Red Bull fighting for first with Mclaren and Ferrari in a tight battle for third.
Fans are attending and tuning it we have never seen such a crowded Austin for example, which set an ethylene attends red attendance record over the race weekend of the 400000 people that showed up in Austin, almost 70% were attending their first Grand Prix usually this figure is more like in the mid thirties.
Stefano will discuss in a moment reasonably results released results of FY <unk> survey in our Democratic is skewing younger something few other sports can play.
We are already looking towards 2022 and have announced a 23 race calendar. We are excited to have our second race in the U S and welcome the Miami GP and May demand is high 275000 people pre registered to purchase tickets.
As compared to a planned capacity of around 80000.
800 people have placed a 5000 dollar deposit for luxury hospitality.
Paddock club and suites sold throughout threats they sold out the available inventory the first day we.
We've also sold through the available grandstand tickets in the first day.
Turning briefly the Almac, we continue to review opportunities. We believe the changes in the stock market will ultimately be to liberty's benefit and with that I'd like to turn it over to Brian for more on our financial results.
Thank you Greg hard to follow that but we'll give it our best try and good morning, everyone.
Sirius XM group has attributed cash and liquid investments of approximately $165 million plus $50 million in public debt and equity securities at the corporate level.
This excludes $164 million of cash held directly at Sirius XM.
We also have $1 1 billion of Undrawn margin loan capacity at the parent level.
Note that a portion of our cash will be used in early 2022 to repay our $2 two 5% live nation exchangeable bonds.
We issued the redemption notice on these bonds just after the quarter.
Just on the fair value of the liability at quarter end the amount of cash used would be $532 million.
On November three the value of our Sirius XM stock held at Liberty Siriusxm group pro forma for the exchange and announced today was almost 28 billion and the value of live nation stock held was $7 3 billion we.
We have $3 2 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings.
Total Liberty Sirius XM group attributed principal amount of debt was $13 1 billion, which includes $8 9 billion of debt at Sirius XM.
As you saw in our earnings release, the Liberty Sirius XM group outstanding share count as of 10 31 pro forma for the exchange would have been 336 million shares.
Formula One group had attributed cash and liquid investments of $1 6 billion at quarter end, which excludes $585 million of cash at that point.
At one group also had $194 million of public debt and equity securities.
Formula One group attributed principal amount of debt was $3 4 billion, which includes $2 9 billion of debt at Epsilon, leaving $546 million at the corporate level.
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In Formula one leverage at the end of the quarter was five six times very near our target range of five to five five times.
Note that we are still in a period of covenant waiver until March of 2022.
Please also note that beginning January one 2021 of one began reclassifying certain components previously reported in other half one revenue into primary F. One revenue.
Better align with the way it currently evaluating.
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Bonus reclassified into primary F. One revenue include F. One TV subscriptions up two and half three related fees broadcast origination and support fees and digital advertising among others. Additional detail included is including the impact of the revenue reclassification for the years ended December 31, 19% and 20 can be found in schedule III of our earned.
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At quarter end Braves group had attributed cash and liquid investments of $134 million, which excludes $83 million of restricted cash raise group had attributed principal amount of debt of 721 million.
Liberty and our consolidated subsidiaries are in compliance with our debt covenants at quarter end.
With that I'll turn it over to Stefano to discuss Formula one.
Thanks, Brian the 2021 season continues to underline F. One position as the undisputed pinnacle of motor sport.
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With the lead going back and forth almost everybody's.
This continues to produce breathtaking moments such as the Monza, where they come in together, so Mexico and up on the top of Louise and in Austin, where we were.
Witnesses are speed of debt raise to emerge ahead offset somewhat.
Fewest bustle extend further down the field.
We continue to see valid phases on the podium include the one and two for Mclaren month Sheikh of finding these drive the verbal and so that has returned to the pausing as such in.
In the consecutive championship, let's say this is managing to retain the slightly deliberate with the fight for the third between Mcleod and cirrhotic even close.
We held our second screens event in London, which was a gain well received and certainly impacted the Saturday race outcome.
We will hold our third and final safety events in Brazil, and actively collecting feedback to make this place events, even better in 2022.
As restrictions have started to be easier we have seen the return of large crowds two hour basis, many at capacity and the public cloud is operating fully once again.
We were thrilled as for example for the first time since 1985.
Orange Army came out in full force to see Max weak and the promoter over delivered in every aspect in Austin, we welcomed 140000, Sandy and set the new attendances ratio with 400000 over the weekend.
We finalized the 2021 kolenda with cut that scene at the weekend of November 1921, thereby creating the three rates run in the middle East to the end of 2021 season.
This agreement is part of a longer 10 year deals starting in 2023.
Africa tab host the FIFA World Cup in 2022.
The draw in pulp with attitude formal one has never been greater.
This is reinforced by a recently published in Nielsen them multiple survey covering 187 countries.
But disciplined identified that's exciting is formula one number one brand attribute with competitive and entertaining also making the top five for the first day. The central of response was the largest and most diverse ever with female participation doubling and the average age.
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We know we are moving in the right direction and engagement remained strong across all platforms.
On the digital front unique users across the <unk> website and App. This year up 56% compared to 2020, social engagement continues to grow reaching nearly 35 million social interaction, but the S&P, 52% higher than the last two <unk> two <unk>.
In 19, and 80 million social interaction for the 10 GB a record number for what.
The total number of those following <unk> social media now stands at over $45 million.
<unk> to the Navy and we have seen strong growth over 2020, and 2019 in many markets, notably, France, The Netherlands, Greece, Spain, Hungary, and the United States.
<unk> TB remains a great way for us to catch all the action of the race weekends.
Peak concurrent view four races days have consistently been more than two seven.
Seven times higher than 2020 season leverage we were excited to announce a 23 race calendar 2022.
It is a great mix of historic and new other venues and we will welcome Miami, which will be our second race in the United States.
We look forward to this calendar, which when paired with the new regulation and cause designed to create closer racing should produce another thing we.
We do hope that 2022 feels more normal than the last two years, but we can draw on the skills. We have one to deal with any challenges that we continue to face due to the ongoing pandemic condition, China will not be included on the 2022 calendar, but will be restored to the calendar as soon as conditions.
Allow and we look forward to our long term partnership.
We remain in the invaluable position of demand of races continue to exceed the available supply of weekends in the area of media rights. We made two announcements following the news that the top sports channels in Asia would close we have reached agreement with multiple broadcast partners across the region through the.
End of 2022 season.
This ensures that our friends in Singapore, Thailand, the Philippines, Malaysia.
Indonesia, Vietnam, Myanmar, and the Chinese have Mississippi region of Hong Kong can watch the conclusion of the 2021 season and every race in 2022.
We also extended the agreements with the <unk> in Japan, and India, India.
On the other side of the World, we extended our successful broadcast partnership with cannot boost in France.
24, which includes they have dedicated differential.
Session from full grumpy weekends will be broadcast live in three to add alone with event highlights throughout the week.
We continue to work with our commercial partners and announced the Crypto come Overtake Award. In addition to the title sponsorship of our spring events. It will be awarded to the driver was completed the most of it takes throughout the entirety of the 2021 season, which currently is a battle between two veteran.
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This doesn't 'twenty one Epsilon esports see this approach helps you presented by Amcor is now two events seen following our highest ever number of fans attempted to quantify.
Drivers continued to ways to remotely, but the hugely popular competition is broadcast live from the GE Infinity esports and London, along with the live shows that include naturally Pinkham, Tom Deacon and the chemicals the.
The action in the broad championship is mirroring the action of the drug with multiple volume finish it across the first six races. This year qualification now open through a challenge is the official FY 'twenty one the video game developed by Codemasters in line with our goal of be net zero carbon by 2030, we have.
Aiming to help develop a 100% sustainable fuel for our new generation of Puma one hybrid engines.
The focus is on the drop in fuel that can be used as a standard internal combustion engines, we dealt any modifications to the engine with a target to achieve greenhouse gas emission savings of at least 65% relative to fossil decorative pretzels there.
The impact of this development could be enormous with one 8 billion cost estimated to be all of the road by 2030 with only 8% of those being fueled battery and that's with vehicles internal combustion engine and hybrid will continues to be essential to avon's see travel as well as the hopefully induce.
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Our partners are all focused on ESG initiatives Williams set an ambitious target to be climate positive by 2030.
They have launched a comprehensive sustainability strategy that encompasses the climate biodiversity stewardship sustainable innovation in the successful all the purpose driven leadership.
On the promoter side. They go below the Frost became the first grumpy organizer to receive the highest level of certification by the FIA their commitment to our sustainable development approach includes the elimination of single use plastics on mobility plan that significantly reduce the carbon footprint or spectator travel and a strong commitment to social response.
With 17 races completed and well on our way to delivering the championship breakers. The 'twenty two this season, despite the ongoing pandemic I'm. So incredibly proud of the <unk> team and all our partners the flexibility of the purse evidenced display all year is truly impressive and it has been sort of awash.
And so we see huge number of fence backup races celebrating our sport.
We will see the enormous opportunity in front of us and we are committed to our vision.
The aperture to grow and continue to evolve, but we spoke of.
I wanted to touch full speed ahead, and now I will turn the call back over to Greg. Thank you Bye bye.
Thanks, Stefano and Brian.
And to our listening audience, we look forward to seeing you on Thursday November 18th at our annual Investor meeting.
We'll experience will be offered in person at the New York Times Center and virtually the link to register it can be found on our homepage. Please note all in person attendees must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
We appreciate your continued interest in Liberty media and hope you all stay safe and healthy.
And with that operator, I'd like to open up for questions.
Thank you.
Take our first question from Bryan Kraft with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thank you and good morning, and congrats on the Braves, winning the World series.
I had two questions.
One on IR and one on Formula one on Formula One you seem optimistic that 'twenty two we'll market returned to full operating performance.
I mean that happens do you think 22 could be the year, where we see for the first time all of the benefits over the last four and a half years initiatives coming together at once to drive financial performance. It is really a step change higher than 2019 pre Covid and then my other question is.
Just curious Greg what made you decide to sell your <unk> stock is that no longer a strategic interest for Sirius XM. So just what changed there. Thanks.
Well I think I'll, let Stefan I'll comment on the Formula one as well.
Look I think 2022, we're going to see a return of many elements of the business, but we'll everything come to pass and will we be on.
New higher plateau I think it's just the beginning and we will see continued success from that level and above.
While everything come together.
Always hard to predict not only because some of the issues around.
What contracts get executed and what sponsorship opportunities, but obviously could there be the risk of attendance issues into 2022 with COVID-19.
To be determined but I do think we will perform better in 2022% in 2021 and better than we did in 19 substantially better and I think the trend continues to be up.
Definitely I don't know what you would add.
I would say, Greg you synthesize appropriately what I believe.
And of course, you said the one thing that is really important.
The success, we were able to do to lead that this year. Despite the pandemic was due to the soft, but we were flexible and with the other themes with the partners with the promoters to make sure that we would then.
I think it is too low.
Put into perspective, because we don't know exactly how this is Alicia develop of course, we believe that we can see you mitigate the situation is improving and I would say that all the elements on all the initiatives that we put in place over the last couple of years for sure. We've got a pay back starting next year.
And as far as <unk> we.
We took a stake because we thought it was attractive and creates a potential optionality, it's not something we're looking to pursue so it seemed to make sense to recognize the gain we had and utilize the proceeds to go after our own discount on our own opportunities.
Got it okay. Thanks to you both I appreciate it thanks for the question and thanks for the call out on the Braves.
Thank you we take our next question from Vijay Jayant with Evercore. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Good morning, So Greg did interesting transaction at least we started out last night.
Im just curious.
Why is that with the structure.
Stock swap with a shareholder to increase the honest it looks like your past, 80% on Sirius now.
Does that.
It sort of suggests that this could be qualified as an ATB. If that is the case now you'd probably have three ATB.
January I think probably the one becomes an ATV so.
What does that mean are we sort of undoing the whole tracking stock structure, what are the flexibility does that get to.
Thoughts on that thanks.
Yes.
Well I think you rightly noted we to undertook a transaction, where we did a tax free exchange to make.
And ATB out of this.
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And our famous line around here is no plan or intent.
And Thats one we if you ever visit my office Youll see I have some pillows would you say that thank you for courtesy of accordingly, but look our <unk>.
Our whole idea is to create optionality, we have nothing to announce today about that we would've gone over 80, probably with serious as continued buyback, but the way we transacted with a tax free exchange allowed to become an ATB or something we expect will be an ATB and great optionality and flexibility so no plans, but we always like.
Having atb's can have enough of them.
Great. Thanks, so much.
Thank you and we'll take our next question from Jeffrey Dodge check with people policy Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Good morning, and I'll also congratulate you guys on the break is winning the World series I think that was kind of out of left field for a lot of folks so congratulations and crossing 80% barrier in theory.
I guess I'll follow up on the CRE question with the obligatory now that Youre at 80.
Should we expect something like what Youre doing charter, where youll maintain your stake around 80, and then participate.
Participate in the buyback and then also on Siri post their call. The U S. Steel CEO made some comments that multiple auto manufacturers are ramping their steel deliveries, implying the chip shortages it bottomed out.
Beginning in the fourth quarter first quarter.
Are you seeing the same thing from your OTA partners.
You know on the.
What we'll do we obviously have no as I said no plan or intent.
We try to keep our options open.
Would not be able to sell directly back to or sell our stock in the marketplace and hold it 80 above 80, unless we had an agreement to sell right to the company, which we do not have at this time.
So.
Probably.
Dividends are the tax free most attractive thing and we can make a determination about whether we want to sell stock into the marketplace and be above 80, we'll make that determination over time, but I would note that that would not be tax free unless we had an ability to sell directly to the company, which we do not have at this moment.
On the Saar and where they're going.
Going I think.
Things will get better that's our expectation.
But clearly the fact that we had a lower Saar for many months in the second half of 2021 means the top of the funnel is not is full we do expect it to recover in refill, but it will mean, we'll have a look.
Less opportunity for net new net adds.
Self pay net adds into 2022, so we'll see what it comes but we are optimistic that our partners will get on track, but we will have a we had a great.
Self pay net add quarter, it'll be a little tougher in 2022, as we head in unless that SAR refills so quickly.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you and we take our next question from Doug Mitchelson with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thanks, so much and congratulations on the Braves as well, Greg now, we often say that.
A couple questions was that the 253 letter agreement between Liberty and theory required for the ATB consideration I think you were implying that comments I just wanted to be sure.
We constructed a transaction, where we had a tax free exchange of our stock which that is what was required to we believe to make this an ATB.
Rather than the alternative which looked like it would might naturally occur which was to have CRE bias over excuse.
Excuse me buyback your own stock and pushes over here. So the actions we took positive action of doing a tax free exchange. We believe allows us to be an ATB.
Thanks for that and then maybe I'm missing something simple, but what was the purpose of the $2 53 letter agreement between Liberty in theory, then I'll, let I'll, let renee talked about that sure.
Sure.
Your letter agreement was actually the result of a negotiation between us and the special committee of Siriusxm.
Additional materials that needed to be delivered in connection with our Tox. We exchange that we did need to engage in a negotiation with the special Committee and this has been asked that they made and retail.
Okay and then.
Greg I think it can be hard to get you to talk too much about the relationship between Liberty Siri in Syria until the analyst day, but let me try this way is it more appealing to create long term value by taking advantage of a persistent discount over a long period as capital becomes available to do so say using theory dividends to buy back Liberty Siri shares or would you rather close the discount as rapidly as possible.
What is the better path to the greatest long term value creation.
This is a debate since the beginning of time and you could think about buybacks or buybacks to be done to buy your own stock at a discount or to try and get your stock up we generally favor the long term path and like a and that alternative but clearly there is an advantage here to seeing the discount close as well. So I think it's a win win Doug.
Okay.
Wait for the analyst day four for more on that one thank you.
Thank you we take our next question from Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Great. Thank you good morning.
And I'm not going to say anything about the Braves, it's been covered.
Yeah.
Formula One I guess two questions all of the sort of qualitative and quantitative but certainly qualitative data as the sports having an unbelievable year and I'm wondering if you could talk about sort of two opportunities. One in race promotion are you do you think youre strengthening kind of your pricing power.
Your host partners as you move into renewals over the next few years, given all the attendance trends and I realize we just came out of Covid, where things were incredibly dicey on that front, but it seems like that part of your business may have more pricing than we've seen in the past. So that's the first one and then secondly next year, you've got a new car.
The budget cap I think steps down again, you guys wanted to make this sport more attractive for new teams.
In new capital to come into the sport New engine manufacturers. I guess question is there's a lot of rumors out there, but I'm curious if you are bullish youre going to see that start to really show up in the business in 'twenty two and beyond thank you.
So I'll take the first shot and I'll, let Stefano obviously add look I think we the strength of the sport in terms of the demand and the audience helps us in many ways we've seen new.
Cities want to enter like Qatar, we've seen.
The increased performance and increased success of existing promoters for example, Austin, adding extra seating all of those.
Wow US frankly, both sides of that allow us to get a better deal and to do better both with the new partners and with the existing partners. So all to the good on the promotion side.
Stefano would you add anything on promotion.
No I think that you're totally right and we think that not only of Mcdonald CEO.
That's also something related to the quality.
All of this show that we are beginning.
What we are also keen on is offering to the people that attended the races that unique experience physical experience, where Abbott is the tumor one with all the things related to the concept and departments.
And sponsor together then leads into something that we shouldn't be so these situations is really positive data will help bolster that Ben mentioned.
Then if I may jump in on the second part of the question gradually dissipate for you.
I think that we are talking about the new regulations, we are talking about.
That is a discussion that is coming out.
The value of each team is getting.
He's getting out yet to do the investments that we are doing in the cap on the control of the cost on the fact that this 14th the better goods health. Despite the COVID-19 situation and therefore, the fact that we want to have a more attractive sports does it mean.
More teams.
But as we really are focusing in on sorry.
The new regulation will enable the cost will be more and more easy to be able to take your baidu.
To the other we have an incredible number of jobs that we cannot let that sports. So when the market will find the right balance with the fact that will be for sure new ones that want to come in this is the type of want to get the value that that are already into the sport and then.
In the discussion that we have all the heating.
In the public domain about what the future technological.
Choices that.
We have taken for the future poetry, the fact that the new manufacturing strategy with <unk>.
It's a very very encouraging situation because that.
That means that the Epsilon, let's take it there is technical decision support its future. So once again, we have really been an incredible moment of a great opportunity in order to consolidate this board that these really in a great shape today.
Yeah, and I would just echo some of the thoughts I have that Stefano said look.
What are the important things was to help the ecosystem and you've really seen the strength of the teams do so much better.
I appreciate all the kind words, they now say about liberty and about Formula one's management and I think that's because guess what the value of the teams had gone up dramatically.
And we knew that was necessary and the actions we took with the budget cap and the like and changing some of the payout all were designed to create health of the ecosystem and that's happened. So in many ways. The teams have gotten that success because it was necessary to make them healthy for us to get to build to the next level and the interest youre seeing of new entrants to come in and buy it.
Teams is only an echo of that success. So I think there's a lot of things that are setting up well for us.
But.
All of those pieces about demand all of those pieces about the strength of the system all set up well for future success.
And.
I mentioned, the 2022 is going to be a step up but certainly not the last one I think we have a long trajectory of success in front of us I'm very optimistic.
Yeah, that's great and maybe just if I could do one quick follow up on the Braves.
Not to sound like Debbie Downer after the World series, but Theres, obviously, a lot going on.
Going on with your RSM partner to say the least is that something that concerns you Greg given the revenue contribution that the Braves get from local media rights as we look into sort of what's happening with diamond sports and dish and et cetera.
Yes of course, it concerns me, but let me give you a few facts.
We have a good deal not an amazing deal, it's not a dodger like deal at R.
RSM partner it is probably one of the two or three most profitable <unk> out there right now.
And our territory 12 plus million cable households is the largest territory.
Baseball has so when you think about a digital conversion where is well set up and when you think about what the alternatives are to the traditional RSM model with it really does evolve, which I suspect it will over time, whereas well setup and positioned as anybody in baseball. So lots of reasons to think that our artists and partners doing pretty well they can continue to do well.
The deal is not done until 'twenty eight.
And we have as I said alternatives and opportunities I think in the digital footprint, which are unparalleled in baseball.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We take our next question from David Karnofsky with J P. Morgan. Please go ahead, Sir your line is open.
Alright. Thank you Greg maybe just to follow on your prior comments just given the value is created for the teams and some of the team principles I think spoke about achieving $1 billion valuations. This week, how do you kind of think about what the right economic split should.
It should be between F. One in mid teens, maybe a little longer on and then just on the form a repurchase do you expect to buyback more shares from here or was that kind of more about capturing the discount between the indications as they widen out a lot over the summer.
So.
I'm very happy to see the teams do well as I think as I said that was necessary.
For the.
The success of F. One the new cockpit agreement has some incentives that as revenue and profits increase we take back some of that which had been given over the last several.
Deals.
Yes.
I already worn the teams expect more demands from us based on how much success. They have had and they smile. So we'll see how those negotiations go but.
Im optimistic that we can continue to have success with the teams as we've had over the last couple of years and will both benefit.
On the Florida, I think we like both the valuation and we obviously try to take advantage of the discount we like to winning twice in that transaction and as we generate free cash flow of one as we will youll.
Youll see us take actions to try and take advantage of pricing and other things that we think are attractive in the market.
As I said earlier, no plan or intent announced today.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question from David Joyce with Barclays Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thank you.
I appreciate the great numbers on the Austin.
Brian.
Could you also provide color on.
The per cap spending increases during the third quarter.
Average attendance.
Overall.
The races, as well as with the Paddock club.
Comparing it to 2019.
Then Linda the fourth quarter for the remaining the races. When the what is the capacity look like thanks.
Yeah, I think that's a hard comparison because in 2019, we had.
The different timing of different races, and shifted around so it's not a it's not a per it's not an equivalent thing because the calendar has shifted so we're not prepared to dissect that or announced that forecast for 'twenty or the fourth quarter yet.
Any further color that we can.
Learn about the per cap spending.
Compare the race to race.
Yes.
I'll, let either.
Stephane do you want to comment, but I think what caught up.
Yeah, I mean, what I can see that for sure the last events where people that we.
We see we sold and cruise of course are the older product licensing we have growing up because it is does it really did is it.
The possibility to shed experience and have the right product to buy so that's all I can say I can see that it is happening and what I can add on top of what you said revenues.
For sure now we haven't had into rates as well.
We have capacity full capacity.
Grandstands and also by the plant so that is something that we're looking forward to see people back again.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you next question.
We take our next question from Matthew Harrigan with benchmark. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Oh, Thank you pass Simmons.
You'll want to see.
<unk> as you know is on CNBC very early this morning, you talked about the improvement in the aerodynamics next year closer following better passing more exciting racing.
Also elaborated on the developments in the Saudi Aramco JV I think you've formed in March of last year and he really stuff.
Definitely alluded too he really talked about.
Applications for road vehicles, as well as on track and I almost have the impression that even though.
There are some nuances, even smaller engines and all that.
You can be backward compatible for existing vehicles.
The road, which.
Don't know how reasonable that is.
Stefano completely excluded that either or maybe you didn't bother mentioning yet and this is kind of a wild question, but would there be any possibility for your spec suggests involve familiar I think its mandate. This is limited to the TMT, but clearly this is something that.
No.
It's a moon shot, but it sounds like it's a pretty interesting given some of the principles involved formula one in Saudi Aramco. Thank you.
I will let stephane I'll comment on some of the technical capabilities and then I'll get onto this back.
Okay. So I'll touch on the technical side first of all we don't have to forget that F. One.
Standing for email innovative technologies, which can be and as you know was the key transfer from the race track to the production of vehicles and this will be the case also in our future development will come on new technology and having.
Having an engine of our powertrains that will be for sure a combined hybrid engine with the sustainable through a powerful music wages and this will be very beneficial because at the end of the day, what we want to claim.
<unk> platform.
Our ways to keep the multisport at the center of the technological research both Tony for the people yet, but also for the small deal but cannot predict technology. It would be good equation. So I think that these really.
We are taking the lead but something that has been always to be that it would be.
They have treated technologies versus mobile sport, one thing that I want to underline. These are we're talking about both the support we're talking about the motion so the balance between that.
Never love It says.
Something that the customer the fashionable to say on the.
<unk> is a very important balance to expect otherwise you know we can see how the other situation where it is that they will be the case and the platform.
Moving out to be the best of luck. So this would deal with the future of approach on the technological development of <unk> hundred one.
And well.
Well, our spec is a pretty broad mandate and we have nothing to announce today, we certainly do look at the advancement in synthetic fuels have looked around them is whether there's an investment opportunity whether it's the stack or some other part of Liberty haven't found one yet, but certainly are not adverse to the idea and recognize we're in a unique position to try and see.
The opportunities there and promote them as well.
But just to push my question I apologize.
I don't know Scott the entrance from past. This morning that this could actually be backward compatible for vehicles that are already on.
On the road I mean, it might be.
Totally misunderstand matters within the scope of what you are trying to do.
Definitely do you want to add I confirm that yeah yeah.
That is absolutely.
Yes, because that is something that we don't have to forget that.
All around the world billions of car that needs to be considered in the future. So our answer is with the sustainable fuels. The approach that we are working on.
Of course with Aramco, but for all the.
All of the or the supply of authority in the digital for what will be the teams are working very hard.
We get the chance to make sure that this path will be sustainable also for these businesses will be around the world in the future.
Alright, great. Thanks.
Thank you.
Thank you we take our next question from Jason Bazinet with Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Okay.
I have sort of maybe a strange question do you guys have an estimate in terms of how much capital you think liberty would need.
To close the NAV discount on Liberty Sirius if you chose to do that.
Yeah.
No.
We don't have an estimate that I'm sorry.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you we.
We'll take our next question from Stephen <unk> with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Hi, great. Thanks for taking the questions on Formula one it sounds like there was a lot of demand on the promoter side to host sprint races for for next year, and maybe going off Dan's earlier question could you discuss the extent, which we should expect to see on monetize sprint races. On your calendar next year and then maybe more broadly I was curious how much more room, you think there is for formula one.
To expand <unk> beyond the 6% races overtime.
I'll, let you handle that Stefano.
That's no did we lose you.
Yes, Sir.
Okay, I'll take a cut even though I will not be as eloquent as Stefano look the there is a tension.
We like it the fans like it the teams.
And the drivers don't necessarily love it partly because it's there no this system and partly because it incurs potential incremental expense for them against the cost cap.
There are revenue opportunities around it both in terms of greater attendance at events, including qualifying but also in terms of potentially sponsorship of the sprint race and the like so clearly there is an economic reason, but theres attention, which we're not dismissive of that it puts more stress on the teams and more stress on the.
Drivers. So we will see how we can manage through those.
Those two.
The counterpoint elements.
Great. Thanks for that and maybe just one more if I could on the Asian broadcast deals that you announced is there any more detail you can provide on these deals maybe in terms of how they compared to Fox sports.
And then maybe the likelihood that they get renewed past 2022.
Yeah.
We're not I think disclosing that.
We are somewhat optimistic we can go forward, but we're not at this moment can disclose how they compare thank you.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you.
And that will conclude our Q&A session today I would now like to turn the call back over to your hosts for any additional or closing remarks.
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