Q3 2021 Ampco-Pittsburgh Corp Earnings Call
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Thank you, Chris and good morning to everyone. Joining us on today's third quarter 2021 conference call. Joining me today are Brett Mcbrayer, our Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Mcauley, Senior Vice President Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.
Also joining us on the call today are Sam Lyon, President of Union Electric Steel Corporation, and Terry Kenny President of Air and liquid Systems Corporation.
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To access the earnings release or the webcast replay. Please consult the investors section of our website at Ampco P. G. H dot com with that I'll turn the call over to Brett Mcbrayer Ampco Pittsburgh's CEO.
Thank you Melanie good morning, and thank you for joining our call.
As shared in todays press release Ampco Pittsburgh recorded our first quarterly loss since the third quarter of 2019.
This loss is a net result of our planned extended equipment outages.
As well as two unplanned outages due to equipment failures during the summer.
And under recovery of inflationary costs and our <unk>.
Forged and cast engineered products segment.
To address these continuing cost pressures on our business.
Forged and cast engineered products segment has commenced price increases across all products the.
The broad range of increases as necessary to address the varying impact of input costs in our North American European and Asian operations.
The extended maintenance outages taken during the quarter have us well positioned to meet the growing demand for our products.
Our backlog has increased 16% since Q2 in the forged and cast engineered products segment.
And our backlog in the air and liquid systems segment remained strong.
Although we have been challenged with supply chain issues and vendor labor shortages, our capital improvement work is well underway with targeted completion in the first half of 2023.
Finalizing this work will significantly improve our cost structure and facilitate substantial topline growth for our businesses.
As always safety and health of our employees and being good stewards in the communities, where we operate continue to be priorities as we work to improve the performance of Ampco Pittsburgh.
The efforts of our employees to improve in these areas continues to be impressive.
As we look to the fourth quarter, we will continue to see headwinds from an inflationary cost standpoint.
Our price increases during the quarter will not deliver their full effect until the first quarter of 2022.
With a growing backlog and the strong demand for our products. We are optimistic gives you move into 2022 and beyond.
For further comments on our businesses and now like Terry Kenny President of Air and liquid systems.
And Sam Lyon, President of Union electric steel to share some of the highlights in our segments performance Terry.
Thank you Brett and good morning.
As with most most manufacturing businesses in the country. All three divisions that make up the segment had been experiencing supply chain challenges, including inflationary pressures on virtually all purchase materials supplies and services.
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Extended lead times, which have historically been measured in several weeks are now quoted in months daily.
Daily missed delivery commitments and rescheduled from our suppliers.
As well as trucking shortages and delays at customers.
The teams at all three businesses have been working tirelessly to overcome all obstacles and have to date successfully navigated. The majority of these hurdles, while delivering third quarter operating results that exceeded the prior year third quarter results and trailed year to date results by 5%.
I want to thank all air and liquid processing segment employees for their hard work and dedication through these challenging times.
We've been able to pass through much of the cost increases in the form of price increases throughout the year or.
Our backlog remains strong at $56 $4 million and we remain focused on sustainable growth at each of the three divisions.
Thank you Terry I'll now turn the call over to Sam Lyon Sam.
Thanks, Brett and good morning.
Operating operating conditions in the U K and Sweden in the wake of the Delta very Covid have proven challenging absenteeism is running two to three times normal rates. This is attributed to societal reopening the lifting of restrictions and returned to schools.
As more of the population gets vaccinated in the initial spread through the school age children exhaust. This absenteeism has started to improve.
From a sales perspective, our backlog is up 21% from the low point of the pandemic and 16% since the end of quarter two.
This is the segments highest level backlog since may of 2020.
Our first quarter.
It is very strong with non forged engineered product in the non forged engineered product segment. We are anticipating increased large rolls sales starting in Q2 of 2022 and continuing into 2023, our melt shop and our burgers tell facility in Pennsylvania is that capacity through Q1 of 2022, and we are adding forged personnel to increase output.
As early as January once training is complete.
Until a few months ago, our view was that material in natural gas prices would moderate but the reality is proving much different in.
In the United States natural gas has more than doubled key alloys, such as ferrochrome, and Molly oxide are up 40% and 70% respectively.
In the U K natural gas has increased over 300% all costs, including refractory transportation and labor are up.
As I stated previously our surcharge mechanism has some lag when compared to actual costs.
Our surcharges in most cases only cover raw materials, leaving us exposed to these other inflationary costs. This has necessitated a recently announced price increase in our non rule forged engineered products for new orders placed after October 25th.
In the past we offered firm pricing at the time of order. We also implemented in alloy and energy surcharge on all orders shipping after December 31.
Extended lead times and the volatile energy prices have necessitated the implementation of the surcharge to capture cost at time of milk.
Yesterday, we also announced the price increase for our rural products effective November 3rd these increases will vary by customer depending on individuals' surcharge mechanisms in place.
Our previously discussed expansion and modernization programs for our U S assets continues to make progress. These investments will support further growth in the non rural business and a lower cost structure and our roll business.
Approximately 85% of the project has been scoped and improved and we expect to reach full completion by the middle of 2023.
Now I'll turn it back over to Brett.
Thank you Sam this time, Mike Mcauley, our Chief Financial Officer will share more detail regarding our financial performance for the quarter Mike.
Thank you Brett good morning.
<unk> net sales for the third quarter of 2021 were $81 $2 million an increase.
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In the forged and cast engineered products segment Q3, 2021, net sales increased approximately 12% versus prior year, primarily due to higher shipments of forged engineered products to the steel distribution and energy markets and higher shipment of cast rolls for Hot strip Mills.
Net sales for the air and liquid processing segment in the third quarter of 2021 or approximately 6% lower than the prior year period due to delays in availability of trucking and certain parts due to supply chain issues.
Gross profit as a percentage of net sales was 16, 3% for the third quarter of 'twenty, one versus 'twenty, one 4% for the third quarter of 2020.
The decline is mainly attributable to the forged and cast engineered products segment.
Which was impacted by higher net raw material and energy costs, and higher repairs and maintenance spend as well as unfavorable changes in product mix.
Selling and administrative expenses of $10 $9 million or 13, 4% of net sales for the third quarter of 2021 were down compared to $11 4 million or 15, 1% of net sales for the third quarter of 2020.
Lower employee related costs and lower spend on research and development were partly offset by the impact of a higher exchange rates.
And additional sales commissions on higher forged engineered product sales during the current year.
Depreciation and amortization expense of $4 $3 million for the third quarter of 2021 was approximately comparable to prior year.
Loss from operations for the third quarter of 2021 was $2 4 million.
This compares to income from operations in the prior year quarter of <unk> 2 million.
The forest and cast engineered products segments operating results declined for the third quarter of 2021 compared to prior year, primarily due to under recovery of the inflationary effects of production costs as well as higher repair and maintenance spend associated with extended machine outages, which more than offset the effect of higher sales.
And improved cost absorption from higher production levels this year.
The air and liquid processing segment operating results improved for the third quarter of 2021 compared to prior year due to higher pricing and productivity improvements.
Investment related income declined for the third quarter of 2021, when compared to the prior year quarter, primarily due to the timing of dividend income from one of the Corporation's Chinese joint ventures recorded one quarter earlier this year and hence remains comparable on a year to date basis.
Interest expense for the third quarter of 2021 decreased principally as a result of lower average borrowings on the revolving credit facility.
While other net improved primarily due to higher pension income and foreign exchange transaction gains in the current quarter.
Period over period change in the income tax provision was driven by the effects of changes in the pre tax income of the corporation's profitable operations.
At the bottom line the Corporation reported a net loss attributable to ampco Pittsburgh of $1 6 million or.
Our <unk> per share.
For the third quarter of 2021, which compares to net income of $1 million or <unk> <unk> per share for the third quarter of 2020.
Backlog at September 32021 of $278 million increased approximately 10% from June 32021.
Backlog for the forest and cast engineered products segment improved approximately 16% sequentially.
The increase is principally due to higher order intake for forged rolls and for forged engineered products.
Due to improved demand.
Although the backlog for air and liquid processing segment declined approximately 9% sequentially.
Because of reduced order intake for heat exchange coils and air handlers. It still remains at a historically high level.
Net cash flows used in operating activities was approximately $1 4 million for Q3 2021. The result of an increase in trade working capital associated with the higher level of business activity.
Capital expenditures for the third quarter of 2021 were $5 $5 million.
And are now at $12 $2 million year to date, primarily.
Primarily extended in the forged and cast engineered products segment.
Corporation's balance sheet and liquidity position continues to remain strong.
With cash on hand at September 32021 of $12 $3 million.
And undrawn availability on our revolving credit facility of approximately $42 million.
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Today's first question comes from David Wright with Henry Investment Trust. Please proceed.
Good morning, everyone.
Good morning.
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Does anybody have a non role.
Engineered products revenues for Q3 and year to date.
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Yes.
We do David just getting submitted.
Sure.
In the meantime, then a question for Sam and then I'll have one for Terry.
And in past calls you've talked about from time to time, you know the annual order patterns for mill Rolls.
And.
I'm wondering do you have any update there on how that has gone or have the ordering patterns of the steelmakers changed such that that kind of order pattern order pattern order pattern excuse me.
You know is not carrying forward.
Yes, David it's still.
They are not ordering as far as Vance, but we have seen an.
An increase in finalizing contracts for or allocations I should say for 2022, So which is the reason why our backlog has increased in the last quarter. So it's sitting at.
Roughly $220 million now.
Against that total.
It's a pretty pretty decent percentage of our plan for next year. So it has improved but still closer to.
Closer to real time that it wasn't the past.
Yes.
The fact that the lead times are shorter across the entire industry. So theres not as much of a need for them to order as far out.
Got it right okay.
And David.
The answer to your question about non roll force engineered products sales.
For the year to date period through September $17 6 million.
And do you have the Q3 number and for Q3, seven 4 million.
Super Thank you and then a year.
A quick one for Terry Terry.
In terms of new construction business.
You you would be asked to bid on.
Can you characterize the level of activity versus you know six or nine months ago.
Hi, David.
Yes.
New construction activity and bid.
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Very slightly from.
From what we've seen what we saw at the beginning of the year, but.
The quality of bids remains high.
Okay. Thanks, everyone.
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Our next question comes from Justin Bergner with Gabelli funds. Please proceed.
Oh good morning, everyone.
Good morning, Joe Joseph.
In terms of the sort of profit bridge, either on a year on year or sort of sequential basis for forged and cast engineered products.
Are you able to sort of share how much of that.
Klein is due to price cost.
Versus some of this maintenance activity.
And I think you mentioned the mixed component I don't know if you've just sort of disaggregate that or have and can share that with the investment community.
Yes, we can talk we can talk about that.
For the for the current quarter.
No.
Because we're going to.
We're going to get into the MD&A when the Q comes out next week, but.
Roughly speaking.
And what we're talking about mainly as the forged and cast engineered products that has.
So the larger change in income.
And if we look at that area.
We saw that for.
The change in sales from.
We're pricing I mean, we're talking about maybe a $1 million price mix kind of affect Q3 versus prior year.
Okay. That's helpful and then I mean with the.
So if 1 million price mix does that mean, there's sort of.
Remainder of the decline year on year, mainly due to these unplanned outages.
Yes.
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We had.
Some higher maintenance expense expense growth for this year versus prior year for a couple of reasons, we had some unplanned.
Outages that Brett described but we also this year during our annual maintenance turnarounds.
We focus more on preventative and predictive maintenance and spent more this year when last year, we were shut down our plants were shut down just because of lack of demand and when it was all about the COVID-19.
Situation in preserving liquidity, so we weren't really spending much maintenance spend during shutdowns last year was more about shutting down to manage supply and demand. This year, we we caught up on that maintenance and we wanted to make sure that we were prepared for that.
Have your production expectations going forward.
That makes sense are there any other factors that you would highlight in that.
Profit bridge for forged and cast engineered products that were material besides planned and unplanned maintenance in price cost.
Yeah.
Improved contribution from higher sales.
A bit on the mix side that we talked about.
Higher maintenance expense and then the under recovery I mean, the make the major driver was the under recovery of cost inflation.
That was by far the largest driver in the quarter.
And that's what we're addressing with our pricing actions.
And we're also going to be looking at our cost structure going forward and things that we're going to be doing there.
But the price actions or the main.
Focus right now at the moment.
Okay, just to make sure I understand.
The profit unfortunate cat central products was down close to $4 million. I think you said the price cost component was only about a million or did I Miss something.
Net sales in <unk>.
Selling price and mix, it's primarily kind of a mix issue whereby we.
We're seeing lower sales of larger roles this year.
So.
The mix of sales on the roll side is less favorable than average.
So that's really a driver there.
We talk about cost inflation.
It's net of surcharges, so, yes from passing through higher raw material costs, and surcharges and that does drive revenues, but if you if you compare the.
The cost changes in raw materials energy.
And other factors against the surcharge recovery, we are under recovering and Thats. The reason for trying to address that through the pricing actions that we've talked about.
Okay, I think I got it now so the 1 million was price mix in the sort of the actual cost inflation element was separate from that in terms of the year on year bridge, Okay, and then Eric.
And erinn liquid process sorry.
To add one thing or.
The price.
The under recovery of effect as multiples larger than the price mix effect in the quarter Okay.
And air and liquid processing I mean, you guys talked about number of supply chain headwinds, but it looks like.
Ah.
Profitability.
It was actually up sequentially in air and liquid processing was there anything idiosyncratic about that.
Or.
Is that sort of representative.
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Margins that you're realizing the business on an ongoing basis.
It's just in its.
A representative of the margins that we're able to achieve in this in these certain businesses mix was favorable in the quarter.
And the pricing the price increases throughout the year have assisted in that effort.
Great. Thanks.
The next question is from George Melas curiosity with Mek H Management Company LLC. Please proceed.
Thank you good morning, gentlemen.
The backlog for the forged and cast engineering products.
Is all of that.
Contract with the cost recoveries.
And the surcharges or is some of it still sort of under the old contract.
Well the price increases are on top of the <unk>.
Contract terms, so they're outside I guess outside of the contract.
This is the best way to say it.
So.
<unk> based pricing plus surcharge that mainly covers raw materials in the current situation.
And we're just going out with a inflationary cost increase to cover the other costs.
Okay.
I think I'm not sure I understand if that covers the entire $222 million of backlog.
What was the question.
You repeat that.
The backlog right now is roughly $220 million at the end of the quarter.
Yes.
The surcharges for example that you're putting in in November does that impact the contract backlog that was why you did.
Did that.
It does the only.
The only small delay would be just that.
Talking with the customers to get the the administration side of it so that the Po and the invoice actually match so that we don't have a.
A problem getting paid but other than that it applies to all existing backlog.
Okay very good.
Thank you.
At this time, we're showing no further questions in the queue and this concludes our question and answer session.
I would now like to turn the conference back over to Brett Mcbrayer CEO for any closing remarks.
Thank you Chris.
Despite the challenging quarter I'm encouraged by our growing backlog as well as the progress in our capital improvements for our forged and cast engineered products segment.
We will continue to take whatever actions are necessary to offset the inflationary pressures all businesses are facing both now and into the future.
Again want to thank our employees for their hard work and dedication as we continue to transform ampco Pittsburgh.
Also want to thank our shareholders and our board for your continued support of our turnaround efforts.
Although the global pandemic supply chain issues and inflationary costs have muted our efforts over the last 18 months, we continue to take actions that we expect to resume.
The result of much improved performance for our businesses going forward.
Our near term target of $450 million of revenue and double digit EBITDA margins remains a realistic objective is our capital improvement work concludes in 2023.
Thank you again for joining our call this morning.
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.
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