Q4 2021 Navient Corp Earnings Call

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Welcome to the Navient fourth quarter 2021 earnings call.

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I would now like to hand, the conference over to your Speaker today, Nathan Rutledge head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thanks Deborah.

Good morning, and welcome to <unk> fourth quarter 2021 earnings call.

With me today are Jack Remondi, our CEO and Joe Fisher our CFO .

After their prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions before we begin.

Mind, our discussion will contain predictions expectations and forward looking statements and other information about our business that is based on management's current expectations as of the date of this presentation.

Actual results in the future may be materially different from those discussed here.

Could be due to a variety of factors.

And you should refer to discussion of those factors on the Companys Form 10-K , and other filings with the SEC.

During this call the conference call, we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, including core earnings adjusted tangible equity ratio and other various non-GAAP financial measures derived from our core earnings our GAAP results reconciliation.

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That results in a description of our.

non-GAAP financial measures and with a full reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the fourth quarter 2021 supplemental earnings disclosure. This is posted on the investors page at Navient Com. Thank you and now I'll turn the call over to Jack Thanks, Nathan Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today and for your interest in Navient.

2021 was a year that presented some significant opportunities along with a few challenges our company responded to both with agility determination and success.

<unk> us well for 2022 and beyond.

In 2021, we delivered outstanding financial results simplified and Derisked, our business and demonstrated a continued ability to deliver attractive returns and sustainable growth.

For example in consumer lending, we originated $6 billion, an attractive ROE student loans, a 30% increase making navient the largest private education lender in the country.

And federal education loans, we achieved a major objective to simplify and derisk the business with a constructive solution to transfer our department of education loan servicing contract to a third party.

This provided a seamless transition for our millions of borrowers and short ongoing servicing capacity for the department and ongoing employment for 700 teammates.

We leveraged our business processing platform to provide a technology enabled solution our technology enabled solutions to address pandemic related needs.

This included retraining existing resources hiring 9000 temporary customer service representatives.

And providing data analytics to improve performance and efficiency for our clients.

We responded to the pandemic with payment relief options across our loan programs and then assisted hundreds of thousands of customers who are ready to successfully returned to repayment.

Today in both our federal and private loan portfolios delinquency and forbearance rates are below pre COVID-19 levels.

And we continue to execute on new financings and transactions that reduced interest expense and improve our net interest margin.

For example, we identified an opportunity to sell an older portfolio of loans delivering both a significant gain and reducing our reliance on our most expensive funding source.

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Recognizing and capturing diverse opportunities across our business is not unique at navient.

We are deploying the same skills in 2022 and continue to continue creating and delivering value for our shareholders.

With our strategy to maximize cash flows invest in our growth businesses and return excess capital to investors.

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While Joe will provide the financial highlights for the quarter and the full year I would describe our performance in 2021, as our most complete and successful year ever it.

It was a year, where we exceeded all of our goals.

This execution drove adjusted core earnings to $4 45 per share, 31% above 2020 results.

New loan originations increased as already mentioned by 30% in 2021% to $6 billion, even as the federal direct loan interest in payment pause was in place for the full year after being extended several times.

We are generating this volume efficiently and profitably.

We are also achieving very high customer satisfaction scores.

Credit performance has also been strong the rebound in the economy and numerous stimulus programs have helped consumer strengthen their overall financial position.

In fact, private credit loan losses are well below pre pandemic levels as our delinquency and forbearance rates.

Our multichannel approach to communication continues to help our customers learn learn about and evaluate their options and avoid the negative consequences of delinquency and default.

We also made significant progress in simplifying our business and reducing our risk profile.

First we completed the transfer of our department of education contracts and while we delivered strong performance for the Department. This business was a small contributor to revenue was no longer growing.

Presented a challenging political risk profile that was unlikely to change.

The solution, we developed to ensure a smooth transition for millions of borrowers and ongoing employment for our teammates.

In addition to simplifying our business and focus it also materially reduces our operating risk.

Following this we announced the resolution of all of the state lawsuits and investigations. These.

These matters began more than eight years ago and have consumed significant resources and expense.

During these years, the exhaustive examination and discovery process identified no evidence to substantiate the theories in claims made.

This is the outcome we knew to be the case.

Unfortunately, the legal process was and remains lengthy and costly.

Our decision to resolve these cases eliminates the significant time and expense, we would incur to pursue our defense to the end.

Closing these cases in this manner is a net positive and it simplifies our business.

While the CFPB action, which is based on virtually identical claims remains outstanding. It is much further along and we remain committed to a vigorous defense.

These two actions Mark another set of milestones in our active management of our cost base and efficiency optimization.

Together with the sale of the loan servicing technology platform, we have created a significantly more efficient and variable long term cost structure for our business.

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Throughout 2021, we also supported our team members with flexible work locations thousands of hours of training and new leadership development programs and employee resource groups, yielding strong increases in employee engagement.

And team Navient was active in our communities through local and national organizations, including a significant national partnership with the boys <unk> Girls Club of America.

We're also proud to have received recognition for board diversity.

And military support among other awards.

As we begin the new year, we are excited to be able to turn our full focus to creating value. We will maximize cash flows grow loan originations with high quality high value products and grow business processing revenue improve operating efficiency.

And still return excess capital to investors.

In consumer lending our goal is to originate at least $7 billion in refi and in school loans, an increase of 16% over 2021.

Our product design application flow and underwriting expertise have driven significant growth in market share with lower end market acquisition costs and better than market credit performance.

We remain committed to our profitability targets for both refi and in school loans and.

And we see a significant opportunity to deploy our capital at scale at attractive Roes.

And bps virtually all of our Covid project work ended in 2021 with just a small carryover into the new year.

This project work totaled $265 million in revenue last year.

And as our clients returned to more normal normal operational volume, we expect to grow traditional bps revenue by 10% in 2022.

And we remain confident in our ability to continue to grow revenue at similar double digit double digit rates over the next several years.

While the Covid projects may have been short term the relationships, we built with key state and municipal clients or not.

These partnerships have accelerated bps's relevance.

<unk> and growth potential.

Our bps business Leverages, our platform and capabilities to generate attractive margin asset light fee income.

On capital our first priority remains the generation and retention of sufficient capital to support our growth businesses and our dividend.

The balance will will be returned to shareholders through our projected $400 million in share repurchases in 2022 as part of the $1 billion authorization approved by the board in the fourth quarter.

Our capital generation supports a strong balance sheet maintain maintenance of our credit ratings and the ability to support meaningful growth.

Returning capital to shareholders.

It couldnt be more pleased with our 2021 results and would like to thank my colleagues across team Navient for their contributions are.

Our 2021 results reflect our strong commitment and focus on delivering high quality high value services to our customers and clients.

And an intentional effort to simplify our business model and reduce risk.

Our ability to identify and capture new opportunities created and delivered clear value.

And it was particularly satisfying to see investor recognition of the success and the strong share price appreciation.

I'm, even more excited about the opportunities ahead of us and I'm confident of our ability to continue to maximize cash flow.

ROE loan originations and bps revenue.

And return excess capital to investors.

As we deliver sustainable earnings growth year after year.

Now I'll turn the call over to Joe and I look forward to your questions later in the call Joe. Thank you Jack and thank you to everyone on today's call for your interest in Navient.

During my prepared remarks, I will review the fourth quarter and year end results for 2021.

I will be referencing the earnings call presentation, which can be found on the company's website in the investors section.

Before I turn to the highlights for the quarter and year I would like to acknowledge the hard work and dedication of the thousands of people who make up team navient.

The success across all of our business lines.

Contributed to the strong quarterly results and full year EPS that exceeded our original guidance by 40%.

As a result of this effort and the demonstrated agility to leverage our current platform and capabilities, we are well positioned for 2022 and beyond.

Key highlights from the quarter and full year beginning on slide five.

Include fourth quarter, GAAP EPS loss of <unk> <unk> and.

And our full year GAAP EPS of $4 18.

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In full year adjusted core EPS of $4 45.

EPS results include debt repurchase losses of 21 in the quarter and 33 for the year as we took advantage of a favorable economic opportunity to retire unsecured debt early.

We originated $1 4 billion of private education loans, bringing our total originations for the year to $6 billion.

Increased full year bps, net income to $99 million, while exceeding our high teen EBITDA margin targets.

Improved our adjusted tangible equity ratio to five 9%, while returning $707 million to shareholders through dividends and repurchases in 2021, achieving levels consistent with our target of 6%.

Let's move to segment reporting beginning with federal education loans on slide six.

Net interest margin decreased seven basis points from the year ago quarter to 99 basis points and was unchanged for the full year we.

We expect the net interest margin to be in the mid Ninety's for 2022.

Felt credit trends continue to be at or below pre pandemic levels with total delinquency rates of 10, 6% and forbearance of 12, 4% while charge offs remain at historically low levels or.

Our expectation for 2022 does that charge offs remain below 10 basis points.

Fee revenue in this segment declined $12 million from the third quarter.

This was attributable to our October transfer of the department of education servicing contract.

This transfer resulted in a decline in servicing revenue by $31 million and was offset by a $20 million increase in other income that was primarily a result of our transition services agreement for which we will receive offsetting revenue payments for the expenses weaker for the transition transition.

Outside of this agreement services provided through our federal education loans segment now pertains solely to felt loans.

Now, let's turn to slide seven and our consumer lending segment.

The total portfolio grew modestly from the third quarter.

It was down 4% from a year ago as a result of the $1 $6 billion in loan sales that occurred earlier this year that contributed $91 million of gains and the reversal of $107 million of allowance for loan losses.

In the quarter, we originated $1 4 billion of total private education loans for the full year, we originated $6 billion of private education loans compared to $4 6 billion a year ago.

The increase of 30% was accomplished even though we saw multiple extensions of the cares Act.

They continue to provide a zero percent interest for borrowers through May one 2022.

Our $6 billion of originations included $212 million of in school private education loans compared to $73 million a year ago.

These loans were made through our banking partner entirely to students attending not for profit institutions.

Our total origination guidance of $7 billion for 2022 assumes that the cares act expires on May one of this year.

We expect to see lower origination volumes in the first half of the year as borrowers delay refinancing decisions until after the extension ends and the rates on current loans moved from zero percent to their higher original stated rate the.

The exploration of the moratorium should be a significant tailwind for the refi origination backdrop, even as rates rise.

As a reminder, we reserve for loan losses at origination.

So for every dollar of new refi originations, we reserve of approximately 1.25% and for new in school originations, we reserved 6%.

The full year net interest margin of 292 basis points exceeded our original target of 270 to 280 basis points.

This quarters NIM of 276 basis points is lower than a year ago, primarily as a result of the increase in interest reserve for late stage delinquencies that it was expected to occur as borrowers exited forbearance.

Our full year 2022, net interest margin guidance of 255 to 265 basis points assumes a greater mix of our private refi product compared to our legacy book.

As borrowers transition back to repayment credit trends continue to exceed our expectations with total delinquency rates below pre pandemic levels and charge offs at historically low levels.

While economic conditions continue to improve our allowance reflects the uncertainty related to the potential negative impact to the portfolio from the end of various payment relief and stimulus benefits that recently occurred four are currently forecasted to end in May 2022.

As borrowers continue to transition to repayment, we feel confident that we are adequately reserved for the expected life of loan losses, given the well seasoned and high credit quality of our portfolio.

Let's continue to slide eight to review our business processing segment.

In the fourth quarter, we continued to see the positive results of our ability to leverage our existing technology enabled platform and infrastructure to support states and pandemic related services. This agility contributed to a 19% increase in total revenue from the year ago quarter, and a 61% increase for the full year, while exceeding our <unk>.

<unk> of high Teen EBITDA margins.

As discussed on prior calls we anticipate that the exploration of pandemic related contracts will decrease revenues in the bps segment for 2022 as more traditional services returned to normalized growth.

For 2022, we are targeting revenues of at least $260 million.

With high Teen EBITDA margins.

Let's turn to our financing and capital allocation activity that is highlighted on slide nine.

Over the last 12 months, we reduced our outstanding unsecured debt balance by 16%.

While our primary source of funding remains ABS, we issued two unsecured transactions during the year totaling $1 5 billion.

And we purchased $2 6 billion of unsecured debt, reducing our interest expense and resulting in $73 million of debt repurchase losses.

These transactions lowered our cost of funds and reduced our needs for future issuance as we have no existing maturities for all of 2022.

During the fourth quarter, we issued $1 billion of private refinance loan ABS and $1 billion of <unk> ABS.

For the full year, we issued nearly $10 billion of ABS through 10 transactions as we manage the growth of our high quality private education loan portfolio. We continue to see increased demand from new investors and these transactions.

During the year, we reduced our share count by 17% to the repurchase of 34 million shares returning $707 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends.

While increasing our adjusted tangible equity ratio to five 9%.

At today's price our planned share repurchases for 2000 $20 million to $400 million.

We've reduced our outstanding share count by 13%.

Before turning to our outlook for 2022 on slide 10, I would like to highlight the efforts that we've taken to simplify and Derisk the business.

During the quarter, we transferred the department of Education servicing contract to a third party.

<unk> agreements with various state attorneys general to reserve their previously disclosed litigation and investigations.

And reduced our real estate footprint, resulting in an $18 million restructuring charge in the quarter.

Our continued focus on efforts to simplify the business, while improving efficiencies allowed us to achieve an overall efficiency ratio of 49% for the year compared to our original target of 52%.

Our targeted efficiency ratio for 2022, a 54% is primarily a result of the growth businesses contributing a larger proportion of our overall revenue and expenses.

We are providing 2022 adjusted core earnings per share guidance of $3 to $3 15 with.

With targeted return on equity in the mid to high teens.

Our outlook excludes regulatory and restructuring costs assumes no gains from loan sales reflects a rising interest rate environment with the expectation of four rate hikes of 25 basis points occurring each quarter and $400 million of planned share repurchases.

Turning to GAAP results on slide 11.

<unk> full year GAAP net income of $717 million were $4 18 per share compared with net income of $412 million or $2 12 per share in 2020.

In summary, 2021 was a year, where we exceeded all of our original financial targets demonstrated.

Demonstrated the value of our education loan portfolio.

Leveraged our technology and infrastructure to grow EPS increased returns to shareholders strengthened capital and took significant steps to simplify the business I am proud of our accomplishments. This year and look forward to continued success as we are well positioned for meaningful and sustainable growth.

Thank you for your time and I'll now open the call for questions.

Deborah.

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And your first question comes from the line of Sanjay stock Ronny with K B W.

Thanks, Good morning.

You guys have had a productive year.

I guess first question Joe on the interest rate sensitivity. You mentioned you guys are factoring in for rate hikes.

We think about the timing of those rate hikes, I know theres some differences between sort of short term rates and long term rates, how have you figured that into your NIM expectations.

Yes, So I think one thing to continue to focus on is where one month LIBOR is that determines the majority of our of what we're earning here on both the private and on the <unk> side.

And how we think about it is those four rate hikes evenly distribute distributed over the year, so one occurring in each quarter.

And how that impacts on the film side of the equation is that our assets typically reset or a resetting daily and there is a little bit of a funding lags. So you've got somewhat of a benefit in terms of if there is.

A a faster rise there that youre going to pick up on the asset side, but then youre going to lose some of that benefit obviously as rates rise with it impacting floor income so overall between where where our projections are.

Compared to last year, that's why we felt comfortable in the mid Ninety's range from a floor income standpoint, we would anticipate based off of the current curve that we'd lose about $14 million and floor income over the course of the year, but we would benefit from some of the the rate expectations here on the asset side as well as the financing does.

<unk> that we've made in activities that we've taken place over the last year that will offset that so that's why we feel comfortable with the mid ninety's range given the <unk>.

Casted rate hikes okay.

And then on the on the private side.

We're very quick to adjust from a spread perspective, so as we look at rates and rates rise you're going to see us and as you've seen some competitors more recently adjust the rates upward to factor in the rising rate environment.

Okay.

And then I guess my follow up question. This is a question I've been getting a lot from investors.

Some of your competitors have gotten stronger potentially now getting a bank charter I am curious if you feel like it affects the competitive environment or you guys feel pretty good going out of the way.

You are currently composed obviously your guidance suggests continued strength there, but maybe you could just elaborate that on that Jack.

Sure.

So certainly we go over our years.

As Sallie Mae and Navient have been competing against <unk>.

Institutions with bank charters large and small and really don't see any significant.

Difference by a new competitor obtaining a bank charter, but I would just note on the refi side of the equation product in particular this is a product of that.

We were able to leverage more efficiently than you could on a bank balance sheet.

Given the very low credit risk profile and our funding efficiency is really been second to none.

In the securitization markets and so we expect those those positives to continue and then the last point I would just make on those on that product side of the equation is we are far more efficient than our competition and the competition in this space.

We believe we consistently run at a <unk> or incur a cost to acquire a new customer that runs about half the industry average.

And if you look at our ABS transactions Youll see credit performance and our portfolio is also running at about.

Credit losses running about half of the industry average and those combination of factors are really is what allows us to outperform in this space.

And I don't think you have to look much further than the 30% growth that we generated in 2021 compared to.

The decrease in originations at most of our competitors.

Thank you.

And your next question comes from the line of Erin.

<unk> with Citi.

Thanks.

Jack you mentioned that you've formed a lot of relationships with states and municipalities during your pandemic work.

Maybe just talk a little bit about some of the types of conversations you might be having with additional types of work for bps and then I just wanted to clarify what the base is that you're growing mid 10% off of.

Terms of GPS revenue.

In your in your 2023 expectation.

Sure so.

I think the work we've been able to do with states here is.

Ben not just about providing resources of additional people.

To answer.

Higher volume of calls I think one of the things, where we've been able to distinguish ourselves compared to some of the other vendors that work for state is the analytics and insight that we have been able to provide that dramatically improve efficiency or outcome <unk> outcomes. So when one of our large.

Our clients for example, where we were working on.

Alongside a number of different vendors to respond to and submit unemployment insurance claims during the pandemic.

Our client repeatedly told us that we were running at about a 30% greater efficiency rate.

And then everybody else on that in that space and as a result of that as volume was declining all the other vendors ended their contracts or the contracts are entered ended ahead of ours and so I think Thats. An example of the type of.

The value that we're able to produce and so as states are now looking.

<unk> returned to a more normalized effort, it's how can they continue to capture some of those.

Value added services and benefits that we bring to the table of improved insight efficiency and effectiveness and those conversations are in fact happening and we're pretty excited about the opportunities in that space.

In terms of the growth.

From the bps side of the equation.

Joe Yes so.

The numbers Jack was referencing so of the $488 million of revenues that we had this year roughly around $260 million of that was related to pandemic related services. So.

Take that out of the equation than the growth of 10% on the more traditional businesses that have not had not yet fully recovered plus a little bit of.

Lag of some pandemic contracts that are ending here in January and February so our assumption of that at least $260 million revenues assumes that all of those contracts and at their stated expiration dates and that Theres no additional pandemic related contracts.

Got it thanks, and then secondarily the maturities.

Nice you have none for 'twenty, two but you do have some fairly larger.

Pieces in 'twenty, three and 'twenty four what are your plans in terms of.

Reducing those.

If any.

Prior to maturity.

And so we don't have any.

Plans projected in our guidance of reducing that within 2022 for that 2023 maturity that youre referencing.

As we have done in the past we've been opportunistic if there is a advantage to us versus that cost of carry for cash will look too.

We will look to reduce that ahead of time or if there's pockets, where we can buy at a discount you've seen us do that in the marketplace as well. So our current forecast for 2022 does not assume debt repurchase losses.

Got it thank you.

I do think it's important just to reemphasize on the debt repurchase losses that when we do incur those types of do enter into those types of transactions on those losses are generated it's because there's an.

Economically attractive for us to incur them now and recapture that through lower interest expense in future periods.

And your next question comes from the line of Rick Shane with J P. Morgan.

Got it thanks for taking my question.

Just to be clear so when we talk about the 10% growth.

On the BP.

That is really off the $2 60 number.

It was a little confused I thought I had it but then I got a little confused.

Going forward I think that going forward into 2023, we're looking at this as long term a business that can grow double digits. So 10% that's appropriate as you think about the out years. So this is 23 and beyond.

Got it okay.

And then second question.

Look obviously the run off of the <unk> portfolio is well understood.

But when we look at the balance sheet both the.

The consumer lending segment continues to shrink.

Mostly as well when do we think when do you think there is the inflection point, where that business will start to grow I, just starting to think about the balance sheet, and where we will see growth and what's the timeframe.

Well I think obviously on the outside of the equation. There is no real additions to that portfolio and so that portfolio is going to amortize.

Steady rate.

One of the things that we've been able to do.

Very successfully over the course of time is maintain the margins in that business as the portfolio amortize and really generate significantly higher levels of cash flow than our forecast would have indicated just a few years ago on the private side on the consumer lending portfolio or our portfolio actually would.

<unk> increase this year, but for the loan sales that were completed in the first quarter. So I actually think youre seeing.

There is.

We see an opportunity to continue to grow that portfolio and size. The contribution of earnings is changing a little bit as the refi portfolio given its.

Super Prime credit profile.

Has lower.

Net interest margins than than the legacy private loan book.

But we do believe that balances in that portfolio.

In fact, our growing.

Except for loan sales.

Got it and clearly understood on the film side, but when we think about the consumer segment.

Or is the inflection.

Really in terms of accelerating that growth this year with the incentives to consolidate as rates move higher and as you move.

More on campus in school lending.

Well I think it's a combination of the two we see our opportunities in this space as being.

Very very interesting and strong in both the in school lending side of the equation and in the refi marketplace and in the in school side, where our focus is on.

Probably on the higher end side of credit quality really trying to address some of the concerns that you've seen in the marketplace about.

The value of a college degree.

And the ability of that degree to support the debt that is taken on in that side. So we're very focused on students who are attending schools, where they have high graduation rates and high value added as a result of completion. We also have designed our programs to help students and families.

And we really look at this as being a kind of a joint venture between the parents and the students here to support the repayment.

To provide greater insight and information that allows them to appreciate better appreciate.

How making payments during the in school period.

It can reduce the overall finance cost of the product and so that these products are effectively more affordable and.

And helpful to the students and the families on the refi side of the equation. There is no question that the pause in the zero percent interest rate on the direct loan portfolio reduced demand. It's it's we can't help a student or borrow with outstanding direct loans reduce their interest.

If the government's charging them zero and so we encourage those borrowers to take advantage of that zero percent interest rate.

And once as Joe mentioned once that moratorium is lifted and the loans returned to the statutory rate that's when we would expect to.

Be able to.

Offer borrowers the programs that allow them to refinance their debt save thousands of dollars in interest expense and equally important pay their loans off faster.

That's been the value add of that product since the beginning and it has been the focus in 2021 and it will be our focus in 2022.

Got it and then just last question because it helps us tie out our model you Shouldnt you show a core earnings number of a loss of $67 million.

You show, an adjusted core number of $122 million.

You say that this excludes.

$229 million of.

Restructuring and regulatory expenses, what's the tax rate on that because again, there's a little bit of a walk that's missing connecting those two numbers.

The 122 are those three numbers.

So overall just think of our tax rate just is that 2003 and a half long term when we talk about guidance, but as the numbers you're referring to part of that was not tax deductible. So that's where the disconnect is in terms of that number so going forward just think about our guidance.

Here are $3 three three.

$3 to $3 15 is using a 23, 5% tax rate.

Understood and I'm, just trying to tie out.

Was the tax rate about 17% on the adjustment this quarter.

I think that that's roughly true yes.

Okay.

Thank you guys.

And your next question comes from the line of most Moshe Orenbuch with credit Suisse.

Great. Thanks, I was hoping to just talk a little bit about that.

The forecast for the margin on the private side, how much of that do you think kind of as is.

Is mix.

Now that you've got really dominant piece of it really as the refinance business.

And to your comments on.

Being able to.

To raise price.

<unk> had been that's kind of at the lower end not the lowest at the lower end competitors in terms of the rates that you're charging at least on fixed rate, maybe you can kind of.

Talk about it both from a financial and a competitive standpoint.

And so just from a mix shift if you think about last year, our refi product represented about just under 40% of our book. This year were just under 50%. So a large driver of as we look into this year.

Beyond is that second half of the year with the end of the expected end of cares Act and what that means for our mix. So I would say that that is more the driver here of our guidance and it's something that we've been talking about for several quarters, just as that mix.

Comes through here for this quarter you saw the impact.

The reserve against the.

The 90 day delinquencies as that bucket move, but we feel confident that that's something that as borrowers enter into repayment that youll see an elevated level of those before coming back down to more normalized levels and offsetting that somewhat again, it's going to be the mix of the high quality.

Refinance loans that were originating here.

Joe maybe just maybe I'm not getting it.

Impact from the loans going 90 days past due that's all on the legacy private portfolio Thats not on the refi portfolio because the total delinquency there was very low rate.

Correct, but when talking about the overall NIM for the company correct, that's what I was right.

The case that that would that would actually help.

In other words that would mean that the impact from the private.

Jim.

Excuse me from the refinancing that has to be even larger because you actually had a lower demand.

Quote unquote normal on.

On the.

On the legacy portfolio right.

Talking about something.

I mean, you are talking about a decline.

10% in your NIM right.

On average about 30 basis points on 300 right maybe.

Yes, I'm, just trying to understand arithmetically, how that mix shift.

Kind of works.

Well I do think this is Jack Moshe I think one of the things to remember is that because of the COVID-19 payment relief options.

Reserve on interest was virtually nonexistent in the portfolio as few loans.

Borrowers were going into delinquent status as they were offered forbearance relief.

At higher rates.

As those programs came to an end in 2021 and borrowers returned to repayment you get back to a more normalized level of.

Interest reserve there, but the buildup is whats unusual right. So that was the initial step of getting going from zero to two whatever our delinquency rates would be in a normalized environment is what drives that Jack I'm right with you. There I'm just I'm just saying if you are talking about a 10 point mix shift on a <unk>.

<unk>, 3% margin.

And a 30 basis point drop the margin on that 10 points is got to be zero to bring the average down 30 quite isn't that just arithmetic.

Well, it's I mean, there's a combination.

The nation of factors that go into this but it is.

It's the shorter average life of the portfolio and the.

The impact that that that particularly has.

And then it's the.

A combination of the declining component of the legacy side of the equation and I would also just add the piece that comes into this as well is that when we sold some of the loans earlier in the year, we're selling some of.

That was a.

A higher risk portfolio and so it had higher margins than some of our other legacy related assets alright, Okay. We'll take it offline there is movement on the legacy side as well.

Okay.

And your next question comes from Mark Devries with Barclays.

Yes. Thank you had a follow up question on the film NIM could you just talk about the sensitivity of your guidance to the number of rate hikes and kind of what the upside downside is if you get more or fewer.

And expected.

Sure. So the way that the rate hikes are forecasted over the course of the year. If we were to have less rate hikes.

Expecting again, it's more on the shape of the curve and what the expectations are going and so I would again focus on one month LIBOR, but ultimately just from a hedge perspective, and where we are I think as I quoted earlier, the $14 million of loss of floor income assumes those.

Four rate hikes over the year if that does not occur then you would see relatively flat floor income if LIBOR continues to maintain at these low levels and you don't see that we would certainly benefit. The question is what are what our expectations and whether you get that those ASP.

Set resets.

So from that standpoint, I'd say $14 million is really your sensitivity in terms of a potential upside on putting us in the back in the high <unk> or beyond.

Okay great.

And then just a question on how we should expect kind of the in school originations to ramp.

Any color on that.

If you look at 2020 , one how much was from.

First time borrowers and what 2022, it looks like as you try to recapture those and then market to new students.

In terms of in school origination so as I talked about on the third quarter, which is the primary driver or the primary source of our originations for the year little over 70% of our loans were from first time borrowers.

Okay got it thank you.

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Your next question comes from the line of John Hecht with Jefferies.

Hey, guys. Thanks, very much for taking my questions.

Going back to the business payment services.

So the $260 million run rate.

Is that evenly distributed over the course of the year or some pandemic related contracts going to be expiring over the year and then also.

On top of that what's the run rate of servicing related revenues and asset recovery related revenues and that kind of in that category of business.

Sure. So you do have a little bit of a benefit from the pandemic related contracts in January and February as there is exploration dates that are occurring so in terms of that $2 63, probably in that call it $10 million to $15 million range in terms of a benefit in the first.

Compared to future quarters, if we do not see any extensions of those contracts.

In terms of the.

The servicing revenues going forward are you, referring just to bps or are you looking at the federal education loans segment as well, yes, the federal stuff on top of.

The bps the $2 60, because you guys have additional servicing revenue in asset recovery revenue as well.

Alright, so I would characterize that is that is solely on the federal education side and the service is solely related to felt loans at this point. So just as the natural amortization of the <unk> portfolio, that's a decent way to proxy at all else being equal as just as the portfolios rundown and felt continues to amortize.

Although there is some some moving pieces, but thats a general.

Rule of thumb of how that portfolio or how that revenue is going to decline.

Okay, so that $18 million of servicing revenue will just kind of linearly move lower with <unk> portfolio and then what about.

Asset recovery activity.

I would say that that's a fair number as well in terms of asset recovery in that line item. So again.

At this point in terms of the federal education portfolio that is all self related so going forward that that 12 million you saw last quarter. It was $13 million I would say just again assume that.

From a modeling perspective that it runs alongside the amortization itself okay.

Okay and then second question is the transfer to Maximus you guys mentioned, I think $20 million of offsetting payments.

In the fourth quarter.

Like what do we think about adjustments.

Compensation related to that going forward and how long does that last.

And so the vast majority of the expenses occurred here in the fourth quarter as it relates to the TSA. So going forward and that was the transfer of the employees that occurred in the fourth quarter. So that $20 million is a fairly decent number to actually use for the full year, so that $20 million just as.

As you exit certain aspects of that agreement is going to run down, but just to be clear 20 million for the fourth quarter related to the TSA and then our expectations for the full year of 2022 would be $20 million.

And is that in other income or where do we get that right.

In other income so that is where you saw the shift from servicing income that I talked about in the third quarter two other income okay.

And then final question is just refresh me as rates go up how does how do private loans reset is it is it.

Is there a period of time during the year you had to reset it or does it just reset immediately with some benchmark.

For new originations or for our.

For the generally speaking for the private loan portfolio.

Yes, so for the portfolio it depends on the securitization, but that it will be typically either monthly or quarterly resets.

Okay, great. Thank you guys very much.

And your next question comes from the line of Bill Ryan with Seaport Research.

Good morning, Thanks for taking my questions just.

Following up first on the expected volume you talked about a 10% increase to about I think $7 billion.

If you break it apart between consolidation and in school, what kind of relative growth rates are you expecting between the two and then.

In relation to that question.

If the payment holiday, it's extended beyond may 1st how do you see that impacting the overall number.

So we are expecting significantly higher growth rates Bill and are in school lending.

Primarily because we are starting off a small base and as Joe mentioned the vast majority of the loans. We made this year were to first time borrowers so.

Expect to add new first time borrowers and then grow grow.

Half of the loans, we made this year through a serialization processes, we finance the next academic year.

Both rates over 100% in that in that book of business.

Overall in total forecasting a 16% increase in originations from 6 billion to $7.

And that.

We said that takes into consideration or an assumption of four rate hikes.

And our return or the ending of the zero percent interest rate.

At the end of May.

If it doesn't happen obviously that would.

Reduce some demand on the.

Refi side of the equation, but I think as we pointed out and demonstrated in 2021, we were still able to grow originations by 30% last year, even though the zero percent interest rate was in place for the full for the full year and that was simply by focusing more on <unk>.

Students with exists with private student loans.

Whereas there was a distinct benefit from refinancing those loans to a lower rate.

And we've continued obviously, we're continuing to market and try to trying to expand that segment of our population as well.

Okay. One just follow up question.

You got a new shareholder obviously in December .

It sounds like that might be a little bit more of an activist type shareholder.

Looking at your history. There has been previous attempts to let's just say expedite the value extraction you did a very good job of that last year with the loan sale.

I'm kind of curious how youre viewing the new shareholder what's the dialogue been like with them as you're kind of viewing it as more of a normal shareholder or do you think they might be a little bit more activist.

Well I think the big difference is that it's a very large percentage holding shareholders. So we but with like all shareholders. We work with.

We work with them, we look to understand what their points of view are to be.

Be able to explain how we are running the business. How we think we can create and deliver value.

And we would expect to have that kind of a similar dialogue here.

We will we'll have to see how this.

<unk> over time, but I think to date, it's been very constructive very positive and don't see why that would change going into 2022.

Thank you.

And your next question comes from the line of Shanghai, Cui with Bank of America.

Hey, good morning, guys.

You mentioned that you had.

Could be opportunistic in buying back debt in the open market could you just comment on whether that would be more focused on near term maturities trading at premiums or.

David bonds that are trading below par.

And so typically what you've seen from US is a focus on the front end of the curve at this point, we feel very confident in terms of our our cash position, where we are today and going into 'twenty three and beyond.

So from that perspective, I would say, yes, if theres opportunities to buyback on the front end will we will look at that and that's traditionally where our focus has been but just if you look in the last three years. We've also bought bonds that are maturing beyond 2030, so it really depends on what.

What we're looking at what the opportunities are here, who whose.

Willing to trade at levels that are attractive to us and we look at that as just managing our cash flows to the maturity schedule. So today, we're in a great position going into 2022 2023.

That is why we don't have any forecasted debt repurchases going on this year into 'twenty, three but if theres an opportunity that well.

That presents itself much like in years past.

Take advantage of that.

And then I guess.

Follow up question just.

To touch on credit ratings.

Yeah with Covid, you guys were downgraded by S&P.

Just wanted to get your thoughts on whether you have to kind of get back to the double b ratings at S&P.

And just given the context of your $400 million share repurchases.

The ongoing CFPB case.

Case that you guys mentioned.

Italy.

Alicia this year.

And so I think we have a constructive dialogue and positive relationship with the rating agencies certainly much like most companies. We feel that we should be rated higher than where we are I think we've done a great job of Derisking. The company this year, specifically, putting as mentioned to.

The AG matters behind us. So if you look at what the rating agencies have pointed to over the last several years and has been our maturity profile.

We've probably been where right now we're in one of the best position, we've ever seen ads navient going into 2022 and 23. So that has been taken off the table and you don't see that in the dialogue from any of the agencies.

The other <unk>.

That they've made in the past is just demonstrating the growth of our other businesses. What do we look like five years from now I think we've got great color and visibility into that so again from that perspective, we've taken that argument of off of the table as well for us.

<unk> ratio as you referenced S&P.

That's something that we talk about our adjusted tangible equity ratio of 6%, it's something that factors into their rack ratio and again quantitatively, we should be rated a notch higher than where we are so we feel we've done a good job of positioning ourselves for at least moving towards a positive outlook and a potential ratings.

<unk> upgrade from where we are today and that factors in the $400 million of share repurchases that we have planned for this year.

Okay. Thank you.

And there are no further questions in queue at this time, so I would like to turn the call back over to Nathan Rutledge.

Thanks, Deborah we'd like to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. Please contact me. If you have any other follow up questions. This concludes today's call.

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Thanks Deborah.

Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to Navient's fourth quarter 2021 earnings call. With me today are Jack Grimondi, our CEO , and Joe Fisher, our CFO . After their prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions.

Good morning, and welcome to Navient fourth quarter 2021 earnings call with.

With me today are Jack Remondi, our CEO and Joe Fisher our CFO .

After their prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions before we begin.

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Speaker 3: non-GAAP financial measures and with a full reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the fourth quarter 2021 supplemental earnings disclosure. This is posted on the investors page at Navient.com. Thank you and now I'll turn the call over to Jack. Thanks, Nathan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today and for your interest in Navient.

non-GAAP financial measures and with a full reconciliation to GAAP can be found in the fourth quarter 2021 supplemental earnings disclosure. This is posted on the investors page at Navient Com. Thank you and now I'll turn the call over to Jack Thanks, Nathan Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today and for your interest in Navient.

2021 was a year that presented some significant opportunities along with a few challenges our company responded to both with agility determination and success.

Speaker 3: 2021 was a year that presented some significant opportunities along with a few challenges.

Speaker 3: Our company responded to both with agility, determination, and success.

Speaker 3: positioning us well for 2022 and beyond.

Positioning us well for 2022 and beyond.

In 2021, we delivered outstanding financial results simplified and Derisked, our business and demonstrated a continued ability to deliver attractive returns and sustainable growth.

Speaker 3: In 2021, we delivered outstanding financial results, simplified and de-risked our business, and demonstrated a continued ability to deliver attractive returns and sustainable growth.

For example in consumer lending, we originated $6 billion, an attractive ROE student loans, a 30% increase.

Speaker 3: For example, in consumer lending, we originated $6 billion in attractive ROE student loans, a 30% increase.

Speaker 3: making Navient the largest private education lender in the country.

Navient the largest private education lender in the country.

And federal education loans, we achieved a major objective to simplify and derisk the business with a constructive solution to transfer our department of education loan servicing contract to a third party.

Speaker 3: In federal education loans, we achieved a major objective to simplify and de-risk the business with a constructive solution to transfer our Department of Education loan servicing contract to a third party.

Speaker 3: This provided a seamless transition for millions of borrowers, ensured ongoing servicing capacity for the department, and ongoing employment for 700 teammates.

This provided a seamless transition for our millions of borrowers and short ongoing servicing capacity for the department and ongoing employment for 700 teammates.

Speaker 3: We leveraged our business processing platform to provide a technology-enabled solution or technology-enabled solutions to address pandemic-related needs. This included retraining existing resources, hiring 9,000 temporary customer service representatives, and providing data analytics to improve performance and efficiency for our clients.

We leveraged our business processing platform to provide a technology enabled solution our technology enabled solutions to address pandemic related needs. This included retraining existing resources hiring 9000 temporary customer service representatives.

In providing data analytics to improve performance and efficiency for our clients.

We responded to the pandemic with payment relief options across our loan programs and then assess the hundreds of thousands of customers who are ready to successfully returned to repayment.

Speaker 3: Today, in both our federal and private loan portfolios, delinquency and forbearance rates are below pre-COVID levels.

Today in both our federal and private loan portfolios delinquency and forbearance rates are below pre COVID-19 levels.

Speaker 3: and we continue to execute on new financings and transactions that reduce interest expense and improve our net interest margin.

And we continue to execute on new financings and transactions that reduced interest expense and improve our net interest margin.

Speaker 3: For example, we identified an opportunity to sell an older portfolio of loans, delivering both a significant gain and reducing our reliance on our most expensive funding source.

For example, we identified an opportunity to sell an older portfolio of loans delivering both a significant gain and reducing our reliance on our most expensive funding source.

Okay.

Speaker 3: Recognizing and capturing diverse opportunities across our business is not unique at Navient. We are deploying these same skills in 2022 to continue creating and delivering value for our shareholders.

Recognizing and capturing diverse opportunities across our business is not unique at navient.

We are deploying the same skills in 2022 and continue to continue creating and delivering value for our shareholders.

Speaker 3: with our strategy to maximize cash flows, invest in our growth businesses, and return excess capital to investors.

With our strategy to maximize cash flows invest in our growth businesses and return excess capital to investors.

Okay.

Speaker 3: While Joe will provide the financial highlights for the quarter in the full year, I would describe our performance in in 2021 as our most complete and successful year ever. It was a year where we exceeded all of our goals.

Well, Joe will provide the financial highlights for the quarter and the full year I would describe our performance in 2021, as our most complete and successful year ever it.

It was a year, where we exceeded all of our goals.

Speaker 3: This execution drove adjusted core earnings to $4.45 per share, 31% above 2020 results.

This execution drove adjusted core earnings to $4 45 per share, 31% above 2020 results.

New loan originations increased as already mentioned by 30% in 2021% to $6 billion, even as the federal direct loan interest in payment pause was in place for the full year after being extended several times.

Speaker 3: New loan originations increased, as already mentioned, by 30% in 2021 to $6 billion, even as the federal direct loan interest and payment pause was in place for the full year after being extended several times.

Speaker 3: We are generating this volume efficiently and profitably.

We are generating this volume efficiently and profitably.

Speaker 3: We are also achieving very high customer satisfaction scores.

We are also achieving very high customer satisfaction scores.

Credit performance has also been strong the rebound in the economy and numerous stimulus programs have helped consumer strengthen their overall financial position and.

Speaker 3: Credit performance has also been strong. The rebound in the economy and numerous stimulus programs have helped consumers strengthen their overall financial position.

Speaker 3: In fact, private credit loan losses are well below pre-pandemic levels, as are delinquency and forbearance rates.

In fact, private credit loan losses are well below pre pandemic levels as our delinquency and forbearance rates.

Speaker 3: Our multi-channel approach to communication continues to help our customers learn about and evaluate their options and avoid the negative consequences of delinquency and default.

Our multichannel approach to communication continues to help our customers learn learn about and evaluate their options.

And avoid the negative consequences of delinquency and default.

Speaker 3: We also made significant progress in simplifying our business and reducing our risk profile.

We also made significant progress in simplifying our business and reducing our risk profile.

Speaker 3: First, we completed the transfer of our Department of Education contracts, and while we delivered strong performance for the department, this business was a small contributor to revenue, was no longer growing, and presented a challenging political risk profile that was unlikely to change.

First we completed the transfer of our department of education contracts and while we delivered strong performance for the Department. This business was a small contributor to revenue was no longer growing.

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The solution, we developed to ensure a smooth transition for our millions of borrowers and ongoing employment for our teammates.

Speaker 3: In addition to simplifying our business and focus, it also materially reduces our operating risk.

In addition to simplifying our business and focus it also materially reduces our operating risk.

Speaker 3: Following this, we announced the resolution of all of the state lawsuits and investigations.

Following this we announced the resolution of all of the state lawsuits and investigations. These.

Speaker 3: These matters began more than eight years ago and have consumed significant resources and expense.

These matters began more than eight years ago and have consumes significant resources and expense.

Speaker 3: During these years, the exhaustive examination and discovery process identified no evidence to substantiate the theories and claims made.

During these years, the exhaustive examination and discovery process identified no evidence to substantiate the theories in claims made.

This is the outcome we knew to be the case.

Unfortunately, the legal process was and remains lengthy and costly.

Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the legal process was and remains lengthy and costly.

Our decision to resolve these cases eliminates a significant time and expense we would incur to pursue our defense to the end.

Speaker 3: Our decision to resolve these cases eliminates the significant time and expense we would incur to pursue our defense to the end.

Speaker 3: Closing these cases in this manner is a net positive and it simplifies our business.

Closing these cases in this manner is a net positive and it simplifies our business.

Speaker 3: While the CPP action, which is based on virtually identical claims, remains outstanding, it is much further along and we remain committed to a vigorous defense.

While the CFPB action, which is based on virtually identical claims remains outstanding. It is much further along and we remain committed to a vigorous defense.

These two actions Mark another set of milestones in our active management of our cost base and efficiency optimization.

Speaker 3: These two actions mark another set of milestones in our active management of our cost-based inefficiency optimization.

Together with the sale of the loan servicing technology platform, we have created a significantly more efficient and variable long term cost structure for our business.

Speaker 3: Together with the sale of the Loan Servicing Technology Platform, we have created a significantly more efficient and variable long-term cost structure for our business.

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Speaker 3: Throughout 2021, we also supported our team members with flexible work locations, thousands of hours of training, and new leadership development programs and employee resource groups, yielding strong increases in employee engagement.

Throughout 2021, we also supported our team members with flexible work locations thousands of hours of training and new leadership development programs and employee resource groups, yielding strong increases in employee engagement.

Speaker 3: And Team Navient was active in our communities through local and national organizations, including a significant national partnership with the Boys and Girls Club of America.

And team Navient was active in our communities through local and national organizations, including a significant national partnership with the boys and Girls Club of America.

Speaker 3: We're also proud to have received recognition for board diversity and military support, among other awards.

We're also proud to have received recognition for board diversity.

And military support among other awards.

Speaker 3: As we begin the new year, we are excited to be able to turn our full focus to creating value. We will maximize cash flows, grow loan originations with high-quality, high-value products, and grow business processing revenue, improve operating efficiency, and still return excess.

As we begin the new year, we are excited to be able to turn our full focus to creating value.

We will maximize cash flows grow loan originations with high quality high value products and grow business processing revenue improve operating efficiency.

And still return excess capital to our investors.

Speaker 3: consumer lending, our goal is to originate at least $7 billion in refi and in-school loans, an increase of 16% over 2021.

In consumer lending our goal is to originate at least $7 billion in refi and in school loans, an increase of 16% over 2021.

Speaker 3: Our product design, application flow, and underwriting expertise have driven significant growth in market share with lower than market acquisition costs and better than market credit performance.

Our product design application flow and underwriting expertise have driven significant growth and market share with lower than market acquisition costs and better than market credit performance.

Speaker 3: We remain committed to our profitability targets for both refi and in-school loans.

We remain committed to our profitability targets for both refi and in school loans and.

Speaker 3: and we see a significant opportunity to deploy our capital at scale at attractive ROEs.

And we see a significant opportunity to deploy our capital at scale at attractive Roes.

Speaker 3: In BPS, virtually all of our COVID project work ended in 2021, with just a small carryover into the new year.

And bps virtually all of our Covid project work ended in 2021 with just a small carryover into the new year.

Speaker 3: This project work totaled $265 million in revenue last year.

This project work totaled $265 million in revenue last year.

Speaker 3: And as our clients return to more normal operational volume, we expect to grow traditional BPS revenue by 10% in 2022.

And as our clients return to more normal normal operational volume, we expect to grow traditional bps revenue by 10% in 2022.

Speaker 3: And we remain confident in our ability to continue to grow revenue at similar double-digit rates over the next several years.

And we remain confident in our ability to continue to grow revenue at similar double digit double digit rates over the next several years.

Speaker 3: While the COVID projects may have been short-term, the relationships we built with key states and municipal clients are not.

While the Covid projects may have been short term the relationships, we built with key state and municipal clients are not.

Speaker 3: These partnerships have accelerated BPS's relevance, reputation, and growth potential.

These partnerships have accelerated bps's relevance reputation and growth potential.

Speaker 3: Our BPS business leverages our platform and capabilities to generate attractive margin, asset light, fee income.

Our bps business Leverages, our platform and capabilities to generate attractive margin asset light fee income.

Speaker 3: On capital, our first priority remains the generation and retention of sufficient capital to support our growth businesses and our dividends.

On capital our first priority remains the generation and retention of sufficient capital to support our growth businesses and our dividend.

Speaker 3: The balance will be returned to shareholders through our projected $400 million in share repurchases in 2022, as part of the billion dollar authorization approved by the board in the fourth quarter.

The balance will will be returned to shareholders through our projected $400 million in share repurchases in 2022 as part of the $1 billion authorization approved by the board in the fourth quarter.

Our capital generation supports a strong balance sheet, maintaining maintenance of our credit ratings and the ability to support meaningful growth, while returning capital to shareholders.

Speaker 3: Our capital generation supports a strong balance sheet, maintenance of our credit ratings, and the ability to support meaningful growth while returning capital to shareholders.

Okay.

Speaker 3: I couldn't be more pleased with our 2021 results and would like to thank my colleagues across Team Navient for their contribution.

Shouldn't be more pleased with our 2021 results and would like to thank my colleagues across team navient for their contributions.

Speaker 3: Our 2021 results reflect our strong commitment and focus on delivering high-quality, high-value services to our customers and clients.

Our 2021 results reflect our strong commitment and focus on delivering high quality high value services to our customers and clients.

Speaker 3: and an intentional effort to simplify our business model and reduce risk.

And an intentional effort to simplify our business model and reduce risk.

Speaker 3: our ability to identify and capture new opportunities created and delivered clear value.

Our ability to identify and capture new opportunities created and delivered clear value.

Speaker 3: It was particularly satisfying to see investor recognition of this success and the strong share price appreciation.

And it was particularly satisfying to see investor recognition of the success and the strong share price appreciation.

Speaker 3: I'm even more excited about the opportunities ahead of us, and I'm confident of our ability to continue to maximize cash flow, grow loan originations and BPS revenue, and return excess capital to investors.

I'm, even more excited about the opportunities ahead of us and I'm confident of our ability to continue to maximize cash flow grow loan originations and bps revenue.

And returned excess capital to investors.

Speaker 3: as we deliver sustainable earnings growth year after year.

As we deliver sustainable earnings growth year after year.

Speaker 4: I'll now turn the call over to Joe, and I look forward to your questions later in the call. Joe? Thank you, Jack. Thank you to everyone on today's call for your interest in NAVI.

I'll now turn the call over to Joe and I look forward to your questions later in the call Joe. Thank you Jack and thank you to everyone on today's call for your interest in Navient.

Speaker 4: During my prepared remarks, I will review the fourth quarter and year-end results for 2021.

During my prepared remarks, I will review the fourth quarter and year end results for 2021 I.

Speaker 4: I will be referencing the earnings call presentation, which can be found on the company's website in the Investor section.

Ill be referencing the earnings call presentation, which can be found on the company's website in the investors section.

Speaker 4: Before I turn to the highlights for the quarter and year, I would like to acknowledge the hard work and dedication of the thousands of people who make up Team Navient. The success across.

Before I turn to the highlights for the quarter and year I would like to acknowledge the hard work and dedication of the thousands of people who make up team navient.

The success across all of our business lines.

Speaker 4: contributed to the strong quarterly results and full-year EPS that exceeded our original guidance by 40%.

Contributed to the strong quarterly results and full year EPS that exceeded our original guidance by 40%.

Speaker 4: As a result of this effort and the demonstrated agility to leverage our current platform and capabilities, we are well positioned for 2022 and beyond. Key highlights from the quarter and full year beginning on slide 5 include fourth quarter gap EPS loss of 7 cents and a full year gap EPS of $4.18.

As a result of this effort and the demonstrated agility to leverage our current platform and capabilities, we are well positioned for 2022 and beyond.

Key highlights from the quarter and full year beginning on slide five include fourth quarter, GAAP EPS loss of <unk> <unk> and.

And our full year GAAP EPS of $4 18.

Speaker 4: Fourth quarter adjusted core EPS of 78 cents and full year adjusted core EPS of $4.45.

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In full year adjusted core EPS of $4 45.

Speaker 4: EPS results include debt repurchase losses of 21 cents in the quarter and 33 cents for the year as we took advantage of a favorable economic opportunity to retire unsecured debt early.

EPS results include debt repurchase losses of 21 in the quarter and 33 for the year as we took advantage of a favorable economic opportunity to retire unsecured debt early.

Speaker 4: We originated $1.4 billion of private education loans, bringing our total originations for the year to $6 billion, increased full-year BPS net income to $99 million, while exceeding our high-teen EBITDA margin target.

We originated $1 $4 billion of private education loans, bringing our total originations for the year to $6 billion.

Increased full year bps, net income to $99 million, while exceeding our high teen EBIT margin targets.

Speaker 4: improved our adjusted tangible equity ratio to 5.9% while returning 707 million to shareholders through dividends and repurchases in 2021, achieving levels consistent with our target of 6%.

Improved our adjusted tangible equity ratio to five 9%, while returning $707 million to shareholders through dividends and repurchases in 2021, achieving levels consistent with our target of 6%.

Speaker 4: Let's move to segment reporting beginning with federal education loans on slide six.

Let's move to segment reporting beginning with federal education loans on slide six.

Speaker 4: Net interest margin decreased seven basis points from the year ago quarter to 99 basis points and was unchanged for the full year. We expect the net interest margin to be in the mid-90s for 2022.

Net interest margin decreased seven basis points from the year ago quarter to 99 basis points and was unchanged for the full year we.

We expect the net interest margin to be in the mid Ninety's for 2022.

Speaker 4: VELP credit trends continue to be at or below pre-pandemic levels with total delinquency rates of 10.6% and forbearance of 12.4%, while charge-offs remain at historically low levels.

Felt credit trends continue to be at or below pre pandemic levels with total delinquency rates of 10, 6% and forbearance of 12, 4% while charge offs remain at historically low levels.

Speaker 4: Our expectation for 2022 is that charge-offs remain below 10 basis.

Our expectation for 2022 does that charge offs remain below 10 basis points.

Fee revenue in this segment declined $12 million from the third quarter.

This was attributable to our October transfer of the department of education servicing contract.

Speaker 4: This transfer resulted in a decline in servicing revenue by $31 million and was offset by a $20 million increase in other income that was primarily a result of our transition services agreement, for which we will receive offsetting revenue payments for the expenses we incur for the transition.

This transfer resulted in a decline in servicing revenue by $31 million and was offset by a $20 million increase in other income that was primarily a result of our transition services agreement for which we will receive offsetting revenue payments for the expenses weaker for the transition transition.

Speaker 4: Outside of this agreement, services provided through our Federal Education Loan Segment now pertain solely to FELP loans. Let's turn to slide 7.

Outside of this agreement services provided through our federal education loans segment, now pertains solely to <unk> loans.

Now, let's turn to slide seven and our consumer lending segment.

The total portfolio grew modestly from the third quarter.

It was down 4% from a year ago as a result of the $1 6 billion and loan sales that occurred earlier this year that contributed $91 million of gains and a reversal of $107 million of allowance for loan losses.

In the quarter, we originated $1 4 billion of total private education loans for the full year, we originated $6 billion of private education loans compared to $4 6 billion a year ago.

Speaker 4: In the quarter, we originated $1.4 billion of total private education loans.

Speaker 4: For the full year, we originated $6 billion of private education loans compared to $4.6 billion a year ago.

Speaker 4: The increase of 30% was accomplished even though we saw multiple extensions of the CARES Act, that continue to provide a 0% interest for borrowers through May 1, 2022.

The increase of 30% was accomplished even though we saw multiple extensions of the cares Act.

Gives me.

They continue to provide a zero percent interest for borrowers through May one 2022.

Speaker 4: Our $6 billion of originations included $212 million of in-school private education loans compared to $73 million a year ago. These loans were made through our banking partner entirely to students attending not-for-profit institutions.

Our $6 billion of originations included $212 million of in school private education loans compared to $73 million a year ago.

These loans were made through our banking partner entirely to students attending not for profit institutions.

Speaker 4: Our total origination guidance of $7 billion for 2022 assumes that the CARES Act expires on May 1st of this year.

Our total origination guidance of $7 billion for 2022 assumes that the cares act expires on May <unk> of this year.

Speaker 4: We expect to see lower origination volumes in the first half of the year as borrowers delay refinancing decisions until after the extension ends and the rates on current loans move from 0% to their higher original stated rate. The expiration of the moratorium should be a significant tailwind for the refi origination backdrop, even as rates rise.

We expect to see lower origination volumes in the first half of the year as borrowers delay refinancing decisions until after the extension ends and the rates on current loans moved from zero percent to their higher original stated rate the.

The exploration of the moratorium should be a significant tailwind for the refi origination backdrop, even as rates rise.

As a reminder, we reserve for loan losses at origination.

Speaker 4: So for every dollar of new refi originations, we reserve approximately 1 and 1 1?4%. And for new in-school originations, we reserve 6%.

So for every dollar of new refi originations, we reserve approximately 1.25% and for new in school originations, we've reserved 6%.

Speaker 4: The full year net interest margin of 292 basis points exceeded our original target of 270 to 280 basis points.

The full year net interest margin of 292 basis points exceeded our original target of 270 to 280 basis points. This quarters NIM of 276 basis points is lower than a year ago, primarily as a result of the increase in interest reserve for late stage delinquencies that it was.

Speaker 4: This quarter's NIM of 276 basis points is lower than a year ago primarily as a result of the increase in interest reserve for late-stage delinquencies that was expected to occur as borrowers exited forbearance.

Expected to occur as borrowers exited forbearance.

Speaker 4: Our full year 2022 net interest margin guidance of 255 to 265 basis points assumes a greater mix of our private refi product compared to our legacy book.

Our full year 2022, net interest margin guidance of 255 to 265 basis points assumes a greater mix of our private refi product compared to our legacy book.

Speaker 4: As borrowers transition back to repayment, credit trends continue to exceed our expectations with total delinquency rates below pre-pandemic levels and charge-offs at historically low levels.

As borrowers transition back to repayment credit trends continued to exceed our expectations with total delinquency rates below pre pandemic levels and charge offs at historically low levels.

Speaker 4: While economic conditions continue to improve, our allowance reflects the uncertainty related to the potential negative impact to the portfolio from the end of various payment relief and stimulus benefits that recently occurred or are currently forecasted to end in May 2022.

While economic conditions continue to improve our allowance reflects the uncertainty related to the potential negative impact to the portfolio from the end of various payment relief and stimulus benefits that recently occurred four are currently forecasted to end in May 2022.

Speaker 4: As borrowers continue to transition to repayment, we feel confident that we are adequately reserved for the expected life of loan losses, given the well-seasoned and high credit quality of our portfolio.

As borrowers continue to transition to repayment, we feel confident that we are adequately reserved for the expected life of loan losses, given the well seasoned and high credit quality of our portfolio.

Speaker 4: To continue to slide eight and to review our business processing segment in the fourth quarter, we continue to see the positive results of our ability to leverage our existing technology enabled platform and infrastructure to support states and pandemic related services.

Let's continue to slide eight to review our business processing segment.

In the fourth quarter, we continued to see the positive results of our ability to leverage our existing technology enabled platform and infrastructure to support states and pandemic related services. This agility contributed to a 19% increase in total revenue from the year ago quarter, and a 61% increase for the full year, while exceeding our.

Speaker 4: This agility contributed to a 19% increase in total revenue from the year-ago quarter and a 61% increase for the full year while exceeding our targets of high teen EBITDA margins.

<unk> of high Teen EBITDA margins.

Speaker 4: As discussed on prior calls, we anticipate that the expiration of pandemic-related contracts will decrease revenues in the BPS segment for 2022 as more traditional services return to normalized growth.

As discussed on prior calls we anticipate that the exploration of pandemic related contracts will decrease revenues in the bps segment for 2022 as more traditional services returned to normalized growth.

Speaker 4: For 2022, we are targeting revenues of at least $260 million with high...

For 2022, we are targeting revenues of at least $260 million.

With high Teen EBITDA margins.

Speaker 4: Let's turn to our financing and capital allocation activity that is highlighted on slide 9. Over the last 12 months, we reduced our outstanding unsecured debt balance by 16 percent.

Let's turn to our financing and capital allocation activity that is highlighted on slide nine.

Over the last 12 months, we reduced our outstanding unsecured debt balance by 16%.

Speaker 4: While our primary source of funding remains ABS, we issued two unsecured transactions during the year, totaling $1.25 billion, and we purchased $2.6 billion of unsecured debt, reducing our interest expense and resulting in $73 million of debt repurchase loss.

While our primary source of funding remains ABS, we issued two unsecured transactions during the year totaling $1 $25 billion.

And repurchased $2 6 billion of unsecured debt, reducing our interest expense and resulting in $73 million of debt repurchase losses.

Speaker 4: These transactions lowered our cost of funds and reduced our needs for future issuance as we have no existing maturities for all of 2022.

These transactions lowered our cost of funds and reduced our needs for future issuance as we have no existing maturities for all of 2022.

Speaker 4: During the fourth quarter, we issued $1 billion of private refinance loan ABS and $1 billion of FALP ABS.

During the fourth quarter, we issued $1 billion of private refinance loan ABS and $1 billion of <unk> ABS.

Speaker 4: For the full year, we issue nearly $10 billion of ABS through 10 transactions.

For the full year, we issued nearly $10 billion of ABS through 10 transactions as we manage the growth of our high quality private education loan portfolio. We continue to see increased demand from new investors and these transactions during.

Speaker 4: As we manage the growth of our high-quality private education loan portfolio, we continue to see increased demand from new investors in these transactions.

Speaker 4: During the year, we reduced our share count by 17% through the repurchase of 34 million shares, returning $707 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends, while increasing our adjusted tangible equity ratio to 5.9%.

During the year, we reduced our share count by 17% to the repurchase of 34 million shares returning $707 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends.

Increasing our adjusted tangible equity ratio to five 9%.

Speaker 4: At today's price, our planned share repurchases for 2022 of $400 million will reduce our outstanding share count by 13 percent.

At today's price our planned share repurchases for 2022, a $400 million.

We've reduced our outstanding share share count by 13%.

Speaker 4: Before turning to our outlook for 2022 on slide 10, I would like to highlight the efforts that we have taken to simplify and de-risk the business.

Before turning to our outlook for 2022 on slide 10, I would like to highlight the efforts that we've taken to simplify and Derisk the business.

Speaker 4: During the quarter, we transferred the Department of Education servicing contract to a third party.

During the quarter, we transferred the department of Education servicing contract to a third party.

Speaker 4: reached agreements with various state attorneys general to reserve their previously disclosed litigation and investigation.

<unk> reached agreements with various state attorneys general to reserve their previously disclosed litigation and investigations and reduced our real estate footprint, resulting in an $18 million restructuring charge in the quarter.

Speaker 4: and reduced our real estate footprint, resulting in an $18 million restructuring charge in the quarter.

Speaker 4: Our continued focus on efforts to simplify the business while improving efficiencies allowed us to achieve an overall efficiency ratio of 49% for the year compared to our original target of 52%.

Our continued focus on efforts to simplify the business, while improving efficiencies allowed us to achieve an overall efficiency ratio of 49% for the year compared to our original target of 52%.

Speaker 4: Our targeted efficiency ratio for 2022 of 54% is primarily a result of the growth businesses contributing a larger proportion of our overall revenue and expenses.

Our targeted efficiency ratio for 2022, a 54% is primarily a result of the growth businesses contributing a larger proportion of our overall revenue and expenses.

Speaker 4: We're providing 2022 adjusted core earnings per share guidance of $3 to $3.15 with targeted return on equity in the mid to high teens. Our outlook excludes regulatory.

We are providing 2022 adjusted core earnings per share guidance of $3 to $3 15.

With targeted return on equity in the mid to high teens, our outlook excludes regulatory and restructuring costs assumes no gains from loan sales reflects a rising interest rate environment with the expectation of four rate hikes of 25 basis points occurring each quarter and $400 million of planned share.

Speaker 4: assumes no gains from loan sales, reflects a rising interest rate environment with the expectation of four rate hikes of 25 basis points occurring each quarter, and $400 million of planned share repurchase.

Purchases.

Speaker 4: Turning to gap results on slide 11, we recorded full year gap net income of $717 million or $4.18 per share compared with net income of $412 million or $2.12 per share in 2020.

Turning to GAAP results on slide 11.

<unk> full year GAAP net income of $717 million were $4 18 per share compared with net income of $412 million or $2 12 per share in 2020.

Speaker 4: In summary, 2021 was a year where we exceeded all of our original financial targets.

In summary, 2021 was a year, where we exceeded all of our original financial targets.

Speaker 4: demonstrated the value of our education loan portfolio, leveraged our technology and infrastructure to grow BPS, increased returns to shareholders, strengthened capital, and took significant steps to simplify the business.

Demonstrated the value of our education loan portfolio.

Leveraged our technology and infrastructure to grow EPS increased returns to shareholders strengthened capital and took significant steps to simplify the business I am proud of our accomplishments. This year and look forward to continued success as we are well positioned for meaningful and sustainable growth.

Speaker 4: I am proud of our accomplishments this year and look forward to continued success as we are well positioned for meaningful and sustainable growth.

Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, and I will now open the call for questions.

Thank you for your time and I'll now open the call for questions, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad.

Again that is star wanted to ask a question.

Speaker 1: And your first question comes from the line of Sanjay Sakrani with KBW.

And your first question comes from the line of Sanjay <unk> with K B W.

Speaker 5: Thanks. Good morning. You guys have had a good, productive year. I guess first question, Joe, on the interest rate sensitivity. You mentioned you guys are factoring in for rate hikes. But as we think about the timing of those rate hikes, I know there's some differences between short-term rates and long-term rates. How have you figured that into your NIMA expectations?

Thanks, Good morning, you.

You guys have had a productive year.

I guess first question Joe on the interest rate sensitivity. You mentioned you guys are factoring in for rate hikes, but as we think about the timing of those rate hikes I know theres. Some differences between sort of short term rates and long term rates, how have you figured that into your NIM expectations.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think 1 thing to continue to focus on is where 1 month live or is that determines the majority of our of what we're earning here on both the private and on the felt side.

Yes, So I think one thing to continue to focus on is where one month LIBOR is that determines the majority of our of what we're earning here on both the private and on the <unk> side and how we think about it is those four rate hikes evenly distribute distributed over the year, so one occurring in each quarter.

Speaker 4: And how we think about it is those four rate hikes evenly distributed over the year, so one occurring in each quarter. And how that impacts it on the felt side of the equation is that our assets typically reset or are resetting daily, and there's a little bit of a funding lag. So you get somewhat of a benefit in terms of if there's a

And how that impacts it on the <unk> side of the equation is that our assets typically reset are resetting daily and there is a little bit of a funding lags. So you've got somewhat of a benefit in terms of if there is a.

Speaker 4: a faster rise there that you're going to pick up on the asset side, but then you're going to lose some of that benefit, obviously, as rates rise with it impacting floor income.

A fast or rise there that youre going to pick up on the asset side, but then youre going to lose some of that benefit obviously as rates rise with it impacting floor income so overall between where our projections are.

Speaker 4: So overall, between where we're our projections are compared to last year, that's where we felt comfortable in the mid 90s range. So from a floor income standpoint, we would anticipate based off of the current curve that we'd lose about 14 million dollars.

Compared to last year, that's why we felt comfortable in the mid 90 range. So from a floor income standpoint, we would anticipate based off of the current curve that we would lose about $14 million and floor income over the course of the year, but we would benefit from some of the the rate expectations here on the asset side as well as the financing.

Speaker 4: in floor income over the course of the year, but we would benefit from some of the rate expectations here on the asset side, as well as the financing decisions that we've made and activities that we've taken place over the last year that will offset that. So that's why we feel comfortable with the mid-90s range, given the forecasted rate

<unk> that we've made in activities that we've we've taken place over the last year that will offset that so thats why we feel comfortable with the mid <unk> range, given the forecasted rate hikes okay.

Speaker 4: And then on the private side, we're very quick to adjust from a spread perspective. So as we look at rates and rates rise, you're going to see us, and as you've seen some competitors more recently, adjust the rates upward to factor in the rising rate environment.

And then on the on the private side.

We're very quick to adjust from a spread perspective, so we're as we look at rates and rates rise.

Youre going to see us and as you've seen some competitors more recently adjust the rates upward to factor in the rising rate environment.

Okay.

Speaker 5: Great. And then I guess my follow-up question is a question I've been getting a lot from investors.

And then I guess my follow up question. This is a question I've been getting a lot from investors.

Speaker 5: uh... if some of your competitors have gotten stronger potentially now getting a bank charter i'm curious if you feel like it affects the competitive environment or or you got feel pretty good going out of the way you know you're currently

Some of your competitors have gotten stronger potentially now getting a bank charter I am curious if you feel like it affects the competitive environment or are you guys feel pretty good going out of the way.

Currently composed obviously your guidance suggests continued strength there. So maybe you could just elaborate that on that Jack.

Speaker 5: Obviously, your guidance suggests continued strength there, but maybe you could just elaborate that on that, Jack.

Sure.

So certainly we over our years.

As Sallie Mae and Navient have been competing against <unk>.

Speaker 3: institutions with bank charters large and small and really don't see any significant difference by, you know, a new competitor obtaining a bank charter. But I would just note on, you know, on the refi side of the equation product in particular, this is a product that, you know, we were able to leverage more efficiently than you could on a bank balance sheet.

Institutions with bank charters large and small and really don't see any significant.

Difference by a new competitor obtaining a bank charter, but I would just note on the refi side of the equation product in particular this is a product that.

We were able to leverage more efficiently than you could on a bank balance sheet.

Speaker 3: given the very low credit risk profile, and our funding efficiency has really been second to none in the securitization markets, and so we expect those positives to continue.

Given the very low credit risk profile and our funding efficiency is really been second to none.

In the securitization markets and so we expect those those positives to continue and then the last point I would just make on those on that product side of the equation is we are far more efficient than our competition the competition in this space.

Speaker 3: And then the last point I would just make on that product side of the equation is we are far more efficient than the competition in this space. We believe we consistently run or incur a cost to acquire a new customer that runs about half the industry average.

We believe we consistently run at or incur a cost to acquire a new customer that runs about half the industry average and if you look at our ABS transactions Youll see credit performance and our portfolio is also running at about.

Speaker 3: And if you look at our ABS transactions, you'll see credit performance in our portfolio is also running at about, credit loss is running about half of the industry average. And those combination of factors really is what allows us to outperform in this space. And I don't think you have to look much further than the 30 percent growth that we generated in 2021 compared to the decrease in originations that most of our competitors saw.

Credit losses running about half of the industry average and those combination of factors that really is what allows us to outperform in this space and I don't think you have to look much further than the 30% growth that we generated in 2021 compared to.

The decrease in originations that most of our competitors are.

Thank you.

Speaker 1: And your next question comes from the line of Erin Steganovich with Citi.

And your next question comes from the line of Erin <unk> with Citi.

Speaker 6: Thanks, Jack. You mentioned that you formed a lot of relationships with states and municipalities during your

Thanks, Jack you mentioned that you've formed a lot of relationships with states and municipalities during your.

Pandemic work.

Speaker 6: Maybe just talk a little bit about some of the types of conversations you might be having with additional types of work for BPS, and then I just want to clarify what the base is that you're growing the 10% off of in terms of BPS rates.

Maybe you can just talk a little bit about some of the types of conversations you might be having with additional types of work for bps and then I just wanted to clarify what the base is that youre growing 10% off of.

In terms of GPS revenue.

In your 2023 expectation.

Speaker 3: So, you know, I think the work we've been able to do with states here is been not just about providing resources of additional people to answer, you know, a higher volume of calls. I think one of the things where we've been able to distinguish ourselves compared to some of the other vendors that work for states is the analytics and insight that we've been able to provide that.

Sure so.

I think the work we've been able to do with states here is been not just about providing resources of additional people.

To answer.

Higher volume of calls I think one of the things, where we've been able to distinguish ourselves compared to some of the other vendors that work for states is the analytics and insight that we have been able to provide that dramatically improve efficiency or outcome <unk> outcomes. So when one of our large.

Speaker 3: you dramatically uh... improve efficiency or outcome and or outcome

Speaker 3: So when one of our larger clients, for example, where we were working alongside a number of different vendors to respond to and submit unemployment insurance claims during the pandemic.

Our clients for example, where we were working.

Alongside a number of different vendors to respond to and submit unemployment insurance claims during the pandemic.

Speaker 3: You know, our client repeatedly told us that we were running at about a 30%.

Our client repeatedly told us that we were running at about a 30% greater efficiency rate.

Speaker 3: greater efficiency rate than everybody else in that space. And as a result of that, as volume was declining.

And then everybody else in that in that space and as a result of that as volume was declining all the other vendors ended their contracts.

Speaker 3: all the other vendors ended their contracts or their contracts were ended, ended ahead of ours. And so I think that's an example of the type of value that we're able to produce. And so as states are now looking to return to a more normalized effort, it's how can they continue to capture some of the those.

<unk> entered ended ahead of ours, and so I think Thats. An example of the type of.

Value that we're able to produce and so as states are now looking.

Two returned to a more normalized effort, it's how can they continue to capture some of those.

Speaker 3: value-added services and benefits that we bring to the table of

Value added services and benefits that we bring to the table of improved insight efficiency and effectiveness and those conversations are in fact happening and we're pretty excited about the opportunities in that space.

Speaker 3: improved insight, efficiency, and effectiveness. And those conversations are in fact happening, and we're pretty excited about the opportunities in that space.

Speaker 4: In terms of the growth from the BPS side of the equation, I'll let Joe in. So the numbers Jack was referencing, so of the $488 million of revenues that we had this year, roughly around $260 million of that was related to pandemic-related services.

In terms of the growth.

From the bps side of the equation.

Joe Yes so.

The numbers Jack was referencing so of the $488 million of revenues that we had this year roughly around $260 million of that was related to pandemic related services.

Speaker 4: So take that out of the equation, then the growth of 10% on the more traditional businesses that have not had not yet fully recovered, plus a little bit of lag of some pandemic contracts that are ending here in January and February . So our assumption of that at least 260 million revenues assumes that all of those contracts and that they're stated expiration dates and that there's no additional pandemic related contract.

Take that out of the equation than the growth of 10% on the more traditional businesses that have not had not yet fully recovered plus a little bit of.

Lag of some pandemic contracts that are ending here in January and February so our assumption of that at least $260 million revenues assumes that all of those contracts and at their stated expiration dates and that Theres no additional pandemic related contracts.

Speaker 6: And then, secondarily, the maturities, it's nice you have none for 22, but you do have some fairly larger pieces in 23 and 24. What are your plans in terms of reducing those, if any, prior to maturity?

Got it thanks, and then secondarily the maturities.

Nice you have none for 'twenty, two but you do have some fairly larger.

Pieces in 'twenty three 'twenty four what are your plans in terms of.

Reducing those.

If any.

Prior to maturity.

And so we don't have any.

Speaker 4: plans projected in our guidance of reducing that within 2022 for that 2023 maturity that you're referencing. As we have done in the past, we've been opportunistic. If there's an advantage to us versus that cost of carry for cash, we'll look to reduce that ahead of time. Or if there's pockets where we can buy at a discount, you've seen us.

Plans projected in our guidance of reducing that within 2022 for that 2023 maturity that you're referencing.

As we have done in the past we've been opportunistic if there is a advantage to us versus that cost of carry for cash will look too.

We will look to reduce that ahead of time or if there's pockets, where we can buy at a discount you've seen us do that in the marketplace as well. So our current forecast for 2022 does not assume debt repurchase losses.

Speaker 4: Do that in the marketplace as well. So our current forecast for 2022 does not assume debt repurchase loss

Got it thank you.

I do think it's important just to reemphasize on the debt repurchase losses that when we do incur those types of do enter into those types of transactions on those losses are generated it's because there's an.

Speaker 3: I do think it's important just to reemphasize on the debt repurchase losses that when we do incur those types of, do enter into those types of transactions and those losses are generated, it's because it's economically attractive for us to incur them now and recapture that through lower interest expense in future periods.

Economically attractive for us to incur them now and recapture that through lower interest expense in future periods.

And your next question comes from the line of Rick Shane with J P. Morgan.

Speaker 1: And your next question comes from the line of Rick Shane with JP Morgan.

Okay. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for taking my question just to be clear. So when we talk about the 10% growth on the BPO, that is really off the 260 number. I was a little confused. I thought I had it, but then I.

Just to be clear so when we talk about the 10% growth.

On the BP.

That is really off the $2 60 number.

It was a little confused I thought I had it but then I got a little confused.

Speaker 4: And going forward, I think that going forward into 2023, we're looking at this as long term, a business that can grow double digits. So 10 percent, that's appropriate as you think about the out here. So this is 23 and beyond.

Ed going.

Going forward I think that going forward into 2023, we're looking at this as long term a business that can grow double digits. So 10% that's appropriate as you think about the out years. So this is 23 and beyond.

Speaker 7: Got it. Okay. And then second question, look, obviously the runoff of the Felt portfolio is well understood, but when we look at the balance sheet, both the

Got it okay.

Then second question.

Look obviously the runoff of the <unk> portfolio is well understood.

But when we look at the balance sheet both the.

The consumer lending segment continues to shrink.

Speaker 7: the consumer lending segment continues to shrink modestly as well. When do you think there is the inflection point where that business will start to grow? I'm just starting to think about the balance sheet and where we will see growth and what's the time.

Honestly as well when do we think when do you think there is the inflection point, where that business will start to grow I'm starting to think about the balance sheet, and where we will see growth and what's the timeframe.

Speaker 3: Well, I think you're obviously on the felt side of the equation There's no real additions to that portfolio. And so that portfolio is going to amortize, you know on a fairly steady rate

Well I think obviously on the felt side of the equation. There is no real additions to that portfolio and so that portfolio is going to amortize.

Fairly steady rate.

Speaker 3: I think one of the things that we've been able to do very successfully over the course of time is maintain the margins in that business as the portfolio amortizes.

One of the things that we've been able to do.

Very successfully over the course of time is maintain the margins in that business as the portfolio amortize and really generate significantly higher levels of cash flow.

Speaker 3: and really generate significantly higher levels of cash flow than our forecast would have indicated just a few years ago.

And then our forecast would have indicated just a few years ago on the private side on the consumer lending portfolio or our portfolio actually would have increased this year, but for the loan sales that were completed in the first quarter. So I actually think you are seeing.

Speaker 3: On the private side, on the consumer lending portfolio, our portfolio actually would have increased this year, but for the loan sales that were completed in the first quarter. So I actually thank your

Speaker 3: We see an opportunity to continue to grow that portfolio in size. The contribution of earnings is changing a little bit as the refi portfolio, given its

There is.

We see an opportunity to continue to grow that portfolio and size. The contribution of earnings is changing a little bit as the refi portfolio given its.

Speaker 3: You know, super prime credit profile has lower net interest margins than the legacy private loan book, but we do believe that balance is in that portfolio.

Super Prime credit profile.

Has lower.

Net interest margins than than the legacy private loan book.

But we do believe that balances in that portfolio.

In fact, our growing.

Speaker 3: in fact, are growing, except for loan sales.

Except for loan sales.

Yeah.

Speaker 7: Got it, and clearly understood on the felt side, but when we think about the consumer segment, are.

Got it and clearly understood on the film side, but when we think about the consumer segment.

Sure.

Is the inflection.

Speaker 7: Really, in terms of accelerating that growth this year with the incentives to consolidate as rates move higher and as you move to more on campus in school lending.

Really in terms of accelerating that growth this year with the incentives to consolidate as rates move higher and as you move to.

Two more on campus in school lending.

Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a combination of the two. We see our opportunities in this space as being very interesting and strong in both the in-school lending side of the equation and in the refi marketplace. And in the in-school side, our focus is on probably on the higher end side of credit quality, really trying to address some of the concerns that you've seen in the marketplace about.

Well I think it's a combination of the two we see our opportunities in this space as being.

Very very interesting and strong in both the in school lending side of the equation and in the refi marketplace and in the in school side, where our focus is on.

Probably on the higher end side of credit quality really trying to address some of the concerns that you've seen in the marketplace about.

Speaker 3: you know, the value of a college degree.

The value of a college degree.

Speaker 3: and the ability of that degree to support the debt that is taken on in that site. So we're very focused on students who are attending schools where they have high graduation rates and high value added as a result of completion.

And the ability of that degree to support the debt that is taken on in that side. So we're very focused on students who are attending schools, where they have high graduation rates and high value added as a result of completion. We also have designed our programs to help students and families.

Speaker 3: We also have designed our programs to help students and families, and we really look at this as being a kind of a joint venture between the parents and the students here to support the repayment, to provide greater insight and information that allows them to appreciate, better appreciate,

And we really look at this as being a kind of a joint venture between the parents and the students here to support the repayment.

To provide greater insight and information that allows them to appreciate better appreciate.

Speaker 3: how making payments during the in-school period.

How making payments during the in school period.

Speaker 3: can reduce the overall finance cost of the product and so that these products are effectively more affordable and helpful to the students and the family.

It can reduce the overall finance cost of the product and so that these products are effectively more affordable and.

And helpful to the students and the families on the refi side of the equation. There is no question that the pause in the zero percent interest rate on the direct loan portfolio reduced demand. It's it's.

Speaker 3: On the refi side of the equation, there's no question that the pause in the zero percent interest rate on the direct loan portfolio reduced demand. We can't help a student or a borrower with outstanding direct loans reduce their interest expense if the government's charging them zero. And so we encourage those borrowers to take advantage of that zero percent interest rate.

We can't help a student or borrow with outstanding direct loans reduce their interest expense if the government's charging them zero and so we encourage those borrowers to take advantage of that zero percent interest rate.

Speaker 3: And once, as Joe mentioned, once that moratorium is lifted and the loans return to the statutory rate, that's when we would expect to be able to offer borrowers the

And once as Joe mentioned once that moratorium is lifted and the loans returned to the statutory rate that's when we would expect to.

Be able to.

Offer borrowers the programs that allow them to refinance their debt save thousands of dollars in interest expense and equally important pay their loans off faster.

Speaker 3: programs that allow them to refinance their debt, save thousands of dollars in interest expense, and equally important, pay their loans off faster. That's been the value-add of that product since the beginning, and it has been the focus in 2021, and it will be our focus in 2022.

That's been the value add of that product since the beginning and it has been the focus in 2021 and it will be our focus in 2022.

Got it and then just last question because it helps us tie out our model you shown you show a core earnings number of a loss of $67 million.

Speaker 7: Got it. And then just last question, because it helps us tie out our model, you show a core earnings number of a loss of $67 million.

Speaker 7: You show an adjusted core number of $122 million. You say that this excludes $229 million of restructuring and regulatory expenses.

You show, an adjusted core number of $122 million.

You say that this excludes.

229 million of restructuring and regulatory expenses, what's the tax rate on that because again, there is a little bit of a walk that missing connecting those two numbers.

Speaker 7: What's the tax rate on that? Because again, there's a little bit of, there's a walk that's missing connecting those two numbers, the 122.

122 are those three numbers.

Yes. So overall just think of our tax rate just is that 2003 and a half long term when we talk about guidance, but as the numbers you're referring to part of that was not tax deductible. So that's where the disconnect is in terms of that number so going forward just think about our guidance.

Speaker 4: So overall, just think of our tax rate just as that twenty three and a half long term when we talk about guidance. But as the numbers you're referring to, part of that was not tax deductible. So that's where the disconnect is in terms of of that number. So going forward, just think about our guidance here of three dollars and three three dollars to three dollars and 15 cents is using a twenty three and a half percent tax rate.

Here are $3 three.

$3 to $3 15 is using a 23, 5% tax rate.

Speaker 7: I'm just trying to tie out, was the tax rate about 17% on the adjustment this quarter?

Understood I'm, just trying to tie out.

Was the tax rate about 17% on the adjustment this quarter.

I think that that's roughly true yes.

Okay.

Thank you guys.

Speaker 1: And your next question comes from the line of Moshe Orenbach with Credits.

And your next question comes from the line of most Moshe Orenbuch with credit Suisse.

Great. Thanks, I was hoping to just talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 8: Great, thanks. I was hoping to just talk a little bit about the forecast for the margin on the private side and how much of that do you think, you know, kind of is, is, is, is Nick.

The forecast for the margin on the private side, how much of that do you.

Think kind of is.

Is mix.

Speaker 8: now that you've got the really dominant piece of it really is the refinance business.

Now that you've got really dominant piece of it really as the refinance business and kind of tie it into your comments on.

Speaker 8: kind of tie it into your comments on, you know, being able to, uh, you know, to, to raise price.

Being able to.

To raise price I mean, it seems that Ernest had been its kind of a lower end not the lowest at the lower end competitors in terms of the rates that you're charging at least on fixed rate, maybe you can kind of.

Speaker 8: It seems that Ernest had been at kind of the lower end, not the lowest, but the lower end of competitors in terms of the rates they've been charging, at least on fixed rate. Maybe you can kind of talk about it both from a...

Talk about it both from a financial and a competitive standpoint.

And so just from a mix shift if you think about last year, our refi product represented about just under 40% of our book. This year were just under 50%. So a large driver of as we look into this year.

Speaker 4: And so just from a mixed shift, if you think about last year, our refi product represented about just under 40% of our book. This year, we're just under 50%.

Speaker 4: So a large driver of as we look into this year and beyond is that second half of the year with the end of or the expected end of CARES Act and what that means for our mix. So I would say that.

And beyond is that second half of the year with the end of the expected end of cares Act and what that means for our mix. So I would say that that is more the driver here of our guidance and it's something that we've been talking about for several quarters, just as that mix.

Speaker 4: That is more the driver here of our our guidance and it's something that we've been talking about for several quarters just as that mix comes through here for this quarter, you saw the impact of the reserve against the.

Comes through here for this quarter you saw the impact.

The reserve against the.

Speaker 4: you know, the 90-day delinquencies as that bucket moved, but we feel confident that that's something that, you know, as borrowers enter into repayment.

The 90 day delinquencies as that bucket move, but we feel confident that that's something that as borrowers enter into repayment that youll see an elevated level of those before coming back down to more normalized levels and offsetting that somewhat again, it's going to be the mix of the high quality.

Speaker 4: that you'll see an elevated level of those before coming back down to more normalized levels.

Speaker 4: And offsetting that somewhat, again, is going to be the mix of the high-quality refinanced loans that were originating here.

Refinance loans that were originating here.

Speaker 8: Joe, maybe I'm not getting it, but the impact from the loans going 90 days past due, that's all on the legacy private portfolio. That's not on the refi portfolio because the total delinquency there was very low.

Jim maybe just maybe I'm not getting it but the impact from the loans going 90 days past due that's all on the legacy private portfolio, that's not on the refi portfolio because the total delinquency there was very low rate.

Correct, but when talking about the overall NIM for the company correct. That's what I was right. If thats the case that that would that would actually help.

Speaker 8: Correct, but when talking about the overall NIM for the company, that's what I was referring to. If that's the case, that would actually help.

Speaker 8: You know, in other words, that would mean that the impact from the private sector.

In other words that would mean that the impact from the private.

Speaker 8: Excuse me, from the refinance NIM has to be even larger because you actually had a lower NIM than quote unquote normal on.

NIM.

Do you think with the refinancing that has to be even larger because you actually had a lower demand.

<unk> quote normal on.

On the.

Speaker 8: you know, on the legacy portfolio, right? I mean, and if you're talking about something, I mean, you're talking about a decline of, you know, of 10% in your NIM, right? You know, on average about 30 basis points on 300, right? Maybe if you, you know, I guess I'm just trying to understand arithmetically how that makes shift.

On the legacy portfolio right.

Talking about something.

I mean, you're talking about a decline.

10% in your NIM right.

On average about 30 basis points on 300, <unk>, maybe I guess I'm, just trying to understand arithmetically, how that mix shift.

Kind of works.

Speaker 3: Well, I do think this this is Jack Moshe. I think one of the things to remember is that because of the COVID-19 payment relief options, the reserve on interest was virtually non-existent in the portfolio as few loans as borrowers were going into delinquent statuses, they were offered forbearance relief at at higher rates.

While I do think this is Jack Moshe I think one of the things to remember is that because of the COVID-19 payment relief options.

Reserve on interest was virtually nonexistent in the portfolio as few loans as <unk>.

Borrowers were going into delinquent status as they were offered forbearance relief.

At higher rates.

Speaker 8: as those programs came to an end in 2021 and borrowers returned to repayment, you get back to a more normalized level of interest reserve there, but the buildup is what's unusual, right? So that was the initial step of getting going from zero to whatever our delinquency rates would be in a normalized environment is what drives that. Jack, I'm right with you there. I'm just saying that if you're talking about a 10-point next shift.

As those programs came to an end in 2021 and borrowers returned to repayment.

Get back to a more normalized level of interest.

Interest reserve there, but the buildup is whats unusual right. So that was the initial step of getting going from zero to whatever our delinquency rates would be in a normalized environment is what drives that Jack I'm right with you. There I'm just I'm just saying if you are talking about a 10 point mix shift on.

On a 3% margin and.

Speaker 8: and a 30 basis point drop, the margin on that 10 points has got to be 0 to bring the average down 30. Right?

And a 30 basis point drop the margin on that 10 points, it's got to be zero to bring the average down 30 isn't that just arithmetic.

Yeah.

Speaker 3: Well, it's I mean, there's a combination of factors that go into this, but it is, you know, it's the shorter average life of the portfolio and the

Well, it's I mean.

There's a combination of factors that go into this but it is.

It's the shorter average life of the portfolio and the.

Speaker 3: the impact that that particularly has, and it's the combination of the declining component of the legacy side of the equation. And I would also just add the piece that comes into this as well, is that when we sold some of the loans earlier in the year, we're selling some of the...

The impact that that particularly has.

And then and it's the combination of the declining component of the legacy side of the equation and I would also just add the piece that comes into this as well is that when we sold some of the loans earlier in the year, we're selling some of.

That was a.

Speaker 3: higher risk portfolio and so it had higher margins than some of our other legacy related assets.

Ah.

Higher risk portfolio and so it had higher margins than some of our other legacy related assets Alright, I think we'll take it offline.

Speaker 3: we'll take it off. So there is movement on the legacy side as well.

There is movement on the legacy side as well.

Okay.

Speaker 1: And your next question comes from Mark Deveries with Barclays.

And your next question comes from Mark Devries with Barclays.

Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you. Had a follow up question on the Feltman. Could you talk about the sensitivity of your guidance to the number of rate hikes? Kind of what the upside downside is if you get, you know, more or fewer hikes than expected?

Yes. Thank you had a follow up question on the felt NIM could you just talk about the sensitivity of your guidance to the number of rate hikes and kind of what the upside downside is if you get more or fewer.

And expected.

Sure. So the way that the rate hikes are forecasted over the course of the year. If we were to have less rate hikes.

Speaker 4: Sure, so the way that the rate hikes are forecasted over the course of the year, if we were to have less rate hikes than expected, again, it's more on the shape of the curve and what the expectations are going in. So I would, again, focus on...

And again, it's more on the shape of the curve and what the expectations are going in so I would again focus on one month LIBOR, but ultimately just from a hedge perspective, and where we are I think.

Speaker 4: one-month LIBOR. But ultimately, just from a hedge perspective and where we are, I think, as I quoted earlier, the $14 million of loss of floor income assumes those four rate hikes over the year. If that does not occur, then you would see relatively flat

Quoted earlier, the $14 million of loss of floor income assumes those four rate hikes over the year. If that does not occur then you would see relatively flat floor income if LIBOR continues to maintain at these low levels and you don't see that we would certainly benefit the question is.

Speaker 4: floor income if LIBOR continues to maintain at these low levels, and you don't see that, we would certainly benefit. The question is, what are our expectations, and whether you get those assets reset.

What are what our expectations and whether you get that those asset.

<unk>.

Speaker 4: So, from that standpoint, I'd say $14 million is really your sensitivity in terms of a potential upside on putting us back in the high 90s or beyond.

So from that standpoint, I'd say $14 million is really your sensitivity in terms of a potential upside on putting us in the back in the high <unk> or beyond.

Okay great.

Speaker 9: Okay, great. And then just a question on how we should expect kind of the in-school originations to ramp. Any color on, you know, as you look at 2021, how much was from first-time borrowers and what 2022 looks like as you try to recapture those and then market to new students?

And then just a question on how we should expect kind of the in school originations to ramp.

Any color on that.

If you look at 2020 , one how much was from.

First time borrowers and what 2022, it looks like as you try to recapture those and then market to new students.

Speaker 4: In terms of in-school originations, as I talked about on the third quarter, which is the primary driver or the primary source of our originations for the year, a little over 70 percent of our loans were from first-time borrowers.

In terms of in school origination so as I talked about on the third quarter, which is the primary driver or the primary source of our originations for the year little over 70% of our loans were from first time borrowers.

Okay got it thank you.

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Speaker 1: Your next question comes from the line of John Hecht with Jeffrey.

Your next question comes from the line of John Hecht with Jefferies.

Speaker 6: Uh, hey guys, thanks very much for taking my questions. I'm going back to the business payment services. Um, you said the $260 million run rate.

Hey, guys. Thanks, very much for taking my questions.

Going back to the business payment services.

So the $260 million run rate.

Speaker 6: Is that evenly distributed over the course of the year, or is some pandemic-related contract going to be expiring over the year? And then also...

Is that evenly distributed over the course of the year or did some pandemic related contracts going to be expiring over the year and then also.

Speaker 10: You know, on top of that, what's the run rate of servicing related revenues and asset recovery related revenues, you know, in that kind of in that category?

On top of that what's the run rate of servicing related revenues and asset recovery related revenues.

And that kind of in that category of business.

Speaker 4: So you do have a little bit of a benefit from the pandemic related contracts in January and February , as there's expiration dates that that are occurring. So, in terms of that to sixty, you're probably in that call it ten to fifteen million dollar range in terms of a benefit in the first quarter compared to future quarters. If we do not see any extensions of those contracts in terms of the.

So you do have a little bit of a benefit from the pandemic related contracts in January and February as there's expiration dates that are occurring so in terms of that $2 62.

Probably in that call it $10 million to $15 million range in terms of a benefit in the first quarter compared to future quarters. If we do not see any extensions of those contracts.

In terms of the <unk>.

Speaker 10: the servicing revenues going forward. Are you referring just to BPS, or are you looking at the federal education loan segment as well? Yeah, the federal. Stuff on top of the BPS, the 260, because you guys have additional servicing revenue and asset recovery revenues.

The servicing revenues going forward are you, referring just to bps or are you looking at the federal education loans segment as well, yes, the federal the federal stuff on top of.

The bps the $2 60, because you guys have additional servicing revenue in asset recovery revenue as well.

Speaker 4: Right, so I would characterize that as solely on the federal education side and serving solely related to FELP loans at this point. So just as the natural amortization of the FELP portfolio, that's a decent way to proxy and all else being equal is just as the portfolio is run down and FELP continues to amortize, although there's some moving pieces that that's a general rule of thumb of how that portfolio or how that revenue is going to decline. Okay, so that

Alright, so I would characterize that is that is solely on the federal education side and the service is solely related to felt loans at this point. So just as the natural amortization of the <unk> portfolio, that's a decent way to proxy at all else being equal as just as the portfolios run down and felt continues to amortize.

Although there is some moving pieces that thats a general.

Rule of thumb of how that portfolio or how that revenue is going to decline.

Okay, so that $18 million of servicing revenue will just kind of linearly move lower with the <unk> portfolio and then what about.

Speaker 10: kind of linearly move lower with the Felt portfolio? And then what about asset recovery?

Asset recovery activity.

Speaker 4: I would say that that's a fair number as well in terms of asset recovery in that line item. So, again, it.

I would say that that's a fair number as well in terms of asset recovery in that line item. So again.

Speaker 4: At this point, in terms of the federal education portfolio, that is all FELF related. So going forward, that 12 million you saw last quarter, it was 13 million. I would say just, again, assume that from a modeling perspective that it runs alongside the amortization of FELF.

At this point in terms of the federal education portfolio that is all self related so going forward that that $12 million saw last quarter. It was $13 million I would say just again assume that from.

From a modeling perspective that it runs alongside the amortization itself.

Okay and then second question is the transfer to Maximus you guys mentioned, I think $20 million of offsetting payments.

Speaker 10: Okay, and then second question is the transfer to Maximus, you guys mentioned I think 20 million of offsetting payments.

Speaker 10: think in the fourth quarter? What do we think about adjustments and competition related to that going forward and how long does that last?

In the fourth quarter.

Like what do we think about adjustments.

Compensation related to that going forward and how long does that last.

Speaker 4: And so the vast majority of the expenses occurred here in the fourth quarter as it relates to the TSA. So going forward, and that was the transfer of the employees that occurred in the fourth quarter. So that $20 million is a fairly decent number to actually use for the full year. So that $20 million, just as you exit certain aspects of that agreement, is going to run down.

And so the vast majority of the expenses occurred here in the fourth quarter as it relates to the TSA. So going forward and that was the transfer of the employees that occurred in the fourth quarter. So that $20 million is a fairly decent number to actually use for the full year, so that $20 million just as.

You exit certain aspects of that agreement is going to run down, but just to be clear 20 million for the fourth quarter related to the TSA and then our expectations for the full year of 2022 would be $20 million.

Speaker 4: Just to be clear, $20 million for the fourth quarter related to the TSA, and then our expectations for the full year of 2022 would be $20 million.

Speaker 4: And is that in other income, or where do we get that? That is in other income. So that is where you saw the shift from servicing income that I talked about in the third quarter to other income.

And is that in other income or where do we get that it is in other income. So that is where you saw the shift from servicing income that I talked about in the third quarter to other income.

Okay.

Speaker 10: And then final question is, just refresh me, as rates go up, how do private loans reset?

And then final question is just refresh me as rates go up how does how do private loans reset is it is it.

Speaker 10: Is there a period of time during the year you're allowed to reset it or does it just reset immediately with some benchmark?

Is there a period of time during the year, you're allowed to reset it or does it just reset immediately with some benchmark.

For new originations or for our.

Speaker 10: for new originations or for our? Well, for the generally speaking for the private loan portfolio.

For the generally speaking for the private loan portfolio.

Yes, so for the portfolio it depends on the securitization, but that it will be typically either monthly or quarterly resets.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so for the portfolio, it depends on the securitization, but that will be typically either monthly or quarterly resets.

Great. Thank you guys very much.

Speaker 1: Your next question comes from the line of Bill Ryan with Seaport Research.

And your next question comes from the line of Bill Ryan with Seaport restarts.

Speaker 11: Good morning, thanks for taking my questions. Just following up first on the expected volume, you talked about a 10 percent increase to about, I think, $7 billion.

Good morning, Thanks for taking my questions just.

Following up first on the expected volume you talked about a 10% increase to about I think $7 billion.

Speaker 11: If you break it apart between consolidation and in school, what kind of relative growth rates are you expecting between the two? And then in relation to that question, if the payment holiday is extended beyond May 1st, how do you see that impacting the overall?

If you break it apart between consolidation and in school, what kind of relative growth rates are you expecting between the two and then.

In relation to that question.

If the payment holiday has extended beyond may 1st how do you see that impacting the overall number.

Speaker 3: So we are expecting significantly higher growth rates, Bill, in our in-school lending, primarily because we're starting off a small base, and as Joe mentioned, the vast majority of the loans we made this year were to first-time borrowers, so we

So we are expecting significantly higher growth rates Bill and are in school lending.

Primarily because we're starting off a small base and as Joe mentioned, the vast majority of the loans. We made this year were to first time borrowers so.

Speaker 3: expect to add new first-time borrowers and then grow.

We expect to add new first time borrowers and then grow grow.

Speaker 3: off of the loans we made this year through a serialization process as we finance the next academic year. So the growth rate is over 100% in that bulk of business.

Half of the loans, we made this year through a serialization processes, we finance the next academic year, so the growth rates over 100% in that in that book of business.

Speaker 3: We're overall, in total, forecasting a 16 percent increase in originations from 6 billion to 7. And that, as we said, that takes into consideration an assumption of four rate hikes and a return or the ending of the zero percent interest rate at the end of May. If it doesn't happen, obviously, that would, you know,

Overall in total forecasting a 16% increase in originations from 6 billion to seven.

And that as well.

We said that takes into consideration or an assumption of four rate hikes, and a return or the ending of the zero percent interest rate.

At the end of May.

If it doesn't happen obviously that would.

<unk>.

Speaker 3: reduce some demand on the refi side of the equation, but I think as we pointed out and demonstrated in 2021.

Reduce some demand on the refi.

<unk> side of the equation, but I think as we pointed out and demonstrated in 2021, we were still able to grow originations by 30% last year, even though the zero percent interest rate was in place for the full for the full year and that was simply by focusing more on students with <unk>.

Speaker 3: You know, we were still able to grow originations by 30 percent last year, even though the zero percent interest rate was in place for the full year, and that was simply by...

Speaker 3: focusing more on students with private student loans.

With private student loans.

Speaker 11: where there was a distinct benefit from refinancing those loans to a lower rate. And obviously we're continuing to market and trying to expand that segment of our population as well. Okay. One just follow-up question. You got a new...

Whereas there was a distinct benefit from refinancing those loans to a lower rate.

And we've continued obviously, we're continuing to market.

And try to trying to expand that segment of our population as well.

Okay. One just follow up question.

You got a new shareholder obviously in December .

Speaker 11: It sounds like I might be a little bit more of an activist-type sort of holder. Looking at your history, there's been previous attempts to, let's just say, expedite the value extraction. You did a very good job of that last year with the loan sale.

It sounds like there might be a little bit more of an activist type shareholder looking at your history. There has been previous attempts to.

Let's just say expedite the value extraction, you did a very good job of that last year with the loan sale.

Speaker 11: I'm kind of curious how you're viewing the new shareholder. What's the dialogue been like with them? Are you kind of viewing it as more of a normal shareholder, or do you think they might be a little bit more active?

I'm kind of curious how you are viewing the new shareholder what's the dialogue been like with them as it or you're kind of viewing it as more of a normal shareholder or do you think they might be a little bit more activist. Thanks.

Well I think the big differences.

Speaker 3: Well, I think that the big difference is that it's a very large percentage holding shareholders. So we, you know, but with like all shareholders, we work with.

It's a very large percentage holding shareholders, so but with like all shareholders we work with.

Speaker 3: We work with them, we look to understand what their points of view are, to be able to explain how we are running the business, how we think we can create and deliver value, and we would expect to have that kind of similar dialogue here.

We work with them, we look to understand what their points of view are.

To be able to explain how we are running the business. How we think we can create and deliver value.

And we would expect to have that kind of a similar dialogue here.

We will we'll have to see how this.

Speaker 3: You know, we will have to see how this evolves over time, but, you know, I think to date, it's been very constructive, very positive, and don't see why that would change going into 2022.

Evolves over time, but I think to date, it's been very constructive very positive and don't see why that would change going into 2022.

Yes.

Thank you.

Speaker 12: And your next question comes from the line of Shaina Cui with Bank of America. Hey, good morning, guys. You mentioned... Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

And your next question comes from the line of Shanghai.

With bank of America.

Hey, good morning, guys.

You mentioned that you could be opportunistic and buying back debt in the open market could you just comment on whether that would be more focused on near term maturities trading at premiums or the longer dated bonds that are trading below par.

Speaker 12: on whether that would be more focused on near-term maturities, trading at premiums.

Speaker 4: And so typically what you've seen from us is a focus on the front end of the curve at this point We feel very confident in terms of our our cash position where we are today and going into 23 and and beyond

And so typically what <unk> seen from US is a focus on the front end of the curve at this point, we feel very confident in terms of our our cash position, where we are today and going into 'twenty three and beyond.

Speaker 4: So, from that perspective, I would say, yes, if there's opportunities to buy back on the front end, we'll look at that, and that's traditionally where our focus has been. But just if you look in the last three years, we've also bought bonds that are maturing beyond 2030. So, it really depends on...

From that perspective, I would say, yes, if there's opportunities to buy back on the front ends, we'll we'll look at that and Thats traditionally where our focus has been.

But just if you look in the last three years. We've also bought bonds that are maturing beyond 2030, so it really depends on.

Speaker 4: What we're looking at, what the opportunities are here, who's willing to trade at levels that are attractive to us, and we look at that as just managing our cash flows.

What we're looking at what the opportunities are here, who whose.

Willing to trade at levels that are attractive to us and we look at that as just managing our cash flows to the maturity schedule. So today, we're in a great position going into 2022 2023.

Speaker 13: to the maturity schedule. So today we're in a great position going into 2022, 2023. That is why we don't have any forecasted debt repurchases going on this year into 23. But if there's an opportunity that presents itself, much like in years past, we'll take advantage of that. Thanks. And then I guess.

That is why we don't have any forecasted debt repurchases going on this year into 'twenty three but if there is an opportunity that.

<unk> presents itself much like in years past we.

We will take advantage of that.

And then I guess.

Follow up question just wanted to touch on credit ratings.

With Covid you guys were downgraded by S&P.

Just wanted to get your thoughts on whether you have to.

Speaker 12: thoughts on whether you have goals to kind of get back to the double B ratings at.

Kind of get back to the double B ratings at S&P and just given the context of your $400 million share repurchases and the ongoing CFPB.

Just that you guys mentioned potentially.

Have a resolution this year.

And so I think we have a constructive dialogue and positive relationship with the rating agencies certainly much like most companies. We feel that we should be rated higher than where we are I think we've done a great job of de risking the company. This year, specifically, putting as you mentioned that the AG matters behind us so.

Speaker 4: So I think we have a constructive dialogue and positive relationship with the rating agencies. Certainly, much like most companies, we feel that we should be rated higher than where we are. I think we've done a great job of de-risking the company this year, specifically putting, as you mentioned, the AG matters behind us. So if you look at what the rating agencies have pointed to over the last several years, it has been our maturity profile.

If you look at what the rating agencies have pointed to over the last several years and has been our maturity profile.

Speaker 4: Right now we're in one of the best positions we've ever seen as Navient going into 2022 and 2023, so that has been taken off the table and you don't see that in the dialogue from any of the agencies.

We've probably been where right now we are in one of the best position, we've ever seen as Navient going into 2022 and 23. So that has been taken off the table and you don't see that in the dialogue from in any of the agencies.

Speaker 4: The other points that they've made in the past is just demonstrating the growth of our other businesses. What do we look like five years from now? I think we've got great color and visibility into that. So again, from that perspective, we've taken that argument off of the table as well. For us, the RAC ratio, as you referenced, S&P, that's something that

The other points that they've made in the past is just demonstrating the growth of our other businesses. What do we look like five years from now I think we've got great color and visibility into that so again from that perspective, we've taken that argument of off of the table as well.

For us the rack ratio as you referenced S&P.

That's something that we.

Speaker 4: You know, we talk about our adjusted tangible equity ratio of six percent. It's something that factors into their rack ratio. And again, quantitatively, we should be rated a notch higher than where we are. So we feel we've done a good job of positioning ourselves for at least moving towards a positive outlook and a potential ratings upgrade from where we are today. And that factors in the 400 million of share repurchases that we have planned for this year.

When we talk about our adjusted tangible equity ratio of 6% and something that factors into their rack ratio and again quantitatively, we should be rated a notch higher than where we are so we feel we've done a good job of positioning ourselves for at.

At least moving towards a positive outlook and a potential ratings upgrade from where we are today and that factors in the $400 million of share repurchases that we have planned for this year.

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1: And there are no further questions in queue at this time, so I would like to turn the call back over to Nathan Rutledge.

And there are no further questions in queue at this time, so I would like to turn the call back over to Nathan Rutledge.

Speaker 2: Thanks, Debra. We'd like to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. Please contact me if you have any other follow-up questions. This concludes today's call. Bye.

Thanks, Deborah we'd like to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. Please contact me. If you have any other follow up questions. This concludes today's call.

Sure.

Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation you may now disconnect your lines.

Q4 2021 Navient Corp Earnings Call

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Navient

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Q4 2021 Navient Corp Earnings Call

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Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 at 1:00 PM

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