Q1 2022 Boston Beer Company Inc Earnings Call

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Greetings and welcome to the Boston Beer Company's first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode.

Sure and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during todays conference. Please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded I would now like to turn this conference over to your host Mr. Mike Andrews Associate General Counsel and corporate Secretary. Thank you Sir you may begin.

Yeah.

Thank you good afternoon and welcome. This is Mike Andrews Associate General Counsel and corporate Secretary of the Boston Beer Company I am pleased to kick off our 2022 first quarter earnings call.

Joining the call from Boston Beer are Jim Cook, founder and Chairman, Dave Burwick, our CEO and Frank smaller our CFO .

Before we discuss our business I'll start with our disclaimer as we stated in our earnings release some of the information we discuss and that May come up on this call reflects the companys or managements expectations or predictions of the future such predictions are forward looking statements. It is important to note that the company's actual results could differ materially from those projected in the forward.

Looking statements.

Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the company's most recent 10-Q and 10-K.

The company does not undertake to publicly update forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information future events or otherwise.

I'll now pass it over to Jim for some introductory comments.

Thanks, Mike I'll begin my remarks. This afternoon with a few introductory comments and then I'll hand, it over to Dave who will provide an overview of our business. Dave will then turn the call over to Frank who will focus on the financial details of our first quarter results as well as our outlook for the remainder of 2022.

Immediately following Frank's comments, we'll open the line for questions.

As you May recall, our first quarter 2021, Depletions growth was 48% in shipments growth was 60%. So as we anticipated during our last earnings call. Our first quarter 2022, OE and performance based heavy comparative challenge our first quarter deplete.

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Flex both our own slow 2022 sorry.

And the decline in the overall beer market more particularly the decline reflects our internal supply chain issues that continued into 2022, but also the continuing broad scale supply chain issues and inflation that are affecting consumer purchases and the week.

Hard seltzer demand as the category lapped, 62% growth from the first quarter in 2021.

We continue to work through challenges with our supply chain and the impacts of the slowdown in hard seltzer.

Broadly across our portfolio, while adding new innovation the out of stock issues that negatively affected our first quarter performance and which we discussed at our last earnings call have improved during the quarter and wholesaler service and inventory levels gradually returning.

To more normal levels. Despite our depletions declined we gained dollar share in measured off premise channels from four nine to five 1% in the first quarter, the second largest share gain among the larger brewers.

We are thankful to our outstanding coworkers, our distributors and our retailers who continue to support our business, we have a strong ability to innovate and our broad portfolio of healthy brands and we continue to expect that our business will recover and grow volume between four and 10% for the full year.

Year in 2022, I will now pass it over to Dave for a more detailed overview of our business.

Thanks, Jim and good evening everybody.

Our 7% Q1, Depletions decline that headlines our earnings release has been seen has to be seen against our exceptional performance in the first quarter of 2021.

But it masks. The fact that our Q1 performance was in line with our internal targets for Depletions shipments and financials.

Jim mentioned, despite our Depletions declines we still gained dollar share of total beer, while our first quarter declines were not unexpected they are not reflective of the trends we see for the full year, we expect depletion and shipment volumes to improve both in absolute terms and against less difficult prior year volume comparisons and we also expect more.

Margins to increase as our supply chain performance slowly improves.

We continue to see the year delivering as we expected in February and are maintaining our full year guidance.

As we look towards the remainder of 2022 and beyond our aim is to get back to companywide mid single digit to double digit depletions growth driven by broad based growth across our entire portfolio of brands, especially as consumers drink more beyond beer products.

We continue to hold our number two position in beyond beer with a 24 and a half share driven by the number one F&B and twisted tea, the strong number too hard seltzer and truly and the number one hard cider and angry orchard.

Prior to 2022 truly outgrew the hard seltzer category for 17 straight months ending in December 2021. It grew depletions by 27% for the full year 2021 and gained almost four volume share points. However, in the first quarter of 2022 truly declined 15% in volume and 10.

Percent in dollar sales in measured off premise channels and loss share.

Negative results were due to the early out of stocks, we discussed at our last earnings call and the comparisons with truly significant volume growth of 109% in measured off premise channels in the first quarter of 2021, while truly lost about two share points versus year ago in the first quarter of 2022, it's week to week. So.

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Also based on current feedback from our off premise customers. We believe that truly share of space will increase in 2022 from about 23% to 26% of the hard Seltzer category.

Despite hard seltzer dollar sales declining by 3% in the first quarter of 2022 and measured off premise channels. We believe heart Celsis will remain an important beer industry category in the future to maintain a large consumer base with 29% household penetration over the last 52 weeks and they were nine three.

Percentage of total beer dollars in the first quarter of 2022 equal to a year ago.

And according to numerator hard Seltzer is are still net sourcing volume from 19 of the top 20 beverage alcohol categories with only a slight loss to RTD can't cocktails numerator data also shows that only 2% of lapsed hard seltzer shoppers purchase RTD canned cocktails in Q.

One, indicating that RTD spirits or not taking much share from hard seltzer.

Lastly, we see consumer attitudes remaining quite positive overall consumer sentiment is measured by online organic conversation is strong as the volume of positive conversations was two times that of negative ones in the first quarter of 2022.

As we look at our forecast for hard Seltzer category growth for the year, we're holding to the scenario previously discussed that puts category volume growth between flat to plus 10%.

Remember, we're lapping 62% category volume growth in measured channels from the from the first quarter of 2021 and as overlap sees hard Seltzer grew only 5% in the last three quarters of 2021, we expect to see hartzell should growth rebound to positive.

However, full clarity will probably not increase until we start to lap.

July 2021, when the category growth started to decelerate rapidly, especially in the two year volume stack rigs.

Regardless of where the category growth settles in 2022, our goal is to outgrow the category for the full year.

Driven by innovation continued brand building and superior distributor support and retail execution.

Our confidence that we can outgrow the category is supported by our ability to innovate.

Our new truly Margarita is the most successful new product launch thus far in 2022.

It's the number one new SKU in all of beer with a $4 six volume share and a $4 $4 share of hard seltzer it measured off premise channels year to date.

Truly Margarita also has the highest repeat rate efforts first 13 weeks of any new entrant ever in hard Seltzer Accordingly numerator.

Truly remains a healthy brand and our trends will improve later in the year as innovations take hold and overlaps get much easier.

We're excited about the truly poolside variety pack, which is launching next month as well as our planned promotional activity around the dual deep mature and are neutral and media campaign do it for the flavor, which launched late in the first quarter.

In addition to truly Margarita and the truly pool side some are offering.

We're announcing today that later in the summer, we will launch truly butka seltzer, a new ready to drink Seltzer with 110 calories and 5% ABV, which we believe will effectively compete in the high end of the hard Seltzer category.

Also truly flavored vodka, a bottle of vodka that recently launched <unk> beam Suntory partnership is generating strong marketplace excitement and social media Buzz.

We believe this validates our decision to offer the truly vodka seltzer RTD as a complementary companion to our truly hard seltzer business, having a broad based platform as a traditional spirits brand via beams distribution network and is an RTD that rolls through our own beer distributors provides the brand broad reach and a compare.

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Despite service level issues that continued into the first quarter twisted tea expanded its position as the number one F&B and grew double digits measured off premise channels is the fastest growing brand among the top 20 brands in the first quarter at 15% volume growth and 20% dollar growth.

In fact twisted tea has been the fastest growing brand among the top 20 and all of beer for the past seven straight months.

This is despite many competitive offerings entering the market and is a testament to the brand strong following in the upside that remains as we close distribution gaps across the country.

Just on his performance and historical under spacing, we expect that twisted tea in 2022, we'll be increasing that space by approximately 13% in both large and small format stores an increase in points of distribution by approximately 19% in large format and 67% and small format.

We are now advertising the brand year round to increase brand awareness and recently launched new summer theme media spots earlier this month, featuring real fans, having real fund and the latest iteration of the brand's T dropped campaign.

In the first quarter, our Samuel Adams brand has strong seasonal performance driven by cold snap overall, the Sam Adams brand Depletions in the first quarter were flat, which allowed the brand to continue to gain share in a slowing market for craft beer supported by the your cousin from Boston AD campaign, and our successful Super Bowl spot featuring the robots.

Boston dynamics, which placed number one on the system one list of best Super Bowl commercials. This year and received 2 billion earned media impressions and more than $18 million.

Equivalency, we expect the Sam Adams brand will consistently gained share in the coming months.

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Total dogfish head brand Depletions in the first quarter declined against a difficult beer market.

However, our expanded lineup of award winning dogfish head can't cocktails, including the new vodka and gin crushed styles embark heart variety pack grew triple digits in the first quarter off a relatively small base.

In the first three states, where it's been launched hard mountain Dew is showing significant promise for the 27 share of F&B and measured off premise channels, where it's distributed in those markets. We recently added two additional states and we will continue to roll the brand out to approximately 13, new states over the next several months.

In early 2022, we have out of stocks on certain brands and packages as our supply chain was not flexible enough to react to changes in demand.

We believe we have the capacity in place and are resolving these issues quickly and during the course of the first quarter.

Inventory levels and reduced our out of stocks.

We also added more west coast capacity for the Trulia brand that will continue to ramp up over the summer and improved service levels for our west coast customers. Our cost continued to be negatively impacted by inflation pressures, but despite these impacts we believe our margins will show improvement during the year as our supply chain performance continues to get better.

Our depletion and shipment trends for the first 16 weeks of 2022 have declined 6% and 23% respectively from the comparable period in 2021.

Due primarily to the extremely strong 2021 should we shipments and depletions in the first quarter of 2022 out of stocks.

We believe our plan to increase our number two position in beyond <unk> on track as our highly relevant portfolio of brands and strong innovation pipeline is well situated to address consumers' changing preferences, our challenge is execution and achieving the portfolio's potential as we enter the summer selling season.

Now I'm going to hand, it over to Frank to discuss first quarter financials as well as our outlook for the remainder of 2022 alright.

Alright. Thank you Dave Good afternoon, everyone for the first quarter, we reported a net loss of $2 million or <unk> <unk> per diluted share compared to a net income of $65 6 million or $5 26 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2021.

This change between periods was primarily driven by lower net revenue and lower gross margins.

Although operating expenses of $175 1 million in the first quarter of 2022 increased one 2% from the prior year.

Depletions for the quarter decreased 7% from the prior year, reflecting decreases in our truly hard seltzer angry orchard and dogfish head brands, partially offset by increases in our twisted tea brand.

Samuel Adams brand depletion volume was roughly equal in both periods.

Shipment volume for the quarter was approximately $1 7 million barrels a 25% decrease from the prior year due to lower Depletions continued inventory level of normalization and the lapping of the 2021 inventory pre build reflecting decreases in our truly hard seltzer twisted tea angry Orchard and dogfish head brands partially is.

Set by increases in our Samuel Adams brand.

We believe distributor inventory as of March 26, 2020 to average approximately five weeks on hand and was at an appropriate level for each of our brands.

We expect distributors will keep inventory levels below 2021 levels in terms of weeks on hand, as the need for peak season inventory pre builds is greatly reduced due to our increased production capacity.

Our first quarter 2022 gross margin of 42% decrease from the 45, 8% margin realized in the first quarter of 2021, primarily due to higher supply chain costs and higher material cost, partially offset by price increases.

Advertising promotional and selling expenses for the first quarter of 2022 decreased $10 2 million or seven 3% when the first quarter of 2021, primarily due to a net decrease in brand investments of $9 4 million, mainly driven by lower media costs, partially offset by higher investments in local marketing and.

Decreased freight to distributors over the $8 million.

Primarily due to lower volumes that were partially offset by higher rates.

General and administrative expenses increased by $7 8 million or 24, 3% from the first quarter of 2021.

Primarily due to increased salaries and benefits costs and increases in services provided by third parties.

We recorded an expense of $4 8 million and contract termination costs in the first quarter of 2022, resulting from further negotiations with suppliers that eliminated future shortfall fees.

Based on information of which we're currently aware we continue to target full year 2022 earnings per diluted share of between $11 and $16.

Our actual results could vary significantly from this target. This projection excludes the impact of ASU 2016, <unk> nine and is highly sensitive to changes in volume projections, particularly related to the hard seltzer category and supply chain performance as well as inflationary impacts that have accelerated since we provided our last guy.

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The 2022 fiscal year includes 53 weeks compared to the 2021 fiscal year, which included only 52 weeks.

Year, 2022, Depletions and shipments growth is estimated to be between 4% and 10% in the first quarter total depletions declined 7% compared to the first quarter of 2021 and increased 38% compared to the first quarter of 2020.

In order to achieve the midpoint of our Depletions range, we're estimating depletions for the remainder of the year will increased 10% compared to the last nine months of 2021 and increased 29% compared to the last nine months of 2020.

We project increases in revenue per barrel up between 3% and 5% full year 2022 gross margins are expected to be between 45% and 48%.

Our full year 2022 investments in advertising promotional and selling expenses are expected to increase between zero and $20 million.

This does not include any increases in freight costs for the shipment of product store distributors.

We estimate our full year 2022, non-GAAP effective tax rate to be approximately 26%, excluding the impact of ASU 2016, industrial or not we're not able to provide forward guidance on the impact of ASU 2016, industrial online will have on our 2022 financial statements and full year effective tax rate as this will remain.

Really depend upon unpredictable future events, including the timing and value realized upon exercise of stock options versus the fair value when those options were granted.

We're continuing to evaluate 2022 capital expenditures and currently estimate investments of between $140 million and $190 million.

The capital will be mostly spent on continued investments in our.

Breweries and could be higher as deemed necessary to meet future growth, we expect that our cash balance of $15 8 million as of March 26, 2022, along with our future operating cash flow and unused line of credit of $135 million will be sufficient to fund future cash requirements.

We will now open up the call for questions.

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The Star Keys, one moment, while we poll for questions.

First question comes from the line of Nadine sorry, what with Bernstein. You May proceed with your question.

Hi, everybody. Thank you for taking my question I'd like to zoom in on that gross margin.

Can you provide some color on the higher supply chain costs that you faced in Q1, and then thinking longer term what gives you confidence that the supply chain performance will improve enough during the year to meet your gross margin guidance.

Okay.

This Frank let me, let me speak to the gross margin clearly the gross margin that just over 40% in the first quarter was lower than what we had as a target of 45 to 48 and Theyre very clear drivers.

Wed indicated Q1 will be a difficult quarter, because we still have some hangover.

From the 2021 events.

Really really high stock level.

The category slowdown.

And that manifests itself in lower absorption.

We have lower volume going through the breweries.

Scrap that is higher.

Because of the supply chain is still little clogged up.

We're making progress in bringing this all down and then higher warehousing costs.

And then we had like.

An unfavorable mix also between products. So when you look at our inventory.

Had a high level of inventory, but there was a combination of.

S. Skus that we had too much in other skus, where we didn't have enough.

And you combine combine that with our.

Supply chain difficulties that we had that just resulted in.

The higher costs, we also had some.

Temporary some higher freight costs for some material deliveries.

We have to bring in in the first quarter and.

Subsided in the remaining quarters and then also the.

Structural supply chain cost improvements that we're working on they have been a little bit delayed because we were focused on.

On the cleanup of.

The events from 2021, so they are coming but they are coming a little later.

Our west coast facility, while still relatively close to our internal costs. So the variety pack cost, we will incur going forward will be on.

Leverage significantly lower than what we had incurred.

In the first quarter. So and then we will have further supply chain cost.

Initiatives that are driving cost down during the remainder of the year.

A little bit.

Imbalance between Q1, and the remainder of the year.

Understood. So would it be fair to say that you still believe you can hit guidance based purely on initiatives that are in your control as opposed to.

More favorable input costs later in the year.

Yes that is fair I mean, we will.

As everybody else, we have higher input costs, clearly compared to what we had in the.

In the last earnings call, but we're managing those and that should not significant at least at this point, we don't see that this is significantly impacting our overall margin.

So yes, it's the it's the activities that are under our control that should improve the supply chain cost and that such that gross margin.

Understood. Thank you I'll pass it over.

Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Grundy with Jefferies. You May proceed with your question.

Thanks, Good evening everyone.

Two questions from me if I could the first.

Dave just on the on premise.

Maybe talk a little bit about how that channel is recovering maybe you can sort of give us some guideposts for where your on premise business is currently versus pre pandemic levels and then maybe something we haven't talked about but was certainly an area of a lot of interest I would say last year was the development of hard seltzer.

In the on premise channel and what that opportunity was maybe you could just spend a moment on that and how much time. The organization is focusing on on that development and then I have a follow up for Frank Thanks.

Sure thing Hey, Kevin So I think.

It started in the first quarter was a very good quarter for on premise. So.

I'm not sure we don't break it out specifically, but it was it was.

If you look at the with the periods. Two says it was like in the thirties for across the industry. We're I'd say, we're north of that so.

Remember this first quarter was the last kind of free free pass for on premise, where there are overlaps were pretty good from a year ago, but it has come back as I mentioned earlier.

Earlier.

If you look at the off premise trends for Sam Adams.

And the Orchard, it's very different when you look at the total the total volume and certainly on premise is contributing significantly. So it is coming back if you look at all of the on premise share and again I'll quote the pie. If you look at the onset of a share of total traditionally pre COVID-19 . It was around 16% and right now it is hovering around 13%. So this year has.

Shifted down to the question is whether we will know the summer if it really comes back to the historical level, but we are we're definitely seeing growth in on premise.

Across the board.

Pretty strongly in the first quarter as it relates to truly.

I'm truly is hanging in there I mean, we've got first of all we have about let's talk draft first with about 4200.

<unk> placements for truly draft sales per point in the first quarter was up 35%, it's pulling at the same rate as Boston Lager. So we're seeing a nice.

Nice activity there is still only about 12% of the total on premise the rest of our cans and so.

It's in about 250, Buffalo Wild wings.

Committed through the end of the year. So we'll have to wait and see how it goes but there is no question our sales organization is.

Is selling and we're selling we're selling draft placements, where we're selling cans.

Fact, I think we're only the real like the most legitimate national provider of draft for hard Seltzer and again the volume is there. So we're going to we're looking at that and it's just it's one component of the total growth for truly it's certainly something that we're we haven't we haven't put a cast aside we think theres opportunity there.

Okay.

On the guidance your expectation day before if I recall was flat to up 10% for the Seltzer category is that still your working expectation for the year.

Yeah.

That is that is the expectation we are saying.

Zero to 10% for the for the category and think of it this way to think of it as probably low single, maybe low single digits on the volume side high single digits on the dollar side, but we still think it's fair to say it's in that range.

Remember does that mean.

Couple of reasons why.

The overlap for the Q1 of year ago was 62% for the category, it's only 5% for the balance of the year. So obviously, we talked about it before.

The overlaps are pretty a pretty extreme the penetration base is still very high. So we've seen the penetration rates have fallen off a bit in the first quarter, but it's still higher than craft beer about the same as F&B. So theres a large base of consumers that are still interested in buying the category and still hard seltzer provides sort of the.

Yes.

<unk> ability to low calories the flavor variety that consumers are looking for that other categories arent, providing so.

Last thing I'd say is that the space is.

From what we know now the space for the category is pretty much held its pretty much held up.

Up just slightly I think the number the number of Skus is probably not going to decrease right away, but the number of brands is so youre going to have fewer brands. The same number of skus and about the same amount of space you have bigger brands.

Some innovation coming in from across the board people investing so we think for.

For now given these overlaps and given the oddity of Q1 sticking to zero to 10 mixed makes sense to us.

Thanks, just one more if I can then ill pass it on so frankly my question is on the cost structure. So it's not just cost of goods, but but opex.

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And it just.

Is the company appropriately size now for what's materially lower growth than what you experienced when you were really chasing seltzer. So we've seen this with other businesses and staples understandably.

The fixed cost structure, just may not be appropriate for what is sort of a new normal level of growth. So you've talked about the opportunity for this to be a low to mid 50 sort of gross margin business.

I'm, assuming there's some level of productivity savings and cost cutting involved there but even.

Across the other lines in SG&A do you feel comfortable with where the current cost structure is for the new growth outlook for the business, if not where are those opportunities and when would investors expect to see those benefits and I'll pass it on thank you.

Yes.

So Kevin clearly, we've talked about the cost structure operating expenses as a focus for us.

We have added.

A few.

People in as we have grown.

And our operating expenses have grown.

Our <unk> investments.

And also our G&A expenses.

I think we're broadly at the right level, we have stopped up the functions that we needed to staff up who are lagging a little bit I think we had the right level.

We do expect to get leverage.

As we as we keep on growing the company.

And we've seen leverage it's hard to compare versus 21% or 2020, I think the last really somewhat normal year was 2019, but we clearly get leverage there we expect to that leverage to continue.

There is also as we are working on supply chain transformation, which actually were looking at it as a bigger business transformation.

That will.

Help us run the company also more efficiently more effectively and that will also support getting leverage out of the cost and that you should see in the EBIT margin.

Okay. Thanks for all the time guys.

Alright.

Our next question comes from the line of Vivien <unk> with Cowen You May proceed with your question.

Hi, good afternoon.

Yes.

Hey, good morning.

Hey, guys.

And on the shelf with expansion, probably makes sense that yourself base could go from 20% to 26%.

How much of a contributor is that.

Here full year top line guidance.

Well, it's certainly an enabler to get our innovation on the shelf and get and be where we need to be it's hard to quantify.

And from 20% to 26% and putting that to what the what the volume is will be growth for truly relative to the total to total.

Portfolio, but it's certainly it's important because one thing I will say is that.

We get.

Last year, we finished the year with the second highest penetration rate of any brand in beer next to Bud light, So which means we have there is a large willing group of truly consumers who are looking for for innovation from us and having the extra shelf space is really important to get it out there permanently on the shelf. So they can so they can find it. So it's also I would argue.

Result of of our past performance that retailers are rewarding us with more space because not everybody is getting more space just had the category.

Seltzer categories relatively is basically flat versus year ago, one of the one of the few gainers in space.

Absolutely that makes sense.

Penetration, but household penetration now you cited the 29% household penetration metric, which remains encouraging and to your point the comps are going to get a lot easier as we get to 2020 Q I'm curious have you been monitoring that household penetration with a fair amount of regularity.

Steve can you do you have any observations on kind of the longitudinal trends that you've seen there how would that 29% compared to a year ago any incremental color would be helpful. Thank you.

Sure thing I mean, we look at it we use numerator data generally because it's available pretty pretty frequently to us so that 29% that I quoted is the latest 52 weeks. So that will be Q2 of 2021 through Q1 of 2022.

Last year for the calendar year last year was also a 29%. If you if you want to look at it as I recall the numbers in front of me, but for the first three quarters of last year. It grew about 8%. It did it did start to slow in the fourth quarter of last year I think it was minus 2%.

The first quarter this year, probably more like minus 8% for <unk>.

Just for that quarter that was a lot of things going on in that quarter and but it has its not go into the right direction.

But again, we think I think it's a little early to call. It on where that's going to end up we got to see where things come in the next quarter are important.

In particular also is by the way the buy rates are going up and the repeat rates are still going up so it's generally holding ground. It's also <unk>.

We look at in addition to the household penetration, we look at sort of consumer sentiment I think I referenced it in the in my script, but if you look at it I mean people are still out there organic mentioned are positive.

Two to one to negative comments. So if you add them all up there's still interest there. It's a large base again, we set the same size as F&B.

And it is we will see where it goes over the next few quarters.

Understood I'll just squeeze in one last quick one I apologize if I if I missed it in the prepared remarks.

The bank of Hawaii.

You guys just announced today, how is that different from the beam Suntory partnership.

Yes, sure thing I see so the beam Suntory, one is basically full bottle.

Sure.

Bakken and bottles like one liter bottles et cetera.

That they are that they are selling through their distribution network so to their distributors and launched about a month or so ago and we call. It it's called truly flavored vodka.

Three different flavors and.

That's sort of at their domains in there.

They are basically selling that product, we're going to we're going to create an RTD. So it's going to be basically think of it as slim cans would you would expect some can RTD blocker seltzer product under the truly name that we'll see in a way to think of it as a companion to that to that bucket products.

Similar probably similar consumer different occasions I'd say.

The backup the bottle blocker product and definitely different definitely different consumers in a truly seltzer drinker, it's going to be if you look at.

If you look at brands like high noon, which arguably is not is more of a <unk>.

Hard seltzer than it is a traditional RGD can't cocktail the consumer tends to be over half of the consumers are 45 plus for perspective.

Female SKU African American skew higher income you've looked at hard seltzer half of the consumers are 20% to 34. So we see there's a window here. There is a place to go with truly truly Fokker seltzer at the high end of hard seltzer with a different consumer we have traditional truly hard seltzer and then we hit the bottom.

<unk> block out there as well and we think together that work really well.

So they truly Banca smelter will have vodka.

I'm sorry, we have one vodka, yes, yes, I'm, sorry, I'm very sorry.

So there's truly truly voka seltzer will be with Barca, yes.

That's where we're going to launch.

Summer Yep.

Thank you.

Sure thing.

Our next question comes from the line of Gamal Garden Waller with Credit Suisse. You May proceed with your question.

Can we maybe if you could drill down a little bit more on your your confidence that things will turn.

Turnaround from where you where you are year to date.

And you can kind of confirm your guidance, maybe it's the exit rate on the.

The quarter itself I know you gave a year to date April number maybe you can give us just April itself, maybe it's just comps, but just maybe a little bit more color there on.

Why do you expect from everything too.

Kind of things to sort of turnaround.

Yes.

This is Ryan let me just start with a with a pure numbers, if we look at Depletions and shipments.

And the way I think you have to look at the quarter and as Dave indicated in his remarks is you have to see that.

In light of last year's Q1.

Where shipments grew 60% depletion is 48% everybody was fully behind the hard seltzer growth.

Across all channels and.

Across all parts of the Genesis of the retailers were building the wholesalers we're building.

So there was a lot of.

Pipeline building.

If you will so so.

Against that we're down seven 7%.

And we need to grow going forward, we need to grow like 10.

And a 11% to hit like the.

Mid point of our range, if you compare that to the two.

2020, so if you look at the two year stack.

We use quite a bit.

We've grown.

Versus Q1 in 2020, we've grown 38% and the year to go would only be has to grow 29%.

So that kind of gives you a little perspective, just just from the pure numbers. If you if you look at the.

If you look at the two year stack.

Shipments is a very similar story because we also had.

And it's a little bit more pronounced because we're pre building the numbers, we're pre building a lot of inventory in the first half of the year.

Q1 shipments were up 60%.

If you look at the first half they were up 41%.

And so we produce significantly more than the first half we have more inventory there.

Category slowdown happened in the middle of the year, we're left with the inventory because we basically.

Didn't ship a lot anymore and didn't produce a lot of it was Q4 was down 25% versus the previous year. So if you just look at.

We were going for me from a year were prebuilt first and then will.

Reducing our inventory to a more normalized flow that's why Q1.

Was a little bit of an aberration, but those are purely the numbers, but thats one side of it and Dave will talk a little bit more like to the programs that we have and that we feel gives us confidence from a business perspective.

I'll just pick it up just to add to add to what Frank said Camille.

Let's just look at we've got a lot of innovation a lot of activity coming starting right now so truly Margaret is out there we referenced it from what we can tell it's about 60% incremental the repeat rates as I mentioned that they haven't been repeat rates in the first quarter.

Order for any brand in hard Seltzer as high as Margarita, it's higher than eliminate its higher than fruit punch.

So that's we think that's on a good trajectory then we're coming in with pool side, which is which will take us through the summer, which is which is an <unk> for the summer that we feel good about and based on what we've seen we think we're going to have better execution that we did for fruit punch last summer.

And as I referenced we've got still on the truly front, we embark a seltzer coming.

In late summer and likely more news in the fall all supported by a more space space gains that we're getting behind the brand. Then you have the brand overlay with Lipa and all of the advertising investments. So there's a lot ahead of us for truly that we'll be facing the lower the smaller overlaps but also just a lot of absolute act.

<unk> behind truly then you have twisted tea, which I know, we don't talk very much about twisted tea is also a big gain or as I mentioned in my opening remarks from the space perspective twisted tea is always it's always been in People's minds kind of his regional just regional brand. We're now I'd say its having its day in the Sun and we have we're driving distribution on.

Particularly on <unk>, we now have a national footprint for 12 packs for twisted tea. So we can start getting national retailer support and promotions behind it which we've never had before.

We also launched twisted tea light is out there we've got a huge campaign around convenience stores, we have a joint promotion with doritos as part of our Pepsico relationships. So theres a lot of activity behind truly hasnt, even really begun yet that's going to start hitting in the summer then there is hard to do.

And hard to as I mentioned is only it's in three states, Iowa, we're really for about a month, Iowa, Tennessee and Florida.

And it's a 2007 share of F&B as an intern in about seven to eight times the size of the next largest F&B in those states. So I'll say this with confidence as the highest trials I've ever seen ever ever in any in any.

Anything that I've ever been involved in personally know that the repeat is obviously the key is a key part of it and we're going to roll. So we're going to roll from those where now we added the Arkansas and Oklahoma, Minnesota is coming next week. So we're going to gradually roll to about 15 states before the end of the summer. So just the three the big three are truly twisted tea and hard to it's really not even begun to impac.

Our business and I'll also add to that Dr. Fish I can't cocktails, we talked about canned cocktails.

It's obviously, an ascending category is still pretty small, but one six maybe one seventh of hard seltzer, but it's growing as we all know and dogfish head has a terrific.

Lineup of flavors and products.

We're making a big push on that this summer Thats, just beginning right now and the last thing I'll say is if you look at your angry Orchard and Sam Adams, I've always kind of been a drag on the total.

<unk> seen enough momentum in those two businesses over the last 12 plus months. So we feel pretty confident that won't be a drag in <unk>.

And it might even be contributors Sam Adams.

And we worked through TBD. So you added up over the next four or five months Theres a lot of a lot coming and we're just getting really the year as far as I'm concerned is just getting going rate right now.

And I know Jim might have Jim might have something to say on top of what Frank Frank and I'd just add just maybe more about the quote we live in an unusual world right now I'll, let Jim kind of maybe comment on that.

Okay.

Yes sure.

I think I would.

And you've got three different voices.

I would support.

So optimism, but I think one has to be.

Realistic.

On a couple of dimensions.

One is just.

The headwinds that are facing.

All consumer products companies.

Obviously, the geopolitical problems.

The economy is kind of wobbling now.

And inflation is at.

Extraordinarily high levels. So those are just unpredictable things, but they are things that are you.

More negative now than they were when we did our last earnings call in.

And more negative than we set our guidance of 4% to 10% so.

That does.

We still believe that's the right range.

Maybe a little less optimistic about hitting the very top of it just because of these headwinds and we certainly are encouraged by some very strong trends.

Yes.

In distribution for truly.

And in hard mountain Dew, but that's it.

Again that is.

It's got really.

<unk> numbers, but we're talking about three states.

A couple of months into a rollout of a.

Very strong and powerful brand that I think we all were pretty comfortable would get a lot of trial and the jury is still out about.

What the demand is going to look like.

Three six months.

The rollout when we're beyond the trial curve. So there is I think what.

Saying is.

We still very.

I strongly believe that range of 4% to 10% is the right range.

If we were at the midpoint of that in February where may be.

Still in that range, but maybe not quite as high just because of.

The very broad base geopolitical and economic trends, it's a little bit more unstable world than it was in.

The 20th of February .

That's useful thank you and if I could follow up on Sam Adams specifically.

David It was towards the end of your comments I can't quite remember the last time it was flat.

Flat or up obviously, it's flat.

At this juncture I know you talked about the marketing and stuff, but can you maybe talk about what you're seeing in craft as an industry I believe some of the struggles for Sam over the years has been the fragmentation and the increased competition competition a mix of other sorts of things are we.

Potentially on the other side of it after.

Almost eight years a decade.

Or do you do you pointed to more than two.

Perhaps just a successive marketing.

I would say Theres no better.

So there is no better person in the world and Jim to talk about that.

Yeah, I mean, I think your formulation of we're at the fragmentation is kind of done it's not getting more fragmented so.

That headwind.

Headwind is kind of abated.

It is where it is we haven't.

Some 9000 breweries in the United States, So you'll have an extremely competitive market.

Innovation is much harder and craft when you have 9000 people looking for the next.

Big thing.

Any successful innovation immediately.

1000.

Duplicate out there.

I think what.

Is contributing to.

We're pretty much stable in a declining craft market craft is now a mature industry.

It's a sizable piece of the beer business here in the United States.

And.

It appears to have roughly found its level and so.

In that kind of situation it begins to be.

Sort of.

Grind it out battle, where.

The competitors that.

The most and best resources and talent and products can slowly begin to gain share in this.

More mature stable.

Maybe slightly growing maybe not.

Over the last few years.

We have all of the benefits of.

The largest player in.

In terms of scale retailer.

Appreciation wholesalers.

Wholesale or support and we can do things that are not available to many of our.

Kraft colleagues like have Super Bowl AD that gets 2 billion impressions or.

Alike.

Uh huh.

National presence.

Are you able to go to the.

The national chains and get drag.

<unk> distribution all across the country. So.

My sense.

Whats behind us beginning to gain share at least is just these are.

Advantages of 30, some years of doing this having.

Rone.

Leading craft brewer.

And the scale that we bring with that in a broad based consumer retailer and wholesaler acceptance and support.

Awesome. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Rob <unk> with Evercore. You May proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks, Greg.

Great. Thank you very much couple of questions.

First you talked a bit earlier on about the on premise coming back.

And but that was more in terms of the overall market can you talk can you give us any metrics.

In terms of how your on premise business is doing maybe the number of tap handles versus 2019 or whatever metrics. You think are relevant as you assess your recovery in that channel and then maybe perhaps tied to that.

Any changes in strategy approaching that channel that youre, putting in this year that may be different than the past.

Yeah.

Sure thing Rob Jim do you want to jump on that you want me to start it.

Once you go ahead with it.

Because I think let me sure I'll start because I think first of all we're seeing across the board trend improvements for all of our core brands in Q1, So I referenced.

The beer Institute had 31% growth in on premise for.

For the first quarter for the industry were.

By 50% more than that so while we're high 40, so we're so.

So we're going to we're seeing that we're seeing it we're seeing points, obviously points of distribution being regained but also seen sales per point, increasing as well so in.

Particularly for brands like angry Orchard, where that sort of angry orchard crisp one on draft is a really important one for us.

Sam seasonal Boston Lager et cetera. So in Q1, it's been a very good start for us.

And as I mentioned for truly we're just not quite sure where truly on drops goes but it seems to be doing.

It's kind of ebbing and flowing but it's on it's on the uptick right now, particularly sales per point, which I mentioned before and I'll say truly cans are doing well I think it's just we do have and Jim can speak to it because he created it we do have a terrific sales we're going to on premise sales organization they've been in hibernation, a little bit against their will.

During during Covid in there and we're out selling aggressively we're out selling.

We have we have a really good lineup I think another the next frontier might also be beyond beer.

And on premise, so we talked about seltzer.

Twisted tea I think it will be maybe three or 4% of <unk> volume is in on premise, but thats an opportunity for us as well to.

To pursue that and Theres a lot of customers interested in that so we're we have our selling shoes on and we're playing we're pushing that that channel heart.

And so far this year and remember the overlaps we fared the overlaps or I don't know exactly what they were a year ago, but they're there, they're probably kind to us given that things really didn't start to open up in on premise last year and she will say.

May or may or June .

And Robert I hope that answered the question.

Yes.

Youre gaining share right right now and that's great.

Mike.

How does your business.

Or your share or however, you measure it compare to what it would have been in 2019. So I mean did you did you lose more than average.

During COVID-19 .

I'm just trying to get a sense of where you are versus 2019.

Well I would say in terms of our percent of mix is still lower than it was in 2019, So we're probably still.

We're still below where we were in 2019, we fare which is probably where the where the industry is as well as I mentioned the industry is 16%.

Mix and.

Pre COVID-19 now its around 13, where we're below our mix from where we were and the question is really with.

No.

Changes nothing.

What's the new normal we've been waiting to find out what the new normal is for everything from hard seltzer to on premise for the last two years I think the summer will determine where we end up I would just say that we are in terms of the.

The climb back to where we were we liked it we like the trend that we're on we're not sure where it's going to end I think inflation is going to have an impact on on premise I mean, it's going to have a lingering impact on whether people go out to eat or not we're not quite sure where that's going to end up we're hopeful that it just.

The on premise channel, which is.

A critical channel for US continues to rebound and Jim I don't if you have any other broader thoughts on an on premise, but <unk> seen it from the beginning.

I guess I would say.

Yeah.

My guess is that.

Covid has changed abbott's.

Probably probably permanently I think I don't think the on premise is going to come back to the same levels that it was in 2019.

<unk>.

And partly because consumers change habits and partly because.

There are bars and restaurants.

That went out of business and.

They closed and they're probably not going to be all replaced so.

And what we've been seeing that in the data for a little while that.

The throughput per account.

Is back to where it was even even above it but there is maybe 20% fewer accounts.

So I don't think all of that 20% of lost accounts is going to come back and as a result.

I'm going to guess that we're not going to get to the 2019% of the business.

On premise most of the lost accounts will be the.

The smaller independent accounts.

Those are generally.

Favorable for craft beer for Sam Adams Ware.

A little stronger.

<unk>.

The bigger national accounts the multi.

Store accounts, so for us we may gain a little bit of draft share because of that mix shift within the account base.

Great and then one other question.

And that is in the non alcoholic beer space and call. It non alcoholic adult beverages, if you will in general.

That does seem to be one sector of the industry that is growing there is some some good products out there the technology seems to be better than than 10 years ago five years ago, you've got an entry love to get your thoughts on that.

How big that business can be what your research is telling you in terms of.

Bringing in new drinkers into your <unk>.

Your space or is it pretty much the same drinkers, but instead of having three or X number of alcoholic drinks they and.

And off of an M&A.

Just love to get your thoughts Jim on that sector.

Sure.

One of the things that I think is favorable to us in.

Similarly favorable to the entire beer businesses to the extent that.

NAA versions of traditional Alka.

Alcoholic beverages get traction.

Thats skews volume to non alcoholic beer.

None.

Non alcoholic beer.

It tastes like the real beer and it has a reason to exist.

Whereas I mean, what's the point of nonalcoholic vodka.

It's just that.

Non sequitur.

<unk> Springs.

Sure.

Youre not going to pay a lot of money for.

Uh huh.

A lot of the non alcoholic wines and spirits I mean, you just don't see.

Successful products in those categories, so it's going to to.

To the extent it gets consumer acceptance.

Our non alcoholic.

Substitute for traditional alcoholic beverage, it's going to be a non alcoholic beer.

How big it gets.

I really don't know.

Now, it's pretty small probably less than 1% of total beer I haven't really looked at the numbers.

And but it is kind of entering the mainstream a little bit more.

Particularly with younger drinkers, and a drink or.

Three four years ago M&A was.

Kind of things like duals.

That.

Didn't get a lot of attention didn't have.

A lot of.

We didn't really taste that great.

And they were primarily consumed by older drinkers.

Who ex alcoholics or.

Uh huh.

People that just didn't.

Didn't want to drink a real beer.

The demographic is and they were cheap and that's changed the growth is.

Is that the premium in with.

The products are quite good Heineken zero zero is it really.

Good tasting beer, we think same items, just the Hayes and Doug Pritchard Lemon quest.

And we know from blind tasting and with consumers.

They get rated just as high as the alcoholic version.

They originated from.

And theyre priced at.

At the same price as a craft beer or an important heinekens case. So this is an upscale occasion, it's an upscale drinker.

The old <unk>.

Beers and drinkers have been replaced by.

Younger drinkers with all the demographic and societal things of moderation drink alcohol, but still wanting to socialize.

Uh huh.

It's a new dynamic for NAV beer.

Your guess is as good as mine I mean, they are developed countries, where as you know any.

<unk> or <unk>.

Significant part of the volume up to 10% in some places.

In Europe , and three or four or five in places like Germany will they get there in the U S. I just don't know.

All I can say is we believe we have one of if not the best tasting entry in it we know from buying consumer tastes things that it matches the flavor of an alcoholic.

New England IPA.

It's just hard to know where it's going to go because brewers, you know, giving consumers choices.

And as with with quality.

<unk> and the brand that didn't exist. So it's hard to know with something that's a whole new option that didn't exist how big is it going to get and how fast.

Great. Thank you very much.

Our next question comes from the line of Steve Powers with Deutsche Bank. You May proceed with your question.

Hey, Thanks, guys.

Wanted to go back to gross margin.

I think that's it.

So hit your gross margin outlook, given given the revenue commentary you need to average somewhere around 46% for the remainder of the year to get to the low end of your full year gross margin guidance.

Im just looking for a little bit more help bridging from where <unk> landed to that to that.

<unk>, 46%.

<unk> for the balance of the year I know Frank in response to <unk> question at the beginning of the Q&A session you run through a number of things that held back the first quarter I don't know if you. If you back all of those things out you get the 46% or not.

One of my questions, but then even if they go forward I don't think your head is there anything and I think inflation is going to get worse. So I'm just trying to trying to bridge.

Just.

How to get more comfortable with with your ability to ratchet up to 46% or better for the balance of the year to hit the full year guide.

And as you can you can provide there would be super helpful.

Yes, So let me try.

We clearly at higher input cost, but we expect though those input costs to remain largely.

On the materials side.

We believe we can cover that with pricing which is largely.

What we did and what we did in Q1.

If you really look at what occurred.

Q1 it was.

Literally the hangover costs.

From the 2021 slower than we had significantly high inventories.

A bad mix of the inventory that means we need it.

Too much of some and we didn't have enough of the others.

So we had lower absorption we had some internal production capacity for the products that we need it was lower than what we will have another year to go. So we needed to go externally at a relatively high cost which was not the most efficient.

The warehousing costs if you.

Can't came on top of it.

If you look at all of that.

And you added back into the margin.

Get.

You get relatively close to the target margins that we see for the for the.

Look you will then see Q1 is also the smallest quarter that we have so.

While it was significantly below it.

Connecting a smaller portion of the overall volume.

As we go through the year, we'll add lower cost capacity in the lower cost capacity will primarily come.

In.

In terms of variety packs internal capacity, especially Ohio, where we have implemented.

The new can line in Devry Tech pack line.

That will increase efficiencies and.

Have significantly higher volume that we have ROE, which is relatively close our internal cost and we don't have any other variety pack cost.

That is higher.

And then we have the supply chain transformation initiatives, which would bring down no other costs on top of it. So those are essentially the key drivers holden's belief, we can we can get to the cost and then as I said before we had highest scrap costs as well in Q1.

Which naturally.

We were expecting that.

We have to work through the inventory that we still have on hand, and that should not repeat itself as well.

In the year to go.

Okay. That's helpful. That's helpful.

Just one.

Follow up on a separate point G&A.

G&A expense it came in.

Well about $7 million higher than we'd expected $7 million higher than last year is that.

You attributed to higher salaries and third party costs should we consider those structural at this point, so that $40 million a quarter is kind of the new run rate or is there something something in the first no. It makes it makes that extraordinary.

No it is.

It does.

Part of it.

About 40% that is onetime in nature.

And the rest of it is we have higher costs I mean, there is.

Coming out of Covid.

There are certain things.

Where the business is changing a little bit we have insurance costs move a couple of things that are just going up that we have to adjust and it is partly reflecting the growth of the business, but there is there is it relatively.

The component that is onetime in nature.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Alright.

Our next question comes from the line of Eric <unk> with Morgan Stanley You May proceed with your question.

Yeah. Thanks for fitting me in.

Dave wondering if you could just talk briefly about how youre thinking about managing the overall truly portfolio you guys have always had more skus and more variety packs then.

Then white claw.

Aric Margarita this year Youre, adding cool side.

Adding the box yourself there at the same time, we're seeing some of the legacy packs and even lemonade declining at rates that.

We saw for some competitive brands last year.

So you're going to take some shelf space, but how are you looking to manage the overall portfolio or are you considering some.

Some SKU rationalization.

Would it be better to have a narrower portfolio at this point.

Hey, Eric Thanks for the Chris Good question I think.

A couple of things here first.

We're going we're moving to more <unk> type work. So for example, the holiday pack last year was an <unk> that by all accounts wholesalers retailers. Our sales organization did quite well as you think about 50%, 50% incremental to the business. So it was and it was out pull side is in <unk>. So essentially we are lapping. The addition of fruit.

Last year with <unk> and not a permanent addition, and I think as we get through the summer.

<unk> is valid we need to we very much intend to take a look at that whole portfolio and where it makes sense to rationalize it absolutely does because there is no.

Fewer more power Skus of private is more profitable to continue to add new skus. So thats something thats very much on our radar and we're going to see how things participate I think.

How they play out as it relates to save eliminated to start the year, but you referenced eliminate really got hurt with our with our supply chain issues in the first quarter. So we feel really good about lemonade for sure.

And.

And fruit punch as well, but we're going to we're going to take a look at the entire lineup. The challenge with this category as you know is that consumers what they want news and again, it really become very attractive to whatever is new in.

On the shelf, we have to find a way to give news.

This satisfies that desire for experiences from consumers and we think <unk> a really good way to do it and are certainly we know how to execute them, we do seasonally.

As well as anybody in beer and so we know how to how to manage that and then the question that that is what is the core look like how many skus do you need.

Two to grow the business and you can make an argument sometimes fewer skus you can deliver more volume. So I think stay tuned lets get through the summer see how things play out and then.

In the fall, we're going to make some decisions.

Great.

I'll pass it on to getting.

Getting long here. So thank you for taking the question.

Our next question comes from the line of Bonnie Herzog with Goldman Sachs. You May proceed with your question.

Alright, Thank you hi, everyone.

Hey, Bonnie.

So have you actually sounded pretty excited about some of the new innovation Youre rolling out.

So.

That's great I'm curious how many points of growth from new innovation is factored into your depletion and shipment guidance for the year and then I guess I have to ask it.

Wanted to know do you still expect to hit your guidance, even if its truly doesn't grow this year.

Yeah.

I'm, sorry, but what was the second warmest second question, even if truly doesn't grow this year what was the first part of that yeah.

Are you able to hit your kind of ahead of guidance and our guidance.

Yes.

I'll hit that one first I think.

Truly I mean right now.

We are planning.

<unk> and to hit the top end of our guidance truly can still be negative. So if it was negative we can still hit the top end of the guidance.

Which is the one thing you could argue at odds with our goal is to grow share. We think the category is going to grow between zero and 10, that's our intent is to grow share and to grow truly but if for whatever reason it doesn't play out for the <unk>.

Category isn't in that range, we can be negative with truly and still hit the high end we wanted to.

We learned something from the last.

The last year or so about this so we're being very cautious about that again, that's what I was trying to lay out as we have we do have a broad portfolio of brands and twisted tea is one of them <unk> and other.

I appreciate you can't cocktails the whole litany I went through we're looking to get a broad base of growth across the portfolio. So we can it also doesn't force us to do things.

To truly that we worked that short term might be give a long term or is not good. So we feel good about the balance there as it relates to the mix between.

Innovation depends how you want to look at whether there is line extension innovation or new brand innovation, we have a lot of innovation this year and I'd say were probably weighted toward innovation everything from.

Twisted tea light to truly Margarita, which are line extensions, but their innovation to our do which is we're building <unk>, which are brands, which are brand new so I think we're probably more weighted to innovation this year than we normally would be but we.

Go where the opportunities are and that's where we see the opportunities right now.

Okay that makes sense and then Dave I had another question for you just on your your service level. It's you know you mentioned that they were pretty low in the quarter. So can you share where your service levels right now are.

Are they back to peak levels or is it going to take a few more months and then.

You also give us a sense of what percentage of your volume you needed to outsource to co Packers in the quarter given some of the issues that you guys laid out.

Sort of what's your expectation for leveraging co Packers for the rest of the year.

<unk> This is Frank let me.

Speak to the service levels for us so.

The service levels.

They are not where we want them to be there were very low at the beginning of the quarter we.

We have.

We're improving.

Significantly improving but we're still.

I'd say more than five points away from where we really want to be and where we need to be.

We work consistently improved throughout the year.

Again, we didn't have the right mix at the beginning of the year that we had some some production issues that all led to the significantly lower service levels.

As we improve our internal operations and we get a.

A better mix and a more platform mix.

Our production, we will improve those service levels throughout the year.

The second question.

Is it really hard one to answer.

Actually.

With less than 50% externally.

But the mix of the co Packers plays an important role.

Tried to explain before.

The co pack volume and variety pack in the first quarter.

But unexpected it was it was relatively high cost.

Originally we had.

We thought last year, we could get that all in house.

We will increase for peak, we will increase the usage of <unk>.

So manufacturers, but thats largely the new facility that's coming in on the coming on stream on the West coast. So that's why the common share will go up but our average cost for especially for a variety pack will go down because that will be a lower cost option in our structure will be.

It will be a low cost structure.

Okay Super helpful. Thank you.

Alright.

Our next question comes from the line of Ryan <unk> with <unk>.

You May proceed with your question.

Hey, good evening everyone.

Thanks for squeezing me in.

Very quickly first on truly.

With cap Seltzer.

I understand that it's a foot cafes, not said anything before meaning that we would not be priced higher too.

The higher tax.

Okay.

Hey, Luann, Steve Yes, it will it will be probably is probably comparable to.

Other products outside of like high noon it will be.

Factor would be if you look at it from a gross margin perspective.

It's probably is probably about similar gross margin to truly hard seltzer out of the gate and.

Ideally over time, it would be accretive to Detroit.

Okay. Thanks.

Thanks.

And then I mean.

<unk>.

Scott.

A question about the one I ask it in a quarter ago.

You know that we divide them.

This is a category into two that might core sensor.

On one hand on the boardwalk.

So.

In the core sensor.

Sensor, which is we shifted about two third of our business.

Business Big.

That category has been declining about 15%.

<unk>.

And you've been losing share because <unk> been focusing on developing innovation.

In the bold flavors rightfully so so I.

I believe in the last quarter, you said, there would be some news coming on that front on that core mindset there.

Stabilized your shares.

In that in that.

Sub segment.

The case, because you didn't say anything about it today.

Yes, so I think as it relates to the core.

The core later drinking we call them Eog's.

A couple of things, one where we're investing and we have a new AD campaign, which I referenced that we're we're spending behind that is actually getting traction we've got.

A lot of activity around jewelry summer music tour and other things. So we're putting we're putting media and marketing dollars behind it we've got it from an innovation perspective, we've got a lot going on this summer that they went through <unk>. So I think ultimately in order to to buoy. The base of the business, which is important we need to do more.

And then just market behind the things that are more fundamental and I think that will come.

Soon enough but.

We're not able to really talk about it right now other than what it doesn't what areas, where he said today.

Okay.

Well fair enough I'll.

I'll pass it on just not to belabor. Okay. Thanks, Thanks, guys. Good luck.

Our next question comes from the line of.

Cooper with consumer Edge Research you May proceed with your question.

Good evening.

Given presumably operate in computing core volatile variable environment.

Wondering if you could speak to how you are changing the management of the business Resourcing capital allocation and then just trying to get an understanding of how dynamic resource allocation is for both the establishments in your brands as you go through the year.

Okay, Hey, thanks, Brett so.

You're referring specifically to.

How we are investing how we're how we're investing across the portfolio and what's and what we might be doing differently is that we got the question with the questions.

Both of the management of the business in general, but then just on the resource allocation and how dynamic that is as you see things play out where youre talking about how.

There is some level of uncertainty.

And how different brands or parts of your business performed throughout the year, just trying to understand how dynamic.

Your your support of those brands are as you go throughout the year.

Okay.

I think I mean.

We have a plan to start the year and I think this year I mean.

Our first goal this year was two.

Continue to try to gain share as we have last year in hard seltzer, but to build a broader base of support across the portfolio. So really with the big three investments this year around truly twisted tea, which we talked about which.

He has a lot of momentum has had it for a long time and hard mountain dew, but we have other things we talked about as well. So I would argue that first of all come into this year, we're placing replacing.

That's against more than one brand.

And as we get traction we read we read stuff pretty quickly. So we look at it we look at we look at trial, where we look at repeat we look at household penetration.

We go into the regions to understand where theres traction and we are very quick to.

To move funds around wherever we see that there is greater traction. So we're so that from a brand perspective anyway. That's how we're looking at is that we have set.

But then we're able to quickly.

Change as things opportunities present themselves as I also mentioned before as it relates to truly we're being very cautious.

We want to grow share across every every category in which we compete that's really how we measure ultimately how we measure success with truly.

Obviously.

Had some challenges in the back half of last year in terms of our ability to read the market and how to invest or where the brand was going to go. This year, we're being very cautious in our expectations of that brand.

As I mentioned earlier, so, but that's okay. Because we've got other things on the plate that can that can deliver that the growth that we're looking for and truly does better than than we planned for all that much the better I think broader from an organization perspective as Frank talked about we're looking I mean, the big thing is our gross margin in and really get into a more stable state from a <unk>.

Apply chain perspective.

And driving these improvements our path to improvement we have a path to improvement. It was it was all sort of been at the end of last year with all the things that happen and we're back on that path now and we simplified our our production.

<unk> footprint into four anchor Brewers, we've worked on our cost structure.

We'll continue to we'll continue to do that to drive because we know that without improving gross margin does nothing to have what you need to invest in your brands.

Frank also talked about G&A and other things that there were some one offs in Q1 that is not indicative of the trend line for G&A, but we're looking at everything we're looking at.

It did how many people, we add or don't add to the organization. So across the board. We're our goal is to get this P&L back into the shape. It was in.

In the first half of 2021 and 2020 in 2019 and everything we're doing is geared towards that and then Jim referenced this whole obviously, the geopolitical situation of inflation that broader macroeconomic issues.

We also Frank and team have lots of contingencies and lots of things that we're looking at if things could.

Go into a different way, we can cut we can recover that's the goal and we do think that our again as Jim said.

Maybe it takes some imagination.

For some folks to see it given our start but we believe that that the guidance that we issued at the beginning of the year is the right guidance. We think we have we have more than one way to get there which is really important.

And we're going to and we're working hard to deliver that and ultimately get back into that virtuous circle.

Leverage where we're growing the bottom line faster than top line. So that's a lot of just stuff like that just threw at you Brett.

So let me.

Pause now tell me if we are if I answer the question appropriately. If there are other things that you'd like to to understand from us.

Now lets me.

Sorry go on.

I'll add another layer of perspective.

To your question about how responsive are we too.

Yes.

No.

Very fluid and dynamic market situation.

We've got this big portfolio and sometimes one thing is.

Leading the growth like truly last year. This year, it's probably going to be twisted tea.

Who knows it might be Sam Adams next year.

And my sense is we're quite responsive.

The allocation of brand support resources, meaning.

Advertising, meaning sales force effort.

Meaning.

Distributor guidance and distributor support those we are looking at and can change.

In a matter of months.

So I think we've been pretty dynamic and it's just part of our business model.

Having a very.

Complex portfolio with huge differences in growth rates among the the elements of that.

With G&A, we're a little less responsive longer lead times, because so much of it is people.

The part, but reasonably responsibility we're probably.

Uh huh.

The least ability to be responsive is on the.

The supply chain side of it.

Because the lead times there is so much longer and we're facing.

Dramatic.

Differences in like how much brewery capacity, we need how much of it should be internal how much.

Contract.

Where should it.

Be located and then certainly within our own breweries, how they get configured and what are the operating practices. I mean for example, we went in a five year period from a business that had I don't know, 5% or less of its business in variety packs to a business that was.

Over half of our business is variety packs, that's almost doesn't exist anywhere.

The beverage industry and its pretty rare in consumer products and things.

Things like that just change your operating practices completely.

Reed Big warehouse space internally for work in process.

All of a sudden you have a couple of hundred.

People in one site that you didn't have the previous year.

Manually moving.

Loading up the.

Packaging lines deep Pelletizing.

Cases by hand.

And so that's where there is a multi year lead times and we're going through some of that we were configured to be a much bigger business that was going to be hard seltzer is going to be variety packs.

And we needed locations.

Multiple ones I think we were up to maybe eight co Packers at one time and now we're really down to just a couple.

So that's it's on the supply chain where.

We are.

It's very difficult to be.

Responsive because it's about <unk>.

Equipment.

Marine size and location and operating practices.

Great. Thanks, I'll pass it on.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of today's question and answer session I would like to turn this call back over to Mr. Jim Koch for closing remarks.

Well, thanks, everybody for hanging with us through this whole hour and a half.

I hope we've answered your questions and looking forward to doing this again in three months.

Okay.

Cheers.

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Q1 2022 Boston Beer Company Inc Earnings Call

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