Q2 2022 Calix Inc Earnings Call
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It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Jim Fanucchi of Darrow Associates. Sir. Please go ahead.
Thank you operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our second quarter 2022 of earnings call today on the call, Alex Chairman and CEO, Carl Russo Chief Financial Officer for a single, our President and Chief operating Officer, Michael We.
As a reminder, yesterday after the market closed college distributed its letter to stockholders in the news release, and 8-K filing and posted in the Investor Relations section of the Calix website.
This conference call will be available for webcast replay in the Investor Relations section of the Calix website before I turn the call over to Carl for his brief opening remarks, I want to remind you that on this fall we will refer to forward looking statements, which include all statements. The company will make about its future financial operating performance growth strategy.
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With that I will now turn the call over to Carl Carl.
Thank you Jim.
Robust demand continued in our second quarter, which resulted in a 9% sequential increase in revenue.
More than 80% of our bookings.
I'm from our all platform software associated systems.
Services.
This is up from 70% just last quarter.
The sequential growth was driven by the Sps that are providing broadband as a service.
Rather than just a dumb pipe.
And we expect this trend to continue.
A 77% year over year increase in revenue performance obligations, which is further evidence that our DSP customers are winning in their markets and growing their subscriber share.
Furthermore, we see evidence that our most aggressive DSP customers are using the recent economic slowdown as an opportunity to gain share by delivering an exceptional subscriber experience to those who have never received one.
On the supply front, the calix team again, outperform which helped us achieve better than expected results in the quarter.
Furthermore, it raises our visibility, allowing us to forecast year over year revenue growth.
Roughly 25% for the third quarter.
While we expect the supply chain challenges to continue for the foreseeable future.
Our confidence is growing that we can exceed our revenue growth model share at our 2022 investor day held in February.
Our operational and financial performance in this uncertain market has been exceptional.
Our profitable.
Our balance sheet is strong.
So suddenly generate cash and we expect this trend to continue.
Based on our expected performance, we are confident we will create significant shareholder value over the long term.
However in the near term.
The market downturn has presented us with an opportunity to purchase our own shares.
That and our board of directors has authorized a one year repurchase plan, allowing us to invest up to $100 million.
Our common stock on an opportunistic basis.
In closing the enormous secular opportunity we are capitalizing on grows every day.
The calix team is committed to executing with excellence to help our customers simplify their businesses.
Excites their subscribers and grow their value.
With that let's see.
I open the call for questions.
Daryl.
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Hi, guys. Thanks, very much and congratulations on all the traction in the business both on the hardware side and the software side I guess I wanted to ask about the progress with X O S. E X O S. Obviously those are attached to hardware sales but.
Lots and lots of growth here I know you guys had been working to move EXL as a perpetual software license model to a subscription model.
I think that transition started about a year ago can you kind of walk us through like where you are in that transition.
I'd Love to know what you know what the mix of.
New wins would look like in terms of subscription versus perpetual software license.
And I think on the extra west side, you're also looking at making that transition.
Can you talk about where you are in terms of progress there and then maybe tie in some of the revenue growth rates Youre seeing on X O S. N E X O S. I think you said, 129% in.
Year on year on E X O S and 73% and a X O S.
Kind of walk through that transition thanks, a lot.
Thanks, George for the question the transition.
It's pretty simple with our revenue edge offerings.
Almost all the yeah. So today isn't a subscription form.
With our <unk> offerings, and it's still a license.
Operating system.
So it is literally a 100% on one zero first time on the other to answer your question.
Correctly as for progress.
There's a number of examples.
But let's just say that obviously and so as it's tied to network investment.
What you are seeing more and more investments going into the network and fiber and X gene as Bob.
And obviously on the revenue side, you know that we're focused on.
On what's going on with our customers and their success, Michael maybe you've got an example, or two you want to share on the revenue side as an example.
I'm actually going to tie the two together.
We reached a tipping point, where we're finding them broadband service providers, who are looking at the different technologies are now looking to calix for a complete end to end.
Because of the fact that we tie the two together we tightened our belt.
For example for IC entrust to elevate and speed their business.
By looking to Calix for an end to end solution, which covers everything you do on the network to what they're doing on Prem and then tying it together with our product.
Operations and everything we're doing from marketing.
So that's really the big pivot point for us and that's why you're seeing that growth because they're seeing the value.
Like never before.
Okay.
Got it and then I guess I'd also ask about.
Progress on the the cloud modules, you mentioned operations cloud and marketing cloud I saw that <unk>.
It's jumped up about $25 million sequentially. It looks like really good progress in selling the cloud modules, maybe its coming from selling longer term contracts, but.
Just give us a sense for you know why that number seems to be inflicting in terms of the sequential improvement.
Michael why don't you take that.
Again it comes down to you as we reached a tipping point, where the promise of what we're doing in the cloud has always been that the platforms and those platforms allow us to integrate incremental solutions, which makes it even more attractive you start by buying a cloud to do one function.
Ample support for operations of our marketing and then when you looked at Calix for is how do I expand my broadband business through a wide range of ecosystem partners to ensure that I have the most robust operational and go to market solutions. This quarter, we had a park.
And if you haven't looked at Forest Park is a is a social media listing platform for parents, which has had an incredible impact on millions of children in North America with regards to cyber bullying and.
A bunch of other elements to protect them and then the second one we added a market.
On marketing cloud was our fifth social platform, which is constant contact that gives us a small or medium service provided the ability to really integrate and engaged with their customer on day to day basis. So I think that's what's really driving the class is as we pivot into this next stage of ecosystem.
Great. Okay. Thank you guys very much.
Thanks George.
Thank you our next questions come from the line of Ryan <unk> with Needham <unk> Company. Please proceed with your questions.
Hi, good morning, a nice quarter and great to see the visibility.
Driving the raise in the year for Q3 anyway could you walk us through puts and takes on the gross margin front here or are we mostly dealing with past price increases now are you seeing any relief on logistics and Expedites and you know can you comment on the kind of trend down on <unk>, which sounds like that's improving.
Thanks, a lot.
Brian Let me just shape, it and I'm going to hand, it over to Corey.
The shift in the model as we spoke going from 70% to 80% bookings, which is obviously a leading indicator.
The transformation of the business continues unrelentingly, having said that on the other side of it the supply chain continues to be just a war every day. So Corey maybe you wanted to ask the answer the puts and takes on the supply side. Thanks Ryan.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, Ryan I would characterize it when you're going through a lot of pain from a it makes you feel like things are better.
So generally across the board.
You have a general sense that things are getting better or.
But we're still in a trough in our phase <unk> you got to remember.
In order to avoid supply hiccups everybody needs to perform in your supply chain. It only takes one.
So the good news in the last 90 days, we haven't had any significant surprises so that's a plus.
But we are still seeing a D. Commence we are obviously still have extended lead times those haven't contracted any.
We're being notified of upcoming price increases at the first of the year. So that's a trend that's continuing.
On those on the logistic logistics piece, we are seeing improvements both on air and Ocean.
So that's improved over the last 91 days. So that's a that's a little bit of a bright spot, but all in all we're still a long way from solving those large problems that were identified earlier in the year, you know wherever they relate to <unk>.
Redesigns of some of our products that takes a while for it to complete so we're still working our way through it, albeit it feels better theres still a lot of work to do so let me ask you just to give Brian a little more color first quarter to second quarter numbers of each minutes did it change are.
There are fewer okay. So it's improved from a database, but they are still busy.
Helpful. Thanks. Thanks, so much if I could just do a quick follow up on the flow of subsidies. It sounds like we're seeing some nice RF allocations from the states you know how do you see ARPA playing into some of the smaller rural operators are versus the tier ones that are getting some of the headlines out there. Thanks a lot.
Yeah as we've spoken about before are.
Funds have started to flow through in the states. It's a state by state thing.
And we're definitely seeing an impact from that I don't know that I wouldn't say that it's material.
But we're seeing Mike.
Mike Glennie additional comments.
Just say our message remains the same quarter on quarter, it's for US, It's all upside and that's the government funding is slow to flow and we really see it in 'twenty three versus right now so we're seeing bits and drabs.
That's yet to come.
Helpful. Thanks, a lot.
Awesome.
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Paul Silverstein with Cowen. Please proceed with your questions.
But can you hear me.
We can.
Awesome.
Couple of questions. One your response regarding ARPA just now that also played off that you're seeing some funds, but it's a trickle.
And that should increase its 14th twenty-three and any visibility to that.
The degree of increase.
Michael you want to take that.
Hi.
You don't have visibility into the degree of increase but we have a significant direct sales organization that is very actively involved with all of our customers. So as it arrives where we're involved with them both from the cementing phase through them.
You know I'm planning for those bonds when they show up.
So not at this point, but as I stated before the growth that you're currently seeing right now is organic growth how much taking market share and growing our business with 34, new <unk> that we added this quarter and Thats all upside into 'twenty three.
And Cory returns or response regarding supply chain, what was what was the degree the quantification of the impact.
On revenue and on gross margin.
So on revenue Paul I would say is it's Neil.
Remember, we are supplying our customers to their subscriber demand.
So so we don't believe it has an impact on our revenue per se.
On the margin side, it's consistent with prior quarters.
At the gross level somewhere between 407 hundred basis points from pre pandemic levels.
But as we said before.
Important to realize that a lot of those price increases are not can actually be a reverse.
So it's kind of a moot point, that's not the that's not going to be the new normal we're not going to revert back to that level.
Hmm.
And so that gives you kind of just a sense of where it is relative to the aggregate headwinds.
Of course, just to be clear you think your gross margin, but for what is.
Ruth Simmons ice teas et cetera would have been somewhere between 54% to 57%.
Right.
And how much of that is spread in logistics that I assume you do expect to recover.
And when I say that again Paul.
How much of the impact has been freight and logistics as opposed to increase costs on some reason I suppose.
And that varies from quarter to quarter.
And so we don't I mean.
Again, the core point, we don't know what's gonna stay baked in.
And so we don't know what's going to get recovered.
As this normalizes I think its best that we do it almost retrospectively.
Because I think youre going to see a lot of vendors in the supply chain attempt.
Attempt to hold on to.
The price increases for as long as they can and they were gonna yield balance to do other things to do so.
You have your price increases.
Its impact yet or not.
What's still ahead.
Yeah. Paul then they start to buy remember, we said when we raised prices on new orders.
And so consequently.
Well, it's just small, but youll see more of it as we progress through time, so greater impact.
For [noise].
Certainly.
2023.
Now mind you.
Part of that price increase was to ensure that we maintain that 50% gross margin for the current year.
All right. So you know, we obviously have visibility into some of the P. P vs that are coming in it's also so the price increase should not be thought as a margin recovery piece.
Margin recovery piece of 2023.
Due to continued product mix as we continue to sell more software more platforms, and that's where we'll get to the 100 to 200 basis points of margin improvement next year.
And an assumption that the supply chain is no longer getting materially worse right.
Corey.
Now on top of the supply chain impact with you and everybody else have been experiencing over the last year plus.
You've now got it sounds like with some extraordinary hit over pumps deployed I mean I'm hearing other countries.
A 10% type increases in labor costs.
Average Gary.
Region, but is that what you're starting to see.
No.
No, we're not seeing that that level of wage inflation.
Are you seeing some degree of inflation that or is that already baked in.
Are you talking about on the margin line or on the Opex line.
Well I guess it would be.
Yes, it would be larger in the Opex line, but I suspect it would also be.
To some extent.
All sorts of different Cogs.
Well so on the cost side I think the answer is it's minimal.
As far as in the Opex environment, and how we're competing for talent, maybe Michael you want to spend a moment and give some color on that.
The majority of the people that we're hiring and we had another record quarter for hiring people across the company. It comes down to you speaking to them about first of all with the purpose of the company. They really really want to hear that story and so it's exciting for them. The second part of it is making.
Sure that.
Everything that we do as a culture is representative properly and we're fortunate that in this quarter. We won several other awards fortune for the first time recognized us with workplace awards for.
Our Bay area and the best place to work for millennials.
And then we won four additional awards from comparably, which we're super proud of because of the fact that those are based upon the interviews and the feedback from our employees and we won four career grows which is incredibly important for someone who is considering a change diversity women and our leadership team and so all of those come into it.
Play much more than compensation compensation, the department sure, but it's actually about am I going to semi with a purpose and that is something that are our new employees are really gravitating towards.
So Michael did you just say that inflation is not meaningful yet.
Sure.
In terms of labor cost.
It's not like.
One last question on pulp.
The other was in the Q1 last quick question I appreciate the sounds like you've got your hands full with the men in the U S.
You to focus your investments on addressing that U S demand I assume.
That's what is it that you haven't yet.
Toward meaningful investment into <unk>.
Outside of the U S U K, and Europe et cetera, but what what's going on with respect to your non U S revenue to that.
So I think you attributed to specific customers, but can you give us any more insight.
Hum.
I hear your group.
Premise is correct.
And so our focus is on North America.
The team in international has been focused on our platform business going forward.
But it is not an area, where we are pouring resources into it. So it's still very opportunistic and it will move around accordingly quarter.
Quarter on quarter.
Carl there that you don't have given the level of demand in the U S. You don't have a view yet as to when you will have the resources to invest more overseas.
I'm not at this time keep in mind that as we stated last quarter we did.
Take our first cloud offerings into the U K.
So that is the only news to report there.
It was 91 days ago.
And regarding city Farber specific we'd be announcement, the other day, but there's a lot to do with Nokia.
For 10 gig.
<expletive> upgrade starting in April 2023, any incremental insight you could offer on that obviously, that's a big deployment plan.
Deployment.
Well.
Yeah, I mean, I think from there start they've always wanted to be a dual vendor.
Just for years never got around to it and I think they're finally getting around to it but Michael if I got that right yes.
There you go.
That's the shortest answer I've gotten for Michael since we've worked together.
Thanks, guys appreciate it.
Thanks, Paul.
Yeah.
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I'll also give my congrats on great execution.
Had one.
Question that hasn't been asked the two large customers that you highlighted that kind of drove the large customer base up you know I know from a percentage of revenue the same but up 14% are those you know your.
Historical large customers.
And in the follow up on that is there anything do work dynamic that's going on that's creating that demand or is that just the capex cycle of those companies.
Yeah, it's literally quarter to quarter noise, and I don't mean that as a in the deleterious sense. Its just simply in any given quarter depending upon timing.
As you look forward Christian Michael spoke earlier about brain speed that will be something that will become.
A part of this as we look into 2020 three but they have as yet not closed their spin off.
Okay, great no other questions. Thanks, guys.
Thank you Christian.
Thank you our next questions come from the line of Tim Savagery with Northland Capital markets. Please proceed with your questions.
Okay.
Hi, good morning, and congrats on the good results and and maybe that's where all our where I'll start chrome. If we can update you know a couple of topics.
That were discussed last quarter.
And get your current views and the results speak to this to some degree but.
I guess the overall topic is calix is performance relative to a weakening macro environment doesn't really seem to be having an impact yet and I think you had some comments on that last quarter and.
And secondly, and I don't know that we're seeing this right now but.
The potential benefits.
Well from a supply and availability and maybe even pricing standpoint.
Weakening demand in places like consumer and auto Tech.
In terms of its impact on you know.
More favorable supply environment.
I mean, the communications technology World is that you know demand remained strong are you starting to see anything.
Along those lines kind of seeing that out of Corning, a little bit this morning, with the display versus optical com, but I'd be interested in your comments or updated comments on both topics I have a follow up okay. So Amit first of all Tim I'm going to take them in reverse order I'm going to ask Korean Michael to add color, but before I do I do.
Offer our congratulations to our offer operator, Daryl who I believe is a rare amongst the group and pronouncing your last name correctly. This time.
I thought that was noteworthy impressive that was impressive but as a hobby.
Uh huh.
Did I did end up on the independent bank call to start here.
First thing I don't know if anybody else Smith.
Well I, just I want to point out that it was pronounced correctly.
All all Jocularity aside.
So your question about.
Slackening of demand in the consumer side bleeding over into availability for for components that we might see in networking silicon.
This is something that we're continuing to look at.
As you understand lead times to the extent that that occurs it will take a couple of quarters.
My comment on this is I think in my chats with folks that I know in the industry.
But we are seeing the early signs that that will happen in the future.
It is not affecting us.
Yes.
So let me just stop there corie anything you want to add to that.
That's about right.
Seeing some evidence not a lot at this point.
So I think that's right, but I do think you know I don't I would almost encourage you to ask the same question in 91 days and see if we have more visibility into that I do believe there is an opportunity for that to occur if consumer demand continues to slack and it just takes a while for that freeing up of wafers.
That'd be redirected to silicon that we might use hopefully that makes sense to you.
On the on the weakening macro side with our service providers.
Our BSP is as you heard in my prepared comments.
From our perspective.
This is their opportunity to take advantage.
As you know the BSD as its core platforms.
Are the hallmark of an outstanding subscriber experience with no churn that sets them up to take share and I'll say no more Michael maybe you have an example, or two of that going on that you might want a relief from our customers. We're seeing incredible growth from across the board from our broadband service providers, we press releases.
Quarter, Oh, GTC right, 25% year on year growth.
And then with the revenue.
And now I've said Sheridan Valeant allo have gone all in on the revenue.
With protect IQ and experienced <unk> to strengthen their.
Strengthening their offerings and that's having a huge impact on MTS allo right now has an NPS of 71, an NPS of 71 is cultish.
And again, a lot of it at significantly higher than Apple event, and what's that doing is driving significant growth. So across the board, we're seeing our customers who deploy our platforms.
Winning so their take rates in their footprint go up and they also have cash flow to go overbuild other areas. So we're continuing to see that.
And in a downturn as you know winter is separate from losers in our BSD is our winters.
And so we're we're very happy to be in the boat and help them win.
Alright.
Good set up for my follow up as well, which has to do with Oh.
I guess end market growth versus.
Calix growth so you've seen.
Or what you're guiding to pretty nice acceleration in growth throughout the year.
At a high level kind of 15 2025 per cent.
I guess, how much of that is kind of specific to the.
Quarter to quarter variations in your business or to what extent can you point to accelerating and market growth.
I mean, I know, you're taking share, but maybe you concurrent discern between those two factors and.
When do you expect that to continue them in terms of accelerating growth or if you can.
You know maybe take a stab at an overall market growth rate right now and where you expect that to go.
Yeah, we don't I don't think in terms of market growth rates, we're focused on subscribers and helping our DSP to succeed but let me just take the two dimensions. The way I think about your question I'm going to ask Michael to add some color.
Ours is a land and expand model that you've heard Michael speak to the to the platform model.
So in the quarter that we added 34, new customers on top of last quarter, adding 33, new customers. So the land apart is a relentless focus on what we're doing we always want to be landing new customers that being said our growth is always going to be dominated by the expansion of our existing customers and working with them.
To succeed Michel maybe you've got some examples to talk to you around expansion in customer success. It's all yours sure. If I go back to where we were six years ago. We were in access company and we are dominating in the network component, but now with everything that we're doing on the premise side, we have the ability to <unk>.
And back to my point on ecosystems work with these DSP not only in their ability to acquire new customers, which they're using marketing cloud and all of our behavioral insights to do it in a highly effective level, but then also add incremental services on top of it that will allow them to grow their revenue per subscriber.
So no I don't want I mean, as Carl stated are we expanding by all these new broadband service providers selecting us and to add because we give them the lowest operating cost and the highest opportunity for success of subscribers. Once we're in that account, we're expanding radically and this won't stop it is our goal on a quarterly basis through this new service.
They can monetize over and over again to constantly expand our addressable market inside the customers. So we would say it doesn't stop.
Got it thanks very much.
Thanks, Tim.
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Good morning, Thank you for taking my question.
Hum.
Most of my questions have already been answered.
So let me ask you a big picture question.
Uh huh.
Telecom has historically been a very cyclical business.
Largest customers tend to invest in Capex and then after the investment teams the.
I'll go through a prolonged period of.
And you feel better about their kind of maximize the return on their capex investments.
Historically companies that your peers have said that you know that's true, but all the customers are upgrading at different times. So it gives them and let them be smoother revenue trajectory.
But COVID-19 seems to have disappeared everything everybody's now force, albeit at the same time.
Seamless funds because everybody is chasing is forcing everybody to update essentially at the same time. So we kind of have the super cycle, and then maybe followed by a deep nuclear winter.
How are you thinking about your competitive position I know you said about land and expand and you seem to be investing a lot in that portion of it but how long do you sustain that met our investment cycle.
Assuming that there is a potential prolonged nuclear winter following this massive investment phase.
Yeah. So why don't you just highlighted.
Is the correct statement for for 60 years.
The service provider space.
And the reason, it's the way to think about the service provider space, it's because you're focusing on.
The service provider space being a pipe infrastructure business.
And what we are doing is two things obviously, we built networks.
The services that we are so focused on in our customers' success. When you hear us say simplified your businesses.
Savior subscribers, the exciting or subscribers is all about the services layer.
Which is an unrelenting go forward business model that we're focused on from time to time they'll be stimulus money they'll be capex. So those are things that in essence, our investments in period.
We're focused on the ongoing success of our customers with their subscribers.
And so the Capex investment that you've heard me speak to this for many years now is.
Is nice.
It's where we began not where our revenue happens.
In period Capex.
Is it sort of the ante to the game, we're focused on the subscriber experience or customer success growing their revenues, so actually our whole business model as you heard Michael earlier St organically Isabel.
It's about the ongoing every day revenue success cost reduction of our customers.
Underneath that there are capex investments that go on.
So if it was calix one dot O.
Then your question would be 100% correct.
And what we are doing today, it's almost irrelevant.
Called My My My question was really about you already back in the cycle. So we're investing in sales and marketing and R&D as you're trying to land new customers.
What I'm trying to get.
That formula.
If it is not entitled to somebody New customers, then how should we be thinking about good intensity of our opex.
As Arne Vanderbilt I go for both of them.
Our investment cycle, it's all tied to the services.
And therefore, you see our Opex model.
Is giving you those parameters based upon our revenue so when we say 17% to 19%.
Revenue.
We're going to continue to invest at that because we're constantly focused on expanding with our customers and expanding not only new customers, but expanding with our existing customers.
Our opex intensity will remain as per model.
And we are in that model today, they were a little low.
On G&A and just take flow on R&D.
I appreciate the answers. Thank you that was very helpful.
Yeah.
Thank you our next questions come from the line of Chris Howe with Barrington. Please proceed with your questions.
Good morning Carl.
Michael and good morning Corey.
Most of my questions here have been taken but I'll, perhaps kind of move.
Through the questions that have been asked and ask it a different way.
Okay.
Just to affirm this statement it seems like you're at a place or a phase.
Given the increasing.
Percentage of V. P T as a percentage of bookings the continuation of that trend you're at 80%.
We also have an environment a challenged environment, which is.
Hopefully at a trough and.
And will improve to some extent as we move through the duration of this year in 'twenty three although it will still remain but it seems like with the different puts and takes in the business that you're at a point.
Beyond fiscal 'twenty, two at which you can sustain.
The 100 to 200 basis points of gross margin improvement and anything.
Els that would indicate an improving environment could lead to a.
Moving towards the higher end of this range or.
We can revisit that discussion later, but is that a fair statement.
That is phrased precisely correctly in a fair statement in 2020 three.
That is what we say.
Okay.
And.
As we think about the 50% for the duration of this year.
Given the different buckets within the supply chain challenges some of which may be improvements some of which may not be improving is there any early indication that the first half of 'twenty three.
It could be a little bit better than what we expect them maybe show some sequential improvement in gross margin.
Should we still think of that as perhaps being.
More back half weighted in nature.
Okay.
Yeah. So so for the balance of 'twenty two weekend, we will reiterate that we'll be close to 50.
Right and so yeah.
Yeah, I think that's where we that's our jumping off point for next year.
I think that.
Throughout 2023, 102 hundred basis point improvement for the year will start to show up.
Slightly so I don't think it's gonna be hopefully be backend loaded I think there'll be a slight ramp it'll slightly improved throughout the year, so each quarter each quarter, there should be improvement.
Okay perfect Alright. Thank you that's all I have for right now thanks for answering my questions. Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you. Our next question is come from the line of Michael Genovese with Rosenblatt Securities. Please proceed with your questions.
Well first of all as I must have offended you somehow Carl.
Nevertheless, I will also say that you know in this series of Fireside chats here that most of the questions have been asked so I'm just gonna stick to one topic.
Do you want to quantify the new guide at all I mean, what you're saying about 10 to 15, but is does that mean 15 to 20 or it just means above 10 to 15.
Yeah. So.
First of all Mike, Let me point out that.
Cleanup hitter as a position of honor.
When the bases are loaded we're bringing up the big what.
So now let's go from there.
Directly to your question I think as we sit here today Cory I would tell you that Q4.
It's gonna look we think something like Q3.
And so if you do the math it puts us basically right at 20% year over year growth.
You'll notice that inventories are down quarter over quarter, we feel good about what's in the pipeline, but they are down quarter over quarter. So this supply work continues every hour of every day.
But I am.
Quite happy that we've arrived at a place where we can start to see 20% growth.
Year over year on the back of two years of 25% growth.
You know keep in mind that at the end of July and we're finally here.
But it is the way it's just the nature of the supply chain, so 20% year over year I think is what Cory I would say not to put words in his mouth.
What I would say, that's what Cory with that.
It makes sense well so that leaves right to my next question, which is as you said two years at about 25 here in 'twenty.
Your guidance on the tape going forward is 10 to 15 and.
More art off more ARPA and we have been coming in.
So is 10 to 15.
Correct for beyond this year or.
Well, how do you think about that.
The attendance, we have not changed your model.
And we won't change our model until we have a reason to change it and then the reason to not change it today is.
In spite of what Corie said, which is you don't want to get your head back against the wall long enough. He stops it feels like everything is funny.
Supply chain is.
Is it a relief from discomfort mode right now, we're just not in a high performance boat.
And we need a lot more visibility on the supply chain and a lot more stability to change that model today and if you watch what's happened during the year as the visibility improves.
We will let you know, but right now if you look out over six quarters and change that I'm happy that we can stand on 10 to 15 as we said as we sit here today.
Yeah.
Okay and then.
Maybe just.
One other topic then.
So.
Yeah.
Now husky.
Have you thought about I'm trying to think of numbers that you may be able to give us that.
Maybe wouldn't give away too much to your competition.
It would be helpful and I'm thinking of things like a R. R. R.
SaaS bookings SaaS growth rates I mean, I think I think the revenue performance obligations are supposed to approximate that but I'm thinking something more directly. So have you thought about things like AOR as metrics to give us.
And we thought about it sure.
Well, we do it no.
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The best proxy for what we're doing to your point and as Corey said it.
It is an incomplete metric right.
But as you've also heard us say directionally.
It gives you the best sense for what's going on.
And so I would leave you with this our sequential growth rate on revenue was 9%.
In the quarter, our sequential growth rate on Rps was double that.
And so as you definitely look at the business you get a sense for the rate of evolution.
But beyond that we will not go into effect.
Okay do you have any metrics that you want us to spend you can share I think Michael kind of touched on this a little bit but just about.
When you think about total number of cloud customers or numbers of customers, who take one cloud versus numbers of customers, who take more than one cloud product at this point.
Is there any color you can give us there.
I can we have and Congress has been asked that question and we've said that the number of customers that are deploying one cloud or more is over 800.
Mhm.
Okay, but no no breakout between one cloud and multiple clouds.
So but that data you know obviously is available in the company and you are welcome to apply for any number of jobs that we have over five.
Yeah.
Alright, well, let's leave it lets leave it on that on that note that thanks a lot.
Congratulations keep up the good work. Thanks for thanks for putting me I guess, a ninth in the order, but with such a strong rally. It's it's like the new cleanup theater I agree. Thank you.
Thanks, Mike Thanks, Mike.
Thank you we have reached the end of our question and answer session I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Fanucchi for closing comments.
Thank you Darryl College leadership welfare, just I will participate in a number of investor meetings during the third quarter information about these events, including dates and times for public webcast with management presentations will be posted in the events and presentations page of the Investor Relations section of the Calix website. Once again, thank you to.
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