Q2 2022 Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to today's Berkshire Hills Bancorp second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. My name is Elliot and I'll be coordinating your call today.
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Speaker 2: I would now like to turn the call over to Kevin Conn. The floor is yours. Please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Good morning, and thank you for joining Berkshire Bank's second quarter earnings call. My name is Kevin Conn, Investor Relations and Corporate Development Officer.
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Speaker 3: In addition, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed in this conference call. References to non-GAAP measures are only provided to assist you in understanding our results and performance trends and should not be relied on as financial measures of actual results or future projections.
Speaker 3: A comparison and reconciliation to GAAP measures is included in our news release.
Speaker 3: On the call we have Nidim Hatre, President and Chief Executive Officer of Berkureholt Bank Court, Shibidip Basou, Archief Financial Officer, Sean Gray, Archief Operating Officer, and Greg Lindin-Muth, Archief Risk Officer. And Greg Lindin-Muth, Archief Risk Officer.
Speaker 3: At this time, I'll turn the call over to our CEO , to screw past the 2010's C.J.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, everyone, and welcome once again to Berkshire's second quarter earnings call.
Speaker 4: I'll begin my remarks on slide three that captures the highlights of the quarter.
Speaker 4: Overall, this was a strong quarter with significant improvement in EPS and ROTC.
Speaker 4: Quarter over quarter and year earlier.
Speaker 4: Revenues were up 9% versus the first quarter, driven by strong net interest income growth.
Speaker 4: No one balances growth was robust and net interest margin grew significantly and those tailwinds more than offset the headwinds in feeds.
Speaker 4: Expenses for flat, quarter over quarter, and slightly lower year over year. As we continue to be disciplined on expense management, while continuing to self fund our best program.
Speaker 4: Earnings per share of 51 cents was up 19% quarter over quarter and up 17% year over year.
Speaker 4: The turn on tangible common equity improved to 8.48% and improvement of 99 basis points, quarter over quarter and 40 basis points year over year.
Speaker 4: On Capitol Front, our balance sheet remains strong.
Speaker 4: We ended the quarter with a common equity tier one ratio of 12.9% after the turning about $61 million of capital to shareholders.
Speaker 4: We have ample capital to both fund the loan growth and continue stock repurchases.
Speaker 4: Our credit matrix improved again in the second quarter and thanks to the tremendous work by Berkshire team members across front line to work out groups, our net charge-offs for the quarter were at historically low level of less than half a million dollars.
Speaker 4: On a related note, in June we announced that Moody's assigned us an investment grade issue rating of BAA3 with a positive outlook.
Speaker 4: The rating outlook is positive for both the holding company and the bank.
Speaker 4: On the best strategy front, we continue to make steady progress.
Speaker 4: We continued our optimization initiatives, including the consolidation of five branches scheduled for third quarter.
Speaker 4: Getting better before getting bigger was an important part of our strategic focus in 2021. And now, even as we've begun to grow our balance sheet in 2022, we continue to look for opportunities to improve our balance sheet mix and align it better with our core strategy.
Speaker 4: And to that extent, we've decided to stop originating firestone loans even to existing customers. Firestone loans even to existing customers.
Speaker 4: to have that portfolio run off in due course.
Speaker 4: Important to note that this is a strategic decision and not related to the performance of the portfolio, which is in fact quite strong, as non-performing loans were less than 1% of portfolio balances at the end of second quarter, loan deferrals were at zero, and we recorded net recoveries of 118,000 in the quarter. And we recorded net recoveries of 118,000 in the quarter.
Speaker 4: Similarly, the economic uncertainty, given the economic uncertainty, we will stop new originations from upstart.
Speaker 4: Important to note that our experience with Upstart has been terrific. We are pleased with the quality and demographics of the customers acquired through that partnership and the corresponding opportunity to deepen banking relationships with those customers over time.
Speaker 4: Credit performance of this portfolio is strong and life to date annualized charge-off rate on that portfolio is about 35 basis points compared to our model 4 to 5 percent annual charge-off rate.
Speaker 4: That said, we believe that given the economic uncertainty, taking a pause in numerous nations from this partnership is a prudent course of action, and it will enable our teams to focus on the coal business of the bank that represents about 98% of loans that continue to grow and perform well.
Speaker 4: On ESC strategy, we continue to improve our ESC program performance.
Speaker 4: Additionally, we became the first bank under $150 billion in assets to issue a sustainability bond through our issuance of $100 million of subordinated debt in the second quarter. Our customer experience and net promoter score part for West Strategy, we continue to make good progress.
Speaker 4: Our mobile app rating on iOS improved further to 4.7 stars this quarter and a net promoter score measured directly through JD Power showed further gains in the quarter.
Speaker 4: Slide 4 highlights the continued strength of our low-nourage nations and balances. Slide 4 highlights the continued strength of our low-nourage nations and balances.
Speaker 4: As we deported in the previous quarter, Q122 was the inflection quarter where our total loan books started to grow again after a gap of six quarters.
Speaker 4: We are pleased to see that the momentum continues with loan balances growth of 7% quarter over quarter on both average and end of period basis.
Speaker 4: Lone growth was driven by new loan nourishing nations that were up significantly year over year. Lone growth was driven by new loan nourishing nations
Speaker 4: Our strategy to invest in our bankers, customer experience, and technology is helping us win new business across the board. Finally, I'd like to thank all of our Berkshire Bank colleagues for their continued hard work and passionate commitment to our vision of becoming a high-performing, leading, socially responsible community bank.
Speaker 4: Their commitment to our strategy and dedication to our customers is what is driving our improving performance and continue progress.
Speaker 4: With that, I will turn the call over to Shubhadeep to discuss our financials in more detail. Shubhadeep? Shubhadeep?
Speaker 4: Thank you, Nathan.
Speaker 4: Slide 5 shows our quarterly income statement.
Speaker 4: Please see the appendix for reconciliation of GAAP and adjusted financials.
Speaker 4: My comments will be on an adjusted basis and not gap.
Speaker 4: Revenings were at 9% quarter of a quarter and up 1% year over year. Revenings were at 9% quarter of a quarter Revenings were at 9% quarter of a quarter
Speaker 4: Net interest income grew 18% sequentially, given strong loan growth, increased atherioles, and stable funding costs.
Speaker 4: Fee revenues were down 19% quarter over quarter. I'll speak to fees in more detail in a moment.
Speaker 4: Our continued expense discipline resulted in flat expenses of a quarter of a quarter and down 1% year over year.
Speaker 4: While we had a 4 million provision-benefit last quarter, we recorded a provision expense of 0 this quarter.
Speaker 4: After tax income rose, 13% and 7% quarter over quarter and year over year respectively. And year over year respectively. And year over year respectively.
Speaker 4: Our pre-tax pre-provision net revenue, PPR, grew significantly and was up 38% quarter of a quarter and up 4% year over year.
Speaker 4: We also had positive operating leverage, and the quarter of a quarter and year of year.
Speaker 4: Slide 6.
Speaker 4: Highlights, changes in our owning assets.
Speaker 4: As Nitin mentioned, we had another quarter of robust loan growth, a 7% increase in average loans with loan growth across all business lines.
Speaker 4: The commercial loan portfolio, which accounts for about 70% of our loan growth, grew 5% over quarter, with particular strength in asset-based lending.
Speaker 4: Our loan yields rose sharply with high interest rates up 38 basis points versus the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Our short-term investments in securities book was down 20% as we deployed cash into high-reelding loans.
Speaker 4: The mix shift in our balance sheet from lower yielding cash and investments to higher yielding loans is driving growth in our net interest income and name.
Speaker 4: Moving on to slide 7, it shows our average liabilities.
Speaker 4: Total deposits declined 3% and 2% quarter of a quarter and year over year respectively.
Speaker 4: However, excluding payroll deposits, which were unusually high in the first quarter, and broker deposits, are deposits for down 1% quarter, quarter and year over year.
Speaker 4: Noticeably, our cost of deposits were unchanged at 17 basis points quarter over quarter and our cost of funds increased 1 basis point versus the first quarter to 24 basis points.
Speaker 4: While our deposits cost have remained stable, we do expect deposits cost increased during the second half of the year. During the second half of the year. During the second half of the year.
Speaker 4: During the second quarter, we issued $100 million of suborn
Speaker 4: I note that in the third quarter of 2022, we plan to redeem $75 million of sub-ordinated debt with a coupon of 6.875%.
Speaker 4: Moving on to the next slide, slide 8, shows more detail on our net interest income and margin.
Speaker 4: Net interest income grew 18% quarter of a quarter driven by loan balance growth, increased asset yields, driven by the rate environment and stable funding costs.
Speaker 4: Our reported name is up 49 basis points year over year.
Speaker 4: Our NIM, adjusted for purchase loan accretion and PPP impact is up 65 basis points over the same period. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back after this.
Speaker 4: While we were pleased with our list in the NEM, we don't expect increases of similar magnitude going forward. We're going forward. We're going forward. We're going forward. We're going forward.
Speaker 4: Turning to the next slide, slide nine.
Speaker 4: We show our fee revenues, which were weaker than expected this quarter.
Speaker 4: Excluding securities gains and losses, our fee revenues were down 19%, quarter over quarter, and down 23% year over year.
Speaker 4: Excluding the impact of our insurance divestiture, fees were down 14% year over year.
Speaker 4: Loan fees and revenue were unusually low this quarter driven by low interest rate swap revenues and fair market value adjustments on the swap portfolio driven by the rising rate environment.
Speaker 4: The decline in other fees, a line item that can be lumpy, reflects a large seasonal revenue sharing agreement in the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Wealth management fees and deposit related fees showed good momentum.
Speaker 4: On slide 10, we show our expenses.
Speaker 4: Continue to expand the discipline resulted in flight expenses quarter to quarter and down 1% year over year.
Speaker 4: I would like to point out that we have kept our expenses essentially flat for the last five quarters as we continue to self-fund our best strategy.
Speaker 4: We also continue to benefit from expenses from vendor management, branch consolidation and other real estate optimization efforts which have resulted in lower occupancy and equipment expenses. Slide 11 is a summary of our asset quality metrics.
Speaker 4: Our credit quality remains strong.
Speaker 4: Non-performing loans are down 44% year-over-year and 9% sequentially.
Speaker 4: Our net charge rods drop to historically low levels of two basis points.
Speaker 4: Continuing strong credit performance.
Speaker 4: Offset by loan growth led to zero provision expenses for the quarter.
Speaker 4: Our allowance for credit losses to loans ended the quarter at 1.27% of loans.
Speaker 4: Slide 12 shows details of our capital and liquidity positions.
Speaker 4: Our Common Equity Tier 1 Capital Ratio ended the first quarter at an estimated 12.9%.
Our top priority is to deploy capital to support organic growth.
We're also biased to opportunistic stock repurchase given our low stock valuation and repurchase about $55 million of stock in the second quarter. And repurchase about $55 million of stock in the second quarter.
We also expect to grow our cash dividends over time.
I would have to point out that like many banks in the second quarter, we also recorded a negative bond mark to other comprehensive income in our equity account of about 45 million dollars on an off-tatt basis.
I'd reiterate that the OCI bond mark does not impact our regulatory capital ratios, and we expect those bonds to pull to power over time. And we expect those bonds to pull to power over time.
So in summary, a strong quarter with robust balance sheet, net interest income and net interest margin growth.
Strong capital position and even lost a continued returning capital to shareholders.
ample deposits to fund future growth, and strong credit performance and expense management.
Now, I would like to close with comments on our outlook for the rest of 2022, which is depicted on slide 13.
We will provide 2023 guidance in January .
We are clearly aware of the ongoing economic uncertainty including the impact of higher rates.
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We are not seeing a meaningful slowdown in economic activity in the markets we operate. The labour market is still quite strong and demand is still recovering from the pandemic.
We continue to close the monitor asset quality. We have a strong balance sheet, different sheeted strategies for organic growth.
continued expense discipline and multiple self-help levels.
We're focusing on things that we can control.
Consistent with our best plan,
We expect 5 to 7% average loan growth for full year 2022 versus full year 2021.
We now expect average deposits to be flagged to down 2% for full year 2022 versus full year 2021.
Also, recall that our net interest income guidance in April was for mid-single-digit growth of reported net interest income in 2021 of $291 million.
It was based on a modeled year end FETFUNS rate of 1.75%. We are now modeling to year end FETFUNS rate of 3.25%. FETFUNS rate of 3.25%.
We're also modeling deposit betas to be low near term and to be between 30 to 40% later in the rate-high cycle and expect our deposit cost to increase for the second half of 2022.
We are raising our net interest income guide on a gap basis from mid-single digit to 9 to 11% and 17 to 19% on an adjusted basis.
We expect fees to be down 10 to 15% in 22 versus adjusted 21 fees. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
I would like to remind you that 2021 was a record year for our SBA lending business, and the slow down is more than we expected.
Our Wealth Management Business is impacted by headwinds from weaker equity and fixed income markets. It can also create Meowth, spanning day andEverything is the problem …
However, both franchises remain fundamentally healthy and present long-term growth opportunities for us. Our asset quality remains strong. We expect credit provision expense to start to normalize in the second half of 2022.
We expect ACL2 loans to be in the range of 110 to 120 basis points for 2022.
We expect to continue to focus on expense discipline and expect to maintain a quarterly run rate of $68 to $70 million.
However, expenses could be lumpy and at the higher end of that range.
comments. Nathan, thanks you very on slide 14. We have our best program not start chart, which shows our progress on 5 key performance matrix.
We've just finished the first year of our three-year best journey. And as you'll see, our financial matrix, ROTC, ROA, and PP&R continue to show steady improvement compared to the baseline and are headed in the right direction towards our stated three-year goals.
Our EHE score remained in the top quartile at the 22nd percentile nationally.
We have announced our NPS score measurement process and have hired JD Power to provide us with a net award score directly through our customer service. We have announced our NPS score measurement process and have hired JD Power to provide us with a net We have announced our NPS score measurement process We have announced our NPS score measurement process We have announced our NPS score measurement process
We have seen steady improvement in the absolute net promoter score this quarter.
With an increased sample size, we hope to have a relative ranking versus New England banks at the year end of 2022.
Our strategy is driving us forward towards becoming a high performing leading socially responsible community bank in New England and beyond.
Consistent with that vision, slide 15 highlights the progress we've made in empowering community come back and some of the external recognition that we received.
Over the last eight weeks, I've had an opportunity, along with my leadership team, to participate in what we call as our best community to come back to work. Welcome back to work.
Through this tour, we visited all nine markets across five states, covering 80 cities, and meet over 80% of our employees and over 100 business customers and community partners.
It was incredibly energizing to see how engaged our bankers are in our transformation, and we are committed to continue to listen to their feedback on an ongoing basis to get better every day in providing exceptional service to our customers.
Our best community comeback program is tracking well overall. And as part of that program, our wealth management group launched our Center for Women, Wellness and Wealth to provide women with tools to support financial stability and overall wellness.
This initiative is in addition to the socially responsible investing program we launched earlier in the year in our wealth management division that has already generated over $40 million in assets under management program to date. Issuance of sustainability bond that we mentioned earlier further enhances our community comeback program.
And while all of this is creating a lot of energy internally, we're also excited about the external recognition that's coming our way. And that's coming our way. And that's coming our way. And that's coming our way.
Newsweek ranked us number nine on their list of America's most trustworthy banks in 2022.
We would also award it, community as award, for leadership in corporate social responsibility, for best community combat program.
We rank on the top 1% of all US banks for ESC in Bloomberg this year.
And while absolute ranking can change frequently, we were pleased to reach number one spot with the end of second quarter on Bloomberg.
So in summary, a strong quarter with steady progress on our best plan.
strong loan growth and net interest income and margin expansion, disciplined expense control, improved financial returns, along with solid progress on our ESD performance.
With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for questions. Elliot? Okay.
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Our first question comes from Mark Fick's given from Pfeiffer Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Hey guys, good morning and congrats on a good quarter.
Good morning, Mark. Thanks.
First question I had, I wondered how much of the payroll deposits left this quarter and how much you might expect those to return on the balance sheet in the third quarter, roughly. So I think Mark, this is Shubhadeep. If you look at our second quarter numbers, and I think the payroll deposits were unusually high. In the first quarter, I think it was around $1.7 billion. I think on a sort of...
On a normalised basis, I would put a range between $700 to $1 billion. So somewhere between $700 to $1 billion you think will flow back on the balance sheet?
Yeah, I think if you look at sort of historically where we have been, that's kind of the average balances.
Hey Mark, just to make sure I understand you correctly, will it flow back 700 to a billion? I think what Shubhadeep is saying is 700 to a billion has been an average on a quarterly basis for the last, let's say, five quarters before first quarter. We ended this quarter at 1.3. We think it's going to normalize around that 1 billion mark.
I want to make sure I understand you correctly. Will it flow back 700 to a billion? I think what Shubhadeep is saying is 700 to a billion has been an average on a quarterly basis for the last, let's say, five quarters before first quarter. We ended this quarter at 1.3. We think it's going to normalize around that 1 billion mark. Gotcha.
Okay. Secondly, on wealth management fees, they were surprisingly good this quarter. I wonder if you could share with us what assets under management are and maybe what flows look like this quarter and market depreciation of assets.
So, I think, Mark, we will look into our disclosures around access under management and potentially going to get back to you. However, I think this quarter we had good inflows and that was actually offset by weaker equity markets and fixed income markets. So, I think that speaks to the resilience of the business so far. However, on a go-forward basis, we expect weakness to persist.
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No, I think it's really just the fact that we anticipated to get those volumes to that partnership to about 3% of the total loans. And we feel just given the environment that we are in and all the provisions that we have to build along the way. 2% is the right number to cap it at and we've reached that volume. And as I said in my remarks, the performance of the portfolio is pristine. It's operating at 35 basis points of annualized loss rate.
compared to the 4 to 5% expected. So no, it's not the quality of production or partnership. It's really limiting our exposure in the environment that we are in.
Hey Mark, this is Shubhadeep. I just want to get back to you on your question around assets under management. We have 1.6 billion in assets under management for wealth.
Okay, great. And then last question, I wondered if you could share with us what the loan pipeline looks like and maybe any color on the mix would be great. Thank you. Okay.
I would say Mark, in the third quarter and pretty much the second half, we expect the volumes to slow down as compared to the first half. But the pipeline looks strong. It's not as high as it was at the end of first quarter, but it's significantly strong. And I think if we continue at the same clip, we should get to the growth numbers that should be about client and its outlook.
Thank you.
Thank you. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Mark.
Our next question comes from Billy Young from RBC. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning guys. Great quarter.
I guess I just want to follow up on the upstart loans just so I'm clear. Is the partnership of upstart terminated?
And it's entirely going forward, or are you just only originating up to 2% of loans? Is natural grain bar?? for the country?
Now we pretty much are bringing that to.
Billy, we're pretty much reaching that 2% cap in this once we clear up the pipeline. So we're going to pause our nation for the foreseeable period. We're going to pause our nation for the foreseeable period.
Okay, okay. And then on the far-strung loans, how quickly do you expect those to kind of run off the balance sheet?
We'll take about 10 to 12 quarters for it to fully run off. We're not going to originate new loans. I think at the earlier stage we are originating to accommodate existing customers. We're going to stop doing that. So I think it will go through a traditional CPR, which will take it to about 10 to 12 quarters.
Got it, got it, thanks for that. And I guess just to touch on the loan deposit ratio, there's a bigger step up this quarter, that's close to 77%, I believe your, you know, three-year target for best is about 90%. You know, if I guess if growth continues to mean good, and we, you know, we reach that 90% sooner rather than later, how does that impact management thinking on, you know, funding?
longer term. Hi, Billy. This is Shubhadeep. I think in terms of our best strategy and in terms of our balance sheet and liquid and funding, at this point, we don't anticipate any changes. I think it's good that our loan to deposit ratios increased. However, that also, if you take into account some of the payroll deposits moving out and that has impacted the loan to deposit ratio. But we remain comfortable about our capacity to find the growth in our balance sheet as targeted in best.
Got it. Got it. Okay. And final question from me. Just, I guess, more of a philosophical question, but in the last tightening cycle, your margin reached an approach to a mid 3% level. Can you maybe speak to a little bit about how much your balance sheet has changed since that cycle and what that might mean for the margin this time, this cycle? How many months have you been one other this time?
I think as outlined in our best strategy, we have a goal of 70-30 commercial consumer residential mix. In terms of our net interest margin, I would say that was impacted by three factors. Obviously, our asset sensitivity. Secondly, cash got deployed into loans. And our deposit pricing remains surprisingly sticky, which we are happy about.
I think on a go-forward basis, we don't expect a quarter of this magnitude for NIM increase. We do expect a modest NIM increase throughout the rest of the year.
Thank you.
Great. Thank you.
We now turn to Chris O'Connell from KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Morning, gentlemen. Nice quarter. How are you? Good.
Morning, gentlemen. May the score be good. Good morning, Chris.
So just wanted to start with the loan growth guidance and just confirm the 7.3 billion average for last year that includes PPP I believe. Is the growth of the 5 to 7 percent off of that 7.3 billion as an average for 2022?
Yes, Chris, hi, this is Shubhili. It's based of the $7.3 billion number. Yeah, it's based of the $7.3 billion number.
Okay, great. And then I was just hoping to get a little bit of color as to what you guys are seeing, you know, in the updated pipeline in terms of rates for the different loan categories, and I'm going to be able to do it. Thank you for that. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
Hi Chris, this show will begin. Yeah, I can give you a little bit of color in terms of the new originations that are coming in. You know, I would say commercial in the met 4% yield range. You know, more gages around, I would say 4%.
Okay, got it. And then the residential portfolio growth this quarter is still particularly strong despite the macro environment becoming a little bit more negative for that market. How are you guys seeing the split in at-growth going forward versus the commercial portfolio going to the back out there?
I crazy to begin you know in terms of our overall guidance you know we have factored in the reservoirs and I think we are monitoring it closely we are fully aware that you know in the rising environment that could potentially slow down you know like what other banks are seeing so you factored some of that in but you know if there is a change in terms of our guidance and the growth we are seeing in the book we'll come back to you guys in the next quarter
Hey Chris, if I could just add on that, I think you probably were looking at the
mix as well. I think in terms of Rezi, we will see some growth. We are also in a different state of evolution in terms of how we are growing the organic growth muscle as we talked about in the BEST program. We invested in the frontline bankers and the partnerships. So I think the book will continue to grow at a slower pace in the second half. But most importantly, the overall mix, today the commercial book is about 70%. And I think it is going to remain to be in that mid to high 60s through the year and beyond.
Okay, got it. That's helpful. And then just given the moves in the balance sheet this quarter and what you guys are seeing for your deposit outlook, where is the eventual level that you want to get cash to as a percentage of assets, earning assets given the deployment this quarter?
And how are you thinking about utilizing cash and securities to fund won't growth going forward versus the deposit flows? Hey Chris, this is Shubhari. I think standing where we are and looking at a balance sheet at this point, you are approximately cash will be like 5% of total assets. However, as the balance sheet grows, we continue to assess that number and review that on an ongoing basis.
In terms of funding our loan growth, I think looking at what we're expecting from a deposit trajectory perspective and the funding sources we have, we expect to be able to fund our balance sheet and the growth that we expect in the foreseeable future to what we have today.
Okay. And then last one for me, just a couple of questions on the screen side. One are you thinking about the concert tax line going forward? I know it's run a little bit lower in the past couple quarters than it was during the back half of last year. And then also, how much is the loan fees this quarter is dropping at the swap versus...
No drop an SBA and how are you thinking about, you know, how those rebound or how much they rebound by going forward as well? No drop an SBA and how are you thinking about, you know,
Sure. So the first part of your question was Chris could he just repeated those a bit of a song?
The Contra tax line.
The contract act fine. Uh, oh, yeah. The contract. The contract.
Right, got it. So we have a very active tax credit strategy. And I think you have seen our tax rate creep up marginally higher and you're seeing sort of lower impairments. We do expect to normalize around 19 to 200%. So that number will potentially grow as we deploy our tax credit strategy. In terms of your question around loan fees and revenues about that variance.
About $3 million of it is related to swap valuations and swap fee declines. I would split it halfway between the two of those.
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Happy to provide you. How are you doing that like the out, out, via the outlook on the environment, for maybe the swap fees or SPF fees for the back app here? Sure, so first let's talk about the SBF fees. The SBF fees actually grew marginally this quarter, but if you look on the year of a year basis, right? It was quite a bit of a decline, right? And so the SBA business, and we are not unique in that position, I think the industry is experiencing the slowdown there.
I think in the green on sales, and the premiums actually have declined, and the SBA guarantees, the guarantees that we have on those loans have fallen from 90% to 75% so that's impacting the industry as well. So, you know, we're expecting, you know, slowdowns in sort of the SBA business. Okay, great. That's all I have. Thank you.
The premiums actually have declined and the SBA guarantees, the guarantees that we have on those loans have fallen from 90% to 75%. That's impacting the industry as well. So we are expecting slowdowns in the SBA business. Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks.
Our next question comes from Rory Hunsicker from Compass Point. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Great. Hi, thanks. Good morning.
Good morning, Gloria. Super excited to hear your stopping flight. I'm thrown in. Sorry, anything. That's great. Can you just give us a refresh on the balances that upstart I had a 1 Q2 2 balance of 73 million, where was it as of 2Q?
Super excited to hear your stopping fire zone and sorry, anything, that's great. Can you just give us a refresh on the balances that upstart I had a 1 Q2 2 balance of 73 million, where was it as of QQ? It is about 152 million.
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Perfect. Okay. And then can you just refresh us on what the loan yields are running at the moment in the upstart book?
It's in the same range, Laurie, it's about 12, 12.5%.
Okay, great. Okay, and then same, same, oh, I'm sorry, charge-offs in the corridor. What we're up to charge-offs in the corridor.
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130,000 in first quarter, 100,000 second quarter, so still well below half a percent.
Got it. Okay. And then Firestone.
What are the balances there? I had that as of 167 million of one two.
What was it as of QQ? 165.
155, okay, great.
And then can you just give us a refresh on just some of the other categories that we watch if we think about...
You know, restaurants and hotels and leverage lending, do you just have those three categories? If not, I can follow up with you offline.
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Hospitality in 360.... at 360 in hospitality.
Our restaurant is 90.
And leverage lending is really de minimis, just a fraction of a percent at 66.
Okay, great. And then just in terms of the criticized in those categories, if you have that.
And, Laurie, this is Kevin. I think we've been really responsive in terms of credit data for everybody, especially, recall we did all the detail on the COVID sensitive industries. So we're happy to share exposure data, but on further credit data, I would refer you to the queue that will come out in what, 45 days or so.
Yep, okay. That works. Just on my balances, just to touch on, I think, some of the questions that Chris was asking. The RESI book... The classify turfy book of a
You added 250 million this quarter, 64% annualized, obviously not continuing at the same rate. Can you just help us think about it and then create remarkably strong same with CNI? Is that purchased or is that your team originating? Is that a combination? Is that all in footprint? Can you just help us think a little bit about those three categories in terms of how those loans actually came about because we, you know, I can't remember a time that we've seen this sort of strong growth from you guys.
Norris predominantly what we call as the retail production which is what our mortgage loan officers produce and Supported through our corresponding partner. So that's the predominant trust to wait and purchase volume will pretty much go down to zero as we get into third quarter Got it got it. Okay Buybacks very very active love seeing that how do you think about that?
Norris predominantly what we call as the retail production, which is what our mortgage loan officers produce and supported through our corresponding partner. So that's the predominant trust of it. And purchase volume will pretty much go down to zero as we get into third quarter. Got it, got it. OK. Bye-backs, very, very active. Love seeing that. How do you think about that going forward? Where are you now?
Hey Laurie, this is Shriba Deep. So as you may recall, our board authorized $140 million in buybacks. Now I think we have around 55 million remaining in that program, and we intend to execute on that. To the remainder of the year, obviously, we remain opportunistic and depending on share prices. OK. All right. And then to the debut, obviously, you had mentioned.
The $75 million subdebt that you planned to redeem in the third quarter, what about the $23 million of trust preferred? I think that was LIBOR plus 185 basis points. Is that also going to be redeemed or are you hanging on to that? At this point, we intend to hang on to it.
Okay, okay. And then the branch closures, so you're closing by that takes you down to 100. How are you thinking about branch rationalization here and coming quarters and as we look forward to 2023? I'm coming quarters and as we look forward to 2023.
Yeah, Gloria, we looked at the branch as part of the whole BEST program. And if you recall, we talked about we felt there was potential opportunity for 5 to 8 percent that we could consolidate. That roughly translated about 5 to 9 consolidations. We've announced five. We continue to look for opportunities. But our team is also looking at opportunities to enhance productivity and, you know, to see things more
kind of find different locations where we could actually get better production. So I think we're coming closer to the finish line on the objective and we announced five and there might be a couple more that might come along but then after that we're going to focus on getting more production and productivity from the centers. Okay, great. And then just kind of last question on that. The one-time charges associated with that, what are those and...
What's the geography on the branches you're closing? So are you talking about the charges to the PNL, Laurie?
Ah yeah. The non. Yes, those are mostly related securities related, you know, Mark to Marks. You know, we have one holding and then, you know, we have some other holdings related to CRA.
No, sorry, the branch closed or caught the five branches you're closing. Are you not taking any one-time charges associated with that?
At some point we will, but we don't intend to. We will have more details coming in the future.
Okay, okay. And then obviously any cross-savings there, I'm just looking at your expense guide, which is helpful, but any cross-savings from those branch closures, I assume you're filing those back into the business, we're not gonna really see a drop to the bottom line. Am I thinking about that the right way?
That's the intent, Laurie, in tune with self-funding our best program.
Okay, great.
And then just sort of one house keeping your AOCI. Do you have an actual as of June ? Do you have an actual as of June ?
In other words, the drag in terms of your tangible comment as of March 30th was 78.2 million. That doesn't happen as of June 30th.
Yeah, I think through the mark for the second quarter was $45 million or after tax basis.
You mean so 45 plus the 70? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, correct. So the end of June , I think you're looking at $121 million in cumulative marks. So, that's the end of June , I think you're looking at $121 million in cumulative marks. Thank you. Thank you.
Perfect. Okay, great. Thank you. I'll leave it there.
Perfect. Okay, great. Thank you. I'll leave it there. Thanks, Laurie.
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