Q4 2021 Progress Software Corp Earnings Call
Welcome to the progress Software Corporation Q4, 2021 earnings call. My name is Darrel and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer stack that during the question and answer exactly and if you have a question. Please press Star then one on your Touchtone phone.
I will now turn the call Mike Mitchell K, Mike you may begin.
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Okay. Thank you Darryl good afternoon, everyone and thanks for joining us for progress Software's fiscal fourth quarter 2021 financial results conference call with US today is Yogesh Gupta, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Anthony Folger, Chief Financial Officer before we get started I'd like to remind you that during this call we will discuss our outlook for future <unk>.
Natural and operating performance corporate strategies capital allocation product plans cost initiatives or integration of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our business and other information that might be considered forward looking.
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This forward looking information represents progress software's outlook and guidance only as of today and are subject to risks and uncertainties for a description of the risk factors that may affect our results. Please refer to our SEC filings in particular, the section captioned risk factors in our most recent Form 10-Q .
Progress software assumes no obligation to update the forward looking statements included in this call, whether a result of new developments or otherwise.
Additionally, on this call all the financial figures, we discuss are non-GAAP measures unless otherwise indicated you.
You can find a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP numbers in our financial results press release, which was issued after the market closed today and is also available on our website.
Document contains the full details of our financial results for the fiscal fourth quarter of 2021, and the full fiscal year 2021, and I recommend you referenced it for specific details.
We also have prepared a presentation that contains supplemental data for our fourth quarter and full fiscal year results, providing highlights and additional financial metrics. Both the earnings release in this presentation are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at investors Dot progress Dot com.
Today's conference call will be recorded in its entirety and webcast and a webcast replay will be available on the Investor Relations section of our website.
With that I'll now turn it over to Yogesh.
Thank you Mike.
Hello, everyone and welcome.
I'm very excited to be here today to discuss our results for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021.
Capstone to one of the best years ever for progress.
I will also share some highlights of the full year.
And then talk about the success of our total strategy thus far.
And I will wrap up with our outlook going forward.
So let's get started.
Following three quarters in which you beat our estimates and guidance we delivered another standout quarter.
Our fourth quarter results exceeded guidance for all metrics.
It did so without the benefit of timing of revenue recognition or large one time deals.
The results reflect the continued success of.
Our go to market strategy.
And its strong demand environment.
Our Q4 and fiscal 2021 outperformance was evident across the board and virtually all of our product lines and across all geographies.
We benefited from the generally strong economy as well as from the renewed it budgets of our customers.
For example, a global financial organization significantly expanded its use of <unk> with a seven figure expansion deal.
And politico vessels close the largest deal in its history.
Thankfully the cloud continues to see increasing adoption winning customers across industries, such as manufacturing retail and platinum.
And what's the book took advantage of opportunities presented by customers seeking alternative network monitoring solutions, enabling it to build on the positive momentum from prior quarters.
This strong unprecedented demand.
Excellent sales execution.
With the contribution of care.
Built on a growth trend for annualized recurring revenue.
<unk>, which grew by over 12% this quarter.
We exited the year with $486 million.
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And our net dollar retention rate was again above 100% as.
As customers remain committed to our products and in many cases expanded their use.
Another Q4 highlights.
Our acquisition of <unk>.
November .
<unk> provides us with the best application expedient and load balancing products on the market.
Along with a long list of great customers and strengthens our already deep bench of talented engineers and sales people.
The <unk> integration is off to a great start.
And without disrupting the <unk> business.
We achieved significant integration milestones in the first 30 days after closing.
I am confident that as well.
Switch and shift before it can be.
We will exceed our expectations on value creation for our shareholders.
As excited as we ought to Boston.
Already looking forward to repeating the success of our total growth strategy.
By executing on our next opportunity.
Create and return meaningful value to our shareholders.
Let me now share some details about what made FY 'twenty one.
Such a strong and in many ways unprecedented year of success for progress.
<unk> 21, we saw a sustained level of increased demand for our products.
Our sales and product team sees the opportunity presented by this includes demand, enabling us to beat and raise guidance this quarter.
Some of this demand was indeed pent up some cogs.
But by offering the best products to develop deploy and manage business applications in an ever changing business climate, we were positioned to capitalize on that demand.
And this demand remained strong into the new year.
Fiscal 2021 was indeed, an extraordinary year.
While open it remains our workforce and the.
Customers, who use it extremely loyal and sticky.
We saw strength across all of our products with marquee wins.
Sure data direct.
<unk>, what's the gold Telerik Dev tools and others.
None of us would have been possible without an amazing team.
The lingering pandemic has been extremely challenging for everyone.
Progress our people have worked hard with dedication and commitment.
In the face of ongoing adversity.
The talented <unk> team remains highly motivated and highly effective and I could not be prouder of them for their performance in 2021.
This dedication translated to are being recognized as an employer of choice around the globe.
So the first time in our history.
Forbes magazine named progress as one of America's Best Midsize employers.
And again named as the best company to work for in Bulgaria, where we have nearly 500 employees.
The Boston Globe, and the Boston business Journal, both put progress on it on the exclusive best places to work list.
And we again want to Seabee and the 2021 American business Awards, including a gold award for our corporate social responsibility program.
Let me now reflect a bit on what we've accomplished since we launched our total growth strategy three years ago.
We launched this ambitious strategy with the goal of increasing shareholder value through a highly disciplined M&A strategy.
At the same time, we can.
Committed to strengthening our highly profitable core businesses.
The remaining intensely focused on operational excellence with the objective of doubling our revenue in five years.
To date.
The plan on executing our total growth strategy.
Three years into it our revenue was up approximately 60% and EPS has increased nearly 70%.
When we launched strategy.
It was to sustain operating margins above 35%.
With the goal of increasing margins as we scaled up our business through acquisition.
We have continued to exceed 35% margin since then including achieving operating margins of 40% in fiscal 2020, and 41% in FY 'twenty one.
Both of these years were aided by Covid <unk> impact on spending.
But we are still forecasting margins of 39%.
So 2020.
There aren't many software companies, who are able to balance between goals.
Growing revenue.
And doing so profitably.
Effectively as we have shown.
In addition to growing our revenues and margins.
Our acquisitions have also made our product portfolio, even more robust.
Today, we're proud to provide the best products to develop deploy and manage high impact applications and experiences.
What's the goal from the.
The <unk> acquisition, and <unk>, and loadmaster, which came from the <unk> acquisition.
Our best in class offerings to manage and ensure the delivery of.
Application experience.
They provide full stack observer ability and automate optimum performance of modern applications.
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Adding product for Dev ops and desktop.
Induced by a growing number of enterprise customers to secure and automate the deployment of the.
Cloud and on Prem infrastructure.
And the secure and highly performing data movement capability such as move it.
Complement the high performance secure and reliable data access capabilities.
Data direct offices.
Enabling customers to access and move data from anywhere to anywhere.
Our political kendo UI products continue to innovate to lead the market and making it easy for developers to build amazing user experiences.
Open edge continues to power business applications of more than 1500, Isps and thousands of other enterprises.
Our product portfolio has never been stronger.
More relevant than it is today.
A key to our total book strategy remains acquiring good businesses at the right price.
We're extremely disciplined in our M&A strategy.
Returns on our two prior transactions exceeded even our most optimistic projections and offer proof points that we can deliver returns that significantly exceed our cost of capital.
And we are well on our way to achieving the same results.
The M&A market remains very promising.
And we are actively seeking opportunities to put capital to work even in the current hyper competitive market.
Our corporate development team.
Mr Vet dozens of candidates each quarter.
We believe the best way to create solid returns for shareholders is to keep making disciplined acquisitions, while at the same time leveraging operational synergies among the products technology and customers we acquire.
Now moving on to fiscal year 'twenty two.
We expect demand to continue to be robust.
We're off to a good start as our customers continue to invest in that existing progress infrastructure and have the willingness and the capacity to do so.
As always the big.
Total loyal customers, who are shareholders and our employees for their hard work and dedication, especially in these difficult times.
As Anthony will explain we remain very optimistic about our future prospects.
With that.
I will turn it over to Anthony for the financial overview.
Our forward outlook.
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Turning to Yogesh.
Good afternoon, everyone and thanks for joining our call.
As I'm sure you heard and Yogesh. His remarks were very pleased with our performance in the fourth quarter with.
With results exceeding the high end of our guidance ranges on every financial metric.
We're also delighted to have closed the acquisition of Kim.
And we're pleased with the progress of the integration to date.
Turning now to the numbers.
Starting on the topline.
Revenue for the quarter of $143 7 million.
Represents 11% growth over the prior year.
Reflecting stronger than anticipated demand.
Our open edge data direct ship and Dev tools products.
In addition to strong operating results, we closed the <unk> acquisition as planned.
Ensuring <unk> contribution to Q4 was in line with our expectations.
For the full year revenue of $557 3 million, representing 22% growth compared to 2020.
This year over year growth is comprised of our full year revenue contribution from chef.
A one month revenue contribution from camp.
And growth across multiple other product lines, most notably open edge.
Consistent with our growth in revenue.
We also saw growth in IRR throughout 2021.
Closing the year with $486 million of IRR.
Which represents 12% growth on a year over year basis in.
And three 4% growth on a pro forma year over year basis.
And to be clear the pro forma results include camp in both periods.
In.
Additionally, our net retention rates showed continued strength in the fourth quarter once again exceeding 100%.
With customer retention rates remaining consistently strong throughout the year.
And with an improved demand environment fueling growth across our portfolio.
We're thrilled with our topline results for 2021.
What's more.
Yogesh mentioned in his remarks.
We remain optimistic that some of this increased demand will continue into 2022.
More on that in a bit.
Turning to expenses total costs and operating expenses were $92 million for the quarter up 14% over the year ago quarter and.
And $328 million for the full year.
Up 20% compared to 2020.
For the quarter the increase in costs and operating expenses was driven by an increase in variable expense associated with our topline over performance.
Combined with an increase in our cost base.
<unk> from the acquisition of <unk>.
For the full year the increase in costs and operating expenses was driven by a full year of activity for sure.
And one month of activity for camp.
As well as increased variable expense associated with our better than expected top line performance.
Operating income for the quarter was $52 million.
For an operating margin of 36%.
Compared to $48 million in the year ago quarter.
For the full year.
Operating income was $229 million.
From an operating margin of 41%.
That's an increase of $46 million or 100 basis points compared to 2020.
Earnings per share were 92 for the quarter.
An improvement of <unk> <unk> compared to the year ago quarter.
And for the full year earnings per share was $3 87.
An increase of 78.
Or 25% compared to 2020.
Moving on now to a few balance sheet and cash flow items.
We ended the year with $157 million in cash cash equivalents and short term investments.
And approximately $100 million in untapped capacity under our revolving line of credit.
For total liquidity of $257 million.
In addition, we had a debt balance of $627 million, which is comprised of our term loan in.
In the amount of $267 million.
And $360 million in convertible notes.
DSO for the quarter was 60 days.
Compared to 54 days in the fourth quarter of 2020.
The increase in DSO was driven by the timing of billings with much of our billings upside coming very late in the quarter.
Deferred revenue was $252 million at the end of the fourth quarter.
Up $59 million from a year ago, reflecting the addition of <unk> deferred revenue.
And an increase in non comp related deferred revenue.
Adjusted free cash flow was $42 4 million for the quarter up 4%.
Compared to the year ago quarter.
For the full year adjusted free cash flow was $179 million.
That's an increase of 26% compared to 2020.
We did not repurchase any stock during the fourth quarter.
As a result at the end of Q4.
We had $155 million remaining under our current share repurchase authorization.
Now I'd like to turn to our outlook for Q1 and the full year 2022.
When considering our outlook it is important to keep in mind the following.
First we.
We expect exchange rates to have a negative impact on our 2022 outlook when compared to 2021.
We estimate that the negative impact on our revenue is approximately $7 5 million.
And the negative impact on our earnings is approximately <unk> <unk> per share.
Next as Yogesh highlighted 2021 was a year of meaningful topline growth.
Across virtually all of our product lines.
We recognize that some of the demand driving this growth was pent up COVID-19 related 2020 demand.
But not all of it was.
So for 2022.
Although we believe the pent up demand has dissipated we.
We do expect continued strength in the demand environment.
Resulting in slight growth from our non QM products.
Even against our unusually strong 2021.
Next our expectations for camp and Kemps contribution to 2022 have remained largely unchanged from our earlier estimates.
In that we anticipate our full year revenue contribution of nearly $70 million.
This equates to more than $60 million of incremental revenue compared to <unk> 2021 contribution.
Also as previously mentioned we.
We expect the integration of camp to continue throughout 2022.
As a result, we expect to recognize cost synergies gradually during the year and to exit the year with an operating margin contribution from Tampa of at least 40%.
Finally, when developing our outlook.
We assumed that some of our expenses related to travel events and other in person activities will increase in the second half of 2022 as COVID-19 restrictions ease and conditions begin to improve.
With that for the first quarter of 2022, we expect revenue between 139 and $142 million. This.
This includes a full quarter contribution from camp.
And earnings per share between <unk> 83, and 85.
For the full year 2022.
We expect revenue of between 605 and $615 million.
Representing 9% to 11% growth over 2021.
This range reflects the previously mentioned negative impact from foreign exchange of $7 5 million.
We anticipate an operating margin for the year of approximately 39% with a slight headwind from the <unk> integration, which will improve through the course of the year as I previously noted.
We are projecting adjusted free cash flow of between $185 and $190 million and.
And we expect earnings per share to be between $3 95 and $4 five.
Again this range reflects the previously mentioned negative impacts from foreign exchange of <unk> <unk> per share.
Our guidance for full year, EPS assumes a tax rate of 20% to 21%.
The repurchase of $50 million in progress shares.
And approximately $44 7 million shares outstanding.
Our share buyback activity in 2022 is meant to address dilution from our equity plans.
And while we believe that share buybacks and dividends can provide shareholders with a good return.
Our M&A track record over the past three years has delivered superior returns for our shareholders.
And for that reason disciplined accretive M&A is.
Is the top capital allocation priority of our total growth strategy.
In closing.
I'd like to reiterate that we are thrilled with our Q4 performance.
The acquisition and integration of camp.
And our outlook for 2022.
As Yogesh outlined we believe we are well positioned operationally and financially to continue executing our total growth strategy to create meaningful value for our shareholders.
With that Darryl.
Let's open the call for Q&A.
And if anyone has a question you can press Star then one on your Touchtone phone. Once again, if you have a question. It is star then one on your Touchtone phone.
Our first question comes from its.
Hi, Kid Ryan go ahead.
Thanks, a couple of questions for you <unk>, sorry, with your Yogesh.
Maybe if I'm a big picture standpoint, you talked about the demand environment is still being very strong.
Maybe you could talk about two things number one.
Omicron impacting demand I'm, just kind of out of curiosity.
So many people have been hit by this I guess, it's a question of whether are you seeing customers slow down the way. They move forward just because people are missing or not around.
And then second.
If you could talk about the revenue synergies and camp I would assume that a lot of the progress. There is cost driven first but maybe you could talk about the cross selling opportunities there how far down the road are you in exploiting those.
Thanks, so much and great to have you on the call.
Regarding the first.
Question about.
Omnicom right.
We actually right now are not seeing any meaningful change in the business trajectory Youre right.
Obviously lots of people are getting hit and when people are out of pocket that sometimes slows things down, but so far we continue to see good momentum in our business. There is nothing in our business that makes us believe that.
That.
On the gone is going to basically have a negative impact of a meaningful negative impact.
At this point.
So again.
Who knows which way this goes it high and how the world changes and whether it has a more cvs impact over the next several weeks or not but so far so good and I think we're really pleased.
With what we've seen so far.
In the first six weeks six weeks or so.
Switching over to the.
Camp integration and the opportunity to cross sell I mean.
As you know and as you yourself highlighted our approach to M&A.
M&A and the total growth strategy is an extremely disciplined approach where we.
Focus on expense synergies as the primary driver of shareholder value creation, and so that is where we are heavily focused on.
It is correct.
Right in pointing out that of course can products have.
Some intra.
Interesting synergies in terms of potentially selling together with things like Whatsapp Golden.
<unk> for example, and so on but thats much farther down the road and from our perspective, we want to make sure that we execute on the.
Integration that we make sure that the people come onboard that the customers continue to move forward that our retention rates don't suffer that the business continues to function well why do we put together.
The expense synergies that we need to put together in place as we integrate those businesses. So I would say right now we are not planning any meaningful.
Revenue synergies through cross sell between those products on ours got.
Got it very good and then a follow up for you Anthony.
Maybe it's me, but it feels like Youre certainly are piloting M&A is.
Potentially a more immediate way for you to continue to drive growth, which makes sense I guess my question is.
Market has contracted quite substantially especially in growth names in technology are you getting a sense from your discussions with potential targets that there is now.
A greater flexibility and openness and eagerness, perhaps is the right word to.
Do something just given how strong the correction has been is that already works its way into the mindsets of potential sellers.
Yes. It is.
Hard to say it's high.
I would say the pipeline continues to be very robust and we are actively managing opportunities just on a continual basis.
And so theres a lot of activity out there, but yes, I think for sure the correction in the public markets I think ultimately will triple to some of the private company valuations.
And frankly, we think that to the extent rates rise a little bit that may tilt, the competitive dynamic a little bit back towards us money.
Money has been so cheap for so long and it's allowed multiples to really.
To push a lot higher than they had been previously.
Sometimes to a place where we're not willing to go but I think.
We're feeling pretty pretty optimistic about how this may present for us in 'twenty two and beyond.
Very good good luck guys. Thank you.
And our next question comes from Ken Wong go ahead Ken.
Hey, Thanks for taking my question.
I wanted to touch on your remarks about the strong demand environment sustaining.
I guess, obviously, given what we've seen in the markets with with expectations for software companies do you feel it.
Broader software in general where demand is holding up or more infrastructure, where you guys are focused.
Any sense from your conversations with customers.
Whether or not it is a more of a progress dynamic.
Hey.
Thank you for that question I actually think that Thats.
Right I think not every software company at the same time so.
From our perspective, and our conversations they're primarily focused around infrastructure related discussions.
And what we're seeing is that the product offering that we now have which does cover the whole the broader deb off cycle of develop deploy and manage including really strong offering so application expedient phenomenal offering for Dev ops and desktops and amazing.
Products for building and delivering wonderful experiences and applications.
Digitally I think those all of those things are really resonating with our customers and we are seeing demand for that I think that.
It comes to packaged applications, we really arent a good.
Sort of indicators of whether those things are seeing equally good demand or softer demand. So I can't really speak to that but from our perspective.
We're seeing demand continue we're not seeing really other than as Anthony mentioned.
Some of the covert pent up demand.
Then that changing retrofit the demand environment seems to be an appears to be really strong. So we're confident about.
The way 22 is shaping up.
And.
I feel really good about our business.
Got it and and I think you mentioned chefs in the largest deal in history, if I heard correctly.
Would you would you associate that with it being part of progress and perhaps your Salesforce and your scale helped deliver those kind of higher deal sizes or is this more just a large customer came in and obviously.
Delivered a large large signing any any color in terms of maybe some of the drivers that got you to that level.
And Ken just to clarify the chef deal. It's a very large deal and it was a seven figure expansion, but it was not the largest deal in <unk> history. The largest deal in one of our products history with armed our Dev tools products, which is the theoretical <unk> products for building, great UI, but which was also another seven figure deal, but but the SaaS let me.
The Ohio order to the so the crux of your question about how this came about.
One of the things that is happening as we have continued to.
Improve the capabilities of chef Bolton Dev ops in depth Tech ops.
With a large financial institution the financial institution has been a user of chefs, we were able to deliver new capabilities that allowed them to come up with new use cases that they could use across the global enterprise.
And thereby.
It really really large seven figure deal with us.
For sure.
Could you have done this on this call.
I don't know I think one of the things that we have done is actually put more resources on the product side.
Chef then even chef head by itself.
We've been able to do that because we have shifted significant amount of those costs to India and so while the costs are significantly less the actual number of people on the product is significantly greater and we have been able to serve the enterprise customers' needs as well as the needs of the open source community really well by doing so.
I think I mentioned in the last quarter's call that when we had our shelf pumps and there was an amazingly positive reactions from across the board from our customers and the open source community. So I think it is that focused investment and that focused effort around solving enterprise customers' problems as well as staying focused on the open source community.
As well that combination has served us really well on shelf and.
I continue to be extremely excited about its future prospects as well.
Got it and then maybe last one if I could sneak just one for Anthony.
Revenue growth next year, 8% to 10%.
<unk> is not really an area that you guys guide on but any any way to think about whether or not there are headwinds tailwind that would move that number kind of higher or lower than that revenue range that you guys already put out.
Yeah, Hey, Ken.
You are correct, we're not we're not guiding on IRR yet at this point.
But.
We've.
We put out the pro forma IRR numbers each quarter for the past year. So.
On the slide deck that we put out with the.
The earnings release, there sort of any quarter trend in there now.
And I guess, what I would say is that the trend we've seen generally in <unk> has been some growth up into the right.
And it's been.
Generally.
Pretty tightly aligned to what we've seen on revenue.
I would say if anything revenue can be a little more erratic because we may land some multiyear deals with.
Some of our subscription products like chef or.
Data connect.
But absent that I would expect that to the move in relatively consistent trend lines.
Perfect really appreciate the help thanks, a lot guys.
Thanks, Ken.
Thanks.
And our next question comes from Pendulum Bora go ahead.
Oh, Great Hey, guys congrats on the quarter.
I had a question on future acquisitions I guess.
It seems like the valuation reset might help you, but as you look forward I mean is there any particular area of focus for this year I mean, obviously <unk> is one area. I guess you have been getting a lot of assets is that something that you might double down on or is that kind of the dev side.
What are a couple of areas that you're looking at.
So.
The reality is that.
Across our entire portfolio, we continue to look for opportunities to either consolidate or buy.
I'll find other assets that are complementary to what we have so you are right there.
Two out of three of our acquisitions, whether it was if switch about two and a half years ago or are just.
A couple of months ago, well, both in the observer ability space.
The shaft was obviously in the <unk>, often desktop space and and so I don't want to just say that we're looking at only one or two one or two spots. We really are looking at the entire lifecycle from a develop deploy and manage it so well.
Whether it is additional Dev ops Dev ops and related assets.
And companies that would help there whether it is application development front end development tools.
Backend infrastructure data movement data is one of the areas where by the way we don't talk about it too much but move it that came to progress through the <unk> acquisition.
Has bolstered our offering Dev boot, we used to have and still do the world's best.
Real time data access solution with data direct.
It is literally the b.
Gold standard in the market and then we acquired move it to Ipswich and that basically gave us the ability to securely move inflammation in bulk.
And therefore now we have both real time access to data through data direct and and the bulk of moving update on a periodic basis to move. It. So data is another area, which is the foundation of analytics, which is the foundation of really any work that business is trying to do today. So we see us continuing to work across all of these areas.
Infrastructure software space, whether it is the opposite of ability side, and then application experience delivery side, whether it is the Dev ops Dev ops piece, whether it is the data access and data integration piece or whether it is the actual application development and deployment of the platform itself.
And then a lot of assets as you said.
And so there is an opportunistic aspect to it as well pendulum whatever whatever shows up.
As long as it makes sense.
The key for us even more than the specific domain.
Really about the characteristics related to how strong the product is what is the customer base like what is recurring revenue.
The retention rate.
As you know.
In FY 'twenty, one we had a net retention rate of over 100% right we want to.
<unk> extremely high net retention rates and so so we look for really strong businesses to be honest, even more so than specific domains.
Understood. Thank you for that one for Anthony on that retention rate point and.
A little bit nitpicking, but but it's your retention rates did have an elevated level pretty.
Pretty good to see about 100, 100%, but sequentially when I look at it would downtick a little bit now you're layering in camp I guess, so is that is it.
A function of camp.
If we remove camp how has been the kind of the retention.
From Q to Q to Q4 for the core business. If you can talk about that as well as how has gross churn kind of held up.
Yes, yes sure. Thanks pendulum.
I think camp came over.
As Yogesh mentioned roughly added $40 million of IRR into the mix.
And when I look at.
Yes.
Where.
Where the.
The movement was you're right it was.
Not much of a movement quarter to quarter.
Kemp might have slightly lower.
Net dollar retention rates than the rest of our business.
And we knew this coming in we understood that.
From a growth perspective, they were probably in the.
In the low eighties, and net perspective, we're probably in the high eighties.
And I think that was very similar to what we saw with Ipswich when we acquired if switchback in 2019.
And we view that as an opportunity.
So yes, there might be.
Ever so slight tick down.
When you add camp into the mix, but we don't expect that.
Expect that it's going to be dilutive over the long run we think we're going to be able to drive.
The net retention rates for camp up.
To the same levels, where if switching a lot of our other products are.
And we're.
Like Youll guests at 100% is great.
Going to continue to try to make the right investments to maintain that.
Got it thank you very much.
And our next question comes from <unk> <unk> go ahead on your.
Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my question and congratulations.
Another great quarter, and a lot of good questions asked already.
Just curious.
Price increases have you done any price increases is the room for you to do that or is it all demand driven.
So on yes. Thank you.
We.
So as you are aware.
Many of our customers.
With many of our customers on their contracts, we have a little bit of a cost of living type of increase that type of structure built in.
But the CPI type of an increase but in general we have not had price increases and we have not done price increases across our portfolio.
Is there an opportunity to do so I think to us right now.
We see our ability to continue to drive growth is to offer better products and continue to do better serve our customers better and serve a broader need that they have and expand that way. We don't see pricing is a very important tool because among other things that's an infrequent to you.
New that sometime it makes it look good for a short time, but the question is can we provide sustained growth.
But we always look for opportunities if we can do that in a sustained way.
And to do that but in general we have not done price increases.
And right now we're not contemplating those.
Okay. Thank you and given you serve a lot of different end markets was there anything that stood out to you in terms of them.
And as the prices among your customers in a specific end market.
Not really I mean, I think we felt really good at the end markets across the board all of geography geographies globally did well.
Business was strong across all of our products.
We are seeing strength that is not limited to just one or two things and so.
That's what makes us confident about 2022 as well.
Nothing nothing specific to highlight let's say I think it is just strong execution on our part solid demand across the board.
It really really great execution by the progress team on multiple fronts.
So steady as she goes.
Okay well. Thank you that was all for me. Thank you.
Thank you Andrew.
Sure.
And our next question comes from Tyler Radke go ahead Tyler.
Hi, This is bill Yung Kim on for Tyler Radke. Thank you for taking our question.
Through organic growth and continue to come out on the higher end.
Managing the business. So I was wondering if you could comment on any presence for expectation of impact from a pull forward dynamic. It seems like you think the strength that you've seen over the past 12 months is really durable. So if you could give us any examples that has helped you internally discern whats pull forward.
First is what is sustainable what that would be really helpful. Thank you.
So let me talk with a little bit and then Anthony can can potentially add further as well.
So we did not have any look forward this year.
We actually feel really good about the quality of our business this year.
We did have though.
Some pent up demand from 2020, so it was really push later from 2020 into 2021.
That helped with the organic growth to some degree.
But then in addition to that we also saw general strong demand.
The strong demand, we're continuing to see and we expect to continue to see obviously the 2020 push forward of Covid related.
Pent up demand I think that is largely behind us so.
So we've been really pleased with the way our organization has been very disciplined but we do not do pull forward that we did not pull forwards.
This year.
And as I said, we did not have anything I think youre going to have that in my prepared remarks, if we did not have any any pull forward or any large deals being pulled from Q1 to Q4 or anything like that it has been a really strong steady disciplined execution.
Got it.
Great with that.
Sorry.
No I was just going to say the only thing I would add though is that.
Yogesh.
Dead on in terms of the.
2020, COVID-19 demand sort of.
Came into 'twenty, one earlier in the year.
When we talk about sort of.
Sustaining.
<unk> demand environment, we've seen some growth ahead in 2022.
It's quite growth.
And her progress even I think slight growth.
It was a pretty big statement.
Since I've been here I don't think the the outlook from an organic perspective has been strong in fact, no. It has not been this strong.
So for our business that may have been tilting more.
On the negative side from a growth perspective.
For the past couple of years to be out looking at something even slightly positive.
As an important move we think so we're optimistic about it.
Okay. Thank you and then I also wanted to double click on find earlier comment you made about improving net retention rate within the business.
Since you are focused more on the cost synergy side could you tell us more about where the expected improvement in net retention will be coming from.
So.
Again, let me let me start and then again Anthony can jump in from my from my perspective, I mean, if you look at the switch. So we acquired <unk> in May of 2019, so about two and a half years ago.
<unk> net retention rate was in the.
Upper eighties.
To date, well into the Ninety's and in fact mid Ninety's and the reason is very simply that we do our synergies, but we do them around.
Around the.
The aspects of the business that are more around new customer acquisition and of course operational efficiencies.
From the perspective of.
Leveraging our platform and being able to run it more more smoothly. So both that that's the reason why we were able to actually make more investments in whatsapp gold and move it on the R&D side I saw at R&D investments, usually greater it may not look like that from.
From a dollar perspective, but it is that way from a.
People perspective, and the number of head count on it.
So.
We do that and we also have a very strong customer relationship management organization that works closely with enterprises to have them stay with us to understand their needs and address those needs. So that they will stick with us longer. So it's a whole host of effort around both the way we do our go to market.
Which is different and the way, we do our product engineering.
And that allows us to.
To increase retention, while at the same time, reducing costs and then it's a fascinating.
But it is about paying attention to the details related to what drives customer retention, which is also not the same same thing that drives revenue growth. So that's.
That's what that's what we're focused on.
We continue to focus on.
Retaining customers more than anything else.
Feel confident.
We have done this with.
Ipswich, we have sustained with chef chef game with already high.
Pension right. So we didn't have to try to push it any higher they were phenomenal.
But we believe that we will be able to do the same with count.
It comes from having that experience with a very similar profile of products with a similar go to market that we have with Ipswich as we did with campus.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thanks.
And we have no more questions at this time and I'll turn it back to Yogesh for closing comments.
Hey, Thanks Daryl.
Thank you everyone for joining us today, and we couldnt be happier with our performance in FY 'twenty, one and we're excited to carry the momentum forward in FY 'twenty two I look forward to talking to you. All soon thank you again and goodbye.
And thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating you may now disconnect.
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