Q2 2022 Fastenal Co Earnings Call
Speaker 1: Don.
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Actions as contract windows opened up. But again, that's part of how we manage the price cost dynamic is understanding where our costs are coming from and when we'll have opportunities to make adjustments. And you know, I give an enormous amount of credit to the folks who manage our pricing and costing strategies and frankly, the folks in thef have exeute them because I think they've done a really good B of that.
I look forward. Right now it feels like it's going to be more of the same. You know, to the extent that we see suppliers putting you know- cost increases into us first, we will push back on them. We have a good sense of what. What's going on with raw materials as wellyou know, and depending on you know how that goes, we might have to push some- you know- skw specific price increases through. You know. But unless there's some meaningful much change in the overall cost environment from where we spent most of the past quarter, I don't anticipate any aggressive actions to have to be taken again. It we'll see how the environment plays out. I'm just going by what we see todaybut I also expect that we'll continue to manage to a utal pricecost and IM I' not change in that in that area. But one change you will see is as we run into Q3 we're going to run against tepeper costps And so I do expect that the percentage growth related to price increases will moderate from where we were in Q2. But again, that doesn't reflect a change in the overall price level. That would be my expectation.
Got's tellle. Then, just as a follow up- you know you guys have been at the branch conversion here for for a bit now- any observation for how that's impacted? You know kind of the, the traditional, you know retail or a branch facing model. I know that the the objective there was to kind of push more of those customers to e.-commerce know, maybe be willing to lose some of them. But you know how, how would you you know sort of rate how that's gone and you know any in any observations or attrition rates or stuff like that you could share?
I think part of what we did, obviously the cot period.
Pushed everybody to abruptly change what they're doing and I think the strength you see in our e-commerce sales it's growing north of 50%.
Is testament to the marketplace.
I don't know if the marketplace is reacting what we're doing or we're acting to what the marketplace isdoing's. I think it's more of the lter.
And but buying habits have changed. You see it in your personal life. What you do today is different what it would have been five years ago.
And so as we've moved.
As more and more of our growth comes from the fact we're engaging deeper with customers and they're seeing the abilities for us to help them in more ways than maybe they would have five and 10 years ago. It changed the footprint we needed and sometimes when you change your footprint, if all of a sudden you have five locations in a market and you go to 3, you you will lose some business because you're not close proximity, but most of that is is morphthing to a different channel and that was that was going to happen, regardless of our changeing foot.print, and you think we're doing anicejob keeping a lot of that business, as again you look at our increase in web sales, because a lot of that business but go to love sales that's growing in 50%.
Yeah I mean I always I would, I would build on that- pointed to the same thing. I mean our are. Despite the changes that have been made, our growth has been very good and that includes on e-commerce side and with our ultical custom and with our local customers. That's what I thing I was going to say. It's really early to really understand in a concrete fashion where the numbers are all falling, because obviously this is something that's come up in the last couple of years as a period of timeto execute, get comfortable in the certain environment SEER, but I do believe that, at least very early on, I think the growth that we're getting out of our branches relative to the marketplace is a little bit better in this cycle than what we saw last cycle and I think that that attributes a lot of the changes that we're making. But this is a is, this is A- a wealth of data that we're going to have to continue to collect and evaluate, but everything coming out of the field anecdotally and really early indications on the data, I think are all all encouraging.
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Thank your next question is coming from David mamthey from beair jy.our line is now live.
Hey Dan holding good morning, day good morning.
So back in 2009- and I know every cycle is different- But through that year your gross margin dropped about 300 basis points and at the time you talked about FO and lower rebates and competitive pricing. Can you just discuss what's different today about the business, other than the faster mix, which I think was about 50% back then, and anything else that's changed? That would limit that kind of of an impact on your piano.
You have a good memory, daveidand. Yesterday we had our Board meeting and I was reflecting on just that element was the Board, because we're talking about what could it happen, what could happen in different scenarios, what we're seeing and, if you recall, in 2009, So in 2008- there was a fair amount of inflation.
And nothing like we're seen today. But there was inflation going on and when demands fell back.
That fliit from inflation and deflation.
And all of a sudden, what is six months worth the product.
If your demand drops off enough, that might turn into seven or eight or nine months, or the product.
And you saw the squeeze that occurred. You also saw a mix shift in your business Ping on. Who's being impacted by it?
And then the deleveraging obviously, of the trucking network is if we're driving a truck from whenonto Minnesota, to Minneapolis to a deliative branches and that truck has.
10% is running full or it's running at 80%: the cost of the truck and the cost the driver and the cost of the fuel going in. That is.
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We on price gu gu kind ofto help out of ination ary environment- seems like there was the last coming to to- and then think perspectively: maybe you steal starts flow through the business. How should we think about that, particularly on the fast or P terms of not only maybe the sensitivity on what you guys could see, pring is's margin Act. You that flow through and you guys price. Maybe customers kind AR in their enil a that, I would say, is been doing inflation now for the better part of the year and we been manageaging that through a number of means. But one of those ans? Es been price actions on our own and as we reported each quarter, we really been able to a line the pacing of our price increases with the pacing of our cost inases and don't expect that to change material cost today. Our fairly stable at a high level was where they've been and so in the second quarter we didn't take any additional broad actions. therewere certainly actions around. There were certainly actions where we had suppliers you know put you know increases in us, things of that. But w those is being more Act. ical certainly took actions as contract, those opened up. But again again, that part of how we manage the price ST dynamic is under standing. St are coming from and when will have opportunities to make a justment and I the a credit to the lks manage our, our priceing in cost strategies. The foks in the field that have eute because I think they done really, really good job of. I look forward right now feels like going to be more of the same. You know to the extend that we see supplyliers putting you know cost increases into first push back on. We have a sentse. What what's going on was material was know and the ending on you know how that goes. We might have to C specific ice increases throughto you know in less there's some meaningful change in the overall cost environment from where we spend most of the, the P quarter. I don't anticipate ress of actions have to be TA again the how the environment out just going what we see. But I also ex that will continue to to manage to a utral priceco. So not not change in that that area one change you will see is as we run the three werere going to run against co And so I do expect that the sentage growth related to price increases will moderate for where we were in 2, 20 but again, I does n? T reflect the change in the overall price level. That would be my expectation, just as a fall up guys at the branch version here. For for now any observation for how that acted, know kind of the traditional you TA il branch ING del I know object there was push more those customers, commerce maybe be willing the of them, but know how how would you ate how that's gone and any in any observations or trition rates or stuff like that. You, I think, know part of what we did. I obviously the co period P every body to a roughly change what they're doing and and and I think that the see in our commerce sales goinging the 50% is testiment to the market place. I 't know the market place Act, we're' what the marketplace I think it's more of and but byying have a personal. What do today is what would have been five years a and so as we moved as more more of our growth comes from the were were engaging per with customers and there seeing ability, help them and more ways than maybe they would five and 10 years ago. Change the OT. prly needed some change OT. You have five locations in the market. You go you. You will Lo se some business because close co vity but most of that is more thing to a different Chan and that was that was going to happen. Regard of change, we think were keep lot of that business be. Look at our increase ales because a that iness SES's going 50%. I was. I would build on that point to the same thing. I mean our pite, the changes that have been made, our TH been very good and cloud commerce with cusm, our local costm. I say's really early to really under stand a concre fast where the bers are all falling because obviously come up in the last couple years the OD that cute get comefortto the certain environment cent. I do believe that LE very early on I think the TH were getting out of our branches related to the, the market place a little better in this cycle, what we saw last cycle and I think that that the lot of changes that were re making. But this is, this is a wealthof data that were going to have continue to collected valu But every think coming out of the field a totally and really early iccation on the datea I think are all all cour product to think that. Next, coming from Avid the that hold morning the morning. So back in 2000 and I know cycle different, but through that year your gross margin dropped about three hundred basis pointrates. The time were talked about fight, rebates and competitive pricing. You just discuss different today about the business, other than the fast, which I think was about fiftyeight percent, any anything that change that that would limit that kind of impact under your P day. Know, last yester we, ARD aving, was reflecting on that, that element with the Board. You know what, what could, could to happen in scenar, what were seeing and you to call 2000 nine 2000, there was a fair ounlot of inflation and nothing there was in place going and and when demand fell back, that that from in in the inflation and you know all what is sixmonths part of the product youif demand dro, not that my seven or eight ninemonths for the product.
What the market is that day and you deleverage that network. Same thing with their distribution.
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wedifferent today, the element of deleverag in the trucking network. That's the same. Nothing's changed there.
The our mix is different. You're right: 50 passen for afifty percent of our mix.
The a fair amount of that is product that most of the facastorters in this country are not produc this country, and so, whether it's us or supply chain partners in North America, most of that's coming from Asia.
And if there is deflation going on, that there's a squeeze that go downthere, that curs in your turn of inventory. Once you get through that turn of inventory, that issue goes away again. The question is: how much supply do you have?
The those dynamics are in play, the the nonfaster piece. A chunk of that we source domestically at chunk of that we import. I' suspect chunk of what we we buy domestically is imported by somebody else.
There would be some of those dynamics going onto deflationary environment is not a friend to gross profit in the short term.
It wasn't in 2009, it wasn't in you in the early ninety's, it wasn't in the late ninety's and it WOn't be if something with that would happen in today's world.
Thanks Dan appreciate the color.
Thank our next question is coming from Nigel co from Wolf researcher. Line is Al a.
Thanks good morning everyone. I think I'm done another visit some of the questions beforehand. Maybe I think what Josh was trying to drive that was the FAS pricing with steel prices coming down. The obviously steel prices are sub $1 thousand right now and understand you've got contractual pricing arrangements with some customers on that. So just maybe just if you could just address that and you know how that works and and maybe just go from there. Thank.
I mean first thing I would challenge the assumption a little bit about steel pricing being down depends with index. You're looking at. I mean we sawource most of our steel product over in Asia and so it's relevant to us is sort of what's going on intaiwan. What's going on in China at least for the last stistics that were fed to us. Those prices are still relatively elevated. So can consider first the region but the.
Look I think that, if I think deflation works the exact same way as inflation right, when the cost of the raw material goes up, we approach our customers with an increase to defend, to sort of defend on our margin- and when it goes down, our customers approach us with the decrease, and there's a whole bunch of them that so have those contractual windows that allows them to do that.
As a result, is it possible that you could have negative pricing in your business? Sure, I think we saw that in 2015 and' Sixteen.
Now consider the pieces right. I don't believe that we've historically seen negative pricing in our nonfastener mix.
And on the fastener side consider that no more than a third of the value of a fastener is the actual raw material itself. The rest of it is the value-added the manufacturing. The transportation costs et cetera right and so when you start slicing and dyson.
At the end of the day, in 2015 2016, we probably saw deflation in price of a percent or two across the business right, So please consider the order of magnitude of impact that we're talking about. But I think that the dynamics work the same way, but in reverse, if pricing environment should change. But again, I want to emphasize, that's not the environment that we're seeing today.
Feel free to speculate anyone on this. Was that going to happen? But that's not the environment we're seeing today.
Right now. I mean talking about the flation with the CP annumers just come out. It seems a bit academic, but but not it's' it's a brother discussion. Just Don T just stay. Stay on inflation. I think you you called out: half of the inventory increase is inflation, half is unit. So it looks like we've got a 12% inflation. You know, in inventory here pricing is six point six point nine does that mean you need to push more price in the back half of the year to maintain price cost utrality on on products.
Well you know the.
I think part of the challenge is how you measure the relative pricing. Remember that when we're talking about pricing running through our revenues.
We're looking at reoccurring sales which is about 40% subset of our total business. Right. Now what that means about 60% of our business is the sale of a product that we didn't sell in the previous period right. Now that's trtruth is if we would sold the same part last year that we sold this year. We probably would have sold it for less than we did this year right and so I believe that there's a the reoccurring component of inventory is much higher than the reoccurring a component of sales by the nature of our business. And I think that's the difference that you're seeing between the two again when I looking at where we are if if I take out all that nonreoccurring and just at reoccurring.
The dynamic is, we're a little bit behind on fasteners and you know we're sort of in line on everything else, and so no, I don't believe that we're behind Nigel. I think that we're largely on pace with the level of inflation that we're seeing, and the gap you're talking about is reflecting sort of the different reoccurring sales levels that you see in sales versus inventory. There's a, there's a premise to the question that I think being missed from the standpoint of the basis for the question.
And that is when, when we have a $100 of products sitting on the shelf, that's just say that's're ending inventory and we're selling product.
Next month, the month after that, we're not exclusively selling product out of our inventory.
We're selling product that we're buying that month and selling that month we're selling products a disproportionate piece of our inventory.
But's beting on the shelf.
Is product that has that that we've decided over time.
Because of the length of the supply chain.
And the nature of the supply chain. We're going to stack that ourselves.
So if we have a supplier, a domestic supplier, re locked step with, we have a great supply chain relationship with. They know the demand, we know their capabilities.
We don't have six months of their product on our shelves.
We have three weeks, we have six weeks, we have eight weeks of their product ourselves, pending on what the need is to physically move it in efficient fashion.
Because your supply chain is different.
If that product is coming from halfway around the planet and in the last year and a half, that trip from source to use is less than predictable.
That's where our inventory is deepened. So when? When colon talks about what percentage of our inventoryincrease related to inflation and relates to deepening of the quantity.
That' disproportionate to inventory that we're sourcing outside the United States, outside of North America.
And so that 12% doesn't naturally translate to well. That means your inflation in your sale price in the next six months have to be up 12%, because that's not apples and apples. I hope that makes sen, but I just does make sen, Thank. You should to ccome up, Thank.
Thank your next question is coming from ryrian Merkel, from William Blair. Your line is that ive.
Hey guys, good morning. one right good morning.
So I wanted to follow up on Dave's question and just clarify. So, relative to 2009, it sounds like the mix is a little bit different, obviously of your business, but I think you're saying you're going to be just a cyclical and decrementals could still be in the mid- twenty's if we have weak sales and deflation. That a fair statement.
Well the point hold it made in a much more artful fashion than I'd tried to make when I initially answered. It was the.
The mix was more acute in 2009 because half our sales were fasteners.
And fasters have different pricing dynamics than nonfasteners.
And so the fact that at the third of our business they would, it wouldn't remove it on that third.
But it would diminish it because it's a third of our business rather than half our business. Does that makes sense?
It does.
The other thing that I would remember, or that I would point out, is in two thousand and nine.
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But in less there's some meaningful change in the overall cost environment from where we spend most of the, the P quarter. I don't anticipate any ress of actions to have to be TA again the how the environment just going what, what we see. But I also ex that will continue to to manage to a utral price ST not not change in that that area one change you will see is as we run the three werere going to run against and so I do expect that the sentage growth related to price increases will moderate for where we were Q y two but again doesn't 't reflect change in the overall price level. That would be my expectationgot, just as a fall up guys at the brch version here for for now, any observation for how that acted. Know of the traditional you TA il branch basing model. I know object there was push more those customers comm erce, maybe ING someof them, but know how how would you ate, how that's gone? And any in any observations or TR rates or stuff like that. 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I mean our pite, the change ES that have been made. Our growth is been very good, includes comm side and with cusm our local costmers thing say's really early to really under stand a concre fast where the bers are all fall, because obviously this' come up in the last couple years, the period that cute get comefortto the certain viron cent. I do believe that LE very early on. I think the TH that were getting out of our branes relative to the market place is a little better in this cycle. What we saw last cycle and and I think that that V lot of the changes that were re making. But this is a, this is a wealth data that wereregoingto have to continue collected Val ate, but every think coming out of the field totally and really early indiccation on the datea, I think are all all cour gotct to think. Next question: coming from AV the from hold morning, the morning. So back in two thousand nine and I know cycle different, but through that year your gross margin dropped about three hundred basis point rates and the were talked about fight rebates and competitive pricing. ue just discuss different today about the business other than the fast, which I think was about 50% back. Any anything that change that that would limit that impact under P know year day. Know last yester day our ARD leaving was reflecting on that, that element with the Board that you know what what, what could en in scenar, what seeing and you to call two thousand 9, two thousand 8, there was a fair oun of inflation and not, but there was in place on and and when demand fell back, that that from inflplace in the deflation and know all the, what sixmonths of the product if demand dro, that my seven or 8, nine months for the CT.
Demand was down 60% in a BLINK.
It's really hard to adjust your cost structure when demand is down 60% of the BLINK.
I would. Maybe maybe things change and maybe we have two point zero zero nine million. I have no idea because I have no visibility, but that seems we were a lot of questions are coming from. But our decremental- and one reason Don T own 9, it is so exceptional- is because that's actually the only year in our history that revenue was down. But our decremental is 40% because you CAn't adjust your cost structure that quickly.
I don't believe, unless you believe. There's a replay of 2009 common.
I don't believe the 2009 is the right proxy for, let's say, a 2019 style slowdown.
I would just give some consideration to the benchmark you're using them before everybody on up. Flo walks over and this is there but everybody walks on the call walks over to the closest window and decide that the LEAP.
When I talk to our regional leaders, I talk to our national count sales leaders.
And I get the tone of what they're seeing from their customers.
I don't think there's a customer they talked to that doesn't have as strong a backlog as they've ever had in their business. Now, backlogs are funny. Backlogs can evaporate in an environment, but there's a lot of. If you think about what you see. We were down our transportation folks were down at the railyards in Chicago recently really trying to. We're always trying to figure out ways the streamline our supply chain.
And the amount of container, s- a product that retailers have sitting there that they're paying for. Storage is massive, and so there's a lot of those kinds of things we're hearing about, But when I talk to it, our manufacturing customer base.
In our construction customer base, probably the only to the construction post folks, the proverbial inenarea and the coal mine now use a term from one of our Directors yesterday is: projects don't get cancellled, but they get delayed when things gets offter.
But there's a lot of pent-up demand because a lot of manufacturers have stuff that's sitting there ready to be finished, but they're waiting for component.
one of the components they're not waiting for.
It's their oliem fasters.
one of the components're not waiting for is the stuff that passed on their is supply them. So when that?
Widget can be assembled, or can assembly can be finished. We're there to serve that need, and so we're in a different spot than a lot of suppliers going into that.
But but holding's point is dead on. I still remember from, I believe, from October to January , our business dropped off about 18%.
And then we dropped off five percentage points a month, our actual business level. So we were down, we weren't down 60 hold, and we were down about 33, but and then and then it started to shallow in the spring, But as point is that on that, that' that's complete different scenario than what we're talking about from the standpoint of the demand needed, the backlog in the marketplace downstream from us.
Got it. That's helpful. And then my second question, and the premisof this question is to worry about inflation to deflation.
And probably better for holding. So I think holding that price inflation that you report reflects about 40% of sales- think that's what you've said. So the question is, what is the risk? That inflation in the other 60% - that's hard to measure- has been more helpful to sales and growross margins and we appreciate.
Well again I believe that if we had bought a widget in both periods.
It would be inflated this year compared to where it was last year. I think that goes out saying: But I mean, that's why, if you look at fasener, inflation throughout the 60% where there's no offsetting sale year-over-year to a similar customer.
But faster. Inflation exceeds 25%. It has over the past couple of quarters because what's happened with the price of steel, cost of transporting internationally, et cetera? If I look at nonfasteners, it's been close to the 10% right. So I mean that's the level of inflation that we've been seeing in the marketplace.
hopfully. That gives some color. I'm not sure what else else you're referring to.
Yeah no, it's helpful. I just it's hard to measure roughly 60% of sales. On inflation, I was just worry that potential inflation is helping more than we can appreciate, since we CAn't really say, as I said, for every, every widget that we sell this quarter for which there's no comparable sale, the prior quter and' pretty certain we probably got more for it this quarter. Then we would have know a year ago had we sold it.
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How should we think about that, particularly on the fast P terms of not only know maybe what you the sensitivity on, on what you guys could see price but' anymargin impact. You know that flows through and you guys price or maybe customers of AR in their pencil a little. That I would say is been Al in in placeation now for the better part of the and we been managageing for a number of means. But one of those means ES been price actions on our own and as we reported each quarter, we really been able to a line the pacing of our price increases, the pacing of our ST increases and I don't expect that to change material cost today our fairly stayable at a high level where they've been, and so in the second quarter we didn't take any additional broad actions there. Certainly actions around were, certainly actions where we had suppliers you know, put you know increases into us and things of like that. 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M's say really early to really under stand a concre F where the numbers are all falling. Obviously this is up in the lastcoupleyears the period cute get Fort the certain vironment cent. I do believe that least very early on I think. Think the TH that were getting out of our branches relative to the market place is a little better in this cycle. What what we saw last cycle and I that that lot, the chang that werere making. But this is a, this is a wealth datathat were going to have to continue to collected valu ate, but every think out of the field, TOT and really early ication, the atea I think are all cour gotct to think Thank. Next question coming from David, that hold morning the morning. So back in two thousand and I know cycle different. But through that year your gross margin dropped about three hundred basis pointates and the time talked F Bates and competitive pricing. You just discuss different today about the business other than the fast, which I think was about 50% back, any anything El that' change that would limit that kind of impact under day. Know yesterday ARD aving was reflecting on that, that element, the Board, that you know what, what could, what could happen in scenar, what were seeing, and you to call two thousand 9, So in two thousand eight there was a fair ount of inflation and nothing today. But there was place on and and when demand fell back, that that in the inflation and you know all the what is sixmonths of the product if demand drops, not that my seven or eight or nine month where the product.
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You know no, now I I think that there's a.
If we didn't se it last year. Last year I also think we probably gain some share, gain some products up like I don't think we should lose sight of that fact. But yet, without a doubt, most of the stuff we're buying this year, probably we're getting more for it than we would have a year ago.
sothe piece you're not factory into this is. There's numerous examples of where the customer was willing to shift.
What they're rebuying.
And so, for example, we have our own exclusive brands. There are examples where Hey, which did a, is goingone up 10%.
Which it be is goingone up 10% to. However, that 10% increase is left is only a point point a half above what you were spending on which it ate in the past.
And so.
So think these measurements are funny at not measuring things like that to shift, because our exclusive brands, as a percentage of business, are preferred suppliers as a percentage of business.
Has grown faster.
Than our overall business, and so not all of that inflation shines through in the terms of pure growth, because when the substitution comes into play, what you're selling is more expensive than it would have been a year ago, but it's only nominally more expensive than what the alternative was, because it's kind of going to the grocerystore and you're buying a different brand than you were buying a year ago. Both brands might be up 5% or 10%, but you might be spending the same as you were spending a year ago.
Because you're buying a different brand.
Got it and I would again. Ultimately, price cost gets reflected in some way, shape orperformingin your gross margin and again our gross margins been fairly stable. So I don't believe that there's a bunch of inflation out there that we're not seeing and we're not accounting for, because if that were the case it would be reflected in our gross margin. I think the actions that we've taken are capturing the order of magnitude of increase that we've seen.
Good point ok, thanks.
Hi right, Thank you.
Thank your next question is coming from hummsome, is already from jeoprey. Your line in now line.
Hi good morning, my my first question. A good morning. But my first question was just around the on-site business you know you mentioned. Clearly it's a good solution for some of the supply chain issues you're seeing has. Do you, do you view there to be structurally higher demand for Onsites in kind of a post covered world, post pandemic, relative to your kind of expectations prepandemic? And kind of has the timeline in terms of you know implementing in you on-site or the ramp changed at all with with some of the labor availability issues I know you mentioned? You had pretty good hiring you too.
Yeah you know.
Structure is a funny word. It I believe there is a structural change in demand.
covidt- I mean COVID-19 in the hiring environment is part of it. I think awareness part of it too. If you go back 15 years ago, there wasn't a structural ort demand for vending.
In industrial world, in industrial distribution, it didn't exist. It was a one-off novelty that had been around for 20 years but it really didn't have a presence.
The even internally when we first start talking about it most lot of reaction was we want to put what in establishing.
And it's a better means to distribute that type of products. And we've expanded that foot putint now into into our fast-bin offering, our fast stock offerings, and what's changed is our awareness of the solution but, as of equal importance to customers' awareness of the solution.
The one thing that is nice about IT- an event like our customers show- is customers get to come to that event and they see firsthand examples.
They talk to other customers that are doing it.
And all of a sudden, the awareness chang.
Of what the Onsite is about- fast no model because there's other on-site models out there, implant models out there, but they learn about what it is in the fast no supply chain, armed with all of our FI technology, of why it's a great solution. I believe structurally there's a better environment for it and that's why we're signing 100 versus.
80 or 85 or 90, if I go back, even prepandemic.
That's enhanced by the fact that maybe dumpl look at that as geesz. It's really difficult to hire, especially for an expertise that isn't inherent in my business. We make widgets, we don't source product, and so it's an expertise and a hiring element. Don't lose by the fact that it's workth for us to add those people to.
As So sometimes, the limiting factor to how fast the ramp upll is our ability staff it with a talented team and our customers's ability to to make change in their business and willingness to make change.
But the premise of your question is structure their better environment today than it would have been in the past. Yes, part of that COVID-19, part of that', hiring environment, but I think the most important element is awareness, and that gives it sustainability past the next six to 12 months. That gives it sustainability for years into the.
Because it's something.
Bit a bit of color. I might add to that, probably over the last three to five months, which kind of coincides with where I think ourselves and our customer base began to sort of adapt to the current setting. But over the last three to five months a lot of the feedback that's come back from the regional Vice presidents in their commentary to me that they give me each month, each quarter.
There's been many of them that have said that the lessons that would learned from the period we just came out of was that our customers are not supply chain managers and they're looking for someone to bring that expertise into them. And so the dance point about structural, I think. I think that this laid there how difficult managing your supply chain can be. On top of that, supply chains have just gotten more expensive in the current environment and I think that our customers are looking for more assistance in that, and I think they're conveying that to the to the field sales force, based on the commentary that I'm getting back. So an ecdotal support for them.
Got it very helpful. My follow-up question' I'll turn it over is- is just an. I think maybe it was asked if a few quarters ago. But anything you're hearing from your customers on on reing manufacturing capacity back to the? U's domestically, is it more anecdotal or are you sort of seeing any data points suggesting that that beginning or happened or happening? Thank you Yeah, I mean. What I'll tell you is: I haven't received any.
Concrete commentary from people saying: Oh, all these plants are coming back.
So I've never received any anecdotes to support the idea that on showing is or isn't happening. But I'll tell you that if, in my view, I think that that's sort of a long cycle thing, that we're going to look 10 years from now and say it happened or it didn't happen, I don't know how you identify that in a given quarter or frankly, even a given year, that that trend is in place. But I've not received any specific feedback from the field suggesting that that's driving our business.
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Thank your next question is coming from Tommy mole, from Stephen herline is our life.
Morning and thanks for taking my questions.
one morning.
I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit on the softening demand trends that you called out, and I'm thinking about it in a couple of ways. First just.
If you can walk us through the quarter and holding you reference to the exit rate.
And what that might imply for the remainder of the year and then the second way I'm thinking about it is you made a comment I believe it was holding around the weakness or softening. We can say largely centering around.
Consumer slash construction end markets, So any end market commentary would be helpful as well.
yestaken. The last first, getting down to specific end markets can be a challenge. The message that I'm conveying is again based on the feedback in the RVPs, where they talk about seeing some softening. It winds up being things like automotive, recreational vehicles- right things like that- that tend to have a more direct connection to the consumer.
When we start talking about things around commodities like oil and gas or things around capital goods like agriculture, the feedback is still pretty positive there: no real sense that there's been any slowing in demand and no sense that the backlogs are anything other than strong.
And so that's kind of the split. So it's difficult for me to give a lot of color from in terms of an SiC code sort of perspective but but just in terms of the ancdoes timim from the field that seems to be the direction that that they're pushing us where you touch the consumer directly. It's a challenge where you don't it still strong and that's why I said you know the softening we saw during the period. It's not broad and it's not deep. But it was a bit of a change and to the first to the first question or maybe part. A of the first question. The.
You know, we didn't finish June as strong as we started it. That's different from what we experienced in March. We finished March stronger than we. Then we started it to. Out of the last two out of the three months of the corner, including June , we did not achieve the the sequential norm that you would normally expect to see, right. I mean, those are sort of the elements that we're talking about now when I talk about if, if the exit rate were to be sustained, we feel pretty good about it. You know, you can run the math yourself, right. I mean, I'm simply taking where we finished in June and I'm run the quials out the rest of the year and it tells me that we would grow, if nothing else changed, based on where we exit June , and we can feel pretty good about that rate of growth. But that's how I tend to think about it.
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But through that year your gross margin dropped about three hundred basis point. The time were talked about fight rebates and competitive pricing. Just discuss different today about the business other than the fast which I think was about 50% back. Any else that' change that that would limit that kind impact under your you know day. You know, last yester ARD ING and was reflecting on that, that element with ARD, you know what what, what could happen in different scenar, what were seeing and if you to call two thousand 9, So in two thousand 8, there was the IR ount inflation and nothing today. But there was in placeation going and and when demand fell back, that that inplace in the inflation and know all the what is sixmonths of the product. If demand drops, that my seven or eight or nine month of the product.
That's helpful, Thank you.
As a follow up, I wanted the shift to.
To hiring.
Then it sounds like the conditions remain challenging. But I believe you said the the trends on applications have improved. I just wonder if that might be driven by.
Softening and hiring.
Elsewhere and you may not have a ton of visibility on that but I'd be curious if you had any thoughts and.
And to the extent we do enter a period. A recession period can you just refresh us on the philosophy on how you manage hiring and.
And uh leverage, if it or and or deleverage on employee related expenses.
In that kind of an environment.
What's really changed in our hi-ring, and it's more about our hiring in the field than it would be in our hiring and distribution or hiring, and in some of the support areas, or in transportation.
Our model for hiring is: we have relationships that we've nurtured over the years with four -year state colleges, two -year technno colleges that are in the proximity of our network.
And so if I'm in if I'm in Northern Wisconsin for example we're recruiting from University of Wisconsin o'claire University of Wisconsin stellleth which is in Mon monominey Wisconsin. We're going to U w River foalls. We're going to the I believe. It's West Central techno college and we have relationships there well if you think of what happened in in 2020.
All these kids went home and moved in with mom and dad and we doing college tech school remotely if, unless it was a trade that they were learning that required hands on, but they were doing it remotely and the 2020 to 2020 one schoolol year was well, we're remote some of the the time and were in some of the time, and it was a chaotic environment and some people just's out heck. But I'm going to say remote because I can.
The current school year that ended started last fall in 21, in 2, 2020 -two.
It was a pretty much everybody was in Class, and so I think what really changed in 2022 for us?
That moved the numbers is, all of a sudden, this young person who's going to college somewhere. I going to atttech college somewhere. They're now six months into. Hey I'm, I'm at college. They kick me out and sent me home to my parents.
I new a job and so we're finding those people in. They're applying for a jobs, we're posting. I think that's what's really moved the needle, because we haven't seen the need to move as well in our distribution center that which we would.
We haven't seen it MO as well in our transportation. I wish it would.
But the same thing with manufacturing, but I think that's what's driving it more than people not hire, hiring somewhere else has changed. I think the availability of talent has improved.
As a or the willingness of talent to work has improved more still than the opportunities have dropped off, because there's still a lot of her. It's a rare business that you go to today that has enough people and typically when I go out eat I call the restaurant first. I went up to open.
Because in this environment there's a lot of times business is shut down on different days of a week because it just doesn't if they only have 300 hours of work or a thousand hours of work this week, they're going to put it in the point that it's most useful for the employee and for the employer and their market.
And I think that's what's driving it more than anything.
Thank you, that's helpful.
I appreciate an old fect.
Thank your next question is to me from Chris knyder from ubbs. Airline is now ive.
Thank you. My's question is on on sites and specifically the lag between findings and activations. The first half of the year you guys signed 208 but activated 138. can you maybe talk about the typical lag? Has up been impacted by tight labor market so far in 2022 and any expectations for activations into the back half?
Yes it's not unusual for activations to occur, some of between between three months and six months. It's probably sort of the gap in which that that traditionally occur there're abutely is a period of time where those signings have to the bleed in. Do we believe that labor has played some role in the slowness? Yes, we do. Hopefully that's beginning to resolve itself to some degree. I will know we had a lot of implementations in the second quarter. Even So, we had a lot of signings. So we grew the backlog again and- and we do in fact, to have a record backlog of implementations to do, and so know we feel pretty good at about the degree to which the number of signings that we have, the backlog that we have in place, the degree to which that's either a bit of a hedge against any sort of downturn that plays out or an accelerant if one doesn't play over the back half of this year and into next year. We feel really good about that.
Appreciate that. So iguess, just kind of following up on you know potential tailwind, whether it's into a slowing macro or not, ice macroholity either way. Maybe you guys have have spoken in the past about a $1 million target for on site revenue. Is there any color you could provide on? You know the ramp, you know howlong it could take the dext to something like that. You know maybe any color what, what a on face typically ING to come out. I just kind of how we to think about that, try to quantify that talenge. Well, the one million. Talking about it, there's been a lot of times to use the example of a $3 thousand month customer. We think we can add 80 to $1 thousand of an incremental business and drill that to you know 110.20304 billion. Another relationship, and that 80 thousand increment is at least a million dollars later on top. You know to the point when you get it, when you're turning it on.
I think we're getting better at turning on on sites every day So that that enhances our ability to drive that quicker, but but it's still going to be dependent on the circumstanceces, and so I think that the layering event of numbers that we've historically shared- I I think that still is good a proxy- is anything about what expect- and I see we're at 10, 10 o'clock centsial time- probably shouldn't taking that left. That last question are running out of time. But Chris, if you have a follow up, appe for to give me or holding a call and for everybody else. Thank you again for participating in the call today and ok, have a successful Q3 in the rest of the year. Thank, that would.
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