Q3 2022 Sensient Technologies Corp Earnings Call
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Good morning, welcome to <unk> third quarter earnings call I'm, Steve Ross Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of <unk> Technologies Corporation, and I'm joined today by Paul Manning <unk>.
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer.
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Thanks, Steve Good morning, or good afternoon earlier today, we reported our third quarter results.
Had another strong quarter of revenue and operating profit growth in each group.
Every business in the company reported strong revenue and operating profit growth our year to date performance has been outstanding and follows our strong results from 'twenty to 'twenty, one and 'twenty 'twenty.
In early October we completed the acquisition of index, a natural color and extract company based in Turkey.
This acquisition strengthens our extensive natural colored portfolio and improves our vertical integration for critical raw materials.
We continue to look at other acquisition opportunities that support our strategic initiatives within our core product lines.
Our focus on sales execution technical support and product delivery continued to fuel our growth we.
We have proven to be a reliable supplier to our customers and we continue to win new projects across each group.
Our focus on on time customer delivery technical support and a robust product portfolio has positioned us nicely for future growth.
As discussed throughout this year, we continue to experience increases in our input costs, including raw materials transportation energy and labor.
We are addressing these rising input costs with disciplined pricing actions and we continue to maintain a higher inventory position to address ongoing supply chain challenges.
While we have seen some signs of relief and select raw materials. Most categories remain elevated and we saw continued increases in costs this quarter across the company.
Despite the current global economic environment, I continue to expect to generate solid growth across the company.
Since it is a recession resistant business that I believe can weather the current global economic challenges.
Therefore, we are confirming our growth expectations for 2022.
We're also confident in our 2023 prospects.
Overall, we believe the year will finish with a more normal mid single digit revenue growth and mid to high single digit operating profit growth.
I will now discuss the group results.
Color group had another excellent quarter, the group delivered 15% adjusted local currency revenue growth and 11% adjusted local currency operating profit growth.
Operating profit margin in the third quarter was 18, 6% and was impacted by our continuing increases in raw materials and other costs.
Food and pharmaceutical colors.
And personal care, both delivered strong third quarter results.
The group's revenue increase was driven by a high single digit price increase and mid single digit volume growth.
The food and pharmaceutical business delivered double digit adjusted local currency revenue and double digit adjusted local currency operating profit growth in the quarter.
This year the business has generated a high level of new sales wins stemming from its innovative natural color portfolio and its focus on customer service.
Our recent acquisition of index will strengthen our supply chain.
And support the strong project wins, we are seeing in natural colors.
The integration of endemic set has begun and I expect this integration will continue throughout 2023.
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The personal care business delivered high single digit local currency revenue and double digit local currency operating profit growth in the third quarter.
Like the food and pharmaceutical business, the personal care business benefited from an innovative product portfolio.
Wrong customer service and product line diversification.
Factors provide the foundation for growth going forward.
Hello Group is having an exceptional year group is on track to deliver double digit revenue growth and double digit operating profit growth and an operating margin close to 20% in 2022.
Over the long term I expect the color group to deliver a mid single digit revenue growth and an operating margin of 20%.
The flavors and extracts group delivered 7% adjusted local currency revenue growth and 6% adjusted local currency operating profit growth.
The group's operating profit margin in the third quarter was 14, 1% and is up 10 basis points compared to the prior year.
The year to date operating profit margin was 15% up 120 basis points compared to the prior year.
Revenue growth in the group benefited from a 12% pricing increase in the quarter.
As we have mentioned during our last few calls the natural ingredients business has faced a volume headwind throughout 2022 as a result of onion availability.
I had initially anticipated a return to normalcy in this product line in Q3, but did that did not fully materialize.
We are now better positioned on or supply of the product and I expect volumes to improve in the future.
And natural ingredients, we continue to see increasing costs as a result of the inflationary environment for labor energy land water fertilizer and other grow our costs as well as the ongoing drought in California.
Need to manage these input costs with additional pricing actions.
And the rest of the players and extract group revenue growth and operating profit growth was up double digits, primarily driven by pricing and modest volume growth.
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I expect the flavors and extracts group to deliver high single digit revenue growth and double digit operating profit growth for the year.
Over the long term I expect the flavor and extract group to deliver mid single digit revenue growth.
And I expect operating profit margin to improve 50 to 100 basis points annually for the next few years.
The Asia Pacific Group delivered 14% adjusted local currency revenue growth and 16% adjusted local currency operating profit growth.
Operating margin in the third quarter was 19, 7%.
The group had solid revenue growth in almost all regions.
Revenue growth was almost equally split between pricing and volume.
The group is on track to deliver double digit revenue growth and double digit operating profit growth for the year.
Although the long term I continue to expect the group to deliver mid single digit revenue growth at our current margins.
This year, it's been an excellent year for sense in our focus on sales execution and product delivery and our robust product offerings are the foundation for the growth we have achieved clearly.
Clearly, we have seen outsized growth in 2022, which we expect to moderate beginning in the fourth quarter and continue into 2020 three.
Overall, we are well on track to meet our full year guidance for 2022, and I remain optimistic about the year and the future of our business.
Steve will now provide you with additional details on the third quarter results.
Thank you Paul since in third quarter GAAP diluted earnings per share was <unk> 85 cents.
As I mentioned in our opening remarks, we do not have any adjustments to our GAAP results for the third quarter of 2022.
Last year's third quarter GAAP results include a divestiture and operational improvement plan costs, which decreased last year's third quarter results by approximately four cents per share. In addition, our GAAP earnings per share in the third quarter of 2021 included the operations of the divested product line, which were not.
Cereal to diluted earnings per share our adjusted EPS in the third quarter of 2021 was 85 cents.
Excluding these items in our 2021 results our consolidated adjusted revenue in the third quarter of 2022 grew by nine 9% in local currency to $361 1 million or.
Our adjusted local currency EBITDA was up seven 8% for the quarter and our adjusted local currency EPS was up seven 1% for the quarter.
Foreign currency exchange rates decreased adjusted earnings per share by approximately six cents in the third quarter.
As we have stated throughout the year, we are making strategic investments in our inventory position, which is the main reason for our lower cash flow from operations last year, we continue to invest in inventory to support the high demand we are experiencing and to ensure we have appropriate safety stock position.
Supply chain and energy challenges continue we believe future inventory increases will be modest.
Capital expenditures were $19 2 million for the third quarter, we continue to expect our capital expenditures to be near 90 million this year.
We are prioritizing return on investment capital projects, and we hope to spend around 90 million next year.
Our debt to adjusted EBITDA is 2.0, our balance sheet remains well positioned to support our capital expenditures.
Both M&A and our long standing dividend.
Regarding our 2022 guidance, we are maintaining our guidance that reported GAAP EPS will increase at a high teen growth rate compared to our 2021 reported GAAP EPS of $2 81. So.
We do not anticipate any material divestiture related costs or operational improvement plan cost in 2022.
We expect to see additional cost increases in the fourth quarter and beyond we also expect our interest expense to continue to increase in the fourth quarter compared to our third quarter interest expense of $3 7 million.
We are maintaining our 2022, adjusted EBITDA and EPS guidance, which both call for high single to double digit growth in local currency.
On an adjusted basis, we are also maintaining our revenue guidance to be up high single digits in local currency compared to our 2021 of adjusted revenue.
Based on current exchange rates, we expect currency to be a headwind of approximately <unk> 20 for the full year of 2022 for our GAAP reported results.
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And that question will be from Ghansham Panjabi from Baird. Please go ahead.
Thank you Hey, guys. Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning.
I guess first off Paul maybe kind of building on your comments on volume moderation pork you onwards, I mean, clearly comparisons are more difficult for you et cetera.
But just how are you sort of thinking about you know at this point.
Volume outlook for 2023 in particular, I, just kind of run through the various segments.
Yeah. So I think in 2023, we we we feel like 5% mid single digit or so revenue.
Our mid to high single operating profit growth is the good sustainable long term.
Expectation that investors and others should have for our groups now.
Now what the composition of that may be and what is the timing of that that that's really getting at the nature of your question right. So the long term, we feel very good about that type of growth model.
But as you look at 'twenty two 'twenty three it's anybody's guess when inflation stops in and therefore pricing increases that we have to give moderate so you could very well have a situation, where we continue to price in the front half of the year and don't have to you and perhaps even have the ability to back off some pricing in there.
Half of the year.
So trying to predict that at any 190 day period is going to be particularly tricky.
So I think that's why as we think about the growth model. Its one of it may be up it may be down on those averages on any given quarter, but I think we feel very good about that formula and the relationship between revenue and profit for 'twenty 'twenty, three and beyond that but I you know, we we continue to take price.
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Depending on the business and depending on the market.
But pricing you know you have to be as you. As you know you have to be very very sensitive where we're not here to throw as much pricing as we possibly can at our customers.
You have to work with your customers and you have to make sure you're not making their products uncompetitive.
So this is not a this is not always an easy thing to do and timing is very very important in the messaging is important.
But I think we've done a fairly good job.
Thing the interests of our customers and then obviously the inflation that we feel.
So net net mid single mid to high single on O P. Mid single on revenue for each of the groups in 23 is a pretty good.
Number of write down and I think model out.
Okay. That's very helpful. And then just as a follow up to that just in context of your customers, obviously absorbing significant inflation across your various cost baskets on the ingredient side.
How does that kind of fit in with your wheelhouse in terms of new product activity and maybe consumers customers looking to substitute ingredients.
You know to kind of moderate the cost impact.
Yeah, that's that's a great question.
Because the ultimate question here is how much new product activity do you do customers.
So I'll actually let me start that over they have resources those resources can be strongly utilized for new products. Those resources can be strongly utilized for cost takeout.
So obviously that will vary significantly depending on the customer depending on the region and the product line there will be some customers, who literally I think put the vast majority of their technical resources shift them from new product launches to more of a cost take out because it's an imminent problem in a <unk>.
Number of our businesses and product lines around the world.
But in others I think they'll continue a very robust pace.
Were to just kind of give you some overall measurements of the market.
I mentioned on the last call for the first six months of 2022 new product launches are for.
For food and nonfood in the U S and European markets by our sources were down double digits, which is to say launch activity in 'twenty three versus 22 was down approximately 10% overall in those markets.
Now that moderated somewhat in Q3 from from our data bases.
New product launches declined about 3% in Q3.
So there.
There is variance depending on the type of customer obviously, some there was a little bit bigger some a little bit smaller but that would suggest that new launches will continue and so part of what it Emboldens me to say we can achieve these results moving into 'twenty three and beyond is because there is still launch activity maybe its line extensions over.
New to the world products, but theres launch activity, if you're a good supply of reliable supply of your response, if you can continue to capitalize on that dynamic.
For sure even in a market.
Twenty-three, we've obviously been doing that in 'twenty, two and 'twenty, one and then as well in 'twenty.
So I think continuing that approach and that expectation I think we can continue to be successful.
Okay. Just one final one if I could on the raw material side what.
What was the <unk> inflation on a sequential basis relative to <unk> and what what's your initial guess on.
Where do you think <unk> will come in.
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It looks like so on a year to date, we're looking at input costs.
The overall.
A little bit variance by the groups, but I would say, it's about overall approaching 9% to 10% for the full year as you look at Q3, it was right around that range, a little bit less worse in Asia than it was in say the Americas and in Europe , but think high single digit.
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A pretty good estimate the composition will vary by group, whether it's raw material and some markets labor and other transportation. We mentioned in the agricultural side, we have a lot of those input costs around fertilizer and water.
Had a strong impact on the F&I business.
But you know that also feeds into the things that we do on extracts that feeds into natural colors. So, but I I think if you want to model that out kind of high single and it continued in Q3 things specifically in Q2 was about 8% and it looks like Q3 is about eight or 9%.
Perfect. Thank you so much.
Okay. Thank you.
And our next question is from Heidi <unk> from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Good morning.
Boy I didn't one by one.
So I wanted to clarify what you said about flavors and extracts for me. So you talked about the volume a supply issue in F&I. So.
Could you maybe talk about volume and price you know by by segment within flavor and extract I'm wondering if the non S. N I part of the business hard volume growth or not.
Perhaps you could clarify that point please thanks.
Sure. So just for everybody's benefit as you look at what we call the flavors and extracts group about one third of that revenue is S. N. I. This isn't the onion garlic, what I also call the agricultural business about.
About two thirds of that flavors and extracts group is what folks to describe as traditional flavors extracts and ingredients.
So volume decline is effectively isolated to F&I, we had modest volume growth in the two thirds of the flavors and extracts group related to flavor ex Jackson ingredients that we had modest growth in Q3 about 5% volume growth year to date.
So the declines that have been effectively isolated to that particular segment of the flavors and extracts group I guess.
You'll know that we also had very good volume growth in color.
And in Asia, both 5% to 6% volume growth and these are in markets that are declining and so I think that's a very noteworthy outcome.
For the company, obviously X S N I.
Thank you for that that's that's very clear next I wondered if you could talk about the trends you're seeing by region and each business. Pete some companies have talked about destocking in certain areas, including North America somewhat cautious about the UK market.
So what what are you currently seeing in flavors and colors. Please.
Yeah, so and you're right to ask that on a regional basis, because it does vary and so just to make sure I'm calibrated here when I'm talking Destocking I'm talking sensing its customers potentially destocking.
I'll tell you compared to 2021 sure there is destocking.
Compared to 2019 kind of at the start of the pandemic is there destocking.
No I haven't really measured it that far back, but certainly on a year over year, there would be what I think most folks would describe as destocking.
Underway pretty much and in most of the markets most of the regions and so.
Our response to that though is.
Yeah.
They may be destocking, some of our products against our service levels have been quite good. So we're seeing a strong connection with our customers Destocking efforts. It is very much related to the reliability of their supply chain.
So in other words that they feel very comfortable that the flavors will continue to come and will come at a reasonable lead time and a predictable.
On time delivery and a reliable on time delivery. They are more apt to take those moves to destock particular raw materials for example.
So those to me are the are the real biggest factor, but the answer to your question sure. There is absolutely destocking.
Among our customers, but I think we still obviously been very successful.
Growing winning growing volume in the vast majority of the company and generating new wins, even with that are somewhat of a headwind.
Yeah.
So are there any specific regions you would called out or is it more on a global basis that you're seeing.
You know doesn't really stand out to me that that that I fret over in any particular way I think it's probably yeah. We we may see a little bit more destocking in Europe than say the Americas.
We're seeing less of this impact in the Asia Pacific region.
But yeah up until now it has not really been a major concern for US you know as we look at our own inventory position, that's obviously elevated but our intention there. It's it's intended right we want to and we have built stock on finished goods in some cases raw.
Cereal is on others, because if you have it in your reliable you win business and you win more business.
And so I accept the cash flow ramifications of that in the interest of generating in the new wins.
And and continuing to maintain customers' confidence in us.
So you.
You know there are some folks that basketball, you're worried about shelf life well not so much you know most of our products have a long enough shelf life that we can manage that process reasonably well.
Now that's not to say that these things last for thousands of years, but certainly when you look at some of the personal care ingredients some of our colors.
These have shelf lives that are are I'm not worried about obsolescence by any means the thing you really have to manage in a situation. Like this is that in the world where demand is kind of declining in some categories and as we referenced.
No we're not going to remain a 15% revenue growth operation here for the long term.
I believe we will moderate back to the sort of the mid single digit growth rate.
So managing that process, because you don't want to be stuck with a bunch of inventory and then you have a bunch of underutilized plants, and then I don't need to get into accounting nonsense on that one but you get the idea there can be profit impacts from that so I look more at inventory, but utilization of our plants.
Rather than inventory obsolescence, but in the broader scheme of things Yeah, I think that Destocking is certainly underway versus 'twenty, one and may very well continue we expect it to continue into 2022, but again a lot of that is tied to the reliability of the supply chain.
Thanks for that and then as another question colors. So we sell about topline was extremely strong why wasn't there more operating leverage and color you talked about inflation, but did you basically see a bigger step up in inflation and are you seeing prices lagging or is there any.
In fact, we should be thinking about.
I would say its costs I don't think there's any major change in our portfolio. The mix of products. In fact, I think that makes our products has been quite good.
But it's cost you you can go out with a pricing increase and then two weeks later like Oh Gosh I got another one and so you can't keep going to customers every two weeks.
And so yeah.
You have to be very thoughtful about that but.
In the very beginning of all this we we got well ahead of.
Of the pricing situation I think you noted that a couple of calls ago.
So I think you saw this outsized relationship between revenue and profit, but now its cost catch up.
And you may be on multiple rounds with with customers trying to get the clarity of what's next trying to find the right timing is certainly very very important so all things considered I'm very happy with very strong revenue, we still have very good profit growth.
Most companies I look at nowadays they might have nice revenue growth, but they're declining profit they have declining volumes that's not a good recipe I feel really good that flight colors has got there.
They are up 15%, 11% on profit yeah, okay in a normal year I'd be like well why aren't we get more leverage, but it's anything but a normal year and so I'm I'm sitting here feeling really good about 15, and 11 with 6% volume growth, but I think it you know as things get back to normal sure.
You'd see you you will see.
More operating leverage as the inflationary environment sort of moderates.
But yeah I think we should all feel really good that sensing it's covering their costs.
Generation volume generating new wins.
It's not exactly how you draw it up from an operating leverage standpoint, but.
I think the alternatives. These days are pretty dire at a lot of other places.
Alright. Thanks, Thank you for that I'll get back into queue.
Okay. Thanks Heidi.
The next question comes from Michal Graham go Paul from Sidoti. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning, thanks for taking the questions.
Just a follow up.
Hi, I'm on the last question there in the comments there are a lot of companies seeing revenue growth but margin.
Reiteration, certainly an issue and you feel comfortable as you look out to next year, even though even if we were to have a recession.
So it should still be able to grow not just the top line, but the bottom line. So I'm just curious in terms of what's separating U verse, there's a lot of companies reporting headwinds, but it's on a raw material supply chain labor costs et cetera, you've obviously done a great job navigating got so far and so I'm curious as you look out to 'twenty three.
Any of those headwinds yeah.
Well I can't necessarily speak to what other folks are doing but I'll tell you. What we're doing we focus on running this business sales execution customer service customers come first.
And we don't really engage in and all those sorts of nonsense Metro where we're kind of a no excuse style operation and people like that because when you when people get very very excited.
And so some of it is just that philosophy.
But the practical matter of keeping customers first really emphasizing new wins and even when there may be slow downs, we don't.
Built in excuses for the businesses and the businesses know that this is not an environment, where excuses or tolerated and so I think that can play out very very strongly as it has.
But beyond that we've got a great portfolio of products.
We've got a great group of customers that we really emphasize just servicing the hell out of them and I think that's a great model. We've got great people if anything our turnover has reduced each of the last three years and a lot of our key roles around the company and so a lot of these things are coming together in a real positive way and.
And I'm very very happy.
With the quality of the people we have here the portfolio. After all that painful restructuring. This is a great portfolio and we've got a lot of really new products that are coming out we've made a lot of good capital investments, Steve mentioned, what our capital spend will be for the year.
So I think that's been largely the formula for us.
Yeah.
Okay sounds good and then just on the natural.
Colors and flavors.
Obviously, that's been a trend in terms of.
Tumors preference for more natural ingredients colors, but.
You referenced higher.
Put cost has that resulted in a slowdown.
From synthetic to natural.
No interestingly enough we've observed the opposite.
There are a lot of great brands out there that are going to be aggressive even in these types of end markets, they're going to launch new products, they're going to launch exciting products.
And we were right there with them supporting their their needs. So no. The natural color sales continued to be quite strong.
Literally in almost every one of our regions.
And so we have not seen a slowdown we by our estimates what we read 78% to 80% of new product launches around the world continue to be using.
Using natural colors.
As that as the type of color.
And then the other balances as synthetic and and then Europe coloring food. So it's a really really good dynamic and we see continued underlying strong trends in growth coming out of natural colors.
Natural flavors, but most of the markets we deal in have substantially already converted to that I would tell you that for example in the U S 90, plus percent of our flavors are natural flavors.
There are still some product lines out there utilizing synthetic more of a synthetic flavor profile.
So less to say about that one but yeah for the natural colors still really really good dynamics.
Okay. Thanks, and then finally I know you just amongst the endemic acquisition just curious in terms of your M&A appetite.
Given the rising interest rate environment and.
Your willingness to lever up the balance sheet.
Well I guess as a rule of thumb, we've always said in the M&A side of things. If you want it bad you're going to get at that and we've been very very disciplined.
That we don't use that mindset.
We've.
We've walked away from a lot of potential opportunities that we felt were not valued.
Consistent with our evaluations.
We're very very excited about endemic I think this is a this fits in exactly with the type of company we want.
They have in their case, they have a very nice position from a supply chain standpoint.
But we could find a win win with that organization I think it's a great cultural fit to sense. It and it is what we've always described as kind of this bolt on acquisition that we're not going to fret over integration activities and you know moving around plants and screwing up a bunch of stuff, we buy it we invest in it and we continue.
To to make use and learn from a lot of their techniques and leverage their products around throughout the rest of the sensor networks. So hey, we're always looking at things too to acquire but you got to have a win win and a win win means they get a fair price and we get a fair price. So if I can continue to find those scenarios.
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Sounds great we've got the balance sheet to accommodate that.
Yeah, you're right interest rates those are those certainly factor into the the denominator of these valuations.
But you can still at the type of scale that we're looking at maybe that's less of a consideration than if I was going to buy some massive entity out there somewhere.
Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks, again for taking away. Thanks Mitra Yep.
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The next question is from David Greene with Bolt Haven. Please go ahead.
Hi, Steve.
Okay.
Okay.
I see a lot of my questions have been answer so if you.
I hope you like mind, some more sort of detailed ones.
Specific.
Just actually on the <unk> side, how much of a headwind.
The top line with those amnion.
Hum constraints and shortages in Q3.
And then to sort of final questions. One was just on the SG&A, which ticked up a bit this quarter.
Whether there was anything that rule.
That does normalize.
And then the final question was on the corporate and other which is obviously the primarily to stock based comp.
Which has been going which was obviously has been increasing this year.
You've obviously changed the structure now so has this now peaked and should we expect the absolute level to be.
I guess quite a bit lower going forward.
Okay I'll take the S. N. I wanted then so you can't wait to answer questions two and three there were a day, which to some degree related.
On the S N I front.
Yeah as I said in the prepared comments I I got that wrong in terms of the timing of when we'd be in a better situation there.
So okay I was off maybe a quarter or so so I think that are moving forward.
We certainly confirm our growth expectations for flavors for the year.
As an overall or get that there's an overall entity.
I think as I look at 2023, I think the F&I piece is going to have a really good year. You remember last year, we had or I should say Q4 of 2021 I call talked about how we had a real selling frenzy, and we had sold and really kind of oversold and outsold our position.
Such that as we got into Q1 and Q2 of 2022 we had a real deficit of product.
So we're not gonna.
As we get into 2023.
You'll see some nice uplift coming out of S. N I really right out of the gate as you look at 2023, so that that'll be a nice tailwind for us.
Moving forward and then of course as that that being the one third of the flavors and extracts group I continue to feel quite good about the two thirds of the flavors and extracts group related to flavors, where again, we've had very nice growth throughout the year on the ingredients part of that portfolio are very nice.
Growth rates this year.
So I feel quite good about our chances there and I think we will only.
I think we'll be in a much better position to only be talking about the positive attributes of F&I.
As we begin 2023, but with that let me let me let Steve.
Talk to you about the SG&A and the corporate one.
Yeah. So on the I'll do the last one first David on the corporate expense. So on an adjusted basis were up about $2 6 million in the quarter I can tell you about 60% of that was.
Stock based comp and I know, we've been talking about this for a while but we had a we have such a strong performance based program that a few years ago, you know, we essentially werent, earning equity awards.
Zero it out and so it really takes three years to sort of build that back and we're in that third year or so I think you're still seeing a little bit of a step up this year, but then is as we get to next year you should see more normal increases and then when you look at the the second question was on overall SG&A is that correct.
Yes, that's right yes.
So there again.
The increase probably half of that was the.
The stock I, just mentioned and other incentives so.
If you go back to last your colors performance sort of improved over the course of the year and they're having an excellent year. This year, so youre seeing higher incentive accruals and parts of our business related to performance than the other half is really going to be.
Travel, which has stepped up and then higher salary and wages would would make up the remainder of the increase.
Great. Thanks very much.
Okay. Thanks, David.
There are no further questions at this time I will turn the conference back to the company for any closing remarks.
Okay. Thank you for your time. This morning, just took maybe a closing comment as you're updating your models. After the call just keep in mind, we mentioned a couple of headwinds and I'll just give you the specifics as to how those may impact Q4. So we talked about interest expense in Q4, if you look at.
Year over year, EPS impact, it's probably going to be approximately a four for four cents headwind and then foreign exchange.
[noise] about an 8% headwind in Q4.
Versus prior year. So I think everybody is aware that interest rates are increasing we have a modest increase in our our debt level. So you know you saw about a $600000 sequential increase in Q3, we would expect about a approximately $1 million sequential increase in interests going into Q.
Four and then on FX, you know I mentioned that there was a six cent.
Headwind in Q3, and it'll be a little worst it'll be eight cents by our forecast in Q4.
So again, thank you for your time this morning and.
That will conclude our call.
And thank you Sir the conference has now concluded you may now disconnect your lines.
Yeah.
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