Q4 2021 Moody's Corp Earnings Call
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Speaker 1: Please stand by. We're about to begin.
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Good day, everyone and welcome to the Moody's Corporation fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings conference call.
Speaker 1: Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Moody's Corporation fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen only mode. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for question and answers following the presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to Shobani Koch, head of investor relations. Please go ahead.
At this time I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen only mode. At the request of the company. We will open the conference up for question and answers. Following the presentation I would now like to turn the call over to Giovanni Cox head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss Moodys fourth quarter 2021 results and our guidance in just about any coke head of Investor Relations.
Speaker 2: Good morning and thank you for joining us to discuss Moody's fourth quarter 2021 results and our guidance. I'm Siobhanie Park, head of...
Speaker 2: This morning, Moody's released its results for the fourth quarter of 2021 and our outlooks for full year 2022 and the medium term. The earnings press release and the presentation to accompany this teleconference are both available on our website at ir.moody.org.
Morning, Moody's released its results for the fourth quarter of 2021 and our outlook for full year 2022 in the medium term.
Earnings press release, and the presentation to accompany this teleconference are both available on our website at IR don't Moodys Dot com.
Speaker 2: Rob Sauber, Moody's President and Chief Executive Officer, will lead this morning's conference call. Also making prepared remarks on the call this morning is Mark Kaye, Moody's Chief Financial Officer.
Rob Saba, Moody's President and Chief Executive Officer will lead this morning's conference call also making prepared remarks on the call. This morning is Mark Kaye.
Ladies Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker 2: During this call, we will be presenting non-GAAP or adjusted figures. Please refer to the tables at the end of our earnings press release filed this morning for reconciliation between all adjusted measures referenced during this call and US GAAP.
During the school, we will be presenting non-GAAP or adjusted figures. Please refer to the tables at the end of our earnings press release filed this morning for reconciliation between all adjusted measures referenced during this call and U S. GAAP.
I call your attention to the Safe Harbor language, which can be found towards the end of our earnings release. Today's remarks may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 in accordance with the Act I also direct your attention to the management's discussion and analysis section and the.
Speaker 2: I call your attention to the Safe Harbor language, which can be found towards the end of our earnings release.
Speaker 2: Today's remarks may contain forward-looking statements within the meanings of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. In accordance with the Act, I also direct your attention to the Managements, Discussion and Analysis section and the risk factors discussed in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020 and in other SEC filings made by the company, which are available on our website and on the SEC's website.
The risk factors discussed in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st 2020, and in other SEC filings made by the company, which are available on our website and on the SEC's website. They.
Speaker 2: These together with the safe harbor statement set forth important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such forward-looking
These together with the Safe Harbor statement set forth important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such forward looking statements.
Speaker 2: I would also like to point out that members of the media may be on the call this morning in a listen-only mode. I will now turn the call to the next speaker.
I would also like to point out that members of the media may be on the call. This morning in a listen only mode.
I will now turn the call over to Rob Saba.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Shivani, and good morning, everybody, and thanks for joining today's call. I'm going to begin by summarizing Moody's full year 2021 financial results, and then I'll provide an overview of our business and strategic direction. And following my commentary, Mark Kay will provide some further details in our fourth quarter 2021 results and share our outlook for 2022 and also our new medium-term financial targets. And after our prepared remarks, as always, we'll be happy to take your questions.
Thanks, Giovanni and good morning, everybody and thanks for joining today's call I'm going to begin by summarizing Moody's full year 2021 financial results.
And then I'll provide an overview of our business and strategic direction and following my commentary Mark Kaye will provide some further details on our fourth quarter 2021 results and share our outlook for 2022 and also our new medium term financial targets.
After our prepared remarks as always we'll be happy to take your questions.
Our employees' resilience and commitment and hard work produced some exceptional results in 2021.
Speaker 3: Our employees' resilience and commitment and hard work produced some exceptional results in 2021. And I'm proud to share that for the first time, we surpassed $6 billion in revenue, with record revenues from both MIS and MA. And just a diluted EPS grew at 21% in 2021.
Proud to share that for the first time, we surpassed $6 billion in revenue with record revenues from both Mis and Ma.
And adjusted diluted EPS grew at 21% in 2021.
Over the past several years, we've invested to build our businesses serving high growth risk assessment markets and in 2021 in particular to seize the really attractive growth opportunity in front of US we've made some substantial investments, particularly in the fourth quarter across the firm, we're introducing a range of new products and solutions.
Speaker 3: Over the past several years, we've invested to build our businesses serving high-growth risk assessment market.
Speaker 3: And in 2021, in particular, to see the really attractive growth opportunity in front of us, we made some substantial investments, particularly in the fourth quarter. Across the firm, we're introducing a range of new products and solutions to help customers identify, manage, and measure risk and unlock opportunity. And the pace is accelerating.
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Pace is accelerating.
Speaker 3: We're balancing these investments with capital returns and seek to return approximately $2 billion to our stockholders this year in the form of dividends and share repurchases.
We're balancing these investments with capital returns and seek to return approximately $2 billion to our stockholders. This year in the form of dividends and share repurchases.
For 2022, we project Moody's revenue to increase in the high single digit percent range. That's driven by continued strong growth from M&A and robust global debt issuance levels for M. I S.
Speaker 3: For 2022, we project Moody's revenue to increase in the high single digit percent range. That's driven by continued strong growth from MA and robust global debt issuance levels for MIS.
Speaker 3: And I'm also pleased to announce that in response to investor feedback, we're introducing new medium-term guidance, including Moody's Corporation's revenue to grow by at least 10% on an average annualized basis and adjusted operating margin to be in the low 50% range.
And I'm also pleased to announce that in response to investor feedback, we're introducing new medium term guidance, including Moody's corporations revenue to grow by at least 10% on an average annualized basis and adjusted operating margin to be in the low 50% range.
Recent acquisitions combined with organic investments.
Speaker 3: recent acquisitions combined with organic investments put us in an excellent position to deliver on our integrated risk assessment strategy and achieve these targets.
It is in an excellent position to deliver on our integrated risk assessment strategy and achieve these targets.
Finally, I want to remind you that Moody's will be hosting our next investor day on March 10th.
Speaker 3: Finally, I want to remind you that Moody's will be hosting our next investor day on March 10th later this year in New York City. And during the event, we're going to be showcasing key aspects of our business. And I look forward to meeting many of you in person. It's been a while. And for those who are unable to attend, there will also be a virtual option.
Later this year in New York City.
And during the event, we're gonna be showcasing key aspects of our business and I look forward to meeting many of you in person it's been a while and for those who are unable to attend there'll also be a virtual option.
Now turning to full year results.
Speaker 3: Now, turning to full year results, both MIS and MA revenue grew by 16%. MIS rated over $6 trillion of issuance and generated over 1,100 new mandates, and that's equivalent to almost five new mandates every working day of the year.
Both mis and MA revenue grew by 16%.
Rated over six trillion dollars of issuance and generated over 1100, new mandates and thats equivalent to almost five new mandates.
Every working day of the year.
And this combined with MH 56th consecutive quarter of revenue growth helped us achieve our second successive year of 20 plus percent adjusted EPS growth.
Speaker 3: And this combined with MA's 56th consecutive quarter of revenue growth helped us achieve our second successive year of 20 plus percent adjusted EPS growth.
Speaker 3: 2021 was really a year where we accelerated our strategy to be the world's leading integrated risk assessment business. That included in relief-
2021 was really a year, where we accelerated our strategy to be the world's leading integrated risk assessment business that included investing for growth purposeful innovation and delivering for our stakeholders. During the year, we made a series of acquisitions to enhance our capabilities and further build out our offerings the largest of the.
Speaker 3: purposeful innovation and delivering for our stakeholders.
Speaker 3: During the year, we made a series of acquisitions to enhance our capabilities and further build out our offerings. The largest of these acquisitions, RMS, gives us a world-class insurance data and analytics franchise, as well as some sophisticated weather and disaster modeling capabilities. And this allows us to serve a wide spectrum of customers, helping them to better understand the physical risks posed by climate change. And that's an important part of our broader ESG offering.
Acquisitions, RMS gives us a world class insurance data and analytics franchise as well as some sophisticated weather and disaster modeling capabilities and this allows us to serve a wide spectrum of customers, helping them to better understand the physical risks posed by climate change and Thats, an important part of our.
Broader ESG offerings.
We also made investments to build out our ratings presence in important international markets and then 2021, we began offering local credit ratings in Brazil.
Speaker 3: We also made investments to build out our ratings presence in important international markets. And in 2021, we began offering local credit ratings in Brazil as part of the continued expansion of our Moody's local business across Latin America. And just last week, we announced our intent to acquire majority stake in GCR ratings, the leading credit rating agency in Africa, giving us an unmatched presence across the continent and really positioning us for the future.
Part of the continued expansion of our Moody's local business across Latin America.
Just last week, we announced our intent to acquire a majority stake in GCI ratings, the leading credit rating agency in Africa, giving us an unmatched presence across the continent, and really positioning us for the future.
Speaker 3: In 2021, we expanded our suite of award-winning offerings with more than 15 meaningful product launches.
In 2021, we expanded our suite of award winning offerings with more than 15 meaningful product launches.
This includes portfolio studio, our new cloud native software as a service credit portfolio management tool that provides that.
Speaker 3: This includes Portfolio Studio, our new cloud-native software-as-a-service credit portfolio management tool. It provides a single and powerful view of risk. As part of our broader ecosystem of risk finance and lending solutions, it enables our customers to identify and measure and manage portfolio risks and returns by combining best-in-class Moody's models, scenarios, and other content with business applications for financial institutions.
Single and powerful view of risk as part of our broader ecosystem of risk finance and lending solutions enables our customers to identify and measure and manage portfolio risks and returns by combining best in class Moody's models scenarios and other content with business applications for financial institutions.
Speaker 3: We also launched the next generation of supply chain catalyst, providing our customers with an enterprise view of their critical supply relationship.
We also launched the next generation of supply chain catalysts, providing our customers with an enterprise view of their critical supply relationships.
Speaker 3: A supply chain catalyst combines our Orbis database with customers' internal data to deliver an integrated view of risk across multiple tiers of their supply chain and taking into account factors like financial health and sustainability and reputational risk among others.
Our supply chain catalyst combines our orbis database with customers' internal data to deliver an integrated view of risk across multiple tiers of their supply chain and taking into account factors like financial health and sustainability and reputational risk among others.
And finally, we continue to focus on serving our people our customers and our communities are D. Eni initiatives have received some great external recognition, helping to distinguish moody's as an employer of choice.
Speaker 3: And finally, we continue to focus on serving our people, our customers, and our communities. Our DE&I initiatives have received some great external recognition, helping to distinguish Moody's as an employer of choice. And that has never been more important than right now.
That has never been more important than right now in.
Speaker 3: In addition to the accolades that you see on this slide, we were just notified of our inclusion in the Bloomberg Gender Equality Index for the second year in a row. And for the 11th year running, we're very proud to have received a perfect score from the Corporate Equality Index.
In addition to the accolades that you see on this slide we were just notified of our inclusion in the Bloomberg gender equality index for the second year in a row.
And for the 11th year running we're very proud to have received a perfect score from the corporate equality index.
Speaker 3: On top of these awards, we've achieved recognition from customers for our products and services. And among many other awards, we were named best credit rating agency by institutional investor for the 10th straight year, and we're ranked number two overall in the Chartist RiskTech 100.
On top of these awards, we've achieved recognition from customers for our products and services and among many other awards. We were named the best credit rating agency by institutional Investor for the 10th straight year and we are ranked number two overall and the chartis risk risk Tech 100.
Now switching to our segment results beginning with M. I S favorable market conditions contributed to our strongest year yet in terms of both revenue and rated issuance.
Speaker 3: Switching to our segment results, beginning with MIS. Favorable market conditions contributed to our strongest year yet in terms of both revenue and rated issuance.
Speaker 3: Investment grade supply moderated off what was really a record 2020, but volumes were still substantial. Meanwhile, the leveraged loan market rebounded sharply and was bolstered by low default rates and an uptick in private equity buyout activity.
Investment grade supply moderated off what was really a record 2020, but volumes were still substantial.
And while the leveraged loan market rebounded sharply was bolstered by low default rates and an uptick in private equity buyout activity.
Speaker 3: as well as increased investor appetite for floating rate debt amid higher inflation.
As well as increased investor appetite for floating rate debt amid higher inflation.
Strong leverage loan volumes also support of some very strong CLO growth and more broadly structured finance issuance rebounded that was due to ongoing favorable market conditions, including tight spreads and that drove both new CLO as well as refinancing activity and see MBS in our MBS issuance in particular.
Speaker 3: Strong leverage loan volumes also supported some very strong CLO growth and more broadly structured finance issuance rebounded. That was due to ongoing favorable market conditions, including tight spreads, and that drove both new CLO as well as refinancing activity and CMBS and RMBS issuance in particular.
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As we consider the issuance drivers and factors for the year ahead broadly speaking the economy has demonstrated resilience to the impact of Omicron GDP is growing companies are performing well and job creation continues.
Speaker 3: As we consider the issuance drivers and factors for the year ahead, broadly speaking, the economy has demonstrated resilience to the impact of Omicron. GDP is growing, companies are performing well, and job creation continues, all of which underpin business, investor, and consumer confidence.
All of which underpin business investor and consumer confidence.
Speaker 3: But there are headwinds. Inflation remains elevated amid supply chain constraints and tight labor markets, although we expect price pressures to abate over the course of the year. But still, uncertainty around the future path of interest rates may invite some occasional bouts of market volatility, and we've certainly seen that in the start of the year.
But there are headwinds inflation remains elevated amid supply chain constraints in tight labor markets, Although we expect price pressures to abate over the course of the year.
But still uncertainty around the future path of interest rates may invite some occasional bouts of market volatility and we've certainly seen that in the start of the year.
Historically, a rising interest rate environment when associated with robust economic activity has been a positive for us.
Speaker 3: Historically, a rising interest rate environment when associated with robust economic activity has been a positive for MIS. I think it's worth noting that even with the potential for interest rate increases this year, overall financing rates will remain at very modest levels from a historical perspective.
And I think it's worth noting that even with the potential for interest rate increases. This year overall financing rates will remain at very modest levels from a historical perspective.
Speaker 3: We forecast that tight spreads, M&A transactions, ongoing refinancing needs, and disintermediation will support global debt activity above medium-term historical levels, but with issuance slightly moderating versus record levels in 2021. And Mark's going to provide some details on MIS 2022 issuance expectations later in the call. Now, Mark is going to talk about some things he is working on and other ideas to do that. He Heads Up Formerakes of the project Integrated consolidates pacifiers the funds to build scarlet practises and education in 2011 T attorneys workOC Wil pupil Mr. eleven
We forecast at tight spreads M&A transactions ongoing refinancing needs and disintermediation will support global debt activity.
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Now moving to Moody's analytics.
Speaker 3: In 2021, MA's revenue grew by 16 percent. We also meaningfully increased the mix of recurring revenue, which now represents 93 percent of MA's total revenue.
In 2021, <unk> revenue grew by 16%. We also meaningfully increase the mix of recurring revenue, which now represents 93% of MH total revenue.
Speaker 3: In underpinning this performance, we're 9% organic revenue growth supported by a 95% retention rate.
Underpinning this performance with 9% organic revenue growth supported by a 95% retention rate over 2000, new customer accounts added through a combination of global sales execution and acquisitions and targeted investments in high priority markets and this momentum gives us the confidence.
Speaker 3: Over 2,000 new customer accounts added through a combination of global sales, execution, and acquisitions, and targeted investments in high-priority markets. And this moment,
Speaker 3: to capitalize on the strong demand and market opportunities across MA by continuing to invest both organically and inorganic.
To capitalize on the strong demand in market opportunities across EMEA by continuing to invest both organically and inorganically.
Speaker 3: And we're doing just that. In 2021, with a purposeful acceleration in the fourth quarter, we invested to enhance and fast track the launch of several product offers.
And we're doing just that in 2021 with a purposeful acceleration in the fourth quarter, we invested to enhance and fast track. The launch of several product offerings for instance, in the fourth quarter, we acquired passport and invested to accelerate our integration with the goal of significantly advancing the development of our customer screening and onboarding capabilities.
Speaker 3: For instance, in the fourth quarter, we acquired Passport and invested to accelerate our integration with the goal of significantly advancing the development of our customer screening and onboarding capabilities.
Speaker 3: By digitizing and automating the KYC and AML process for our customers, we're providing a streamlined workflow along with data from our Orbis and Grid database.
By digitizing and automating the Ky CNA AML process for our customers, we're providing a streamlined workflow along with data from our orbis and grid databases.
Speaker 3: And we're building an efficient and effective interconnected suite of tools that deliver a stronger value proposition for customers in what is still a relatively fragmented market.
And we're building an efficient and effective interconnected suite of tools that deliver a stronger value proposition for customers and what is still a relatively fragmented market. We also continue to build product capabilities and commercial real estate I've previously talked about a product launched in the third quarter credit lines for <unk>.
Speaker 3: We also continue to build product capabilities in commercial real estate. I've previously talked about a product launch in the third quarter, Credit Lens for Commercial Real Estate. And that's our SaaS workflow platform built on the latest cloud technology and tailored to the specific needs of commercial real estate lenders. In the fourth quarter, we accelerated the roadmap for enhancements to the platform, including the overall user experience.
Commercial real estate and Thats, our SaaS workflow platform built on our latest cloud technology and tailored to the specific needs of commercial real estate lenders in the fourth quarter, we accelerated the roadmap for enhancements to the platform, including the overall user experience. We also expedited the launch of our portfolio monitoring solution for <unk>.
Speaker 3: We also expedited the launch of our portfolio monitoring solution for commercial real estate investors, integrating and building on the acquisition of RealEx data in September . This solution, Commercial Real Estate Portfolio Manager, was recently made available to customers in North America.
<unk> real estate investors integrating and building on the acquisition of relax data in September and this solution commercial real estate portfolio manager was recently made available to customers in North America.
And last we invested in the ongoing SaaS conversion of our banking software products, which supports growth among our existing customers and will help deepen our penetration of the mid sized financial institutions sector. We expect that this conversion will raise our recurring revenue growth rate to low double digits in 2022 and low teens.
Speaker 3: And last, we invested in the ongoing SaaS conversion of our banking software products, which supports growth among our existing customers and will help deepen our penetration of the midsize financial institution sector. We expect that this conversion will raise our recurring revenue growth rate to low double digits in 2022 and low teens in 2023.
In 2023.
Speaker 3: With 24% overall sales growth, including 20% increase in our organic recurring sales, we demonstrated significant traction with customers in these three segments.
With 24% overall sales growth, including 20% increase in our organic recurring sales, we demonstrated significant traction with customers in these three segments.
Speaker 3: This strong sales growth, along with our financial capacity, gave us the confidence to invest opportunistically in the fourth quarter in these areas.
This strong sales growth along with our financial capacity gave us the confidence to invest opportunistically in the fourth quarter in these areas.
Speaker 3: For the broader MA business, we're also making some foundational investments, which will support both revenue growth and operating efficiency. In the fourth quarter, we made investments in integrating RMS, which we'll touch on shortly, as well as fine-tuning our sales capabilities to deepen customer penetration, expand cross-selling, and refine our go-to-market approach.
For the broader MA business, we're also making some foundational investments, which will support both revenue growth and operating efficiency in the fourth quarter, we made investments in integrating RMS, which will touch on shortly as well as fine tuning our sales capabilities to deepen customer penetration.
And cross selling and refine our go to market approach.
Speaker 3: Now, as you can see on this slide, our organic recurring revenue growth rate has steadily improved, and we anticipate it's going to continue to do so and contribute towards our goal of achieving total revenue growth in the low to mid teens percent range within five years. And this focus on organic recurring revenue expansion is at the core of our business strategy for MA.
As you can see on this slide our organic recurring revenue growth rate has steadily improved and we anticipate it's going to continue to do so and contribute towards our goal of achieving total revenue growth in the low to mid teens percent range within five years and this focus on organic recurring revenue expansion.
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Speaker 3: There are also some other drivers that underpin this medium-term outlook.
There are also some.
Other drivers that underpin this medium term outlook.
Speaker 3: We're redoubling our focus on customer satisfaction to support our strong retention rates and help us support recurring revenue growth.
We're redoubling, our focus on customer satisfaction to support our strong retention rates and help us support recurring revenue growth.
Speaker 3: Our product enhancements enable us to increase revenue per customer from cross-selling upgrades and pricing opportunities.
Our product enhancements.
It enabled us to increase revenue per customer from cross selling upgrades and pricing opportunities.
Speaker 3: The continued transition to SAS and our enterprise risk solution segment provides the opportunity for revenue uplift from existing customers, as well as the opportunity to add new customers. And we're also prioritizing the development of products and solutions for existing and new customers to further tailor our solutions to their unique needs.
The continued transition to SaaS and our enterprise risk solution segment provides the opportunity for revenue uplift from existing customers as well as the opportunity to add new customers.
And we're also prioritizing the development of products and solutions for existing and new customers to further tailor our solutions to their unique needs.
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Speaker 3: Last year on our fourth quarter earnings call, we talked about the use cases that we're serving across what was at the time a $35 billion addressable market opportunity. Now we've since expanded that to $40 billion by adding RMS.
Use cases that we're serving across was what was at the time of $35 billion addressable market opportunity now we've since expanded that to $40 billion by adding RMS and given the demand to SaaS.
Speaker 3: And given the demand to assess a wider range of risks, many of these markets are growing quickly, which as you can see on the right, translated into four areas in MA where we generated over 100 million in organic recurring revenue with double digit growth rate.
A wider range of risks many of these markets are growing quickly, which as you can see on the right translated into four areas in EMEA, where we generated over $100 million organic recurring revenue with double digit growth rates.
Speaker 3: And this leads me to our acquisition of RMS. And though it's early in the integration process, in meeting with a number of C-suite executives at insurance and reinsurance companies, I gotta tell you, I'm excited about the opportunity to serve the insurance industry with a broader array of risk assessment offerings, as well as leveraging RMS's world-class data and models and expertise to meet our customers' growing needs around disaster and climate risk.
And this leads me to our acquisition of RMS and though it's early in the integration process.
And meeting with a number of C suite executives that insurance and reinsurance companies I got to tell you I'm excited about the opportunity to serve the insurance industry with a broader array of risk assessment offerings as well as leveraging RMS is world class data and models and expertise to meet our customers' growing needs around disaster and climate risk.
We have aligned and cross trained our sales teams and the SaaS migration is ongoing at RMS. Most importantly, the feedback from RMS and Moody's insurance customers has been overwhelmingly positive.
Speaker 3: We have aligned and cross-trained our sales teams and the SaaS migration is ongoing at RMS. Most importantly, the feedback from RMS and Moody's insurance customers has been overwhelmingly positive.
Speaker 3: They're excited about us jointly providing more comprehensive offerings for both the asset and the liability side to the balance sheet. And we're identifying opportunities for new products that evaluate weather and climate risks to take to the broader Moody's customer base, particularly in commercial real estate, CMBS and banking.
Theyre excited about us jointly providing more comprehensive offerings for both the asset and liability sides of the balance sheet and we're identifying opportunities for new products that evaluate weather and climate risks to take to the broader Moody's customer base, particularly in commercial real estate CBS and banking.
To bring this to life I want to highlight a recent example of a large P&C insurer, which has been a customer of both RMS and to a lesser extent MA for years.
Speaker 3: To bring this to life, I want to highlight a recent example of a large P&C insurer, which has been a customer of both RMS and, to a lesser extent, MA for years.
I met with them recently to talk about how we can be even more of a strategic partner for them and we discussed how they wanted to integrate ESG considerations into our range of processes that included <unk>.
Speaker 3: I met with them recently to talk about how we can be even more of a strategic partner for them. And we discussed how they wanted to integrate ESG considerations into a range of processes that included underwriting, investment, regulatory compliance, scenario analysis, portfolio management.
Underwriting investment regulatory compliance scenario analysis portfolio management, and ultimately the breadth of our offerings and our ability to integrate them in ways that provide a more consistent view of ESG risk across the enterprise and especially for climate change really differentiate our offerings and this cross sell was enabled by the.
Speaker 3: And ultimately, the breadth of our offerings and our ability to integrate them in ways that provide a more consistent view of ESG risk across the enterprise, and especially for climate change, really differentiated our offering.
Speaker 3: And this cross-sell was enabled by the very deep RMS relationship and combined with the broader Moody's ESG capabilities. And I think it's a great example of the kinds of conversations that we're having with many RMS and Moody's insurance customers about how we can enable a consistent view of risk to support profitable growth, lower insured losses, and reduce volatility.
Very deep RMS relationship and combined with the broader Moody's ESG capabilities and I think it's a great example of the kinds of conversations that we're having with many RMS and Moody's insurance customers about how we can enable a consistent view of risk to support profitable growth lower insured losses.
And reduce volatility.
Speaker 3: I'm now going to turn the call over to Mark to provide further details in Moody's 4th quarter results, as well as our full year 2022 and medium term outlook.
Now going to turn the call over to Mark to provide further details on Moodys fourth quarter results as well as our full year 2022 and medium term outlooks.
Thank you Rob.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Rob. In the fourth quarter, MIS revenue grew 19%, supported by 28% increase in transaction revenue. Its rated issuance rose 23%.
In the fourth quarter <unk> revenue grew 19% supported by 28% increase in transaction revenue is rated issuance rose 23%.
Speaker 3: Corporate finance was the largest contributor to revenue, growing 20%, supported by a 21% increase in issuance. This is driven by demand for leveraged loans if issuers opportunistically refinance debt and funded M&A.
Corporate finance with the largest contributor to revenue growing 20% supported by 21% increase in issuance.
This is driven by demand for leveraged loans as issuers opportunistically refinance debt and funded M&A high.
Speaker 4: Heightened investment-grade activity also contributed to growth, while high-yield bonds declined due to a pivot to floating-rate debt.
<unk> tightened investment grade activity also contributed to growth while high yield bonds declined due to a pivot to floating rate debt.
Speaker 4: Structured finance revenue registered its strongest quarter in a decade as revenue and issuance grew 66% and 148% respectively. Investors search for yield and favorable market conditions, including historically tight spreads, drove activity across all major structured finance asset classes.
Structured finance revenue registered its strongest quarter in a decade as revenue and issuance grew 66% and 148% respectively.
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Productivity across all major structured finance asset classes.
Financial institutions revenue increased 6% as issuance grew 22%, while frequent U S and European Bank issuers took advantage of the attractive rate and spread environment.
Speaker 4: Financial institutions revenue increased 6% as issuance grew 22%, while frequent US and European bank issuers took advantage of the attractive rate and spread environment.
Speaker 4: Public project and infrastructure finance revenue declined 2% despite a 24% decrease in issuance. Non-U.S. infrastructure finance activity was offset by lower U.S. public finance and a mere sub-sovereign issuance, as financing needs were largely addressed in prior quarters.
Public project and infrastructure finance revenue declined 2%, despite a 24% decrease in issuance non U S infrastructure finance activity was offset by lower U S public finance and EMEA sub sovereign issuance its financing needs will largely largely addressed in prior quarters.
Speaker 4: The MIS-adjusted operating margin expanded over 500 basis points to 53.6%. Robust business performance resulted in higher incentive compensation, which impacted the margin by approximately 200 basis points in the fourth quarter.
The mis adjusted operating margin expanded over 500 basis points to 53, 6% robust business performance resulted in higher incentive compensation, which impacted the margin by approximately 200 basis points in the fourth quarter.
Moving to EMEA.
Speaker 4: Fourth quarter revenue grew 20% or 7% on an organic constant currency basis.
Fourth quarter revenue grew 20% or 7% on an organic constant currency basis.
Speaker 4: Our DNA revenue increased 12% as we benefited from high demand for KYC and compliance solutions, as well as credit research and data feeds.
Our DNA revenue increased 12% as we benefited from high demand for <unk> and compliance solutions as well as credit research and data feeds.
Revenue was further supported by record retention rates of 96% level with the prior year period.
Speaker 4: Revenue is further supported by record retention rates of 96%, level with a prior year period.
Speaker 4: ERS revenue is up 42% fueled by the acquisition of RMS, with recurring revenue comprising 89% of total revenue, up from 81%.
<unk> revenue was up 42% fueled by the acquisition of RMS with recurring revenue comprising 89% of total revenue.
From 81%.
Speaker 4: For full year 2021, ERS organic constant currency recurring revenue grew by 9% as we executed on our strategic shift away from one-time sales.
For full year 2021, Urs organic constant currency recurring revenue grew by 9% as we executed on our strategic shift away from onetime sales.
<unk> adjusted operating margin of 14, 9% reflected the impact of recent acquisitions higher incentive compensation and the intentional pull forward an acceleration of select organic product investments into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: MA's adjusted operating margin of 14.9% reflected the impact of recent acquisitions, higher incentive compensation, and the intentional pull forward and acceleration of select organic product investments into the fourth quarter.
Excluding these three items <unk> adjusted operating margin expanded by over 100 basis points.
Speaker 4: Excluding these three items, AMA's Adjusted Operating Margin expanded by over 100 basis points.
The increased investment in high growth markets and product development directly supports our expectation for organic recurring revenue growth in the low double digit percent range in 2022.
Speaker 4: The increased investment in high growth markets and product development directly supports our expectation for organic recurring revenue growth in the low double digit percent range in 2022.
Speaker 4: This slide provides further insight into our operating expenses for both full year 2021 and our outlook for 2022 as we balance cost efficiencies with investments to accelerate future growth.
This slide provides further insight into our operating expenses for both full year 2021, and our outlook for 2022, as we balanced cost efficiencies with investments to accelerate future growth.
For full year 2021 operating expenses Rose rose, 13% of this seven percentage points were attributable to operational and transaction related costs associated with acquisitions during the year.
Speaker 4: For full year 2021, operating expenses rose 13%. Of this, seven percentage points were attributable to operational and transaction related costs associated with acquisitions during the year.
Speaker 4: Organic strategic investments related to product innovation and technology initiatives contributed another five percentage points. In addition, we invest in the
Organic strategic investments related to product innovation and technology initiatives contributed another five percentage points.
In addition, we invested in our employees.
Operating growth, which is primarily comprised of hiring annual wage increases and either retention or <unk> spending as well as higher incentive compensation accruals contributed to an aggregate six percentage points increase.
Speaker 4: Operating growth, which is primarily comprised of hiring, annual wage increases and other retention-oriented spending, as well as higher incentive compensation accruals, contributed to an aggregate 6 percentage point increase.
Speaker 4: This cost was directly offset through a combination of ongoing cost-efficiency programs and lower severance and restructuring-related charges.
This cost was directly offset through a combination of ongoing cost efficiency programs and lowest severance and restructuring related charges.
For full year 2022, we forecast expenses to increase in the low double digit percent range, mostly attributable to acquisitions completed within the last 12 months.
Speaker 4: For full year 2022, we forecast expenses to increase in the low double-digit percent range, mostly attributable to acquisitions completed within the last 12 months.
Speaker 4: We expect that incremental spending on organic strategic investments and operating growth, primarily related to merit and promotional increases, as well as talent acquisition and retention, will be balanced through savings from lower incentive compensation accruals and ongoing expense discipline and efficiency initiatives.
We expected incremental spending on organic strategic investments and operating growth primarily related to merit and promotional increases as well as talent acquisition and retention will be balanced through savings from lower incentive compensation accruals and ongoing expense discipline and efficiency initiatives.
2021 provided a unique opportunity to accelerate our investments in high growth markets, including <unk> CRE banking ESG emerging markets as well as technology enablement, we ultimately invested approximately $150 million to enhance our capabilities and capture new opportunities.
Speaker 4: 2021 provided a unique opportunity to accelerate our investments in high-growth markets, including KYC, CRE, banking, ESG, emerging markets, as well as technology enablement. We ultimately invested approximately $150 million to enhance our capabilities and capture new opportunities for revenue expansion across the business.
<unk> for revenue expansion across the business.
Speaker 4: We expect to sustain this level of investment in 2022 as we execute on our long-term integrated risk assessment strategy.
We expect to sustain this level of investment in 2022, as we execute on our long term integrated risk assessment strategy.
Speaker 4: Finally, we also plan to invest over $50 million in 2022 on our most important asset.
Finally, we also plan to invest over $50 million in 2022 on our most important asset our people.
Speaker 4: Our employees connect deeply to our mission to provide trusted insights and standards that help decision makers act with confidence, and we want to attract and retain the best talent in order to achieve our growth ambitions. Turning now to our corporate.
All employees connect deeply top mission to provide trusted insights and standards that help decision makers act with confidence and we want to attract and retain the best talent in order to achieve our growth ambitions.
Turning now to our corporate guidance for 2022.
Moody's outlook for the year is based on assumptions regarding many geopolitical conditions macroeconomic and capital market factors. These include but are not limited to the effects of interest rates inflation foreign currency exchange rates capital markets liquidity and activity in different sectors of the debt market.
Speaker 4: Moody's outlook for the year is based on assumptions regarding many geopolitical conditions, macroeconomics, and capital market factors.
Speaker 4: These include, but are not limited to, the effects of interest rates, inflation, foreign currency exchange rates, capital markets, liquidity, and activity in different sectors of the debt market, as well as the impact of COVID-19 pandemic and subsequent responses by governments, regulators, businesses, and individuals.
As well as the impact of COVID-19, pandemic and subsequent responses by governments regulators businesses and individuals.
Speaker 4: The outlook also reflects assumptions regarding general economic conditions, the company's own operations and personnel, as well as additional items detailed in the earnings release.
The outlook also reflects assumptions regarding general economic conditions, the company's own operations and personnel as well as additional items detailed in the earnings release.
Speaker 4: A full year 2022 guidance incorporates the following specific macro assumptions.
Our full year 2022 guidance incorporates the following specific macro assumptions.
2022, U S and Euro area GDP will each expanded by approximately three five to four 5% and global benchmark interest rates gradually rise with the U S high yield spreads moving slightly above the historical average of approximately 500 basis points.
By year end the U S unemployment rate will decline to about three 5% and the global high yield default rate will gradually decrease gradually rising to approximately two 4%.
Speaker 4: By year-end, the U.S. unemployment rate will decline to about 3.5 percent and the global high-yield default rate will gradually decrease, before gradually rising to approximately 2.4 percent.
Speaker 4: Global inflation is projected to decline over the course of 2022, yet remain above central bank targets in several countries.
Global inflation is projected to decline over the course of 2022, yet remain above central bank targets in several countries.
Speaker 4: Our guidance also assumes foreign currency translation. Specifically, our forecast for 2022 reflects U.S. exchange rates for the British pound of $1.35 and $1.14 for the euro. These assumptions are subject to uncertainty and results for the year could differ materially from our current outlook.
Guidance also assumes foreign currency translation, specifically our forecast for 2022 reflects U S exchange rates for the British pound of $1 35.
And $1 14 for the Europe . These.
These assumptions are subject to uncertainty and results for the year could differ materially from our current outlook.
In 2022, we expect Moody's revenue to increase in the high single digits percent range and operating expenses, including the full year impact of acquisitions to grow in the low double digit percent range moodys.
Speaker 4: In 2022, we expect Moody's revenue to increase in the high single-digit percent range and operating expenses, including the full year impact of acquisitions, to grow in the low double-digit percent range.
Speaker 4: Moody's adjusted operating margin is forecast to be in the range of 49 to 50 percent.
Moody's adjusted operating margin is forecast to be in the range of 49% to 50%.
We estimate net interest expense to be between 202 hundred $20 million and the full year 2022 effective tax rate to be between 25 and 22, 5%.
Speaker 4: We estimate net interest expense to be between $200 and $220 million, and the full year 2022 effective tax rate to be between 20.5 and 22.5 percent.
Speaker 4: Diluted EPS and Adjusted Diluted EPS are projected to be in the range of $11.50 to $12 and $12.40 to $12.90 respectively.
Diluted EPS and adjusted diluted EPS are projected to be in the range of $11 50 to $12 and $12 40 to $12 90, respectively.
Free cash flows forecast between two three and $2 5 billion and we plan to return at least one $5 billion to stockholders through share repurchases subject to available cash market conditions, M&A opportunities and other ongoing capital allocation decisions.
Speaker 4: Free cash flows forecast to be between $2.3 and $2.5 billion, and we plan to return at least $1.5 billion to stockholders through share repurchases, subject to available cash, market conditions, M&A opportunities, and other ongoing capital allocation decisions. Included within this outlook is our intention to execute a $500 million accelerated share repurchase program in the first half of the year.
Included within this outlook is our intention to execute a $500 million accelerated share repurchase program in the first half of the year.
For full list of our guidance. Please refer to table 12 of our earnings release.
Speaker 4: For a full list of our guidance, please refer to table 12 of our earnings release.
Turning now to our issuance outlook.
Speaker 4: We expect total MIS rated issuance to decrease in the low single-digit percent range compared to record activity in the prior year. However, 2022 activity is anticipated to remain well above the prior five-year historical average of $5.1 trillion, inclusive of record issuance in 2021.
We expect total Mif's rated issuance to decrease in the low single digit percent range compared to record activity in the prior year.
However, 2022 activity is anticipated to remain well above the prior five year historical average of five one trillion dollars.
Inclusive of record issuance in 2021.
We project that investment grade activity will increase by approximately 15% following the sharp contraction in 2021.
Speaker 4: We project that investment grade activity will increase by approximately 15% following the SHARP contraction in 2021. While funding conditions for leveraged loans and high-yield bonds will remain supportive, we estimate that issuance will decline by approximately 10% and 15% respectively.
While funding conditions for leveraged loans and high yield bonds will remain supportive we estimate that issuance will decline by approximately 10% and 15% respectively.
Speaker 4: This is due to strong prior comparables and an expected decrease in opportunistic activity, particularly in high yield as global benchmark rates rise.
This is due to strong prior year Comparables and an expected decrease in opportunistic activity, particularly in high yield as global benchmark rates rise.
We forecast a 5% increase in public project and infrastructure finance activity and that financial institution issuance will be approximately flat.
After a year of robust structured finance activity issuance is expected to decline by approximately 5%.
Speaker 4: After a year of robust structured finance activity, issuance is expected to decline by approximately 5%.
Speaker 4: For 2022, we estimate 900 to 1,000 first-time mandates, which will contribute to both transaction revenue and future recurring revenue growth.
For 2020, we estimate 900 to 1001st time mandates, which will contribute to both transaction revenue and future recurring revenue growth.
Speaker 4: We expect MIS's full-year revenue to increase in the low single-digit percent range, reflecting both our strong new mandate estimate and recurring revenue base, which will offset a moderation in estimate.
We expect <unk> full year revenue to increase in the low single digit percent range, reflecting both our strong new mandate estimate and recurring revenue base, which will offset a moderation in instruments.
We forecast <unk> adjusted operating margin to be approximately 62% in line with the prior full year result.
Speaker 4: We forecast MIS's adjusted operating margin to be approximately 62% in line with the prior full year results.
Speaker 4: This is an improvement of more than 400 basis points since 2020 due to operational efficiency and expense...
This is an improvement of more than 400 basis points since 2020, due to operational efficiency and expense discipline.
Speaker 4: Turning to MA, we anticipate revenue will increase in the high teens percent range, building on strong 10% growth in organic constant currency recurring revenue in 2021.
Turning to EMEA, we anticipate revenue will increase in the high teens percent range building on strong 10% growth in organic constant currency recurring revenue in 2021.
Speaker 4: This reflects our ongoing focus on expanding our subscription-based products and is further supported by approximately 10 percentage points attributable to previously announced acquisition.
This reflects our ongoing focus on expanding our subscription based products and is further supported by approximately 10 percentage points attributable to previously announced acquisitions.
We forecast Ma's adjusted operating margin to be approximately 29% inclusive of 150 to 200 basis point headwind from recent acquisitions and foreign exchange movements.
Speaker 4: We forecast MA's adjusted operating margin to be approximately 29%, inclusive of 150 to 200 basis point headwind from recent acquisitions and foreign exchange movements.
As Rob mentioned earlier in response to Investor feedback, we are replacing our existing long term targets with new medium term guidance.
Speaker 4: As Rob mentioned earlier, in response to investor feedback, we are replacing our existing long-term targets with new medium-term guidance. This demonstrates our commitment to delivering multi-year value to our stakeholders, as well as our confidence in capitalizing on the growth opportunities available to us while maintaining an attractive margin profile over the next five years.
This demonstrates our commitment to delivering multiyear value to our stakeholders as well as our confidence in capitalizing on the growth opportunities available to us while maintaining an attractive margin profile over the next five years.
Speaker 4: For MIS, we project revenue to increase in the low to mid-single-digit percent range, coupled with an adjusted operating margin in the low 60s percent range as we continue to invest in meeting our customers' needs in emerging markets and evolving areas of risk, including ESG.
We project revenue to increase in the low to mid single digit percent range, coupled with an adjusted operating margin in the low 60% range as we continue to invest in meeting our customers' needs in emerging markets and evolving areas of risk including ESG.
However, we are targeting revenue in the low to mid teens percent range and an adjusted operating margin in the mid 30% range within five years.
Speaker 4: For MA, we are targeting revenue in the low to mid-teens percent range, and an adjusted operating margin in the mid-30s percent range within five years. We expect this increase to be driven by organic investments in our products, solutions, and distribution capabilities, as well as operating leverage from expanding recurring revenue.
We expect this increase to be driven by organic investments in our products solutions and distribution capabilities as well as operating leverage from expanding recurring revenue.
Speaker 4: As such, over the coming five years, we project Moody's revenue to grow by at least 10% on an average annualized basis.
As such over the coming five years, we predict Moody's revenue to grow by at least 10% on an average annualized basis.
Speaker 4: and adjusted operating margin to stabilize in the low 50% range. We also anticipate that adjusted diluted EPS will increase in the low double digit percent range.
And adjusted operating margin to stabilize in the low 50% range.
We also anticipate that adjusted diluted EPS will increase in the low double digit percent range.
Before turning the call back over to Rob I would like to highlight a few key takeaways.
Speaker 4: Before turning the call back over to Rob, I would like to highlight a few key takeaways.
Speaker 4: First, in 2021, Moody's delivered over $6 billion in revenue and an adjusted diluted EPS growth rate above 20% as our customer centric approach continue to address their evolving needs.
First in 2021.
Moody's delivered over $6 billion in revenue and an adjusted diluted EPS growth rate above 20%.
As our customer centric approach continue to address evolving needs.
Speaker 4: Second, following a record year of issuance in 2021, we expect activity to remain robust this year.
Second following a record year of issuance in 2021, we expect activity to remain robust this year.
Speaker 4: Third, MA's high recurring revenue growth and retention rates will continue to support strong financial results.
Third <unk> high recurring revenue growth and retention rates will continue to support strong financial results.
Speaker 4: Fourth, our strategic investments in high growth markets will strengthen our financial performance in 2022. And finally, the introduction of medium-term targets reflects our conviction in the momentum of our business.
Fourth.
Our strategic investments in high growth markets will strengthen our financial performance in 2022, and finally, the introduction of medium term target reflects our conviction and the momentum of our business.
Speaker 4: as well as our commitment to capitalizing multiple opportunities for growth. And with that, let me turn the call.
As well as our commitment to capitalize on multiple opportunities for growth.
And with that let me turn the call back over to Rob.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Mark. And before we take questions, I again, just want to recognize the efforts of all of our people at Moody's. Our entire organization remains focused on putting our customers at the center of everything that we do. And in 2022 and beyond, we're going to continue to invest and to execute to provide our customers the solutions they want and need to manage a wider range of interconnected risk. And that will reinforce our medium term growth opportunity.
Thanks, Mark and before we take questions I just want to recognize the efforts of all of our people at Moody's.
Our entire organization remains focused on putting our customers at the center of everything that we do and in 2022 and beyond we're going to continue to invest and to execute to provide our customers. The solutions. They want to need to manage a wider range of interconnected risks and that will reinforce our medium term growth opportunity.
Speaker 3: So, thanks for listening to our prepared remarks. Before we go to Q&A, I've been asked to give a brief public service announcement about our investor day. We're gonna be sharing some videos that spotlight various parts of Moody's leading up to the event. So, stay tuned for that and we look forward to seeing everybody on March 10th. So, that concludes our prepared remarks and Mark and I would be happy to take your questions. Operator.
So.
Thanks for listening to our prepared remarks before we go to Q&A I've been asked to give a brief public service announcements about our Investor day.
We're going to be sharing some videos that spotlight various parts of Moody's leading up to the event. So stay tuned for that and we look forward to seeing everybody on March 10th So that concludes our prepared remarks, and mark and I will be happy to take your questions operator.
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Speaker 1: We ask that you please limit yourself to one question with a brief follow-up question. Again, that is star one to ask a question And we'll go ahead and take our first question from Kevin McVay with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead
We'll go ahead and take our first question from Kevin Mcveigh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Yes.
Operator, we're having a hard time hearing Kevin.
Kevin Your line is open please make sure you bring senior kicked off.
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Can you hear me now.
Sorry, Yes, hey, Kevin how are you.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that. Hey, Kevin, how are you? Hey, Rob, how are you? Hey, a lot to unpack here, but I didn't wanna let the kind of one-year anniversary of your tenure go by without maybe giving us a little puts and takes over the last year, because obviously you've really moved the organization forward and all different types of environments. So just love to get your recap on kind of for.
Rob how are you hey.
A lot to unpack here, but I didn't want to let the kind of one year anniversary of your 10 year go by without maybe giving us a little puts and takes over the last year, because obviously you've.
Really move the organization forward in.
All different types of environments. So just love to get your recap on kind of first year in office, if you would.
Yeah, Kevin Thanks, that's a great way to actually I think kind of kick off the call.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin, thanks. That's a great way to actually, I think, kind of kick off the call.
Speaker 3: When I took over as CEO a little over a year ago, we had a business that was in great shape and it was really poised for.
And when I took over as CEO , a little over a year ago, we had a business that was in great shape and it was really poised for.
Speaker 3: the next chapter of growth. And I was thinking back actually before I got on this call, I was thinking back to it a year ago, and I talked about three strategic priorities at the time that I thought would really help us reinforce the
The next chapter of growth and.
I was thinking back actually before I got on this call I was thinking back to a year ago.
I talked about three strategic priorities at the time that I thought would really help us reinforce and accelerate growth and thats, probably a word you're going to hear a lot on the call today and.
Speaker 3: and accelerate growth. And that's probably a word you're going to hear a lot on the call today. And we've really been active executing on that over the last 12 to 14 months.
And we've really been active executing on that over the last kind of 12 to 14 months.
Speaker 3: You know, the first of those is deepening our understanding of our customers. And the reason that's so important is that our customers' needs around risk are evolving very rapidly. I mean, the pandemic accelerated that. So, you know, risks are more complex, they're more interrelated, there's a wider range of risks that organizations are grappling with. We've talked about it for a long time, but we've talked about it for a long time. And we've talked about it for a long time.
The first of those is deepening our understanding of our customers and the reason that so important is that our customers' needs around risk are evolving very rapidly during the pandemic accelerated about so their risks are more complex, they're more interrelated theres a wider range of risks that organizations are grappling with we've talked about that.
Better understanding these needs allows us to produce new offerings that our customers value and that then translates into more revenue per customer and adding new customers and new market segments.
Speaker 3: But better understanding these needs allows us to produce new offerings that our customers value, and that then translates into more revenue per customer and adding new customers in new market segments. The second is investing with intent to grow and scale. And in 2021, we made a number of moves to enhance our offerings and our competitive position in key markets.
The second is investing with intent to grow in scale and in 2021.
We made a number of moves to enhance our offerings and our competitive position in key markets.
Speaker 3: That included insurance and climate and KYC and commercial real estate. And really the goal here, Kevin, is to have more comprehensive offerings, again, to be able to deepen customer penetration and to add new customers that allow us to grow faster.
That included insurance in climate, and <unk> and commercial real estate and really the goal here Kevin is to have more comprehensive offerings again to to be able to deepen customer penetration and to add new customers that allow us to grow faster.
Speaker 3: The third area that I talked about as a focus area was collaborating, modernizing, and innovating. We're working together across the company.
Third area that I talked about is a focus area was collaborating modernizing and innovating and we're working together across the company.
Speaker 3: to provide our customers with this more integrated and holistic view of risk. And that means enhancing the workflow platforms for our customers and connecting them in ways that add real value, but also bearing down on technology enablement across the firm to help our own people become more efficient and to be able to leverage tools from across the firm. So Kevin, maybe just, if you would allow me, just kind of looking out now into the year ahead.
To provide our customers with this more integrated and holistic view of risk and that means enhancing the workflow platforms for our customers and connecting them in ways that add real value, but also bearing down on technology enablement.
Across the firm to help our own people become more efficient and to be able to leverage tools from across the firm. So Kevin maybe just if you would allow me just kind of looking out now into the year ahead.
Speaker 3: I think the strategy and the roadmap are set. We've been very clear about that for the last year.
Yes, I think the strategy and the roadmap of <unk>, we've been very clear about that for the last year.
We're now focused on activating our people and accelerating our growth and this year I think youre going to see us focus on a few key things that are going to contribute to.
Speaker 3: We're now focused on activating our people and accelerating our growth. And this year, I think you're going to see us focus on a few key things that are going to contribute to delivering long-term shareholder value, exceeding our customers' expectations by better understanding their sense of value and delivering a better experience.
Delivering long term shareholder value.
Exceeding our customers' expectations by better understanding their sense of value and delivering a better experience.
Speaker 3: Realizing the benefits of investments, especially over the last 12 months, because they've been substantial, to drive industry-leading growth. Building out what, you know, we call internally our risk operating system so that we can deliver differentiated, integrated solutions. And then finally, making Moody's a place that people want to come and stay. And I think as we do that, we're going to be able to really deliver for our stakeholders, our employees, our customers, our investors, and our communities.
Realizing the benefits of investments, especially over the last 12 months, because they've been substantial to drive industry leading growth.
Building out what we call internally our risk operating system. So that we can deliver differentiated integrated solutions and then finally <unk>.
Making moody's a place that people want to common state and I think as we do that we're going to be able to really deliver for our stakeholders our employees our customers our investors and our communities.
Okay.
Super Super Helpful and then just.
Speaker 5: Super, super helpful. And then just, pardon me, real quick, Mark.
Pardon me real quick Mark.
On the buyback it looks like Youre going to be about to ask what you were in 'twenty, one any thoughts as to what drove that decision is that of just capital allocation.
Speaker 5: On the buyback, it looks like you're going to be about 2x what you were in 2021. Any thoughts as to what drove that decision? Is that a just capital allocation within the context of potential M&A and just, you know, salvage, selling out in most of the glyphosate health ring?
Acacia within the context of potential M&A and just.
Obviously, you've got the cash flow in the enterprise ability to do it but just any thoughts around that because it just really really underscores that the model.
Speaker 5: You've got the cash flow and the enterprise ability to do it, but just any thoughts around that?
And Kevin have to absolutely. So maybe let me do a little bit of contextual answer then I'll address the specific question. So we remain very focused on prudent capital planning and allocation.
Speaker 4: Kevin, absolutely. So maybe let me do a little bit of contextual answer, then I'll address the specific question. So we remain very focused on prudent capital planning and allocation. As a management team, you know, we first identify opportunities for organic and inorganic investments in high-growth markets like we did in 2021 that really enrich the ecosystem of data, analytical solutions, and insights that are required to serve our customers.
As a management team, we first identify opportunities for organic and inorganic investments in high growth markets. Like we did in 2021 that really enrich the ecosystem of data analytical solutions and insights that are required to serve our customers.
Speaker 4: And then after deploying those investment dollars, we seek to return capital to our stockholders through share repurchases and dividends.
And then after deploying those investment dollars, we seek to return capital to our stockholders through share repurchases and dividends and in 2022, we plan to return at least $2 billion is about 80% of our global free cash flow to our stockholders subject of course to available cash market conditions et cetera, and thats going to include.
Speaker 4: And in 2022, we plan to return at least two billion dollars, about 80 percent of our global free cash flow to our stockholders.
Speaker 4: subject of course to available cash market conditions, etc. And that's going to include our expectation to repurchase at least
Expectation to repurchase at least one 5 billion in shares including the execution of our $500 million ASR in the first half of the year as well as approximately $500 million in dividends.
Speaker 4: $1.5 billion in shares, including the execution of a $500 million ASR in the first half of the year.
Speaker 4: as well as approximately 500 million in dividends.
Speaker 4: through a quarterly dividend of 70 cents per share, which is 13% increase from our prior quarterly dividend of 62%. And really finally, I think the key point here is we do remain very committed as a team to anchoring our financial leverage around a BBB plus rating, which we believe provides an optimal balance between lowering the cost of capital and elevating our financial flexibility.
Through a quarterly dividend of <unk> 70 per share, which is 13% increase from our prior quarterly dividend of <unk>, 62% and really finally I think the key point here is we do remain very committed as a team to anchoring our financial leverage.
Round of Triple B, plus rating, which we believe provides an optimal balance between lowering the cost of capital and elevating our financial flexibility.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And we'll go ahead and take our next question from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Please go ahead.
And we'll go ahead and kick out.
Next question from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker 6: Hi, thank you for taking my questions. I guess my first one would just be to hone in a bit more on issuance and the outlook for 22. You spoke a little bit about this in your prepared remarks, obviously, but could you spend some time just kind of talking about the biggest swing factors that could affect issuance this year, and maybe how you think about the range of potential outcomes around the 2% issuance decline figure with
I guess my first one would just be to hone in a bit more on issuance and the outlook for 'twenty two.
Talk a little bit about this in your prepared remarks, obviously, but could you spend some time just kind of talking about the biggest swing factors.
That can affect issuance this year and maybe how you think about the range of potential outcomes around the.
2% issuance declined.
With those factors in mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Andrew, happy to do that. You know, I talked a little bit in the prepared remarks about, you know, some ongoing tailwinds and, you know, we've got a positive macroeconomic backdrop. We've got healthy M&A pipeline continuing refinancing needs. But we also, and we've talked about this a number of times on this call, you know, we've got a tough comp.
Yeah sure Andrew happy to do that.
I talked a little bit in the prepared remarks about some ongoing tailwind we've got a positive macroeconomic backdrop, we've got healthy M&A pipeline.
Continuing refinancing needs, but we also have and we've talked about this a number of times on this call we've got a tough comp.
So.
Speaker 3: So, as we talked about for 2022, we're looking at issuance of decline in that low single digit percent range. And let me talk a little bit about what goes into that and what may be some of the upside downside. I think a real key to our outlook is around leveraged loans.
We as we talked about for 2022, we're looking at issuance to decline in that low single digit percent range.
And let me talk a little bit about what goes into that and what maybe some of the upside downside I think.
A real key to our outlook is around leverage loans.
Speaker 3: And you could see that our guidance is that we expect leveraged loans to be off something like 10% off of what was a really strong year last year. But I would note that there is an enormous amount of private equity money that's got to get put to work.
You could see that in our guidance is that we expect leveraged loans to be off something like 10% off of what was a really strong year.
Last year, but I would note that there is an enormous amount of private equity money, that's got to get put to work.
Speaker 3: And that's going to continue to drive leverage loan activity. And we have seen that in the month of January , despite the fact that there has been
And that's going to continue to drive leverage loan activity and we have seen that in the month of January . Despite the fact that there has been.
Speaker 3: some volatility, and that's impacted investment grade and high yield, you know, leveraged loans have continued a very robust pace. So that, for us, is really something to watch when you look at the
Some volatility and that's impacted investment grade and high yield leveraged loans have continued a very robust pace. So that that for us is really something to watch when you when you look at the.
Speaker 3: when you look at the outlook. And then, you know, if depending on what goes on with leverage loans, we would expect that to spill over to CLOs, certainly like we saw.
When you look at the outlook and then.
If depending on what goes on with leveraged loans, we would expect that the spillover to cielo certainly like we saw.
Speaker 3: And then, obviously, a big wild card I know we're all focused on is kind of the pace and trajectory of interest rate hikes.
Last year.
And then obviously a big wildcard I know, we're all focused on us.
The pace and trajectory of interest rate hikes.
Speaker 3: And, you know, that we're going to have to see how that, you know, that plays out. In terms of, you know, kind of the downside, maybe just to touch on a couple things, you know, on our mind there, I think Omicron reminded us that COVID variants can still, you know, be a little bit of a wild card.
And that we're going to have to see how that.
That plays out.
In terms of kind of the downside, maybe just to touch on a couple of things on our mind there.
I think <unk> reminded us that COVID-19 variance can still be a little bit of a wildcard to economic recovery and supply chain issues that are exacerbating and inflation and then in turn may have some impact.
Speaker 3: to economic recovery and supply chain issues that are exacerbating inflation, and then in turn may have some impact on interest rates. And I think just in general, as
On interest rates and I think just in general as.
Speaker 3: central banks are, you know, starting a tightening cycle and
Central banks are starting a tightening cycle and.
Speaker 3: you know, starting to back away from all the monetary stimulus that has been in the economy over the last several years, you know, I think there's just, again, kind of back to the pace.
Starting to back away from all of the monetary stimulus that.
Has been in the economy over the last several years I think there's just.
Again kind of back to the pace and how the market expects that to unfold produces I think theres a chance for an unexpected surprise right anytime that you have got something like this going on and if there is an unexpected surprise, we're going to see bouts of volatility we've seen a little bit of that already there wasn't much volatility of the last two years. It was just kind of full.
Speaker 3: and how the market expects that to unfold, you know, produces, I think there's the chance for an unexpected surprise, right? Anytime that you've got, you know, something like this going on. And if there's an unexpected surprise, we're going to see bouts of volatility. We've seen a little bit of that already. There wasn't much volatility the last two years. It was just kind of full on. So, you know, if we do see that, you know, that may provide a little bit of downside.
One so if we do see that that may provide a little bit of downside.
Great. That's really helpful. Thank you, particularly on leveraged loans.
Speaker 6: Great. That's really helpful. Thank you, particularly on leverage loans. I guess for my follow-up, I was just hoping you could provide an update on the ratings business in China, expectations for when that could be material. And I guess within that, how much growth in that business or in that market are you embedding in the low to mid-single digit growth expectation for MIS over the next five years. Thank you.
I guess for my follow up I was just hoping you could provide an update on the ratings business in China expectations for for when that could be material and I guess within that how much growth in that business or in that market are you embedding in the low to mid single digit growth expectation for mix over the next five years. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew, maybe let me just talk a little bit more broadly about how we're addressing the broader Chinese credit market, because I think that's how we're thinking, really thinking about it. And the first way we're doing that is serving international investors who are investing in bonds that are issued by Chinese companies in the cross-border market.
Yes, Andrew maybe let me just talk a little bit more broadly about how we're addressing the broader Chinese credit market because I think that's how we're thinking really thinking about it in the first way we are doing that.
He is serving international investors, who are investing in bonds that are issued by Chinese companies in the cross border market.
Speaker 3: And there we have a very strong position through MIS and we expect that position to continue. The second is international investors who are investing in local currency bonds issued by Chinese companies in the domestic bond market.
And there we have a very strong position through Miss and we expect that position to continue the second is international investors, who are investing in local currency bonds.
Issued by Chinese companies in the domestic bond market.
Speaker 3: And we recently launched something called China Credit View. I talked about it, I think, in the last earnings call that covers about 1,000 Chinese companies with ratings and model-derived ratings, financial statements, financial statement scores. And we've been really pleased with the early reception to that product. We've got almost 100 active prospects.
And.
We recently launched something called China credit view I talked about it I think in the last earnings call that covers about 1000 Chinese companies with ratings and model derived ratings financial statements financial statements scores and we've been really pleased with the early reception to that product, we've got almost 100 active prospects.
Speaker 3: from our core international investor customer base. And they really like the access to the broad coverage and the global scale ratings. The third are domestic Chinese investors who are investing in the local currency domestic bond market.
From our core international Investor customer base, and they really like the access to the broad coverage in the global scale ratings. The third our domestic Chinese investors, who are investing in the local currency domestic bond market.
Speaker 3: Here we address that, as you're probably aware, through CCXi, and despite some challenges last year, they continue to be the market leader. You know, just to kind of put it in perspective for you, last year they completed several thousand ratings, including both fundamental and structured finance. So the scale of that business is quite significant. So all of this is factored into both our outlook for both MIS, but also as well as MA.
Here, we addressed that as you as you're probably aware through <unk> and despite some challenges last year. They continue to be the market leader just to kind of put it in perspective for you.
Last year, they completed several thousand ratings, including both fundamental and structured finance so the scale of that business.
Is quite is quite significant so all of this is factored into both our outlook for both Ms, but also as well as M&A.
And we will go ahead I'm sorry.
Next question.
I'm Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: from Tony Kaplan with Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead. Thanks so much. I wanted to add
Thanks, so much.
I wanted to ask about the new medium term or a five year guidance.
You're looking for a revenue of low to mid teens.
Despite having RMS, which historically was slower growth I know you're expecting a lot of synergies there, but just talk about sort of what has to go right.
What are the biggest risks to the business.
Medium term guidance and M&A.
Tony Good good afternoon.
Speaker 4: The MA medium term revenue outlook that we're providing this morning of low to mid teens percentage growth really does reflect our confidence in the significant opportunity we have given customers demands while integrated risk assessment products and solutions.
The MAA medium term revenue outlook that we're providing this morning of low to mid teens percentage growth really does reflect our confidence in the significant opportunity we have given customers demand file integrated risk assessment products and solutions that.
Speaker 4: We believe there are multiple paths to achieving this target.
We believe there are multiple pods to achieving this target.
Speaker 4: at least one of which is through continued investment in organic product development and sales distribution capacity. And it's through these organic investments, along with projected growth in our recurring revenue base,
At least one of which is through continued investment in organic product development and sales distribution capacity.
It's through these organic investments along with projected growth in our recurring revenue base that we expect total organic revenue to grow at the higher end of the low teens percentage range for example to at least $4 billion by year end 2025.
Speaker 4: that we expect total MA organic revenue to grow at the higher end of the low teen percentage range, for example, to at least $4 billion by year-end 2025.
Naturally any incremental bolt on M&A that accelerates the advances our capabilities and product offerings, and which is hypothetically similar in size and scope to historically completed acquisitions could elevate us to the mid teens percentage revenue growth and.
Speaker 4: Naturally, any incremental or bolt-on M&A that accelerates or advances our capabilities and product offerings, and which is hypothetically similar in size and scope to how historically completed acquisitions, could elevate us to the mid-teens percentage revenue growth.
Speaker 4: Putting that in context, we also recognize that strategic success is not only about revenue growth, but also about concurrently expanding the margin. And so we are reaffirming in the outlook that we issued today the medium-term mid-30s MA adjusted operating margin as subscription-based products provide more operating leverage and as recurring revenue comprises an increasing proportion of MA's total revenue over the medium term.
Putting that in context, we also recognize that strategic success is not only about revenue growth, but also about concurrently expanding the margin and so we are reaffirming the outlook that we issued today the medium term mid <unk> MA adjusted operating margin as subscription based products provide more operating leverage.
And as recurring revenue comprises an increasing proportion of total revenue over the medium term.
That's great.
I wanted to also ask about ESG.
Last quarter, you talked about revenue for this year all in being sort of late 26 to 30 million.
Again, an update on where that ended up and is 20% the right growth rate to be thinking of going forward for ESG or.
Should it be higher than that and where are the fastest growing areas that we should be thinking of for ESG, Chris. Thanks.
Yes, Tony this is Rob I'll, probably start by just giving us some idea of kind of where we're focused this year around ESG and then I think mark can give you the specifics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony, this is Rob. I'll probably start by just giving you some idea of kind of where we're focused this year around ESG. And then I think Mark can give you the specific.
Speaker 3: to your question. But as we look out this year, I think our goal is really to build and scale the relevance of our ESG offerings. And that's really important. We hear from both companies and investors that they want us to play a meaningful role in the ESG space because they like our transparency and comparability and they trust our methodologies and our analytics and our data.
To your question, but.
As we look out this year I think our goal is really to build and scale the relevance of our ESG offerings and Thats really important and we hear from both companies and investors that that they want us to play a meaningful role in the ESG space, because they like our transparency and comparability and they trust, our our methodologies and our analytics and our data.
Speaker 3: There's some keys to that, and I think you're going to see us building out coverage across the rating agency. ESG and Climate are increasingly important considerations to credit. We all know that. But also sustainable finance is becoming a core part of many issuers.
There is some keys to that and I think youre going to see us building out coverage across the rating agency.
ESG and climate are increasingly important considerations to credit we all know that but also sustainable finance is becoming a core part of many issuers fund.
Speaker 3: funding program. So at the end of last year, we had almost 2,000 credit impact scores, ESG credit impact scores.
Funding program. So at the end of last year, we had almost 2000 credit impacts scores ESG credit impacts scores.
Speaker 3: which speak to the impact of ES and G on an issuer's credit profile. And these scores, they've got a transparent methodology, but also there's engagement with the issuers and our analysts.
Which speak to the impact of LNG on an issuer's credit profile and these scores they've got a they've got a transparent methodology, but but also there is engagement with the issuers and our analysts and we're going to be expanding our coverage by thousands more over the course of this year and that's going to give us ESG credit impact scores across.
Speaker 3: And we're going to be expanding our coverage by thousands more over the course of this year. And that's going to give us ESG credit impact scores across.
Speaker 3: you know, a much broader part of the MIS rated portfolio that benefit from the engagement with our analysts.
A much broader part of the mis rated portfolio that benefit from the engagement with our analysts.
Speaker 3: We're going to be expanding to help meet the sustainable finance needs of our issuers. And you're going to see that in probably around the middle of this year, where we start to expand our coverage of our second party opinions on sustainable issuance.
We're going to be expanding to help meet the sustainable finance needs of our issuers and youre going to see that in probably around the middle of this year, where we start to expand our coverage of our second party opinions on sustainable issuance.
Speaker 3: And then I think in the second half of the year, you're also going to see us start to build out things like our net zero and sustainability rating offering. So that's on top of
And then I think in the second half of the year Youre also going to see us start to build out things like our net zero and sustainability rating offerings. So that's on top of the ESG measures that cover thousands and thousands of companies with public information, but also our ESG score predictor that covers over 104.
Speaker 3: the ESG measures that cover thousands and thousands of companies with public information, but also our ESG score predictor that covers over 140 million companies that supports things like sustainable sourcing and Know Your Counterparty needs. So that's really the focus for us this year and how that's going to translate into revenue. Mark, you might want to.
Million companies that supports things like sustainable sourcing and now Youre counterparty needs. So that's really the focus for us this year and how that's going to translate into revenue Mark you might want to.
Speaker 4: talk about that. Absolutely. So in 2021, our actual ESG revenue was approximately $29 million and that reflected $22 million in standalone ESG revenue related to our climate solutions, sustainable finance and ESG research and insight products.
Talk about that absolutely do so in 2021 are actual ESG revenue was approximately $29 million and that reflected $22 million in standalone ESG revenue related to our climate solutions sustainable finance, an ESG at research and insight products.
Speaker 4: as well as an additional 7 million from integrating our ESG-related solutions into MISs and MAs product sets that Rob just spoke about. So that's a 36% year-over-year growth for 2022.
As well as an additional $7 million from integrating our ESG related solutions into misses an MH product sets that Rob just that Rob spoke about sits at 36% year over year growth for 2022.
Speaker 4: We are expecting to further increase our direct and attributable ESG-related revenue by another approximately 35% to $40 million.
We are expecting to further increase our direct and attributable ESG related revenue by another approximately 35% to $40 million and the drivers for our estimated 2022 ESG financial performance are going to include increased demand for those climate solutions and the need to include an integral.
Speaker 4: And the drivers for our estimated 2022 ESG financial performance are going to include increased demand for those climate solutions and the need to include and integrate those ESG factors into the credit analysis and investment decisions. Just as a reminder, we do have a significant amount of climate-related revenue within RMS.
Those ESG factors into the credit analysis.
In investment decisions and just as a reminder, we do have a significant amount of climate related to revenue within Rms.
Speaker 4: which we are considering reporting perhaps later this year together with our direct and attributable ESG related revenue to give you a holistic picture.
Which we are considering reporting.
Perhaps later this year together without direct and attributable ESG related revenue to give you a holistic picture.
Very helpful. Thanks, so much.
Well move to our next question from Alex Kramm with UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: We'll move to our next question from Alex Graham with UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker 7: yeah hey good morning everyone uh... wanted to ask another one of the medium term guidance and and and and so it is a specific and you may have answered this already but uh... i i i may have not heard it correctly but
Yeah, Hey, good morning, everyone.
Wanted to ask another one on the medium term guidance and sorry. If this is specific and you may have answered this already but I may have not heard it correctly, but.
Speaker 7: On the medium-term top-line guide, the 10% plus and also the MA guide, low to mid-teens, I think in your question just now you referred to the recurring organic growth rate, but is that guidance actually 100% organic, including recurring and non-recurring, or does it actually potentially include some M&A? I wasn't 100% clear.
On the medium term topline guide the 10% plus and also the guidance low to mid teens I think in your question. Just now you referred to the recurring organic growth rate, but is that guidance actually a 100% organic including recurring and nonrecurring or Ken. This is actually potentially include some some.
Some M&A I wasn't represent clear.
Sure Alex I'll try to be as clear as I can so.
Speaker 4: Sure, Alex. I'll try to be as clear as I can. So the MIS new M, sorry, the MCO medium term target, which really includes the combined MA and MIS medium term revenue guidance of at least an average annual 10% revenue KGAR.
And sorry, the mcl medium term target, which really includes the combined EMEA and mis medium term revenue guidance of at least an average annual 10% revenue CAGR.
Speaker 4: we see a pause to achieving that organic.
We see a path to achieving that organically.
Speaker 4: If I look at MA specifically, we expect the organic revenue to grow at the higher end of the low teens percentage range.
If I look at EMEA, specifically, we expect the organic revenue to grow at the higher end of the low teens percentage range.
Speaker 4: and that any bolt-on M&A over and above that, that accelerates our capabilities, will move us into that mid-teens percentage range. Robert, I know you want to spend a couple minutes on MIS and how we're thinking about that as a medium term. That's probably, that's its own topic. Alex, I'm happy to cover that if you'd like, but let me just pause there. I mean, sure.
And that any bolt on M&A over and above that that accelerates our capabilities will move us into that mid teens percentage range, rather than if you want to spend a couple of minutes on mis.
And how we're thinking about that as a medium term.
That's probably has its own topic at all.
I'm happy to cover that if you'd like but let me let me just pause there.
Sure if you want to answer and I have another question, but go ahead.
Alright, well I guess the other leg of this rate is the.
Speaker 3: All right, well, you know, I guess the other leg of this, right, is the MIS, you know, kind of medium-term outlook, and I guess let me just, you know, kind of share with you how we thought about it. So.
Is the.
Mrs.
Kind of a medium term outlook and I guess, let me just kind of share with you how we thought about it so.
Speaker 3: You know, for starters, you know, I think we all understand we're at the tail end of a period of ultra-low interest rates. We've just finished two years of enormous issuance, and we're entering a tightening cycle. And I think that would imply, you know, some natural headwind versus issuance over the last several years. And you can see that in this year's guide for MIS. So we've put out a range for MIS revenue growth.
For starters I think we all understand we're at the tail end of a period of ultra low interest rates. We've just finished two years of.
Enormous issuance and we're entering.
Tightening cycle, and I think that would imply some natural headwind versus issuance over the last several years and you can see that in this year's guide for MS. So we've put out a range for <unk> revenue growth.
And.
Speaker 3: And consistent with this year's guide, we expect to be at the lower end of that range in the short term. And as rates and growth expectations normalize, we'd expect to see a pickup in MIS revenue growth towards the higher end of that range such that, you know, on average, over the five years, we're at low to mid-single digits. And, Alex, I'm happy to, or anybody else on the call, I'm happy to build on that and what went into that outlook, but let me just pause there and see if we can get to your next question.
Consistent with this year's guide, we expect to be at the lower end of that range in the short term.
And as rates and growth expectations normalize.
We would expect to see a pickup in mis revenue.
Growth towards the higher end of that range such that <unk>.
On average over the five years, we're at low to mid single digits, and Alex I'm happy to or anybody else Nicole I'm happy to build on that and what went into that outlook, but let me just pause there and see if we can get to your next question.
Thank you.
Speaker 7: Thank you. I mean, this next one probably dovetails, and again, I may be scrutinizing here a lot in this medium-term outlook, but you obviously used to have a long-term outlook.
One probably dovetails again I may be scrutinizing here a lot in this medium term outlook, but you. Obviously you still have a long term outlook that I guess youre no longer going to have an it called for I think low teens EPS growth. So medium term low double digits I guess again I'm just scrutinizing here a little bit because it's almost the same.
Speaker 7: that I guess you're no longer going to have and it called for I think low teens EPS growth. So medium term now low double digits.
Speaker 7: I guess again, I'm just scrutinizing here a little bit because it's almost the same. But isn't this essentially a little bit of a lower growth outlook? And is that related to what you just talked about on the rating side? So just wanted to confirm how we should be comparing your long term with your medium term guidance that you just...
But isn't this essentially a little bit of a lower growth outlook and is that related to what you just talked about on the rating side. So just wanted to confirm how we should be comparing your long term with your medium term guidance that you just laid out.
Alex.
Speaker 4: Alex, we expect to grow adjusted diluted EPS in the low double digits percent range over the medium term by balancing organic and to the extent needed, inorganic investments with the return of capital to stockholders. The difference between our new medium term adjusted EPS target and the prior long-term EPS guidance is primarily driven by the expectation.
We expect to grow adjusted diluted EPS in the low double digits percent range over the medium term by balancing organic and to the extent needed inorganic investments with the return of capital to stockholders. The difference between our new medium term adjusted EPS target in the.
Fire at long term EPS guidance is primarily driven by the expectation.
Speaker 4: for incremental organic strategic investment.
For incremental organic strategic investment.
And reduced capital leverage from share repurchases based on the assumption that Moody's share price continues to increase.
Speaker 4: and reduced capital leverage from share repurchases based on the assumption that Moody's share price continues to increase.
As well as lower discrete tax benefits on a percentage basis.
Speaker 4: as well as lower discrete tax benefits on a percentage basis as adjusted net income itself grows.
As adjusted net income at.
Itself grows.
Okay very helpful and thanks for all the new disclosures here.
Speaker 1: We'll move on to our next question from Ashish Shabhadra with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
You bet well move on to our next question from Ashish Ashish <unk> with RBC capital markets. Please go ahead.
Thanks for taking my question, so I'll just follow up to the.
Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my question. So, Rob, I'll just follow up to the question that you just answered. And I was wondering if you could actually provide more detail around what is baked into your issuance assumption, because I would have expected issuance on a more normalised basis growing.
The question that he just answered and I was wondering if you could actually provide more detail around what is baked into your issuance assumption because I would've expected issuance automotive normalized basis growing more in the low to mid single digit plus you have pricing power recurring revenue growth and getting more to high to mid to high single digit.
Speaker 8: more in the low to mid single digit plus you have pricing power, recurring revenue growth, and getting more to high to mid to high single digit over the next few years versus mid single digit over the mid term. So any color on that front will be helpful on the issue.
It was <unk>.
Over the next few years.
Les is mid single digits.
Midterm, so any color on that trend will be helpful of nations. Thanks.
You bet Ashish you have got the algorithm. So let me just talk about the factors.
Speaker 3: You bet, Ashish. You've got the algorithm. So, let me just talk about the factors.
Speaker 3: You know, as we develop that range, and you're right, you know, we always talk about issuance activity being highly correlated to GDP growth over the medium to long term, but.
As we develop that range and Youre right.
We always talk about issuance activity being highly correlated to GDP growth over the medium to long term, but.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, if you just step back and look at the last couple of years, in 2020, we had economic contraction and we had enormous issuance.
It's interesting if you just step back and look at the last couple of years in 2020, we had.
We had.
Economic contraction and we had enormous issuance.
Speaker 3: So, you know, that relationship hasn't necessarily held. And this year, obviously, as we look forward, we've got economic growth, but our outlook for issuance is to be slightly down.
So that relationship Hasnt necessarily held in this year, obviously as we look forward, we've got economic growth, but our outlook for issuance is.
To be slightly down and what I think we've got going on is that there is a digestion and normalization period, that's going on here as we come out of the pandemic and these unprecedented amounts of monetary and fiscal stimulus that have driven all of this issuance and.
Speaker 3: And what I think we've got going on is that there is a digestion and normalization period that's going on here as we come out of the pandemic.
Speaker 3: and these unprecedented amounts of monetary and fiscal stimulus that have driven all of this issuance and
We've had.
Speaker 3: you know, as a kind of rapid economic cycles.
These economic kind of rapid economic cycles.
Speaker 3: But on average, we expect that relationship to hold.
But on average we expect that relationship to hold.
Speaker 3: So, again, I think there's this normalization and digestion period here, but you're exactly right. The other things that we're looking at, growth in the maturity walls, given all of the debt that's been issued over the last several years, and that provides some support or kind of what I think of as like ballast for our transaction-based revenues.
So again I think theres this normalization in digestion period here, but you are exactly right. The other things that we're looking at.
Growth in the maturity walls, given all of the debt that's been issued over the last several years.
So that provides some support or kind of what I think of it as like ballast for our transaction based revenues.
Speaker 3: On the last earnings call, I think we talked about the forward four-year refunding needs have increased something like 9% to $4 trillion for U.S. and European issuers. There's just a lot of debt out there that's got to get...
On the last earnings call I think we talked about the the forward four year refunding needs have increased something like 9% to four trillion dollars for U S and European issuers, there's just a lot of debt out there thats got to get refinanced in it.
Speaker 3: refinanced and it was something like 19% for US leveraged loan maturity.
It was something like 19% for U S leveraged loan maturities.
Speaker 3: So there was some pull forward, further pull forward in the fourth quarter, but I don't think it was outside of historical ranges. So these maturity walls still imply some good support for future issuance.
So there was some pull forward further pull forward in the fourth quarter, but.
I don't think it was outside of historical ranges. So these maturity wall is still imply some good support for future issuance, we've got pretty good visibility and confidence around recurring revenues, especially with all the first time.
Speaker 3: We've got pretty good visibility and confidence around recurring revenues, especially with all the first-time issuers that have come into the market. I think the recent strength of the leverage loan market provides support for, you know, a view that disintermediation is still alive and well. And then, Ashish, you know, you noted, you know, the opportunity for us to kind of support and enhance the value we deliver to our customers, things like sustainable finance that I touched on.
Issuers that have come into the market.
I think the recent strength of the leveraged loan market.
Provides support for our view that disintermediation is still alive.
And well and then Ashish you noted.
The opportunity for us to kind of support and enhance the value we deliver to our customers things like sustainable finance that I touched on.
Speaker 3: are places where we're going to be able to expand our offerings and support our value proposition, and in turn, support our pricing. So, the way I think about it is, she's just...
Our places, where we're going to be able to expand our offerings and support our value proposition and in turn support our pricing. So the way I'd think about Ashish is.
Speaker 3: Near term, we've got some digestion and normalization, but the structural drivers to support MIS revenue growth, I mean, they're intact over the medium term. And so I would expect growth to start to kind of pick up through the medium term horizon from that low single digit to more like that mid single digit.
Near term, we have got some digestion and normalization, but the structural drivers to support <unk> revenue growth.
They're intact over the medium term and so I would expect growth to start to kind of pick up through the medium term horizon from that low single digit.
More like that mid single digit.
That's very helpful color Rob.
Speaker 8: That's very helpful, color off. And Mark, maybe if I can ask a question on the multi-year investment. Thanks again for that slide with the detail there. But as we think about in 22, we're going to have a total of $300 million of organic investment. How should we think about that going forward in 23 and over the mid-term?
And Mark maybe if I can ask a question on the multiyear investment thanks again for that slide with the detail.
There, but as we think about.
In 'twenty, two we're going to have a total of $300 million.
Organic investment how should we think about that going forward in 2003 in order to make film.
Speaker 8: Should that come down as we go back go from an elevated organic investment to a more normalized investment cycle? And is that the key driver for significant margin expansion on the MA side? Thanks
Should that come down as we go back our goal from an elevated organic investment to a more normalized investment cycle and is that the key driver for significant margin expansion on the MA side. Thanks.
Sure.
Speaker 4: Sure. In 2022, we are expecting to increase our spending on organic strategic investments to be approximately $150 million. And that's really aimed at capturing the incremental opportunities we are seeing in the market. And that implies that our planned spend over the two-year period is approximately $300 million.
In 2022, we are expecting to increase our spending on organic strategic investments.
To be approximately $150 million and that's really aimed at capturing the incremental opportunities. We are seeing in the market and that implies that our planned spend over the two year period is approximately $300 million.
Speaker 4: These anticipated investments are really going to be focused on increasing our sales force and go to market activities. It's going to be a continuation of our 2021 strategic investment roadmaps in the high priority markets, specifically KYC, CRE banking, ESG and climate, etc., as well as some of the technology enablement and product development that we're focused on.
These anticipated investments are really going to be focused on increasing our sales force and go to market activities, it's going to be a continuation of our 2021 strategic investment roadmaps into high priority markets, specifically, <unk>, CRE banking, ESG and climate et cetera, as well as some of the technology enablement and product development.
That we're focused on I also want to just mention that in addition to this $150 million, we are expecting expenses to increase by at least $15 million. As we also continue investing in our employees and again I am please connect deeply to our Michigan as a company and we want to make sure that we attract and retain the best talent.
Speaker 4: I also want to just mention that, you know, in addition to this $150 million, we are expecting expenses to increase by at least $50 million as we also continue investing in our employees. And again, our employees connect deeply to our mission as a company.
Speaker 4: And we want to make sure that we attract and retain the best talent in order to achieve our growth aspirations.
In order to achieve our growth aspirations as I think forward to the MA margin over the medium term. These investments to the extent that they continued to be productive and favorable will continue forward and they will be allocated in the way that we think about the highest and best use of capital and prioritization. So.
Speaker 4: As I think forward to the MA margin over the medium term, these investments, to the extent that they continue to be productive and favorable, will continue forward, and they will be allocated in the way that we think about the highest and best use of capital and prioritization so that we both achieve revenue growth and ongoing margin expansion, not just in 2022, but over the medium term.
We both achieve revenue growth and ongoing margin expansion not just in 2020 that over the medium term.
Thanks, Mike that's very helpful color. Thank you.
Okay.
And we'll take our next question from Jeff Silber with BMO capital markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: And we'll take our next question from Jess Silver with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker 6: Thanks so much. I'm sorry to go back to your medium-term guidance, but I just wanted to clarify.
Thanks, So much I am sorry to go back to your medium term guidance, but I just wanted to clarify something can you talk broader about the capital allocation priorities that are built into this in terms of not only internal invest in but just as importantly shareholder returns. Thanks.
Speaker 6: Can you talk broader about the capital allocation priorities that are built into this in terms of not only internal investment, but just as importantly, shareholder returns? Thank you.
Absolutely capital allocation priorities over the medium term, we'll follow the comments I provided earlier on the call, meaning principally focused on organic and inorganic investments back into the business, we have not assumed any incremental.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Capital allocation priorities over the medium term will follow the comments I provided earlier on the call, meaning principally focused on organic and inorganic investments back into the business. We have not assumed any incremental inorganic investments other than those we have publicly announced to the market through and as of today's date.
Inorganic investments other than those we have publicly announced to the market through and as of today's date, however to the extent in the upcoming periods. We do have inorganic investments that continue to bring in.
Speaker 4: However, to the extent in the upcoming periods, we do have inorganic investments that continue to bring invaluable talent and additional products and solutions into our umbrella that will serve to enhance and accelerate the achievement of those medium-term targets within that five-year window.
Invaluable talent and additional products and solutions into our umbrella that will serve to enhance and accelerate the achievement of those medium term targets within that five year window.
And I'm, sorry, I was specifically focused on return of capital to shareholders you talked about an 80% return of free cash flow this year and Thats something that we can kind of built in going forward.
I think the way that you could think about return of capital to shareholders either through share repurchases or dividend is that we will execute that post any internal organic or sorry, either internal organic or inorganic acquisition related activity. We are focused.
Speaker 4: I think the way that you could think about return of capital to shareholders, either through share repurchases or dividends, is that we will execute that post in either internal organic or inorganic acquisition related activity. We are focused around a triple B plus.
Around a triple B plus rating level and Thats, because we believe that provides the best balance between return of capital to shareholders and our cost of capital. We are not focused on a return of percentage return of free cash flow over the medium term period.
Speaker 4: rating level, and that's because we believe that provides the best balance between return of capital to shareholders and our cost of capital. We are not focused on a percentage return of free cash flow over the medium-term period.
Okay, great and if I could just follow up with one quick one actually this is looking backwards at the fourth quarter.
Speaker 6: Okay, great. If I could just follow up with one quick one, actually, this is looking backwards at the fourth quarter. If I specifically focus on margin with an MA, I think he talked about on an annual basis, you know, what the impact was in terms of some of the investments. What was the impact on the fourth quarter? What would margins have been without some of the investment?
Typically focus on margin with them and I think you've talked about on an annual basis.
What the impact was in terms of some of the investments what was the impact on the fourth quarter, what would margins have been without some of the investments you made.
Speaker 4: So maybe compared to our implied fourth quarter margin from the last earnings call, we did accrue for a couple things. One is higher incentive compensation and commissions of about 300 basis points. We also had additional costs related to acquisitions that we announced, and that's about 200 basis points. And then specific to your question, we pulled forward select investments from 2022 into the fourth quarter of 2021, and that's worth around 400 basis points. And that's all in M8.
Yes, so maybe compared to our implied fourth quarter margin from the last earnings call. We did accrue for a couple of things one as higher incentive compensation and commissions of about 300 basis points. We also had additional costs related to acquisitions that we announced that's about 200 basis points and in specific to your question we pull.
Forward select investments from 2022 into the fourth quarter of 2021, and Thats with around 400 basis points.
And that's all in MA.
Primarily in MA correct, Okay fantastic. Thanks, so much.
We'll move onto our next question from Andrew Steinman with Jpmorgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: We'll move on to our next question from Andrew Steinerman with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to ask one more question about the underlying assumptions with the MIS medium-term revenue growth target of low-single to mid-single-digit revenue growth. So just bear with me for a second. So we looked back at the correlation between MIS's revenue growth and issuance growth, 2017 to 2021, on average, just take my number, on average, MIS revenue growth outperformed issuance by 5.6%.
Hi, I just wanted to ask one more question about the underlying assumptions with the MS medium term revenue growth target of low single to mid single digit revenue growth.
Just bear with me for a second.
We've looked back at the correlation between Mris as revenue growth in issuance growth 2017. This 2021 on an average just take my number on average.
Growth outperformed issuance by five 6% and so my question is when you think about that five year outlook do you feel like the amount of outperformance.
Speaker 9: And so my question is, when you think about that five-year outlook, do you feel like the amount of outperformance that MIS will grow faster than issuance might be less over the next five years than it was in the past number of years? And as you can understand, my underlying assumption is if that's, you know, what's your kind of underlying issuance outlook to make for that MIS revenue outlook?
We will grow faster than is joanne might be less.
The next five years that it was.
In the past number of years and as you can understand my underlying assumption is if thats.
What's your kind of underlying issuance outlook to make for that <unk> revenue outlook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we'll tag team the answer here. You know, part of it, you know, when you think about revenue outperformance of issuance, you know, a number of things go into that, right? You know, one of those is what we talk about, you know, MIPS.
Yes, maybe we'll tag team the answer here.
Part of it when you think about revenue outperformance of issuance and a number of things go into that right.
One of those is what we talk about.
Mix.
Speaker 3: And I think broadly, we have assumed a generally consistent mix with what we've seen, you know, over the last several years. That mix has generally been, you know, generally been favorable. But then a number of other things go into that that allow us to, you know, typically, you know, kind of exceed.
And I think.
Broadly we have assumed a generally consistent mix with what we've seen.
Over the last several years.
That mix has generally been.
Generally been favorable.
But then a number of other things go into that that allow us to typically kind of exceed.
Speaker 3: exceed issuance growth. Remember, you know, a third to 40% of the business is recurring. And you know, that continues to grow. Then we've got pricing, we've got new issuers through disintermediation.
Exceed issuance growth remember.
A 3rd% to 40% of the business is recurring and that's.
That continues to grow then we've got pricing, we've got new issuers through disintermediation.
Speaker 4: So those are the kind of building blocks. And Rob, maybe I'd only add to that, at least in the near term, within this five-year period, you could think about elevated cash balances.
So those are the those are the kind of building blocks and then Rob maybe I'd only add to that.
At least in the near term within this five year period, you could think about elevated cash balances.
Speaker 4: and leverage may constrain some of that more opportunistic issuance in the near term. And that will more normalize over time, to Rob's point earlier around digestion and normalization.
And leverage May constrain.
Some of that more opportunistic issuance in the near term and that will more normalize overtime to rob's point earlier around digestion and normalization.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay. Thank you.
And we will go ahead and take our next question from Craig Huber with whom our research partners. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: And we'll go ahead and take our next question from Craig Hoover with Hoover Research Partners. Please go ahead.
Speaker 10: Thank you. Rob, let me start with the RMS acquisition you guys closed on in September . Talk about what I think is a big opportunity long-term as you guys move that business and branch away from just serving the insurance market there and talk about the upside.
Thank you Rob maybe just start with RMS acquisition, you guys closed on September <unk>.
Talk about that but I think it's a big opportunity long term as you guys move that business and branch away from just serving the insurance market there to talk about the upside there long term please starters.
Craig Sorry, I had it on mute we share the same view as part of the attraction is that we.
Speaker 3: Craig, sorry, I had it on mute. We share the same view. You know, that was part of the attraction is that there, you know, we see two opportunities here, building out, you know, a great, comprehensive, more comprehensive insurance business, but also taking, you know, these, you know, kind of weather and climate disaster capabilities, you know, to a broader, our broader customer base.
We see two opportunities here building out.
A great comprehensive more comprehensive insurance business, but also taking.
These kind of weather and climate disaster capabilities.
<unk>.
To to our broader our broader customer base, so to give you a sense of that.
Speaker 3: So, you know, to give you a sense of that, you know, it's interesting when we go out and talk to banks and, you know, asset managers, you know, some of them are out actually trying to hire, you know, folks with climate expertise and it's difficult, you know, these are scarce resources. And that's one thing that attracted us to RMS is it's got world-class expertise at scale. And that is just really difficult to get. But what we hear from...
It's interesting when we go out and talk to banks.
Asset managers.
Some of them are out actually hired trying to hire.
Folks with climate expertise in.
And it's difficult.
These are scarce resources Thats, one thing that attracted us to RMS is it's got world class expertise at scale and that is just really difficult.
To get but what we hear from.
Speaker 3: You know, when we go out beyond insurance customers, we hear, you know, how is climate risk going to affect my portfolio?
When we go out beyond insurance customers, who were here how is climate risk going to affect my portfolio and how material are the effects that's part of.
Speaker 3: and how material are the effects? You know, that's part of, you know, what we're hearing. And so, you know, we see opportunities around commercial real estate to be able to integrate that into the analytics, commercial mortgage-backed security, analytics.
What we're hearing and so.
We see opportunities around commercial real estate to be able to integrate that into our into the analytics commercial mortgage backed security analytics.
Speaker 3: We've had some interesting conversations with residential mortgage lenders who want to understand the degree of, you know, for instance, uninsured flood risk beyond what's covered by FEMA. We've got banks who are having to do climate stress testing and need to have more sophisticated testing.
<unk> had some interesting conversations with.
Residential mortgage lenders, who want to understand the degree of for instance, uninsured flood risk beyond what's covered by FEMA.
We've got banks, who are having to do climate stress testing and need to have more sophistic tool.
Speaker 3: tools around that. You've got governments who are now needing to, you know, try to understand the vulnerability of their communities to climate change and then start to think about the kinds of risk mitigation investments that they're going to make. And I think with the infrastructure bill, you know, some of that we're going to see investments in building climate resilience.
Tools around that you.
<unk> got governments, who are now needing to try to understand the vulnerability of their communities to climate change and then start to think about the kinds of risk mitigation investments that theyre going to make and I think with the infrastructure Bill some of that we're going to we're going to see investments in building climate resilience.
Speaker 3: but you need the data and the tools to be able to assess, you know, are these worthwhile investments and what impact are they going to have on mitigating the financial loss relating to climate change? So, Craig, you know, we're now in the process. We've sat down with our teams. We've looked at what we think are the most interesting opportunities around this and are starting to work to develop products.
But you need the data and the tools to be able to assess our these worthwhile investments and what impact are they going to have a mitigating the financial loss relating to climate change so Greg.
We've now we're now in the process, we sat down with our teams. We've we've looked at what we think are the most interesting opportunities around this and are starting to work to develop products and also going out and talking with our customers beyond insurance to understand what do you want and how can we provide it.
Speaker 3: And also going out and talking with our customers beyond insurance to understand what do you want and how can we provide it? And Craig, if I were to put just a few numbers around that related to RMS for 2022.
Craig if I were to put just a few numbers around that related to add two RMS for 2022 particular.
Speaker 4: We are expecting revenue growth in the mid-single-digit percent range.
We are expecting revenue growth in the mid single digit percent range and that would be in line with our transaction model inclusive of some of the emerging synergies that Rob spoke about and then on a full year basis from 2022 to 2023, excluding any impact of the 2022 deferred revenue haircut, we expect <unk>.
Speaker 4: And that would be in line with our transaction model, inclusive of some of the emerging synergies that Rob spoke about. And then on a full year basis, from 2022 to 2023, excluding any impact of the 2022 deferred revenue haircut, we expect RMS revenue to grow in the high single digit percent range.
<unk> revenue to grow in the high single digit percent range.
That's helpful that it also want to ask you guys. The medium term guidance sorry to go back to this again.
Speaker 10: That's helpful. I also wanted to ask you guys, the medium-term guidance, sorry to go back.
I think most people would be very happy if you guys could put up at least 10% of revenue growth through you're talking about margins.
Speaker 10: Most people would be very happy if you guys could put up at least 10% of revenue growth here. You're talking about margins in the low 50s.
And in the low fifties here, you're basically there right now.
Is it just being conservative on the margin when you guys talk about the margins that you really you have to grow costs that much.
Speaker 10: It's just being conservative on the margin when you guys talk about the margins that you really have to grow costs that much
The margins are can really move that over the medium term here is it also market. My housekeeping question I would ask incentive comp in the quarter, what was that and also transaction cost you've talked on the press release, but it wasn't quantified without material. Thank you.
Speaker 10: aren't going to really move that over the medium term here, and also Mark, my housekeeping question I wanted to ask, incentive comp in the quarter, what was that, and also transaction costs, you talked about in the press release but it wasn't quantified, was that material?
Sure. Let me start with your first question. So we're not looking necessarily to provide more specific timelines for achieving our guidance.
Speaker 4: within the next five years for each of the medium-term metrics that we provided this morning.
Within the next five years for each of the medium term metrics that we provided this morning. However, some targets will likely be achieved intuitively.
Speaker 4: However, some targets will likely be achieved intuitively.
Speaker 4: earlier than others. For example, the outlook for the 2022 MIS Adjusted Operating Margin is 62% and is within our medium-term guideline.
Earlier than others for example, the outlook for the 2022 Mis adjusted operating margin is 62% and is within our medium term guidance range. So there you could think about our primary objective is really to maintain or modestly expand Ams s's adjusted operating margin within that low <unk> range, while preferring to.
Speaker 4: So there you could think about our primary objective is really to maintain or modestly expand MIS's adjusted operating margin within that low 60s range, while preferring to reinvest to drive growth, add value and scale over time.
To reinvest to drive growth add value and scale over time. Similarly, as the relative proportion was size of the MA business grows relative to.
Speaker 4: Similarly, as the relative proportion or size of the MA business grows relative to MIS, you'll begin to see that influence the timing of the emergence of the MCO margin into that low 50s percent range.
<unk> mist youll begin to see that influenced the timing of the emergence of the MTO margin into that low 50% range on your other question in terms of that incentive compensation for the quarter that was at $117 million and for 2022, we expect incentive compensation to be approximately.
Speaker 4: On your other question in terms of that incentive compensation for the quarter, that was $117 million.
Speaker 4: And for 2022, we expect incentive compensation to be approximately $75 million per quarter.
$75 million per quarter.
Speaker 4: or around $300 million for the full year. And just to note, their RMS would contribute roughly $7 million per quarter of that number.
Or around $300 million for the full year and just to note there RMS would contribute roughly $7 million.
Our per quarter of that number and then I think you'll final question was on a deal with transaction related expenses for the full year 'twenty 'twenty. One we had around a 16, St cost or around $40 million from M&A transaction and deal related.
Speaker 4: And then I think your final question was on a deal or transaction related expenses for the full year 2021.
Speaker 4: We had around a $0.16 cost or around $40 million from M&A transaction and deal related expenses and that would include the cost of the RMS purchase price hedge loss.
Expenses and that would include the cost of the RMS that purchase price hedge loss.
What was that number in the fourth quarter Mark.
For full year. It was <unk> million dollars for fourth quarter, specifically was $5 million for M&A deal and transaction costs as an operator.
Speaker 4: The full year was $40 million.
Speaker 4: Well, fourth quarter specifically was $5 million for M&A deal and transaction costs, so not really.
We'll take our next question from Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: We'll take our next question from Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Speaker 11: Yeah, good afternoon and thank you for taking my questions. Could you please talk about your investments in the SaaS solutions to banking customers? Are you going to provide more like the software solutions or you're migrating your existing data solutions to the cloud or changing your contracts to be more recurring? Any more color would be helpful on the SaaS front. Thank you.
Yes, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions.
Could you. Please talk about your investments in SaaS solutions to banking customers.
Are you going to provide more like the software solutions or youre migrating your existing data solutions to the cloud while changing our contracts to be more recurring any more color would be helpful. On the SaaS front. Thank you.
It's Rob.
Speaker 3: So, you know, one of the things that we're doing is we're in the process of converting some of our customers from kind of legacy on-prem solutions that we provide to them to our new SaaS-based solution.
So.
One of the things that we're doing is we're.
We're in the process of converting some of our customers from kind of legacy.
Legacy on Prem solutions that we provide to them to our new SaaS based solutions and so we talked a little bit about.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, we talked a little bit about, you know, what's going on there in terms of that, you know, that conversion. But, you know, that does a couple things for us. One, it, you know, these SaaS solutions give us an opportunity to get a little more revenue uplift, but it also helps with our penetration and our ability to integrate our offerings. So, if you kind of think about what we've got across, you know, kind of banking and ERS, you know, we're building out an ecosystem.
Whats going on there in terms of that.
That conversion, but that does a couple of things for us.
One.
SaaS solutions gives us an opportunity to get a little more revenue uplift, but it also helps with our penetration and our ability to integrate.
Our offerings.
If you kind of think about what we've got across.
Kind of banking and <unk>.
Yes.
We're building out an ecosystem.
Speaker 3: that helps support banks around origination, risk, finance, and planning.
That helps support.
Banks around.
Origination risk finance and planning and so rather than kind of a collection of of.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, rather than, you know, kind of a collection of, you know, kind of legacy on-prem, what we're trying to do is build out a connected SaaS-based ecosystem.
Kind of legacy on Prem what we're trying to do is build out our connected SaaS based ecosystem.
Speaker 3: That's going to allow us to connect this better and to be able to help our customers kind of work across their departments. That's what we hear from them all the time. So that's really what's behind that strategy.
That's going to allow us to to connect this better and to be able to help our customers kind of work across their departments and that's what we hear from them. All the time, so that's really what's behind that strategy.
Got it and then another housekeeping question I wanted to go back to the MA margin in 2022, 29%.
Speaker 11: Got it. And then another housekeeping question. I want to go back to the MA margin in 2022. 29% up from 26% in 2021.
From 26% in 2021.
Speaker 11: Could you please help us think about the trajectory of these margin expansions in each quarter? Should we expect a gradual expansion each quarter and you can potentially exit 2022 with over 29% margin, or do you expect the margin to be stable at around 29% each quarter in 2022?
Could you. Please help us think about the trajectory of these margin expansion in each quarter should we expect a gradual expansion each quarter and you can potentially exit 2022 with over 29% margin or do you expect the margin to be stable at around 29% each quarter in 2022. Thank you.
When I think about 2022, the MA adjusted operating margin guidance that we announced today of 29% that includes a 150 to 200 basis points.
Speaker 4: When I think about 2022, the MA Adjusted Operating Margin Guidance that we announced today of 29%, that includes 150 to 200 basis points of margin compression from recent acquisitions and movements in foreign exchange rates.
Of margin compression from recent acquisitions.
And movements in foreign exchange rates and.
Speaker 4: And, you know, in addition to our multi-year initiatives in high growth markets, we are targeting investments to bolster our best-in-class sales force and to focus on cross-selling opportunities across multiple product lines.
In addition to our multi year initiatives in high growth markets. We are targeting investments to bolster our best in class sales force and to focus on cross selling opportunities across multiple multiple product lines.
Speaker 4: For 2021, as I think about sort of run rates here, and I think here's the key point that you're driving at.
In 2021, as I think about sort of run rate here and I think here's the key point that youre driving at.
Speaker 4: I feel your guidance anticipates in the first quarter of 2022 expenses to be about 120 to 140 million lower than the fourth quarter.
Our full year guidance.
Anticipates in the first quarter of 2022 expenses to be about $120 million to $140 million lower than the fourth quarter and thats, primarily due to the reset of our incentive compensation accruals as well as well as lower levels of organic investments and given we accelerated some of that investment.
Speaker 4: And that's primarily due to the reset of our incentive compensation cruels, as well as lower levels of organic investments. And given we accelerated some of that investment spending into that fourth quarter, and if I think about now just within 2022,
Spending into that fourth quarter, and if I think about now just within 2022.
Speaker 4: Annual merit increases, I would say, as well as talent acquisition and ongoing organic investments, they'll contribute to an expense ramp during the year of somewhere between 80 to 100 million. So, if you Q1 2022, 120 to 140 million lower than Q4, which of course will support margin, and then think about during the year as 80 to 100 million dollars of expense ramp.
Annual Merit increases I would say as well as talent acquisition.
And ongoing organic investments that will contribute to an expense ramp during the year of somewhere between $80 million to $100 million. So.
Q1, 2022 to $120 million to $140 million lower than Q4, which of course will support margin and then think about during the year is $80 million to $100 million $80 million to $100 million of that of expense ramp.
Speaker 1: And we'll go ahead and move on to our next question from Manav.
And we'll go ahead and move on to our next question from Manav.
Speaker 1: Putnaik with Barclays. Please go ahead. Thank you. Mark, I guess I was hoping you could just expand on that.
With Barclays. Please go ahead.
Thank you Mark I guess I was hoping you could just expand on that kind of seasonality topic.
And then just talk about some of the other moving pieces.
Speaker 12: and as we move to the rest of the year.
First quarter and as we move through the rest of the year.
I guess, we just don't want to get carried away, putting the full year guidance into <unk> run rates here.
Speaker 12: I guess we just don't want to get carried away, putting the full year guidance into one Q round.
We consider this historical issuance seasonality patents as we developed our 2022 forecast.
Speaker 4: We considered historical issue and seasonality patterns as we developed our 2022 forecast.
For Mis, we anticipate that transaction revenue will be stronger than the first half vis vis the second half of the year as issue is take advantage of favorable market conditions and secure funding ahead of potential headwinds from interest rates and inflation uncertainties and this is similar to the market dynamics that existed in 2020.
Speaker 4: For MIS, we anticipate that transaction revenue will be stronger in the first half, vis-a-vis the second half of the year. As issuers take advantage of favorable market conditions and secure funding ahead of potential headwinds from interest rate and inflation uncertainties. And this is similar to the market dynamics that existed in 2020 and 2021, where 59% and I think 56% of total full year issuance was completed in the first half respectively.
In 2021.
59% and I think 56% of total full year issuance was completed in the first half respectively.
Speaker 4: For MA, revenue is highly recurring, and it's expected to progressively increase over the year. And that's comparable to the actual 2020 and 2021 results, which had just under 50% of total full-year revenue reported in the first half.
For MA revenue is highly recurring and it's expected to progressively increase over the year and thats comparable to the actual 2020 in 2021 results, which had just under 50% of total full year revenue reported in the first half.
Speaker 4: In thinking about expenses, to my comments a moment ago, we expect an increase in spending from the first quarter to the fourth quarter in the range of $80 to $100 million. And as I mentioned a moment ago, driven in part by the timing of annual merit and promotion increases, as well as ongoing organic investment activity.
And thinking about expenses.
To my comments, a moment ago, we expect an increase in spending from the first quarter to the fourth quarter in the range of $80 million to $100 million.
And as I mentioned, a moment ago driven in part by the timing of annual Merit and promotion increased as well as well as ongoing organic investment activity.
And then I would like to probably in here with we are expecting the full year 2020 strategic investment spending of $150 million will be more weighted towards the second half of the year.
Speaker 4: And then I would like to probably end here with, you know, we're expecting the full year 2020 strategic investment spending of $150 million will be more weighted towards the second half of the year.
Speaker 12: All right, and Rob, maybe if I can just ask, you know, in terms of, you know, the M&A pipeline, outlook, appetite, just your thoughts here, is RMS just a lot to digest before you do anything more significant?
Got it.
And Rob maybe if I can just ask in terms of the M&A pipeline outlook appetite just yet just as hard as iron mask, just a lot to digest before you do anything more significant.
And Manav.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a pretty busy 12 months.
We had a pretty busy 12 months.
Speaker 3: We are very focused, as I said, on realizing the benefit of those investments. And we're excited about the opportunity with RMS. There's a lot of work to do.
We are very focused as I said.
Realizing the benefit of those investments and we're excited about the opportunity with RMS was a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3: And we need to make sure we're executing on that. I would also, you know, note, Manav, we.
And we need to make sure we're executing on that I would also.
Manav.
Speaker 3: You know, we bought three, you know, small KYC businesses in the KYC space just in the fourth quarter. And, you know, that was part of this investment that was going on in the fourth quarter and accelerating the integration. So we could accelerate our speed to market with this this workflow solution from a company called.
We bought three small.
<unk> business is in the <unk> space just in the fourth quarter and that was part of this investment that was going on in the fourth quarter and accelerating the integration and so we can accelerate our speed to market with this this workflow solution from a company called.
Speaker 3: So, I guess what I would say, Manav, is
Passport, so I guess, what I would say Manav is we're feeling pretty good because we have invested a lot in building out our capabilities in some areas.
Speaker 3: We're feeling pretty good because we have invested a lot in building out our capabilities in some areas that we think are very important. You know that we're always, you know, out there. We have a great corporate development team, but we feel like we've really enhanced our capabilities. We've added our customers, added customers in new areas, and we're really focused on executing this year to realize the benefit of that.
Very important you know that we're always.
Out there.
We have a great corporate development team, but.
We feel like we've really enhanced our capabilities, we've added our customers added customers in new areas.
And we're really focused on executing.
This year to realize the benefit of that.
Yeah.
Alright, Thank you guys.
Yes.
Well go ahead and take our next question comes.
Speaker 1: We'll go ahead and take our next question from Shlomo from Rosen or sorry, Rosenbaum from Staples, please go ahead.
Shlomo from that resin.
Demand from Stifel. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions Hey, Rob maybe you could talk a little bit about getting you back to the medium term guidance that seems to be the main topic of the call here.
Speaker 10: Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. Hey, Rob, maybe you could talk a little bit about, I'm going to get back to the medium-term guidance that seems to be the main topic of the call here. Just the top-line growth is the expectation to get at least 10%, and it seems like that's really an organic growth number.
The topline growth is the expectation to get at least 10% and it seems like that's really an organic growth number.
Speaker 10: sounds like from the answers to all the various questions. That's definitely an improvement over what the company was pointing to historically in its trajectory. And maybe you could talk about.
It sounds like from the answers all the various questions that is definitely an improvement over what the company was pointing to historically and its trajectory and maybe you could talk about like what has changed that gives you confidence that you'll be able to do that versus what you had done in the past or what you were driving towards in the past is it a matter of some.
Speaker 10: What's changed that gives you confidence that you'll be able to do that versus what you had done in the past or what you were driving towards in the past? Is it a matter of some of the acquisitions you've made, it's some of the products you've made, some of the sales force, just maybe there's a little bit of a bridging you can do in order to kind of help us understand why the expectation is higher for organic growth at this point. And then I'll have a follow-up.
The acquisitions, you've made and some of the products you've made some of the sales force just maybe there's a little bit of a bridging you can do in order to kind of help us understand why the expectation is higher for organic growth at this point and then I'll have a follow up.
Yep, Thanks Shlomo so.
Speaker 3: Yep, thanks very much. So, you know, first of all, I just, you know, I think we see a path and have confidence that we can get there organically. But as Mark said, you know, there may also be some M&A along the way.
First of all I just.
We see a path and have confidence that we can get there organically, but as Mark said there may also be some M&A along along the way.
Speaker 3: But we feel good about it, and the reason why, I'd say, you know, two things. One, we're in markets that are growing. I mean, if you look at the current addressable market that we talk about, you know, a number of just the underlying markets are growing nicely, right? So, I think of that as, you know, we live in an attractive neighborhood.
But we feel good about it.
And the reason why I would say two things.
One.
We're in markets that are growing I mean, if you look at the the current addressable market that we talked about a number of just the underlying.
Underlying markets are growing nicely.
So I think of that as we live in an attractive neighborhood.
Speaker 3: And obviously, we as a team and as a company are trying to focus our investments on the most attractive parts of that broader addressable market. But second, we've been investing heavily. That's been a theme.
And obviously, we as a team and as a company are trying to focus our investments on the most attractive parts.
Of that broader addressable market.
But second.
We've been investing heavily that's been a theme on this call to build out the capabilities and it's been through some of the acquisitions, where we think now we've got.
Speaker 3: to build out the capabilities. And it's been through some of the acquisitions where we think now we've got, you know, world-class capabilities around climate at scale.
World class capabilities around climate at scale, we have got a what we believe is a very strong platform for KFC in financial crime compliance and.
Speaker 3: we have got a, what we believe is a very strong platform for KYC and financial crime compliance. And, you know, it's no longer just our data, but now we have a workflow platform that we're integrating into. And that's an important need for our customers in the market.
No longer just are.
Our data, but now we have a workflow platform that we're integrating into and that's that's really important it's an important need for our customers in the market. We're investing in our commercial real estate business, we invested specifically in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: We're investing in our commercial real estate business. We invested specifically in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: to accelerate some of our product launches into you know that that'll give us some growth into 2022 and beyond so
To accelerate some of our product launches.
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That will give us some growth into 2022 and beyond so I guess, we feel good about the growth prospects of the.
Speaker 3: I guess we feel good about the growth prospects.
Speaker 3: of the markets we're serving, and we feel good about the capabilities that we have been building in acquiring and integrating to be able to capitalize on those growth opportunities.
The markets, we're serving and we feel good about the capabilities that we have been building and acquiring and integrating to be able to capitalize on those growth opportunities.
Okay, Great and then just kind of piggybacking off of a question of that bond of that.
Speaker 10: Okay, great. And then just kind of piggybacking off of a question that Bonav asked, would you say that, you know, the busy 2021 M&A engagement,
Would you say that the busy 2021 M&A.
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Engagements that you had.
Speaker 10: Would you consider that kind of an anomaly or something that the company is positioned to, we're positioned to repeat something like that, that might become more frequent. I mean, the comment you made, it seems like you want to digest some of the big bites that you made, but I just want to ask you, do you feel like you're positioned differently than you were in the past in terms of...
Would you consider that kind of an anomaly or something that the company is positioned to.
We're positioned to repeat something like that that might become more frequent I need to let the comment you made it seem like you want to digest.
Some of the big bites that you've made but I just wanted to ask you do you feel like you're positioned differently than you were in the past in terms of.
Doing a larger kind of M&A program kind of debt.
Speaker 10: doing a larger kind of M&A program kind of that would enhance the already improved organic revenue growth that you've laid out.
Enhanced.
Already improved organic revenue growth that you've laid out.
I guess I would say two things one.
Speaker 3: You know, I guess I would say two things. One, you know, we knew where we wanted to invest.
We knew where we wanted to invest.
Speaker 3: you know, based on, you know, the strategy and the market opportunity and where we thought we have.
Based on the strategy and the market opportunity and where we thought we have.
Speaker 3: a real right to win in the market and you know we have what we call internally these business
A real right to win in the market and we have.
What we call internally these business blueprints that we use to figure out what do we need to do both from a organic investment standpoint, but also from an acquisition standpoint, and so we felt like it was important to build out those capabilities to accelerate the build out of those capabilities and the acquisition of those capabilities.
Speaker 3: that we use to figure out, you know, what do we need to do both from an organic investment standpoint but also from an acquisition standpoint.
Speaker 3: So we felt like it was important to build out those capabilities, to accelerate the build out of those capabilities and the acquisition of those capabilities.
Speaker 3: because we feel that speed to market in some of these markets that we serve is really important. You've heard me talk about that. KYC, that market is growing and you see, you know, we're growing that, you know, depending on the time period, you know, mid-20s or more. What that means is you've got a lot of customers who are adopting new solutions and the retention rates are high.
Because we feel that speed to market and some of these <unk>.
Markets that we serve is really important and you've heard me talk about that <unk> that market is growing and you see we're growing that.
Depending on the time period.
Mid twenty's or more what that means is you've got a lot of customers who are adopting new solutions in the retention rates are high and so we want to we want to be able to get those customers onto our platforms.
Speaker 3: And so we want to be able to get those customers onto our platform.
Speaker 3: I think the same is going to be true with climate. You know, as we as we think about the need as Craig asked about, you know, isn't there a great opportunity beyond insurance? Yes, there is. But we've got to have the capabilities to be able to meet that need quickly.
The same is going to be true with climate.
As we as we think about the need as Craig asked about isn't there a great opportunity beyond insurance, yes, there is but we've got to have the capabilities to be able to meet that need quickly.
Speaker 3: So I think there was an element of wanting to really enhance, you know, our speed to market, and it was an active year. You know, there was a lot out there, you know, we know there were a lot of opportunities that were also out in the market. So.
So I think there was an element of wanting to really.
Enhance our speed to market and it was an active year there was a lot out there.
We know there were a lot of opportunities that were also.
Out in the market so.
I don't know if its an anomaly we don't have a quota we have plans on how we want to drive growth.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if it's an anomaly. We don't have a quota. We have plans on how we wanna drive growth and we're gonna continue to execute on those plans.
We're going to continue to execute on those plants.
Great. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We'll move on to our next question from George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead and...
We will move on to our next question from George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thanks, good morning.
Speaker 10: Hi, thanks, good morning. Historically, pricing has contributed 3% to 4% to overall revenue growth. How do you expect pricing trends to evolve compared to historical levels given rising inflation? And what kinds of increases are you seeing in labor costs, especially in the more labor-intensive MIS segment?
Historically pricing has contributed 3% to 4% to overall revenue growth, how do you expect pricing trends to evolve compared to historical levels, given rising inflation and what kinds of increases are you seeing in labor costs, especially in the more labor intensive MIF segment.
Hey, George it's Rob.
Speaker 3: So I think our view is that they probably have a consistent pricing opportunity. I guess you might be able to argue, well, isn't there more upside with inflation?
So I think our view is that they probably have a consistent pricing opportunity I guess, you might be able to argue or isn't there more upside with inflation.
Speaker 3: I think we just have a long-term view on pricing in the rating agency and MA, I mean, all across the firm. You know, we wanna be prudent and thoughtful about price. You know, price is obviously important to our customers as well. So what it's really about, and, you know, we get questions about this in the rating agency, it's about making sure that we are reinforcing the value proposition that we deliver to our customers. And I think an important part of that for MIS going forward
We just we just have a long term view on pricing in the rating agency in EMEA I mean, all across the firm.
We want to be prudent and thoughtful about price price is obviously important to our customers as well so what it's really about and.
We get questions about this in the rating agency, it's about making sure that we are reinforcing the value proposition that we deliver to our customers and I think an important part of that for mix going forward.
Speaker 3: is going to be around sustainable finance. I mean, we hear from our customers all the time.
Is is going to be around sustainable finance I mean, we hear from our customers all the time.
I've got a sustainable finance program and I want Moody's to be able to help me with my credit rating. My second party opinion various aspects of that we're also integrating all of that into our into our research for the investors in our issuers and fixed income instruments. So yes.
Speaker 3: I've got a sustainable finance program and I want Moody's to be able to help me with my credit rating, my second party opinion, you know, various aspects of that.
Speaker 3: We're also integrating all that into our research for the investors and our issuers of fixed income issuance.
Speaker 3: You know, that's how we think about supporting that value proposition. And I think, you know, again, we're taking a long-term view. In terms of labor costs, you know, Mark touched on it.
Yes.
That's how we think about supporting that value proposition and I think again, we're taking a long term view in terms of labor costs Mark touched on it.
Speaker 3: Look, we're investing in our people, and I'm sure you've heard this on a number of calls of companies that you cover, we're no different.
Look we're investing in our people and I'm sure you've heard this on a number of calls of companies that you cover we're no different.
Speaker 3: You know, we're investing to make sure that our compensation increases are competitive with the market, but also making sure that we are retaining the key talent that we need to drive the company forward. And you can imagine there are certain types of skills that are high demand. We're very focused on making sure that we can attract and retain that kind of talent.
We're investing.
To make sure that our compensation increases.
Our competitive with the market, but also.
Making sure that we are retaining the key talent that we need to drive the company forward and you can imagine there are certain types of skills that are in high demand and we're very focused on making sure that we can.
Track and retain that kind of talent.
Got it that's helpful. You've made a lot of investment in May in the <unk> market recently, if you look forward what areas do you want to focus on the segment from an M&A perspective.
Speaker 13: Got it, that's helpful. You've made a lot of investment in MA in the KYC market recently. If you look forward, what areas do you want to focus on in the MA segment from an M&A perspective?
Across M&A so.
Speaker 3: You know, I guess George, you're right, we have made several investments in KYC.
I guess, so Georgia right, we have made several investments in <unk>.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty fragmented market. You know, we're building out our capabilities. We acquired some capabilities and we're integrating those.
It's a pretty fragmented market, we're building out our capabilities, we acquired some capabilities and where we are.
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Integrating those.
Speaker 3: There may be other opportunities. I mean, I think one thing that you hear from us as a management team is, you know, we're trying to invest in high growth opportunities where we think we're well positioned to win in the market.
There may be other opportunities.
One thing that you hear from from US as a management team is we're trying to invest in high growth opportunities, where we think we're well positioned.
When in the market <unk> is one of those so yes, we have made some.
Speaker 3: KYC is one of those. So yes, we have made some investments, but I think you'll see us continue to make investments. Organic, it may be inorganic if it's on our business blueprints.
Investments, but I think youll see us continue to make investments organic it may be inorganic if it's if it's on our.
Business blueprints.
Sure.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, we've been pretty clear about where we want to continue to build scale across the business, where we see very strong growth. It's, you know, it's KYC, it's insurance and banking, it's commercial real estate, and then ESG and climate.
And so we've been pretty clear about where we want to continue to build scale across the business, where we see very strong growth.
It's <unk>.
Insurance and banking, it's commercial real estate and ESG and climate.
Very helpful. Thank you.
And we will go ahead and take our last question from accretion Hello with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1: And we'll go ahead and take our last question from Christian Ballou with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Christian, this may be one of those you're on mute moments from the last two years of Zoom.
Christian this may be one of those youre on mute moments from the last two years of zoom.
I'm not beating a dead horse here, but on the 'twenty to 'twenty outlook.
Speaker 4: the dead holes here. But on the 2022 outlook, if I look at sort of slide 22, I see lower issuance, I see what should be a negative makeshift given high yield and structured.
If I look at sort of slide 22, IC lower issuance I see what should be a negative mix shift given high yield and structured.
Typically have better revenue yields and those are going down.
Speaker 4: typically have better revenue yields and those are going down, but you seem very confident in your revenue growth outlook for 2020.
But you seem very confident in your revenue growth outlook for 'twenty. Two so just curious what's the delta there would you think about what the Delta is if you have lower issuance and lower.
Speaker 14: Just curious, what's the delta? Is there a way to think about what the delta is? If you have lower issuance and lower, right, a negative mix shift, what's the delta to actually revenue?
Negative mix shift, what's the delta to our key revenue growth is it pricing is it new folks coming on board I'd be curious how you think about that.
Speaker 14: pricing? Is it new folks coming on board? I'd be curious how you think about that.
Christian Good day good afternoon.
Speaker 4: Christian, good afternoon. The outlook for 2022 includes both an expectation of a similar, though not as favorable, infrequent issue amidst the pandemic.
Outlook for 2022 includes both an expectation.
A similar.
Although not as favorable infrequent issuer mix going into certainly the first half of the year.
Speaker 4: going into certainly the first half of the year.
Speaker 4: You could typically think of us as making slightly more on the high yield and leverage loans just on a per dollar basis. But equally important leverage loans serve as a
You could typically see costs about us.
As making slightly more.
On the high yield and leverage loans, just on a per dollar basis, but equally important leverage loans serve as a funnel for structured finance as CLO creation, which provides further opportunities for the year with the upside to the Ed Christian we missed part of your question, but I think we get we get the <unk>.
Speaker 3: for structured finance CLO creation, which provides further opportunities for the upside. Yeah, and Christian, we missed part of your question, but I think we get the question. And, you know, if you think about...
Western and.
If you think about.
Speaker 3: you know, where we are from a issuance outlook perspective, and then kind of where we get to from a revenue growth perspective.
Where we are from a <unk>.
Issuance outlook perspective, and then kind of where we get to from a revenue growth perspective and.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to those building blocks. So let's start with somewhere between a third to 40%, depending on transaction revenue, is recurring revenue. And that recurring revenue is growing, and that's supported by the north of 1,100 first time issuers that came into the portfolio last year. Then we've got, you know,
Now im going to go back to those building blocks.
Let's start with.
Somewhere between a 3rd% to 40% depending on bond transaction revenue.
Is recurring revenue and that recurring revenue is growing and thats supported by.
The north of 1100 first time issuers.
That came into the portfolio last year than we've got pricing.
Speaker 3: And there is an element of mix, but if you kind of look at where we are from a issuance outlook to a revenue growth outlook, that's probably a little more modest spread actually than maybe in some prior years or in some prior periods. And that probably reflects a little bit of what you're talking about in terms of, you know, the mix.
And there is an element of mix, but if you kind of look at where we are from a.
From our issuance outlook.
Our revenue growth outlook is probably a little more modest spread actually then maybe in some prior years or in some prior periods and that that probably reflects a little bit of what you are talking about in terms of.
The mix.
Okay.
Maybe switching gears to M&A here.
Speaker 14: Maybe switching gears to MA here. If I look at slide 11 and 13, you guys tend to talk about the MA.
If I look at slide 11, and 13, you guys talk about the MA business in terms of the end markets like what's driving growth from an end market perspective, but it's not the way you.
Speaker 14: terms of the end markets, like what's driving growth from an end market perspective, but it's not the way you...
Tend to disclose the data so just curious.
Speaker 14: tend to disclose the data. So just curious, are there any plans here to maybe give us?
Are there any plans here to maybe give us more data on that.
Helps understand end market growth just to just to better understand sort of what's what's driving growth or potentially better model long term.
Speaker 14: helps understand end market growth, just to better understand sort of what's driving growth and especially better models of long term.
How does business evolves.
Speaker 4: Christian, I'll take this maybe from a slightly different perspective. So, in addition to the medium-term targets that we announced today, in 2022, we intend to refresh the line of business reporting breakout for MA revenue.
Christian I'll add takes us maybe from a slightly different perspective. In addition to the medium term targets that we announced today.
In 2022, we intend to refresh the line of business reporting breakout for EMEA revenue too.
Speaker 4: to address some of the investor feedback that we've heard and the comments that you've just made around the need for greater insight into the business's performance. This is going to be a topic we're planning to cover as part of Investor Day materials, that at a high level, the lines of business we're considering adopting for MA include data and information, research.
To address some of the investor feedback that we've heard.
And the comments that you just made around the need for greater insight into.
Into the businesses performance. This is going to be a topic will tend to cover as part of Investor day materials, but at a high level. The lines of business were considering adopting for MAA include data and information research and insights and a decision solutions subsegment and you could think about the data and information is being.
Speaker 4: and a decision solution sub-segment. And you could think about data and information as being comprised of the vast and unmatched data states that we have on economies, companies, commercial properties, and financial securities.
Prized of the vast and unmatched datasets that we have on economies.
<unk> commercial properties and financial Securities you could think about research and insights as providing customers with market, leading modeling and risk, scoring as well as expert insights and commentary and then decision solutions combining those components from our data and information and research and insights lines of business.
Speaker 4: You could think about research and insights as providing customers with market-leading modeling and risk scoring, as well as expert insights and commentary. Decision solutions, then, is combining those components from our data and information and research and insights lines of business.
Speaker 4: for the purpose of integrating those capabilities through software and workflow solutions. So again, a topic we plan to cover at investor today, once you finalize approach, but certainly something we're thinking about. Yeah, and Christian, one other thing to add, I think we'll be able to give you some insights into how we think about the growth.
For the purpose of integrating those capabilities through software and workflow solutions. So again, a topic we plan to cover at Investor Day. Once you finalize approach, but certainly something we're thinking about then Christian one other thing to add I think we will be able to give you. Some insights into how we think about the growth in those underlying markets that we serve at Investor day. So.
Speaker 3: in those underlying markets that we serve at Investor Day, so I think that's going to guarantee that you're going to be attending. Yeah, if I can throw my two cents in here. I appreciate the way you talked about us closing it.
I think thats going to guarantee that you're going to be attending.
Yeah, and if I can throw my two cents here.
I appreciate it.
You talked about disclosing it would also be helpful. Just to get consistent look at the end markets as walk us how you talk about addressable markets. That's how you talk about growth.
Speaker 14: just to get consistent look at the end markets as well because that's how you talk about addressable markets, that's how you talk about growth, and it just feels like that's an easier way at least for us to think about.
And it just feels like that's a it's an easier way at least for us to think about.
Speaker 14: of the business, you know, what's KYC growing? What's the revenue today, how it's growing, et cetera. So just my two cents in terms of, as you think about disclosures. Thank you.
Potential of the business, what's the <unk>, what's the revenue today, how it's growing et cetera. So just my two cents in terms of as you think about disclosures. Thank you.
Yeah, that's great feedback Christian.
And with that that does conclude our question and answer session I would now like to turn to Rob fauber for additional or closing remarks.
Speaker 1: And with that, that does conclude our question and answer session. I would now like to return to the rub-bubber for additional or closing remarks.
Well. Thank you. Thank you everybody for joining today's call and we look forward to speaking with you at Investor Day on March 10th in with that.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, everybody, for joining today's call. And we look forward to speaking with you at Investor Day on March 10th. And with that, I think we'll bring the call to a close.
I think we'll bring the call to a close.
Speaker 1: And this concludes Moody's fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings call. As a reminder, immediately following this call, the company will post the MIS Revenue Breakdown under the investor resources section of the Moody's IR homepage. Additionally, a replay of this call will be available after 3.30 PM Eastern Time on Moody's IR website. Thank you.
And this concludes Moody's fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings call. As a reminder, immediately following this call the company will post the mis revenue breakdown under that inverse.
Resources section of the Moody's IR homepage. Additionally, a replay of this call will be available after 330 P. M. Eastern time on Moody's IR website. Thank you.
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Speaker 15: What.
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